Idea of when to expect ICS for the Optimus LTE(Nitro users take a gander too!) - LG Nitro HD

Was doing my daily read up on Mobile Syrup when I came across this:
http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/12/14/a...-sensation-galaxy-sii-raider-and-optimus-lte/
With the Optimus, it says "TBD". So assuming (Just assuming) that since the SGS II is getting in April, we could be getting the "official" update sometime in May/June. Meh, who knows, could switch it up and toss it our way in January heh.

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AT&T to launch the Tilit 2 on October 6!!!!!

Finally the waiting is over
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/09/18/at-to-launch-the-tilt-2-on-october-6th-coincidence/
Updated and now says the Oct 18th
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/09/18/at-to-launch-the-tilt-2-on-october-18th/
now the ATT bashing should calm down...when this release with 6.5 out of the box and only gsm with 3.5 jack then we gonna be see some envy look from tmobile and international versioin...worth the wait
It has not been confirmed whether the AT&T version has a 3.5mm jack or not. I can't believe that whoever took that spy picture didn't think of taking a picture of the bottom! This could have been cleared up a month ago!
The waiting won't be over until that device is in my grubby mitts With so many rumored dates already floating around its hard to get excited about this, even if it was posted on BGR.
Edit: Wait, the 18th? Is Sunday a typical day for device releases?
YES!!!!
Toleraen said:
The waiting won't be over until that device is in my grubby mitts With so many rumored dates already floating around its hard to get excited about this, even if it was posted on BGR.
Edit: Wait, the 18th? Is Sunday a typical day for device releases?
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yes ATT release their new device usually on a sunday iphone and the fuze was release on sunday.
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yes ATT release their new device usually on a sunday iphone and the fuze was release on sunday.
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The FUZE came out November 11 which was a Tuesday.
I think they should release it on a Friday..
So tired of waiting on AT&T...
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So tired of waiting on AT&T...
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You aint the only 1...I hope they launch this phone already...I mean spl is ready so I will have ATT rom on it for ole...3 minutes just enough time to flash spl and flash latest NRG Rom
My question is whether the 2-year-contract price will be closer to Verizon ($200) or TMobile ($349)...
My question is, how soon til the HTC Leo will be offered by AT&T? I've been free of my contract since this past June and have been waiting for the Tilt 2, but after seeing the HTC Leo, I wish I could get a possible release date for that to see if it would be worth the wait. I understand it doesn't have a keyboard, but with a screen like that, don't really need one. http://ai.rs/2009/09/htc-leo/ and http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/...ate-is-capacitive-pictured-from-ba/#continued
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My question is, how soon til the HTC Leo will be offered by AT&T?
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Well, judging by the TP2 (announced in Feb. 09' to launch on AT&T Oct. 09') I would say about 8-9 months after it is announced at the earliest. And that's if AT&T decides to subsidize it. Personally, I'm sticking with TP2 since I have already been waiting 8 months for it to come to AT&T.
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I would say about 8-9 months after it is announced at the earliest. And that's if AT&T decides to subsidize it.
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I agree with AT&T's lack of effort to push anything that doesn't begin with the letter I and end with phone. However, the HTC Leo is further along, than the Touch Pro 2 is, when we first heard about it. There's already video of the phone being shown with WM 6.5, a gallery of pics, and detailed specs with a much better snapdragon processor. I've got to believe this phone could be available before Christmas, if not somewhere in Q1 2010. I just want to guard against purchasing the Tilt 2, which I've been waiting for the past 6 months, and all of a sudden 2 months later, this phone comes out- which clearly has much better specs all the way around.
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I agree with AT&T's lack of effort to push anything that doesn't begin with the letter I and end with phone. However, the HTC Leo is further along, than the Touch Pro 2 is, when we first heard about it. There's already video of the phone being shown with WM 6.5, a gallery of pics, and detailed specs with a much better snapdragon processor. I've got to believe this phone could be available before Christmas, if not somewhere in Q1 2010. I just want to guard against purchasing the Tilt 2, which I've been waiting for the past 6 months, and all of a sudden 2 months later, this phone comes out- which clearly has much better specs all the way around.
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Seeing as the HTC Leo hasn't hit the FCC yet (that we know of), it has next to 0% chance of being released this year in the US. At earliest I would guess early Spring 2010.
Who knows if AT&T will even release the Leo. Did you see how insanely fast that was? Almost nothing took longer than 1 second to open! Nearly everything was instant! After 3 years of the MSM7200, we can FINALLY have a decent processor. Windows Mobile will stop getting a bad rep due to the MSM7200 garbage 90% of the WinMo phones have been using.
I just talked to a few rep's in the Portland OR area and they are also saying mid October as a release for the "Tilt 2".
Release date same for entire US?
When ATT releases their phones, is the release date the same for the enitre US? The reason being is that I live in Hawaii and I don't know if that will affect the actual release date. I'd really like to know because when that day comes I'm going to be there first thing and I don't want to receive any blank stares.
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When ATT releases their phones, is the release date the same for the enitre US? The reason being is that I live in Hawaii and I don't know if that will affect the actual release date. I'd really like to know because when that day comes I'm going to be there first thing and I don't want to receive any blank stares.
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Your best bet is to call your store once the date is official and find out what they say. My guess would be its nationwide.

ICS Availability

After reading some forum posts from around here and other sites I'm starting to get really discouraged. I got this phone on December 4th, so I can return it on/before January 3rd. My other options are of course SGSII, SGSII SR, Vivid, and whatever phone pops up before now and then. Do you think I should return the Nitro for one of those options or wait and hope it gets ICS? ICS is a dealbreaker for me.
ICS.. Good news, i hope!
As per GSMArena and Bell Mobility's website, ICS will be available to its' customers confirmed, no answer though as to when. hope this clears it up a bit.
The thing with the updates is you never know. From all of the phones you listed, the likely fastest one to get the ICS update would probably be the Vivid based on HTC's speed at updating followed by the SGSII then skyrocket. Last on that list? Probably the Nitro HD. Given the things I've seen elsewhere with LG updating I wouldn't expect much, then again, you never really know with these things.
If this thing was just unlocked and able to boot into CWM recovery, it wouldn't be too hard to bribe some devs with devices to get some good ICS-based ROMs, I'm thinking. The Nexus S ICS ROMs have been pretty awesome, thus far, and that is with them still based on the 2.6.35 kernel.
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The thing with the updates is you never know. From all of the phones you listed, the likely fastest one to get the ICS update would probably be the Vivid based on HTC's speed at updating followed by the SGSII then skyrocket. Last on that list? Probably the Nitro HD. Given the things I've seen elsewhere with LG updating I wouldn't expect much, then again, you never really know with these things.
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Honestly, Samsung's gotten MUCH faster at updating.
Look at the SGS II, it already has a ICS leak, that says something.
Of all phones, I would expect the AT&TSGSII and SR to get it first, then Vivid, then Nitro, unfortunately. :/
The Thrill was supposed to have GB within a month of release. That was back in September. Then they promised October, then November...
I trust LG about as much as I trusta politician, and it's a shame because I'd LOVE to buy a Nitro but I won't because it's LG.
I won't really worry or sweat over the ICS....as long as this phone is unlocked, anything is possible, and we will have even better ROMs than vanilla ICS. Heck, we might even get CM9 support if the Devs feel it's worthy enough, and I'm sure they are eyeing the Nitro right now, just waiting for the right time. All we need is a single Dev joining us to spark the fire of interest with other Devs.
Does anybody know someone who knows the person behind CWM/Rom Manager? I forgot his name, he helped a lot over at the Atrix Forum when he released a compatible CWM for that phone. I don't mean to make it sound like harassing the guy, but maybe some of us can directly PM him and ask him nicely to help us with this phone. Just my input to speed up the possibility of making this phone even greater.
Koush, and he is working on CM9 for the NS.
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Keep in mind the update has to come from at&t.
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If your waiting for LG to update ti to ICS and then for AT&T to put its bloat on it then I'd say you'll get ICS by aug, if you wait for the Devs you'll have ICS by the end of Jan
Devs? There are no devs, yet, sin e this thing is still locked.
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Still Worth It?

So now after a few months on the market. Is this phone still worth purchasing or is there something significantly better coming along within 3 months that will blow this out of the water. If the products that are coming out are comparable I still see this as a viable option for an upgrade from the Thunderbolt (or am I insane?).
Anyways, hope to get some feedback regarding this to assist. Thanks!
Kind of hard to answer since most new phones are announced at mobile world congress which is next month. As of this second on Verizon there is nothing better. You can argue the rezound is equal with each having pros and cons but nothing is in the pipeline yet.
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staticx57 said:
Kind of hard to answer since most new phones are announced at mobile world congress which is next month. As of this second on Verizon there is nothing better. You can argue the rezound is equal with each having pros and cons but nothing is in the pipeline yet.
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This Mobile world congress convention that you mentioned. The phones that are going to be announced here will still have release dates that are months away from the actual event right? So best case those 'new' phones will be coming out ~5-6 months from now or are they actually being released to the public at this event?
If the resound is the only comparable phone, the Verizon Galaxy Nexus does indeed still sound way better (for me at least).
it depends on what your looking for, better hardware specs, pure android with great support with updates, or themed android with a lack of updates. Not saying those phones announced at CES are crappy, but if you want a phone that is guaranteed dev support/android updates then i'd recommend the Nexus. Yea they may have other phones that may beat it in hardware specs, but will those phones get the updates and the support that the nexus is and will be getting??? I seriously doubt it, not saying that they won't get support at all, but if u want the best experience of android, i'd recommend the nexus, i had the Epic 4g Touch(Galaxy S II) and i liked it, but i LOVE my nexus, it does everything i need it to, no complaints here, and the battery is great i get right at 2 days on one charge, u should get it, u won't regret it
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it depends on what your looking for, better hardware specs, pure android with great support with updates, or themed android with a lack of updates. Not saying those phones announced at CES are crappy, but if you want a phone that is guaranteed dev support/android updates then i'd recommend the Nexus. Yea they may have other phones that may beat it in hardware specs, but will those phones get the updates and the support that the nexus is and will be getting??? I seriously doubt it, not saying that they won't get support at all, but if u want the best experience of android, i'd recommend the nexus, i had the Epic 4g Touch(Galaxy S II) and i liked it, but i LOVE my nexus, it does everything i need it to, no complaints here, and the battery is great i get right at 2 days on one charge, u should get it, u won't regret it
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I am on the verge of pulling the pin and just getting it. Is the amount of development activity similar to what it was with the Nexus One (my last nexus phone)? I remember crack flashing nightly with all the goodies that were available. I took a looksey in the development forum (I will be with Verizon if I get it) and saw a few good things in there.
Are any of you guys currently running a custom ROM and if so, has the custom ROM development still in its infancy or is there some decent work being put out by all the developers (donations to custom developers are a part of the cost of the phone in my book )?
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Are any of you guys currently running a custom ROM and if so, has the custom ROM development still in its infancy or is there some decent work being put out by all the developers (donations to custom developers are a part of the cost of the phone in my book )?
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Well the difference between stock 4.0.1 and AOKP+Franco was just ridiculous.
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The Galaxy S III will probably blow the Nexus away, but who knows how long until it's released after it's announced at MWC. I don't really know the timeframes for that sort of thing.
case0 said:
The Galaxy S III will probably blow the Nexus away, but who knows how long until it's released after it's announced at MWC. I don't really know the timeframes for that sort of thing.
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If I was going to buy a phone today I would still get the Galaxy Nexus. 6 Months to a year from now will of course be a different story. If you live in the United States we always seem to wait forever for the best stuff. EU seems to be ahead of us when it comes to the latest and greatest phones.
Good Luck!
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The Galaxy S III will probably blow the Nexus away, but who knows how long until it's released after it's announced at MWC. I don't really know the timeframes for that sort of thing.
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Sure, for about 9 months. Then the GN gets Jellybean, or Jello, or whatever. Meanwhile the GS3 gets a "Value Pack" which is subsequently pulled before it's even done because Samsung wants to sell the GS4 to you. Vote with your wallet, and vote for hardware which will get 2 years of support. Even if you flash, having up-to-date drivers makes it a lot easier to build custom ROM's.
case0 said:
The Galaxy S III will probably blow the Nexus away, but who knows how long until it's released after it's announced at MWC. I don't really know the timeframes for that sort of thing.
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Since you aren't living in the United States. MWC will announce Galaxy S3 and the U.S. will get it like 8 months later because each carrier wants something to "woo" their customers with exclusive features and all these small little variants of the Galaxy S3.
By the time that all comes out, it'll be launched with a old OS and Nexus 4 will be announced.
I stay committed to only Nexus devices simply because they will last longer. Especially with a great development community.
Sometimes, the community makes the phone.

[Q] Upgrade from Hero or wait or jump ship?

I've had the hero for 2.5 years and its really showing its age (CM 6.1 and fast as far as heroes go but still). I'm thinking I should use my upgrade and get the ET4G in the interim while LTE deploys this year and then sell it around Christmas and get the next Nexus or SGS sequel (HD Screen is the big draw) around that time.
What I need to know is:
Is there a better device release date on Sprint that I can look forward to in the next month or two? (gNexus in May/June too far away)
Have there been any revisions to the ET4G hardware/Firmware since release that will affect rooting ? (very important)
Since Lightsquared's LTE network is currently FUBAR, does Sprint still have an alternate LTE development path (Clear)? There's WiMax where I work in Sacramento for the mid term but I don't want to go 2 years without LTE...
If anyone can comment on Sprint vs Tmo in Auburn/Roseville/Sacramento CA please do. ATT is out of the question and VZ still too pricey (trying to keep it mostly unlimited under $90.00)
Thanks!
Some back-story if you care to keep reading...
I actually upgraded to the ET4G in October and had it for two weeks before returning it even though I really liked the device, Sprint's network speed on it was awful (100k-500k at best where my Hero had been getting 700k-1000k+ and faster in town). The rep demo'd another ET4G side by side and it was my device that was faulty so said he would exchange it but I decided to undo the upgrade and chill.
The decision then was to jump carriers to TMo and get the SGS2 there and some 42mbps Love... but I tested that with a friends phone where I live and no dice, especially with all the buyout/restructuring talk going on (AT&Tmo fails < Dish wants Tmo < now ATT wants Dish which wants Tmo) on top of the mediocre reception (foothills above Sacramento) and complaints of many dead zones all around Sacramento/Roseville. Sprints coverage was fine in my experience.
There has been an OTA update to the E4GT since its release, and another is upcoming in the near future.
I didn't play with the original stock rom at all, so I can't comment on D/L speeds, but the first update addressed network issues. The upcoming update is removing CIQ. I can tell you the E4GT loads pages much faster than my old Hero. (My kids phone now).
As for rooting, this device was the easiest that I have ever done. If you can install drivers for your phone and have the ability to read directions, root should be no problem. Subsequent OTA updates shouldn't effect the ability to root if using ODIN.
AFAIK, no other devices are coming down the pipeline sooner than the nexus. The LG Viper is going to be a LTE phone, but no release date has been set.
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I actually upgraded from the hero to the Epic 4g Touch. From personal experience, it's an amazing upgrade. I thought the same thing; should I wait?
Were I in your position, I would wait for the Galaxy Nexus. If that isn't possible, the E4GT is a good upgrade.
As misfit0313 said, there has been an OTA since then. However, this was one of the easiest phones to root with Odin. However, if you're like me and don't have a Windows box to use with Odin, it can be a little bit of a hassle. There's a Linux tool called Heimdall that works wonderfully, though.
There have also been several modem updates to the E4GT. In my opinion, they outperform the stock modem. As far as I know, they don't affect rooting. I got my E4GT 2 months ago or so, and it was rooted in a day.
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I actually upgraded from the hero to the Epic 4g Touch. From personal experience, it's an amazing upgrade. I thought the same thing; should I wait?
Were I in your position, I would wait for the Galaxy Nexus. If that isn't possible, the E4GT is a good upgrade.
As misfit0313 said, there has been an OTA since then. However, this was one of the easiest phones to root with Odin. However, if you're like me and don't have a Windows box to use with Odin, it can be a little bit of a hassle. There's a Linux tool called Heimdall that works wonderfully, though.
There have also been several modem updates to the E4GT. In my opinion, they outperform the stock modem. As far as I know, they don't affect rooting. I got my E4GT 2 months ago or so, and it was rooted in a day.
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Same here, I made the upgrade from Hero to E4GT and love it. It's going to blow your mind how much better it is than our Hero's were. I wish Jaybob and those other guys would come this way as well. His Kernels were amazing!
I actually came from a Blackberry Curve, but before that I had an HTC Hero for Sprint. My god, I must've had the factory test dummy, because I had so many problems on that Hero. Dropped calls, soft reboots, wouldn't receive texts, it was horrible. So bad, in fact, I blamed my hate on Android. Left the Hero for a BBCurve.
Now with the E4GT, it is lightyears beyond theHero, Android actually works, and let me not even get started how much better it is than my Bbcurve.
Just sharing my Hero-hatrid story. Hated it!
I was in your shoes for the longest time as well. I had a great experience with the hero and still miss it on occasion. If you could, I would wait for hopefully the 720p phones to come to sprint. If you can't hold off and don't want to waste your upgrade option, try getting a NS4G/EVO4G used on like swappa. Those both have ICS builds and are way faster than the hero. This was one of the options I had considered, but went for the E4GT when Amazon had it for $79.99 on sale.
Also, if you've had it for 2.5 years, you might have been grandfathered with the no premium data charge like I was. But as soon as you upgrade or swap devices (even used) you'll be hit with the $10 monthly charge. Just something to keep in mind...
Thx for the replies. I was ready to to the sprint store today but then I saw the rumored sgs3 may be announced soon. I need to stop looking at my rss and just get the et4g.
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ran1mal said:
Thx for the replies. I was ready to to the sprint store today but then I saw the rumored sgs3 may be announced soon. I need to stop looking at my rss and just get the et4g.
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"announced" being one thing, "soon" being another, released in the US on a carrier altogether another.
I've stopped looking at the horizon, knowing full well that there is Always something new there.
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This is where charlie sheen would say, "winning!"
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Should I get this phone or wait?

Hi Guys,
Just sold my phone (t989) and need a replacement. Should I get the galaxy nexus now?
Is it better to wait for S3?
Just not sure...any advice would help
vomer said:
Hi Guys,
Just sold my phone (t989) and need a replacement. Should I get the galaxy nexus now?
Is it better to wait for S3?
Just not sure...any advice would help
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You really need to try it yourself to make that decision.
I have a feeling a lot of unhappy owners out there are displeased with their purchase because they relied on someone else's opinion and didn't try it themselves.
adrynalyne said:
You really need to try it yourself to make that decision.
I have a feeling a lot of unhappy owners out there are displeased with their purchase because they relied on someone else's opinion and didn't try it themselves.
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just trying to get a sense of the market/time to purchase a phone.
I know both phones would be awesome but wanted to understand if it is the right time?
My opinnion is that you should w8...if you take the decision to buy it now later you will be sad because you see the technology is still growing fast, so just w8 and you'll see
Wait for S3! It'll be much much better than nexus!
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1) The S3 doesn't even officially exist
2) If you wait for the latest and greatest then you'll be waiting forever
3) If you you're on the fence about getting a Nexus device, personally, I wouldn't.
KWKSLVR said:
1) The S3 doesn't even officially exist
2) If you wait for the latest and greatest then you'll be waiting forever
3) If you you're on the fence about getting a Nexus device, personally, I wouldn't.
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This...
The S3 has not been announced yet and when it does it'll have touchwiz of some sort. It depends on the type of phone you want. If you want a pure Google experience (which is I why I purchased this phone) a Nexus is the way to go.
There will also be some new rumored device.
Get the Galaxy Nexus. The Galaxy S3 will be announced and the U.S. will get it like six months later (okay this might be a little exaggerated) but take a look at the U.S. release date for Galaxy S2. S2 was announced way long ago and Europe has had it.
U.S. carriers want to differentiate their version of the Galaxy S3. This will take months.
By the time S3 arrives at the states, the next Nexus device will be out.
Just get the Galaxy Nexus right now and enjoy it. It's a flagship Google device and maintained by Google meaning you won't have to wait for the manufacturer.
Edit: Check it out, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_S2#Launch_and_availability
UK May 1, 2011
Canada Bell Mobility,
Virgin Mobile Canada July, 2011[22][23] Samsung Galaxy S II 4G
Canada Telus October, 2011 Samsung Galaxy S II X[citation needed]
Canada Rogers Wireless November, 2011 Samsung Galaxy S II LTE (i727R)
United States Sprint September 16, 2011 Samsung 'EPIC 4G Touch'[25]
United States AT&T November 6, 2011 Samsung Galaxy S II AT&T
United States T-Mobile October 12, 2011 Samsung Galaxy S II T-Mobile
United States U.S. Cellular March 1, 2012 Samsung Galaxy S II U.S. Cellular
Caribbean Digicel December 21, 2011 Samsung Galaxy S II Digicel
Galaxy Nexus Release Date: November 17, 2011
If your needing a new phone I say get it. This will be one of the only phones that gets the updates first and you won't be waiting a year for a simple update..
if you want a more open platform i'd go with the nexus, else the SIII might be nice as well
treypwns said:
If your needing a new phone I say get it. This will be one of the only phones that gets the updates first and you won't be waiting a year for a simple update..
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This is one of the main reasons I'm considering getting the nexus. Especially considering the radio problems that may or may not be overblown, I'm sick and tired of waiting for the other manufacturers (which I know Sammy is included, but you get my point) to get their updates out. I really want the rezound, but I don't want to be waiting for 6 months when the next release of android comes out for the Ril or whatever else is needed to be released. I just am really not sure what I want to do.
Two questions, how rampant are the bluetooth issues on the gnex? And are there any other "major" problems with it. BY may be a dealbreaker if they are bad enough, but if it's overblown then ill probably go ahead and get the gnex. I'm tired of not having fully functional ics.
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Wait for S3! It'll be much much better than nexus!
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Why are you comparing a future phone/future technology that doesn't even exist with Nexus?
You might as well say Galaxy 6 will kill any tablet and phone on the market now so wait for it!
1454 said:
Two questions, how rampant are the bluetooth issues on the gnex? And are there any other "major" problems with it. BY may be a dealbreaker if they are bad enough, but if it's overblown then ill probably go ahead and get the gnex. I'm tired of not having fully functional ics.
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Everything works well for me and I've been running stock since I bought the phone. The battery life is mediocre though but you can always get the extended battery.
I need to stress this again, you DO NOT NEED to flash any ROM to enjoy the beauty of ICS. I feel that new android users always thought they HAVE to flash a rom to get the phone working well which is NOT TRUE. At least totally not true for GNex.
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Everything works well for me and I've been running stock since I bought the phone. The battery life is mediocre though but you can always get the extended battery.
I need to stress this again, you DO NOT NEED to flash any ROM to enjoy the beauty of ICS. I feel that new android users always thought they HAVE to flash a rom to get the phone working well which is NOT TRUE. At least totally not true for GNex.
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I typically run stock and just root. Which I only do that for tethering and things of that nature. I don't really care much for themeing and things of that nature. But I really like the folder options, swype away notifications and other added features in ics. That's why I want it. I wasn't like this when gb came out, I could have cared less about it. So in that regard I'm not overly zealous on cracked flashing. Plus I hate resetting up may stuff. I just wanted to make sure I knew all the problems I might incounter before jumping in feet first.

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