Just that, if anybody can try this out would, it would be awesome. You can follow the steps in this article:
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/determine-your-phones-usb-host-capabilities-with-usb-host-diagnostics/
I will make the test myself when I have the phone, but, I live in Argentina so, It'll take a while, I'll be making the payment trough PayPal probably next Monday, soo, that'll be 5 days for the package to be delivered to my courrier's office in Miami, next, another 3 business days for it to be delivered to my partner's house in Chile, and, with luck, another 2 or 3 days till my partner pick it up and bring it to Argentina for me XD
I f*cking hate customs !!! You damn bastards !!!
I ordered the OTG cable.
Not received yet.
Without the cable (and no USB device attached), it says:
Android API:
Claims support : No
Classes found : No
Device detected : N/A
Rooted API:
Claims support : Yes
Device detected : No
Kernel :
Claims support : Yes
Device detected : No
Will let you know the results, but verdict should be Glide support : No ....
BTW : I'm running Rogers ROM + Cranium Kernel. It may report different with AT&T and other kernel ....
frav said:
I ordered the OTG cable.
Not received yet.
Without the cable (and no USB device attached), it says:
Android API:
Claims support : No
Classes found : No
Device detected : N/A
Rooted API:
Claims support : Yes
Device detected : No
Kernel :
Claims support : Yes
Device detected : No
Will let you know the results, but verdict should be Glide support : No ....
BTW : I'm running Rogers ROM + Cranium Kernel. It may report different with AT&T and other kernel ....
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Thanks ! Sounds good to me, Device detected it's gonna be always no, if nothing it's plugged, so that's OK, and, if the Kernel claims support, I'm pretty sure it'll work, after all, this is "Kind" of a Galaxy SII device.
Are you saying that if this works we will be able to plug in a USB Key or an SDCARD via a dongle and upload files to and from our phone. Wow that would be crazy useful. Imagine plugging your friends android phone in USB mode and transferring some files to him.
If we have USB Host anybody thought about this:
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
Seems like we match all the Requirements:
Hardware requirements
Dual-core 1GHz CPU
Video acceleration: shared kernel driver with associated X driver; Open GL, ES/EGL
Storage: 2GB for OS disk image
HDMI: video out with secondary frame buffer device
USB host mode
512 MB RAM
dudejb said:
If we have USB Host anybody thought about this:
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
Seems like we match all the Requirements:
Hardware requirements
Dual-core 1GHz CPU
Video acceleration: shared kernel driver with associated X driver; Open GL, ES/EGL
Storage: 2GB for OS disk image
HDMI: video out with secondary frame buffer device
USB host mode
512 MB RAM
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This is exactly what made me open this thread XD
I have the OTG cable and it works great. I've tested it with a Flash Drive, Mouse, Keyboard, even showed a co-worker how I could charge his iPhone with my phone. Haha
I did the test for you and attached a screenshot of the results.
Wow! That is cool, how did the mouse work? Do you see a mouse in android? Did the keyboard work well? With the flash drive you get to see the files on it?
dudejb said:
Wow! That is cool, how did the mouse work? Do you see a mouse in android? Did the keyboard work well? With the flash drive you get to see the files on it?
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Yes, a mouse is displayed on the screen. It works great, right click acts like the back button, scroll click like the menu button, left click acts like your finger touching the screen (including drag, click and hold). The keyboard is similar with certain keys acting like the android buttons. Also, you can view and transfer files to and from your flash drive.
It works just like it does on the SGS2, tons of videos on YouTube. It's an awesome feature!
gtdRR, thanks a lot, now I want my Glide more badly than before XD
Somebody could PM the admins so this appears in the News Page.
gtdRR said:
Yes, a mouse is displayed on the screen. It works great, right click acts like the back button, scroll click like the menu button, left click acts like your finger touching the screen (including drag, click and hold). The keyboard is similar with certain keys acting like the android buttons. Also, you can view and transfer files to and from your flash drive.
It works just like it does on the SGS2, tons of videos on YouTube. It's an awesome feature!
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Wow I can't wait to try this.....Now, how would I use an MHL cable and a USB mouse and Keyboard.... Kind of would turn my phone into a PC if I could do that. Lets see a Micro USB to USB Hub. Plug into the hub the Peripherals then plug the MHL to a Micro USB to USB converter and away I go....Of course power the MHL. I don't think the MHL connector would like to go behind a USB hub though. In theory is this not what the docking station is doing in order to run the Ubuntu on android? OK not with this phone but on the one that they are demoing it on.
dudejb said:
Wow I can't wait to try this.....Now, how would I use an MHL cable and a USB mouse and Keyboard.... Kind of would turn my phone into a PC if I could do that. Lets see a Micro USB to USB Hub. Plug into the hub the Peripherals then plug the MHL to a Micro USB to USB converter and away I go....Of course power the MHL. I don't think the MHL connector would like to go behind a USB hub though. In theory is this not what the docking station is doing in order to run the Ubuntu on android? OK not with this phone but on the one that they are demoing it on.
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It's a lot simpler than that, just use this MHL cable:
http://www.samsungcaptivateglideaccessories.com/capigpitalsdfkzlig-11.html
Just plug it to your phone MicroUSB port, then plug a MiniHDMI Cable to the MiniHDMI port of the MHL cable, then plug that MiniHDMI cable to your Monitor/TV, on the other side, plug your phone's MicroUSB cable into the Female MicroUSB port of the MHL cable, and then plug that USB cable to a Hub, then just plug every other peripheral into the Hub, and of curse, if you're going to use an External Drive or something like that, remember to buy a 9V/12V AC Adapter for the USB Hub.
santimaster2000 said:
It's a lot simpler than that, just use this MHL cable:
http://www.samsungcaptivateglideaccessories.com/capigpitalsdfkzlig-11.html
Just plug it to your phone MicroUSB port, then plug a MiniHDMI Cable to the MiniHDMI port of the MHL cable, then plug that MiniHDMI cable to your Monitor/TV, on the other side, plug your phone's MicroUSB cable into the Female MicroUSB port of the MHL cable, and then plug that USB cable to a Hub, then just plug every other peripheral into the Hub, and of curse, if you're going to use an External Drive or something like that, remember to buy a 9V/12V AC Adapter for the USB Hub.
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So your saying to plug the MHL adapter to the phone and to plug the Hub to the MHL device. I do not know if this will work as you need to Power the MHL adapter. Are you saying that powering the hub will power the hub and the MHL adapter? Have you tried this? I have the MHL adapter and I love the HDMI ability of my phone but I found I can not use to long a HDMI cable as it will not work since the HDMI cable is drawing power from the MHL adapter. 3 Feet works and 10 feet does not. I have not tested others in between yet. Oh and yes I do power the MHL adapter via another device (USB port to Power, or a Battery device to MicroUSB)
dudejb said:
So your saying to plug the MHL adapter to the phone and to plug the Hub to the MHL device. I do not know if this will work as you need to Power the MHL adapter. Are you saying that powering the hub will power the hub and the MHL adapter? Have you tried this? I have the MHL adapter and I love the HDMI ability of my phone but I found I can not use to long a HDMI cable as it will not work since the HDMI cable is drawing power from the MHL adapter. 3 Feet works and 10 feet does not. I have not tested others in between yet. Oh and yes I do power the MHL adapter via another device (USB port to Power, or a Battery device to MicroUSB)
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I have tried using the MHL and USB OTG cables at the same time and had no luck. Didn't attempt with any powered USB hubs.
What I have done is use the MHL adapter, and a bluetooth mouse and keyboard at the same time. Similar to video here, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEb-DICYCgg.
frav said:
I ordered the OTG cable.
Not received yet.
Without the cable (and no USB device attached), it says:
Android API:
Claims support : No
Classes found : No
Device detected : N/A
Rooted API:
Claims support : Yes
Device detected : No
Kernel :
Claims support : Yes
Device detected : No
Will let you know the results, but verdict should be Glide support : No ....
BTW : I'm running Rogers ROM + Cranium Kernel. It may report different with AT&T and other kernel ....
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Ok.
Received the cable.
It works.
ROM : Rogers (unklocked & rooted) + Cranium kernel.
USB key is mounted in usbstorage (/sda) and content of USB key is displayed (pdf, ...).
Mouse works as well.
Results posted on USB Host Diagnostics web site (using feature embeded in tool).
I bought a generic MHL cable online and couldn't get it to work; but got it working with two other phones. So apparently you do have to buy the special Captivate Glide cable. Can anyone verify this? I'd hate to pay extra for another cable that didn't work
What did you have to do to get your MHL Cable to work?
It does look like there are several different ones, so I'll try ordering another one...
jbstanford said:
I bought a generic MHL cable online and couldn't get it to work; but got it working with two other phones. So apparently you do have to buy the special Captivate Glide cable. Can anyone verify this? I'd hate to pay extra for another cable that didn't work
What did you have to do to get your MHL Cable to work?
It does look like there are several different ones, so I'll try ordering another one...
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He is talking about OTG Cable, not MHL Cable, no one has confirm that the MHL Cable works with the Glide, only way to know for sure, it's buying an Original Captivate Glide MHL Cable, that most likely it's the same one that for all the Galaxy S II variants out there
santimaster2000 said:
He is talking about OTG Cable, not MHL Cable, no one has confirm that the MHL Cable works with the Glide, only way to know for sure, it's buying an Original Captivate Glide MHL Cable, that most likely it's the same one that for all the Galaxy S II variants out there
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I bought my MHL cable at Monoprice.com for cheap and it works great with a 3Foot HDMI cable and powering the MHL connector.
THe only reason we are talking about the MHL and USB cable is because you need both working to really use the phone on a screen with a USB mouse and keyboard. I ordered a cheap USB host to Microsub cable on ebay when it comes from China I will let you know if it works with and without the MHL.
dudejb said:
I ordered a cheap USB host to Microsub cable on ebay when it comes from China I will let you know if it works with and without the MHL.
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Did they work together?
Works for me sort of...
My micro usb port is loose & i have to hold the phone & cable tightly together to get it to connect. Because of this i can no longer charge my phone directly & have to charge spare batteries separately & swap when they run down.
I can also confirm the hdmi out works too & i have a bluetooth mouse that connects nicely at the same time for remote control.
Wished they would have used a usb mini instead of micro, as the micros tend to fail after moderate use.
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Running Android ICS 4.0.4 LiteRom 0.9.0 LiteKernel 1.2.3 & ClockworkMod Recovery 6.0.1.2 using xda-dev app.
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Anyone know if it's possible to use MHL in conjunction with a microUSB to USB host adaptor to output to HDMI and access an external USB drive at the same time? That'd make the SGS2 an amazing portable media unit.
No, it is not posible. Its an either/or connection to the micro USB port.
Shame, because as you say that would really be a great thing. MHL consortium are considering a number of improvements to the 2.0 MHL spec, so in future devices this may be a possibility.
So MHL can't be used when I'll plug a USB-Hub?
No, sadly not.
It's a shame - for now I'd prefer micro USB & separate HDMI port so USB can be utilised as well as an external display.
As would I, and a lot of others I suspect.
But you've got 16 GB memory and can copy your stuff to the memory and watch it later via MHL on your Flat? So this is not a big problem, I think
s60mike said:
But you've got 16 GB memory and can copy your stuff to the memory and watch it later via MHL on your Flat? So this is not a big problem, I think
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Yes, but 16Gb of FAT32 and you can't copy a file > 4Gb
I would use allshare to stream the movie or whatever to your phone from a laptop and connect the phone to TV via the MHL HDMI adapter...that way you have access to ur laptop's data without being hardwired to it
chizzwhizz said:
I would use allshare to stream the movie or whatever to your phone from a laptop and connect the phone to TV via the MHL HDMI adapter...that way you have access to ur laptop's data without being hardwired to it
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Yes, it helps only if your laptop can't play smoothly a HD video
Has anyone got a generic MHL cable to work with the galaxy s 2 yet?
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lufcmattylad said:
Has anyone got a generic MHL cable to work with the galaxy s 2 yet?
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Not that I'm aware of...
I bought one from Ebay and can't really do anything good with it. Display shows briefly for 3-4 seconds on TV then disappears again. Don't know why.....I hope it's not the device itself because I tested 2 phones, they were bought at the same time, but none of them would work correctly....
If by generic you mean a not samsung one or one not dedicated to the SGS2 then i actually use a one, from ebay or someting like that, everything works perfect you just cant forget to plug power to it, and about the not working one, it seems mine gets jammed by gsm signal (i.e. when receiving a call), so from time to time the image disappears in a blink of noise, maybe that is your problem too, try it in airplane mode.
Oh, I think I misread that question - I have actually used a generic one with my SGSII (a prototype from the MHL consortium) and it worked fine!
chizzwhizz said:
I would use allshare to stream the movie or whatever to your phone from a laptop and connect the phone to TV via the MHL HDMI adapter...that way you have access to ur laptop's data without being hardwired to it
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No, you can't, when the MHL is connected, the WiFi stops working, I regret not having bought the Optimus 2x
erebocln said:
No, you can't, when the MHL is connected, the WiFi stops working, I regret not having bought the Optimus 2x
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Uhm no. I've been streaming with WIFI through MHL no problem for MONTHS. Using the Original Samsung MHL connector of course.
I have to put mine in offline mode to be able to use the MHL adapter.....
As for USB-OTG no luck yet.....
On Amazon, Ebay, DealExtrem ... you will find adapters that can do 3 things at a time:
- output HDMI
- let phone work as usb host, so that you can plug kbd, mouse, and external HDD (second wifi card, wired ethernet ...); once you have the usb A plug, just pub a hub
- recharge the phone (what is not possible with the legacy short OTG cable).
+ read memory cards
Such devices are sold as MHL devices. Some MHL devices don't to all that.
Take care. MHLv2 is more complex than MHLv1.
doublehp said:
On Amazon, Ebay, DealExtrem ... you will find adapters that can do 3 things at a time:
- output HDMI
- let phone work as usb host, so that you can plug kbd, mouse, and external HDD (second wifi card, wired ethernet ...); once you have the usb A plug, just pub a hub
- recharge the phone (what is not possible with the legacy short OTG cable).
+ read memory cards
Such devices are sold as MHL devices. Some MHL devices don't to all that.
Take care. MHLv2 is more complex than MHLv1.
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Could you post a link as an example for such a device, that works properly (if you've tested, or you know it works) ?
Thank you
I can post links, but ... I have not tested any of those. And don't know any one personally who tested it.
Cable:
http://www.amazon.com/Juiced-Systems-MHL-Adapter-MicroSDHC/dp/B008CQKM2U
http://www.dx.com/p/5-in-1-micro-us...n-micro-usb-adapter-black-257780#.U8HYDNePul0
Monobloc:
http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Micro-USB-Ho..._MobilePhoneDataCables_JN&hash=item258600844e
I don't like the monobloc version; I fear it's too heavy, and may help breaking the phone plug.
There are all sorts of OTG and MHL cables. I have seen OTG dongles as short as 4cm (monobloc), with small cable (8cm: 4-8€), with long cable (1.5m .... should be 7 feet), pure HDMI (passive cable, no card reader, 8-12€), VGA (including very cheap HDMI to VGA converter, 20-30€ ... including sound output). In some case, you need to buy accessories (extra power supply, extra uUSB cable, extra HDMI cable). Also seen a very cute hybrid card reader: http://dx.com/p/285865 (I love this product design, and I love this URL syntax )
Don't forget that there can be mistakes in item description.
Here I have described how to build an external battery:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=54036759&postcount=17
On previous phone, I just soldered additional battery to internal one; on my new phone, I will do something more complex, and more flexible.
Loosing power via OTG/MHL is not a fatality. Most phone have an other hidden power input:
généric, that uses the USB plug:
http://www.dx.com/p/reverse-qi-wire...arger-receiver-for-micro-usb-cellphone-312805
TRIPLE CHECK POLARITY; I took the wrong one; have to fold the cable.
So ... even if your OTG/MHL module takes power from your USB, and can not recharge your phone, the specific shell can charge your phone the other way So, you need to build an internal specific module:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UK7PRJ4SiK0
S2 specific back shell, so called receiver:
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2013-newest-wireless-charger-for-samsung-galaxy-s2/1266101036.html
http://www.exportprive.com/en/batte...reless-charger-set-for-samsung-galaxy-s2.html
http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/QI-Wireless-Charger-for-Samsung-Galaxy_821969998.html?s=p
The SGS2 is not designed to accept wireless chargers, so, you have two options:
- solder and take the pins out (cf youtube) (do not solder coild to battery, or you could overcharge the batt, and burn your phone ... I mean, physically set fire)
- find an item that includes back shell + specific battery (exportprive)
Many recent phones have the internal connectors, so you just need to change the back-cover. In this case, the software will be able to know the charger is wireless (as opposed to AC, and USB; advanced battery tools will show those 3 possibilities). I believe the motherboard for my HTC One M8 is designed to have those pins, but I can't find the specific cover yet (maybe in a few months); only found it for M7.
The most Micro USB to USB converters are not work if you want to use it for OTG converter, because the 4. pin of the micro usb plug is not connected!
The most ebay and computer shop's converters like this!
If you want to use it for working OTG adapter you have to connect the micro usb connector 4. pin to GND (5. pin).
Like this:
I made this mod on my adapter and it works!
First you have to open up the outter cover and carve the plastic around the micro usb pins. You can use multimeter to check the pinout.
After that solder the 4. pin to 5. pin with a piece of wire.
And finally glue back the outter cover.
Video:
So if you have not working adapter you can mod it, if you have suffice experience with electronic and proper tools.
Only do with your own risk!
I have this Usb converter!
With your mod works perfectly!!
just tried it it works perf, thank you!
Weird I got one off eBay from Hong Kong and it works without Modding. Can open files off a USB stick. Got it for £1
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Anyone knows how the Galaxy determines to be in home or car dock?
ALexander
hi thanks for great find just built one from a female usb cable vey nice.
WOrked for me too...thanks
skibadee said:
Weird I got one off eBay from Hong Kong and it works without Modding. Can open files off a USB stick. Got it for £1
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Share the link please
I buy a pair in Dealextreme.com
SKU 50774 o search OTG
It may have a resistor between pin 4 and 5, kind of like a jig,
I remember there was a fun with resistors thread for the sgs1.
I may attack tge free dock I,got from optus.
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Vairn said:
It may have a resistor between pin 4 and 5, kind of like a jig,
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OTG has no resistor, its direct connect to GND.
i bought this one from ebay
(cant post links )
item number 260782021641
and it works with usb drives and i used a mouse in it too
OTG Cable USB (B) to Micro USB (A) Powered with AAA batteries ?
As one knows, Samsung has promised a MHL Cable
You noticed it is not only a cable but a box out of which you may plug in an extra power supply.
The obvious reason is if the passive monitor does not furnish 5V, the phone will rapidly be out of power.
Now you know that to obtain video rather than anything less, Pin 4 (sense) and 5 (Ground) of micro USB (male A) must be connected with a 365K resistance.
I suppose the dock Samsung is selling for I9100 (yes, I have it) is grounded at 1000K as it provides audio with remote, and yes, the dock provides power supply via extra micro USB as well.
I come to my point: If I want to access any USB data On the Go, I need a cable OTG with 2 ports: USB 2.0/3.0 (female, B sided) to a micro USB (male, A sided, grounded but with no resistance = 0K). Many of them exist on the market out there.
But it is quite impossible to use because of lack of power supply in the passive device (let’s say a handy 1T HDD usually powered via Host connexion !
Would it be possible to insert some sort of receptacle for AAA battery in the middle of such a cable to provide for power while you are for a long time out of access to an electric plug ? Does such a cable exist somewhere to buy ? What would be the sheme to mount this ? HELP !
Is it possible to add USB charging cable to USB-host cable? I want to use mouse\keyboard\flash and charge device in the same time.
I also interested how to add power to USB-host cable for devices "High-power device connected".
OTG and Power
thats excactly my question:
is it possible to use otg cable with a trackball or mouse and at same time charge the S2?
give power to usb mouse and charge S2 over a charger!?
Is it possible to use a game controller over usb otg? Would be pretty nice.
Wanna have a S2Play ;-)
anonymous572 said:
Is it possible to add USB charging cable to USB-host cable? I want to use mouse\keyboard\flash and charge device in the same time.
I also interested how to add power to USB-host cable for devices "High-power device connected".
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it is not possible. usb host can be used one way not two ways.
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i do have same problem..is there any suggestions to make sgs2 can read the high-power USB flashdisk via otg??
An USB hub with external power maybe ? I didn't tried this kind of setup, but it should work. I have a hub, but I don't have a OTG cable yet.
blueseeker said:
An USB hub with external power maybe ? I didn't tried this kind of setup, but it should work. I have a hub, but I don't have a OTG cable yet.
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I've been try this, but still doesn't work for me..I'm also used electrical multi-tester, and the usb flash already has 5V voltage but in my sgs2 still nothing happen (my usb flashdisk doesn't mounted to sgs2)..
Is there any driver/apps do I need to install first before using OTG?? or, is there two kind of sgs2, the one which support OTG and the other one not??
please someone help me...One point I choose this SGS2 is the OTG feature..
PS: sorry for my english
I've already ordered the Mine Keyboard and the Adapter to later know that atrix uses a micro USB...
this is the adapter:
http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/...-conversor-usb-a-fmea-para-mini-usb-macho-_JM
Sure it doesnt fit in atrix. but.. if i buy this?
http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/...-para-micro-usb-motorola-moto-q11-cpmt018-_JM
and then convert micro to mini then mini to usb normal? would i be able to plug a keyboard? Thanks
or even buy this new one?
http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-195555339-conversor-usb-femea-para-micro-usb-_JM
Lordareon said:
I've already ordered the Mine Keyboard and the Adapter to later know that atrix uses a micro USB...
this is the adapter:
http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/...-conversor-usb-a-fmea-para-mini-usb-macho-_JM
Sure it doesnt fit in atrix. but.. if i buy this?
http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/...-para-micro-usb-motorola-moto-q11-cpmt018-_JM
and then convert micro to mini then mini to usb normal? would i be able to plug a keyboard? Thanks
or even buy this new one?
http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-195555339-conversor-usb-femea-para-micro-usb-_JM
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you will not be able to plug in a USB peripheral (mouse, keyboard) directly into the phone. it will not work.
you can, however, purchase a +5V powered USB hub (that plugs into the wall), and use that to plug into the phone and plug your KB/mouse into the hub, and it should work. you can find such hubs at www.dealextreme.com
to further answer your question, USB-___USB converters will work as long as the converters have all four lines hooked up. many converters are 'power-only' where only the power/ground lines are connected and the other two lines (data) are not.
So if i buy an ordinary pc hub that connects to power and the plug usb-to-microusb, it will work?
Well let it alone, ill buy a Bluetooth keyboard, will spare time and cables and converters ahahha
The Micro USB plug must be OTG (USB ON THE GO) or your phone won't recognize the peripheral. Also the advice given was correct, the phone USB port can't provide power to a peripheral device and so you must use a powered hub in between the phone and the peripheral device.
A USB OTG has pin 5 and pin 4 tied together in the Micro USB connector end to tell the phone to invoke OTG mode.
Lordareon: yea... if you'd go the wired route, you'd need a powered USB hub, since the Atrix's micro-USB port doesn't work as a host port. It doesn't provide power to external devices.
elementaldragon said:
Lordareon: yea... if you'd go the wired route, you'd need a powered USB hub, since the Atrix's micro-USB port doesn't work as a host port. It doesn't provide power to external devices.
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already been stated twice.
I want to attach two usb devices to my Note.
One will be the MHL adapter and one will be the 2.4ghz wireless unit for a keyboard like this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/250996855143.
I need a Micro USB male to 1x Micro USB female and 1x USB female adapter.
These for some strange reason don't exist
I was just wondering if anyone has done anything similar.
I know I could get a Bluetooth keyboard, but I don't have one. I do however have the above keyboard
Oh wow! I'm interested into this keyboard! Does Lenovo Mini Wireless keyboard work perfectly with the Note? All buttons are recognized and trackball mouse is usable?
Its really good, i use it on my Note and my Libretto W100. The mouse and keyboard work perfectly.
vinokirk said:
I want to attach two usb devices to my Note.
One will be the MHL adapter and one will be the 2.4ghz wireless unit for a keyboard like this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/250996855143.
I need a Micro USB male to 1x Micro USB female and 1x USB female adapter.
These for some strange reason don't exist
I was just wondering if anyone has done anything similar.
I know I could get a Bluetooth keyboard, but I don't have one. I do however have the above keyboard
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You cannot attach 2 or more devices to the same usb port. You need an usb hub for that, but I don't know if the MHL would work with the hub. I will try later today to attach an usb hub and connect more devices, and will report my findings.
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I have successfully connected a self powered usb hub to the galaxy Note, and connected 2 thumb drives, a combo card reader, and a mouse. The Note mounted both of my thumb drives, as /usbstorage/sda and /usbstorage/sdb respectively. Then I inserted a mikroSD card into the card reader and the phone mounted it as sdc. I then inserted an sony memory stick into the card reader and it was mounted as sdd. All mounts were usable, and I could watch movies from them, and watch pictures, copy files from one to the other, etc... But, when I connected the mouse to the usb hub it didn't recognize it. Whatever combination I tried the Note would not recognize my mouse, when plugged into the usb hub. When plugged directly to the OTG cable it works perfectly, but won't work when connected to the hub (maybe cables are to long).
Using rooted stock xxla6 firmware.
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Just found out, that usb otg and mhl cannot work simultaneously. When the MHL cable is plugged in, the GNote's microusb port will become an MHL port, and from that point it will not act as an usb host or usb slave. :-(
It's too bad, 'cause I really wanted to connect it to my full hd monitor and use a mouse and keyboard, too.
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Just found out, that usb otg and mhl cannot work simultaneously. When the MHL cable is plugged in, the GNote's microusb port will become an MHL port, and from that point it will not act as an usb host or usb slave. :-(
It's too bad, 'cause I really wanted to connect it to my full hd monitor and use a mouse and keyboard, too.
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How about bluetooth mouse+keyboard instead ? That would keep your USB port free for MHL
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How about bluetooth mouse+keyboard instead ? That would keep your USB port free for MHL
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That does work, and works a treat I might add.
Swyped from my finger, to your face on my Samsung Galaxy Note, using Tapatalk!
I like the idea of USB Hub
chriszzz said:
How about bluetooth mouse+keyboard instead ? That would keep your USB port free for MHL
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This is the setup I'm going to do also. But as with topic, it's also very tempting to have everything USB powered. Since it will decrease latency and maybe power consumption as well? (as opposed to bluetooth) Well, MHL to HDMI will still drain our battery even if we connect it to power source
You can also try NZtechfreak's workaround:
http://www.androidnz.net/2011/11/samsung-galaxy-note-connectivity.html
Has anyone found a MHL cable that also includes a USB OTG port? Samsung reportedly changed from a 5-pin configuration to an 11-pin configuration to allow MHL with USB Host mode simultaneously. Perhaps for a future Desktop Mode?
Has anyone been able to find one of these cables?
Just wanted to update, I believe I found the type of connector that I was looking for, but it is missing HDMI and it is sold out. This essentially could give you PC type connectivity on the S3.
http://www.mobilefun.com/35462-mobile-fun-connection-kit-for-samsung-galaxy-s3.htm
I think we still have a bit of a wait. What you found is essentially a USB OTG hub with some card readers built in. I seriously doubt this will pass through the pins for HDMI to work out of the usb port. We'll see something when this phone finally launches everywhere. It's not even out in the US officially yet
EDIT: Sorry, didn't see the article in the link in the OP. Man.. I might have to get me a GS3 now. I'm quite satisfied with the reasoning for a pin change. =)
Samsung sells 11 pin MHL adapters and USB female to Micro USB male adapters on their accessories page, but I'm not sure if you could piggy back the USB input into the charging port of the MHL cable. I don't see any all in one cables on their site, and the desktop dock is just micro usb/audio. I tried.. =(
Here's what I was looking at.
Old and mostly unrelated. See edit.
I happened to buy what looks exactly like that adapter today earlier at Micro Center. Now, I do have a Galaxy Nexus, but the USB OTG works great with keyboards/usb/mice/hubs; however, I cannot get it to simultaneously work with my MHL adapter. I understand the GS3 has a different pin layout though for MHL - my phone works with my MHL adapter correctly, but I didn't think it would have any change on the USB OTG. I'll most likely be breaking these apart and start tinkering. My goal is to show people how much of a full desktop-like experience I can provide from my phone, since so many people somehow think a GNex or GS3 are inferior to tablets, just because they're smaller... lol
Good luck finding information out on some kind of MHL/USB OTG setup. I'm just trying to provide any information I can from how my situation works with MHL/OTG, since I'm currently on the quest to achieve this myself.
kynolin said:
EDIT: Sorry, didn't see the article in the link in the OP. Man.. I might have to get me a GS3 now. I'm quite satisfied with the reasoning for a pin change. =)
Samsung sells 11 pin MHL adapters and USB female to Micro USB male adapters on their accessories page, but I'm not sure if you could piggy back the USB input into the charging port of the MHL cable. I don't see any all in one cables on their site, and the desktop dock is just micro usb/audio. I tried.. =(
Here's what I was looking at.
Old and mostly unrelated. See edit.
I happened to buy what looks exactly like that adapter today earlier at Micro Center. Now, I do have a Galaxy Nexus, but the USB OTG works great with keyboards/usb/mice/hubs; however, I cannot get it to simultaneously work with my MHL adapter. I understand the GS3 has a different pin layout though for MHL - my phone works with my MHL adapter correctly, but I didn't think it would have any change on the USB OTG. I'll most likely be breaking these apart and start tinkering. My goal is to show people how much of a full desktop-like experience I can provide from my phone, since so many people somehow think a GNex or GS3 are inferior to tablets, just because they're smaller... lol
Good luck finding information out on some kind of MHL/USB OTG setup. I'm just trying to provide any information I can from how my situation works with MHL/OTG, since I'm currently on the quest to achieve this myself.
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I'm not really sure why people think they NEED MHL and USB OTG simultaneously to get a "desktop-like experience". You can already accomplish this with just a plain MHL cable and a bluetooth keyboard and mouse as was demonstrated in the Connectivity Demo video on youtube.
Edit: Actually I just remembered about portable hard drives. If you want to hook up a mouse, keyboard AND hard drive I wonder if you can plug all three into a powered USB hub connected to a bluetooth dongle. Hmm...
I'm looking for a dock with USB OTG, charging and MHL. Maybe some day.
I believe this is already capable. Everything I say here is purely speculative, but what I see is that Samsung moved to a 11-pin connector for MHL and the standard 5-pin is no longer functioning. To call it MHL, they probably have to use the same standards for data encoding... but they simply "moved" the pins.
I put "moved" in quotes because of the way in which a standard 4 pin USB cable works (or 5 pin for our case)... you have a +5V, Ground, Data + and Data - (one data to phone, one data from phone, carrying ALL data). Since our phones still sync via 5-pin cables, this means the 5 pins are still "hot" for data like all other phones. I am presuming, that for the 11-pin connector, Samsung simply added a few more data+ and data- connectors (much like having two or three USB ports on a normal computer) but consolidated the ground/5V reference. I could be wrong, but it would make sense.
Lets call the stock 5 pin data connectors (2 wires) USB1. This is where MHL is conventionally sent through and all sycing can be completed through, 5 pin cable or 11 pin cable. If samsung added two additional USB ports to the single connector, lets say MHL is now over USB2 (wires inaccessible to 5 pin connectors). This frees up bandwidth and COM ports on USB1 and USB3 to use for accessories like a USB hard drive and keyboard/mouse. On a 5 pin connector, however, only USB1 is accessible. The Samsung 11pin to 5pin MHL adapter simply moves the data+/- from USB2 to USB1 (standard 5 pin location), so with the adapter you are syncing/exporting video over USB2 on the phone with a standard 5pin cable.
My thinking is such: If you plug in the OEM 11pin MHL adapter, it will also have access to the standard 5pin USB1 connection. Since USB2 is used for MHL, you can then plug any OTG device into the micro USB connector on the MHL adapter to make use of it. The only problem here is power (or lack thereof). By plugging in a USB hub with a discrete power source, plugging this into the MHL adapter, and plugging in the USB device of choice into the HUB, you *SHOULD* be able to get simultaneous data and HDMI. This assumes they put the standard 5 pins to the connector on the side of the MHL adapter and only wired the HDMI to the USB2 area.
Alternatively, you *SHOULD* be able to plug the micro USB cable from the MHL adapter into a computer, and simultaneously be able to sync files while outputting HDMI video. It sort of just comes down to being able to provide power to the MHL adapter on the +5V pin while using the data pins to access the phone. As soon as I have my MHL I'll figure it out, but that could be a bit. If anybody has access to a pinout from a Samsung 11 pin micro USB that would be helpful too.
Again, just dreaming here. I don't know anything about this, but if I was the engineer at Samsung I would choose this over analog outputs like Apple used for their giant connector.
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I'm not really sure why people think they NEED MHL and USB OTG simultaneously to get a "desktop-like experience". You can already accomplish this with just a plain MHL cable and a bluetooth keyboard and mouse as was demonstrated in the Connectivity Demo video on youtube.
Edit: Actually I just remembered about portable hard drives. If you want to hook up a mouse, keyboard AND hard drive I wonder if you can plug all three into a powered USB hub connected to a bluetooth dongle. Hmm...
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for me at least i already have several keyboards and mice ... none are bluetooth.
I'm looking for the cheapest option available.
I'm just hoping someone releases a cable with 4 plugs:
Male MHL - To Phone Obviously
Female MicroUSB: To plug in charger
Female HDMI - To Display
Female USB - To USB Device
That's all I want... should cost less than $2 to make, just sell it for $20 and I'd be happy.
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I believe this is already capable. Everything I say here is purely speculative, but what I see is that Samsung moved to a 11-pin connector for MHL and the standard 5-pin is no longer functioning. To call it MHL, they probably have to use the same standards for data encoding... but they simply "moved" the pins.
I put "moved" in quotes because of the way in which a standard 4 pin USB cable works (or 5 pin for our case)... you have a +5V, Ground, Data + and Data - (one data to phone, one data from phone, carrying ALL data). Since our phones still sync via 5-pin cables, this means the 5 pins are still "hot" for data like all other phones. I am presuming, that for the 11-pin connector, Samsung simply added a few more data+ and data- connectors (much like having two or three USB ports on a normal computer) but consolidated the ground/5V reference. I could be wrong, but it would make sense.
Lets call the stock 5 pin data connectors (2 wires) USB1. This is where MHL is conventionally sent through and all sycing can be completed through, 5 pin cable or 11 pin cable. If samsung added two additional USB ports to the single connector, lets say MHL is now over USB2 (wires inaccessible to 5 pin connectors). This frees up bandwidth and COM ports on USB1 and USB3 to use for accessories like a USB hard drive and keyboard/mouse. On a 5 pin connector, however, only USB1 is accessible. The Samsung 11pin to 5pin MHL adapter simply moves the data+/- from USB2 to USB1 (standard 5 pin location), so with the adapter you are syncing/exporting video over USB2 on the phone with a standard 5pin cable.
My thinking is such: If you plug in the OEM 11pin MHL adapter, it will also have access to the standard 5pin USB1 connection. Since USB2 is used for MHL, you can then plug any OTG device into the micro USB connector on the MHL adapter to make use of it. The only problem here is power (or lack thereof). By plugging in a USB hub with a discrete power source, plugging this into the MHL adapter, and plugging in the USB device of choice into the HUB, you *SHOULD* be able to get simultaneous data and HDMI. This assumes they put the standard 5 pins to the connector on the side of the MHL adapter and only wired the HDMI to the USB2 area.
Alternatively, you *SHOULD* be able to plug the micro USB cable from the MHL adapter into a computer, and simultaneously be able to sync files while outputting HDMI video. It sort of just comes down to being able to provide power to the MHL adapter on the +5V pin while using the data pins to access the phone. As soon as I have my MHL I'll figure it out, but that could be a bit. If anybody has access to a pinout from a Samsung 11 pin micro USB that would be helpful too.
Again, just dreaming here. I don't know anything about this, but if I was the engineer at Samsung I would choose this over analog outputs like Apple used for their giant connector.
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hi v8bait, are you able to get data thru the micro usb port at the side of the 11-pin mhl adapter? i was thinking of using the motorola lapdock with my s3 thru the mhl adaptor (other then a micro hdmi male connector, the lapdock also has a micro usb male connector that apparently send out power as well as push keyboard/trackpad data upstream) - if it works, we can have an inexpensive "clambook"
Just to recap,
Will this we possible:
Official MHL adapter -> hdmi to monitor.
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>OTG cable> Powered USB hub> USB keyboard & mouse.
In other words, the PC Experience with a keyboard and mouse.
Dont really want to spend the money to buy a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse when the USB ones can work just fine (theoretically).
romulusram said:
Just to recap,
Will this we possible:
Official MHL adapter -> hdmi to monitor.
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>OTG cable> Powered USB hub> USB keyboard & mouse.
In other words, the PC Experience with a keyboard and mouse.
Dont really want to spend the money to buy a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse when the USB ones can work just fine (theoretically).
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I am also very interested in this exact thing. Using USB devices (multiple ones, e.g. plugging a powered USB hub into S III and then plugging them in) but also putting out S III video to HDMI.
However the other workaround is using AllShare Cast. In fact that is the route I'll likely go, because of the other unique advantages of AllShare Cast (i.e. using it for presentations to screens, etc.)
So: has anyone plugged a powered USB hub into S III and used multiple devices? Such as a keyboard and mouse?
I also want to use this S III more as a computer. the other perfect thing I wish I could buy would be a keyboard case, like the one available for iphone, so I can prop the S III up on a kickstand and use a real mini-QWERTY physical keyboard.
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I am also very interested in this exact thing. Using USB devices (multiple ones, e.g. plugging a powered USB hub into S III and then plugging them in) but also putting out S III video to HDMI.
However the other workaround is using AllShare Cast. In fact that is the route I'll likely go, because of the other unique advantages of AllShare Cast (i.e. using it for presentations to screens, etc.)
So: has anyone plugged a powered USB hub into S III and used multiple devices? Such as a keyboard and mouse?
I also want to use this S III more as a computer. the other perfect thing I wish I could buy would be a keyboard case, like the one available for iphone, so I can prop the S III up on a kickstand and use a real mini-QWERTY physical keyboard.
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We're in the same boat; i want to use the s3 like a mini computer too. I think it'd be great for business travel, when i dont really need a laptop during the day but want something when i'm back in hotel room. I'd much rather use hotel TV instead of a laptop because that's what i am used to at home... pc hooked to TV.
I've been planning to use the allshare cast dongle too, but they dont seem to be available yet. I was thinking HDMI out with the allshare.. charging with the wireless charging kit and then keyboard and mouse with USB OTG. My logitech unifying receiver for keyboard/mouse works perfectly i just need the wireless charging and allshare dongle to be released.
For what it's worth I tried a powered USB hub and could not get it to work with the s3.
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For what it's worth I tried a powered USB hub and could not get it to work with the s3.
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Wait so your saying you tried a (a) powered USB hub with a OTG cable connected to the phone or you tried a (b) powered USB hub connected with a OTG cable to the MHL adapter and then to the phone?
If it was (a) then there are some vids out there of ppl using powered USB hubs.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk 2
So has anyone received their Official MHL adapater and tried USB OTG?
Very interested in this.,,
I'm puzzled that there aren't any more postings about this kind of stuff. I was expecting the GS3 to be easy to use as a "PC" replacement but it seems no one besides us few wanted to do that ? A simple cable should have done it but I'd even be willing to shell out 40-50$ for a decent dock that would do just that
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So has anyone received their Official MHL adapater and tried USB OTG?
Very interested in this.,,
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Me too.
But it is possible to get that this way working:
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S3 -> Mobile Fun Connection Kit -> microusb -> HDTV Adapter TIP (5 to 11 Pin Converter) -> MHL HDMI adapter
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Links
http://www.mobilefun.com/35462-mobile-fun-connection-kit-for-samsung-galaxy-s3.htm
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/EPL-FU10BEGSTA
Maybe I'm not reading these posts correctly but I am using an usb keyboard and a usb mouse on my S3 with no problems using these two accessories:
http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-USB-2-...e=UTF8&qid=1343845994&sr=8-1&keywords=usb+hub
http://www.amazon.com/Micro-USB-OTG...UTF8&qid=1343846045&sr=1-3&keywords=otg+cable
Have my keyboard and mouse plugged into the usb hub and then the usb hub into my usb OTG cable which of course plugs into the S3. Everything's working on my end.
romulusram said:
So has anyone received their Official MHL adapater and tried USB OTG?
Very interested in this.,,
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I have the official MHL adapter and there is no female USB port on it for OTG
badbeat33 said:
Maybe I'm not reading these posts correctly but I am using an usb keyboard and a usb mouse on my S3 with no problems using these two accessories:
http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-USB-2-...e=UTF8&qid=1343845994&sr=8-1&keywords=usb+hub
http://www.amazon.com/Micro-USB-OTG...UTF8&qid=1343846045&sr=1-3&keywords=otg+cable
Have my keyboard and mouse plugged into the usb hub and then the usb hub into my usb OTG cable which of course plugs into the S3. Everything's working on my end.
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You are not reading it right.
they want to use the MHL adapter, too.
As far as i can tell, the MHL adapter needs to be in the phone, not a hub. it is all dictated (the output being OTG, or MHL) by the impedance of what is plugged in. It is an either or situation.
Perhaps with a firmware update they MIGHT be able to run both signals and split it.. but i doubt it.