You know when you buy a nice shiny new Nexus, you'd expect to be leading the way in the Android version race...
But what the hell is Google doing with the Galaxy Nexus? Handsets are still at 4.0.1 and 4.0.2... but the Nexus from last year and the Xoom officially have 4.0.3.
Whats up?
player911 said:
You know when you buy a nice shiny new Nexus, you'd expect to be leading the way in the Android version race...
But what the hell is Google doing with the Galaxy Nexus? Handsets are still at 4.0.1 and 4.0.2... but the Nexus from last year and the Xoom officially have 4.0.3.
Whats up?
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That is what the source is for
There are already other threads on this.
The Nexus S OTA isn't even pushed to everyone. It's on hold right now.
The Xoom's ICS push is only for the WiFi version and only for specific people who signed up for it.
Who says that the GN will even get an OTA 4.0.3 update? They may even wait for 4.0.4 or whatever at this point. Who knows. But theres clearly a reason why they're not releasing it. They're not finished and just holding onto it for no reason...
If you really want it that bad you can install a custom ROM based on 4.0.3, or compile it yourself from source and flash it. Or, just wait for the OTA and chill!
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^this right there^
Xoom ICS has gone out to the general pop.
I'm on XDA multiple times a day and never seen an actual thread on this. Yea we have kangs and AOSP but who doesn't. I bought a Nexus to get Android updates as they come out... I'm running 4.0.3 and it isn't a huge deal that it isn't out officially, but why is it rolling out to everyone else BUT US?
Yea 4.0.3 may be more geared with older devices to bring them up to speed... but obviously it isn't hurting the Nexus's unofficially running the 4.0.3 AOSP roms, so why not just throw it down to us? If the Nexus is the developer phone for Google, then 4.0.3 was developed on a new Nexus. Then why don't we have it yet?
Something just seems strang IMO. Having a Nexus One and following the Nexus S, I haven't seen them update an older device BEFORE the current line. Isn't it a little weird that last years model is running a newer version then we are? Some Nexus's are running on 4.0.1. Whats that about?
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I'm on XDA multiple times a day and never seen an actual thread on this. Yea we have kangs and AOSP but who doesn't. I bought a Nexus to get Android updates as they come out... I'm running 4.0.3 and it isn't a huge deal that it isn't out officially, but why is it rolling out to everyone else BUT US?
Yea 4.0.3 may be more geared with older devices to bring them up to speed... but obviously it isn't hurting the Nexus's unofficially running the 4.0.3 AOSP roms, so why not just throw it down to us? If the Nexus is the developer phone for Google, then 4.0.3 was developed on a new Nexus. Then why don't we have it yet?
Something just seems strang IMO. Having a Nexus One and following the Nexus S, I haven't seen them update an older device BEFORE the current line. Isn't it a little weird that last years model is running a newer version then we are? Some Nexus's are running on 4.0.1. Whats that about?
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Totally.My.Thoughts.
One thing I'm curious about: Why on Earth was OTA for SNS halted?! My SNS with 4.0.3 was fine, IMO
If you are going to root and put a rom on your phone why do you honestly care? There are so many threads on this already. No PHONE is being pushed 4.0.3 right now anyways.
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holy hell guys the OTA for the nexus s was halted because they found some bugs during rollout, so they stopped. and they stopped galaxy nexus because of that as well. when they fix the bugs, they will continue the roll out. do you guys think google is doing this on purpose, they want to NOT give our the update to all as some master plan. or the more likely answer, they are fixing serious bugs.
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holy hell guys the OTA for the nexus s was halted because they found some bugs during rollout, so they stopped. and they stopped galaxy nexus because of that as well. when they fix the bugs, they will continue the roll out. do you guys think google is doing this on purpose, they want to NOT give our the update to all as some master plan. or the more likely answer, they are fixing serious bugs.
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Do you know how to read version numbers? 4.0.3 Small release. If it were something like 4.1, ok, but a small release like this...chill out seriously.
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I'm on XDA multiple times a day and never seen an actual thread on this. Yea we have kangs and AOSP but who doesn't. I bought a Nexus to get Android updates as they come out... I'm running 4.0.3 and it isn't a huge deal that it isn't out officially, but why is it rolling out to everyone else BUT US?
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It is out officially.
Build.
It.
Your.
Self.
The difference between a Nexus and every other Android phone is that you can take the LATEST publicly available source code and build a 100% fully functioning ROM with it. No matter how you slice it, you're not going to be able to build a 100% functioning Stock Android build for any other phones. They are hacked together. They are frankenbuilds. Yes other phones have 4.0.3 releases, but none of them are 100% functional. Not sure if you noticed, but for those phones you'll see a list of "what works" and "what doesnt work". For the Nexus phones, you can just build directly from Google's source and it will just work.
See: Nexus S vs Galaxy S. Although the Nexus S and the Galaxy S are identical in almost every way, the Nexus S has had ICS for months now. And you can build 4.0.3 for the Nexus S and it will Just Work.
The Galaxy S ICS releases otoh are FILLED with "known issues" - feel free to check yourself.
Just because it's not an OTA doesn't mean it's not available. You want a pure AOSP build that will be identical to an OTA that Google would push? Just build it yourself.
Something just seems strang IMO. Having a Nexus One and following the Nexus S, I haven't seen them update an older device BEFORE the current line. Isn't it a little weird that last years model is running a newer version then we are? Some Nexus's are running on 4.0.1. Whats that about?
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They updated the Nexus S 4G a few times before they ever rolled out updates to the mainline Nexus S. There's really no rhyme or reason to when they roll out OTAs. If you care so much about having the latest official build though, again, build it yourself from their source code. What else do you think they do? The OTA for 4.0.3 will/would be built from the same identical 1's and 0's, bits, and bytes, that is already available quite openly in the AOSP tree. It's been available for months.
i was on 4.0.1 standard with no OTA updates. doesnt matter because the nexus is made to be customised, and be a developer edition device.
i was happy to flash 4.0.3 and a custom kernel. if you arent, then i think that buying a nexus was not the wisest of decisions.
I think people just want a quality official update direct from Google. Not knocking anything the developers do, but they aren't official builds. I'd rather have something I know Google wants out there running on my phone. For all we know, there are issues with 4.0.3 which is why it hasn't been actually placed on the Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus. Yet, you are so eager to say put it on yourself.
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I would rather wait a little linger for a more stable build.
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I'm on XDA multiple times a day and never seen an actual thread on this. Yea we have kangs and AOSP but who doesn't. I bought a Nexus to get Android updates as they come out... I'm running 4.0.3 and it isn't a huge deal that it isn't out officially, but why is it rolling out to everyone else BUT US?
Yea 4.0.3 may be more geared with older devices to bring them up to speed... but obviously it isn't hurting the Nexus's unofficially running the 4.0.3 AOSP roms, so why not just throw it down to us? If the Nexus is the developer phone for Google, then 4.0.3 was developed on a new Nexus. Then why don't we have it yet?
Something just seems strang IMO. Having a Nexus One and following the Nexus S, I haven't seen them update an older device BEFORE the current line. Isn't it a little weird that last years model is running a newer version then we are? Some Nexus's are running on 4.0.1. Whats that about?
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Could be because of 4g??
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I would rather wait a little linger for a more stable build.
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I've been using Androids since the Eris came out. Seriously, 99% of the time the ROMs/kernels put out by the devs here and on other sites are more stable than the official OTAs by the companies.
And I've been using Android since the G1, minus a small timeout on WP7, and custom ROMs always came with quirks left and right, that in their entirety always managed to piss me off in some way. If they don't do stupid **** in the kernel (I especially like the enabling of Linux kernel features just because they sound nice), they mess around with the userland, trying to improve things into breaking.
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And I've been using Android since the G1, minus a small timeout on WP7, and custom ROMs always came with quirks left and right, that in their entirety always managed to piss me off in some way. If they don't do stupid **** in the kernel (I especially like the enabling of Linux kernel features just because they sound nice), they mess around with the userland, trying to improve things into breaking.
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Google tells you how and what to build a completely untouched version of their code. If that bugs ya, and is not official enough for ya, then you are missing the point of this device. The device is officially supported by AOSP for yakju and mysid. If the idea of a source built rom bugs you just because its not on a Google sanctioned buildbox, then thats a shame.
I understand what you are saying about customized builds, but its easy to make a completely stock Google approved experience. Download source, setup vendor, and then make. Then you can use fastboot to flash. No need for clockwork, no need for root. If there is a demand for this, I would be happy to make both maguro and toro builds. I won't even root them and they will be odexed.
Once i get some time i plan on compiling myself a fully stock ics rom. Cause i can and that is the point of this stupid thing.
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That we would get OS updates rolled out pretty much as soon as they are released. So why are we waiting for an "official" release for 4.0.3 to make it's way to the Verizon LTE device?
Verizon is probably testing it to make sure it's reliable and fixes the signal hand off.
There are reportedly problems with the 4.3 update that's been going out else where. They have temporarily suspended it. Also, there is an additional update for the LTE version (assuming that's the one you have), so it may be delayed.
Patience. Not all the galaxy S's are updated simultaneously, there still needs to be approval from the carrier, even though it's a google phone.
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Maybe for you since apparently you know everything but for those of us who have never had a Nexus device like myself, I've already learned a few things from some helpful replies.
Bought the phone expecting excellent dev support and that's exactly what I'm getting couldn't be any happier with this purchase
Wow, really have no patience eh?
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Bought the phone expecting excellent dev support and that's exactly what I'm getting couldn't be any happier with this purchase
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Could not have put it any better....
I don't think 4.0.3 has even rolled out for the GSM Galaxy Nexus, let alone the LTE one. It's rolling out to the Nexus S right now, so I'm sure the Galaxy Nexus will get it by the end of the month, or early January (it is the holidays you know).
i must admit i found it a little odd that even the GSM GN is only on 4.0.2 and the same day basically the nexus S was updated to 4.0.3, seems maybe something was wrong with the 4.0.3 update making it take a little longer for the GN
i expected:
-no fragmentation
-insta-updates
-google products to work
i dislike that there are multiple builds out; that google only promotes the verizon copy; that it is manufacturer and phone provider-branded; that google's own WALLET app is not officially supported (atleast on GSM)
its beginning to seem less and less "google-like"
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i expected:
-no fragmentation
-insta-updates
-google products to work
i dislike that there are multiple builds out; that google only promotes the verizon copy; that it is manufacturer and phone provider-branded; that google's own WALLET app is not officially supported (atleast on GSM)
its beginning to seem less and less "google-like"
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Updates are region specific as basebands vary by region based on what frequency bands are used. Only 1 nexus device supports Google Wallet. The NS4G. The original NS doesn't even support wallet officially. Your complains are kind of invalid.
4.0.3 has battery drain issues and supposedly Google pulled that ota. Also the ns4g hasn't even got the ics ota yet...
I guess you can call it fragmentation but devs always compile the latest roms anyways. Iono it'd not a big deal for me lol
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105437 said:
Maybe for you since apparently you know everything but for those of us who have never had a Nexus device like myself, I've already learned a few things from some helpful replies.
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I've never owned a nexus device before. Please, read my signature.
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I'm GSM and 4.0.1. No biggie.
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Apologies... I'm not being impatient about getting updates etc. It seems my expectations for a Nexus device were set unrealistically by other information I read prior to purchasing the Nexus. After reading what people have said in this thread I have a better understanding of what to expect.
Anyway, thanks.
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Apologies... I'm not being impatient about getting updates etc. It seems my expectations for a Nexus device were set unrealistically by other information I read prior to purchasing the Nexus. After reading what people have said in this thread I have a better understanding of what to expect.
Anyway, thanks.
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please bear in mind, regardless, you will always be the first to get the latest update from google.
question is, people seems to be able to wait for days, not weeks, where as we all know, it does takes weeks for google to release a update.
but in comparison to other manufacturer, we are talking about months in oppose to weeks.
your choice.
As said already. You are taing about days or weeks. Where as all other phones you are talking a few months.
Looks like P3Droid has 4.0.4, thought I'd make a thread for any news
http://yfrog.com/o0s6wlp
Not enough proof, it's way too easy to modify that. I can open up my build.prop and change my Android version to Android 6.0 and call it news.
1. It's a custom ROM. So I doubt someone would make a custom ROM off a unreleased Android build (Tranquilice)
2. Kernel version 3.0.8 ----- custom kernel; not compiled by Google
3. Deodexed ROM (battery is not stock)
4. Blocked out baseband. If he didn't block it out and it had a new baseband, this may be somewhat proof.
P3Droid is usually money... 4.0.4 has to come out sometime.. dont rush tho!
Love the title of the picture. P3droid must be losing his attention in the spotlight. Every time drama or his fame dies down...
Look what I have. Neener, neener. You can't have it.
P3Droid is a huge attention seeker and known troll. If I recall, he charged (or still does) for ROM leaks. That right there says a lot about his reputation.
P3Droid is a troll. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't edit his build.prop
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P3Droid is a huge attention seeker and known troll. If I recall, he charged (or still does) for ROM leaks. That right there says a lot about his reputation.
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He charges for an app to get the leaks on your phone. But he also posts them free on MDW. He normally never lies bit has been known for drama.
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Well knowing that the Nexus S already has gotten an official 4.0.3 rom, and the latest and greatest Galaxy Nexus hasn't... tells me something maybe off with 4.0.3 on our phones.
If 4.0.3 worked without issue, we would have gotten it first (you'd think). Or perhaps 4.0.3 was geared primarily for older phones porting in. Maybe that's why we're seeing a greater speed boost with existing apps.
I don't know if 4.0.4 is ready or not but I do find it odd that 4.0.3 is in the wild but we haven't gotten it officially.
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Well knowing that the Nexus S already has gotten an official 4.0.3 rom, and the latest and greatest Galaxy Nexus hasn't... tells me something maybe off with 4.0.3 on our phones.
If 4.0.3 worked without issue, we would have gotten it first (you'd think). Or perhaps 4.0.3 was geared primarily for older phones porting in. Maybe that's why we're seeing a greater speed boost with existing apps.
I don't know if 4.0.4 is ready or not but I do find it odd that 4.0.3 is in the wild but we haven't gotten it officially.
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4.0.3 OTA was halted by Google for the Nexus S. It's not in OTA anymore.
http://androidcommunity.com/samsung-nexus-s-ice-cream-sandwich-update-possibly-delayed-20111220/
Just read this. Looks like 4.0.5 may be out in a month or so. Wonder if 4.0.4 was just a test build maybe? Doesnt make sense that 4.0.5 will be coming out so soon after 4.0.5 was leaked.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...e-galaxy-sii-and-htc-sensation-in-march-2012/
Possibly ... why not?
cdma version update again? gsm has been abandoned?
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cdma version update again? gsm has been abandoned?
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Read the article. It is for the GSM version.
If this 4.0.5 update is real, I really hope Google has time to update the Android repos this time. Seriously.
It's embarrassing seeing Google promote the Nexus as the open phone and then release binary updates with no source attached, like it did with 4.0.4.
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If this 4.0.5 update is real, I really hope Google has time to update the Android repos this time. Seriously.
It's embarrassing seeing Google promote the Nexus as the open phone and then release binary updates with no source attached, like it did with 4.0.4.
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Oh ffs, 4.0.4 hasn't OFFICIALLY been released yet.
Exactly. It was a leak.
Couple things here.
SFR is the only company reporting it and has been before 4.0.4 was discovered.
Anyone find it funny a carrier announcing a software version for a carrier unlocked device?
Its not impossible as this is a Nexus device. It is unlikely though. Maybe its a typo? 4.0.3 was labeled as 4.1 on the repos at one point on accident. It shows in the commits.
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Couple things here.
SFR is the only company reporting it and has been before 4.0.4 was discovered.
Anyone find it funny a carrier announcing a software version for a carrier unlocked device?
Its not impossible as this is a Nexus device. It is unlikely though. Maybe its a typo? 4.0.3 was labeled as 4.1 on the repos at one point on accident. It shows in the commits.
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Yes, I do not see why a carrier would claim to be rolling out a developer device ota, my bet is that it is listed by accident as its not their job to update, still think it may hint to 4.0.5 though, misadvertised or not
4.0.4 looked like a nice fix in a few places, but never was a complete rom, hope to see 4.0.5 as a nice full release to play with
4.0.4 seems to be for LTE only so maby 4.0.5 will be the GSM version.
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Tjotte said:
4.0.4 seems to be for LTE only so maby 4.0.5 will be the GSM version.
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Eh, I don't know, from what I have heard 4.0.3 was supposedly for the GSM Nexus so theoretically 4.0.4 should be Google catching them up so 4.0.5 should be for both....
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Eh, I don't know, from what I have heard 4.0.3 was supposedly for the GSM Nexus so theoretically 4.0.4 should be Google catching them up so 4.0.5 should be for both....
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I've never read that.
4.0.3 was the official platform release
it was the release for the galaxy S
Everyone assumed it would come to the gnex because why wouldn't it but obviously google wanted to fix a slew of issues first.
To be honest I couldn't care less what version gets released as long as the bugs get sorted out ASAP. Browser stability is a big drawback for me, especially on flash rich sites. Countless random reboots and other annoying bugs along with general "smoothness" of the OS is needed.
By the way I'm on unrooted stock 4.0.2 GSM GN.
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I've never read that.
4.0.3 was the official platform release
it was the release for the galaxy S
Everyone assumed it would come to the gnex because why wouldn't it but obviously google wanted to fix a slew of issues first.
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Google classified 4.0.3 for Nexus S. Check the page.
Don't ever expect anything from French providers, they are way too slow and inefficient. (except Free which is a brand new company)
0.0.1 updates are typically device and location specific update.
According to who?
Last I checked, 4.0.4 included fixes needed for the entire platform, not just a specific carrier.
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Don't ever expect anything from French providers, they are way too slow and inefficient. (except Free which is a brand new company)
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If they say they will release 4.0.5, given the fact that they modify the system, it means that they will / they already have the official 4.0.5. Which means we might get it before they release their modified version.
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If this 4.0.5 update is real, I really hope Google has time to update the Android repos this time. Seriously.
It's embarrassing seeing Google promote the Nexus as the open phone and then release binary updates with no source attached, like it did with 4.0.4.
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What are you talking about ?
Repos have been updated, source is available online for quite sometime, even gerrit is up again. People want the latest? Build from aosp master branch.
Are you saying that you want to download 7+ gb of source code with a OTA or a "leaked" update?
Or are you talking about getting source code of proprietary stuff, like gpu, camera, sensors, GPS? That won't happen, at least by what JBQ told us @android-building. It isn't nor will it be possible to build a update package for the nexus all from source code. And Google is still undergoing to get all the other binaries from hardware suppliers, since we only have two officially available of the five or six needed.
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4.0.4 seems to be for LTE only so maby 4.0.5 will be the GSM version.
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I really need the possibility to mount the pen drive on my GNEX without rooting it, I'm really bothered from this google "slowness".
Does anyone know when the 4.0.3 ota for yakju will come out?
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Tomorrow...
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I don't want 4.0.3, I want 4.0.4... but I guess google has forgotten their dev phone and just slaves to verizion now for the CDMA/LTE version...
that, or only carrier employees leak updates before they are officially released. And that's why it seems we are forgotten.
Alas, there's always the roms to go with hehe..guess I'm just impatient
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Does anyone know when the 4.0.3 ota for yakju will come out?
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You really think random forumgoers on XDA just know when the 4.0.3 OTA is scheduled to roll out?
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I don't want 4.0.3, I want 4.0.4... but I guess google has forgotten their dev phone and just slaves to verizion now for the CDMA/LTE version...
that, or only carrier employees leak updates before they are officially released. And that's why it seems we are forgotten.
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um, 4.0.4 for the CDMA version isn't official. We have 1 leak and that's it. And nothing about that indicates that its any "better" than 4.0.3 for the GSM version that Google is working on. Just because its .0.1 higher, doesn't mean its better. There may never be 4.0.4 for the GSM version. You don't know.
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um, 4.0.4 for the CDMA version isn't official. We have 1 leak and that's it. And nothing about that indicates that its any "better" than 4.0.3 for the GSM version that Google is working on. Just because its .0.1 higher, doesn't mean its better. There may never be 4.0.4 for the GSM version. You don't know.
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Um, I didn't imply it was official. And there are people that say there are improvements.
- some say the Android OS bug is fixed (although that is just a cosmetic bug).
- some say they are getting better battery life (but that could just be placebo).
- some say that the crappy low volume is finally fixed in 4.0.4 (but who knows).
You don't even know if google is working on 4.0.3 for the GSM version - sure it was mentioned by some google engineers to include some fixes, but that doesn't mean they haven't moved on to the next rev already after pulling back 4.0.3 for the nexus_s for whatever bugs that were in it that they felt they needed to pull the OTA.
I think it's pretty clear they aren't releasing a 4.0.3 OTA, as it's been in AOSP for what seems like forever now. So they must be moving on from it.
edit: add to it that 4.0.4 already leaked for the nexus_s too
Bored Google employees in the know...can't blame me for trying
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Bored Google employees in the know...can't blame me for trying
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Sadly it seems like nothing ever leaks from google. It's always for models released for a specific carrier (verizon or sprint) that leak. Probably during the carriers testing phase before they give google the green light to release an OTA.
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um, 4.0.4 for the CDMA version isn't official. We have 1 leak and that's it. And nothing about that indicates that its any "better" than 4.0.3 for the GSM version that Google is working on. Just because its .0.1 higher, doesn't mean its better. There may never be 4.0.4 for the GSM version. You don't know.
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It IS official as it's on the Google OTA server, it's just not officially been pushed out yet. There's a difference
As for the OP, we're not getting 4.0.3 after the issues found in the Nexus S release. We'll likely get 4.0.x as and when Google feel it's ready to be released. Dev phone or not, the release still has to be stable.
If you're THAT bothered, build your own ROM from the source
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It IS official as it's on the Google OTA server, it's just not officially been pushed out yet. There's a difference
As for the OP, we're not getting 4.0.3 after the issues found in the Nexus S release. We'll likely get 4.0.x as and when Google feel it's ready to be released. Dev phone or not, the release still has to be stable.
If you're THAT bothered, build your own ROM from the source
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It ain't official till its pushed widely to all CDMA GNex users.
We'll agree to differ in that case then. By your logic RUUs aren't official either for HTC devices but they come from HTC
Just cause they're not being pushed out doesn't make them unofficial
Hi guys, I have been on this forums for quite a while even though I don't own a Nexus myself. I have been browsing through the development section every day and looking at all the ROMs etc..
I know that everything is open on the Nexus, all the sources, drivers, etc. I know that the advantages of having a Nexus is stock experience, with faster updates directly from Google. But what is the advantage of having an open phone as a user? I don't find much difference between the ROMs for Galaxy S II and the ROMs for the Galaxy Nexus. In fact the Siyah kernel, i think, has many many more features than the most popular kernel on this forums, the Franco kernel.
I am not trying to spark up anything over here. I just want to know what is the benefit of having such an open phone?
Difference between being in a wheelchair in a jail cell, even a jail cell with a window and open field sunny day with your legs running however fast you can. Its like that.
let it be.
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Difference between being in a wheelchair in a jail cell, even a jail cell with a window and open field sunny day with your legs running however fast you can. Its like that.
let it be.
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I would think that, but I can't see that translating to development. I mean, I must be blind to not be able to see the differences, but I really can't. I don't see any major improvements in the ROMs on the Galaxy Nexus
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I know that the advantages of having a Nexus is stock experience, with faster updates directly from Google.
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You answered your own question.
I already had 2 not Nexus Samsung phones and I will never make this mistake again. The lack of updates, the crappy skin that tries to look as the iPhone, etc.
In my experience, the builds from Google are much more stable, fast and reliable. And nothing in TouchWiz add anything that matters to me. To me Android is Nexus, I dont think I will build anything that is not Nexus again (but I really hope that HTC build the next one, I love the build quality of their phones).
martonikaj said:
You answered your own question.
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Haha, that wasn't my question. I am not asking why the Nexus is a better device. I am asking how does opening up the sources and drivers improve on the development...
darkgoon3r96 said:
I would think that, but I can't see that translating to development. I mean, I must be blind to not be able to see the differences, but I really can't. I don't see any major improvements in the ROMs on the Galaxy Nexus
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Sorry man, but in my opinion the stock ICS on the GNexus is miles ahead of any build from the SII.
martonikaj said:
You answered your own question.
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The difference is some stuff on aosp
Roms still don't work on galaxy s2 but everything works on aosp roms on nexus because it's open and drivers and everything is available...
bottom line aokp cm9 etc will give u a better user experience on nexus fewer bugs
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darkgoon3r96 said:
Haha, that wasn't my question. I am not asking why the Nexus is a better device. I am asking how does opening up the sources and drivers improve on the development...
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Because your Galaxy Nexus comes with stock ICS out of the box. Sorry, but a custom ROM will never be as smooth and nice as the native out of the box OS.
juliano_q said:
Sorry man, but in my opinion the stock ICS on the GNexus is miles ahead of any build from the SII.
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I still don't get why you guys think the Stock is so much better than AOKP? I mean, isn't that very similar to stock?
OK, let me see if I can answer it. I'm not a developer, so take it with a grain of salt.
The phone I had before this was the Samsung Captivate. I bought it August 2010. At the time, it was one of the more advanced phones on the market. However, within about an hour of using it, I realized that the AT&T bloatware was a problem. Though the device had a lot of memory available, the app drawer was harder to navigate because of 15 different AT&T apps on the phone, most of which charged a monthly fee to do what Google's equivalent apps did for free. So, I had to root it.
Things were fine for a couple weeks, but then I noticed that there were several apps that I couldn't download because everyone was on Froyo and I was stuck on Eclair. There was no word when either samsung or AT&T was going to provide me with an update, so I had to take matters into my own hands and get a ROM from someone else. I'm not saying the devs didn't do a good job, but they were hamstrung by both AT&T and Sammy who were not giving them the tools they needed to do the job right the first time.
I should also point out that a lot of these problems were caused by AT&T's insistence that they have their own version of the Galaxy S that was different from everyone else's. Thankfully, all the carriers learned from that mistake.
Over the course of a year and 8 months, I tried at least a dozen different ROMs on my phone to either try to keep up with the changes in the market, or just to keep it from freezing. Even stock Gingerbread had problems, likely because it was rushed out. I finally found a stable build in a ROM that used ICS (ironically, ported from the GNex). So that meant, if not for the great work of Team ICSSGS, my Captivate would NEVER have been a stable phone. All those commercials about being a smartphone beta tester seemed to be designed with the Captivate in mind.
The point of all this: When it came time for me to get a new phone, I was considering waiting for the GSIII, but then Google offered the GNex off contract for $400, a not unreasonable price for the hardware at all, but what I was really paying for was getting off the treadmill. Now granted, at this point I've only had the phone for about a week, but it performs every function I need it to, and AT&T has no say in it. Samsung only had a say in the hardware. And that's how it should be, and honestly why I think Apple had such a marketing edge for such a long time. Apple told AT&T exactly where they can shove their customizations, and now we have Google doing the same, but not publicizing it enough.
TL;DR: Google experience and faster updates. But those are more valuable than you think.
darkgoon3r96 said:
I still don't get why you guys think the Stock is so much better than AOKP? I mean, isn't that very similar to stock?
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You just answered yourself... great roms/builds like aokp would not be possible without the Android Open Source Project. Even after saying that the quality on aosp devices running aokp like the gnex and ns are miles ahead of say the sensation or something along those lines due to the very face the the nexus phones have open source readily available.
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The open let's you literally change ans re-code any part of the device you want. A touch wiz phone cannot do this cause the code is closed.
Custom roms on other devices are not the same though you may think they are. Most of the time something doesn't work cause it relies on a closed touch wiz framework function that has to be reverse engineered or hacked, or usually never works at all..
You need the kernel source code to really make any legit custom rom, and often have to wait months foe it to be released.
With an open device, you literally can implement anything your imagination can cone up with. No bugs or work a rounds.
In my opinion, there are two major differences:
1. On a Nexus device, you are guaranteed a large developer community. The SGSII may have a large developer community, but that's because it's pretty much of the most popular phones. If you buy something like the Samsung Galaxy Infuse (which several of my friends have) then you won't have nearly as big a developer community as the one for the Galaxy Nexus.
2. It's much much easier to root/customize/flash a Nexus device than any other device. All you need is "fastboot oem unlock" and the phone opens up for you. No need for bootloader downgrading/rooting exploits/HTCDev/manufacturer restrictions. This phone is designed to be a developer device. Also, when you screw up a Nexus, it is much easier to solve problems. Phone not booting? Use CWM. Recovery borked? Fastboot. Fastboot not working? ODIN flash. Lots of fail-safes.
Thanks a lot guys for taking the time just to help me out
I got my gnex last wednesday. No regrets at all, it's an amazing phone. My next phone will definitely be another nexus.
Advantage of having a Nexus?
It is like Burger King, you can have it your own way.