Develop Bugs

New Incredible 2 User coming from Fascinate!

Just wondering what you guys think are some of the benefits aside from Development, HTC Sense, Rooting-Unrooting, Battery life!
Pretty much the pros & cons you've come to love or hate about your DInc2!
Thanks

thekylebrody said:
Just wondering what you guys think are some of the benefits aside from Development, HTC Sense, Rooting-Unrooting, Battery life!
Pretty much the pros & cons you've come to love or hate about your DInc2!
Thanks
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
pros: awesome battery life, form factor, *good* screen, sense (i like it at least), world phone, strong signal/data speeds, performance even stock is amazing for a single core phone, flashing things from one recovery and not having to odin xxx recovery to use xyz rom etc , all 3 major aosp roms available
cons: the gb root situation, screen is a step down from samoled (although not as awful as u would be lead to believe, smaller development community (but growing)

This phone is leaps and bounds better than the Fassy, for me at least.
Pros: Nearly everything about this is better than the Fassy. Except the screen of course. (That has blacker blacks than the blacks on my black coloured phone.)
Cons: The root is non-existent for OTA Gingerbread. And the Fassy was 10x smoother. But we'll see after I get root.
Sent from my ADR6350 using XDA Premium App

I came from the D1 running liquid gingerbread and oc'ed to 1Ghz. That was my favorite phone ever then my screen went out.
Pros: I like the larger screen size, it's bigger but not too big. The battery life is amazing. I do seem to have better signal and faster UL and DL speeds.
Cons: the sound isn't as loud as my D1. Not a fan of the SRS WOWHD as the only time I listen to music is in my vehicle and I don't need the SRS WOWHD. In call volume isn't as good either. At first I thought my hearing was getting worse than what it already is bit after some research others feel the volume is lower as well. And of course the GB issue. I can't wait to get s-off but right now I'm on a tight budget as I will be moving soon and my job may or may not be paying for the move so no xtc clip for this guy for about 2-3 months.
Overall though this phone is awesome. I don't think it will ever fully replace my D1 but it already comes close so we'll see.
Sent from my DINC2 in Yuma, AZ

What is the Situation with GB Root?
Can S-Off, Root, CWM only be achieved in FroYo??
Cause I'm pretty certain the Dinc2 I receive Tuesday will more than likely have GB..
Sent from my SCH-I500 using Tapatalk

I came from D1, then Inc1, X, fascinate, and now shot down for Charge and ready to Join the Dinc2 Community!
D1 Rooting was pie!
Sent from my SCH-I500 using Tapatalk

thekylebrody said:
What is the Situation with GB Root?
Can S-Off, Root, CWM only be achieved in FroYo??
Cause I'm pretty certain the Dinc2 I receive Tuesday will more than likely have GB..
Sent from my SCH-I500 using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Correct, there is no way to S-off the GB OTA yet. I just picked up the DI2 from Costco yesterday and luckily it still had froyo on it. Was rooted and rom'ed in 40 minutes.

I came from a fassy and so far I really like it. I actually really like the screen not missing the fassy screen and the thing is smooth.
Sent from my ADR6350 using XDA App

Honestly the Inc2 without root is still an amazing phone. Fantastic battery life, pretty fast. I feel it has more stock features than the Fascinate and I would definitely choose the Incredible2 over it. I'm sure they will find a way to root the Inc 2 GB soon.

Another fortunate recipient of a DINC2 from the Fassy fiasco.
I was rooted and rocking UKB2.1 on the Fassy, aside from the bloatware, I prefer the stock DIN2!
What is s-off? I understand it is required for root, but what the hell does it mean? Also, what is the xtc-clip?
Thanks! Looking forward to some DINC2 dev!

Darkpsych0 said:
Honestly the Inc2 without root is still an amazing phone. Fantastic battery life, pretty fast. I feel it has more stock features than the Fascinate and I would definitely choose the Incredible2 over it. I'm sure they will find a way to root the Inc 2 GB soon.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well it sucks that as soon as I'm leaving the Fascinate due to call sms gps & data issue's CM7 Nightlies become available for it. And the rooting aspect was cake with superoneclick and odin flashing.
Sent from my SCH-I500 using Tapatalk

It was a hassle trying to find a reliable radio for the Fascinate,having to turn voodoo on/off, getting the gps to work, etc. I found myself having to tinker the hell out of the device to get it to work properly. The inc2 is great out of box. I agree with what nitsuj said about the device.

I'm hurt stevl! No agreeing with me Q.Q lol
Sent from my Droid Incredible 2

Darkpsych0 said:
I'm hurt stevl! No agreeing with me Q.Q lol
Sent from my Droid Incredible 2
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Lol I agree with you too
sent from my inc2

[Q] Have any of you guys made it through the rooting process yet!? JW
I know ill love it stock like I did Inc1, but I need CM7 in my life!
Sent from my SCH-I500 using Tapatalk

I haven't rooted. There is no root for Gingerbread yet. I like the phone stock anyways. I think there is a signal issue with CM7 and Miui on Inc2. I could be wrong though, but thought I read that somewhere.

thekylebrody said:
[Q] Have any of you guys made it through the rooting process yet!? JW
I know ill love it stock like I did Inc1, but I need CM7 in my life!
Sent from my SCH-I500 using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Most of the Droid Inc2s now are coming out with Gingerbread preloaded and there isn't a root out unless you use a XTC clip for it. IF by chance you get it preloaded with Froyo then you're good to go.

We picked up a DI2 from Costco for $30 this last Saturday and it still had froyo on it. Was rooted and rom'ed in 40 min. Easy peasy

Just out of curiosity... I'm coming from Fascinate also. This will be the first time I've gotten a new smart phone. What is the best way to backup my apps+data and move them to the DINC2 when I get it. Will TiBu work? Is there a more simple solution. I'm really just wanting to port over my Angry Birds progress and my Memo Pad app (not the stock sammy one) that has some important information on it. What method did you guys use if any?

TiBu only works if you have root, so if you get a DI2 with GB on it TiBu will not work for you. I know there are apps on the market that will save your angry birds progress. Not sure about your other app, it may say your notes to your sdcard.

What are some expectations?

I will be getting this phone. I love everything about it. Being a developer how about we talk about some things people might be interested in coming into the SGSII. What things would you like to see being developed on this device? I would like to have a general discussion about it!
This doesn't mean I personally would be doing everything suggested but might be nice for future devs to see what people are interested in!

I would love to see some Cyanogenmod love for this device ...
But also some Stable/ Fast Roms to chose from ... that would be good enough for me
I really appreciate what you Devs do ...

Biggest thing for me would be a good solid AOSP build with working 4G, other than that I'm good.

I want to see kernel development and see how fast this thing can be over clocked.
Sent from my PC36100 using XDA App

Possibly an aosp that keeps the HD camera. Otherwise it may just be left stock w a launcher haha. Thing looks nice!

lithid-cm said:
I will be getting this phone. I love everything about it. Being a developer how about we talk about some things people might be interested in coming into the SGSII. What things would you like to see being developed on this device? I would like to have a general discussion about it!
This doesn't mean I personally would be doing everything suggested but might be nice for future devs to see what people are interested in!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
lithid, I'd like to see the full capability of this phone unlocked by a well-written kernel, modem, etc. AOSP roms are a given.

I'd love to see Carrier IQ removed in ROMs... and I'd like to see a nice solid build of Cyanogenmod 7, MIUI, and anything else developers have in mind. I really appreciate their work, and love to see the creativity that they have

Aosp with hdmi support. Mostly for the improve bluetooth stack so we can get some quality emulator action mix in with some PS controller fun. Exynos + emulator = hopefully some smooth emulations. Mostly need this to rub in the faces of Iphone users.

Cm7 and i will be content for the life of the phone
Sent from my SPH-D700 using XDA App

MIUI **** cyanogen id rather use stock touchwiz

I would like to see MIUI on it, although I love TW4.

MIUI FTW! LOL That is no surprise for those of you who know me.

Id love to see Cyanogenmod 7.?? And I can't wait to see how fast the devs can push this Xynos 1.2Ghz....can anybody else say 1.6+....I pushed my epics 1Ghz processor to 1.5 with stable results...can we get a dev guestimate on potential speed?
Sent from my rooted, suited, & booted Epic 4G #knowdat!

More unique features like the recent 8 lock screen mods and more status/notification bar controls possibly the tablet notification from CM7...maybe wishful thinking...idk
Sent from my rooted, suited, & booted Epic 4G #knowdat!

I hope Miui,CM7, and anything great gets ported to this phone. Nice custom kernels would be great as well...something that overclocks well and is stable but from the looks of it, the phone flies out of the box.
Sent from my SPH-D700 using xda premium

miui looks too much like iphone yuck
cm7 ftw!!!
My expectations are it can handle my usage patterns with no lag
Evo is lagging

I just want options. The more the better.
Sent from my SPH-D700 using xda premium

indeed
I just want this thing to be smooth through my usuage
Evo cant anymore
Last one was the hummingbird cpu in the epic

JohnCorleone said:
I hope Miui,CM7, and anything great gets ported to this phone. Nice custom kernels would be great as well...something that overclocks well and is stable but from the looks of it, the phone flies out of the box.
Sent from my SPH-D700 using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Everything he said, plus better bluetooth stack for ps3 controller!!
oh and i want the phone to make me a sammich! Guess ill have to wait for the real Androids for the last bit....

I also would LOVE to see miui on this device!! It's been way too long since I've used it I can just imagine where it is now!

[Q] Is the Galaxy Nexus any good?

Hi, Im thinking of buying a gal.... but i was wondering some stuff,
1 : Is the phone good? Does it lagg and stuff like that.
2 : Is there many custom mods?
3 : What are the Good sides and the bad
Thanks in advance
Sry for my bad english, My grammer sucks

It's good, like it better than my old Galaxy S2.
Some mods, I haven't done much to mine though besides sticking in the sim card and exploring the phone.
Good sides - It's pretty awesome.
Bad - Screen rotation's slow on some apps..that's all I have so far.
Probably should have posted in the QA section.

Get it. I'm coming from iOS. Well, still use it. But this is the only phone I would use with android on a daily basis. Yeah there are cons, but overall no regret. Customizing, this is the phone u want. I predict this phone will only get better and be supported for a long time. Good luck with your decision
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium

It's great.
But it is a dev. phone, expect some bugs.
Overall I love it, and I think it's relatively beg-free compared to my N1 when I got that one and my expectations.
It is a lovely phone.

Is the screen really bright and is the volume of notifications really loud ?

The build in speaker sucks pretty hard. You have to use apps like volume+ to be able to hear your notifications in a louder environment.
But the screen is simply awesome.
Oh, and ice cream sandwich too
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using XDA App

I came from a droid x2, and I couldn't be happier.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using XDA App

1. yes, once in a while here and there
2. dont know, i dont use custom mod
3. 4g, ok screen. bad battery life.

I came from an HTC Evo 4G.
First thing that I STILL can't get over after a weeks time is the screen! it wows me every time I turn it on!
I have gotten the phone to lag at some points but that's when I'm pushing it pretty hard. That's not too bad because once I load an over clocked kernel on it the lag should be gone for good.
overall the phone is simply amazing! I think I'll still be very happy with my purchase even after all the big 2012 models are announced in the next couple of months.
can't go wrong with a nexus!
EDIT: the phone is very snappy! when I say I've gotten it to lag, I mean it's not that often and I'm really working the phone hard to see it stutter but that was normal use with my evo even with OC and CM7.1

zeke1988 said:
1. yes, once in a while here and there
2. dont know, i dont use custom mod
3. 4g, ok screen. bad battery life.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Seriously? Ok screen? What screen is better? Btw, your Miley Cyrus profile pic makes me believe your sight ain't that great.

Signal issues and mtp are the only issues I'm having. The phone is smooth as butter. Best on the market right now.

Okay thanks going to buy it as soon as my local store got it in stock

[q] if you love your samsung epic 4g touch......

Hey guys, a while back i had the epic 4g, and it was the best phone in the world to me. The motorola photon came out and all i saw was dual core! so i jumped off the samsung epic ship and boarded the motorola photon ship......BIG MISTAKE....there wasnt anything i couldnt do with the epic 4g. Between the devs, and learning how to really have some modding fun with the epic, there wasnt really much of a limit on it. Ive been arguing with sprint for 6 months to allow me to upgrade both my lines, and they finally agreed! Ive had so many problems with the motorola photon, and the dev. department can only do so much without an unlocked bootloader...anyway, Im phone shopping now, and i wanna come back to the samsung epic family. I really like the epic touch 4g. Can you please comment on your experience with the phone? Is 4g and GPS working stable on all the roms? Im so eager and excited...I want to wait for the galaxy nexus, but ive got to take advantage of this opportunity while i have the chance, and the galaxy nexus is slightly outa hands reach...I will await your thoughts.....

This phone is awesome I just came from a nexus s and I don't miss it at all! Especially with CM9 the GPS and 4G is awesome where I live!
Sent from my SPH-D710 using xda premium

everything is working great for me and i also asked about the nexus and generally everyone agreed that it wont really offer much more then the e4gt. i think just a little bigger screen and more internal memory

It's ultimately that YMMV. I heard that the photons have better modems so they can get better signals compared to the epic 4g touch.
However, ROM development has really been kicking off. We have three main AOSP ROMS, CM 9, AOKP, and Codename Android, which are all about to be updated to Android 4.0.4 and able to record video again. All silky smooth. Make sure to not flash or wipe anything if you flash to ICS or you risk bricking.
As far as hardware, you should check if you have LTE where you live if you want to take advantage of it on the Galaxy Nexus.
Here's a thread asking a similar question
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1568211

In all honesty, this is the longest I've ever kept a phone and I've had it since it released in September. I love this phone and the devs (and contributors) here at XDA just give me new ways to enjoy my phone and make it work for me.
I'll be eyeing the new HTC and SGS3 (if it ever comes out) but it would take a lot to make me jump ship, and truly, that is saying a lot for me.

@darkfire2024, i must admit, some of my co-workers have the epic touch 4g and when they dont have any bars of service, i usually have full bars. Not that it helps to have full bars, i might beable to make a call, but i definitely dont have any 3g coverage...I live in chicago, im sure it will be months before they release lte over here. I checked that thread. Very useful, thanks for your advice.

I'd like to say this is by the best phone I've ever used. The great thing, as you pointed out, is the active devs here, they are incredible. I recently helped a co-worker with his newest Droid4; get it at least rooted anyways, and I felt even better about my phone. Great thing is you have SO many options to choose from - especially for connectivity! Maybe the EL29 modem works best on your phone and in your neighborhood. Maybe it's the FC07 or FC24 or even one of the EK versions. The point being you can find out! I've been lucky and had progressively better speeds for both 4G and 3G with each version (except one early FC; caused batter drain and got no 4G) Good luck.
Edit: forgot to add that if you do go flashing different modems, make sure to update the PRL and Profile after/between the updates! I keep coming back to the Blazer GB ROM - literally everything works and works great. I've got a couple FC24 builds I'll probably try this weekend. But we'll see. I'm sure the final offical ICS code will drop very soon; then we'll see some great crazy development.

Excellent phone. GB ROMs are perfect. ICS are good, but they do still have some issues.
Sent from the flawless Blend "Goodness" 3.1 using Tapatalk 2 Beta-4

Awesome phone
Sent from my SPH-D710 using Tapatalk

hands down best phone ive ever owned. by a football field

killaphatboy said:
Excellent phone. GB ROMs are perfect. ICS are good, but they do still have some issues.
Sent from the flawless Blend "Goodness" 3.1 using Tapatalk 2 Beta-4
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Issues u say, any bugs that are known or are they just random and intermittent?
Sent from my MB855 using xda premium

nfamisnme said:
Issues u say, any bugs that are known or are they just random and intermittent?
Sent from my MB855 using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The ICS issues are known and most have work arounds, but some of us are lucky and don't experience them. I think ICS is great, but I don't have any of the issues. Look at first few posts for known issues: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1512419
Sent from the flawless Blend "Goodness" 3.1 using Tapatalk 2 Beta-4

Success100 said:
hands down best phone ive ever owned. by a football field
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
My thoughts exactly. I have used the nexus in the verizon store and I must say the e4gt runs smoother. Samsung really hit the nail on the head with this phone it is perfect! No lag at all. Watch the video comparing the two by FlossyCarter on youtube you will see what I mean when I say the epic runs better. Like others have said this is the phone that I have owned the longest because with cell phones I am always getting sick of them after a couple weeks (Iphone) this phone has so much dev support and is just so awesome I can see myself holding on to it for another year easily!

This phone is the best I've ever had the pleasure to own and I've owned a lot (see my signature)
Sent from my SPH-D710 using xda premium

rbtrucking said:
My thoughts exactly. I have used the nexus in the verizon store and I must say the e4gt runs smoother. Samsung really hit the nail on the head with this phone it is perfect! No lag at all. Watch the video comparing the two by FlossyCarter on youtube you will see what I mean when I say the epic runs better. Like others have said this is the phone that I have owned the longest because with cell phones I am always getting sick of them after a couple weeks (Iphone) this phone has so much dev support and is just so awesome I can see myself holding on to it for another year easily!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
right! plus ICS is making it super raw lol. everytime i pick this joint up to use it im still in awe like the first day I got it. Im amazed by how powerful and advanced this thing is. Im totally satisfied with it. Never had a phone this long either, and unless the note comes to sprint, I wont be ditching it anytime soon. Not even for the GNEX which IMO is a downgrade.

the best I always fight w m friend on whos better is iPhone or my epic 4g touch

Et4g + AOSP ICS > gNex ;-)
Sent from my SPH-D710 using xda premium

If I were you I would wait about 2 weeks man! Rumor has it the Galaxy Nexus might be released on sprint April 15. Besides that phone I would just wait for the Galaxy S3 which should be out in the next 6-8 months!

I switch phones quite a bit as well but to be honest with you this phone is the best I've ever owned, and with so much dev support you never get tired of it.

Coming from the HTC Evo 3D I can say this phone blows it out the water. Love my Epic Touch
Send from my Galaxy SII Epic Touch

Phonedog review of ICS on GS2

Lolz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKHaoQ-QfrQ&list=FLLflYUVRnJN5YGTjFEzdaNA&feature=mh_lolz
The question I have is, how does the stock ICS release rate in terms of battery life and performance as compared to TDJ's and Whitehawk's releases? If its not any faster or runs longer, why bother until TDJ/WH release tweaked versions?
DK

Aarons a pretty cool dude lol battery life on the new tmo release didn't cut it for me but others reported good bat life. Give it a go and see how it flows for ya.
Sent from my SGH-T989 using xda premium

When I had my SII, ICS was cool and all but the performance and battery life just weren't as good as the GB builds. I always ended up going back to GB
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

should probably wait until TDJ releases the new version with his own kernel.

I am quite underwhelmed with the performance. Speed, smoothness, battery life, all better with GB. Not sure what they were thinking in this upgrade. Why send it something that makes the phones perform worse with no noticeable added features. Wasn't this supposed to be the upgrade to really show off the dual core processors?
Sent from my SGH-T989 using XDA

You people serious? The update literally not even been out 48 hours and you're all complaining about battery and performance? For one, that's not enough time to judge battery, two, did you really think a stock build would be some epic thing? Any one with any sense was excited for what it meant for custom ROMs.
FWIW, I ran stock until last night. That was when TDJ posted his first stock but tweaked and debloated ICS ROM from all things official. That said, the battery did just fine on tmo stock for the whole 16 or so hours that it ran on a single charge. Yeah, no tweaks, nothing crazy going on, just stock as it was installed through Kies.

bobpantsspongesquare said:
You people serious? The update literally not even been out 48 hours and you're all complaining about battery and performance? For one, that's not enough time to judge battery, two, did you really think a stock build would be some epic thing? Any one with any sense was excited for what it meant for custom ROMs.
FWIW, I ran stock until last night. That was when TDJ posted his first stock but tweaked and debloated ICS ROM from all things official. That said, the battery did just fine on tmo stock for the whole 16 or so hours that it ran on a single charge. Yeah, no tweaks, nothing crazy going on, just stock as it was installed through Kies.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Its not just the performance that is the problem. Its the fact that they have the keys to making this phone great and are paid well to do so and our amazing unpaid devs have to clean up the mess that the tmo devs left behind. I mean srsly? Releasing a stock rom with shutdown and reboot hang? WORSE battery life? i had to flash a camera fix to make it EVEN WORK. PERIOD. Idk if they even fixed wifi calling but im leaning toward no. Bottom line its pretty lackluster and our devs here are our saving grace.
sent from my t989. Mash that thanks button if I helped! giggitygiggitygiggitygiggity!

I don't understand the people on this forum sometimes, you people make my head hurt.

I wholeheartedly agree. Devs spend their time fixing more than enhancing. To anyone complaining about people complaining.
NOT EVERYONE WILL HAVE THE SAME EXPERIENCE YOU DO.
Me being one of those people. Ucle2 runs much better, smoother with 20+ hours of bat life with 3+ hours of screen on time. With the tmo release I got lag, screen glitches and battery life not even half as good as tdjs evo 7.1.
...yet there are people that have absolutely no issues. Understand that the people with no issues are the minority. Not everyone wants to mod their phone. The amount of tmo gs2 owners on this forum are the minority compared to the millions of average users without knowledge of rooting.
...how do you think ics will run on their gb equipped handsets??
Leave the minority alone unless you have helpful info on changing their experience. If not, I and the rest of the ****ed updaters don't want to hear your 2 cents.
Sent from my SGH-T989 using xda premium

RushAOZ said:
I wholeheartedly agree. Devs spend their time fixing more than enhancing. To anyone complaining about people complaining.
NOT EVERYONE WILL HAVE THE SAME EXPERIENCE YOU DO.
Me being one of those people. Ucle2 runs much better, smoother with 20+ hours of bat life with 3+ hours of screen on time. With the tmo release I got lag, screen glitches and battery life not even half as good as tdjs evo 7.1.
...yet there are people that have absolutely no issues. Understand that the people with no issues are the minority. Not everyone wants to mod their phone. The amount of tmo gs2 owners on this forum are the minority compared to the millions of average users without knowledge of rooting.
...how do you think ics will run on their gb equipped handsets??
Leave the minority alone unless you have helpful info on changing their experience. If not, I and the rest of the ****ed updaters don't want to hear your 2 cents.
Sent from my SGH-T989 using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It's not complaining about the complaining. It's shock at the naivety that a stock ROM would offer anything remotely close to what the GB customs offered let alone what the ICS customs will bring us very soon. I didn't expect anything out of TMO's ICS other than, hopefully, that tasty ICS look. TMO had other plans though so my one dream was shattered.
As for any issues with the TMO stock? I had only one. The wifi calling delay was still present for me. Aside from that, it did everything it should have. I understand as well that every experience is different but, again, the TMO release isn't the climax here. That is still to come.

bobpantsspongesquare said:
It's not complaining about the complaining. It's shock at the naivety that a stock ROM would offer anything remotely close to what the GB customs offered let alone what the ICS customs will bring us very soon. I didn't expect anything out of TMO's ICS other than, hopefully, that tasty ICS look. TMO had other plans though so my one dream was shattered.
As for any issues with the TMO stock? I had only one. The wifi calling delay was still present for me. Aside from that, it did everything it should have. I understand as well that every experience is different but, again, the TMO release isn't the climax here. That is still to come.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Of course in a month or 2 this phone will surpass anything gingerbread gave us. Can't wait!
Sent from my SGH-T989 using xda premium

Im happy with the update make sure to do a factory reset a lot issues get resolved like this. It did help to root and removed all tmobile bloat ware. Tmobile really needs stop putting useless apps on their phones
Sent from my YP-G70 using XDA

Diekrupt said:
Lolz
The question I have is, how does the stock ICS release rate in terms of battery life and performance as compared to TDJ's and Whitehawk's releases? If its not any faster or runs longer, why bother until TDJ/WH release tweaked versions?
DK
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
My g/f and I both have the t989. Her's is rooted with stock GB, and I was running Juggernaut. There was a profound difference in battery life between the two phones. So far, my battery life with Mr. X's stock/rooted ICS looks to be about the same as Juggernaut. She is running stock ICS now, but it is too soon to say how her battery compares. It should be the same, unless getting rid of the t-mo bloat makes a significant difference. I don't think it will for battery life, though.
About 2 weeks ago something happened with my phone and the Juggernaut install was corrupted. I flashed back to stock GB and I couldn't get a full 24 hours. With Juggernaut I can get about 3 days.
I really hated the t-mo version of ICS with all the bloat, but with it rooted, I used TB to freeze all the bloat away. Much cleaner phone now.
---------- Post added at 06:46 AM ---------- Previous post was at 06:30 AM ----------
rfail1988 said:
Its not just the performance that is the problem. Its the fact that they have the keys to making this phone great and are paid well to do so and our amazing unpaid devs have to clean up the mess that the tmo devs left behind. I mean srsly? Releasing a stock rom with shutdown and reboot hang? WORSE battery life? i had to flash a camera fix to make it EVEN WORK. PERIOD. Idk if they even fixed wifi calling but im leaning toward no. Bottom line its pretty lackluster and our devs here are our saving grace.
sent from my t989. Mash that thanks button if I helped! giggitygiggitygiggitygiggity!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You are thinking about this from the perspective of the phone owner and android and enthusiast. Think about it from their business perspective.
1) This is the last OS update for this phone. Their emphasis at this point is probably on the next 'latest and greatest' android phone.
2) They aren't interested in making this phone the 'best' it can be. They are simply aiming for better than adequate (that would be for your regular user grade android phone), they are aiming for above average, but not superlative. If they aimed for (and achieved) superlative, you might not be as interested in buying their next 'latest and greatest' android phone. You know "Hey, no need to upgrade now, because, with this latest update, this phone rocks."
3) Finally, judging by all the bloat, another major goal the company has set for the programmers is to develop built in apps, etc. that tempt customers into paying for additional fee based services, thus adding additional income streams.
I'm just glad that it is so relatively easy to root this phone and create custom roms for it. I'm also very thankful there is a talented community dedicated to that undertaking.