do you think that wp7 is as fast as ios, which right now is the smoothest and fastest phone?
I'd say WP is faster than iOS in terms of general UI, but for apps, its really where WP turns the idea. Most apps in the marketplace still don't use the 'fast resume' feature like in Mango-enabled games. Meaning if you go back to start screen and go back to the app, the app then goes from the loading screen and then resumes the current task. In iOS, apps are frozen and resumes right where you left off.
So basically, WP rarely lags in UI even when used over time whereas iOS does in fact lag, especially when bringing up the search screen (you know, the barely used screen on the very left). But apps are no problem if developers take advantage of the fast resume feature.
Don't you hate it when there's a spider rooming with you and it doesn't even pay rent. I'm kicking mine out.
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I would say no....
Even if comparing the built-in apps, although ios is slower,but it is not the speed issue or ios capability, it is due to the ios animation design( the zoom in and zoom out effect duration) has made opening apps look slower.
In term of third party apps, WP7 has no way winning iOS, just cheap feel and slow sluggish,buggy....you can blame the developers....
who cares. WP7 is dead anyways.
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who cares. WP7 is dead anyways.
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Lol,mate,right time and right moment and well said...
because nowadays many users have leave this WP7 forum,due to the typical WP7 fanboys reply...
if you reply something like this in the past,you definitely will be getting bash,but now I think no one will care,because it is quiet here.
Gonna back to my silence state now,contribute too much posts(3 this week) to here already.
Now back to the topic...
WP7 IS faster than iOS.
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Following some replies that made me chuckle..
Yes WP7 is faster UI than iOS.
Doesn't matter what zoom in or zoom out crap it iOS does. It's their UI transition by choice and if that makes it even 'feel' slower, it is slow. I am presuming all of us are here on the same page and agree that 'animations'/'transitions' are part of the operating system or the user interface.
Apps however aren't so nicely made all the time. Some apps are beautiful when it comes to transition whereas the others are as choppy as Google's OS. But then 3rd party app QC isn't top notch. If you use a WP out-of-the-box and compare with same iOS phone, you will immediately notice that WP is much faster, smoother and pretty on your eyes!
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I'd say WP is faster than iOS in terms of general UI, but for apps, its really where WP turns the idea. Most apps in the marketplace still don't use the 'fast resume' feature like in Mango-enabled games. Meaning if you go back to start screen and go back to the app, the app then goes from the loading screen and then resumes the current task. In iOS, apps are frozen and resumes right where you left off.
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In general use as a phone, I would say both have the same speed and smoothness or perhaps windows phone 7 a little faster than iOS
wp7 is one of the smoothest os ever made, but far away from being as fast as iOS. "smoked by windows phone" can't be taken serious. ben won some battles because there was a weather tile on the screen and thats faster than opening apps. but android has widgets too, and iOS can provide similar things in the notification toggle.
but apps which aren't integrated are slow like hell because they aren't cached as good as on android or iOS or they don't multitask. 6 months after mango release the improvents in app swithing can't be noticed in 'everyday' usage. that's not 'amazing'!
when you compare apps like board express with tapatalk, wp7 wins in terms of design. but the speed differences are huge!
or put a video on your wp7 phone, it will take ages just because the player doesn't support most common formats. and there aren't any alternative players, on iOS there are, even without jailbreak!
wp8 has to learn from android, only apple guys accept those limitations.
Windows 8 is awesome! metro ui is much more flexible than on wp7. i hope it will be similar in wp8. But windows 8 is fantastic, because you don't have that kind of limitations. if the player doesn't play a file, use vlc. if your browser doesn't play flash, use real ie or firefox.
right now wp7 devices would never win real speed benchmarks. even my almost 2 years old galaxy s would beat almost every windows phone in most tasks.
but i like windows phone none of the less, because it's unique and stabble, and has an always smooth browser!
but i think windows phone 8 might come too late. until the end of the year and the release of apollo there won't be any real new windows phone, not a single phone from htc nor from samsung. And the nokia effect couldn't equalize the loss of htc and especially samsung (in europe)
in the mean while android will have very cheap dualcores and wp7 will be stuck on snapdragon s2 chips from 2010!
The native OS is faster. Not much, as iOS is a very efficient system, but WP is definitely a little more efficient in my experience.
3rd party apps? Some are extremely well done and are just as fast as the native apps, but most are not coded efficiently so do have a little bit of lag as information loads, scrolling not perfect ect.
Developers definitely have the ability to make their code efficient enough though as there are plenty of examples of this. Lawrence Grippers BBC news and others. WPCentral app (Dev: Jay Bennet), Cocktail Flow (still best designed app I've ever seen on any platform), Windows Phone News app, Weave news reader, News360(latest version) ect ect ect.
@ OP
Dont you think it would be a little wiser to research this question yourself on a search engine? surely some independants have done some investigation already?
Either way asking a question like this on an O/S specific forum isnt really going to get you anywhere is it, at best the answers will be biased even slightly and you will never get the hard and fast answer that you are looking for (if you are indeed looking for an answer )
I'm wondering if you asked this same question in an Apple forum? and if so what response did you get?
Kind Regrds,
Creamy
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wp7 is one of the smoothest os ever made, but far away from being as fast as iOS. "smoked by windows phone" can't be taken serious. ben won some battles because there was a weather tile on the screen and thats faster than opening apps. but android has widgets too, and iOS can provide similar things in the notification toggle.
but apps which aren't integrated are slow like hell because they aren't cached as good as on android or iOS or they don't multitask. 6 months after mango release the improvents in app swithing can't be noticed in 'everyday' usage. that's not 'amazing'!
when you compare apps like board express with tapatalk, wp7 wins in terms of design. but the speed differences are huge!
or put a video on your wp7 phone, it will take ages just because the player doesn't support most common formats. and there aren't any alternative players, on iOS there are, even without jailbreak!
wp8 has to learn from android, only apple guys accept those limitations.
Windows 8 is awesome! metro ui is much more flexible than on wp7. i hope it will be similar in wp8. But windows 8 is fantastic, because you don't have that kind of limitations. if the player doesn't play a file, use vlc. if your browser doesn't play flash, use real ie or firefox.
right now wp7 devices would never win real speed benchmarks. even my almost 2 years old galaxy s would beat almost every windows phone in most tasks.
but i like windows phone none of the less, because it's unique and stabble, and has an always smooth browser!
but i think windows phone 8 might come too late. until the end of the year and the release of apollo there won't be any real new windows phone, not a single phone from htc nor from samsung. And the nokia effect couldn't equalize the loss of htc and especially samsung (in europe)
in the mean while android will have very cheap dualcores and wp7 will be stuck on snapdragon s2 chips from 2010!
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I appreciate what you are saying but I think you are being harsh.
What is not to be taken seriously about the "smoked by Windows Phone"? He won 30 out of 33 matches. He lost to an iPhone in one of those matches. In the ones I saw it was a mix of him picking the challenge and other people picking the challenge. Windows Phone is indeed more efficient at some operations and that is how they built the OS. This flows into my second point...
What exactly is a benchmark? When Vegeta whips out his magic goggles and reads "over 9000" what exactly does that mean? So phone X can draw more fish than phone Y, let me know how many people are going around drawing as many fish as they possibly can.
There needs to be an improvement in the quality of apps and I think people here will agree with you totally. Slow as hell seems like an exaggeration to me but I understand where you are coming from. On a sidenote, hell is hot and slow? I figure people would move around pretty quickly with their butts being on fire and all.
There is no such thing as too late once there is room for improvement. Android has issues and iOS is one phone a year. There is a viable opportunity for Windows Phone especially with the unification of the platform.
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I would say no....
Even if comparing the built-in apps, although ios is slower,but it is not the speed issue or ios capability, it is due to the ios animation design( the zoom in and zoom out effect duration) has made opening apps look slower.
In term of third party apps, WP7 has no way winning iOS, just cheap feel and slow sluggish,buggy....you can blame the developers....
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use a second gen windows phone, all of the third party apps are about as smooth as core apps. There is a penny deal on the HTC titan that ends today you should check it out if you have att.
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I would say no....
Even if comparing the built-in apps, although ios is slower,but it is not the speed issue or ios capability, it is due to the ios animation design( the zoom in and zoom out effect duration) has made opening apps look slower.
In term of third party apps, WP7 has no way winning iOS, just cheap feel and slow sluggish,buggy....you can blame the developers....
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Lol,mate,right time and right moment and well said...
because nowadays many users have leave this WP7 forum,due to the typical WP7 fanboys reply...
if you reply something like this in the past,you definitely will be getting bash,but now I think no one will care,because it is quiet here.
Gonna back to my silence state now,contribute too much posts(3 this week) to here already.
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LOL...
Back to be a troll eh?
Well, well,well, someone is mad because he paid for something he didn't want at first and now he is trolling all around...
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Back to be a troll eh?
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It is not logical. At all. The silence of one voice will not cause the forum on a whole to be significantly quieter unless, like you said, that person was an antagonist. And it most definitely will not affect sales.
It will continue to be with or without one person's participation. And it actually will be a better place without the negativity. Quieter and better. But it probably eats people that do not like Windows Phone inside to read people express their fondness for the OS.
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It is not logical. At all. The silence of one voice will not cause the forum on a whole to be significantly quieter unless, like you said, that person was an antagonist. And it most definitely will not affect sales.
It will continue to be with or without one person's participation. And it actually will be a better place without the negativity. Quieter and better. But it probably eats people that do not like Windows Phone inside to read people express their fondness for the OS.
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I have known that guy for ages.
he bought a Surround, and he is not happy with it, then he gonna post Sh!t about it.
If you want to compare, there is a big thread outside , comparing Windows Phone and iPhone 4S from hardware to software.
My HD7 so far is the fastest and most stable phone I've ever owned and used. I haven't seen any slowdowns it freeze ups like those that occur in both Android and iOS. As for 3rd party apps, all the ones I use run great with the exception of board express.
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What exactly is a benchmark? When Vegeta whips out his magic goggles and reads "over 9000" what exactly does that mean? So phone X can draw more fish than phone Y, let me know how many people are going around drawing as many fish as they possibly can.
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Vegeta, lol. I haven't heard that name in years. What was that, a power reader?
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I have known that guy for ages.
he bought a Surround, and he is not happy with it, then he gonna post Sh!t about it.
If you want to compare, there is a big thread outside , comparing Windows Phone and iPhone 4S from hardware to software.
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Oh yea,dude,u have known me for ages...lmao,the device in using was HTC Mozart.u guessed surround is pretty close though.
I have been windows smartphone supporter since Dopod carrying windows mobile5.0and CE.I think u are pretty new here though.I have been active even since the wp7 is not commercially available.i even created a very high views thread that covering wp7 news.
The reason I'm unhappy with this platform has been posted over 50times,then the waves of new users have classify me as hater and even a Microsoft supporter&wm developer has been called as hater as well.therefore,this platform will just left to you guys maybe quieter and better.but definitely the development would be slower.
you made my day though,known me for ages and I'm using surround......lol
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Am I the only one that thinks the games & apps for the HTC desire sucks - compared to iPhone stuff? Or am I missing out on something?
buy an iphone then. android is not for average joe
you're posting in the wrong forum.
but in answer to your question, yes, you probably are.
Games could be better but Galaxy S has a better gpu then Desire so once more phones are released like that we will see better games,
Apps are good on Android, we have 54% of all apps which are free compared to Apple who have not as many free ones. Plus more dont mean better.
Could anyone name 3 good games for android
Fifa 10, Asphalt 5, Doodle Jump
Homerun battle 3d, gangstar, raging thunder 2.
soon Angry Birds!!
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Am I the only one that thinks the games & apps for the HTC desire sucks - compared to iPhone stuff? Or am I missing out on something?
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No your not. I'm not gonna deny m8.
I prefer my desire overall.
But Android Market compared to Appstore is Complete Rubbish.
But before anybody starts calling me an apple fanboy.
I think this time next year android market will be far ahead of appstore.
If you compare android market now to what it was a year ago, theres a huge difference in quality of apps and games.
Apple has been on the market longer hence it is more developed. so as mentioned above, give it another year
Tower Raiders is quite worthwhile too.
It's a DEVELOPMENT CHANNEL for **** sake !!! Go moan somewhere else (if only in the "General" chan)
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It's a DEVELOPMENT CHANNEL for **** sake !!! Go moan somewhere else (if only in the "General" chan)
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good point. just realised that.
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Am I the only one that thinks the games & apps for the HTC desire sucks - compared to iPhone stuff? Or am I missing out on something?
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Yes it sucks, and doesn't have the friendliest community either looking at some of the comments above.
To put into perspective - I love Android. I support it, I use it, I have used it for over 8 months and don't see myself switching to anything else.
However, in terms of apps - well look at the quality of the iPhone apps, they look so slick and intuitive it's unbelievable. In comparison the apps made for Android using the default Views look awful. I know there's a few good looking apps, but a "few" isn't most unfortunately.
Games as well, Android does have a fair few good titles such as Asphalt, RoboDefense and so on - but that's only the tip of the iceberg. There is a very long way to go if Android wants to compete in the general consumer market directly against iPhone (whose customers buy the phone mainly for the apps anyway). I read in an article yesterday saying that most of iOS's top apps are actually games. Most of Android's are utility apps and not a single game in it's top 10.
No use saying that Android is just for intelligent people anymore. It was at the time of the G1, and was even upto the start of this year. But now the gameplan has changed, they do want to make it an OS for everyone, not just geeks. Look at the marketing for the Desire, the DroidX, the X10 and so on.
However, the future isn't that dark - there should be LOADS more games coming with as new avenues for developers to actually make decent games open up:
- Flash
- AIR
- Unity Engine
- OpenFeint
- Google own aquisitions of small game-making companies such as LabPixies
- probably other stuff I've not come across
All this stuff, along with stats showing a lot of devs switching over to Android means that that we could see a massive increase in quality games in the upcoming months.
Android market suffers becuase of lack of a2sd support for most of the phones/users...
Developers are probably trying to use as little of phone's internal memory as possible, and that's why the same apps look cheaper on android comparing to iphone.
Google really f*cked up with apps installation
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Android market suffers becuase of lack of a2sd support for most of the phones/users...
Developers are probably trying to use as little of phone's internal memory as possible, and that's why the same apps look cheaper on android comparing to iphone.
Google really f*cked up with apps installation
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Totally agree that this is one of the main problems !
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Totally agree that this is one of the main problems !
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totally agree, the desire is pretty much twice as powerful as the 3gs it just doesnt have anywhere to put the data for big games etc, thats what froyo should fix.
i think the android market has come on in leaps and bounds, it reminds me of my palm days when you could pretty much find an app to do anything you wanted for free. the only downside of that is that to a certain extent, the volume of free apps acts as a disincentive to professional developers as it may give them the impression that it will be harder to monetise their products, of course some devs may be attracted to the vibrant community that is android rather than the staid walled garden that iphone apps seems to be.
in conclusion, froyo for everyone, either that or root for all and apps2sd. maybe its time that devs developed larger programs specifically for the root market. hmmmmm
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Could anyone name 3 good games for android
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Robo Defense, AndTangle, Andoku, Air Control, Cestos, Othello, Gameboid (generally with Pokemon for me but others available), Word Search.
Those are all the ones I play regularly
I made this poll last time, but this was around when the news of WP7 was just getting out. I'm sure that from then and now, we've learned a lot more about the OS and MS has released a lot more info regarding the OS. So with that being said, I was just curious to see if there were any change of hearts.
Vote on!
I plan on buying a windows phone whenever some nice looking hardware comes to Verizon. I might have to wait a while since ill have to buy one at full price because my upgrade isn't until 2012.
Never will I ever choose anything besides Windows 7 or their webcam for my products.
Ad notifications? What kind of nonsense is this?
And here is the real nail in the coffin:
"At launch, Windows Phone 7 will not have the ability to cut, copy, and paste. It will recognize telephone numbers and addresses, but Microsoft says the majority of users don't need 'cut, copy, and paste'."
With that attitude, do I trust this company for phones? No. The iPhone 2G had more features than this!
I hope they die in the mobile arena. Their efforts have been haphazard and poor. If it does turn out to be good (doubtful since I've used Windows Mobile since the Blackjack) I don't see anything it offers that Android or iPhone doesn't already do, and better.
Fun phones are the iPhone and Android systems. They're also very good for work as well.
Blackberry handles business as usual.
And Microsoft, your best move was investing in Apple.
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Never will I ever choose anything besides Windows 7 or their webcam for my products.
Ad notifications? What kind of nonsense is this?
And here is the real nail in the coffin:
"At launch, Windows Phone 7 will not have the ability to cut, copy, and paste. It will recognize telephone numbers and addresses, but Microsoft says the majority of users don't need 'cut, copy, and paste'."
With that attitude, do I trust this company for phones? No. The iPhone 2G had more features than this!
I hope they die in the mobile arena. Their efforts have been haphazard and poor. If it does turn out to be good (doubtful since I've used Windows Mobile since the Blackjack) I don't see anything it offers that Android or iPhone doesn't already do, and better.
Fun phones are the iPhone and Android systems. They're also very good for work as well.
Blackberry handles business as usual.
And Microsoft, your best move was investing in Apple.
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Sounds like a guy who is been around for a long time !!?. I respect your opinion but it is windows mobile what made this forum what it is today. So let it die?
It depends what kind of user you are, I have always been a fan of windows because its customizable, what is for me an added value. Now with the coming of mobile7, I dont know, but I´m sure we can support and make the OS better around here.
Iphone is in my opinion a hyped phone (especially the iphone4) and clearly is not as good as the previous versions because of its hardware malfunction.
Respecting Andriod, I like the phones and they are great but still I´m staying old fashioned and try and stick to WinMo.
As you can notice I will buy a phone with the new OS because I´m just curious and its flawless integrated with windows platforms in private and corporate perspective. What i believe is the advantage of Microsoft software.
I will buy a WP7 device in Germany as soon a device similar to the HD2 is released. For me are a display around 4 inch, arround 448 MB RAM, at least 16GB flash memory important. An amoled display is prefered.
Why WP7? As a developer I have with Silverlight much more fun and I have no fun to flash my device regularry to get the rom to a quality level that should be out of box. Is's a shame but big thanks to this board for making the good HD2 roms
Just waiting on what T-Mobile USA will bring us
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With that attitude, do I trust this company for phones? No. The iPhone 2G had more features than this!
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Sure it did.
Main difference between WP7 and other mobile OSes, that it is being complex. iOS has just core stuff - kernel, some core APIs and few built-in apps like mail or safari. Android adds some wannabe support for integrating facebook, today widgets. WP7 comes as latest one with around 2 year development as of now, including full facebook integration at launch, combining and integrating your contacts into facebook. This was just an example, that WP7 is way more complex system, than any other mobile OS we have now. It allows integration into hubs, ... while all you can do on iOS is just add your icon on app launcher. No integration into core apps.
Also the biggest fun will begin shortly. Possibility to develop for PC-Xbox360-WP7 with one source code (and just optimizing user input for mouse, joystick or touchscreen) is f...in promising. And Silverlight, C# and XNA are awesome to play and create with, compared to native coding.
I will be getting WP7 as soon as I get the opportunity. Love the UI (I'd just say more colors into icons in the applist). Love the possibilities. Love MS!
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Sure it did.
Main difference between WP7 and other mobile OSes, that it is being complex. iOS has just core stuff - kernel, some core APIs and few built-in apps like mail or safari. Android adds some wannabe support for integrating facebook, today widgets. WP7 comes as latest one with around 2 year development as of now, including full facebook integration at launch, combining and integrating your contacts into facebook. This was just an example, that WP7 is way more complex system, than any other mobile OS we have now. It allows integration into hubs, ... while all you can do on iOS is just add your icon on app launcher. No integration into core apps.
Also the biggest fun will begin shortly. Possibility to develop for PC-Xbox360-WP7 with one source code (and just optimizing user input for mouse, joystick or touchscreen) is f...in promising. And Silverlight, C# and XNA are awesome to play and create with, compared to native coding.
I will be getting WP7 as soon as I get the opportunity. Love the UI (I'd just say more colors into icons in the applist). Love the possibilities. Love MS!
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what?!!
xbox-wp7-pc game integration is a possibility? but how is a phone going to be as capable as the three cores plus graphics core of a 360?
As soon as Sprint gets a killer 4G enabled one. Bamn! I'm there.
Gota get on the leading edge again and start promoting the thing to my friends/family/co-workers/etc.
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what?!!
xbox-wp7-pc game integration is a possibility? but how is a phone going to be as capable as the three cores plus graphics core of a 360?
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First of all, WP7 has a lower target resolution than XBox and PCs. You also can use a lower resolution than the native resolution of WP7 and the phone will resize the image "for free" using a dedicated chip. To target the different input formats, you have to tweak the code and use conditional compilation (like #If Xbox; #If WP7; #If Windows). If you want to utilize the full potential of each platform, there may be many conditional compilation instructions, but it is possible. Depending on the architecture, the main game logic can remain the same and does not need (many) changes.
Ima stick with it. WP7 is nice.
Yep, just as Reihnold described it.
The main logic and core is the same, you just optimalize it for different input and ofc slower HW (but with coming Hummingbird etc we will see reaching Xbox on WVGA screen in few years I bet). You disable some cool effects etc, but you do that with those #If Xbox360 fxRainbow.Enable = true; #Endif etc, so nothing huge. Compared to Linux-Android it is something quite easy. Mostly because of awesome IDE.
Wouldn't consider anything else.
I will definitely buy one. Love MS products and services and using them all integrated on my phone is the biggest thing they could ever made!
Cloud is the future
I'd be more interested to know what percentage of people would switch to wp7 in an iphone and/or android forum really. That to me is a better indicator of how well wp7 will do at launch.
I eventually want to switch, but ill do it further down the line when the OS matures.
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I voted for sticking with WP7, all the latest videos I've seen show how super smooth it is so I wont be switching to clunky Andriod anytime soon
I am waiting to actually see how well the office, RDP and other apps integrate into windows before I pull the trigger on one. I really could care less about facebook integration or twitter or any social networking. Sure I use facebook, but I want to keep my contacts seperate from my social networking. I want a business device first. Not to say I won't try one out, but I intend on keeping my Tilt2 around unless they release a WM6.5 handset with a keyboard and a faster processor and more RAM! like that will happen...
And if it comes to switching platforms, android is next in line. No apple products ever in my house.
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No apple products ever in my house.
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I second that
I am so ready to purchase one of Windows Phone 7 phones! Why? please... for those ppl who say WP7 is not as great as their beloved WM 6 series, you gotta let your ego go. And yes, i have HD2. So this is a customer with experiences with hacking my device and use cooked ROMs. And yes i hate using cooked ROMs. Althogh i use cooked ROMs that looks like stock version atm. But i am planning to purchase it in this holiday or wait for htc to announce HD3 the beast! I really want my phone to have 1.5ghz or something downgraded clocked duo cpu.
its known to have a poor gpu so it really worries me that it was used to launch a platform which its main selling point will be gaming and xbox live integration. So people will expect to be blown away with games. Now, as far as the UI, its flawless when the OS is concerned but thats not a big deal since the graphical elements are not too taxing, but i saw the negative effects when playing need for speed undercover... it was really a step down when it came to smoothness and graphics IMO even when i remember it performing better in an 500mhz sprint palm pre...
am i missing something?? was it the effect of a dirty port from a ARM cpu made game?? or is this something to be mildly dissapointed about??
>> on a side note, if snapdragon gen 1 is such a poor graphical cpu according to reviewers, why does the PSP Phone sport one??
I would appreciate some feedback... cheers
Combination of all that. Dirty port, new platform, and restrictions.
Sidenote PSP phone is on a newer version, but nothing is confirmed.
There are no games that push that CPU so no one is worried. By the time such games come the people who care will be getting ready to buy a new phone anyways. Those people buy anything just cause the specs are better.
Look at how android fans rave about the hummingbird CPU on a platform with relatively poor games and no gourmet accellerated ui, etc......
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Dude don't ruin the thread, and please do some research. Android has a ton of games. Multiplayer and cross platform games. Not to mention the use of the Unreal gaming engine(pushes CPU).
But this isn't a Android thread so lets not mention it. Focus on WP7 for a change.
I hope microsoft thought about this when they selected it to be the only supported cpu atm.
But my main question is, if a game was to be made from the ground up specifically for wp7 and snapdragon, and the game resembles a lot like NOVA for example (first person shooter) in detail and complexity, can the processor run it without issues??
IMO its just going to be like the iPhone. The iPhone 2nd gen can still run most games that the iP4 can... but just with longer load times and lower frame rates.
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I hope microsoft thought about this when they selected it to be the only supported cpu atm.
But my main question is, if a game was to be made from the ground up specifically for wp7 and snapdragon, and the game resembles a lot like NOVA for example (first person shooter) in detail and complexity, can the processor run it without issues??
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Yes. ACreed is already on WP7 from the makers of Nova.
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I hope microsoft thought about this when they selected it to be the only supported cpu atm.
But my main question is, if a game was to be made from the ground up specifically for wp7 and snapdragon, and the game resembles a lot like NOVA for example (first person shooter) in detail and complexity, can the processor run it without issues??
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If the developer wants to make money, it will run without issues. The CPU isn't as terrible as some seem to want to make it out to be...
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mike21pr said:
>> on a side note, if snapdragon gen 1 is such a poor graphical cpu according to reviewers, why does the PSP Phone sport one??
I would appreciate some feedback... cheers
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You have to consider that MS actually wrote some decent drivers for this CPU/GPU.
I do not know if you remember this but before Qualcomm bought out the ATI mobile solutions division HTC had real trouble with the gfx card drivers due to laziness and licensing. This issue was present up until only the last few 6.5 devices that were made. Instantly this CPU/GPU was regarded as better but still not there yet (HD2). Qualcomms own presentations showed the chip running at much more potential.
Simply put. MS realised that HTC cant write drivers to save their lives,(homebrew projects were started by the community to save devices such as the X1 etc) so they wrote their own.
This might not be the best example but if you check videos of side by side comparisons (Nexus S vs Focus/Omnia 7) you will see that WP7 manages to be more fluid displaying websites then a Hummingbird Android combo.
I believe the chip hasn't been used to its full potential yet. If it will be fully utilized in a years time for lets say games... is debatable.
VonCrisp said:
You have to consider that MS actually wrote some decent drivers for this CPU/GPU.
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In addition to that, I think a lot of performance depends on the software running on top of it. For example, everyone gets caught up in the powerhouse specs of Android--but maybe because Android is a custom version of Linux the software is 'heavier' and it requires a lot of power from the CPU. Meanwhile, WP7 software seems to be running much faster than Android on a slower CPU and that is most likely because Microsoft has done a fantastic job of keeping the OS optimized for the hardware and maybe even hardware accelerated (to use the CPU's full potential).
It's like viewing a picture with Photoshop versus viewing a picture with a default Photo Viewer. On a fast computer, the speed difference between opening either one is probably not a big deal. But on a slower computer, Photoshop will take longer to open than the Photo Viewer. Both programs are identical on both computers, but the Photo Viewer has less to load and was designed to open faster than Photoshop.
100% sure you guys can't put any facts behind that, yes WP7 has a graphic accelerated UI, but beyond that, the speed isn't anything to brag about. Wow you can get around your phone fast, these days who can't?
Load the same game up on all three platforms and WP7 is dead last.
IOS vs Android vs PC due in January.
IOS vs Android vs PC vs console gaming due in 2011
Cross platform real time multiplayer gaming just a pipe dream on WP7.
WP7 features the SnapDragon SoC AND an Adreno 200 GPU. The GPU is the one handling the animations and such while the CPU focuses on the rest. Now I'm not saying it's a speed monster, but it's more than enough.
@Above: Alot of Android phones are still plagued by choppiness, not by Android itself, but by the Skins OEMs put on it. Motorola is the notorious one. But consumers do not know and will blame android for it instead.
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100% sure you guys can't put any facts behind that, yes WP7 has a graphic accelerated UI, but beyond that, the speed isn't anything to brag about. Wow you can get around your phone fast, these days who can't?
Load the same game up on all three platforms and WP7 is dead last.
IOS vs Android vs PC due in January.
IOS vs Android vs PC vs console gaming due in 2011
Cross platform real time multiplayer gaming just a pipe dream on WP7.
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who can't get around their phone fast? Android and RIM. Let's be realistic, in terms of GPU, both Oses are poor. I mean REALLY poor.
The load test is a bit difficult for a lot of reasons. Most of the wp7 devices uses microsd card and that has been KNOWN to attribute to slow loading, not as much as the cpu/gpu. Also is there an objective test that loads the same 3 games on the three smartphone platforms? It's no question apple would be first using flash based storage, it is meant to poll data at a faster rate than microsd card.
secondly, microsoft does have support for real time gaming and a few more details due to using CE7 core
Check more about that
http://wmpoweruser.com/wm7-is-ce7/
recently however, the news story has been verified that CE7 is underlying wp7 not CE6 with bits of CE7
It honestly wouldn't surprise me if we saw real time gaming as early as next year on wp7 platform
If the developer wants to make money, it will run without issues. The CPU isn't as terrible as some seem to want to make it out to be...
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I don't think snapdragon is terrible either. It's been underutilized but not terrible by any means. I also agree that a lot of the reasons there is horrid runtimes is because it is a fast port and the port isn't Optimized for wp7. Microsoft has done an unbelievable job for the porting process, but developers just stop there. There is no further optimization sadly and that is a shame
While I think a better processor would be ideal, I don't think its gonna be a problem for WP7. You see the thing about Android is that it REQUIRES all these specs that the fanboys rave over to run smoother. WP7 is already there. Android has a bigger footprint than WP7 and requires more power. This is the problem with android and gaming. I have Angry Birds on my phone, Moto Cliq, and it loads slowly and plays poorly. I deleted because I can't play a game a 2fps.
^ see what I mean you blame the OS because of your phone. That's not Androids fault, put those exact same Motorola Cliq specs in a WP7 device and you will have the same result.
Dominues lets be realistic what can you do faster on WP7?
Yes there is a video on YouTube of Acreed loading on WP7 and Android, took android seconds, took WP7 damn near a minute or two.
Who said anything about microSD chips?
CE7 supports multiplayer gaming, WP7 itself doesn't. Right now at this very moment it is impossible to play a realtime multiplayer game on WP7. Its a pipe dream right now.
You can say potentially the January update will correct this, and I can say potentially WP7 will launch the next NASA mission.
Another thing why do you guys have to mention the fault of another OS but brush off the faults of WP7 as if its acceptable?
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Dude don't ruin the thread, and please do some research. Android has a ton of games. Multiplayer and cross platform games. Not to mention the use of the Unreal gaming engine(pushes CPU).
But this isn't a Android thread so lets not mention it. Focus on WP7 for a change.
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says the resident wp7 hater...
vetvito said:
100% sure you guys can't put any facts behind that, yes WP7 has a graphic accelerated UI, but beyond that, the speed isn't anything to brag about. Wow you can get around your phone fast, these days who can't?
Load the same game up on all three platforms and WP7 is dead last.
IOS vs Android vs PC due in January.
IOS vs Android vs PC vs console gaming due in 2011
Cross platform real time multiplayer gaming just a pipe dream on WP7.
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All I know is that the same games on my hd2 and hd7, the hd7 games are graphically much better and have videos integrated that I hadn't seen on a mobile game before.
I've played a lot of android games on my hd2 running android, and android just isn't there for gaming. You have, what, one game that you can play with the iphone fanbois???
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says the resident wp7 hater...
All I know is that the same games on my hd2 and hd7, the hd7 games are graphically much better and have videos integrated that I hadn't seen on a mobile game before.
I've played a lot of android games on my hd2 running android, and android just isn't there for gaming. You have, what, one game that you can play with the iphone fanbois???
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This is exactly why I switched to WP7. I have a vibrant and while I LOVED the screen, I felt it was pointless because there was not enough great games out on android. N.O.V.A. dragon age, and asphalt were awesome and alot of fun but those had to be bought directly from the gameloft app store. Why is that? Becasue the android market / platform has terrible security. Developers don't want to spend a long time creating an awesome game and then have it pirated a couple hours later.
Overall I already have much better games on my WP7 device. All my friends with galaxy S series phones can't believe the games I have on it in terms of quality and quantity.
I don't get the big buzz about angry birds also, its simple and fun for a little bit, but don't you think its quite repetitive? I knew I never once pulled out my vibrant thinking "lets play angry birds" after I beat it the first time.
Android does have the best hardware for games (nothing even comes close) however, the apps just aren't there, so who is to blame? The OEMs or the OS? I'd say the OS.
The only thing that beats WP7 in the games department is the iPhone. This is only true because of how long it has been out and it has the biggest market share. As a developer you developer programs for the largest group of potential buyers. Android does not factor in because it has a culture of having free apps and "free" apps. The latter being the reason why top game developers stay away.
so far i havnt seen anything from the 1ghz snapdragon processor to make me thnk its great. yes the wp7 interface is fast and fluid but the games themselves do not run as fluidly as i would like. despite having a 1ghz processor like the iphone, wp7 games dont seem to be as smooth probably running at 25 fps while i phone games look like they are running closer to 60 fps. im waiting for ilmilo milo or what ever its called to confrim this as so far it looks liek the smoothest wp7 game. rocket riot is currently the smoothest ive seen on wp7.
Dominues lets be realistic what can you do faster on WP7?
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bootup, scroll, loading of native programs...I think that's a bit hefty right there
Yes there is a video on YouTube of Acreed loading on WP7 and Android, took android seconds, took WP7 damn near a minute or two.
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1. link?
2. was the game loaded on nand or sd card? Do we need to go through this ad nauseum? Nand is faster than sd card there is no question about that. However, in general sd card loading is SLOW. Period
3. You also fail to take into account graphic detail. let's be realistic. Windows Phone 7 does look better, and is larger than android games. Heck the Acreed game looks antiquated on android...and that's on the best android device
OK OP question has been answered. Thread gone to opinionated bias people who don't like facts. Opinion after opinion. Where are the facts?
Dude said Android has only one game that they can play against IOS, shaking my head. Then another guy says scrolling is faster when I asked what can you do faster, is that your best answer? Shaking my head. After that he said ACreed looks antique on Android, when in fact its the exact same game. I give up because you guys are not willing to accept faults and facts.
Enjoy your fantasy world, and let the shameless name calling continue.
Every aspect of Symbian that is user facing is absolutely horrible. It might have the whistles and bells, but noone actually uses them, and the stuff which does get used, are rubbish.
Here are some examples.
1)The software keyboard. WP7 is regularly praised for having one the best keyboards available. On part with iPhone and easily better than Android. Anyone look at Symbians software keyboard? LOL.
2)Music player. The one reason people with Symbian phones will always tend to have a dedicated PMP is because the music/video client sucks. WP7 is on par with iPhone and miles better than Android and Symbian for music/video.
3)Browser. iOS has the best browser at the moment, but you can easily argue that the WP7 even in its current state presents a much better user experience than Android which has choppy and laggy panning and pinch to zoom. By miles better than Symbian.
4)Notifications. Symbian notifications are as intrusive as iOS notifications. While not as good as Android in this respect, much better than Symbian.
5)Email/Messaging clients. These absolutely suck in Symbian. Horrible fonts and poor aesthetics in general. Hard to setup.
6)Consistent UI in applications. Symbian is even worse than Android in terms of UI consistency.
7)Smoothness. Android doesn't have GPU accelerated UI and it's noticable laggier than WP7 and iOS in usage. Symbian is even worse.
These points above are what an average user faces for most of their time every time they use their phone. Symbian might have the bells and features which only 5% of the userbase may use, but for the vast population, WP7 presents a much better user experience, and a user experience that is different to iOS, and Android.
Spot on.... Symbian with the Series 60 UI was designed for non touchscreen phones and works amazingly great for such phones, but it was and is really horrible for touchscreens.
Symbian 3 still looks and feels a lot like Series 60.
Never tried ^3 so have no idea what it's like.
The earlier models are kind of WM like. Designed for clicks, not gestures.
To be fair to Symbian, with regards the browser, it may be terrible, but nobody would use it when they can get Opera Mini, would they?! And iirc, the Symbian browser support Flash video, I don't recall the WP7 browser doing so yet.
However, Symbian has been outdated for many years now, the only reason it is still selling in significant quantities is because people still like to buy Nokia phones - if it were not for Nokia, Symbian (in its present form at least), would have been dead and buried a long time ago. It really is a terrible user-experience on a touch screen, even moreso with the advent of operating systems like WebOS and Windows Phone 7 (forget Android and iOS - Android is nothing special and iOS is getting very stale now).
Shame to see Symbian go, but the fact that it has changed little since I was using it on a 6600 back in 2002, tells the story - people often slate WinMo for being outdated, harping back to 2004, but Symbian is even worse. The only thing that kept it going, as I say, was the fact it was Nokia's choice OS for smartphones.
2. I would argue that the music player in WP7 is not on par with iOS, it's better. Last I checked you had no built-in iTunes streaming directly to your iPhone and purchasing albums required you to physically sync your phone with your computer.
Of course this was a while ago, so it could have changed.
I had an N80 and N95 both Symbian 60 phones and it was amazing how slow and buggy they were. Every feature you could imagine was there, just impossible to use!
You can download music and movies direct to an iPhone, no need for syncing with a PC. Think it was added in iOS 2?
Xcellweb said:
To be fair to Symbian, with regards the browser, it may be terrible, but nobody would use it when they can get Opera Mini, would they?! And iirc, the Symbian browser support Flash video, I don't recall the WP7 browser doing so yet.
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Flash Lite, which is technically Flash 9 compatible, but some Flash 10 content may play on it. When you move to Opera Mini, you lose the capability to deal with that flash, so the stock browser being so terrible is an issue.
The availability of third-party applications is no excuse for the stock applications to suck so bad.
adamwebb28 said:
I had an N80 and N95 both Symbian 60 phones and it was amazing how slow and buggy they were. Every feature you could imagine was there, just impossible to use!
You can download music and movies direct to an iPhone, no need for syncing with a PC. Think it was added in iOS 2?
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I believe he was referencing something like zune pass... also itunes whole UI is pretty lame by comparison...
first of all, I think WP7 OS is great and i have my omnia 7 for about 18months now, so im in a great position to say what i think of it.
for the first time in 18 months, im starting too look at the Android OS. why?
WP7 Hardware STILL dosnt cut it and there not a single true wp7 high end device out there.
examples,
the aging low res
low memory (especially if you live in the UK 8 gb phones really?)
poor GPU (60 fps is the minimum standard and wp7 games seem to be struggling to hit 30 fps. only the games with poor graphics run at 60fps on wp7. its embarrasing. i wouldnt show my android /iphone owning friends these games on my phone.
single core - sure the actual OS generally is nice and smooth ( although mine has definately slowed down recently maybe as im running out of memory?) however try opening PDF files they slow right down and take an age to open
Skydrive, i use skydrive all the time, i log on today and now instead of my usual 25GB i see i now only have 7GB ? whats going on here, skydrive was the only thing keeping my phone running over since i have only 8, ( actually 7GB of storage on my phone........
like i said at the start, the OS it self is really great, i just wish i could have the OS on a device as powerful as the "old"Samsung galaxy s2 ( I say old but its still WAY more powerful than WP7 devices.) but the hardware is really letting WP7 Down... no wonder sales have been rubbish
Read this article:
http://wmpoweruser.com/skydrive-for-windows-now-available-to-download-features-as-promised/
It will give you a link to 'upgrade' your SkyDrive storage back to 25GB. I just did this yesterday for an account, so it should still be working. It also has a link for the new SkyDrive Windows 7 program, which makes SD now on par with DropBox (Better, actually since it now keeps the phone in sync with folders on the computer).
thanks for that .......should keep me ticking over until my contract ends. by then i expect ( more like hope actually) that there will be at least 1 wp7 htc device in 6 months?
davidebanks said:
thanks for that .......should keep me ticking over until my contract ends. by then i expect ( more like hope actually) that there will be at least 1 wp7 htc device in 6 months?
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I hope they make something like the hardware used for the ONE S.
I was helping my friend get her very first ever smart phone (Lumia 710) yesterday. We were at Car Toys. The sales guy went to the back to get the ONE S to show it off. Granted, I'm in no way passionate about Android, but it is one sexy piece of hardware. Just the right thickness, but a great sturdiness and weight to it. I was really impressed with its feel. Were there no Nokia, I'd go w/ HTC. Samsung's all feel like plastic graham crackers to me.
Single core and all those things, do you really need it or just to say Hey I have dual cores. For me, I don't think dual core is needed.
About the GPU, yes I think the game graphics can be improved by a lot seeing those FPS games on iphone.
To the OP, glad that you have realised and awake about the drawbacks...
Have been using my mozart for 13months++, bought the HTC one X last month,honestly my 1st android device. It is great, don't listen to all those lagging&force close BS...give it a try...no regret on one X...
lol...smoked by WP7???who cares?i can play cut the rope: experiment,angry bird space, highlighting and add notes to my PDF lecture slides(this is the crucial one), cheaper apps and etc....
now my mozart is collecting dusk and work as alarm clock[this is where WP7 excel at (easy task)]
davidebanks said:
like i said at the start, the OS it self is really great, i just wish i could have the OS on a device as powerful as the "old"Samsung galaxy s2 ( I say old but its still WAY more powerful than WP7 devices.) but the hardware is really letting WP7 Down... no wonder sales have been rubbish
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If you like the experience of Windows Phone but want more modern hardware, Windows Phone 8 might be worth looking at.
It will be based on the NT kernel and will support more powerful CPU / GPUs (including multi-core CPUs) and higher screen resolutions.
There are plenty of other threads discussing WP8 (including timing) if you want more information. I'd expect it to be out within 6 months, assuming you're on a 2 year contract.
OP, your post is useless as all your other 232 posts. Hope to never see you again in WP7/Win8 forums (you may also pick up a few andro-stupid-trolls with)
Get a phone to suit your needs end of line.
I'm also leaving windows phone for android.
I've been a huge windows phone supporter (went from windows mobile to windows phone) and i still think metro is the greatest thing on any phone. But i'm tired of not having key features that i find essential for any phone. I mean common, no way to turn off auto rotation? No way to view notifications other than live tiles? No way to lower volume without lowering ring volume? No way to turn off 3G (if you had AT&T in NYC you'd understand why)
These are things i consider very very basic and should be implemented.
I really don't care about the apps. That's not why i'm switching. I'm switching because i have a problem with the OS not having basic functionality.
Hi guys, lets try to keep the forum focused in DEVELOPMENT, in this section for WP7. Thread closed.