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In the final now of OS Bowl. Lets take down Charlotte'sWeb.
http://blog.laptopmag.com/os-bowl-final-webos-vs-windows-phone-7-voting-ends-tuesday-28-at-9-a-m
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The OS Bowl is back and looks like we made it to the semifinals! Is it possible to take out the lemmings of iPhone?
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There is an OS Bowl showdown where WP7 is on a classic bracket list with other mobile operating systems. Android and Apple got first round byes, but we are in a fight with Blackberry for the next round.
So can we show up and beat Blackberry and take it one step further? Go to the page and show your vote!
http://blog.laptopmag.com/os-bowl-game-2-blackberry-vs-windows-phone-7
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My first thoughts were that this is pretty biased. On the right hand side of the draw you have two big players and a new gun, on the left you just have Android!
Anyhow, WP7 seems to be doing quite well. Currently (after my vote) WP7 has 70% of the vote.
Yeah that bracket is a fail. MeeGo and WebOS are outdated and dead in the water are they not? And what about Bada? It's a very valid entry.
If whomever set that up knew anything about smartphones, they'd know the main competitors are: android, ios, wp7, and blackberry. And even blackberry is on its way out. It's only got the hold it has now because of a past hold on the market.
The bracket could be more unforgiving. At least WP7 doesn't have to go against all 3 in the same draw. WP7 seems to be holding its own right now, but it looks like the "we-don't-all-have-touchscreens-yet" crew is not giving up on the bracket poll yet.
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Yeah that bracket is a fail. MeeGo and WebOS are outdated and dead in the water are they not? And what about Bada? It's a very valid entry.
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I like webOS. But the choice in hardware is iffy, not to mention the boot up time that apparently takes ages.
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The bracket could be more unforgiving. At least WP7 doesn't have to go against all 3 in the same draw. WP7 seems to be holding its own right now, but it looks like the "we-don't-all-have-touchscreens-yet" crew is not giving up on the bracket poll yet.
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BlackBerry OS is kind of boring with the sole exception of the PlayBook.
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Yeah that bracket is a fail. MeeGo and WebOS are outdated and dead in the water are they not? And what about Bada? It's a very valid entry.
If whomever set that up knew anything about smartphones, they'd know the main competitors are: android, ios, wp7, and blackberry. And even blackberry is on its way out. It's only got the hold it has now because of a past hold on the market.
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My opinion that WebOS is one of the best OS ever developed. I would easily take WebOS over any of them, if I could. I believe the next round will have Android against WebOS for leader of the left bank and WP7 against iOS for leader of the right bank. The ultimate winner will be very interesting, though.
we are competing with blackberry ... lol
I didnt even know its an os!
Well in the next year or so, who knows what OS will be on top and which would be a after thought. After this year, it is hard to fathom any more new mobile operating system releases as the space is full. I think the bracket is more of a popularity contest rather than functionality contest. Saying that though, the bracket shows an impressive, albeit unofficial representation for WP7.
let the voting and ego measuring recommence.
So WebOS somehow managed to beat Android?
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So WebOS somehow managed to beat Android?
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lol I have no idea if that is the case in real life, but in terms of user base and top of mind awareness, that contest is rigged (or at least not accurate).
Also, lulz for wp7 having like 86% right now over iOS.
I'm not surprised that webOS won, that simply means the Android fan club couldn't make it to the webpage. Android really isn't that good of an OS, it's memory management is suspect, it's basically a modern WinMo, the same OS that the world criticized. Google just marketed it, threw in a bigger app selection, and put it on prettier phones and the world fell in love with it. With that being said, webOS is a pretty solid OS for what it's worth.
Also, attack me all you want, but WP7 is a superior OS.
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Also, attack me all you want, but WP7 is a superior OS.
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I'd agree with that. Microsoft is a huge company for a reason, from time to time they do know what they're doing. And wp7 is the next step in smartphones. It's just head and shoulders above the rest.
...they just have to fix the hanging marketplace errors...
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I'm not surprised that webOS won, that simply means the Android fan club couldn't make it to the webpage. Android really isn't that good of an OS, it's memory management is suspect, it's basically a modern WinMo, the same OS that the world criticized. Google just marketed it, threw in a bigger app selection, and put it on prettier phones and the world fell in love with it. With that being said, webOS is a pretty solid OS for what it's worth.
Also, attack me all you want, but WP7 is a superior OS.
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that might be the dumbest take I've seen on these forums.
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that might be the dumbest take I've seen on these forums.
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Luckily for me, your home seems to be in the Android sections, which makes your opinion idiotic and void, thanks for playing though, even though you provided absolutely nothing to this thread. You guys don't really need to get bitter over losing a bracket on a website, do you?
This is really going to be interesting. I predict it will be between WebOS and iOS and I really have no prediction of which one of those two outstanding mobile OSs would win. I feel like WebOS should win, but my nephew's Pixi has been a little bit buggy. iOS doesn't have bugs. So, in all likelihood, it might be iOS.
EDIT - I just looked at the iOS vs. WP7 poll results and WP7 has a huge lead. So it might be between WP7 and WebOS. In that case I would give the nod to WebOS.
WP7 vs iOS and WP7 is taking over 75%
Honestly, I think WebOS should win. Its a better OS overall when compared to the other platforms out there. The only problem is the hardware that comes with it. Palm/HP really needs to step there game up. And this coming from a WP7 advocate.
Quick Update. WebOS vs Windows Phone 50 ~ 50.
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and we somehow managed to beat iOS. I'm sorry i love my wp7 but this poll is a joke. If WebOS beats WP7 its obviously BS
Looks like Apple is taking what people love about every other OS and mashing up into one. That's just brilliant!
Sure they're copying plenty of stuff but the end users won't care as long as their phones do everything they want. Any thoughts?
I dislike the title of this thread. Espeically in a WP7 forum. If they are "copying" then it just shows how good the people are they are copying it from. iOS needed to keep up with the latest standards and its good to have competition.
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I dislike the title of this thread. Espeically in a WP7 forum. If they are "copying" then it just shows how good the people are they are copying it from. iOS needed to keep up with the latest standards and its good to have competition.
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+1 for this... .
If you are a fanboy then there is a forum in XDA for you ..Not here please ...go to the iPhone forum
Wow, are we not adults here? Can't we talk about what's good about an other OS? Really, wow...
that's just it save from notifications and text only browser, a lot of things are offered in wp7 mango natively...so what's the point? I mean the main problem I have is that apple is still app centric. Yes its finally doing a lot with regards to integration, but is it enough? I'm not sure
I don't mind having a discussion on this I bought my sister an ipad so the ios info is good for me to know...
In many ways it seems that apple has finally caught up to microsoft and google in terms of OS integration and consumer demand...only took 4 years
imho the notes system looks cluttered and gimmicky
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I saw the title of this and came by, really from my reading on this apple didn't show me anything that wp7 doesn't support natively or will. Its good they updated their approach keeps people on their toes but your title is wow.
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Wow, are we not adults here? Can't we talk about what's good about an other OS? Really, wow...
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Yes we are ..your title its not ...just change your title m8..Really wow...
Can I just say I've never owned an iPhone or an Apple product for that matter and my last 3 phones have been Windows Phones. Still doesn't prevent me from seeing what others are doing right, the opposite would actually make me a fanboy.
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Can I just say I've never owned an iPhone or an Apple product for that matter and my last 3 phones have been Windows Phones. Still doesn't prevent me from seeing what others are doing right, the opposite would actually make me a fanboy.
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You title says : "isn't iOS 5 The Ultimate OS? "
What is the ultimate m8??? The trend and the fashion ..not technology and inovation !!!
New new future presented today by Apple
1. The present today a camera button as a big news... OMG
2. The presen icloud as something new ...Guys skydrive or dropbox are on the market for some time now
3. The present today the notification system ...Woowww this is realy a breakthrough.
This is Apple guys...
Dont forget last year the told us for the fisrt time that there is something called copy paste and multitasking....
They are good ...but only on marketing and on creating trend and fashion...
I gotcha P
I have owned every major phone OS (Smartphone) in US, and WP7 just works for me I have had android and IOS both are great at what they do give me apps that do what I need at that time. Now to touch base with a couple of things we are all wrong in the respect of what is better for this guy is better for that. Everything is based on perception on how it feels to the consumer, and most comparisons on phone stuff is based on what someone shows us at a given time. I pleaded my case with Windows Mobile time and time again when I was with ATT and then the new Phone OS came out with features I already had, the biggest is (tethering) but people tend to go with whats cool and who is using what. Apples biggest advantage by far is accessories I buy one and it works on all my iphones, ipods, etc that is the only advantage I see apple having right now. (I hope this is still on topic I jabber alot)
Alright, can a mod just close the thread please, I can see where this is going...
nice Colossus
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You title says : "isn't iOS 5 The Ultimate OS? "
What is the ultimate m8??? The trend and the fashion ..not technology and inovation !!!
New new future presented today by Apple
1. The present today a camera button as a big news... OMG
2. The presen icloud as something new ...Guys skydrive or dropbox are on the market for some time now
3. The present today the notification system ...Woowww this is realy a breakthrough.
This is Apple guys...
Dont forget last year the told us for the fisrt time that there is something called copy paste and multitasking....
They are good ...but only on marketing and on creating trend and fashion...
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well said apple does some great things but they also have the best marketing group on the planet, and that does change everything
colossus_r said:
You title says : "isn't iOS 5 The Ultimate OS? "
What is the ultimate m8??? The trend and the fashion ..not technology and inovation !!!
New new future presented today by Apple
1. The present today a camera button as a big news... OMG
2. The presen icloud as something new ...Guys skydrive or dropbox are on the market for some time now
3. The present today the notification system ...Woowww this is realy a breakthrough.
This is Apple guys...
Dont forget last year the told us for the fisrt time that there is something called copy paste and multitasking....
They are good ...but only on marketing and on creating trend and fashion...
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Actually, Copy Paste is there sincer iOS 3. 2 years from now. But I think they copied exactly Android. In a beautiful way, of course.
Still, I prefer Mango than iOS 5 (;
We just need some apps. And Mango, of course.
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Alright, can a mod just close the thread please, I can see where this is going...
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I see what your saying about the iOS so know that one person fully agrees with you.
I don't see a problem with them copying anything? Really, what they are copying is exactly what they needed to make a well rounded OS. It would be very foolish of them to just look at what they need and push it aside. I say, iOS 5 is gonna be insane.
I would also like to add that I kinda predicted their new notification system in another thread on here. And yes, I do want a cookie
There's a lot of stuff WP7 Mango does that ios doesnt do- Threads that integrate your SMS, IM's, Facebook chat, People hub where you can see your history with a person including calls, texts, pictures, bing extras, local scout, native Office, Xbox live (8 new games here http://www.winrumors.com/8-new-xbox-live-enabled-windows-phone-7-games-revealed-at-e3/), IE9 with hardware acceleration - looking at ios5 I cant think of anything that it now has that really trumps Mango.
apple added features from other OS's but even then WP7's integration is second to none and still comes out on top for me.
I don't see much difference in terms of features between iOS5 and Mango (there are areas where each one is better than the other), but that's certainly bad for Mango. It's not enough to have feature parity with the leader to beat it, especially when media calls iOS5 "massive" and Mango "underwhelming".
I understand the sentiment and agree but dont think the title gave the thread much chance..
If its the ultimate there is no reason for anyone to buy any other device.
One thing is good though - it'll be much easier for Microsoft to explain what Windows Live is. Their Marketing and PR people should commit harakiri, I think. One cannot live with such shame.
Off topic: Windows Mobile had copy and paste and Multi-tasking since forever. So I don't know what all the praise for iPhone is/was all about. I also believe what Microsoft really needs to work on is their Marketing department. I think that's just where Apple beats them.
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iOS5 looks like a cracking upgrade for people who already own iOS devices, or are heavily invested in the Apple ecosystem. It's fan service, rather than something that will bring in new customers by the droves.
I've got to say though, it does tempt me back towards an iPhone. If they had a Zune Pass style music subscription service I might have made the jump with the iPhone 5, though there's a few other features I'd like to see. WebOS-style linking between phone and tablet for a start.
Mango looks like a stronger update, but starting from a weaker position. Microsoft also seem to lack a real platform currently. They've got lots of small projects going on, but it's a bit disjointed. My Windows Phone, Windows PC and Xbox 360 don't really play nice together and I'm yet to see a Windows Tablet that I want to buy. Windows 8 needs to hurry up...
Well I have been behind Windows for a very long time, I guess you can call me a fanboy. But Windows really appeals to me and my needs. Being an advocate for Windows I always talk to folks about WP7, personally I havent seen anybody in person besides myself with a WP7 device.
But a guy at my job went from an Iphone 3gs to a Droid x in which he hates. He wants to go back to iphone but of course i suggested WP7 and he was really interested. He thought it was only a few carriers but I had to inform him that all major carriers have WP7. My thought on this at Carriers arent promoting WP7 like I think they should, when I see these Carriers they are flooded with tons of Android devices, its like WP7 is like an after thought.
Another guy I work with has had every Iphone and swears by it but I defend Wp7 of course and he even agreed that he likes WP7 and seemed kinda worried that it may be better, but he also seemed interested in WP7, but everybody that complains about WP7 always goes back to Windows mobile and the App marketplace for WP7. I tell them dont worry it will soon catch up and surpass. WP7 is here to stay and overcome and take its original place back from these imitators. Windows is the originators of this game and they have to take this thing back over and surpass the competition.
But overall I love my DVP and WP7 its everything I want plus more. My wife is salty that my phone actually does what I want it to do instead of constant lock ups and device not working properly like her EVO. Nice device but not very appealing to me.
I know I sound like im rambling but I just had to state a few things to the WP7 public
I agree with what your saying regarding carriers not promoting windows phone 7 as i recently purchased a HD7 and upon doing so i went around to many Australian retailers and i was met with a lack if any knowledge about the windows phone operating system.
I think this can in part explains windows phone 7 sales that and there are no attractive windows phone 7 handsets in my opinion. The HD7 has a terrible screen and a useless and ugly kick stand and is very heavy. Aesthetics and industry design play a massive role in consumer behaviour, apple understands this and its part of the reason why apple really took off in the last few years. I think with the Nokia agreement the mango update and the potential of Samsung releasing a windows phone 7 device that looks like galaxy S 2 windows phone has the potential to flourish.
Yeah the WP7 UI really is great. Until you get bored with it looking the same, then there's nothing you can do except change phones.
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I agree with what your saying regarding carriers not promoting windows phone 7 as i recently purchased a HD7 and upon doing so i went around to many Australian retailers and i was met with a lack if any knowledge about the windows phone operating system.
I think this can in part explains windows phone 7 sales that and there are no attractive windows phone 7 handsets in my opinion. The HD7 has a terrible screen and a useless and ugly kick stand and is very heavy. Aesthetics and industry design play a massive role in consumer behaviour, apple understands this and its part of the reason why apple really took off in the last few years. I think with the Nokia agreement the mango update and the potential of Samsung releasing a windows phone 7 device that looks like galaxy S 2 windows phone has the potential to flourish.
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Whether the design of a device matches ones personal taste or not is a question of what one likes or dislikes. I for one have an HD7 and love it. I don't share your opinion concerning the screen, weight or even the kickstand.
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Yeah the WP7 UI really is great. Until you get bored with it looking the same, then there's nothing you can do except change phones.
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What about iOS? Still looking the same after all those years. Nothing but a boring wall of icons. Still lots of people love it just the way it is. So it seems that not too many people really care about the customizability of a handset.
As the post above says.
If the UI works, why change it? Android's UI being so flexible just makes it a complete nightmare to use, and most people are never going to bother to put the time in to find the one widget that works out of the 1,000 that do the same job.
Everything comes back to: Users just want to be able to do the stuff they need to. If they can do that by default, no customisation is necessary.
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Yeah the WP7 UI really is great. Until you get bored with it looking the same, then there's nothing you can do except change phones.
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andrewkeith5 said:
As the post above says.
If the UI works, why change it? Android's UI being so flexible just makes it a complete nightmare to use, and most people are never going to bother to put the time in to find the one widget that works out of the 1,000 that do the same job.
Everything comes back to: Users just want to be able to do the stuff they need to. If they can do that by default, no customisation is necessary.
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I think many people don't care so much about the UI.
My brain works this way: I like logic but I also need something to entertain my eye. That is why iOS works for people: it is always the same BUT it has tons of eye candy and doesn't get boring really.
WP7 is brilliant but for many users just too dreadful.
Android may be ugly, luckily I use SE which makes it look stunning and classy.
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Well I have been behind Windows for a very long time, I advocate, I love my DVP and WP7 its everything I want plus my wife is salty, im rambling but I just had to state a few things to the public
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condensed, for levity.
doministry said:
I think many people don't care so much about the UI.
My brain works this way: I like logic but I also need something to entertain my eye. That is why iOS works for people: it is always the same BUT it has tons of eye candy and doesn't get boring really.
WP7 is brilliant but for many users just too dreadful.
Android may be ugly, luckily I use SE which makes it look stunning and classy.
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Funny I have opposite reaction. When I had my Iphone 3g and 3gs all I kept thinking of was Windows for Workgroups 3.11. Was going to get an Android to be a little different, saw that MS was changing. At first thought it was weird but after seeing a video I knew it was what I wanted. I am in the tech industry and have to deal with all the phones at work. Amazing how hard a time people have trying to get exchange email on their iphones, androids, and blackberries. For us who understand it is really easy
I was that close to purchasing an Android device last fall when I discovered WP7, although I wound up getting an android device free from T-mobile. But, it was indeed the UI that struck me. Actually, I don't even recall my exact moment of, "Hey. I want that."
But, the more I researched the more I knew that was where I was going, and the farther I moved away from the idea of Android. WP7 was new, fresh, and artfully done.
When I'm using my phone every single response I've ever gotten has been of the, "Wow! That's nice?! What kinda phone is that?" variety. Or, others saying, "Wow! That's that Windows Phone, huh?" It's the UI that gets them all.
Hell, I've even gotten T-mo and Verizon reps that gave me a, "Now that's cool!" after dogging the phone (WM) and then having an actual product demonstrated to them.
So, I would say that the vast majority of people acknowledge looks first. Whether it's a nice looking person, car, house, piece of jewelry, phone user interface, or what have you, our initial reactions are superficial. We gravitate towards things which are pleasing to the eye and WP7 is that for many people.
However, once we get past the "pretty" aspect it becomes about what lies underneath that appealing exterior. And, WP7 still holds up for the vast majority of folks who just want something that works and accomplishes everyday tasks with few headaches and/or hiccups.
I've already converted 7 people over to WP7 because of my phone. Might be 8. I'm not sure if my brother was gonna get one anyway or not.
But, agreed on the UI mention which of course leads to a great UX.
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I think many people don't care so much about the UI.
My brain works this way: I like logic but I also need something to entertain my eye. That is why iOS works for people: it is always the same BUT it has tons of eye candy and doesn't get boring really.
WP7 is brilliant but for many users just too dreadful.
Android may be ugly, luckily I use SE which makes it look stunning and classy.
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wow that is the most illogical reasoning I have ever heard. So you are saying that iOS which is basically just a bluish static grid of icons and some glassy effects has tons of eye candy compared to WP7 with its elegant and yet lively interface. Just compare Apps such as MTV news, USA Today, Fox News with their iOS counterparts. And these are just v1 apps which will improve as devs get more comfortable with the design aesthetics of WP.
doministry said:
I think many people don't care so much about the UI.
My brain works this way: I like logic but I also need something to entertain my eye. That is why iOS works for people: it is always the same BUT it has tons of eye candy and doesn't get boring really.
WP7 is brilliant but for many users just too dreadful.
Android may be ugly, luckily I use SE which makes it look stunning and classy.
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I prefer the WP7 interface over the iPhone. I actually prefer my WM6.5 interface over the iPhone and WP7. At least with the WM6.5, you can change wallpapers.
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Whether the design of a device matches ones personal taste or not is a question of what one likes or dislikes. I for one have an HD7 and love it. I don't share your opinion concerning the screen, weight or even the kickstand.
What about iOS? Still looking the same after all those years. Nothing but a boring wall of icons. Still lots of people love it just the way it is. So it seems that not too many people really care about the customizability of a handset.
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They have Cydia that's why. Full customization. Look up Dreamboard. I mean you don't have to set anything up and bam your phone looks like HTC Sense, WP7, a Microsoft webpage, and much more. It's theming brought to it's utmost potential. Of course there are bugs since it is still in the early 1.xx stages. Installous.
I love my SGS II, 7 Launcher. Hehehe..
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Both iOS and Android are cool but can be boring. You may theme it to "look" like WP7 interface BUT you still miss the big deals like integration, unified apps, and live tiles.
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BUT you still miss the big deals like integration, unified apps, and live tiles.
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and also perfect fludity ...
I have used the iPhone for a long time. And now have used android for a long time. Love flashing new roms and customizing. Hated windows mobile. To many menus and laggy. But I played with the HTC arrive, and loved it! Ever time I go to the sprint store, I go straight to it. When the new super phones come out with mango, I may have to switch.
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Hi fellow WP7ers,
This kind of ignorance doesn't usually bother me, Windows Mobile was ignored continuously, despite it being one of the most important advances in phones ever. However I can't help but name and shame the two particular staff I came into contact to in Phones 4 U in Lincoln city centre, Lincolnshire, UK.
I was shopping with my mother, she wanted a new phone (an iPhone, but who can blame her these days). I thought it would be a great chance to see the new WP7 phones in action. I suggested that they compare WP7 and the iPhone, to give it a fair chance, she had already tried Android, and like many, she found it far too busy and complicated. My request was immediately met with a blank stare.
The salesperson, confused by the words 'windows phone', asked another female salesperson for assistance. He then explained that he and his colleague had both been given a free WP7 (I assume in an attempt to help them sell the phones). He had never even turned his on. A phone salesperson who had never used or tried to use a WP7 device, rather sticking with his iPhone like the sheep he was.
The girl used her WP7 phone and seemed to quite like it. However she had no idea how to sell it, it seemed it was the first time she had ever used it as she sluggishly tried to navigate the menus explaining features briefly as she found them.
My mother opted to pay the ridiculous contract fee set by Apple for their iPhone 4, deeming the 4S to be a bit too expensive. For almost half the price she could have walked away with a windows phone, even a monkey could have sold it based on the price of the contract alone. However these monkeys, paid to sell windows phones, couldn't even come up with a basic sales pitch.
I ask, how can windows phone ever hope to compete with iPhone if our sales people ignore all commission and incentives to blindly sell based on their very limited opinionated experiences?
The ignorance of being given a windows phone for free in order to sell it, but never even turning it on just infuriated me! These were two staff that had been selected by phones 4 U to be ambassadors for WP7, and they can't be bothered.
All they could do was go through the features of the iPhone 5 update, calling them 'new' and 'unique' despite every one of them being taken stright from WP7, WM6 or android!
They even used the phrase 'windows phone is just like your windows pc'.
In what way do you think they were referring to?
Carrier sales reps are the worst for that. Here at AT&T they don't bother with iPhone sales because it sales it self so the first thing they will steer you to even if you want the iPhone is the biggest Android phone which is the SGS2. If you ask about WP7 phones they say nobody likes those.
Microsoft is suppose to be helping with sales now and to fix the ignorance.
Crazy.lol. interesting story. I myself went to my local best buy a couple of times in the last month asking about windows phone 7. Both times i was turned away. Apparently they dont have any in stock.
Shame...really wanted to try it out too.
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It doesn't help that windows phone is also fragmented. I had some friends that wanted to get a windows phone and since a few retailers are STILL selling outdated Windows Mobile 6.5 it gets confusing to the average person what to look for when shopping unless they "research" first.
You don't have to do this with Iphone and only have to slightly with Droid.
Another complaint I hear constantly from people that use mine and have their own "free with contract" windows phone is they hate the lack of customization. They see all the pretty things their friends can do with Droid (because they had a guy like me that understood how the phone works and how to do that) and they usually the first thing I am asked is, "Can you put droid on this?"
Plus you have to take into account Windows Phone 7 is still very much in its infancy. Look at the early days of Droid and Iphone the OS was awful, had no customization, and generally irritated the average user. WP7 is in that same spot right now. Mango was nice sure, but it didn't really bring anything new or remarkable to the table.
Last but certainly the most annoying thing is when was the last time you ever saw a Windows Phone 7 commercial? Seriously I hear commercials on the radio and TV CONSTANTLY for iPhone 4s and the latest and greatest DROOOIIIIIDDD! Hell I even see these commercials at the frakkin movie theater! The only time I have ever seen a WP7 commercial was ONCE on Hulu of all places. Microsoft needs to get it together and blast the media, blast the airwaves, and show the world WP7 is a great handset and not just another gimmick phone like WM 6.5 or the now defunct Kin.
On all fronts it's like Microsoft is not even attempting to try and fight the big players and instead just flooding the market with another "smartphone." They need media, advertising, and a truly killer phone to be relevant and motivate people to want a Windows Phone.
C'mon, Wm wasn't a gimmick. I loved that OS.
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C'mon, Wm wasn't a gimmick. I loved that OS.
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WM 6.5 is still years ahead of iOS5&ICS and centuries ahead of WP7, and I'm not gonna start trolling over this.
2008-2009 WM was what Android is now. In the worst sense possible. Plenty of handsets, ZILLIONS of custom ROMS and MEGA ZILLIONS of skins-releasea every second.
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WM 6.5 is still years ahead of iOS5&ICS and centuries ahead of WP7, and I'm not gonna start trolling over this.
2008-2009 WM was what Android is now. In the worst sense possible. Plenty of handsets, ZILLIONS of custom ROMS and MEGA ZILLIONS of skins-releasea every second.
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Maybe for certain abilities, WinMo exceeds. But for quality, reliability and user experience, there is nothing that exists or has existed that beats WP7 w/Mango. All of the claimed polish that iOS has truly exists in WP7. And WinMo was anything but quality and user experience.
^ smartphones were actually smart back then. They UI was designed for a stylus, so yeah it sucked. IPhone changed that.
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^ smartphones were actually smart back then. They UI was designed for a stylus, so yeah it sucked. IPhone changed that.
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Do you know what Sega's game and console design philosophy was when they were still in the hardware business...expecially with the Dreamcast? It was very simple: Make the controller with very few controls or buttons and make games to compensate with better, more intelligent control. A single button should be made to control the maximum amount of functions as possible. Basically making the software do all of the thinking rather than cluttering up the physical controller with buttons and switches.
This is what I see with WP7. It may appear to be simple and lacking on the surface, but the software is doing more than anything else before it. That's a true "smartphone". A smartphone doesn't need to be filled with surface controls and menus to be smart. No way was WinMo smarter than WP7.
I agree all sales reps do is iPhone! For some reason Apple is revolutionary when they do something that's already been done. For example: Notification Bar! (Android had that from the start) 8MP Camera(I know android phones had it far before) Honestly iPhones are way over thought and it doesn't help that everyone is devoloping apps for Apple, I would like a WP7 but since they came on so late there is little to no apps and I saw the prices for apps and its outrageous. Once more, when the iPhone 5 comes out it will more than likely steal the live wallpapers and Widgets and somehow people will think that apple did something revolutionary once more.
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Windows Phone has a few things fighting against it. First most people have no clue what a "smart" phone really should do beyond be pretty. Like vetvito says, Windows Mobile 6.5 was a real smart phone features wise. A smart phone that sells well in today's market (to the masses) is all about social media, music and games. People don't even try to find out all the things their phones can or cannot do. That is why Apple can get away with saying the features they pilfer from Android, Palm and Microsoft are "new and revolutionary". For all of us, we know that is a lie, but the general public has no clue.
Secondly, the carriers and store representatives have no desire to sell them. Even when given incentives, they don't try. It is as if no one wants Microsoft to have a foothold in the market anymore. Here in the States Verizon and TMobile are so married to the Android platform almost nothing else gets marketing. I say this even as Verizon has the Iphone boosting it's sales numbers. TMobile is so married to the Android platform they they aren't getting HTC's flagship phone the TITAN even though the last high powered breakthrough phone HTC Windows phone sold out for months straight (HTC HD2). While Apple hasn't made a iPhone compatible with their network, you would think TMobile USA would double up and fight back with every weapon available. Instead they ignore Windows Phone in both marketing and in store supplies. AT&T is getting the TITAN, but there is no advertising for it. iPhone sales have filled their coffers and non exclusivity hasn't hurt them a bit. They simply don't care. To be honest I've felt ATT has wanted to buy TMobile USA as a tactic backed by Apple in and attempt to eliminate a good amount of Android sales -but I'm a conspiracy theorist!
Third we have the issue of Microsoft looking lost behind Ballmer whether they really are or not. Steve Ballmer simply doesn't exude confidence to the average person when he speaks. Couple this with his continued business plan of leaving the success of Windows Phone up to the OEM's, even though it hasn't been successful for this platform, showing either a lack of desire for Windows Phone to really dominate/compete, total incompetence or both.
Lastly, we have the geek to public communication aspect. Geeks have adamantly declared anything from Microsoft dead in the water at launch. Who cares if they are on the XBox 6-8 hours a day right? I am not really surprised because the hate for Windows Mobile and Windows Phone here on XDA from the Android crowd is just a "window" of what the general public is being told and sold. Android fanboys and zealots world wide have done a great job of destroying any good will there was for the Windows mobile platform, a feat they couldn't accomplish vs Apple and their marketing machine. What really is crazy about this is how similar Android really is to Windows Mobile, including instability and customization. How similar you say? Enough for Microsoft to negotiate deals with just about every major and minor Android handset manufacturer for a cost paid to MS for every Android handset manufactured/sold due to intellectual property patent infringements and future patent protection from Microsoft. Basically Microsoft is making money hand over fist with nearly every Android handset sold. I wonder when the geeks are going to start telling all their friends that?
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This is what I see with WP7. It may appear to be simple and lacking on the surface, but the software is doing more than anything else before it. That's a true "smartphone". A smartphone doesn't need to be filled with surface controls and menus to be smart. No way was WinMo smarter than WP7.
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It's always interesting to see how "smart" means different things for different people. And actually how this definition evolves.
I will stick to my definition which basically says smart = can do more.
In this regard WP7 is like an idiot. WM was amazing OS, really super capable.
you have a great point, i love my windows phone to death but i think that they will be able to attack worlwide markets with nokias help since nokia a good brand in other parts of teh world this will help windows phone a lot. THe only way they can break through in america is with sexy looking devices(like the nokia n9 the sea ray will be that) and some crazy marketing until then windows phone won't gain traction
Especially when most WP7 phones are boring and not exciting.
Looks like MS is trying to do something about WP7's visibility.
http://gizmodo.com/5852497/confused...ws-store-is-hanging-around-their-free-concert
Oh? Another of these threads...
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Especially when most WP7 phones are boring and not exciting.
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Cuz iOS is really exciting? If Apple does not do something more with the UI of iOS they will find themselves starting to decline. Thinking up of fancy handset designs will become increasing hard and the day you miss is the day you are in trouble.
Look, I love Windows Phone, admitted from afar, but let us not kid ourselves. Windows Phone is not selling well because it is the new kid on the block in a world of two powerhouses that do alot more.
If you have the choice between Product A or B that both do a whole lot, satisfy most user's needs fully, and are very popular, there is very little reason to swing out and pick Product C. That goes for Bada OS, WebOS, Meego, or any other new OS.
The most compelling reason to buy into Windows Phone is it gives users Android-like handset options with an iOS control philosophy. It will take a little while for that angle to penetrate the market.
But imagine iOS but with a more interesting user interface and handset choices from all the major brands (and an ace in the pocket in Nokia). That is Windows Phone. Solid foundation, great hardware support, rich daddy.
But you can't imagine. WP7 doesn't have a hàlf million apps, and developers, or public interest. Lets not kid ourselves as you put it.
Its not even the third option as other OS's are beating it. So let's be honest.
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But you can't imagine. WP7 doesn't have a hàlf million apps, and developers, or public interest. Lets not kid ourselves as you put it.
Its not even the third option as other OS's are beating it. So let's be honest.
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Maybe you can't. Some people just can't see the bigger picture. Look going forward. Not just with Nokia's huge reach, but Windows 8 release. Do you not realize how many developers will have access to Windows Phone just because of its similarities and integration into future Windows releases? The fact that people will see the similarities between Win 8 and Windows Phone? Things take time. Even more so now that there are TWO giant smart phone OS's and not just the iPhone like with Android's first outing.
Android still doesn't have 500,000 apps either. Seriously there seems to be no pleasing some people. Needs to have 500,000K apps in first month, needs to have 50% market in first year.......
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But you can't imagine. WP7 doesn't have a hàlf million apps, and developers, or public interest. Lets not kid ourselves as you put it.
Its not even the third option as other OS's are beating it. So let's be honest.
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WinMo never had the amount of apps WP7 currently has. I think of the 30+ thousand apps in the WP7 market as amazing. No exaggeration. It's purely amazing there are that many apps in under 1 year. I expect that by this time next year there will be 3 times as many or more.
And a significant number of apps in the WP7 market are high-value apps that the other markets have. WinMo never had these high-value apps.
EDIT - added a screenshot of the latest numbers.
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Android didn't have 500,000 apps either, and now it does. Seriously there seems to be no pleasing some people. Needs to have 500,000K apps in first month, needs to have 50% market in first year.......
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Actually no. Android currently has under 300,000 apps. iOS has 500+ thousand apps.
lately while i have been going out i have been seeing more windows phones out in the wild. Although where i am at i see like 25 iphones a few droids but i never saw windows phones. Well now i am actually seeing windows phones out in the wild occasionly. 2012 looks like it could be a good year for windows phones. Who knows maybe 2012 will be the year of windows phones?
Sounds promising. Which phone do you have?
Yes I beleive once they drop Apollo the masses will come flocking unless iphone 5 is real promising, but people are going to start looking for a change and I beleive WP7 will be it for them. WP7 is already striking the interest of many but so many people see the features Android and iOS has to offer and they end up following the sheep. Seen it happen numerous times. Once we get a compeitive phone on the market then we can really compete.
I own a samsung focus
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Yes I beleive once they drop Apollo the masses will come flocking unless iphone 5 is real promising, but people are going to start looking for a change and I beleive WP7 will be it for them. WP7 is already striking the interest of many but so many people see the features Android and iOS has to offer and they end up following the sheep. Seen it happen numerous times. Once we get a compeitive phone on the market then we can really compete.
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At what point in sales numbers do people quit being people, and become sheep ?
Its more of people following the fad, for no good reason, at least the people ive ran into and asked myself, me personally I dont care. But it seems that people that arent techie seem to go where everybody else go without trying other things on the market. This girl at my job was absolutely tired of her Android because it ran like crap. Obviously her next choose was iOS, I told her to look at WP7 and I also gave her good reasons to get the WP7. Few days later she gets the iOS. My cousin who is an avid Nokia guy and always stood by them was looking to get a Nokia WP7 device. Few weeks later he gets the HTC Amaze, reasoning: the Amaze is the most powerful phone on the market. Even though I told my cousin WP7 doesnt need the same power to operate like it should he still choose the Android device. From my experience with several other people it seems like they are scared to step out of the realm and try something different. Therefore they follow the sheep without giving the WP7 a try. Im not mad at there decision because im not the one using their device.
I don't think WP7 will rise again. I don't really know what deal thought Nokia to do with Microsoft, but everything is far behind possible. Mango should have brought at least the same functionalities tan Android, but at this time, I don't have even wifi theetering on my LG, where the most of branded LG have. everything is missing in WP7, and I saw the new galaxy phone with Android 4 will be there soon. maybe in a couple of months I'll get my theetering, where the Android and iOS will get a new load of things
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Its more of people following the fad, for no good reason, at least the people ive ran into and asked myself, me personally I dont care. But it seems that people that arent techie seem to go where everybody else go without trying other things on the market. This girl at my job was absolutely tired of her Android because it ran like crap. Obviously her next choose was iOS, I told her to look at WP7 and I also gave her good reasons to get the WP7. Few days later she gets the iOS. My cousin who is an avid Nokia guy and always stood by them was looking to get a Nokia WP7 device. Few weeks later he gets the HTC Amaze, reasoning: the Amaze is the most powerful phone on the market. Even though I told my cousin WP7 doesnt need the same power to operate like it should he still choose the Android device. From my experience with several other people it seems like they are scared to step out of the realm and try something different. Therefore they follow the sheep without giving the WP7 a try. Im not mad at there decision because im not the one using their device.
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Well that's probably because the App selection on WP7 is even worse than on Android and basically no one owns it, a lot of people buy Android for the same reason they buy iPhones, they know the name, WP7 is new and no one likes change much. WP7 is VERY nice, but the features are boring, and yeah it brings a new UI but that's all that it does, I don't think it will be a big OS anytime soon, Android and iOS will be in the top for a long time.
Give this to the second page for it to descend into the usual "WP7 sucks" thread. Cant allow the spread of any positive WP7 news now, can we?
IOS still sucks but android ice cream sandwich has surpassed windows phone in almost every way. I think tango will decide the fate for WP. If it doesn't add at least 500 features like mango, It will be too late
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karan1203 said:
IOS still sucks but android ice cream sandwich has surpassed windows phone in almost every way. I think tango will decide the fate for WP. If it doesn't add at least 500 features like mango, It will be too late
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I guess it'll be late then. Tango will not add that many things, but Apollo is the key here.
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IOS still sucks but android ice cream sandwich has surpassed windows phone in almost every way. I think tango will decide the fate for WP. If it doesn't add at least 500 features like mango, It will be too late
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Agreed
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karan1203 said:
IOS still sucks but android ice cream sandwich has surpassed windows phone in almost every way. I think tango will decide the fate for WP. If it doesn't add at least 500 features like mango, It will be too late
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hold your horses there, how many phones will be running vanilla android= a few. Excuse me but every windows phone runs amazing and yes i read reviews for ics but android is still android and over time it will run like crap. I owned an android and used it now i am on windows phone and loving it. I dont think i can go back to android. IOS sells very well so i dont think you can say it "sucks" but the interface is still quite boring and i would never get an "i" device.
Just my 2 cents, If you compared iOS, Android & WP7 for their 1st year achivement, then you will see how fast the trend is that WP try to catch up to compete with Android & iOS.
Conclusion is,
take what you love, rather than bash it after you get it, whether it is an Android, an iDevice, or a WP.
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IOS still sucks but android ice cream sandwich has surpassed windows phone in almost every way. I think tango will decide the fate for WP. If it doesn't add at least 500 features like mango, It will be too late
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Tango is a minor update, the equivalent of NoDo. It's not going to be adding anything major except potentially support for things like LTE and NFC. There were also early rumors of system wide search being added.
Mango has put WP7 at a decent place. It isn't up to par with iOS or Android but it is usable. It just needs attractive devices and a better catalog of apps. Hopefully Nokia's US devices will keep things moving until the major update later next year.
I was showing a female friend my HD7 the other day and i could not believe it when she said the interface was cluttered and ugly, this coming from some one who owns and iPhone 4. The iphone GUI was cutting edge when it came out but endless pages of applications that offer no information rather then the occasion number to indicate an event is rather outdated. Although Live tiles have not been implement as well i and most probably Microsoft would of hoped.
Her only problem with the WP7 interface was that is scrolls down, to be honest i would not be surprised if they change this in a future update to co inside with all the other metro UI offerings. I love my HD7 but i agree Microsoft has to really pick up the ball and significantly increase its list of features and specifications if they want to compete.
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hold your horses there, how many phones will be running vanilla android= a few. Excuse me but every windows phone runs amazing and yes i read reviews for ics but android is still android and over time it will run like crap. I owned an android and used it now i am on windows phone and loving it. I dont think i can go back to android. IOS sells very well so i dont think you can say it "sucks" but the interface is still quite boring and i would never get an "i" device.
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Wether ICS will "run like crap" (your speculation)with some time/usage or not does not matter. What matters is it will be yet another major update to the OS, enough to pull in more new customers and prompt people that like signing contracts to re-up.
Previously everyone speculated that Mango and its 500 features was going to slaughter all the other mobile os's. When that didn't happen, the rumor mill turned to "when we get some cool hardware" we will slaughter ios/bb/android.
I belive the post above mine mentiones a girl saying wp7 is "ugly".. while she prefers the 3 deminsional ios icons, and lots of them. I've heard other people call wp7 "flat" before, but this is the first mention on xda. The changes wp7 is going to have to have will include a visually stunning CHANGE from the current setup. New customers have seen it, for over a year now. If mango, new nokia phones, and another small update isn't the right lure, what is ?
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Wether ICS will "run like crap" (your speculation)with some time/usage or not does not matter. What matters is it will be yet another major update to the OS, enough to pull in more new customers and prompt people that like signing contracts to re-up.
Previously everyone speculated that Mango and its 500 features was going to slaughter all the other mobile os's. When that didn't happen, the rumor mill turned to "when we get some cool hardware" we will slaughter ios/bb/android.
I belive the post above mine mentiones a girl saying wp7 is "ugly".. while she prefers the 3 deminsional ios icons, and lots of them. I've heard other people call wp7 "flat" before, but this is the first mention on xda. The changes wp7 is going to have to have will include a visually stunning CHANGE from the current setup. New customers have seen it, for over a year now. If mango, new nokia phones, and another small update isn't the right lure, what is ?
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why do you spend all day here if you hate wp7 and dont even own one?
Get a life....
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If mango, new nokia phones, and another small update isn't the right lure, what is ?
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Advertising. They have really got to create interest, create a desirable image, or tout features that the others do not have.......
You know, stuff like...
A group of business people outdoors on a jobsite going over something. There is a problem, and people in the group begin fumbling with obvious androids and iphones and computers trying to get the information. Zoom in on the pretty woman with the windows phone who opens excel, grabs the info, edits it, and then becomes the hero of the situation while showing the others the information. Someone will say, "what kind of phone is that", and then Cue the "Windows Phone 7" logo.
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Two college students are walking toward a mall, they see three pretty girls. "We should call Shaun to meet up with us", one says. "Yeah right", says the other, "he's probably gaming on his xbox". "I'll text him and see if he can come", cue the image him texting in the background. In the foreground, close up on the windows phone 7, hit xbox live, and him messaging and getting a reply. Zoom back in on the texter who says, "he didn't reply". The Winphone7 user says, "he'll be here in 15 minutes". "How do you know that?" the first clueless student says..... Cue the Windows Phone 7 logo.
They have got to advertise. I am expecting a blitz when they launch the Nokia phones here in America. We will see
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I was showing a female friend my HD7 the other day and i could not believe it when she said the interface was cluttered and ugly, this coming from some one who owns and iPhone 4. The iphone GUI was cutting edge when it came out but endless pages of applications that offer no information rather then the occasion number to indicate an event is rather outdated. Although Live tiles have not been implement as well i and most probably Microsoft would of hoped.
Her only problem with the WP7 interface was that is scrolls down, to be honest i would not be surprised if they change this in a future update to co inside with all the other metro UI offerings. I love my HD7 but i agree Microsoft has to really pick up the ball and significantly increase its list of features and specifications if they want to compete.
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Sad but true. People are just not open to change. I showed my phone to several friends. The ones using Symbian were instantly amazed, but the ones who had used Android found it ugly. As if a sea of confusing icons is the only way a UI should look like. They say, "S**t, you can't theme it to something different?"
I can only feel sad for their lack of understanding. I owned a Nexus S, and i am just not going back to it.