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I was wondering if was even possible, i noticed that verizon doesn't even have a windows mobile 7 phone and i'd like to play with it for a bit and yes the whole xbox live thing interests me
Then you will have to wait for verizon to have a WP7 Phone. Even if a rom was somehow ported over and made to work with the Increbile, it would be very limited, and it's already been said that the xbox live function would not be able to work. I don't have the link for it but a quick google search should net you that information.
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I was wondering if was even possible, i noticed that verizon doesn't even have a windows mobile 7 phone and i'd like to play with it for a bit and yes the whole xbox live thing interests me
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Bobboman, that would be an interesting concept. I wrote the thread regarding possibly porting over a BBerry 6 styled UI, but no takers and don't even know if it is possible at that.
MIUI gives you an iPhoneish experience and that makes me believe if somebody invested their time in prepping such a ROM resembling WP7 or BBerry 6, it could be accomplished. Again, i'm just speculating here, but I like where your head is at and I too look forward to anything our crazy bad ass Dev's come up with.
it really would, i did like MIUI but at the same time it felt way too much like the Iphone for me to continue using it though my ex girlfriend is using it on her droid OG
Bobboman said:
it really would, i did like MIUI but at the same time it felt way too much like the Iphone for me to continue using it though my ex girlfriend is using it on her droid OG
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I had the same issue. The trick to miui is using the aosp elements theme. No more iPhoney icons.
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There is a WP7 theme, if you just want the look. The info is in Android Themes and Apps.
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Bobboman, that would be an interesting concept. I wrote the thread regarding possibly porting over a BBerry 6 styled UI, but no takers and don't even know if it is possible at that.
MIUI gives you an iPhoneish experience and that makes me believe if somebody invested their time in prepping such a ROM resembling WP7 or BBerry 6, it could be accomplished. Again, i'm just speculating here, but I like where your head is at and I too look forward to anything our crazy bad ass Dev's come up with.
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Cooking a ROM that has a similar feel to WP7 and actually porting it (which is what the OP wants) are two entirely different animals. Customizing the appearance of the UI is one thing... actually implementing the functionality that's core to WP7 is an entirely different animal. Since WP7 is not open source, a successful port is extremely problematic at best... even Android to Android ports have their limitations (such as those found in the Desire Z ports).
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Cooking a ROM that has a similar feel to WP7 and actually porting it (which is what the OP wants) are two entirely different animals. Customizing the appearance of the UI is one thing... actually implementing the functionality that's core to WP7 is an entirely different animal. Since WP7 is not open source, a successful port is extremely problematic at best... even Android to Android ports have their limitations (such as those found in the Desire Z ports).
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Thanks for actually trying to explain the difficulty in porting such a ROM instead of bashing me for asking or proposing a similiar idea.
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Thanks for actually trying to explain the difficulty in porting such a ROM instead of bashing me for asking or proposing a similiar idea.
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No bashing here. Some rabid purists would say, "If you want the ____ experience, you should buy a ____ phone". Hell, one of the main bennies of our phones is customization.
Like I said though, it would be possible for someone with talent (that I admittantly lack) to come up with a similar UI. But without access to source, porting the functionality that we'd want from WP7 isn't especially probable.
thanks for explaining that najaboy i figured that it was as simple as getting ahold of stock windows mobile 7 giving it the Inc drivers and going from there
i saw that the HD2 is running it so i thought it might be possible to bring it to the inc even with basic functionality if i knew how to even attempt it i would my self
and yea themeing is not something i'm interested in, i do like the stock look of android but windows mobile 7 would be fun to play with i think
and saying if you like it so much why don't you buy it is such a stupid thing to say as 1) verizon doesn't have it and 2) when i upgraded to the incredible windows mobile 7 wasn't even out yet
I see no need for a tablet, I really have no interest in buying one at all. Not even if Google launches a $200 one. Its either I'm on my phone or I'm on my laptop. Tablets fill that space in between but there really nothing more than a bigger phone screen and a crappier laptop in my opinion.
Also is androind ever going to support Java?
Stop starting pointless threads. First of all lots of ppl have tablets and 2nd of all parts of android are coded in Java seeing as how you need a Java development kit to dev for android I don't quite understand your questions and I'm not quite sure you know what you are talking about
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2nd of all tablets are a great solution for ppl who have busy lives and don't want to look at small phone screens. OR pull out a laptop that has to boot up, log in, and you have to use a touchpad unless you have a desk available. Tablets have you more mobility and a touch interface. Easier to use when your busy and on the go.
If you see no need for tablets then tablets simply aren't for you.
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-EViL-KoNCEPTz- is right Java is necessary to even run android much less develop for it.
2nd of all tablets are a great solution for ppl who have busy lives and don't want to look at small phone screens. OR pull out a laptop that has to boot up, log in, and you have to use a touchpad unless you have a desk available. Tablets have you more mobility and a touch interface. Easier to use when your busy and on the go.
If you see no need for tablets then tablets simply aren't for you.
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Exactly, and they're convenient for travel, when you only need the internet and don't need the cumbersome laptop. Also, if you're a student, you can use them to take notes.
I used to think tablets were kind of redundant when the iPad was announced. I always figured if I ever needed some form of portable computing, aside from my phone, I would just buy a netbook of some kind.
However, I've opened up to the idea. More and more I see how it can be really useful while in class or at work. Even more so while traveling; I personally don't like taking out a laptop out of my pack while in a crammed chair and having to wait for a lengthy boot.
Once Win 8 is released and more products like Asus's Pad Phone and Transformer Prime, as well as better cpu and battery tech, tablets will be a lot more practical. Of course, ultra portable laptops will still be ideal, heck why not have both. Tablets are just a lot more inexpensive and offer a lot more practicality.
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I used to think tablets were kind of redundant when the iPad was announced. I always figured if I ever needed some form of portable computing, aside from my phone, I would just buy a netbook of some kind.
However, I've opened up to the idea. More and more I see how it can be really useful while in class or at work. Even more so while traveling; I personally don't like taking out a laptop out of my pack while in a crammed chair and having to wait for a lengthy boot.
Once Win 8 is released and more products like Asus's Pad Phone and Transformer Prime, as well as better cpu and battery tech, tablets will be a lot more practical. Of course, ultra portable laptops will still be ideal, heck why not have both. Tablets are just a lot more inexpensive and offer a lot more practicality.
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This is exactly why the transformer was invented by Asus. The ability to have a tablet when you want it and a laptop when you don't. Also Asus now has a Windows 7 slate that can be modded to dual boot Honeycomb.
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This is exactly why the transformer was invented by Asus. The ability to have a tablet when you want it and a laptop when you don't. Also Asus now has a Windows 7 slate that can be modded to dual boot Honeycomb.
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Is that Win 7 tablet like their Transformer series? I would love to have something like the Transformer but I must have windows and seeing as how Microsoft plans to lock down their devices to prevent other OSes to boot, I'm kind of in a bad spot. I'm sure though that once they are released the devs will figure out a way to bypass the locks in place.
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Is that Win 7 tablet like their Transformer series? I would love to have something like the Transformer but I must have windows and seeing as how Microsoft plans to lock down their devices to prevent other OSes to boot, I'm kind of in a bad spot. I'm sure though that once they are released the devs will figure out a way to bypass the locks in place.
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Not quite. Here is a link to what I was talking about.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834230140
Think of a tablet, but with Windows 7, dual core proc, 4 GB of RAM, and a 64 GB SSD. It also has a bluetooth kb for easier use when not as mobile. My wife wants one really bad.
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Not quite. Here is a link to what I was talking about.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834230140
Think of a tablet, but with Windows 7, dual core proc, 4 GB of RAM, and a 64 GB SSD. It also has a bluetooth kb for easier use when not as mobile. My wife wants one really bad.
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Wow, that looks pretty amazing. I'm definitely adding this to my wish list. I had contemplated Win 7 tablets before but now that I know Honey Comb has been successfully installed, I'm considering them even more. Thanks!
Btw I stumbled upon your ICS rom a few days ago. I wanted to comment but I haven't gotten to a post count of 10 yet. It looks really great though, I'm gonna flash it to my stay at home Evo and test it out. I love your attitude and the way you handled everything and everyone's criticism. Well played! I'm glad we have people like you on this forum, and the world in general.
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Wow, that looks pretty amazing. I'm definitely adding this to my wish list. I had contemplated Win 7 tablets before but now that I know Honey Comb has been successfully installed, I'm considering thethanksm even more. Thanks!
Btw I stumbled upon your ICS rom a few days ago. I wanted to comment but I haven't gotten to a post count of 10 yet. It looks really great though, I'm gonna flash it to my stay at home Evo and test it out. I love your attitude and the way you handled everything and everyone's criticism. Well played! I'm glad we have people like you on this forum, and the world in general.
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Thanks bro. Release 5 in the next day or so. I would wait. It should be amazing.
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Thanks bro. Release 5 in the next day or so. I would wait. It should be amazing.
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Awesome, thanks for the heads up!
(Wow, these captchas are getting more and more complex lol)
Java may be involved in the making but when I go on the web Java doesn't work. I guess I should have been more specific, so that I wasn't blatenly treated like an android hater. My point with tablets is they just can't do everything. They're only half as capable as a laptop. For me im doing quick web searches and apps on my phone and the heavy stuff on my laptop. Another person complained about start up times. My laptop runs vista Buisness and boots up just as fast if not faster then my evo 4g. Its tweaked to perform better and faster but then again I image most people at xda tweak their devices.
Lastly this is q&a and both my questions where just that, questions. they are not pointless to me and I have a right to ask them. In asking them j had hoped to gain some reasoning on why a tablet purchase could be neccessary. And as far as Java goes I was hopping to learn if Google has plans to get Java working in the web browser or if there is already somethining out there that works.
I just wanted to share a video of the Chameleon Launcher. Overall the Launcher is nice but in its Beta form it is limited in wallpaper and widgets. Couple points listed below but watch the video to see in action
Only Chameleon Widgets Allowed (Limited Right Now 5)
No Folder Support
No Apps Shortcuts in the Main Screen
Works in Landscape and Portrait
Home dock selected based on Time of Day, Location, and/or Connected Network
Overall Appealing and Smooth Design
I feel it has great potential
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUI2oPNqBW4&hd=1
I just got an email from the Chameleon team saying that I should be receiving instructions on how to activate my pre-order of the Chameleon launcher this week. It's different from any other launcher that I've seen and I'm really excited to finally be able to load it up on my N7.
Just got my beta invite.
Activated and launched.
So far I like it. It will take some getting used.
Definitely has some great potential.
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I personally didn't like it much. Too limited ATM, but it has some great potential.
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I personally didn't like it much. Too limited ATM, but it has some great potential.
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will wait for the official pack then purchase.
So Far so Good
I got my invite and install today and I can gladly say that I am pleased with it! For a pre-beta I only had it crash once or twice while pushing it through a lot. It has so much potential and is going to get so very great! I would say by mid-September this will be complete and ready for a full release. My only problem with it right now is that it is a little odd having only 6 spots on a 7in device for my widgets (other users, you will understand). But my N7 is rooted and Parandroid is looking good, so with more time and tablet ui really expanding I can't wait to force the app into a larger dpi! That should give us more options!
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Just installed it and played around with it for a bit. It's too buggy and crashes all the time. And every time it crashes, my widgets mess up so I have to redo them.
Twitter widget only let's you read them or click links in tweets. Can't reply or do anything. Email widget only shows NEW email instead of all email.
I'm sure they'll iron out the kinks.
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I just got an email from the Chameleon team saying that I should be receiving instructions on how to activate my pre-order of the Chameleon launcher this week. It's different from any other launcher that I've seen and I'm really excited to finally be able to load it up on my N7.
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Same here. I'll give it a shot once I get the the activation email, but I don't expect much since it's in beta. However I hope they frequently update, I'd be happy to see improvements every few days.
as stated above, not much use at the moment, but has potential
Where, exactly, is the potential benefit you guys are seeing beyond already available launchers and modifications?
Just looks to me like they figured out how to get $10 out of people for something they could do for infinitely less and about the same time commitment.
The beta launcher is nice,.. but i dont want to buy 8$ for a beta launcher
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The beta launcher is nice,.. but i dont want to buy 8$ for a beta launcher
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Unlike Minecraft, which costs 7 bucks and has been in beta for about a year now, teknision stated the official version of Chameleon will be released in late Sept. So backers and preorders are getting the beta a month early. I have a feeling they are going to charge more once it's officially released.
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Where, exactly, is the potential benefit you guys are seeing beyond already available launchers and modifications?
Just looks to me like they figured out how to get $10 out of people for something they could do for infinitely less and about the same time commitment.
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I kind of view the potential like Google Now. Which learns basic things and aggregates some information that it thinks useful for you, whether it be baseball, directions getting home, or the weather. If they can effectively achieve a user interface that can evolve to your day, and present the information that matters most to you on the homescreen, it could be really neat. Right now it doesn't really show that and is limited.
The other thing that really interested me and they showed in one of their concept demo but it seems was removed (anyone confirm?) that you could have multiple user profiles and have a login screen. Which especially on a tablet that is used by myself and others, I would love to have. The other thing they showed is to stream media from your tablet to your tv, but while this is streaming you can still use your tablet, the streaming is in the background. Again it seems this feature is not going to be included, but perhaps enough friendly :angel: nudges from the community can put them back on track
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Where, exactly, is the potential benefit you guys are seeing beyond already available launchers and modifications?
Just looks to me like they figured out how to get $10 out of people for something they could do for infinitely less and about the same time commitment.
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THe widgets are HTML5. So if you can code HTML, you can make a widget for it when the API is released. People who haven't developed for Android in the past will be able to develop widgets for this without having to know Android code. Plus with the way the app and widgets are designed, you won't have those funky size widgets that don't fill the space, so you end up with the edges of the widgets not matcng up and it doesn't look too good.
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Where, exactly, is the potential benefit you guys are seeing beyond already available launchers and modifications?
Just looks to me like they figured out how to get $10 out of people for something they could do for infinitely less and about the same time commitment.
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I kind of view the potential like Google Now. Which learns basic things and aggregates some information that it thinks useful for you, whether it be baseball, directions getting home, or the weather. If they can effectively achieve a user interface that can evolve to your day, and present the information that matters most to you on the homescreen, it could be really neat. Right now it doesn't really show that and is limited.
The other thing that really interested me and they showed in one of their concept demo but it seems was removed (anyone confirm?) that you could have multiple user profiles and have a login screen. Which especially on a tablet that is used by myself and others, I would love to have. The other thing they showed is to stream media from your tablet to your tv, but while this is streaming you can still use your tablet, the streaming is in the background. Again it seems this feature is not going to be included, but perhaps enough friendly :angel: nudges from the community can put them back on track
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You can have multiple screens that the app can automatically switch to depending on various factors. Like you can have a morning screen, ten when you go to work, it can switch to a work screen. There was never multiple "profiles" unless that is what you consider a profile to be.
I didn't know where to take this, but since I kinda live here I thought I'd ask you guys, it's sort of a dumb general question I've been wondering.
I'm not sure what goes into an OS, I mean, we have TouchWiz and AOSP and it seems like whether you go one way or another you're stuck in either the TouchWiz or AOSP world. I know there is Sense as well (and maybe more I don't know of) and there are people trying to port that over but this all leads to my actual question. What is stopping one of you from making your own entire OS for the GS3? Now I'm not expecting one, nor am I asking for one, I'm just wondering what is stopping the community from making one. It seems like if I was a developer, I'd have some fun taking a stab at creating an OS. Is it app compatibility? That's the only thing I can think of, but then again I'm not a dev so I don't know squat!
Just a random question I've been mulling over, if it's a futile question then oh well, if it's too much to explain then maybe you can lead me to an article or page where I can read up on it.
I'm just a curious fella.
Ah haha. Don't worry, it's good to be curious. You learn stuff
I think the main reason is that it's an enormous amount of work. I mean, in distributing or creating anything really, there's the prototyping stage-determining what components work best for what the OS will/should feature, the development stage-actually building the OS from the ground up, including drivers, sensors, etc, and then the testing stage-finding and squashing bugs, and making the final adjustments.
It's really a lot of work, and I think thats why we've only seen companies come up with new OSes for Android because they have the time, money, resources, and personnel to get it done and distributed.
I don't think it's like "oh no one has come up with the idea for an OS"...its actually implementing those ideas that is the difficult part
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Ah haha. Don't worry, it's good to be curious. You learn stuff
I think the main reason is that it's an enormous amount of work. I mean, in distributing or creating anything really, there's the prototyping stage-determining what components work best for what the OS will/should feature, the development stage-actually building the OS from the ground up, including drivers, sensors, etc, and then the testing stage-finding and squashing bugs, and making the final adjustments.
It's really a lot of work, and I think thats why we've only seen companies come up with new OSes for Android because they have the time, money, resources, and personnel to get it done and distributed.
I don't think it's like "oh no one has come up with the idea for an OS"...its actually implementing those ideas that is the difficult part
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That's more or less what I figured, well I only figure as much as the part with companies having all the time, resources, and personnel. But I kind of hoped it would be possible for like a group of 10-15 devs to get together a brew up an OS but I guess not. That's cool though I mean I guess you have to respect the OS'es that do exist in today's market, no matter how clunky and full of bloatware they may be.
I've been thinking about this for a while but what prompted me to come here and ask about it is I read this article about how this rag-tag team from Nokia made their own OS and they say in the article that the team hopes to inspire newcomers.
IMO it's still pretty cool, and I think every dev here should have a little hope, maybe companies will start looking to places like XDA to hire developers for their R&D eh?
Anyway thanks for the info CNexus
Keep in mind aosp is the pure system as Google intended it. It's android at its purest form. TW MOTOBLUR SENSE these are all skinned add on to the OS that manufacturers add into it to make it unique. Mostly marketing purposes to say my device is better than that guys because I have these features.
But a true stock aosp rom is Android at its purest, that is how the Nexus line is distributed. When I received my Gnex it was almost perfect as it came not one single app on Sprint bloatware was on the device.
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Keep in mind aosp is the pure system as Google intended it. It's android at its purest form. TW MOTOBLUR SENSE these are all skinned add on to the OS that manufacturers add into it to make it unique. Mostly marketing purposes to say my device is better than that guys because I have these features.
But a true stock aosp rom is Android at its purest, that is how the Nexus line is distributed. When I received my Gnex it was almost perfect as it came not one single app on Sprint bloatware was on the device.
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But isn't installing an AOSP app for TW akin to trying to install a program for windows on a mac? I understand what you're saying, that all the OSes out today are just manipulations of AOSP but aren't they still full fledged operating systems in their own right?
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But isn't installing an AOSP app for TW akin to trying to install a program for windows on a mac? I understand what you're saying, that all the OSes out today are just manipulations of AOSP but aren't they still full fledged operating systems in their own right?
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It's not like Mac vs. Apple Windows... Some apps require you to be running TW while other require Sense. This is because they call upon the modified frameworks to work. I'll provide a story as an illustration.
Back when I had an Evo 4G, I liked the weather animation when unlocking the phone (if it was raining, it'd wipe away water drops when you unlocked the phone: pretty nifty). The only reason that worked is because HTC had modified the framework to allow animations while unlocking. If I was able to decompile the unlock app and try to install it on a TW Rom, it wouldn't work because the basic framework wouldn't be there to back up the commands from the app. The base system was still Android, but that certain app would be calling upon function from the Sense framework while I was running the TW framework.
Although it's tough to find an adequate comparison to the PC world, here's the best I could think of. Some Windows applications require third-party programs to be installed. For instance, if I want to play Minecraft on my computer, I have to have Java installed. Minecraft won't work at all w/o Java, because it calls upon functions that only Java can handle (I know I'm butchering this explanation, but bear with me). If we are making a correlation to our phones, Java would be the modified framework (TW or Sense or Motoblur) and Minecraft would be an app (or mod) that requires the modified framework to run.
All that being said, app developers want their apps to work on as many phones as possible, so the typically don't call upon those framework functions within their apps. So most everything in the Play Store will work on TW, Sense, or Motoblur as well as on AOSP phones.
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The main apps that will rely on frameworks are ones that are bundled with the phone (pretty much all Samsung apps). This is why we don't have those on AOSP roms. Pretty much all of the Samsung apps rely on the TW framework and will not work if it's not there (just like Minecraft won't work if Java is not installed).
I know you didn't mention mods, but they typically rely heavily on frameworks so it's really important to ask if an AOSP mod will work on a TW rom. Most-likely, TW mods will not work on AOSP roms.
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It's not like Mac vs. Apple... Some apps require you to be running TW while other require Sense. This is because they call upon the modified frameworks to work. I'll provide a story as an illustration.
Back when I had an Evo 4G, I liked the weather animation when unlocking the phone (if it was raining, it'd wipe away water drops when you unlocked the phone: pretty nifty). The only reason that worked is because HTC had modified the framework to allow animations while unlocking. If I was able to decompile the unlock app and try to install it on a TW Rom, it wouldn't work because the basic framework wouldn't be there to back up the commands from the app. The base system was still Android, but that certain app would be calling upon function from the Sense framework while I was running the TW framework.
Although it's tough to find an adequate comparison to the PC world, here's the best I could think of. Some Windows applications require third-party programs to be installed. For instance, if I want to play Minecraft on my computer, I have to have Java installed. Minecraft won't work at all w/o Java, because it calls upon functions that only Java can handle (I know I'm butchering this explanation, but bear with me). If we are making a correlation to our phones, Java would be the modified framework (TW or Sense or Motoblur) and Minecraft would be an app (or mod) that requires the modified framework to run.
All that being said, app developers want their apps to work on as many phones as possible, so the typically don't call upon those framework functions within their apps. So most everything in the Play Store will work on TW, Sense, or Motoblur as well as on AOSP phones.
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The main apps that will rely on frameworks are ones that are bundled with the phone (pretty much all Samsung apps). This is why we don't have those on AOSP roms. Pretty much all of the Samsung apps rely on the TW framework and will not work if it's not there (just like Minecraft won't work if Java is not installed).
I know you didn't mention mods, but they typically rely heavily on frameworks so it's really important to ask if an AOSP mod will work on a TW rom. Most-likely, TW mods will not work on AOSP roms.
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Oh wow that makes a ton of sense. Thanks for clearing all that up. Cool, well, I feel like I have a better understanding of all this. Also your explanation wasn't butchered, I'm not entirely inept at technology so I understood it just fine
Thanks everyone
By the way topherk...
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It's not like Mac vs. Apple...
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I think you meant Windows vs Apple
sevenpioverthree said:
Oh wow that makes a ton of sense. Thanks for clearing all that up. Cool, well, I feel like I have a better understanding of all this.
Thanks everyone
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No worries.
I know this is off-topic, but where is your screen-name from? I'm trying to think of the significance of 7 pi /3, rummaging through my history of geometry, trigonometry, and calculus, but can't think of anything that explicitly relies on that number. If you convert (7 pi/3) from radians to degrees, you get 420 degrees... is that the reference?
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By the way topherk...
I think you meant Windows vs Apple
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You're right, I'll edit it.
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No worries.
I know this is off-topic, but where is your screen-name from? I'm trying to think of the significance of 7 pi /3, rummaging through my history of geometry, trigonometry, and calculus, but can't think of anything that explicitly relies on that number. If you convert (7 pi/3) from radians to degrees, you get 420 degrees... is that the reference?
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Yeah lol, it's pretty stupid I know. But I am a math minor and a physics major, and I used to enjoy the greens regularly (not so much anymore, as my major gets exceedingly difficult) so I just kinda did the conversion in class one day out of boredom. I might get it as a tattoo just for the laughs, the average person wouldn't even get it and the ones that do will just chuckle and move on
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Yeah lol, it's pretty stupid I know. But I am a math minor and a physics major, and I used to enjoy the greens regularly (not so much anymore, as my major gets exceedingly difficult) so I just kinda did the conversion in class one day out of boredom. I might get it as a tattoo just for the laughs, the average person wouldn't even get it and the ones that do will just chuckle and move on
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Yeah, I've never really been intrigued by the "420 culture" but yours is one of the more clever references that I've seen. Kudos on that, as well as the physics major. I went the engineering route (Structural), but I shared plenty of classes with Physics majors (should've really went for minors in Physics and Math, it was really only 5 or 6 more classes).
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Yeah, I've never really been intrigued by the "420 culture" but yours is one of the more clever references that I've seen. Kudos on that, as well as the physics major. I went the engineering route (Structural), but I shared plenty of classes with Physics majors (should've really went for minors in Physics and Math, it was really only 5 or 6 more classes).
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Yeah well sorry to disappoint you haha but be proud you're only the 2nd one to get the reference. I don't really smoke anymore though gotta focus on school.
That's cool that you did physics too, makes me happy actually. I tell all my friends to pursue a career in science but they all say they hate math, i just want more scientists in the world ): I don't know how people don't see the beauty in math
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OK, I feel the need to publically rant about my nexus 7 (sorry, utterly useless topic)
I'm tired of acting as a beta tester when I buy consumer electronics. The problems with multitouch on my nexus 7 32gb were hiliarious for about 10 secs. I don't even want to try out the various bootloaders to try to fix it software-wize. This kind of problem should not have happened in the first place, AT ALL. How the hell do these products get quality checked before being sold, seriously ? Multitouch is THE main and basic feature of such devices, how on Earth can it not be perfect out of box ?
I was wondering by the way : has Apple ever had any problems with the multitouch on its phones ? I've actually rarely had any apple phones / tablets in my hand, but each single time, the touch response was way better than any android device out there. How come ? (please don't tell me : "ok f* off and go apple already", it's an open question, I'm curious).
Also, this tablet being my first experience in the tablet world, Google clearly hasn't made up its mind if it's to be considered as a tablet or as a biggish phone. Gmail, for one, in portrait looks as stupid as Tapatalk 4 with its massive side menu you can't ever swipe away. I want a damn TABLET experience.
So the nexus 7 is going back to the shop, and I'll wait for some other device, which may be a long time, as I cannot imagine buying anything else than nexus (Can't bare manufacturer devices that already aren't supported anymore after being on the market for >4months).
I sicked of being played around, and tired of all this nonsense. :/
Cheers. have a wonderful weekend. (and "Bon courage !" to all of you nexus7 users, I'm out)
Don't buy Nexus devices if you are going to throw hissy fits over bugs
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z0phi3l said:
Don't buy Nexus devices if you are going to throw hissy fits over bugs
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What's your point ? Nexus devices are supposed to be an especially reliable plateform for Android app programmers, not a vast google beta program for it's own developers !! (I'm talking about the basic hardware features here, not advanced / beta features in google apps)
OP, i'd say... who cares? You said yourself its stupid thread so why do you bother to start it anyway?
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Developer devices don't have to be stable, they are a baseline to work with, no one have any guarantees that they would be consumer level qualify or stable, buying a Nexus device means you are part time beta testing
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Developer devices don't have to be stable, they are a baseline to work with, no one have any guarantees that they would be consumer level qualify or stable, buying a Nexus device means you are part time beta testing
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The nexus 7 is sold in all consumer electronic stores, as is any Samsung, Sony,... products. Clearly it's not "beta hardware" anymore...
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Developer devices don't have to be stable, they are a baseline to work with, no one have any guarantees that they would be consumer level qualify or stable, buying a Nexus device means you are part time beta testing
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Seriously? They sold a bunch of devices and all "buyers" should be developers only? If I buy a device then the basic features must work. Nothing more nothing less, also if I am a developer the device must work.
User_99 said:
Seriously? They sold a bunch of devices and all "buyers" should be developers only? If I buy a device then the basic features must work. Nothing more nothing less, also if I am a developer the device must work.
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I'd even say, a developer would require EXTRA STABLE hardware in order to program without having hardware bugs mixing with his own apps' bugs...
when you first discovered the issue did you try to return it? Have you read about the issue before purchasing it?
why not get an apple device, just curious.
I completely agree with you with all these problems with the Nexus 7, but for its price and speed compared to the iPad mini, I'll stick with my Nexus 7 since the problems are bearable for me.
While I agree with the OP in principle, almost everything in the computing industry is that way any more. There is such pressure to get new hardware/software out the door, that all vendors are putting stuff out before it is truly ready. I don't think Google is any more guilty of this than any other technology vendor. I've seen stuff a LOT more screwed up than the N7.
IMO there is an 80-90% chance most, if not all, of your touch issues can be resolved in 10 minutes using this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2428133
Of course you won't have the pleasure of ranting.
Your choice.
That is why I always wait at least a month before I buy something. That ways I can see if there is any problems with the first run. With the New Nexus 7 I new there was going to be issues with multi touch and I haven't had any problems with it yet. The only problem I have had so far is the keyboard sometimes freezes while I type. Not a big deal to me. No matter what electronic device you buy, there will always be something that will go wrong with it. I'm loving the New Nexus 7 so far. Just sad to see someone get discouraged over something that could be fixed by software. Enjoy your next tablet that you get.
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I think it's an Asus thing rather than Google's fault, though u could argue it's Google's fault for going with aids...
phentex said:
OK, I feel the need to publically rant about my nexus 7 (sorry, utterly useless topic)
I'm tired of acting as a beta tester when I buy consumer electronics. The problems with multitouch on my nexus 7 32gb were hiliarious for about 10 secs. I don't even want to try out the various bootloaders to try to fix it software-wize. This kind of problem should not have happened in the first place, AT ALL. How the hell do these products get quality checked before being sold, seriously ? Multitouch is THE main and basic feature of such devices, how on Earth can it not be perfect out of box ?
I was wondering by the way : has Apple ever had any problems with the multitouch on its phones ? I've actually rarely had any apple phones / tablets in my hand, but each single time, the touch response was way better than any android device out there. How come ? (please don't tell me : "ok f* off and go apple already", it's an open question, I'm curious).
Also, this tablet being my first experience in the tablet world, Google clearly hasn't made up its mind if it's to be considered as a tablet or as a biggish phone. Gmail, for one, in portrait looks as stupid as Tapatalk 4 with its massive side menu you can't ever swipe away. I want a damn TABLET experience.
So the nexus 7 is going back to the shop, and I'll wait for some other device, which may be a long time, as I cannot imagine buying anything else than nexus (Can't bare manufacturer devices that already aren't supported anymore after being on the market for >4months).
I sicked of being played around, and tired of all this nonsense. :/
Cheers. have a wonderful weekend. (and "Bon courage !" to all of you nexus7 users, I'm out)
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Shuddup
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phentex said:
OK, I feel the need to publically rant about my nexus 7 (sorry, utterly useless topic)
I'm tired of acting as a beta tester when I buy consumer electronics. The problems with multitouch on my nexus 7 32gb were hiliarious for about 10 secs. I don't even want to try out the various bootloaders to try to fix it software-wize. This kind of problem should not have happened in the first place, AT ALL. How the hell do these products get quality checked before being sold, seriously ? Multitouch is THE main and basic feature of such devices, how on Earth can it not be perfect out of box ?
I was wondering by the way : has Apple ever had any problems with the multitouch on its phones ? I've actually rarely had any apple phones / tablets in my hand, but each single time, the touch response was way better than any android device out there. How come ? (please don't tell me : "ok f* off and go apple already", it's an open question, I'm curious).
Also, this tablet being my first experience in the tablet world, Google clearly hasn't made up its mind if it's to be considered as a tablet or as a biggish phone. Gmail, for one, in portrait looks as stupid as Tapatalk 4 with its massive side menu you can't ever swipe away. I want a damn TABLET experience.
So the nexus 7 is going back to the shop, and I'll wait for some other device, which may be a long time, as I cannot imagine buying anything else than nexus (Can't bare manufacturer devices that already aren't supported anymore after being on the market for >4months).
I sicked of being played around, and tired of all this nonsense. :/
Cheers. have a wonderful weekend. (and "Bon courage !" to all of you nexus7 users, I'm out)
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Let's be honest here, you can always find a flaw in each phone/tablet out in the market. Everything comes down to your personal preference and your ability to accept certain flaws. Even ipads/iphones have their own set of issues. It may not be multi touch issues but there are some other issues.
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I dont have any issues. None that you describe. Then again, I'm not an end user. Which you sound like. Nothing wrong with that. But you bought something for power users and devs. Not Gramma's and Hippsters..
I change the things out with other things that give me issues or that I don't like and I have full control of the tablet. Something you'll harldy get elsewhere.
But thats not what you want. You want rock stable. So buy an Apple. (which has its own issues, But thats not where I am going) or a windows slate...Muahahahahahahahahahaha....Sorry, there really is no place to go that doesn't have some kind of issue. Maybe Buy a chalk board. Those haven't had many issues in like 100+ years.
I love how everyone has their own way of fighting with OP. He wasn't trying to engage a fight simply saying that the Nexus had too many problems for his liking. I was very very close to leaving as well myself. If there was any comparable alternative I would have been gone long ago.
Why do you guys make excuses for Google? Nexus is for developers only? LOL guess u think this site is developers only too. Sure, stuff happens when your factory is in China... But this is excessive..
There needs to be accountability and quick corrective action (Google has taken some action, but not enough yet.) if we sit here and accept whatever garbage is fed to us, we will always be fed garbage simply because they can.
berardi said:
LOL guess u think this site is developers only too. \.
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Tell you what, PM a mod and ask them this question. I bet you find out real quick how wrong you are. This site is only for developers. Everyone else is allowed to post because they allow it. You must be newer. When I joined if you even posted a topic such as this you'd one get ignored or flammed into oblivion and two most likely warned or straight up banned.
You fail to realize that without the devs this site is just a....forum.
The name of the forum is; XDA (delevelopers).....
Really some of you ppl...
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Tell you what, PM a mod and ask them this question. I bet you find out real quick how wrong you are. This site is only for developers. Everyone else is allowed to post because they allow it. You must be newer. When I joined if you even posted a topic such as this you'd one get ignored or flammed into oblivion and two most likely warned or straight up banned.
You fail to realize that without the devs this site is just a....forum.
The name of the forum is; XDA (delevelopers).....
Really some of you ppl...
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Xda developers, yes... How many people are developing for Xda? I guess we should all be banned. What kind of statement are u making did you even think before you post?
Yeah, maybe a mod thinks this site is only for developers... But I would like to see the reaction on the site owners face if you told him they have banned all non developers. Ad revenue instantly = 0
Historically the site was started for developers maybe but now I guarantee 90% of site content cannot be considered development. Unless you consider a million replies asking where to download Gapp zip for paranoid android development....
Stuff like the OP doesn't belong Development forum, but can you blame the guy for posting here? I went through 20 Nexus only to find out that it was a firmware issue. Google messed up royally...