I am relatively new to android, but I recently purchaced an Acer a100. I probably should have done more research... but unfortunately the bootloader is locked down pretty tight so I'm on a mission now to help find a way past this evil bootloader issue. I have scoured the Google plains only to find this tablet has missed out on alot of great dev possibilities due to the bootloader. But I did come across an interesting tidbit of dev info and am not sure if it would really aid us in our search for a fix. The Motorola atrix forums here on xda has some interesting dev on a file called kexec I believe. It seems as though someone figured out how to bypass the locked bootloader and was very close to finding a kernel that would load on top of the program, though the issue was then Motorola having some sort of security to shut down the radio on the device if a custom kernel was loaded... so.. that being said, would this project be worth continuing on the a100 since mine does not have a cellular radio and as far as I know no security to disable anything if a custom kernel is loaded? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1079097
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I am relatively new to android, but I recently purchaced an Acer a100. I probably should have done more research... but unfortunately the bootloader is locked down pretty tight so I'm on a mission now to help find a way past this evil bootloader issue. I have scoured the Google plains only to find this tablet has missed out on alot of great dev possibilities due to the bootloader. But I did come across an interesting tidbit of dev info and am not sure if it would really aid us in our search for a fix. The Motorola atrix forums here on xda has some interesting dev on a file called kexec I believe. It seems as though someone figured out how to bypass the locked bootloader and was very close to finding a kernel that would load on top of the program, though the issue was then Motorola having some sort of security to shut down the radio on the device if a custom kernel was loaded... so.. that being said, would this project be worth continuing on the a100 since mine does not have a cellular radio and as far as I know no security to disable anything if a custom kernel is loaded? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1079097
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AFAIK that was one the things thrown around for the Nook Tablet which also had a locked and signed bootloader. Maybe someone with the necessary skills should take a look and see if its viable? it looks like quite the undertaking though.
how can dumb people help
I was curious if anyone knew how a person with absolutely no development skills could help this locked bootloader situation and get some rooms on this amazing machine?
RobbandJenica said:
I was curious if anyone knew how a person with absolutely no development skills could help this locked bootloader situation and get some rooms on this amazing machine?
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Talk to acer and express your concern and disappointment with thier device. Tell them what you think about the locked bootloader and make them understand how its imacting how you use the device and that the limitations they have placed on your device will effect future decisions on buying additional devices from them in the future.
I doubt it'll help, but it's better than sitting on your hands doing nothing.
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Talk to acer and express your concern and disappointment with thier device. Tell them what you think about the locked bootloader and make them understand how its imacting how you use the device and that the limitations they have placed on your device will effect future decisions on buying additional devices from them in the future.
I doubt it'll help, but it's better than sitting on your hands doing nothing.
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I wanted to ask you or any of the other devs that were giving this a try, if you could perhaps spare a few minutes to fill us in on what has been tried and is currently being tried (if anything)? I think at the very least it would stop the posting of more threads on the same subject (perhaps even sticky such post so new owners and devs alike are informed on progress), and also maybe shine a little bit of hope to the community
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I wanted to ask you or any of the other devs that were giving this a try, if you could perhaps spare a few minutes to fill us in on what has been tried and is currently being tried (if anything)? I think at the very least it would stop the posting of more threads on the same subject (perhaps even sticky such post so new owners and devs alike are informed on progress), and also maybe shine a little bit of hope to the community
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I don't know if there is anyone that is actually working on a solution to unlock it or find a work around such as 2nd-init or kexec. I don't know if we have any experienced devs that have done that sort of thing in the past with other devices that actually own an a100 and are working on it. If we don't I'd suggest that someone contact someone that does have experience (ie. koush or possibly sc2k) and see if they would be willing to help.
I am not a bootloader / recovery guy and have never personally developed a working solution to a problem like this. I barely know how they work in conjunction with each other. I know that recovery runs it's own kernel and in order to get cwm to work you have to compile a kernel for your device and cwm uses it. I have tried several solutions that others have created but none of them have worked so far.
sc2k from the a500 forum created itsmajic for their device and I attempted to install it along with cwm but almost borked recovery on my tab in the process.
The recovery partition does some sort of checking (I dunno if its a checksum validation or what) but its obvious that the p7 partition in our device doesn't do the same thing as it does on the a500. So the bootloader hack for the a500 will not work for our device.
I have compiled kexec and got kexec-tools to run, but I don't know enough about the kernel or memory addresses to know how to launch an alternate kernel or what memory address to launch it in (if thats even the proper terminology??)
I have looked at 2nd-init, but don't understand where / how cwm would get launched from it.
I just don't have enough knowledge about the boot process / recovery to get a working solution for this thing. I don't consider myself a dev, but just a modder that has done some kernel tweaking and device tweaking here and there. I know how to use a c compiler, write sh scripts, check logcats for issues... enough to be dangerous but thats about it
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I have compiled kexec and got kexec-tools to run, but I don't know enough about the kernel or memory addresses to know how to launch an alternate kernel or what memory address to launch it in (if thats even the proper terminology??)
I have looked at 2nd-init, but don't understand where / how cwm would get launched from it.
I just don't have enough knowledge about the boot process / recovery to get a working solution for this thing. I don't consider myself a dev, but just a modder that has done some kernel tweaking and device tweaking here and there. I know how to use a c compiler, write sh scripts, check logcats for issues... enough to be dangerous but thats about it
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2nd-Init might be possible, we just need to find a binary that starts within init/init.rc that can be hijacked. On Motorola phones it is logwrapper, at this line in init.rc is the first it executes.
Code:
exec /system/bin/logwrapper /system/bin/mount_ext3.sh userdata /data
For this to work logwrapper has to be renamed to something else (logwrapper.bin , .orig) and executed in a new executable script called, logwrapper. In the script just about anything can be done. To run cwm, / gets remounted rw new init files replace the old. busybox, other binaries and a hacked adbd are unzipped. 2nd-Init then goes to work killing process 1 (init) and starts cwm. I believe in this case cwm is 2nd-Init rather than a recovery partition.
The a100 init.rc doesn't use logwrapper. One idea, which may be too far fetched and too far into init, is hijacking the bootanimation binary, but it runs as user 'graphics' which doesn't have elevated privileges. So could an su binary, compiled without requesting SuperUser.apk, be used in the hijacked bootanimation??... If it's too far in the boot process maybe we could atleast get init.d tweaks.
Hashcode has come up with an inventive new approach to cwm bootstrap called safestrap. A different partition is used to hold the rom keeping stock intact making it almost impossible to brick. For anyone interested I recommend reading his blog to see how it works hash-of-codes.blogspot.com/p/how-to-safestrap.html?m=0/. Attached is the logwrapper script from my Droid3 to get an idea of how it starts cwm. The safestrap.apk can also be downloaded from hashcode's blog for a better understanding. DO NOT install it, it can be unzipped and analyzed.
At this point theres no reason we can't deodex then make a custom rom/theme with just replacing atleast the system apps and the framework. With the update.zips theres no reason not to.
Some interesting stuff you have there...
So, you think that update-style ROM porting would be possible right now?
I will defenitely take a look at the logwrapper.
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Some interesting stuff you have there...
So, you think that update-style ROM porting would be possible right now?
I will defenitely take a look at the logwrapper.
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Using an update.zip? The only option we have now would be copying via adb or maybe dd but doubtful. So if the apks are decompiled and themed or even adjusting some code, they can be copied with a simple script from adb. If it bricks just use one of the update.zip's to recover. The first thing the updates do is format /system so no checksums or anything it should be safe.
I would think that aosp style roms can be compiled but most of acers framework would have to stay, along with all the libs. Kind of like some of Team Liberty roms.
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Using an update.zip? The only option we have now would be copying via adb or maybe dd but doubtful. So if the apks are decompiled and themed or even adjusting some code, they can be copied with a simple script from adb. If it bricks just use one of the update.zip's to recover. The first thing the updates do is format /system so no checksums or anything it should be safe.
I would think that aosp style roms can be compiled but most of acers framework would have to stay, along with all the libs. Kind of like some of Team Liberty roms.
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True. I used edify script before to get my updates to work w/ CWR and I was formatting cache, userdata and system before reinstalling.
Perhaps working on an Acer update with the DSIDXA kitchen could help to get something workable?
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Using an update.zip? The only option we have now would be copying via adb or maybe dd but doubtful.
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The update.zip method wont work through recovery. I tried to pre-root 2.007.04 and when you load any modified .zip file in recovery you get an android with an exclaimation...
I have successfully used dd to make/restore a backup of boot, recovery and system partitions. I haven't had a chance yet to deodex the system (too busy with other projects at the moment).
I mighe be able to do something with your post on that init method, just need to get some time to dig in to it.
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The update.zip method wont work through recovery. I tried to pre-root 2.007.04 and when you load any modified .zip file in recovery you get an android with an exclaimation...
I have successfully used dd to make/restore a backup of boot, recovery and system partitions. I haven't had a chance yet to deodex the system (too busy with other projects at the moment).
I mighe be able to do something with your post on that init method, just need to get some time to dig in to it.
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Oh good, should be able to make backups of /data, it umounts clean and dd works so that's a step forward. I was worried about partition overlap. tar might be useful too cwm uses it and Titanium and AppExtractor both can restore the data.
Hopefully this weekend I can try that along with possible init.d
If I get a chance I'll mess around with the kernel that acer posted a while back on their site and see if I can't get it to compile. If it does, I'll see if we can try to get a working cwm. Don't go getting your hopes up though, if cwm requires any code changes to get it working then we still may be sunk. I've never attempted to roll my own cwm before, this'll be a first lol.
hmm... looks complicated...
http://www.acsyndicate.net/how-to-porting-cwm-to-other-devices-windows/
Its nice to see a possibility of methods popping up. Hopefully we make some hedge-way here.
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If I get a chance I'll mess around with the kernel that acer posted a while back on their site and see if I can't get it to compile. If it does, I'll see if we can try to get a working cwm. Don't go getting your hopes up though, if cwm requires any code changes to get it working then we still may be sunk. I've never attempted to roll my own cwm before, this'll be a first lol.
hmm... looks complicated...
http://www.acsyndicate.net/how-to-porting-cwm-to-other-devices-windows/
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I'll look into it over the weekend as well. also, I will look into an update file and see if there are anything special in those as well.
Let us know how it goes with the kernel.
Did anyone ever experiment with NVFlash btw? or tried the Acer update decrypter?
Oh...and it seems the ICS ROM for the A200 has already leaked.
Im gonna be ballsy and try and flash it later probably in 20 minutes. Probably wont work, but why not try(other than the fact I can brick my device, meh) Ill also mess around IN the file itself to see what parameters it checks for. Maybe we can do what they did for the A500, but slightly different, heh....
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Im gonna be ballsy and try and flash it later probably in 20 minutes. Probably wont work, but why not try(other than the fact I can brick my device, meh) Ill also mess around IN the file itself to see what parameters it checks for. Maybe we can do what they did for the A500, but slightly different, heh....
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GL, you'll probably get an android with an exclamation point when you try and flash it due to different signing keys used between tablets.
Lol, it got halfway, stopped for a few minutes and gave me the !. lol. It wiped my settings clean, seems as far as it got before it thought about the device, lol. Nice try though.
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Lol, it got halfway, stopped for a few minutes and gave me the !. lol. It wiped my settings clean, seems as far as it got before it thought about the device, lol. Nice try though.
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You should post the last_log file from /cache/recovery, that'll tell you why it died.
On another note, the acer supplied kernel didnt include the config file they used to build so I'm having to roll my own Tried compiling with a minimal amount of settings, but the compile died..
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ROOTSide ROM
Base Flipside ROM with root/busybox/unknown sources enabled. Only thing different in this rom than rooting it yourself is you get to check/uncheck unknown sources. Yes, that means you can turn unknown sources ON and OFF! I have a clockworkmod recovery folder zipped up for distribution, but I want to post a full-fledged ROM zip file for the masses. PM me, and I will send you the ZIP file that I have right now.
What you get:
base install for the flipside (AT&T) with motoblur ready to set up. It is the exact same thing as doing a factory reset, but you get all the benefits of superuser with busybox and the addead feature of having unknown sources checkbox in the settings.
I will work towards a deoxed version this weekend as well.
No custom bootscreen (yet). No custom anything, really.
Almost There
I am currently in the middle of Deodexing the image. I have added in wifi tethering, and ensured it will have superuser and busybox pre-packaged. Next step is pushing this to my wife's phone and not having her get a pretty brick in return. If all goes well, I will be posting the image by morning light (CST).
Fingers Crossed!
Well
Things didn't go too well with my first build attempt. Appears to be a permission issue with the /system folder. I will sleep on it, and give it a second go in the morning. Sorry for the apparent "tease". If you want a faster build, I could use some other devs working with me.
Hey man, sounds like you're doing great! Keep it up...I already found a way to get the root with unknown sources checked, so i'm just gonna wait for the deoxed version! Hope it goes well as you try again.
Current Issues
unable to deodex the following:
/system/app/AABSync.odex
/system/app/blur-services.odex
Will try to load to phone without dodexing those two files. Hopefully all will go well.
Me too...good luck!!
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unable to deodex the following:
/system/app/AABSync.odex
/system/app/blur-services.odex
Will try to load to phone without dodexing those two files. Hopefully all will go well.
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Both of those files are att/moto bloat... just be rid of them
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Glad to see some work on this device, I love the form factor but it's obviously not very popular with devs...
Very interested to see this come around. I would like to streamline the wife's phone. Her battery life is a 1/3 of my rooted and flashed X10. Sadly though I am NOT a Dev nor even a cook.
I would have had something sooner, but I ran into issues not related to the ROM. Still working on it. Anybody have an idea for upgrading the CWM from the one we can currently use?
so I was curious, I was able to get to unlock mode with an sqlite thing and it worked just fine for me, but have you been able to knock out the bloat and stuff? cause it sounds like the makings of a custom rom lol
you know what the turtle said.. slowly but surely I will win this race
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I would have had something sooner, but I ran into issues not related to the ROM. Still working on it. Anybody have an idea for upgrading the CWM from the one we can currently use?
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Several ppl have said they have run into this problem...don't know what the deal is...
Is it possible to get CM7, or it's a problem with a locked kernel?
Ok, I just got a new phone for the Mrs., so I can break the flipside and unbreak it as much as I like.
Time for some real fearless development lol.
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Ok, I just got a new phone for the Mrs., so I can break the flipside and unbreak it as much as I like.
Time for some real fearless development lol.
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sounds good man, keep us posted on progress!!
So check this out...I messaged the guy at modmymobile and asked how things were going becuase I heard people were having problems getting an updated CMW and this is his response:
"been sittin on the updated cwm recovery binaries and been draggin my feet/takin a break the past week or 2. i'll throw something out soon, but cant commit to a timeframe, sorry."
Looks like things are on the up and up...stay patient everyone
GOOD JOB!!!,
We are waiting for the rom
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Is it possible to get CM7, or it's a problem with a locked kernel?
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I can't install CM7, it reboots and locks up, then I have to reinstall froyo. It never worked when I had eclair either.
Hey guys!!,
Yet another of my noob questions BUT, this time I think I'm going to take the plunge and root my Gnex!!! *scared* haha
I'm just having to many frustrating things happening on my stock Gnex, low responsiveness to the touch, slow-ish and well, isnt this what its all about!! =)
So a quick one, if anyone can point me in the most normal, simple and customizable direction, what do I do? I have searched for a while now so I have an idea where i want to go, either, Cynagon or AOKP...I'm hearing great things about AOKP...there from the same devs yeah?? (a guess)
So, I have a Samsung updated Gnex, in Aus and with optus. I'm technical so I'm getting a grasp on whats what but still not to clear on Kernels and radios....bit worried about that. Clockwork I'm guessing is like a boot manager?? Just asking that while I was here...
So Odin? Wug? CF-Root? I'm just not sure...
Thanks soooo much in advance guys.... I already appreciate your help. =)=)
*Excited!!!*
Cheers!!
P.S. I'd also very much like to return to stock form later on if I want...like locked oem and restored stock rom... =)
Helmet321 said:
Hey guys!!,
Yet another of my noob questions BUT, this time I think I'm going to take the plunge and root my Gnex!!! *scared* haha
I'm just having to many frustrating things happening on my stock Gnex, low responsiveness to the touch, slow-ish and well, isnt this what its all about!! =)
So a quick one, if anyone can point me in the most normal, simple and customizable direction, what do I do? I have searched for a while now so I have an idea where i want to go, either, Cynagon or AOKP...I'm hearing great things about AOKP...there from the same devs yeah?? (a guess)
So, I have a Samsung updated Gnex, in Aus and with optus. I'm technical so I'm getting a grasp on whats what but still not to clear on Kernels and radios....bit worried about that. Clockwork I'm guessing is like a boot manager?? Just asking that while I was here...
So Odin? Wug? CF-Root? I'm just not sure...
Thanks soooo much in advance guys.... I already appreciate your help. =)=)
*Excited!!!*
Cheers!!
P.S. I'd also very much like to return to stock form later on if I want...like locked oem and restored stock rom... =)
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Try my ToolKit in the dev forum. Its simple, straightforward, easy to understand, there is a 1-click option which will do everything and every step is explained in detail.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1392310
You can also use my ToolKit to flash a Stock Google Rom if you ever want to in the future.
With regards to Roms there are lots available to try by very experienced developers that will make your phone better and plenty of kernels to make it run ALOT faster. I use bigxie's Rom and franco's kernel.
Mark.
Hi!!,
Thanks so much for your reply!
Funny as, I was JUST reading your guide. Awesome work man, very informative.=)=) and it would of taken some time to compile!. =/
Arm, I'm just wondering what file I need to backup to got back to the rom I'm on now? I want to be able to go back, if needed.
I don’t know what kernels are all about, and what do I need to do about Radios?? If I have the wrong one or something, does that mean I wont have signal?? Or bad call/signal reliability?
I'm looking at the build 23 of AOKP...I'm hearing its the go...and if i have a wrong kernal rom radio combo, what’s that going to do??, that’s if they correlate?? haha
Is security as issue?? Since these are built "freely" is there any exposure of private info?
I'm sorry for smashing you with all this, I'm just trying to get all the info before I do anything and to have a failsafe if I need to return for warranty.... =/
Thank you in advance!!! =)
Cheers.
P.S. Is Bigxie Apex?? I hear good things about that too!! haha. Its so hard, theres so many out there... Apex, Gummy, AOKP look great. I also really want a responsive, battery lasting, fast and importantly "stable" phone. So, not sure what you recommend. =)
Thanks already!! =)=)
Helmet321 said:
Hi!!,
Thanks so much for your reply!
Funny as, I was JUST reading your guide. Awesome work man, very informative.=)=) and it would of taken some time to compile!. =/
Arm, I'm just wondering what file I need to backup to got back to the rom I'm on now? I want to be able to go back, if needed.
I don’t know what kernels are all about, and what do I need to do about Radios?? If I have the wrong one or something, does that mean I wont have signal?? Or bad call/signal reliability?
I'm looking at the build 23 of AOKP...I'm hearing its the go...and if i have a wrong kernal rom radio combo, what’s that going to do??, that’s if they correlate?? haha
Is security as issue?? Since these are built "freely" is there any exposure of private info?
I'm sorry for smashing you with all this, I'm just trying to get all the info before I do anything and to have a failsafe if I need to return for warranty.... =/
Thank you in advance!!! =)
Cheers.
P.S. Is Bigxie Apex?? I hear good things about that too!! haha. Its so hard, theres so many out there... Apex, Gummy, AOKP look great. I also really want a responsive, battery lasting, fast and importantly "stable" phone. So, not sure what you recommend. =)
Thanks already!! =)=)
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If you goto settings, about phone then it will tell you all about your current rom build. If its a yakju build then its a stock google rom and can easily be found and reflashed via my ToolKit. If its been put on by your operator then you wont be able to obtain it online and you are best backing it up (unless you dont mind putting the google stock rom back on).
To do that you will need to set your drivers up first. This is important as nothing else can be done without this step. If you have Windows xp or 7 then its pretty easy, you can install the drivers automatically via the GNex ToolKit, then reboot your pc. Goto settings, developer options on your phone and tick 'usb debugging' then connect the usb cable to your phone (with it booted into Android). This should install adb drivers which are needed for communication when your phone is booted into Android. Start the ToolKit and select your current build version (which can be found in settings, about phone). At the top of the Main Menu you should see a serial number under adb mode which means your device is recognised in this mode. Select reboot options (19) in the ToolKit and Reboot phone to Fastboot (3). This is a bootloader mode for the phone outside of Android where you can flash and manipulate certain parts of your phone. As this mode is at a much lower level then the operating system it can be your saviour if your phone locks or wont start and you need to flash back to stock.
Once the phone has rebooted to fastboot mode the fastboot drivers should be installed on your pc. If nothing happens try unplugging and replugging the usb cable to initiate the drivers. If the drivers have installed before the ToolKit refreshes then you should now see the serial number at the top under fastboot mode this time. You NEED both fastboot and adb drivers installed on your pc for everything to work.
After the drivers have been set up you will need to Unlock the Bootloader to be able to have access to system areas on your phone. BE AWARE that unlocking the bootloader will erase EVERYTHING all data on your phone including the Internal Storage (virtual SD Card) so copy anything you need to from your Internal Storage accross to your pc and use the Backup option in the ToolKit to save any installed apps and associated user data that you want to keep. This is done in adb mode so your phone will need to be in Android.
If you want to back up your current Rom then Unlock the Bootloader, reboot your phone into Android, go through the setup quickly (as the phone will have been wiped), then goto settings developer options and enable usb debugging. Start the ToolKit and in the Main Menu select 19, 3 to reboot back to fastboot mode. Then you can BOOT into CWM Recovery without flashing it (9) and select backup/restore to backup your Rom/user data/boot image to a datestamped folder inside a folder called Clockworkmod on your Internal Storage. The rebooting into Android step after unlocking the Bootloader is important as cwm will not work properly without doing that.
Once that is all done you are ready to reboot into Android from cwm, get back to fastboot mode as before and select 1-click option (7). You will get a message on the unlock stage saying that your device is already unlocked but then it will just skip to the next stage. Be aware that when the device boots into Android the first time this is to let the user enable usb debugging for adb operations and if you have already done this then the ToolKit will wait for about 3 minutes before carrying on. Be patient as the ToolKit hasnt frozen, its just set to pause before carrying on.
Ok now thats all over with, on to your other questions lol. I would advise trying either romanbb's AOKP (build 24 should be up today) or bigxie's Apex 1.02 to start. Personally I use Apex as it has loads of customisation and runs very well but saying that I will be trying romanbb's new build when it is out.
Kernels are like the drivers of your phone. They set up how it works and what it can do. Custom Kernels can give better battery life and more power, performance, stability so its well worth trying them once you are rooted. They will tell you what builds they are compatable with but if you are thinking about the above Roms then you will be on Android build 4.0.3 and most new kernels work with that. I use franco's kernel but there are ALOT of established kernel developers working with the Nexus so you could try fugumod by nikademus or trinity by morfic. These are all flashed via cwm (download file, copy to Internal Memory, reboot to recovery mode once you have cwm flashed). You can enter cwm by rebooting to fastboot and using the volume buttons to select recovery, then press power to select, or from the reboot phone options in the ToolKit (19,4 in adb mode).
Bootloaders and Baseband/Radio updates are something to think about but not really needed if your phone is running fine. You wont notice any change if you update the bootloader as its just like updating your bios on a pc. Just gives some extra functionality or updates some deep down settings. Radios control the communication part of your phone and updating to a new one may improve battery, signal, wifi, gps lock. You can update them by either grabbing a premade zip and flashing via cwm or download the .img file and flash that via the ToolKit.
Dont worry about malware included in custom roms as long as its by an established developer. They would never put anything dangerous to the end user in one of their roms as it would harm their reputation and if anything was found by a user the rom would be taken down imediately by us mods to keep you safe.
I think thats everything you will ever need to know lol. Sorry theres alot I wanted to make sure you had all the ammunition you needed to continue and it took soo long to write I had lunch half way through
good luck.
Mark.
Ohhh man, thank you sooo much. That’s a lot of info and I really appreciate you taking the time to explain that to me Mark. Thank you!!!!
Ok, I’ve been watching some videos, one off of GalaxyNexusRoot.com. I think its his YouTube chan… He's seems pretty cool. Shows you what to do. I sort of want to do it manually so I'm understanding it all?, if that makes sense? I like to know exactly what my device is doing, why and how? haha. I'm a bit pedantic like that.
Arm, only a couple of things....I'm draining your life here...haha
I have a Samsung updated Gnex, throwing that in FYI. =) Not sure if the warranty centre would realise, probably so I should back it up as it is...on this note quickly, I do want to have a yakju (Google) updated phone though...hehe.
When I back up, does it flash everything? the rom, kernels and radios? (Mostly for my Stock setup for reversion, and understanding...)
With roms, where can I get the G'apps from? (If needed) And or the SupUser/Root files? (Separately I mean, so I can do this manually...if I'm understanding it properly... =/ )
Also, do these apps and others update as normal? Or di i have to update the whole ROM to update them? Like Maps (Navigation more importantly), GTalk, MarketPlace etc...?
And finally....phew...haha arm, sorry....
I'm looking at doing this because currently my device just seems a little non-responsive, laggy-ish and its turned off once.. =/ Is this all normal?? I thought for a minute my screen was faulty, like touches don’t always respond...I mean 90% of the time they do...I know, I'm nuts but it just ruins it for me... I uninstalled Beautiful Widgets and it’s sort of been better…maybe some apps aren’t configured with ICS yet also…I'm thinking it just could be the build? What do you think??
It's kind of weird to think that an individual dev has made. and is making more progress than the developers of the phone/software?? hahah...Anyway, I hope I've made some sense and I really, really, really appreciate all this Mark, all your time and patience with me. =)
Thanks again!!!!
P.S.... This should be it I SWEAR!! haha....
Just wanted to put these here...these are "some" of the problems I've been having... =/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1500545
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1490335
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1500236
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1487946
Thank you...again!!!
I just want to thank the OP for asking the right questions and taking the time to figure out how "hack" his/her phone correctly instead of jumping in blind.
I hope other beginners follow the OP's lead.
That is all.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium
Helmet321 said:
Ohhh man, thank you sooo much. That’s a lot of info and I really appreciate you taking the time to explain that to me Mark. Thank you!!!!
Ok, I’ve been watching some videos, one off of GalaxyNexusRoot.com. I think its his YouTube chan… He's seems pretty cool. Shows you what to do. I sort of want to do it manually so I'm understanding it all?, if that makes sense? I like to know exactly what my device is doing, why and how? haha. I'm a bit pedantic like that.
Arm, only a couple of things....I'm draining your life here...haha
I have a Samsung updated Gnex, throwing that in FYI. =) Not sure if the warranty centre would realise, probably so I should back it up as it is...on this note quickly, I do want to have a yakju (Google) updated phone though...hehe.
When I back up, does it flash everything? the rom, kernels and radios? (Mostly for my Stock setup for reversion, and understanding...)
With roms, where can I get the G'apps from? (If needed) And or the SupUser/Root files? (Separately I mean, so I can do this manually...if I'm understanding it properly... =/ )
Also, do these apps and others update as normal? Or di i have to update the whole ROM to update them? Like Maps (Navigation more importantly), GTalk, MarketPlace etc...?
And finally....phew...haha arm, sorry....
I'm looking at doing this because currently my device just seems a little non-responsive, laggy-ish and its turned off once.. =/ Is this all normal?? I thought for a minute my screen was faulty, like touches don’t always respond...I mean 90% of the time they do...I know, I'm nuts but it just ruins it for me... I uninstalled Beautiful Widgets and it’s sort of been better…maybe some apps aren’t configured with ICS yet also…I'm thinking it just could be the build? What do you think??
It's kind of weird to think that an individual dev has made. and is making more progress than the developers of the phone/software?? hahah...Anyway, I hope I've made some sense and I really, really, really appreciate all this Mark, all your time and patience with me. =)
Thanks again!!!!
P.S.... This should be it I SWEAR!! haha....
Just wanted to put these here...these are "some" of the problems I've been having... =/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1500545
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1490335
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1500236
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1487946
Thank you...again!!!
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A cwm backup will back up system, data, boot, recovery and cache but it will not back up your radio image so check your version in the about phone screen first so you know what you need.
The latest gapps flashable zip can be found in the development forum. Did the youtube channel not give a link to the root files? If not then I have attached the 2 files you need to push. Make sure to set their permissions too after pushing.
Without knowing exactly what you have put on your phone its hard to comment about responsiveness but as stock roms dont have all the optimisations that custom roms have they are definitely slower. A custom rom and kernel will surely sort out your problems
Mark.
What does stock stand for?
udmbrian said:
What does stock stand for?
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It means the version that the manufacturer put on the phone before it was shipped or a version that is supplied by the manufacturer. Unaltered by developers.
Mark.
mskip said:
A cwm backup will back up system, data, boot, recovery and cache but it will not back up your radio image so check your version in the about phone screen first so you know what you need.
The latest gapps flashable zip can be found in the development forum. Did the youtube channel not give a link to the root files? If not then I have attached the 2 files you need to push. Make sure to set their permissions too after pushing.
Without knowing exactly what you have put on your phone its hard to comment about responsiveness but as stock roms dont have all the optimisations that custom roms have they are definitely slower. A custom rom and kernel will surely sort out your problems
Mark.
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Thanks again!!!!
Ok cool. So when new versions of the apps come out on the market, I wont be able to update them normally will I? Which is ok but just wondering how that is going to go down. Haha.
Lastly, sorry man, I'm almost there. Haha. CWM doesn't backup kernel? Like my stock one?
So it basically makes a "phone" image, ExtPartition and all? Or can you choose these options?
Right, I'm so close now I reckon, today will be the day... I can feel it!!! Haha.
Thank you again!!!!!!!!!
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using XDA App
Helmet321 said:
Thanks again!!!!
Ok cool. So when new versions of the apps come out on the market, I wont be able to update them normally will I? Which is ok but just wondering how that is going to go down. Haha.
Lastly, sorry man, I'm almost there. Haha. CWM doesn't backup kernel? Like my stock one?
So it basically makes a "phone" image, ExtPartition and all? Or can you choose these options?
Right, I'm so close now I reckon, today will be the day... I can feel it!!! Haha.
Thank you again!!!!!!!!!
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using XDA App
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Yes of course you can update google apps via the market as normal.
Cwm will back up your boot image which contains the kernel. So yes it does back up the kernel.
You can not choose which options to back up but you can choose which parts you want to restore via the advanced restore option in cwm.
Let me know how it all goes
Mark.
El Daddy said:
I just want to thank the OP for asking the right questions and taking the time to figure out how "hack" his/her phone correctly instead of jumping in blind.
I hope other beginners follow the OP's lead.
That is all.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium
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Hey El Daddy,
Thanks man. I try to reframe from being a pain in butt.... not sure how I've gone with that but, Haha. I appreciate what your saying. I just want to be sure what I'm doing and to have, as Mark said, all the "ammo" I need.
Cheers.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using XDA App
Great questions and answers from both of you. Just got this phone and trying to figure out where to start. Briefly read the toolkit instructions. Just haven't had the time to sit down and plow through it. Thanks both of you.
mskip said:
A cwm backup will back up system, data, boot, recovery and cache but it will not back up your radio image so check your version in the about phone screen first so you know what you need.
The latest gapps flashable zip can be found in the development forum. Did the youtube channel not give a link to the root files? If not then I have attached the 2 files you need to push. Make sure to set their permissions too after pushing.
Without knowing exactly what you have put on your phone its hard to comment about responsiveness but as stock roms dont have all the optimisations that custom roms have they are definitely slower. A custom rom and kernel will surely sort out your problems
Mark.
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Thanks so much again Mark...This is Great!!
Ok, just before I do this...I'm like right here at the PC...ready! haha...
I understand all of it now, well. in theory...
Thank you for the DL link to the root.zip...
I DL'd the android SDK Kit zip also, but there’s no fastboot.exe??? Or anything like what I need?? haha, I may just be missing something here...
One of you links on you manual guide is broken...I think, that’s where you had it...I didnt want to harass you again but just some final things. =)
I'm really after all of what I need to this manually...for knowledge etc?? Hope you understand... You made this wicked awesome Kit, and I'm stupid and not using it...hahah...
So as far as I can see, I need:
- Samsung Drivers - which I have and that bits done... =)
- fasboot.exe etc (Android SDK Gear)
- Latest CWM.zip
- **Rom of my choice, which I'm going to take your advice and go with Apex. =) Latest 1.02 yeah??
- Franco Kernel, I'll try stock, but my feeling on it is that that’s probably been my major issue, or the cause of most of them... =)
Phew....I think that’s it...am I on the right track??
I cant thank you enough with all this Mark....seriously...your a very patience man. haha
Cheers. =)
**Update**
P.S. I have attached a file. Mark can you check it out and see if that what I need in regards to Android SDK stuff? I just got this now after I posted the above....
Thanks again... =)
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Arm, just looking at these files, whats the boot.img? does that get copied over to the phone? Or is it just a command? The su & Superuser files in this zip are like a different size and modified later than your ones (newer??? =/)....I'm not sure what that would really mean...probably has nothing to do with anything but just thought I'd check with you....
Helmet321 said:
Thanks so much again Mark...This is Great!!
Ok, just before I do this...I'm like right here at the PC...ready! haha...
I understand all of it now, well. in theory...
Thank you for the DL link to the root.zip...
I DL'd the android SDK Kit zip also, but there’s no fastboot.exe??? Or anything like what I need?? haha, I may just be missing something here...
One of you links on you manual guide is broken...I think, that’s where you had it...I didnt want to harass you again but just some final things. =)
I'm really after all of what I need to this manually...for knowledge etc?? Hope you understand... You made this wicked awesome Kit, and I'm stupid and not using it...hahah...
So as far as I can see, I need:
- Samsung Drivers - which I have and that bits done... =)
- fasboot.exe etc (Android SDK Gear)
- Latest CWM.zip
- **Rom of my choice, which I'm going to take your advice and go with Apex. =) Latest 1.02 yeah??
- Franco Kernel, I'll try stock, but my feeling on it is that that’s probably been my major issue, or the cause of most of them... =)
Phew....I think that’s it...am I on the right track??
I cant thank you enough with all this Mark....seriously...your a very patience man. haha
Cheers. =)
**Update**
P.S. I have attached a file. Mark can you check it out and see if that what I need in regards to Android SDK stuff? I just got this now after I posted the above....
Thanks again... =)
***Update...again....haha***
Arm, just looking at these files, whats the boot.img? does that get copied over to the phone? Or is it just a command? The su & Superuser files in this zip are like a different size and modified later than your ones (newer??? =/)....I'm not sure what that would really mean...probably has nothing to do with anything but just thought I'd check with you....
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Looks like everything in that zip is ok for what you want to do. The superuser.apk is a different size but im sure it doesnt matter.
In order to push the 2 files across to your phone you need to have booted into Android using an insecure boot image. This is a stock boot.img that has has some simple text changes to allow temporary root access (otherwise the files wouldnt copy across) Using fastboot you boot the boot.img file and then once you are in Android you push the files across and set their permissions. When you reboot your phone your original boot image will be used and you should have permanent root via the files.
Looks like you are all set
MArk.
Oh ok. So it doesn't stay on the phone?, its temporary??
So if this file say, is corrupted or malicious, (not really possible probably byt...) I'm in trouble? haha
Sorry, I have everything I think now, I grabbed the SDK of the Android website and I'm comfortable with that cause its "legit" I suppose. It doesn't have a boot.img file though. Can I make one myself so I know where its coming from? And where does this normally come from?
Silly stuff I know but, I told you, I'm CRAZY!! haha....
One very last thing...the permissions, whats that part all about...
Other than that, I'm pretty sure I'm sweet now...I also grabbed the latest CWM zip off the website too...so I'm cool with that.
......geez.... I'm killing you aren't I....I think you deserve (need) at LEAST 1 beer after all this....haha...
Thanks x 1,000,000...seriously.... =)
Helmet321 said:
Oh ok. So it doesn't stay on the phone?, its temporary??
So if this file say, is corrupted or malicious, (not really possible probably byt...) I'm in trouble? haha
Sorry, I have everything I think now, I grabbed the SDK of the Android website and I'm comfortable with that cause its "legit" I suppose. It doesn't have a boot.img file though. Can I make one myself so I know where its coming from? And where does this normally come from?
Silly stuff I know but, I told you, I'm CRAZY!! haha....
One very last thing...the permissions, whats that part all about...
Other than that, I'm pretty sure I'm sweet now...I also grabbed the latest CWM zip off the website too...so I'm cool with that.
......geez.... I'm killing you aren't I....I think you deserve (need) at LEAST 1 beer after all this....haha...
Thanks x 1,000,000...seriously.... =)
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Its perfectly possible to make your own boot image but to be honest you might take another day or 2 to get all the required components and research what you need to do lol
If you go to your settings, about phone screen and tell me the build version (4.0.1, 4.0.2) and whether its a gsm or lte device (im assuming gsm as lte is america/canada) then I will attach the boot image I made for that device so it will definitely be right and safe. You can also use the su and superuser.apk files I attached earlier if you are unsure about them.
I dont mind all the questions as long as you end up feeling confident enough to get your phone rooted mate I would rather people ask too many (but the right) questions than just go blindly into something have no understanding about and end up in trouble.
Mark.
Your a legend Mark, I swear!!....haha
Ok, well, its a GSM, 4.0.2 Samsung updated Nexus....I think... I can attach some images. =)
The end of the line here...haha, arm, I just watched a video that completely skipped the boot.img part...weird...anyway, with the "su" part, I have 2 files there, as you've kindly provided, but in that step doesnt it need to be a su.zip sort of configuration? Just running it by you before I do this...
P.S....again....haha, arm, if I'm thinking about this right, does the step with "fastboot boot boot.img" will that affect the stock image?? As I think, if I'm right you have to do that "before" you flash your recovery?? In my mind would it be right in assuming....
-Unlock bootloader
-Flash recovery
-Make a Back up (so to get all the rom, including the auto restore recovery??)
-Set SU perms...with su.zip or su+superuser.apk... (if I'm right also, this step only if you want root perms on stock?, not sure what you would do with it though, only if you want to remain this way I suppose... =/ )
Is this right??
I was reading your "manual" post and I'm a little confused...as in, you cant reboot into Android after flashing recovery (to back up) as it will delete it, but to do so, you need to reboot into Android to delete the auto recovery flash file?? And you need su perms yeah?? Am I right here, I'm probably going crazy-ier...haha cause I've been at this for 2 days...haha...
Seems the boot.img step is the same as if you would flash a su.zip...(which I dont have, only the su file (no extension) and the su.apk...) not sure if thats the same...just getting my head around it here.... =)
Maybe I'm thinking CWM will "back up" the su perms etc and affect the "stock rom"...if you back it up with the perms, wouldnt that be included?? Maybe thats were I'm getting it wrong...haha.
Finally...........serious.....
If and when you delete the auto recovery file (if that really does delete it completly, I'm probably wrong about that too...) how does it restore??
Thanks mate. =)=)
I think thats it...when I have my head around these final things...and the last couple of files...Its time.... =)=)
Helmet321 said:
Your a legend Mark, I swear!!....haha
Ok, well, its a GSM, 4.0.2 Samsung updated Nexus....I think... I can attach some images. =)
The end of the line here...haha, arm, I just watched a video that completely skipped the boot.img part...weird...anyway, with the "su" part, I have 2 files there, as you've kindly provided, but in that step doesnt it need to be a su.zip sort of configuration? Just running it by you before I do this...
P.S....again....haha, arm, if I'm thinking about this right, does the step with "fastboot boot boot.img" will that affect the stock image?? As I think, if I'm right you have to do that "before" you flash your recovery?? In my mind would it be right in assuming....
-Unlock bootloader
-Flash recovery
-Make a Back up
-Set SU perms...with su.zip or su+superuser.apk...
Is this right??
I was reading your "manual" post and I'm a little confused...as in, you cant reboot into Android after flashing recovery (to back up) as it will delete it, but to do so, you need to reboot into Android to delete the auto recovery flash file?? And you need su perms yeah?? Am I right here, I'm probably going crazy-ier...haha cause I've been at this for 2 days...haha...
Seems the boot.img step is the same as if you would flash a su.zip...(which I dont have, only the su file (no extension) and the su.apk...) not sure if thats the same...just getting my head around it here.... =)
Maybe I'm thinking CWM will "back up" the su perms etc and affect the "stock rom"...if you back it up with the perms, wouldnt that be included?? Maybe thats were I'm getting it wrong...haha.
Finally...........serious.....
If and when you delete the auto recovery file (if that really does delete it completly, I'm probably wrong about that too...) how does it restore??
Thanks mate. =)=)
I think thats it...when I have my head around these final things...and the last couple of files...Its time.... =)=)
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There are 2 ways of rooting your phone. The easier (and non learning way) is to flash cwm recovery and flash the superuser.zip straight to the phone. If this is what you watched then tbh you might as well be using my ToolKit as you wont learn anything from the experience. The other way is the method my ToolKit uses which is to boot the phone with the insecure boot image to gain temporary root, then using adb to push the 2 files that I sent to your phone and set their permissions, then rebooting to complete the root procedure. The 2nd method is the one I thought you was gearing up towards and the best way if you want to actually learn something, otherwise as I said you may as well use the ToolKit.
I have attached every file you will need for the 2nd method and if yo uread below these are the instructions you will need to follow to root your phone. Extract the attached files to a folder on your pc, browse to this folder then HOLD the Shift button on your pc while right clicking on a blank area of the Windows Explorer. Select 'Open command window here' which will open a command prompt in the correct folder where your adb and fastboot files are.
These instructions are for after you have installed drivers:
fastboot-toolkit devices
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this will return a serial number if your drivers are installed.
fastboot-toolkit oem unlock
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and follow the instructions on the phone to unlock your bootloader.
Now if you boot into Android RIGHT after unlocking the bootloader it will restart the boot half way through so you want to do this normally BEFORE using your insecure boot or the reboot half way through will lose your insecure access (if you get me)
fastboot-toolkit reboot
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to get your first boot in. Once the phone has booted up and you have gone through the setup wizard, go to settings, developer tools and select 'usb debugging' to enable adb control.
adb-toolkit devices
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should return a serial number if your adb drivers are installed.
adb-toolkit reboot bootloader
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to get back into fastboot so you can boot from the insecure boot image
fastboot-toolkit boot boot_gsm_ICL53F_insecure.img
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to boot your phone into Android from the insecrure boot image. Once your phone has booted into the lockscreen you can carry on with
adb-toolkit root
adb-toolkit remount
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to mount your /system folder for root access.
adb-toolkit push su /system/bin
adb-toolkit push Superuser.apk /system/app
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pushes the 2 files across to the correct folders on your phone.
adb-toolkit shell chmod 06755 /system/bin/su
adb-toolkit shell chmod 06755 /system/app/Superuser.apk
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sets their correct permissions.
Lastly if you are flashing cwm then you will need to rename the recovery restore file if you are on a samsung rom. If this file is present on your phone and cwm is flashed, then on the next reboot the stock recovery will be restored and you will lose cwm. To get back to stock recovery in the future you just flash a stock recovery image.
adb-toolkit shell mv /system/recovery-from-boot.p /system/recovery-from-boot.p-old
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will rename the file is it is present.
Thats it! Reboot your phone and you should have root You can check this by downloading root checker from the market or just download a root app such as adfree or setcpu.
Mark.
I see you are replying to my thread already as I was making some changes so re-read the instructions as I rearranged them a bit to make more sense lol.
MArk.
So the title pretty much explains it. What is the likelyhood that someone could port the new kindle fire software to the old KF? If the aspect ratio is the same it seems like it should be possible because both are based off of Gingerbread (I think). It is also possible that Amazon is planning on updating the old KF to the new software but I just went to the website where the updates are (http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=200790620) and I am fairly certain that even though I haven't been on stock for a very long time that it is still the same that it was the last time that I checked. I realize that this isn't the normal type of thread and it may not generate a lot of interest but I just was thinking about it and what better place than here to ask about it? Thanks!
nschiwy said:
So the title pretty much explains it. What is the likelyhood that someone could port the new kindle fire software to the old KF? If the aspect ratio is the same it seems like it should be possible because both are based off of Gingerbread (I think). It is also possible that Amazon is planning on updating the old KF to the new software but I just went to the website where the updates are (http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=200790620) and I am fairly certain that even though I haven't been on stock for a very long time that it is still the same that it was the last time that I checked. I realize that this isn't the normal type of thread and it may not generate a lot of interest but I just was thinking about it and what better place than here to ask about it? Thanks!
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Its definitely posable, Its just a matter of doing it.
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Its definitely posable, Its just a matter of doing it.
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I would volunteer to head the project if I knew what I were doing. The only experience I have with cooking roms is in android kitchen so I am pretty much in the dark...
certainly more possible than the reverse
Thepooch said:
certainly more possible than the reverse
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haha possible is one thing, I think that it's just extremely unlikely that someone would want to. Although, I've sometimes wished I could run GB on my gnex but nobody would ever try to build GB for the gnex because it was shipped with ICS
I got TWRP to attempt to flash the new update for the 2nd generation (it got to 70/80% before hanging), it's just the bootloader files that are keeping me from doing so. There are two flash instructions though... An engineer version, and a production one. Changes to the updater script and removal of some files is all we really need.
I have absolutely no idea how to do that though.
this is certainly the place to find someone that does
Here's the source: http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=200203720
Jessical said:
I got TWRP to attempt to flash the new update for the 2nd generation (it got to 70/80% before hanging), it's just the bootloader files that are keeping me from doing so. There are two flash instructions though... An engineer version, and a production one. Changes to the updater script and removal of some files is all we really need.
I have absolutely no idea how to do that though.
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That's a pretty gutsy move to try and flash the update without changes to the updater-script. The script tries to flash both the xloader and bootloader. Had it been successful, your device probably would have been bricked and left you only the possibility of usb boot to recover it. Anyway, I was curious about the possibility of getting our KFs to boot with this 2nd generation software, so I did some experimenting.
It's not the bootloaders that keep it from flashing... In fact, there's no way to get it to flash on the 1st generation KF without modifying both the updater-script and the partition table. Here is a list of items that need to be manipulated first...
- The updater-script uses the ICS style by-name references to the partitions. All of them need to be changed to refer to the partitions correctly.
- The section of the script that flashes the bootloaders and the boot partition are enclosed inside of a check of the product name that fails. These conditions have to be removed so the boot image can be flashed. I actually commented out the entire section with the exception of the command that flashes the boot partition.
- The system directory is now larger than the original KF partitioning will allow. The system partition must be enlarged to accommodate the difference. I shrunk the userdata partition to provide more room to the system partition. I suppose one could prune some files out of the system directory and make it fit into the existing partition, but I didn't want to try and figure out what was important or not.
The above changes should be enough to get TWRP to flash the update completely. Unfortunately, it won't even pretend to boot as it never gets out of the bootloader. Unless someone else has some useful insights, I think this particular idea is pretty much dead in the water.
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That's a pretty gutsy move to try and flash the update without changes to the updater-script. The script tries to flash both the xloader and bootloader. Had it been successful, your device probably would have been bricked and left you only the possibility of usb boot to recover it. Anyway, I was curious about the possibility of getting our KFs to boot with this 2nd generation software, so I did some experimenting.
It's not the bootloaders that keep it from flashing... In fact, there's no way to get it to flash on the 1st generation KF without modifying both the updater-script and the partition table. Here is a list of items that need to be manipulated first...
- The updater-script uses the ICS style by-name references to the partitions. All of them need to be changed to refer to the partitions correctly.
- The section of the script that flashes the bootloaders and the boot partition are enclosed inside of a check of the product name that fails. These conditions have to be removed so the boot image can be flashed. I actually commented out the entire section with the exception of the command that flashes the boot partition.
- The system directory is now larger than the original KF partitioning will allow. The system partition must be enlarged to accommodate the difference. I shrunk the userdata partition to provide more room to the system partition. I suppose one could prune some files out of the system directory and make it fit into the existing partition, but I didn't want to try and figure out what was important or not.
The above changes should be enough to get TWRP to flash the update completely. Unfortunately, it won't even pretend to boot as it never gets out of the bootloader. Unless someone else has some useful insights, I think this particular idea is pretty much dead in the water.
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yeah!
we need to modify the updater-script!
how can we change the MLO and xloader?
Josepho1997 said:
This is probably a stupid question, but is there supposed to be a updater-script, or at least any apps inside the .tar.gz?
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I'm really glad that we have gotten a conversation started about this. Does anyone think that there is a likelihood of Amazon updating the software for the 1st gen or is the hardware on the new one significantly different from the old one that they are probably going to just continue to send out bug fixes until they stop supporting it?
Hey. I was wondering if somebody could port the new launcher to the original fire because that is what I really want. Is that possible?
2390 said:
Hey. I was wondering if somebody could port the new launcher to the original fire because that is what I really want. Is that possible?
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Rather than let this go on a lengthy discussion, detracting from the original topic, I'm just going to say...
No, it is not possible.
Hmm... would it be possible to modify an existing ics rom to get just the launcher?
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...detracting from the original topic...
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There are plenty of other posts on that topic.
Where?
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How? Please tell me!!!!!!
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2390 said:
How? Please tell me!!!!!!
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Since this is obviously a lesson in futility, I'll play along.
Do you know anything about ROM development and programming?
A little. But I will be willing to try. I can learn quickly.
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You can get the Kindle Fire's source code from Amazon's website. Set up your build environment and get to work. I will say this...Many experienced minds before you have tried, and failed.
This is the newest version of Clockwork Recovery- 6.0.1.5 -non-touch
I claim no credit for any of this. I am only posting this because the latest version available on the official ClockworkMod page is still 6.0.1.0.
This recovery was compiled from source, along with a personal CM10 project I'm working on. Please note that this is included with the CyanogenMod source, so anyone building it will end up with the newest recovery image in their OUT folder.
So, for anyone still using Clockwork Recovery, (I do), here you are!
All credit to Koushik Dutta (Koush)--the creator of what I think is still a great recovery.
More info on his work can be found at http://www.ClockworkMod.com/rommanager
Thanks dude!
Here is the touch version of 6.0.1.5 http://d-h.st/1Kk. I built this last night using the recovery builder found here http://builder.clockworkmod.com/ with the 6.0.1.0 version as a base.
EDIT/ I FORGOT TO MENTION. I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING WORKING OR NOT WORKING WITH THIS RECOVERY. I ASSUME NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR BROKEN DEVICES. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. THANK YOU
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This is the newest version of Clockwork Recovery- 6.0.1.5 -non-touch
I claim no credit for any of this. I am only posting this because the latest version available on the official ClockworkMod page is still 6.0.1.0.
This recovery was compiled from source, along with a personal CM10 project I'm working on. Please note that this is included with the CyanogenMod source, so anyone building it will end up with the newest recovery image in their OUT folder.
So, for anyone still using Clockwork Recovery, (I do), here you are!
All credit to Koushik Dutta (Koush)--the creator of what I think is still a great recovery.
More info on his work can be found at http://www.ClockworkMod.com/rommanager
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Is 6.0.1.5 the version that has the option for tar (non-blob) backup?
Yes it has that option
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TransWarp said:
Is 6.0.1.5 the version that has the option for tar (non-blob) backup?
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Yes, this version includes both tar and dup (data blob) backup formats. Tar formatting was re-added in 6.0.1.2.
So you can have either quick, large backups; or slower, slimmer backups with this version.
There's also an interesting adb sideload option as well. Not useful for most casual users, however, the more adventurous users will have a purpose for it from time to time.
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Thanks dude!
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You are very welcome sir! Thank you for visiting the very first thread that I've ever posted on XDA. Never even started a question thread before. I'm working pretty freaking hard, on personal projects, as well as school stuff, so you should be seeing a lot more from me in the not-too-distant future. I've been looking forward to contributing more for a long time, and I'm excited to give back something with some more substance. I never stop learning at xda. I owe a lot to this place. :fingers-crossed:
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You are very welcome sir! Thank you for visiting the very first thread that I've ever posted on XDA. Never even started a question thread before. I'm working pretty freaking hard, on personal projects, as well as school stuff, so you should be seeing a lot more from me in the not-too-distant future. I've been looking forward to contributing more for a long time, and I'm excited to give back something with some more substance. I never stop learning at xda. I owe a lot to this place. :fingers-crossed:
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Thanks for this CWM. The touch version is nice to have, if your device supports it. I have one question though. Is this version still buggy? Any issues so far? Why hasn't it been posted on Koush's site yet? I would give it a whirl but I'm a bit wary; I wouldn't want to mess with my working 6.0.1.0 touch unless I'm 100% positive this has no issues.
Thanks again.
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Thanks for this CWM. The touch version is nice to have, if your device supports it. I have one question though. Is this version still buggy? Any issues so far? Why hasn't it been posted on Koush's site yet? I would give it a whirl but I'm a bit wary; I wouldn't want to mess with my working 6.0.1.0 touch unless I'm 100% positive this has no issues.
Thanks again.
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You're welcome. I wholeheartedly appreciate you visiting my thread.
To answer your questions- no, this version is nothing to be afraid of, and definitely not buggy. In fact, the first couple releases of 6.0.x.x were extremely buggy for many people, and 6.0.1.2 was were things seemed to get evened out. If you are still on 6.0.1.0, I would personally suggest updating to at least 6.0.1.2, as it is at least as stable as 6.0.1.0, while adding in a new feature or two. Most issues at the start of v6 releases were about people's backups being extremely slow, and it turned out to mainly be a conflict between Google Play Music and the way the data blob backup folders were executed/cleaned during backup. Google Play Music has a unique way of storing it's music, and it seemed to be responsible for terrible backup times and rebooting during backup(on some devices--never happened to me).
I was using 6.0.1.2 until a few days ago, and everything was always awesome. This version has backups in data blob format going considerably faster for me. It also has an adb-sideload option incorporated ( newest TWRP includes it too). These are the biggest differences, and there is nothing experimental to be wary of. I definitely understand any hesitation, and I think that it's better to be responsible/careful than to be sorry later. As for the exact reason why Koush hasn't put it on the website yet, I couldn't tell you for sure. He's always done releases this way, and if I had to guess, I'd say he waits for more "milestone" type releases to put a new official version up; which does cut down on the questions, help-requests, and other frantic stuff that new releases bring. 6.0.1.0 isn't the most polished or full-featured, but nothing is really wrong, and he probably just doesn't wanna cause a hype.
Again though, this is 100% safe to update to, and will just polish the experience up a bit. It only gets better, regardless of how significantly.
Let me know if you have any more questions. I'd be happy to help
Nick
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You're welcome. I wholeheartedly appreciate you visiting my thread.
To answer your questions- no, this version is nothing to be afraid of, and definitely not buggy. In fact, the first couple releases of 6.0.x.x were extremely buggy for many people, and 6.0.1.2 was were things seemed to get evened out. If you are still on 6.0.1.0, I would personally suggest updating to at least 6.0.1.2, as it is at least as stable as 6.0.1.0, while adding in a new feature or two. Most issues at the start of v6 releases were about people's backups being extremely slow, and it turned out to mainly be a conflict between Google Play Music and the way the data blob backup folders were executed/cleaned during backup. Google Play Music has a unique way of storing it's music, and it seemed to be responsible for terrible backup times and rebooting during backup(on some devices--never happened to me).
I was using 6.0.1.2 until a few days ago, and everything was always awesome. This version has backups in data blob format going considerably faster for me. It also has an adb-sideload option incorporated ( newest TWRP includes it too). These are the biggest differences, and there is nothing experimental to be wary of. I definitely understand any hesitation, and I think that it's better to be responsible/careful than to be sorry later. As for the exact reason why Koush hasn't put it on the website yet, I couldn't tell you for sure. He's always done releases this way, and if I had to guess, I'd say he waits for more "milestone" type releases to put a new official version up; which does cut down on the questions, help-requests, and other frantic stuff that new releases bring. 6.0.1.0 isn't the most polished or full-featured, but nothing is really wrong, and he probably just doesn't wanna cause a hype.
Again though, this is 100% safe to update to, and will just polish the experience up a bit. It only gets better, regardless of how significantly.
Let me know if you have any more questions. I'd be happy to help
Nick
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Top notch response. Thanks...
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One question. How does the sideload thingy work? What's it all about?
Anytime
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Anytime
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Noob question: how does one go about installing this over TWRP? I understand it's a .img file but I don't know what do.
crossen0 said:
Noob question: how does one go about installing this over TWRP? I understand it's a .img file but I don't know what do.
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The same way you installed twrp? Boot into fast boot mode and fastboot flash recovery name-of-recovery.img. Replace name of with the actual name of the image. Or you could download and install flash GUI and flash the image through the app.
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Noob question: how does one go about installing this over TWRP? I understand it's a .img file but I don't know what do.
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Though your question may be a bit noobish, it is an absolutely essential process to learn in the custom Android world, and for fear of looking stupid, many beginners skip asking and learning about this very amazing tool. So before I go any further, I'd like to compliment you on being confident enough to ask for help when you need it. It's an extremely important skill that many of us forget around here, as we all want to be seen as a "know-it-all" sometimes, severely inhibiting our abilities to advance. So yeah, just wanted to mention that, lol.
Now, the tool to do this is fastboot. Are you familiar with the concepts of adb and/or fastboot in any way?
Also, what computer operating system do you use?
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Though your question may be a bit noobish, it is an absolutely essential process to learn in the custom Android world, and for fear of looking stupid, many beginners skip asking and learning about this very amazing tool. So before I go any further, I'd like to compliment you on being confident enough to ask for help when you need it. It's an extremely important skill that many of us forget around here, as we all want to be seen as a "know-it-all" sometimes, severely inhibiting our abilities to advance. So yeah, just wanted to mention that, lol.
Now, the tool to do this is fastboot. Are you familiar with the concepts of adb and/or fastboot in any way?
Also, what computer operating system do you use?
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I appreciate the help. I had not flashed a recovery in a while as I've been using TWRP since I bought the phone. I used the Toolkit to temporarily boot into CWM to flash the GSIII Launcher and theme since it doesn't play well with TWRP. I appreciate the quick response and willingness to help.
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I appreciate the help. I had not flashed a recovery in a while as I've been using TWRP since I bought the phone. I used the Toolkit to temporarily boot into CWM to flash the GSIII Launcher and theme since it doesn't play well with TWRP. I appreciate the quick response and willingness to help.
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Definitely try to learn fast boot man. The toolkits are cool, but a minor mistake can make using one a nightmare. If you learn fastboot, you will always be able to fix your device. Plus it is the proper and preferred method for flashing a recovery, radio, or bootloader. It is an invaluable tool for for flashing.
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I appreciate the help. I had not flashed a recovery in a while as I've been using TWRP since I bought the phone. I used the Toolkit to temporarily boot into CWM to flash the GSIII Launcher and theme since it doesn't play well with TWRP. I appreciate the quick response and willingness to help.
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I'm happy to be able to help man.
If you want a quick fix until I have some time to more time to explain fastboot thoroughly, I can do that for the moment.
The toolkit that mkskip has put together for everyone is very handy. It is basically like having all the essential tools, like fastboot, installed for you in their most lean form, without needing the whole android SDK installed. It also gives you a logical interface to interact with all that stuff. The toolkit installs all these tools within a folder on the root of your C drive. If you go to the root of your C drive, you'll see that folder, which is called 'Galaxy Nexus Toolkit'(or something). If go inside that directory, there's a folder called put imgs to flash here. There are several ways to do things in the toolkit folders, but basically, this is one folder you can insert imgs in to fastboot flash them.
Let me know if you're with me so far. I'm going by my memory of all this stuff because I don't use toolkits or Windows anymore. I can guide you through this, and during the process, hopefully broaden your understanding of fastboot at the same time. I'll need you to do some searching of your own during the process, or it wont make any sense at all, but I can definetly guide you through.
There's no need for the toolkit to flash a recovery.
Literally just CD to the folder the .img is in and run "fastboot flash recovery (whatever your recovery is named).img".
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There's no need for the toolkit to flash a recovery.
Literally just CD to the folder the .img is in and run "fastboot flash recovery (whatever your recovery is named).img".
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Dude, I'm not stupid. I'm trying to explain it in a way he is already familiar with.
Jesus.
Is anyone trying to build lineage 15.1 for this device? I have been trying unsuccessfully for two months. I have gotten as far as like 30%. I changed a few lines here and there and got it to build a kernel but, after it builds the kernel it runs into sepolicy errors. I'm making progress but I was wondering if anyone else was trying and had knowledge we might could swap? I'm not a full fledged developer but I have made progress.
You could ask for help from previous mainteiners of this device.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga.../rom-octos-t3532529/post75186090#post75186090 the reply on this post said he will maintain the device he was on octos team .you can ask him for help, hope he can
https://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=6264948 his page
I don't think we will ever get 15.1. Last time I checked the kernel change, it's huge. Almost you need to rewrite everything... Can't use the old stuff. To be honest, it's not hard to port a rom. You can learn it to do it yourself in probably a day. But to build a kernel, it will take a team plus many months. It's not a one man's job. Most of the kernel developers here are taking a similar device as a base and port new functions or changes. Unless we can get a similar base, I don't think we will get a kernel works for 15.1.
It's not easy but I think it's possible I keep trying in my free time that I don't seem to have alot of
I have gotten it to compile to 52%. I ran into a failed parsing overlays error and I am trying to work through this error. Alot of work and time has been invested in this I'm hoping it pays off soon.
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I have gotten it to compile to 52%. I ran into a failed parsing overlays error and I am trying to work through this error. Alot of work and time has been invested in this I'm hoping it pays off soon.
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you can do it bro :good::victory:
Still encountering errors but I've gotten it to 75% or better. Still trying
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Still encountering errors but I've gotten it to 75% or better. Still trying
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Awesome, bro
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It's not easy but I think it's possible I keep trying in my free time that I don't seem to have alot of
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Good luck to you. What's your base?
I've gotten all the way through the build basically. But I keep getting a recovery partition size too large error. I am trying to work it out. Not very successfully but I am still trying. I have devoted all of my free time into trying to get this done. Hopefully it's worth it. Even if it builds the Ota zip, it may still not even boot. But I am dedicated to attempting to make this happen.
I finished still gotta try to flash it. About to pass out no sleep in a while.
Wouldn't flash. Changed updater script to kinda force it to flash. It flashed but will not boot and messes up the system mounting. I guess I will go back over my device files try to work on the partitions and other stuff.
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Wouldn't flash. Changed updater script to kinda force it to flash. It flashed but will not boot and messes up the system mounting. I guess I will go back over my device files try to work on the partitions and other stuff.
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Awesome! Glad someone is doing this for us!
Don't give up bro! And try to ask for some help.
I managed to compile the recovery it's still a little iffy but it does flash and factory reset. dirty flashing works but if you factory reset first it deletes everything and does not mount to the usb to the computer. It also does not match the assert right. what i did was unzip the d2att rom.zip , delete the assert line on the META-INF/com/google/updater-script, and re-zip to get it to flash. It did flash. haven't tried with a SD card yet. So it's not where it needs to be just yet. If you plan on messing with this recovery it will flash in TWRP under install/install image the lineage recovery will not flash an image so make sure you know how to flash one in odin, and have everything ready if you plan on going back to a different recovery. The rom i built with it flashes tries to boot up led light pulses like 7 times and then goes into download mode . Making progress but I'm going to be taking a break for a few days. AYOR I assume no responsibilty for whatever you may do to your device with this file. if you dont know what you are doing dont mess with it if you do its At Your Own Risk . Enjoy.
if anyone wants to check it out here is the download link
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https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=11410932744536990805
Truly appreciate the amount of time, effort, and sleeplessness you have put into and endured for this development! :angel:
Can you not use twrp?
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Good luck to you. What's your base?
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Not really sure if I understand the question. I'm using the d2att device tree. Msm8960 board, krait architecture. I built for the klte (krait, Msm8974) which is very similar so I could see how everything goes down then compare, make changes, and wait an extremely long time for the build to compile. My computer is old. I run into .jackserver problems like there's no tomorrow. I am a landscaper I cut grass. build walls, lay sod, plans flowers,trees, dig up flowers,trees, etc. That being said I am a tad out of my element but I started doing android developmental things on my s2 and have not stopped sometimes I think smoking crack would be easier but I kinda enjoy this type of stuff. Just basically saying I have no clue what I'm doing in technical terms but I can read compare and research and maybe get something accomplished
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Can you not use twrp?
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Yeah I can use TWRP.?? I can use what I have build a new one etc. But I'm trying to build 15.1 for the d2att and lineage recovery is included in the build