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Oke, quick question guys.
I have an unbranded HTC Desire UNROOTED, haven't rooted it yet...
It came with 2.2 and fully working etc..
My following question, is it worth it to root my phone and get a ROM?
What are the benefits of using a ROM on HTC Desire...
Because I've been reading comments on different ROMs for ages now and I just can't figure out which is best and has everything working.
I want a clean ROM which I then can flash a theme on, so it probably should not be odexed. Sorry for so many questions I just want to be sure.
So basically my question is root or not root, and if root, which ROM.
Share your experiences please, thanks !
Same here, what are the disadvantages to ROMs and rooting over a stock ROM??? Just problems with changing SD cards? Stability? Bugs??
a2sd+ and ****load of space for apps is no. 1 for me.
Every rom is stable enough for heavy everyday usage, unless they are marked as experimental, beta or something along those lines.
Youll be able to install as many apps you want with a2sd+ which is better than stock FroYo a2sd as all of the apps actually go onto the sd card.
Speed is massively improved on vanilla and sense roms, which is always lovely.
Endless mods too. Youll be able to pick themes for your roms, and even make your own if youre up to it.
Hopefully that will convert you
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GANJDROID said:
Every rom is stable enough for heavy everyday usage, unless they are marked as experimental, beta or something along those lines.
Youll be able to install as many apps you want with a2sd+ which is better than stock FroYo a2sd as all of the apps actually go onto the sd card.
Speed is massively improved on vanilla and sense roms, which is always lovely.
Endless mods too. Youll be able to pick themes for your roms, and even make your own if youre up to it.
Hopefully that will convert you
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...but, if you're happy with the performance and features of the stock ROM then there's probably no need. Most of us here do it just cos we can....
Oh, and just a warning, if you do root your device and start flashing different ROMS you may not be able to stop. Has been known to cause many problems, typically with wives and girlfriends.
I have hboot version greater than 0.75 (0.93 I think) and stock UK 2.2 ROM with latest update, can I still root and flash?
i also want to root, but im waiting for unrevoked v3.2.1, however im not sure if it works with hboot 0.93 (which im also on) can someone clarify that it works or doesn't??
Thanks
cr1960 said:
...but, if you're happy with the performance and features of the stock ROM then there's probably no need. Most of us here do it just cos we can....
Oh, and just a warning, if you do root your device and start flashing different ROMS you may not be able to stop. Has been known to cause many problems, typically with wives and girlfriends.
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Thats very true, but rooting basically unlocks everything, except system access, but thats nearly done
Haha, yeah, they do get quite peeved when you pay more attention on your phone than them
As for the hboot people, I think all hboots have been rooted, you just need to search the development forum.
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I have rooted my phone and I'm happy I did it.
Just like the feeling of it that it can do more now and not be limited.
the new unrEVOked can root HBOOT 0.93 as I did it before going back to stock
I downgraded first, shouldn't make a different on how the ROM runs.
So downgrade hboot and then root and flash.
Right, but rooting messes up the OTA updates...
Rooting only affects otas if your not on an official rom.
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cr1960 said:
...but, if you're happy with the performance and features of the stock ROM then there's probably no need. Most of us here do it just cos we can....
Oh, and just a warning, if you do root your device and start flashing different ROMS you may not be able to stop. Has been known to cause many problems, typically with wives and girlfriends.
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So true.. thats why I havent rooted.... yet...
chichoko said:
So true.. thats why I havent rooted.... yet...
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LOLOL...
That´s so true, my girlfriend hates my phone...
Had it rooted for a few weeks installed 2 or 3 rom´s, a few theme mod´s....
get it back to unroot status, why?
first of all the new radio gives u less battery drains, u still have froyo with stock rom, fast and stable and most important issue of all, WARRANTY...
i already bricked on Magic 32A
MrUsta said:
Right, but rooting messes up the OTA updates...
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U can use OTA updates with root, but you need to use fake flash to enter custom recovery, if u flash the custom recovery, removing the original one, u get an error when trying to update via OTA
And why finally decided to root my phone?
1. Because I love modifying gadgets.
2. More options, more space by extension.
3. You can always go back to unroot.
4. Theme Sense or Non-Sense.
5. Backup whole ROM.
Etc..
Those are the advantages I was looking for.
And I'm happy with it and had no trouble!
The updates will be on a ROM too anyways.
Don't ROOT
If i knew it was so hard to UNROOT i wouldn't have ROOTED in the first place...!
Why do you need to unroot so badly and what is preventing you?
So any other advantages of rooting apart from increasing internal memory? For stability and productivity, what ROMs are recommend? Is class two Sandisk ok for app2sd+? Can the ext3 partition be backed up or copied to another card?
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Hi, I have the desire, and well I'm board with it, I want to mess around with different roms like miui, gingerbread extra. But I don't understand, please could someone help me with some of my questions? Thank :
1) What are the chances of breaking it through rooting, and what could happen, and would should you do it it does happen?
2) what does bricked mean, and is there away of unbricking?
1) what do you do if a bad rom breaks?
1.5) what are the chances of things going wrong?
2) Can you have more than one rom installed at a time, and switch between them, a bit like you can with launchers, and uses the same apps and data on those roms?
2.5) Is unrevoked the best way to root?
3) I you can have more than one rom, can you have a gingerbread rom, side loaded with a froyo from?
4) How do you switch between the roms?
5)Does rooting affect battery life?
6) Using unrevoked, is there anyway to unroot?
7) where do you find roms, and does the rom manager in the market allow you to install them without flashing?
8)Is there a good htc sense hd or gingerbread rom that works well?
9) With different roms increase the speed of the device, like the n1 is faster than the desire, yet they have the same hardware?
I know that a lot of questions but i am really nervousness about this and I can't seem to find todate answerers to these questions. If someone could help me with these questions I would be very great full, as I want to get more our of my device. Thanks ( I know there are a lot of rooting threads, but I really need to find out as much as i can before I undergo this, I love my desire too much to allow it to break when there was something that i could have done)
There is a remote chance (0.00000001%) of anything going wrong as long as you follow the steps to the rooting process and S-Off. If you become bricked then there is a topic on how to unbrick.
Easiest and best way to root is to using unrevoked 3.32. Make sure you download the HBoot drivers from their website. After rooting, it is also good to make your device S-Off'd. Your able to flash HBoot templates to change partition sizes and also change the splash and remove system apps and so on.
You can only have 1 rom installed at a time. You have to flash roms as well, that's how you install them and other zip files through the recovery. If a rom breaks, you can just flash it again. Installing a rom takes 5 mins, if that really.
You find roms in the Android Dev section. You can use Rom Manager but you have to pay or something.
You can have a fast rom or a "slower" rom. It depends on how it's been built and stuff but also the kernel can help to speed things up. (Speed isn't always the answer). There is no best or crappiest rom either. It's best to test many out for yourself.
Battery life again depends on the rom and the kernel.
Things To Download
To root a device
To S-Off your device
Roms and alsort of other nice things
Hope this helps you out.
Thanks very much , but do you need to install "S-Off" as I don't quite understand what it does, and which one to download and how to install it. Thanks
You don't need to install S-Off after a root. S-Off just allows you to do more things like uninstall system apps, change the splash screen, change the HBoot (not quite sure what else). If your not going to be doing them sort of things then stay away from it.
When you root, the unrevoked utility roots it and changes the recovery to ClockworkMod 2.5.1.8. That recovery allows you to boot into it and install roms through it. It has a menu and you use your optical tracker to navigate through them. That is how you install different roms.
With the roms, you need to see which one you like. I've been through almost all of them and I have one I stick to now. I can't say which is the best, that's for you to decide. The Gingerbread roms are Android 2.3 and I THINK, emphasis on the THINK, that the rest of the roms are Android 2.2.
I think at first your like, oh what if I mess things up and stuff but you won't if you follow instructions. When I first did it, I completely messed up and couldn't even boot into a rom at all and was wondering how to sort it out. I got there in the end but still. I also forgot to mention, if you want the stock rom back, you can install one of the RUU's. It will wipe everything and you will have to root again, but you will have stock.
Thanks very much , when change roms will you lose all of your apps, and data?
Yes. When your changing roms, you have to erase all data. It is a must and everything will go, apps, user data including texts and contacts, EVERYTHING!!!.
Thanks so much for all your help, i'm going to do it now, and use cyanogen mod 7 or 6.x. Thanks again
No worries. If you get stuck, just message me or something.
Completely IGNORE S-OFF if you're a n00b, it shouldn't be recommended to anyone who:
1. Doesn't know what it is
2. Doesn't actually need it
Concentrate on rooting and running a custom ROM first
Not actually true. When I S-Off'd my Desire, I didn't have a bloody clue, other than it disables all security, what it was. You eventually learn things like I did and read a little more. S-Off is a great tool to have on your phone because it gives you all the more freedom to do what ever you want with your device. I will say for all the "n00bs" out there that if you are S-Off'ing then please read it all carefully, unlike me because I could have messed it all up.
You were lucky - better to learn first, do second
I saw recently a wiped imei which made me cautious
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
Thanks for all you help, I have rooted and now have a custom rom (cm 6.1). Thanks
EddyOS said:
Completely IGNORE S-OFF if you're a n00b
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I would add that if you're a n00b, don't even try to get your device rooted!
Lothaen said:
I saw recently a wiped imei which made me cautious
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I would ask if that's even possbile. Apparently it is.
Delete the efs storage without a backup... doh
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I had a stock Desire and wouldn't move from it. Then the niggles in the current build just annoyed me enough to actually go down the root route (see what I did there? )
So I rooted and after a few mishaps along the way (make backups of everything, phone and SD card, especially if you partition it!) I am very happy with my Ginger Villain ROM. A few things still niggle (Me avatar in texts blank, phone reboots randomly to name a few), but its not as bad as it used to be. I can live without Sense as well surprisingly enough.
I also did the same for a friend, and stuck them on LeeDroid 2.3d and as they are technically challenged, it works for them sweet as.
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I had a stock Desire and wouldn't move from it. Then the niggles in the current build just annoyed me enough to actually go down the root route (see what I did there? )
So I rooted and after a few mishaps along the way (make backups of everything, phone and SD card, especially if you partition it!) I am very happy with my Ginger Villain ROM. A few things still niggle (Me avatar in texts blank, phone reboots randomly to name a few), but its not as bad as it used to be. I can live without Sense as well surprisingly enough.
I also did the same for a friend, and stuck them on LeeDroid 2.3d and as they are technically challenged, it works for them sweet as.
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Haha that made me laugh. As for your contact icon of yourself, you need to add yourself. Your own number and name and then you can add a picture. Yes it is annoying a little because Android natively doesn't have like a "contact card" for yourself.
Rooting and S-Off is the best thing I did by far
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Haha that made me laugh. As for your contact icon of yourself, you need to add yourself. Your own number and name and then you can add a picture. Yes it is annoying a little because Android natively doesn't have like a "contact card" for yourself.
Rooting and S-Off is the best thing I did by far
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bump creates a contact card for yourself...
right at the top of the phonebook called 'My Contact Card'
Lothaen said:
bump creates a contact card for yourself...
right at the top of the phonebook called 'My Contact Card'
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Odd, I don't have that, I had it in the Sense UI, not on the stock Ginger Villain ROM, unless I am missing something ...
First off, yep, I used the search but nothing did quite match the question I have...
Now, one of the main reasons I want to root my phone for, is, that I don't have (even nearly) enough space for the apps I want to use.
1. I saw a ROM floating around here which is enabling the complete installation of applications to the sd card, is this possible with every ROM or just with this specific one?
And:
2 .On the current stock ROM there already is an App2SD function, but I haven't got enough space anyway, does this improve with root access?
The second reason I want to root my Desire is, that I'd like to have 2.3 instead of 2.2, because of some features that were added.
One, actually minor but anyway, more reason for rooting for me is, that I can have a different theme (I'm getting bored of the stock one...)
3. Are this and the first one enough reasons to root your phone? Is it worth it?
Then, some more general questions about rooting:
4. I saw a few tutorials out there, which are "noob proved", is it really that simple? (I'm not complete idiot in terms of technical things, but I haven't got much expirience with android...)
5. I also saw that it is possible to "brick" your device, does this just happen when you do something completly wrong, or is it just random? How "high" is the chance of bricking your device?
6. After you rooted your device, can you "switch" ROMs quite easily or is it a kind of harder process each time?
7. Im not soo familiar with android, as I mentioned before, so, does android write the SMS and so on to the SIM card or are they saved internal? Are they getting lost while rooting?
And now over to some more personal questions:
8. What application or advantage did you root your phone for?
9. Which root apps are really making it worth rooting?
I'd be really thankfull if you could help me with this, and I appreciate each answer!
Best regards
P.S.: Sorry for my kinda bad english, but I'm not quite often using it....
1. You are talking about a feature named a2sd. If a rom supports it, it will be listed in its feature list. To use it, you have to follow the given instructions for partitioning sd card for a2sd in the roms corresponding thread.
2. That's not a2sd, it's the "froyo-style app2sd". The difference is, with the froyo one you can only move the application to sd card if the developer programmed the app for it. With a2sd, all apps you install will be automatically moved to a special partition on your sd card, namely sd-ext. You don't have and must not do anything.
You can already download gingerbread from htcdev.com:
http://htcdev.com/devcenter/downloads
3. Rooting gives you many advantages. Most important things are you can backup your apps/settings and your rom, and you can flash custom roms.
4. Of course they are. That's why they named like this.
5. If you follow all guides carefully and don't do something silly, imho the chance the phone bricks is not higher than an untouched stops working.
6. It's very easy. You do it from recovery, where you can backup your previous rom.
7. Yep, but you have to it with an extra program like sms backup & restore:
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.riteshsahu.SMSBackupRestore&feature=search_result
8. Flash custom roms, backup and restore apps/rom -> better and so awesome desire experience.
9. Most important one is imho titanium backup:
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.keramidas.TitaniumBackup&feature=search_result
i recently rooted and then unrooted and then rooted and s-off my desire trust me reading the instructions makes its sound more difficult than it is. just read carefully dont take shortcuts and ull be ok.
i rooted as i ran low on space also i like the fact i can delete system apps as i dnt use them.
you can use themes.
there are roms with data2sd or data2whatever, better than app2sd.
just read thru ask some questions of people.they will help u out. boobkmark the pages u want to use i always forget and then can never find the advice again!!!
once ur rooted used unrevoked for that. you can swap roms like there ur socks!! i and many others on here im sure swapped roms hourly let alone daily , u need to see which one fits u the best.
this is just what i no from my very limited experience others on here are much more in the know!
good luck
Use this guide
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1016084
If you follow it exactly you should not brick your phone
Switching roms is easy as long as you read the requirements for each rom, which are usually found within the first two posts on the rom thread
If you use cyanogenmod rom you can use the s2e app from market to move apps to your sd card, imho this is a very easy way to implement app2sd, I'm using this, I have heaps of apps installed and still have plenty of space left
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Read some noob guides you need more knowledge
Thank you very much for the answers!
I downloaded all of the files needed and backed up SMS and contact information and tomorrow I'll root my phone (got more time and patience....).
Just one more quick question: I bought my phone unbranded (on Amazon), so I don't need to make a "gold card", am I right?
Nascor said:
Thank you very much for the answers!
I downloaded all of the files needed and backed up SMS and contact information and tomorrow I'll root my phone (got more time and patience....).
Just one more quick question: I bought my phone unbranded (on Amazon), so I don't need to make a "gold card", am I right?
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You are right. But if I were you, I would made one even so, just in case.
A cursory warning that this rom has A2sd installed; so, one will definately want to format their sd card [and particularly /sd-ext] correctly. I recommend [for this rom] ext2 on /sd-ext not over 1.5 gigs, no swap, whatevers left or you prefer to set for fat32. Also, though written in, you might want to dl and install A2SDGUI from market; link to guide for it and Links2SD found later in thread.
This is a rebuilt nandroid backup from dsixda's Android Kitchen. Be sure to do a nandroid and do NOT flash this on any other model wildfire s [A510c ONLY]. 2.3.4 as is stock to US Cellular, added everything including busybox, A2SD, and su, If any devs would like to pull it apart and meld your kernel in, go for it. Again, make nandroid. Should have full HTC sense 2.1. Download Link2SD from market for some space savings, and don't say I didn't warn you to nandroid [three times].
Also, as with any new rom installation. I recommend doing the following in your recovery: a factory reset [which wipes your data and cache] and advanced clear dalvik cache. If you do those two things, you usually don't have any transference issues; Superwipe is also a good alternative primer for wiping.
Code:
Android OS version : 2.3.4
Device : marvelc
...
Rooted (Superuser.apk + su) : YES
Rooted (unsecured boot.img) : YES
BusyBox installed : YES
BusyBox run-parts support : YES
Apps2SD (Apps to EXT) enabled : YES
/data/app enabled : NO
Custom boot animation allowed : NO
Nano text editor installed : NO
Bash shell support : YES
/system/framework is deodexed : NO
/system/app is deodexed : NO
radio.img found : NO
ROM will wipe all data : NO
--Download Link--
Changelog:
12-13-11 got contribution of
Oldest nandroid PoGoP had (made shortly after root)
built from that.
Known Issues:
Friendstream only has HTC Twitter - no other choices
This is how it came stock; I tried to fix it, but will have to port another sense to get it right.
Thanks
So many I can't remember them all.
eoghan2t7 - for his work developing s-off [w/o xtc clip]
GotsOJ - for being the first to document his s-off experience (was very helpful).
alquez - for his work on the Unoffical CWM Recovery and port of CyanogenMod [which is where I'll be spending some development time next (kernel editing)]
dsixda - of course for his kitchen
jikantaru - lots of sense development for the Euro-side of this phone
simonsimons34 - for making Superwipe marvelc edition, once supplied w/ idea and src links
PoGoP - for contribution of files and being first tester
Works on Virgin Mobile as well
Although this will have US Cellular branding (and apps). So far everything I've tried works on VM USA too. These guys got HTC FM Radio and WiFi hotspot native and not as gunked up. Still need to test some stuff, but so far its nice. This Rom as my other one does not include radio.img; which, is probably why it works.
Rob
Tested network,sms,mms,fm radio, WiFi (and hotspot)... All working. Amended OP.
insink71 said:
This Rom as my other one does not include radio.img; which, is probably why it works.
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so does this mean that I could potentially use the other custom roms around here and just not include the radio.img file?
on a side note apart from what I just asked, any way to include data2sd with this rom so that you could use one of the sd card partitions for internal storage?? Similar to how [ROM]Wildfire S -JikantaruROM XE™|Sense2.1|DATA2SD|HighQuality & Performance 10-30-11 uses data2sd.
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xxcrashxx said:
so does this mean that I could potentially use the other custom roms around here and just not include the radio.img file?
on a side note apart from what I just asked, any way to include data2sd with this rom so that you could use one of the sd card partitions for internal storage?? Similar to how [ROM]Wildfire S -JikantaruROM XE™|Sense2.1|DATA2SD|HighQuality & Performance 10-30-11 uses data2sd.
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Probably could. Apps2sd does the same thing for me; Just download a app like Link2sd, let it flash the script [according to the partitioning of your personal sd card], reboot and voila... All apps and dalvik vm can be moved to sdcard.
Most of the other custom roms are written for GSM phones and most marvelc flashers have reported wifi, data, bt, etc not working [major flaws]. You can get calling if you backup your APN info [APN backup & restore - app on market] but no data... you won't keep the rom(s) longer than to test it... no PRL data etc [important for us CDMAers ]. Short answer... not yet. I know of one dev universalizing his rom... but as of this writing, not yet. Only mine and simonsimon's roms work for marvelc as of this writing.
Rob
yea, I'm already using link2sd, but after moving everything possible, or linking everything possible, it still only leaves me with like 20mb of internal storage. with the rom I mentioned earlier, using data2sd, it would basically install the rom directly to the sd card, and use the 2nd partition as the "internal" storage. making the internal storage around 700+mb available.
There's this one gps app that I am dying to try, just to see how good it is myself, but it tells me that theres no room to install the maps This is after the app itself is moved to the sd card, and with about 20mb available. That's part of the reason I would like to have data2sd on this device.
At least that's what I have discovered so far, btw, im still a n00b to android phones. so im not totally up to date on all the diff apps and what they all do, so please correct me if i am at a wrong assumption.
noted
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yea, I'm already using link2sd, but after moving everything possible, or linking everything possible, it still only leaves me with like 20mb of internal storage. with the rom I mentioned earlier, using data2sd, it would basically install the rom directly to the sd card, and use the 2nd partition as the "internal" storage. making the internal storage around 700+mb available.
There's this one gps app that I am dying to try, just to see how good it is myself, but it tells me that theres no room to install the maps This is after the app itself is moved to the sd card, and with about 20mb available. That's part of the reason I would like to have data2sd on this device.
At least that's what I have discovered so far, btw, im still a n00b to android phones. so im not totally up to date on all the diff apps and what they all do, so please correct me if i am at a wrong assumption.
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Don't like Google Maps eh? I have a hard time justifying adding (or even trying) an app over 10mb... Google's apk limit I think is 25mb for the market. That being said, I am working on a custom marvelc rom that I will release with option for Apps2sd or data2sd etc. flashable zip mods and release the rom without them. [this would mean your practice would be full wipe, install rom zip, install [your choice of mod] zip, etc. I might even look into this guy that wrote some roms for the G2 ILWT or something like that... he had a lil text script you could modify...[makes it all one command]. Either way, it will be a new thread when I release the custom rom. Won't be immediate either; I'm 40 and move like a turtle. I am shooting for a release before Christmas though. [looking at everything inc. compiling 2.3.5 kernel and seeing if I can get that running on our cdma's, possible sense porting [true 3.0 if it works], etc.]
The best system file size scenario you will see is with an AOSP rom [like CyanogenMod]. A couple devs are working on those type roms for the marvelc (simon[2] and alquez). I'll assist where I can, but stay out of their way. Alas, I catch myself rambling yet again.
Looked over Data2sd... It basically uses your sd card as your data partition, but most prefer DarkTremor's A2sd still. Just hard to get rolling sometimes. I did post a mini-guide on it over on the VM USA stock rom thread here.
i know this device is sort of "old hat" i have a question, the rom from this OP works well on uscc wildfire s (cdma) one thing i dont understand is how come the rom reflects "virgin mobile" carrier brand on lockscreen, and notification pull down, also in settings/network/operator name...
will someone please explain this to me.
i do not see much uscc support for this device, rightfully so. i have yet to flash a rom for a510c that reflects the uscc official "get your phone back to stock roms" am i missing something?
Well there was a uscc dev early in the game, but to answer your question, the rom probably touched my phone. I know you guys have had an update.. as has vm usa and metro. Unfortunately, going back and updating.. their could be a possibility of ten different hboots (for the three carriers, that I know of [original, htc unlock, update1, [update2-only metropcs]]). Also, the newest ones aren't as easily hackable. For uscc there would be three possible hboots, and these provide a base. If you would like to get back to stock entirely, use football's RUU. I paid for and he agreed to release these for all marvelc carriers. Otherwise, I could do something now without it touching my phone Early on, had no RUU and little way to test otherwise.
Rob
PS Thank you for letting me know. And your post counts toward interest. So far, the guy [Pogop] who shared his nandroid has pm'd me.. but I guaged interest as low; and thus match my priority for uscc specific development. But you've raised it from a 1 to a 2 If it gets to 10 it gets done right then.. but I got a list of tasks. Sadly those under 5, I have not been able to make time for despite my best efforts. If any other uscc users would like Team Blueridge attention, now would be the time to chime in with a +1
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Well there was a uscc dev early in the game, but to answer your question, the rom probably touched my phone. I know you guys have had an update.. as has vm usa and metro. Unfortunately, going back and updating.. their could be a possibility of ten different hboots (for the three carriers, that I know of [original, htc unlock, update1, [update2-only metropcs]]). Also, the newest ones aren't as easily hackable. For uscc there would be three possible hboots, and these provide a base. If you would like to get back to stock entirely, use football's RUU. I paid for and he agreed to release these for all marvelc carriers. Otherwise, I could do something now without it touching my phone Early on, had no RUU and little way to test otherwise.
Rob
PS Thank you for letting me know. And your post counts toward interest. So far, the guy [Pogop] who shared his nandroid has pm'd me.. but I guaged interest as low; and thus match my priority for uscc specific development. But you've raised it from a 1 to a 2 If it gets to 10 it gets done right then.. but I got a list of tasks. Sadly those under 5, I have not been able to make time for despite my best efforts. If any other uscc users would like Team Blueridge attention, now would be the time to chime in with a +1
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thanks for the reply back :good: i do see that you have other things going on, would like too +1 again... was thinking that perhaps you might be able to not touch the rom? its definitely a uscc rom. nandroid BU would be sweet.
Works with US Cellular A6230 Wildfire S
This ROM is working great on my US Cellular A6230 HTC Wildfire S
Nice to back to fully working ROM.. cannot find any customs that work with my model :/
Thanks very much chap..
errr... hold up....
Hold up a sec... I don't seem to be able to install market apps from Google Play...When I try the phone reboots and I get a Tell HTC notice.. anything I should know? Is there any control over Apps2SD ?
US CELLULAR WILDFIRE S a6230 Marvel C Everyting seems to work great otherwise
Fixed! Was my own fault regarding the market apps, figured it out...
safe to install OTA System Updates?
Hello,
This question refers to this ROM which I installed a week ago...
I have flashed this great, stable Stock Rom to work with my Marvelc Wildfire s, which took me forver to find and I'm very happy with. However, I have now got a notification stuck on the bar telling me there is a System Update available. My first question is; IS IT SAFE TO INSTALL THE OTA UPDATE OVER MY CURRENT ROOTED ROM? If so, is there anything I should know prior to doing that?
My second related question is; If it is not safe to install the update, or uneccessary, unimportant or just a plain nuisance, how do I get rid of the notification that will not clear and prevent them from appearing in the future?
Thanks in advance for your help!
I don't think you can update it, you don't have the original HTC recovery that came on your phone anymore...if you don't want that message to pop up go to settings-->about phone--> and somewhere in there there's an option to turn the update checker off. sorry I don't know the exact menus I've been using cyanogen since august.
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demi_fiend said:
I don't think you can update it, you don't have the original HTC recovery that came on your phone anymore...if you don't want that message to pop up go to settings-->about phone--> and somewhere in there there's an option to turn the update checker off. sorry I don't know the exact menus I've been using cyanogen since august.
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Hmmmm... can't find the option to turn off update checker anywhere... like it doesn't exist.... ?? strange isn't it?
it says "check for updates"
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I know this is prob a pita.. But there is an old VM USA thread that answers disabling the updater. Should be same or similar for uscc rom. If you have trouble finding it, I'll look up and link post (in thread)
Rob
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it says "check for updates"
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I know this is prob a pita.. But there is an old VM USA thread that answers disabling the updater. Should be same or similar for uscc rom. If you have trouble finding it, I'll look up and link post (in thread)
Rob
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demi_friend... I do NOT have that option...
insink71... If you could find that link regarding disabling the updater I would be very grateful, it's the only downside to this ROM I have...
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gryffon said:
demi_friend... I do NOT have that option...
insink71... If you could find that link regarding disabling the updater I would be very grateful, it's the only downside to this ROM I have...
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=26340613&postcount=132
Thanks!
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=26340613&postcount=132
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That link did the job great! You know I tried searching for that yesterday using keywords "ota, notices and updates" but never got that result... strange that....
Anyway, thanks Rob, I did what was instructed with no issues, hopefully it prevents those stinky updates. I don't know why I would want to update anything while I have everything just how I like it.
You may want to add "Working with the US Cellular A6230" to your description as I know many folk are looking for a 'working' rom...
Cheers!
no more USC logo on boot...
Hey... I fiddled a bit more with this and got a few apps loaded and working great... still no problems with this ROM...
Fixed OTA Updates as per insink17's instructions...
Have excellent, phone,data,gps,sms,mms etc...
removed or froze much of the remaining sytem apps that were chewing up battery/ram...
added some nice live wallpapers...
and best of all, got rid of the US Cellular bootanimationimage and can now add any boot animation I like! (Have a smart little glowing Droid on startup at present... cool!)
Thumbs Up!
Okay, silly question here:
(First of all, YES, I did a brief search through the forums for this exact question. Couldn't find an answer.)
Background: I am a ROM junkie (but a newbie, I admit). I have flashed and re-flashed EVERY ROM on this site (and others) on to my HTC Wildfire S (rooted, but S-ON). Soon, I will release a "report" with all of my findings, comparing each ROM against each other, etc.
With that, I am *quite comfortable* flashing ROMs and tweaking them afterwards. What I do not know is whether it's possible (after flashing a ROM) to subsequently go back an upgrade ONLY the Android version (from 2.3.3 to 2.3.5, for example).
I'm aware of the OTA updates that a "normal" user would be entitled to. But, with a customized ROM, it seems like I am exempt from those upgrades.
N.B.
If anyone replies: "Just find a modified ROM that runs the version of OS you need, and then flash that onto your phone!"... that is not an option (...unless it's the ONLY option!)
If you don't know, don't guess. (Sorry, but I've seen some of the "quality" answers that come back from certain users who are just trying to up their post count, I assume.)
Thanks in advance, to all those who answer.
- Anthony
It is not possible, because the system image (the OS) IS the rom. In fact, if you change anything in your system partition, you change the ROM.
there are no different memory locations for ROM and OS.
You could download an official rom that contains 2.3.5 here:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1074445
The rom is the os mate.
Thanks theq86,
So, to be clear, if I am running a custom ROM that happens to be GB 2.3.3, there is no way for me to apply a GB 2.3.5 "upgrade" (if such an animal exists)? The goal here is to leave the rest of the ROM (apk's, settings, internal data, etc.) intact.
Well... that's a tad disappointing, but thanks so much for your answer.
- Anthony
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You could download an official rom that contains 2.3.5 here:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1074445
The rom is the os mate.
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Oh yeah? And do what with it?
(Go back and read my "N.B." from my original post.)
p.s. The ROM is not the OS. You're not the first person who's said this, though.
- Anthony
Tigger31337 said:
Thanks theq86,
So, to be clear, if I am running a custom ROM that happens to be GB 2.3.3, there is no way for me to apply a GB 2.3.5 "upgrade" (if such an animal exists)? The goal here is to leave the rest of the ROM (apk's, settings, internal data, etc.) intact.
Well... that's a tad disappointing, but thanks so much for your answer.
- Anthony
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You can keep the apks and data(but not settings) if you don't wipe.But that can cause ptoblems on some roms.
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Thanks nerot, that's kinda the path I was heading down myself (install, without wipe).
The only thing is that I don't wish to install a ROM over another ROM. I was hoping to somehow sneak just a GB upgrade (into an update.zip, let's say) and then flash that through the recovery menu. That way (in theory) the only thing that gets refreshed in my current ROM are the actual Android OS files.
[Hint: Think of the way you would perform an OS upgrade in the Windows world... one does not have to flash an entire Windows image over the existing one. One could simply upgrade the OS, while keeping applications and settings intact. ]
I see no reason, in principal, why this isn't possible with Android and, quite frankly, I'm surprised some clever XDA hacker hasn't done it already.
- Anthony
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Thanks nerot, that's kinda the path I was heading down myself (install, without wipe).
The only thing is that I don't wish to install a ROM over another ROM. I was hoping to somehow sneak just a GB upgrade (into an update.zip, let's say) and then flash that through the recovery menu. That way (in theory) the only thing that gets refreshed in my current ROM are the actual Android OS files.
[Hint: Think of the way you would perform an OS upgrade in the Windows world... one does not have to flash an entire Windows image over the existing one. One could simply upgrade the OS, while keeping applications and settings intact. ]
I see no reason, in principal, why this isn't possible with Android and, quite frankly, I'm surprised some clever XDA hacker hasn't done it already. An one more thing if ypu don't wipe its like you flashed an upsate.zip but as i sai not wiping when switching between roms can cause problems.
- Anthony
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I dont think it is possible to use a update.zip on custom roms because they are modified and even if it was possible i think it would be easier for the developer to just compile the whole rom again.
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Tigger31337 said:
Thanks nerot, that's kinda the path I was heading down myself (install, without wipe).
The only thing is that I don't wish to install a ROM over another ROM. I was hoping to somehow sneak just a GB upgrade (into an update.zip, let's say) and then flash that through the recovery menu. That way (in theory) the only thing that gets refreshed in my current ROM are the actual Android OS files.
[Hint: Think of the way you would perform an OS upgrade in the Windows world... one does not have to flash an entire Windows image over the existing one. One could simply upgrade the OS, while keeping applications and settings intact. ]
I see no reason, in principal, why this isn't possible with Android and, quite frankly, I'm surprised some clever XDA hacker hasn't done it already.
- Anthony
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nobody wants to bother, so find the updated version of the rom you wish to install, make titanium backup of your apps, and move on ..
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nobody wants to bother, so find the updated version of the rom you wish to install, make titanium backup of your apps, and move on ..
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Wow, what a very clever answer.
Keep in mind I'm not asking what YOU would do; I'm merely asking if something is technically possible.
While it would be nice to find "the updated version of my ROM", it does not exist (because it's a heavily customized version of an already heavily customized version.)
It's perfectly tweaked the way I like it (and yes, I've been backing up the ROM along the way)... so now, my question is (as before): is it POSSIBLE to overwrite ONLY the Android files, thus giving me a newer version of the OS?
Don't worry about whether or not it's something YOU would do... that's missing the point. And don't worry about whether or not certain apps would break after I perform the upgrade... that's my problem. (I suspect that going from 2.3.3 --> 2.3.5, or 2.3.5 --> 2.3.7 would not cause my phone to explode.)
Simply: is it POSSIBLE to perform an OS upgrade on an EXISTING ROM?!
I've heard one answer so far (of "No") but it seems like that was a "most people don't do this" or "it's not practical"-type of answer.
I'm looking for someone knowledgeable enough (because I'm not) to say whether or not it's technically possible. For me, I don't see why it wouldn't be. If someone can confirm it, then I'll get to work and try creating a flash package to get the job done.
Danke,
- Anthony
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Simply: is it POSSIBLE to perform an OS upgrade on an EXISTING ROM?!
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A custom ROM (Read Only Memory) as it is so often referred to, is the OS (Operating System) packaged to be flashed into the ROM, which can include the kernel, system, boot image and or other file like data, radio etc.. This is why it is loosely called a custom built ROM.
Yes, it is possible to JUST flash the upgraded files into the OS in the ROM.
The issues most have is when updating some main system files like the systemiu.apk or framework.jar is the /data/data setting files. If those file are not compatible with the newer files you flashed you will get a boot loop issue. I know this since I am modifying my own OS this way from time to time.
Now I am not a expert or a have advance knowledge but I know I what I have done, and the manufactures also do the same with their OTA(Over The Air) updates.
-Mark
The answer IS no.
The files of the rom are the same files of the os.
you can upgade the only the os, but ...
you will not able to start the upgraded os unless you wipe caches and data partition
So you need to:
- backup your apps
- backup your pim data
- upgrade the os (or ROM, whatever term you like more)
- recover pim data
- recover apps
- do the phone settings
having os upgraded and data not wiped is an inconsistent system state.
the only way to upgrade as you like is done by a FOTA update. From 2.33 to 2.35 all the settings and data were kept.
...and so we have a DIRECT contradiction:
One user says it CAN be done; one says it CAN'T.
theq86, although your answer is detailed, here is why I'm having a problem accepting it:
- First, you keep equating OS to ROM. A customized flashable ROM is more than the OS. For example, a ROM can be deodexed, overclocked, embedded with system apps, themed, tweaked, yadda yadda yadda. The OS is merely one component of a ROM package. Please stop equating the two.
- Second (as you already identified) it actually IS possible to do an OS-only upgrade because we are able to receive those types of upgrades today (in the form of OTA updates).
That's my difficulty. Surely, if my phone can handle a package that's designed to upgrade ONLY the OS (say, from 2.3.3 to 2.3.5) then it's just a matter of finding out how that upgrade is packaged and delivered (zip flash, update.zip, whatever) and then re-creating that process offline so that I can apply the upgrade manually.
Here's another description, so you get the picture: Imagine you absolutely LOVE a custom ROM called TiggerROM. It's the best thing you've ever seen in your entire life (you don't get out much) and it happens to be based on GB 2.3.3. Now imagine the author of your custom ROM gets hit by a bus and dies a horrible, twitching death. (There will be no more updates to TiggerROM, sadly). A week after his funeral service, GB 2.3.5 has been released. Your other friends (who have NOT modded their phone) are freely getting the 2.3.5 upgrade OTA, and it does not affect the rest of their phone (i.e. they do not have to re-install all their apps, they did not lose their wallpaper of their pet dog, they did not have to reconfigure their WiFi and Google accounts, etc.) Now, you are saying to yourself, "I want that too! I want to keep my current ROM+settings+tweaks and all I wish to do is upgrade Android from 2.3.3 to 2.3.5" (because you're just the kind of guy who likes to have the latest OS).
...so, what would YOU do?
- Anthony
Tigger31337 said:
...and so we have a DIRECT contradiction:
One user says it CAN be done; one says it CAN'T.
theq86, although your answer is detailed, here is why I'm having a problem accepting it:
- First, you keep equating OS to ROM. A customized flashable ROM is more than the OS. For example, a ROM can be deodexed, overclocked, embedded with system apps, themed, tweaked, yadda yadda yadda. The OS is merely one component of a ROM package. Please stop equating the two.
- Second (as you already identified) it actually IS possible to do an OS-only upgrade because we are able to receive those types of upgrades today (in the form of OTA updates).
That's my difficulty. Surely, if my phone can handle a package that's designed to upgrade ONLY the OS (say, from 2.3.3 to 2.3.5) then it's just a matter of finding out how that upgrade is packaged and delivered (zip flash, update.zip, whatever) and then re-creating that process offline so that I can apply the upgrade manually.
Here's another description, so you get the picture: Imagine you absolutely LOVE a custom ROM called TiggerROM. It's the best thing you've ever seen in your entire life (you don't get out much) and it happens to be based on GB 2.3.3. Now imagine the author of your custom ROM gets hit by a bus and dies a horrible, twitching death. (There will be no more updates to TiggerROM, sadly). A week after his funeral service, GB 2.3.5 has been released. Your other friends (who have NOT modded their phone) are freely getting the 2.3.5 upgrade OTA, and it does not affect the rest of their phone (i.e. they do not have to re-install all their apps, they did not lose their wallpaper of their pet dog, they did not have to reconfigure their WiFi and Google accounts, etc.) Now, you are saying to yourself, "I want that too! I want to keep my current ROM+settings+tweaks and all I wish to do is upgrade Android from 2.3.3 to 2.3.5" (because you're just the kind of guy who likes to have the latest OS).
...so, what would YOU do?
- Anthony
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If you put it that way it is impossible to do that because you don't know what was edited in the custom rom and os compared to the stock ones it would cause instability an probably boot loop or the system not starting at all.Its almost like you want to upgrade from custom froyo to stock gingerbread using a ota.So the finnal answer is no.
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And as for keeping all the other stuff i think that during the update it's all temporarily backuped somewhere(probably the sd card) and then restored.But i think it depends on the update itself for example there is no need to delete apps and google accounts for a Wi-Fi fix but it is necessary to do that when upgrading from froyo to gingerbread(unless my backup theory is correct)
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you can not separate os and rom the way you do.
see, android is an OS that has a lot of dependencies. among these dependencies there are apks, themes and all the other stuff of the ROM.
it is sure possible to only upgrade the minimal dependencies that allow you to update your os and keep the rest (possible like: it's possible to fly)
the problem is: everything providers release are ROMs and no OS diffs. So what you want to do is very impractible.
no one does and want to struggle with those OS diffs. If you want to do, feel free. But you are the 1st one here.
so, yes it is possible, as it is possible to catch a fish with your hands. but the amount of work is much more than it it practicable.
Anyway, I got what you want. And the best thing you can do now:
- take a stock rom
- import it into a rom kitchen
- add your holy stuff
- cook your new rom and be careful not to be caught by a bus, because then the next one will arrive here crying that is favourite rom developer has died.
Try to only update the needed files would take you months of work just to find out what you can update.
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If you put it that way it is impossible to do that because you don't know what was edited in the custom rom and os compared to the stock ones it would cause instability an probably boot loop or the system not starting at all.Its almost like you want to upgrade from custom froyo to stock gingerbread using a ota.So the finnal answer is no.
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No, no, no.
In the examples I've been giving, I've always said that the change is minimally incremental (going from 2.3.3 --> 2.3.5, or 2.3.5 --> 2.3.7, for example). In theory, I'm sure you could go from Froyo to GB, but that's never an example I gave (nor something I'd want to do in real life). The bigger the version jump == the bigger the risk!
I am saying, (to repeat, yet again) that I would be working off a ROM that was GB 2.3.3 and then (somehow) apply a patch that would upgrade the bare minimum to get that Android up to 2.3.5. No other parts of the ROM would be touched. Whether or not **** breaks after the OS upgrade - well, that would have to be dealt with after the fact. I suspect not much would break, but that's not my question/concern right now. I'm saying can it be done TECHNICALLY. Is there a delivery method to apply an OS upgrade patch to a ROM. Don't worry about boot loops or broken apps... that's my problem, not yours.
And, if such an OS upgrade zip doesn't exist, then why not? Are they hard to make? Has anyone tried? Wouldn't such an update be HUGELY beneficial to the custom ROM community?
- Anthony
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you can not separate os and rom the way you do.
so, yes it is possible, as it is possible to catch a fish with your hands. but the amount of work is much more than it it practicable.
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Try to only update the needed files would take you months of work just to find out what you can update.
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Okay thanks. I think I'm getting the sense that it's just too much trouble than it's worth.
Thanks so much, everyone who replied.
I guess we are stuck in the hands of the ROM chefs (unless we take the time to learn to cook ROMs ourselves
Thanks again, take care!
- Anthony
Yes, it's technically possible. BUT you'll need to get whoever made the ROM you like to provide another ROM with the Android upgrade already in it. This may not be an insignificant task.
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Yes, it's technically possible. BUT you'll need to get whoever made the ROM you like to provide another ROM with the Android upgrade already in it. This may not be an insignificant task.
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Yes, but that's just another way of saying "you'll need to flash a new ROM" which is what we're trying to avoid here (because, by flashing new ROM, you'll lose everything - embedded apps, tweaks, themes, Link2SD data, etc.)
We're trying to keep our existing ROM and just change ONLY the Android version (from 2.3.3 to 2.3.5 for example, not a major version change).