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An AT&T Short Story Experience

So, I went to my local AT&T to see if screen protectors were in yet for the Samsung Focus S and also asked if they had the Titan to which the rep replied "No and No." Now, keep in mind that the AT&T wp7 lineup was in the cut of the store hidden within a mass of other Androids. So, being the WP7 hype man I tend to be, I had to have a chat. Below is the convo:
"I really wish you all promoted your WP7 phones more BC they are amazing."
"Yeah, well I HATE the wp7 devices and couldn't wait to get rid of the focus I had," she replied.
"How could u hate it? I had the focus and it was a really great phone. I mean, you can't tell me the features it has aren't pretty freakin cool," I replied while clicking on my wife's tile to show her the immediate options it had.
"Yeah, I know what they do. I just didn't and don't like it. I feel like wp7 is just trying too hard to be like Android. I mean, it doesn't even have close to any of the popular apps that the Android has," she said
"Actually, they have a great selection of many of the most popular apps."
"You're serious? Come on, I mean, they don't even have the most popular app in the world, Angry Birds," she said followed by a smug-filled laugh.
"Uhhh, sorry to be the one to break this to you, but the windows phone got Angry Birds back in June"
"Well, it wasn't there when I had it. Either way, the windows phone will aways be playing catch-up to the iPhone and Android. That's just my opinion."
"It's cool to think whatever you want, but dont you think you should be a little less bias to a particular device when you are supposed to be selling/promoting multiple brands?"
"I'm not bias, sir. I tell every customer about all our phones."
"But, you didnt even know Angry Birds was on wp7, which has been available for almost 1/2 a year. If I were looking to buy my 1st smartphone and told you I liked the Samsung Focus S, but that I would only buy it if it had Angry Birds, you would have diverted me elsewhere based off inaccurate information."
"That's untrue"
"OK...thanks anyways"
And, folks, that's why Microsoft has had so mucn trouble selling their OS. Too many talented (insert sarcasm) wireless reps giving bad info

It's a growing theme, yesterday was launch day for the supposed partner of WP7, yet 80% of the stores didn't have any, 95% of the staff hadn't heard of it (one poster said an AT&T rep told them it was a Verizon exclusive lol), and most still tried to sell people iPhones and androids.

webbstar842 said:
So, I went to my local AT&T to see if screen protectors were in yet for the Samsung Focus S and also asked if they had the Titan to which the rep replied "No and No." Now, keep in mind that the AT&T wp7 lineup was in the cut of the store hidden within a mass of other Androids. So, being the WP7 hype man I tend to be, I had to have a chat. Below is the convo:
"I really wish you all promoted your WP7 phones more BC they are amazing."
"Yeah, well I HATE the wp7 devices and couldn't wait to get rid of the focus I had," she replied.
"How could u hate it? I had the focus and it was a really great phone. I mean, you can't tell me the features it has aren't pretty freakin cool," I replied while clicking on my wife's tile to show her the immediate options it had.
"Yeah, I know what they do. I just didn't and don't like it. I feel like wp7 is just trying too hard to be like Android. I mean, it doesn't even have close to any of the popular apps that the Android has," she said
"Actually, they have a great selection of many of the most popular apps."
"You're serious? Come on, I mean, they don't even have the most popular app in the world, Angry Birds," she said followed by a smug-filled laugh.
"Uhhh, sorry to be the one to break this to you, but the windows phone got Angry Birds back in June"
"Well, it wasn't there when I had it. Either way, the windows phone will aways be playing catch-up to the iPhone and Android. That's just my opinion."
"It's cool to think whatever you want, but dont you think you should be a little less bias to a particular device when you are supposed to be selling/promoting multiple brands?"
"I'm not bias, sir. I tell every customer about all our phones."
"But, you didnt even know Angry Birds was on wp7, which has been available for almost 1/2 a year. If I were looking to buy my 1st smartphone and told you I liked the Samsung Focus S, but that I would only buy it if it had Angry Birds, you would have diverted me elsewhere based off inaccurate information."
"That's untrue"
"OK...thanks anyways"
And, folks, that's why Microsoft has had so mucn trouble selling their OS. Too many talented (insert sarcasm) wireless reps giving bad info
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Why don't you apply for a job at AT&T Wireless?
You can kill a few birds at the same time, and set an example here - then many of your fellow wp7 fans would follow...
Obviously, *****ing and moaning about it in the forums has little effect, the situation is as dire as it was exactly one year ago when wp7 hit the market.
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....a fandroid has wandered into the WP section again trolling....what a surprise. I guess I should wander over there and say it doesn't matter, Microsoft is pimping ****ty, lagging, hanging, crashing trash that is Android.

Dr.8820 said:
It's a growing theme, yesterday was launch day for the supposed partner of WP7, yet 80% of the stores didn't have any, 95% of the staff hadn't heard of it (one poster said an AT&T rep told them it was a Verizon exclusive lol), and most still tried to sell people iPhones and androids.
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Same thing happened with the focus s launch in chicago and I posted my thoughts about it
And the lack of fanfare for any other place not named new york
http://www.wpsauce.com/2011/11/editorial-windows-phone-art-thou.html
Right now, the advertising budget, the blitz, I see it in Europe and very strong. But in America, it's dryer than...well a dry hump. It's rather bad

Though when you think of it, android had the same thing against iPhone, and in the end popularity won it favor.
I'm sure over time wp7 will have the same thing happen

lqaddict said:
Why don't you apply for a job at AT&T Wireless?
You can kill a few birds at the same time, and set an example here - then many of your fellow wp7 fans would follow...
Obviously, *****ing and moaning about it in the forums has little effect, the situation is as dire as it was exactly one year ago when wp7 hit the market.
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Nice snipe pal, you really are a keyboard warrior.
One question though, are the droid forums really that boring that you have to come here to take pointless pot shots at others? i mean the guy was only trying to make a point about the marketing of a product.................. Mother would be proud.

This type of thing happens all the time, and will continue to until MS, or OEMs start marketing the phone properly. The more people see these commercials and ads the more they will ask in stores about the phones, forcing lazy reps like that one to actually do their homework. At this point, she barely ever has to answers questions about the phone so she has no need to do her job right.

XDA Developer members would make the best Sales reps

At this point, its more than a marketing problem.

lqaddict:
I didn't realize I was *****ing and moaning. But, yeah, great idea. In fact, how about this, I'll drop out of medical school to join AT&T. And, then I'll work hard so that I'm promoted into corporate and then CEO, at which point I'll make sure that whatever new device you personally buy is discontinued just so you can continue to be as angry at the world as you already are at this present moment in your unfortunate existence.
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webbstar842 said:
So, I went to my local AT&T to see if screen protectors were in yet for the Samsung Focus S and also asked if they had the Titan to which the rep replied "No and No." Now, keep in mind that the AT&T wp7 lineup was in the cut of the store hidden within a mass of other Androids. So, being the WP7 hype man I tend to be, I had to have a chat. Below is the convo:
"I really wish you all promoted your WP7 phones more BC they are amazing."
"Yeah, well I HATE the wp7 devices and couldn't wait to get rid of the focus I had," she replied.
"How could u hate it? I had the focus and it was a really great phone. I mean, you can't tell me the features it has aren't pretty freakin cool," I replied while clicking on my wife's tile to show her the immediate options it had.
"Yeah, I know what they do. I just didn't and don't like it. I feel like wp7 is just trying too hard to be like Android. I mean, it doesn't even have close to any of the popular apps that the Android has," she said
"Actually, they have a great selection of many of the most popular apps."
"You're serious? Come on, I mean, they don't even have the most popular app in the world, Angry Birds," she said followed by a smug-filled laugh.
"Uhhh, sorry to be the one to break this to you, but the windows phone got Angry Birds back in June"
"Well, it wasn't there when I had it. Either way, the windows phone will aways be playing catch-up to the iPhone and Android. That's just my opinion."
"It's cool to think whatever you want, but dont you think you should be a little less bias to a particular device when you are supposed to be selling/promoting multiple brands?"
"I'm not bias, sir. I tell every customer about all our phones."
"But, you didnt even know Angry Birds was on wp7, which has been available for almost 1/2 a year. If I were looking to buy my 1st smartphone and told you I liked the Samsung Focus S, but that I would only buy it if it had Angry Birds, you would have diverted me elsewhere based off inaccurate information."
"That's untrue"
"OK...thanks anyways"
And, folks, that's why Microsoft has had so mucn trouble selling their OS. Too many talented (insert sarcasm) wireless reps giving bad info
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Thanks...this is almost the exact same experience I had. Funny that both were girls, because I thought that they'd appreciate the UI even more than most guys (of the six WP7 users that I've converted, 4 of them have been women).
Anyway, mine was over the summer, and she had the Focus and said "I can't wait to get rid of this thing." A particularly weird comment to make to me, a customer who had just walked in and asked to buy a Focus for my wife, no questions asked, because I loved mine so much.
She went on and on about how much Facebook sucked on the Focus, but couldn't even tell me if she was talking about the Facebook integration or the app itself.
I was getting too irritated, and was close to asking for another salesperson (the one who sold me my Focus wasn't there, but he was stoked about WP7 and was excited to buy the Surround for himself), so I didn't pursue questioning her further about why she hated her WP7 so much.
On a side note, my 18 year old stepsister is one of those people I converted, and she hated her WP7 at first too, because it didn't do all the things her friends were doing on Android—custom ringtones, swype, video MMS, etc. etc. Fast forward almost a year, and she absolutely LOVES her Focus and totally stunts it in front of her friends.

vetvito said:
At this point, its more than a marketing problem.
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its a lot of things but many of the issues (carrier biases, lacking promotion, PRICING) is really hurting Windows Phone

Proper marketing can do wonders for any product.

StriderNo9 said:
Proper marketing can do wonders for any product.
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they should be airing that fan made wp7 commercial..
The thing was freaking brilliant

They've been marketing for a year straight, free xboxes, discounted phones, constant ads, tons of sponsorships. What more do you want?

vetvito said:
They've been marketing for a year straight, free xboxes, discounted phones, constant ads, tons of sponsorships. What more do you want?
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I haven't seen a single commercial or ad.

It is amazing and sad at the same time how many ignorant mobile phone sales reps are out there in these stores.
Its almost as if its a plot to gradually wipe the phone out of existence but I don't think there's any stopping this phone.
I have said before, if you go to most carriers website, WP7 products have the highest ratings. We have hit over 1,000,000 likes on facebook, and with Nokia and Samsung getting on the action more, it MUST succeed!

Dr.8820 said:
....a fandroid has wandered into the WP section again trolling....what a surprise. I guess I should wander over there and say it doesn't matter, Microsoft is pimping ****ty, lagging, hanging, crashing trash that is Android.
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You can call me whatever you like, I find it hypocritical to turn your blind eye on and call whoever disagrees with your views fan*
creamy said:
Nice snipe pal, you really are a keyboard warrior.
One question though, are the droid forums really that boring that you have to come here to take pointless pot shots at others? i mean the guy was only trying to make a point about the marketing of a product.................. Mother would be proud.
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As I said, there is more crying about the whole thing than actual actions - it's like MSFT turns back on all of their fans - announce $500 million budget on marketing at launch, and make it a no show.
webbstar842 said:
lqaddict:
I didn't realize I was *****ing and moaning. But, yeah, great idea. In fact, how about this, I'll drop out of medical school to join AT&T. And, then I'll work hard so that I'm promoted into corporate and then CEO, at which point I'll make sure that whatever new device you personally buy is discontinued just so you can continue to be as angry at the world as you already are at this present moment in your unfortunate existence.
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As I said it's the same story as the last year.
You can call me whatever, but I find it pretty hypocritical to not accept outsiders, and not consider their opinion. If you want your platform to succeed you should change the attitude towards outsiders.
A personal revenge, i.e. I'll make sure that whatever new device you personally buy is discontinued just so you can continue to be as angry at the world as you already are at this present moment in your unfortunate existence., will not get your brownie points as a CEO.

In a way I like owning a phone that not everyone and their dog has...
Makes people more impressed when they actually see it, and I don't feel like a sheepie lol

My friend reason for leaving Android for The IPhone 4s lol

Here is our text chat on his reason. What y'all think?
(Him) Just sold the evos 3d for $300 a piece
(Me)Online?
(Him)Yep
(Me) So you down grading to the ifail 4s.
(Him) I love it better than android. For someone that had android first
(Me) Tell me what you love about it.
(Him) It works when I need it. Plus my laptop iPad and phone can be sync together It's easier to use The apps are better made And more stable
From the official iPhone killer.

The only valid reason is the sync between Ipad,MacBook,iPhone
Otherwise its not, the quality of the apps is dependent on the app developer, and they both work and do about the same things.
I don't mind people preferring iOS, I don't but if he does that's fine.
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In ten seconds. Apple +1 Android +20
Let us know how many days he lasted until he returned his iPhone and got back on android.

I raised the same close community circle question before i got rid of my Photon and ultimately got this awesome E4GT. Should I look at the iPhone or stick with Android
One acquaintance's argument for getting his iPhone was "because it just works"...I couldn't respond to that meat filled rock solid argument, so I got the E4GT.
In the end it is certainly preference between how the device will scale over time and I would get bored with an app drawer interface real quick!

I like to compare iPhones and Androids in the same manner as I would compare model airplanes. One one hand, you have the Snap-It model airplanes (iPhone) that are easy, you don't have to use glue, virtually no skill is needed, and it looks like it does on the box, as the manufacturer intended, it just works. I like them for their simplicity.
On the other hand, you have higher level model airplanes that require some knowledge of cutting, sanding, gluing, and attention to detail (Android). In the hands of someone skilled (like many on this forum), it will pretty much substitute for the real thing after you've added all of the custom touches. I like them for the patience needed to fine tune every detail.
Of course, there are those in the middle who like a little bit easy, but also like to feel as if they've actually done something worth their while (iPhone jailbreakers, beginning rooters). These can go either way, they can look really good, or they can look like garbage. Two different worlds, two different crowds.

phatmanxxl said:
In ten seconds. Apple +1 Android +20
Let us know how many days he lasted until he returned his iPhone and got back on android.
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It's been a week since he wasted his money and downgrading. So I will see and let you know
From the official iPhone killer.

Jye75 said:
I like to compare iPhones and Androids in the same manner as I would compare model airplanes. One one hand, you have the Snap-It model airplanes (iPhone) that are easy, you don't have to use glue, virtually no skill is needed, and it looks like it does on the box, as the manufacturer intended, it just works. I like them for their simplicity.
On the other hand, you have higher level model airplanes that require some knowledge of cutting, sanding, gluing, and attention to detail (Android). In the hands of someone skilled (like many on this forum), it will pretty much substitute for the real thing after you've added all of the custom touches. I like them for the patience needed to fine tune every detail.
Of course, there are those in the middle who like a little bit easy, but also like to feel as if they've actually done something worth their while (iPhone jailbreakers, beginning rooters). These can go either way, they can look really good, or they can look like garbage. Two different worlds, two different crowds.
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Good analogy.

phatmanxxl said:
Good analogy.
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I second that, well done on the analogy.

A guy sold his saws-all and got a hand saw, I asked him why he said "It just works"
Its like throwing out the bait caster reel (yes there is a learning curve) and using a bamboo rod to fish, meh "It just works"
"It just works" is a reason when you have no reason.

I hope they have a healthy credit card (for the app store) and good eyesight (screen). That's what it boiled down to for me. You should start laying wagers on how long it will take until they come back to Android.

If the iPhone works better for him, then great. It is a phone, not a competition. There is no reason to be offended if someone likes a different phone than you.
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"it just works" is a pretty valid excuse for any idiot to purchase an iphone.

Jye75 said:
I like to compare iPhones and Androids in the same manner as I would compare model airplanes. One one hand, you have the Snap-It model airplanes (iPhone) that are easy, you don't have to use glue, virtually no skill is needed, and it looks like it does on the box, as the manufacturer intended, it just works. I like them for their simplicity.
On the other hand, you have higher level model airplanes that require some knowledge of cutting, sanding, gluing, and attention to detail (Android). In the hands of someone skilled (like many on this forum), it will pretty much substitute for the real thing after you've added all of the custom touches. I like them for the patience needed to fine tune every detail.
Of course, there are those in the middle who like a little bit easy, but also like to feel as if they've actually done something worth their while (iPhone jailbreakers, beginning rooters). These can go either way, they can look really good, or they can look like garbage. Two different worlds, two different crowds.
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Can not be explained any better!
+1
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cnstarz said:
"it just works" is a pretty valid excuse for any idiot to purchase an iphone.
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To add to that, some people prefer iPhone bcoz its easy to use. Well if they think they are children/90 year olds then surely iPhone is great for them!
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Its funny my 3 year old daughter knows her way around mine and her sisters' android phones.

I played around with my brother ifail it feels to restricted to me. Can't do half the basic things my epic can do. The fact it has a only built in battery is a no no for me. I can't see my self ever owing an ifail. Apple is just a phone wanting to be an Android.
From the official iPhone killer.

Well He is correct about the sync smoothness. Everything iCrap makes has seamless sync. Thats all iCrap has going for it compared to Android. Not to mention the proprietarinism of iCrap.
BTW, ask him what does he do when he needs more ROM or a replacement battery. Also ask him how many Widgets he is using.

rdisanza said:
BTW, ask him what does he do when he needs more ROM or a replacement battery. Also ask him how many Widgets he is using.
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this is stupid because he obviously doesn't have a care in the world about roms, widgets, or replacement batteries. not a single **** is given.

i get faster data speeds than iphone than the epic touch. Something is wrong with the modem/radio on the touch
Honestly, from switching over to the iphone 4s this past weekend, iphone 5 here i come.

cnstarz said:
this is stupid because he obviously doesn't have a care in the world about roms, widgets, or replacement batteries. not a single **** is given.
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when he said ROM, i think he meant Read-Only Memory (storage space).
this is a huge issue at my sprint store. people bringing back 16GB iphones constantly, "doesn't hold as much as my android did, need a bigger iPhone"
i don't take offense when people want an iPhone. it is a very well built device. but i do have a few problems with their decisions
1. It is NEVER based on fact. its based on whats popular, how awesome their friends told them it was. same with the htc evo. it was a great phone no doubt, but FACTUALLY, the samsung epic 4g had better hardware. people just knew the evo name.
2. I ask each and every customer what the reason is for choosing the iPhone, so that we may determine together what is the best choice for them. the ONLY viable reason, "i already own a mac and an iPad". Wonderful, let me ring that up for you. if you already have heavily invested into the Apple Ecosystem, there is no reason to have an android. but most of them dont have one. its cool? thats a pretty hefty investment for cool...
3. "it just works" or "it doesn't have any problems". FALSE. last week, i had a customer tell me his iphone was superior to my E4GT because "iphones NEVER freeze, but every android ive seen does". The argument was concluded in .08 seconds on google. every device has its problems. at my store, there have been MORE iphone problems than E4GT problems (we are also a repair store). at a sister store, just the opposite. so "working better" is NOT a valid argument...
4. Apple's business ethics rival that of Enron. a poster said earlier that its not a competition. you're right, because apple CANT compete. you can gauge their level of fear in relation to the lawsuits and doctored photos they have. how many lawsuits between samsung lg htc motorola? they just try to outperform... not put each other out of business. and if they DID put each other out of business, it would be ''may the best man win''. not, ''shut em down because im scared to lose sales''.
5. finally, if youre ok getting on board with a completely closed OS, thats fine. but then, my average customer, wants to know how to make their iphone do what their buddys s2, RAZR, or htc can do. (see uninformed decision). i just dont want anyone telling ME what to do with MY stuff once ive paid for it. would you buy a tv from a company that told you what channels to watch? i wouldnt. but if so, get an Apple TV LOL
/rant
have a great day!

Suck it apple

http://www.acsyndicate.net/samsung-strikes-back/
Apple just give up the IPHONE sucks deal with it.

Well while we're on this topic here's another blow against Apple via Motorola/Google
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...kes/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews
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eao1991 said:
Well while we're on this topic here's another blow against Apple via Motorola/Google
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...kes/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews
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I like this one better
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Nice I hate apple. I never buy their junk. Wonder how the ifail 5 will be oh yeah that's right pretty much exactly like the ifail 4****
Apple just give up the IPHONE sucks deal with it.

blackdragon79 said:
http://www.acsyndicate.net/samsung-strikes-back/
Apple just give up the IPHONE sucks deal with it.
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This means nothing. Acsyndicate.net means nothing to me, or anyone at all.

blackdragon79 said:
Nice I hate apple. I never buy their junk. Wonder how the ifail 5 will be oh yeah that's right pretty much exactly like the ifail 4****
Apple just give up the IPHONE sucks deal with it.
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I believe the correct name would be the ifail 4ss
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I wouldn't care who gets sued but the evil empire(apple) brought this and all the suits coming their way especially the one from Motorola/ Google. Apple should have just asked for a small licensing fee and made things easy and reaped the benefits of androids growth instead of making this spectacle and pretty much making them the bad guy in most tech peoples eyes.
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damn, you crazies are angry! I mean seriously, the "butter project" should just about be as fluid as ios 5.
but apple is nice for some folk, like my wife. She can't brick it so i don't have to fix it!
BTW, you realize that even if Apple didn't sue the crap out of every phone manufacturer, the savings would not be passed along to you as the consumer. Samsung, HTC and Motorola would still price mirror the competition and profit. Also, the only people actually winning in these BS lawsuits are the douchebag lawyers, not you and Android.
Come on guys, really...

It's hard to change a brainwashed iSheep's mind.

nabbed said:
This means nothing. Acsyndicate.net means nothing to me, or anyone at all.
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I find a lot of accurate information at acs. You can't speak for me ever again!

nabbed said:
This means nothing. Acsyndicate.net means nothing to me, or anyone at all.
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The sodium levels in this post. Lol.
Apple just give up the IPHONE sucks deal with it.

blackdragon79 said:
The sodium levels in this post. Lol.
Apple just give up the IPHONE sucks deal with it.
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I beg to differ. I heavily prefer Android over Iphone, but the Iphone is still really good product. I hate Apple, too.

nabbed said:
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I'm perfectly capable of being able to form my own opinion
Apple just give up the IPHONE sucks deal with it.

blackdragon79 said:
I'm perfectly capable of being able to form my own opinion
Apple just give up the IPHONE sucks deal with it.
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the iPhone was the first. just like Cannondale in mountainbiking

alaman68 said:
the iPhone was the first. just like Cannondale in mountainbiking
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The ifail was the first to do what?
Apple just give up the IPHONE sucks deal with it.

Do apple really have any rights to sue knowing they didn't even have an original design. Apple is a joke and so is the judge presiding over this case.
http://endlessparadigm.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=29488
Apple just give up the IPHONE sucks deal with it.

blackdragon79 said:
The ifail was the first to do what?
Apple just give up the IPHONE sucks deal with it.
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making me crack another beer for this response, and loading another dip! give me five minutes
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blackdragon79 said:
The ifail was the first to do what?
Apple just give up the IPHONE sucks deal with it.
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first off, i hate Yin and Yang discussions but since this is yet ANOTHER "apple sucks" discussion, lets look at it from your point of view. per your quote from endlessparadigm, Samsung released some garbage ass smartphones to compete with blackberry. Well, Apple then said "F U!" because blackberry blows donkey nuts and turned a phone into a smart device and had the actual "phone" as a simple app. By creating a phone function as a simple "application", the true definition of "smart phone" was defined. This device was not based on the phone alone, but additional apps that carried the same presidense for the end user that the phone did.
Because of this presidense, iPhone users began to use their devices on a regular basis for applications outside of the normal, everyday use of a cell phone. these users were downloading guitar tabs, angry birds, etc... to this device as a means of mobile communication through data cells. This exchange of data with other users led to others seeking the same interchangabililty for a "social" outcome.
As you identify our devices today, the majority of what we do is based on communication. whether it be facebook, twitter or sms, those are all simple applications Apple had the BALLS to integrate as core functions of their OS while others waited for someone else to do it, because they didn't believe it could be done.
Quote Frankly OP, if Apple didn't step the game up and did what they did, you would still be updating your Samsung Design.

The whole lawsuit lost its credibility when Apple claimed people would buy a Samsung device thinking it was an iPhone, at that point if I was the judge I would have thrown it out of my courtroom. If a person buys a Samsung phone thinking it's an iPhone then both phones are smarter than that person anyway, you would have to be a complete moron to make that mistake
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alaman68 said:
making me crack another beer for this response, and loading another dip! give me five minutes
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first off, i hate Yin and Yang discussions but since this is yet ANOTHER "apple sucks" discussion, lets look at it from your point of view. per your quote from endlessparadigm, Samsung released some garbage ass smartphones to compete with blackberry. Well, Apple then said "F U!" because blackberry blows donkey nuts and turned a phone into a smart device and had the actual "phone" as a simple app. By creating a phone function as a simple "application", the true definition of "smart phone" was defined. This device was not based on the phone alone, but additional apps that carried the same presidense for the end user that the phone did.
Because of this presidense, iPhone users began to use their devices on a regular basis for applications outside of the normal, everyday use of a cell phone. these users were downloading guitar tabs, angry birds, etc... to this device as a means of mobile communication through data cells. This exchange of data with other users led to others seeking the same interchangabililty for a "social" outcome.
As you identify our devices today, the majority of what we do is based on communication. whether it be facebook, twitter or sms, those are all simple applications Apple had the BALLS to integrate as core functions of their OS while others waited for someone else to do it, because they didn't believe it could be done.
Quote Frankly OP, if Apple didn't step the game up and did what they did, you would still be updating your Samsung Design.
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Yeah, iOS was sort of a pioneer for us. The ORIGINAL touchwiz does seem more or less a copy, but they did grow from that over the years.
The fact of the matter is, if apple wins, they'll have the ego to start going after more and more companies probably even google. Our OS is on the line atm, which is why alot of us our up in arms
I like to think of Apple as republicans, sure they had good intentions at the start, but they let the money and influence get to their heads. Like Republicans now a days, they go after anyone that's not them and kick em in the balls, partially for no right or reason.
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Apple and Republican being compared with similarities LMAO. Thats classic!!
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The iPhone 5: Blah

I've been an Apple user since my parent's bought the first Mac when it debuted; sure I was like 5 but I grew up on Macs.
I've never owned an iPhone but have seriously considered it, researched it and chose Android for a number of reasons. I upgraded to the E4GT last year, most of my friends and family worship at the church of the iPhone and upon seeing the E4GT every single iPhonatic was blown away by how much better it is than their device.
Which brings me to today's announcement: I couldn't be less impressed-- the days of Apple innovation seem like a distant memory. The most impressive thing that Apple showcased today is that it has the world's greatest public relations team; I couldn't be more impressed by their PR machine.
Also, in reading many mainstream news articles about the new iPhone I've seen a plethora of quotes from stock analysts about the device's hardware and design but only a few quotes from tech experts; it's very telling that the only people raving about it are those with a vested interest in seeing the stock price go up.
Look forward to your thoughts and countless "cool story bro" replies ...

Umm in before jay gets here? Lol
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You hit the nail on the head with the lack of innovations. At this point I don't care if they're stolen, just give us something to rave about! Seemed like this iPhone was just another "Let's get it up to par with the current Android devices and work on the real innovation for next year" release. I don't inherently hate Apple. They're responsible for a large chunk of why computing is so integrated into our daily lives. I just miss the days when they were changing them.
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patrao_n said:
Umm in before jay gets here? Lol
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Why would this thread be problematic?

FitChicago said:
Look forward to your thoughts and countless "cool story bro" replies ...
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Why did you even bother posting this? Why not just go to the XDA Iphone site?..
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Umm in before jay gets here? Lol
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Eh, we'd knew it was gonna happen. Even drew a One X Att user in on it.. :silly:
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Why would this thread be problematic?
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You jest right? So you want to see a bunch of silly pictures and all?
Jay or Pappa, please move this to XDA General or lock? Thank you! (can ya even throw it waaaaay over to BigPengs fav XDA Iphone forum?? )

I lawled at the announcement of the iphone5 and this picture describes it all

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Jay or Pappa, please move this to XDA General or lock? Thank you! (can ya even throw it waaaaay over to BigPengs fav XDA Iphone forum?? )
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I thought bigpeng would create this thread
TeAm VeNuM: Choose your pOiSoN

Cool stor....... nvm.
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MoHoGalore said:
Why did you even bother posting this? Why not just go to the XDA Iphone site?..
Eh, we'd knew it was gonna happen. Even drew a One X Att user in on it.. :silly:
You jest right? So you want to see a bunch of silly pictures and all?
Jay or Pappa, please move this to XDA General or lock? Thank you! (can ya even throw it waaaaay over to BigPengs fav XDA Iphone forum?? )
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D1rk said:
I thought bigpeng would create this thread
TeAm VeNuM: Choose your pOiSoN
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iVazn....
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k4p741nkrunch said:
You hit the nail on the head with the lack of innovations. At this point I don't care if they're stolen, just give us something to rave about! Seemed like this iPhone was just another "Let's get it up to par with the current Android devices and work on the real innovation for next year" release. I don't inherently hate Apple. They're responsible for a large chunk of why computing is so integrated into our daily lives. I just miss the days when they were changing them.
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Being a daily Apple user I agree with the above, Apple lost a lot when Steve Jobs died. However I wouldn't say that it is "just bringing it up to the current Android devices." I mean have you seen the hardware on that sucker? It's freaking gorgeous! You get Siri(Which I personally find fun and amusing), Airplay, Airprint, and iCloud which is a pretty nice service for those with Macs. I don't think the iPhone is for everyone, but I never have hesitated to recommend them to non-techies. My $0.02.
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MoHoGalore said:
Why did you even bother posting this? Why not just go to the XDA Iphone site?..
Eh, we'd knew it was gonna happen. Even drew a One X Att user in on it.. :silly:
You jest right? So you want to see a bunch of silly pictures and all?
Jay or Pappa, please move this to XDA General or lock? Thank you! (can ya even throw it waaaaay over to BigPengs fav XDA Iphone forum?? )
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Yeah but it doesn't HAVE to degenerate like that, people just enjoy spamming random crap way too much. I don't see the problem with a little honest discussion on the subject.

k4p741nkrunch said:
You hit the nail on the head with the lack of innovations. At this point I don't care if they're stolen, just give us something to rave about! Seemed like this iPhone was just another "Let's get it up to par with the current Android devices and work on the real innovation for next year" release. I don't inherently hate Apple. They're responsible for a large chunk of why computing is so integrated into our daily lives. I just miss the days when they were changing them.
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Exactly right about Apple "getting up to par" with current Android devices, but IMO I think they failed to do that today. I think the S3 is a better device.
I'd choose my current E4GT running JB with Google Now over the new iPhone and Siri (leaving the 4G LTE out if the evaluation).
Like I said in my OP I've been an Apple fan/user my whole life and don't want this thread to focus on bashing Apple rather look at the real facts beyond the world's best hype machine.

I actually like the iPhone 5. Sadly it isn't exciting. It isn't like. ERMAHGERD ERPHERN5, its just boring besides small changes..
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FitChicago said:
Exactly right about Apple "getting up to par" with current Android devices, but IMO I think they failed to do that today. I think the S3 is a better device.
I'd choose my current E4GT running JB with Google Now over the new iPhone and Siri (leaving the 4G LTE out if the evaluation).
Like I said in my OP I've been an Apple fan/user my whole life and don't want this thread to focus on bashing Apple rather look at the real facts beyond the world's best hype machine.
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I'm still not convinced that Google Now is a match for Siri, to me it's comparing Kiwi and lemons. What makes the iPhone stand out is what has always made it standout, the how noob friendly it is, to us geeks who hack our phones it seems outdated and almost childish, but to users like my mom who just want a simple non-customizable phone that does what they tell it too every time the iPhone is perfect. That's always been what Apple is, magnificent hardware(If slightly behind the curve), dumbed down UI, and the sole focus being user experience out of the box.

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Yeah but it doesn't HAVE to degenerate like that, people just enjoy spamming random crap way too much. I don't see the problem with a little honest discussion on the subject.
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While you are correct, when does that happen? And the OP even knew it would with the last sentence in the opening.. Hence my question of why even doing it?
If civility is what he was looking for, then why not go to the place for it?.. But I digress from the OP, so I'll stay on topic..
Op- are you really surprised?

MoHoGalore said:
While you are correct, when does that happen? And the OP even knew it would with the last sentence in the opening.. Hence my question of why even doing it?
If civility is what he was looking for, then why not go to the place for it?.. But I digress from the OP, so I'll stay on topic..
Op- are you really surprised?
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Oh I know what you mean, and he knew what would happen, but I'm still going to do my part to try and keep on-topic and reasonable.

thewadegeek said:
Being a daily Apple user I agree with the above, Apple lost a lot when Steve Jobs died. However I wouldn't say that it is "just bringing it up to the current Android devices." I mean have you seen the hardware on that sucker? It's freaking gorgeous! You get Siri(Which I personally find fun and amusing), Airplay, Airprint, and iCloud which is a pretty nice service for those with Macs. I don't think the iPhone is for everyone, but I never have hesitated to recommend them to non-techies. My $0.02.
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Yeah but it doesn't HAVE to degenerate like that, people just enjoy spamming random crap way too much. I don't see the problem with a little honest discussion on the subject.
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I agree that the hardware is impressive but the integration you mention is only fully realized if you're using a Mac; the majority of customers are Windows users and the integration isn't as seamless- if you've ever run iTunes on a Mac and then used it in a Windows OS you know exactly what I mean. Whereas innovations like Play Music and almost every Google/Android gapps is seamlessly integrated and able to be accessed anywhere.
I am most impressed by Apple's incredible PR team and wonder why Google or Samsung isn't trying to hire every member of Apple's PR staff. A good example of the skills of their team: the same megapixel camera we have had on the E4GT for a year (including our panoramic capabilities) is being hyped as an innovative wow factor.

Wait, i have a question since you wanted a discussion.
How can you say blah when you said you have never owned one and what you know is by paper only?
Take this phone for example. How many people are so impressed by white papers but once they get the phone they then say "blah"?...
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I'm still not convinced that Google Now is a match for Siri, to me it's comparing Kiwi and lemons. What makes the iPhone stand out is what has always made it standout, the how noob friendly it is, to us geeks who hack our phones it seems outdated and almost childish, but to users like my mom who just want a simple non-customizable phone that does what they tell it too every time the iPhone is perfect. That's always been what Apple is, magnificent hardware(If slightly behind the curve), dumbed down UI, and the sole focus being user experience out of the box.
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You're absolutely right about it being noob friendly (just wait until they allow the Jitterbug as a provider offering it LOL).
I do like Google Now but find its true value in the notifications and location based things it alerts me about; but the voice based capabilities are strong but IMO, like siri it's more of a cute thing to play with.

We all know how iPhone threads end up. This is about the 341,952 thread I've had to close today. There is an off topic discussion area to chat about the iPhone related topics, as this will go downhill very fast.
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KitKat?

Anyone else see this KitKat/Android? Good watch!!!

Adam1422 said:
Anyone else see this KitKat/Android? Good watch!!!
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As a rule, American mainstream chocolates are disgustingly sugary confections designed to make you gag.
Please don't break me off a piece of that KitKat Bar. :silly:
How about Android Diabetes Type 1, six months later to be followed by Diabetes Type 2?

Wow someone is cynical...
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Blitzpwnage said:
Wow someone is cynical...
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And why not?
It is an extremely cynical move by two massive megacorp companies (both with troubled ethical histories) betting LOTS of money on people being brainless stupid herdable sheep. Instead of calling me cynical, you should feel a bit affronted at Google....because both these corps are saying very blatantly that they think we consumers are brainless programmable robots who will jump when asked.
Google and Nestle can claim no money was traded hands all they want...but there was quid pro quo, you can bet your entire lifetime earnings and savings there was.

I don't like eating chocolates now a days but Kit Kat is very relatable and very marketable.
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That statement is crap and heres why everyone has a choice to do or in this case eat whatever or however much of somthing too much water is harmful to your health. So please stop saying americans cause like I said everyone has a choice. And for the fact I was born in Jamaica and live in America
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Honestly great marketing ploy. Hope it works out well for both products. I'm not a fan of KitKat. I don't like the crunchy center crap. But hey, why not.
Now if it were Reese's peanut butter cups, now those I love. And it's not even the chocolate of it. It's their peanut butter that I like.
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because both these corps are saying very blatantly that they think we consumers are brainless programmable robots who will jump when asked.
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Ohhh just like Apple, INC. Put it in colors, change a letter and sell another billion of them. Brainless programmable robots will line up for days. If you can't beat them, join them.

Haven't seen a single one yet. All normal kit kat bars in stores.
With the horrible Halloween coming up, all the candy is starting to have a halloween theme. A good idea on google's part, but perhaps poorly timed.

i really hate people using the word "sheep" like they're not one also. we're all sheep, and choose which flock to run with. saying that, real sheep actually care what they call the new os. tech guys shouldn't give a crap what they call it as long as it's offers improvements.

Yeah cause Hershey would just promote android on all of their packages for free...

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i really hate people using the word "sheep" like they're not one also. we're all sheep, and choose which flock to run with. saying that, real sheep actually care what they call the new os. tech guys shouldn't give a crap what they call it as long as it's offers improvements.
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Agree and disagree:
I disagree with you about the sheep analogy. We are not all sheep choosing flocks to follow. Sheep are herd animals and humans are pack animals (at least this used to be true). The iSheep represent the ever growing part of humanity that has made the transformation into herd animals. I, and many of us here, refuse to be transformed by media/advertizing/image consultants into a bleating wooly douchebag. The analogy for those like me would be that of the wolf; a pack animal who, whether alone or with his pack, will divide the herd and eventually bite and eat one of them.
I agree that it doesn't matter what branding Android 4.4 has...I've always referred to version anyway
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chzeckmate said:
Agree and disagree:
I disagree with you about the sheep analogy. We are not all sheep choosing flocks to follow. Sheep are herd animals and humans are pack animals (at least this used to be true). The iSheep represent the ever growing part of humanity that has made the transformation into herd animals. I, and many of us here, refuse to be transformed by media/advertizing/image consultants into a bleating wooly douchebag. The analogy for those like me would be that of the wolf; a pack animal who, whether alone or with his pack, will divide the herd and eventually bite and eat one of them.
I agree that it doesn't matter what branding Android 4.4 has...I've always referred to version anyway
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Like CHZECK said, version and improvements are all that matter. They can call it ANDROID VERSION CRAP 2.0 for all I care, as long as they fix the bugs, improve the user experience and put APPLE out of business, I am happy!

GROOVYJOSH1975 said:
Like CHZECK said, version and improvements are all that matter. They can call it ANDROID VERSION CRAP 2.0 for all I care, as long as they fix the bugs, improve the user experience and put APPLE out of business, I am happy!
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Lol yea if apple went out of business I probably would smile. But I doubt it. Unless all android phone make you feel like your apart of a society than its not happening. The only manufacturer that makes you feel as though your part of a society like apple is Samsung. Which is why I like their phones. People see Iphone. And think upper class, sophistication, and belonging. Which gives them a sense of belonging to a group of elite. I mean who dont want to walk around feeling like their worth a million bucks with year old tech smh. We look at Samsung and see innovation, future, and a sense of belonging to a group of intellectual individuals even though on xda some people make me wonder with questions like whats rooting or a kernel, But they have a profile lol. Since Samsung set a stepping stone on what sales and devices should look like htc, lg and everyone else is really stepping it up. So apple may be in trouble in the future but as of right now. There to many zombies for them to sell to.... my bad for the essay
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I personally don't want to see Apple go out of business. I like competition. I think it actually benefits us consumers.
Personally, I don't think Samsung is the bee's knees or anything, but they do make a few products I enjoy, such as the Galaxy Note series smartphone. My enjoy derives nothing from Apple's products. I like they're Android, are rootable with fair ease, have SD card slots, pullable batteries, and actually make the phablet one of the flagship phones, instead of an after though like many other companies.
I'm not an Apple fan. I don't know about the company now with CEO Cook, but under Jobs reign, they were able to make things people found useful and wanted. I don't think they really came up with many ideas that were original, but found the right delivery of it. Plus, since Apple tries to just make everything work, that's that many less people who's electronics I ultimately end up fixing; it gets irritating always fixing other people's crap because they don't have a clue.

lovekeiiy said:
I personally don't want to see Apple go out of business. I like competition. I think it actually benefits us consumers.
Personally, I don't think Samsung is the bee's knees or anything, but they do make a few products I enjoy, such as the Galaxy Note series smartphone. My enjoy derives nothing from Apple's products. I like they're Android, are rootable with fair ease, have SD card slots, pullable batteries, and actually make the phablet one of the flagship phones, instead of an after though like many other companies.
I'm not an Apple fan. I don't know about the company now with CEO Cook, but under Jobs reign, they were able to make things people found useful and wanted. I don't think they really came up with many ideas that were original, but found the right delivery of it. Plus, since Apple tries to just make everything work, that's that many less people who's electronics I ultimately end up fixing; it gets irritating always fixing other people's crap because they don't have a clue.
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Yea the competition is fun. I use to be an apple fan but I've always been more of a fan of customizations. When android came out I was torn because I mean you could customize a iphone 3g and 3gs at the time when jail broken. But android had launchers icons. Colors, mp3 ringtone makers. Rooting, and constantly adding more features. I actually waited for apples response. Now so many years later. Their finally responding with a more customizable ui its to late. Im done with them. Plus I saw people happy as **** that they could swipe their Iphone cross registers and pay for gas all with nfc enabled I laughed. Only because my S3 was doing that while the Iphone 4 was still on 3g like its 3g/s predecessor. Lol or my e4gt was rocking 4g wimax. It's kinda crazy though because in the tortoise and hare race. Apple the tortoise was winning the race with out dated tech smh. Apple is a cult lol
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lorjay589 said:
yea the competition is fun. I use to be an apple fan but i've always been more of a fan of customizations. When android came out i was torn because i mean you could customize a iphone 3g and 3gs at the time when jail broken. But android had launchers icons. Colors, mp3 ringtone makers. Rooting, and constantly adding more features. I actually waited for apples response. Now so many years later. Their finally responding with a more customizable ui its to late. Im done with them. Plus i saw people happy as **** that they could swipe their iphone cross registers and pay for gas all with nfc enabled i laughed. Only because my s3 was doing that while the iphone 4 was still on 3g like its 3g/s predecessor. Lol or my e4gt was rocking 4g wimax. It's kinda crazy though because in the tortoise and hare race. Apple the tortoise was winning the race with out dated tech smh. Apple is a cult lol
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lol, I hate apple!

Would Samsung be the would with all the rumors about them starting up Tizen and all? But most of what you say I believe is true but forgive the newbies. We all were one once

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Would Samsung be the would with all the rumors about them starting up Tizen and all? But most of what you say I believe is true but forgive the newbies. We all were one once
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Samsung runs the world lol considering that they make tons more stuff than just phones. Everything in my house is Samsung. Only apple I own is in the bottom trey of my fridge and thats even rotten
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