Hello
Im a proud owner of DesireZ, got it from my provider for free, and I could not possibly think of a better phone than this. On stock clock - it runs high graphic games, and it runs smooth. I really cant imagine what would someone do with announced Exynos 2Ghz on SGS3, apart from resolution requirements. But than again, everything above ~250ppi is just retarded, by my standards. This HTC phone is perfect for me.
so, my question is -
1. need to replace stock rom with something good
2. need fully working phone (camera also, so no ICS for me, I guess )
3. need info on Sense version that doesnt cause bugs and problems, cause I have read lots of topics with people complaining. (lagging after couple of hours, need restart and so on)
4. CM, or ICS, or some pre-tunned Gingerbread .. ?
As I have done this before with some similar devices, please link the following to me:
1. root instructions
2. backup instructions
3. best OS by my requirements (smoothness, no bugs, and pre-installed OC software are priority)
and that's it
Im sorry in advance, cause there will surely be someone that says - use search, but Im making it like this cause regular visitors of site can find that with much more ease than I could. Appreciate help in advance.
Welcome to the DZ/G2 forums!
The procedure of using gfree to root and carrier unlock your DZ is in my signature. Depending on your current installed version of ROM, you may or may not have to downgrade your phone.
The most stable versions of ROMs that I have personally tried are the following.
Virtuous Sense: The closest stock DZ ROM you can get with optimizations and tweaks. It's been debloated of carrier crap and has an OC kernel up to 1.5GHz if I am not mistaken. The best GB Sense experience you can get IMO.
Virtuous G-Lite: The closest stock G2 ROM you can get with optimizations and tweaks. Debloated of T-Mobile's carrier crap and also OC-able to about 1.5GHz. Very light weight and able to go out 2-3 days on the stock battery on a single charge depending on usage. I would, however, recommend ditching LauncherPRO in favor of GOLauncherEX though.
Thanks man!
It is not carrier locked, cause supply stock of Serbian Telekom was only few and they didnt bother, it is a plain simple out-of-the-factory Desire Z.
If I choose G-lite, can I flash my regular DesireZ, are there limitations between G2/DZ .. ?
Does OC-ing to, lets say - 1.2Ghz shorten battery life ?
I like this G-lite, as I am aware of the fact that Android generally drains much more than other OSes, as I had HTC Blackstone. 4 days on WM6.5, 1 day on Android.
If you want a Sense 3.5 ROM, but a bit refreshed, I've been using Android Revolution for a few days and it's amazingly smooth compared to the other 3.5 ones.
I would HIGHLY recommend G2 Slim. It's the latest t-mobile release of gingerbread for the G2, but it has nearly everything unnecessary removed and it has the best battery life out of ALL the ROMs on our devices.
It's a very smooth ROM with all features working, it is a bit basic but there's nothing you can't really fix with apps from the market. It's very very fast, has ridiculous amounts of free RAM, it's great with multitasking and it's even very quick when it comes to app performance.
Virtuous G-Lite is basically the same as G2 Slim, except it's much faster. It seems like the extra speed of G-Lite comes at the cost of battery life though. That said, the battery life on both of those ROMs is amazing, so you can't go wrong with either of them.
Otherwise, if you're looking for something different and a little bit fun, try out the latest gingerbread release of MIUI . You will fall in love with the theming abilities of that ROM.
Get miui, looks good, and just works. ... MIUI Android (GB)
I would highly recommend AOSP, be it G2Slim or EliteMod.
Sense and MIUI can be fun to play with, but they're just toys IMO and like to eat your RAM and battery life. They do each offer some pretty kickin' features that AOSP doesn't but I still prefer the base experience as it offers the most stability, battery-life, and overall smoothness.
Happy to hear you like the phone, I'm going on a year and a month now and I still love it! I have nothing but praises for this thing, the flash even almost survived me! But alas I have to replace it after one too many accidental hits of the Torch quick setting.
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I would highly recommend AOSP, be it G2Slim or EliteMod.
Sense and MIUI can be fun to play with, but they're just toys IMO and like to eat your RAM and battery life. They do each offer some pretty kickin' features that AOSP doesn't but I still prefer the base experience as it offers the most stability, battery-life, and overall smoothness.
Happy to hear you like the phone, I'm going on a year and a month now and I still love it! I have nothing but praises for this thing, the flash even almost survived me! But alas I have to replace it after one too many accidental hits of the Torch quick setting.
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I agree with this, G2 Slim and Virtuous G-lite are both fantastic AOSP ROMs that you should try out.
I like how you all automatically assume that I know the "AOSP" abreviation, but google helped me on that one
played last night with all OS-es you recommended, and in the process I made a routine with flashing so now I know what im doing, and this is hard - in terms of what to choose It is now that I actually see the potential of this phone. XDA support for this device is just awesome, one of the most supported devices generally.
@buxtahuda - had a lots of smartphones before this one, all lost due to failures:
HD2 - was crappy in terms of assemble, got loose and had really bad plastic. When I opened it it was clear that HTC assembly was not good at that time
iPhone 3g - after 6 months of usage without protection and pocket time, it looked like it had a fight with Optimus Prime.
SGS1 - fell from 2 feet and the scene looked like I dropped i light bulb - into 100 pieces. even Cornig Gorilla glass that has only one flaw - side pressure, managed to crack
DesireZ is on a whole another level. I actually managed to drop it 5th day of usage because I replaced bundle headphones (that's the only thing that sucks) and didnt have cable-control, and trying to change a song while running on high-cardio excercise (weight loss process). It fell down also having momentum cause of running and it tubmled for 4-5 meters:
still cant find where are the scratches. really, I placed it under a magnifying glass and I cant find where are the scratches from f'in concrete! awesome materials and assembly by HTC
Rooting your phone, getting S-OFF to install other Roms
Hello and have fun with your Desire Z!
Full instructions for HTC Desire Z and T-Mobile G2 Root and FULL S-OFF can be found on http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#Rooting_the_G2
When you need support for getting S-OFF you can join the IRC channel #G2ROOT on freenode. Browser access on webchat.freenode.net . After joining the IRC webchat you can change to channel #G2ROOT using the command "/join #G2ROOT".
My favorite ROMs for the HTC Desire Z are:
* Virtuous Affinity 2.05: A little bit slow, but great experience
* Virtuous G-Lite 2.0.1: Very fast, some special software might have issues
* CyanogenMod 7.1: Great overall ROM, respectable speed and stable.
Try the ROMs and decide for yourself!
For backing up applications I recommend using Titanium Backup (Pro), for backing up your system you can use ClockworkRecovery and RomManager.
When you want to install more than one ROM on your phone at the same time then try BootManager (from Google Play). Might not work with all ROMs but is really good to try things!
Good Luck.
Congrats on your new phone! The Desire Z is starting to show its age, but considering the developer base and the fact that you got it for free, I'd say you got a pretty good deal.
Personally, I like MIUI and CyanogenMod 7. CM7 is a classic, and everyone loves it for the degree to which it preserves stock Android, while adding on a few improvements here and there. MIUI, on the other hand, gives you a complete re-imagining of the Android interface, and it can be great to use. I find myself alternating between the two every couple months, actually. That's the beauty of the Desire Z, though: the widespread developer support means you get that kind of flexibility!
I agree that Cyanogenmod 7 is fantastic but for me, i could NEVER eliminate the constant battery drain issues that i had with it no matter what. I'd still recommend it to newcomers but i think simpler ROMs like G-lite or G2 Slim are much better.
I generally like to have a clean and consistent looking UI on any ROM that i use and CM7's styling seemed to always take a way from the stock gingerbread feel that i was looking for. That's my opinion.
Right now, i'm using Virtuous G-lite and now i know what it's like to have a really really fast phone xD.
As far as Sense ROMs go, my experience showed me that Virtuous Affinity 2.05.0 was the fastest and most stable out of all the Sense 3.* ROMs.
After many tries, I decided to stay on G-lite mainly cause of the battery, but I would also like to give a chance to Virtuous Sense, cause it seemed (for a hour of usage) like a pretty decent ROM.
MIUI reppeled me with the iPhony look, that's sometnig I want to avoid in the future, even if it has only a fraction to do with rotten Apple.
The best option would be, if anyone ever creates it, ICS based system with the "strip-down" settings like G-lite. that I would like very much
Anyways, this phone is Awesome. I did not have a hype like this with any other phone, and as I stated, I had them all shortly after release (HD2, SGS1, iPhone 3G). The only thing that's bothering me is metal back-cover which I guess will be all bumpy in the future (I hate putting my phone in covers and skins) But I guess I could recreate it out of metal, since I am good with power tools and fine cutting of stuff, and like to do that kind of projects
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What's the advantage and disadvantage of both roms?
hope this helps: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=823228
short: sense is bloatware^^
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short: sense is bloatware^^
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I have two Desires, one running Sense and the other running CyanogenMod.
My "primary" device is my Sense phone, but due to an SD card problem last week I had to switch to using my CyanogenMod phone as my daily device as I didn't have time to sort out the other phone until the weekend just gone.
The long and short of it is that I am back to using my Sense phone because I think that the experience is better. Whilst CyanogenMod and similar ROMs may well be faster, IMHO this is only really apparent in benchmarks and not in general use.
That's not to say that CyanogenMod doesn't bring a lot of nice stuff to the table (much of which should be rolled back into AOSP IMO) - just that I personally find that Sense is just a more pleasant user experience, and because of this I can't see that it is "bloatware".
Regards,
Dave
Sense = owns all (IMO)
I've got the same opinion like Foxmeister...Cyanogen might be faster but you can't really notice the difference between Sense and non-Sense Roms in everyday-usage. Cyanogen (and other AOSP Roms) are only better in Benchmark Test like Quadrant...And I think Sense is a great User Experience and makes using the phone much easier...
It's down to personal taste, no one can tell you which one is better, you'll have to find out yourself through experiencing both types of ROMs
Thx guys~ i'll just stick to my leedroid 2.2e, love it...
Can any1 guide me into a thread or website explaining radio & kernel in android term? and how to install/flash it? is it by using rom manager? thx in advance...
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Sense = owns all (IMO)
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DomiKamp said:
I've got the same opinion like Foxmeister...Cyanogen might be faster but you can't really notice the difference between Sense and non-Sense Roms in everyday-usage. Cyanogen (and other AOSP Roms) are only better in Benchmark Test like Quadrant...And I think Sense is a great User Experience and makes using the phone much easier...
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how is your battery life fellas?
I used to loose 50% everyday with minimal usage
Tried Modaco not bad, but wanna try more, so i tried leedroid 2.2a, was very good, fast and stable, with launcher pro, then wanna try out non sense rom, because many said that it's faster, so i tried open desire, auto brightness seem to be a little too dark, get back to leedroid 2.2b, then don wanna give up on non sense rom, tried defrost again, turtle photoframe work slow when i change to other photo, some photos don even show up... get back to leedroid 2.2e... some how i found out that leedroid is faster than those non sense rom, y? i never use linux, sux at hacking, and love gaming (angry bird rocks!) and web surfing, i guess sense rom is better for me... wanna try cynogen but give up on non sense rom... leedroid is the best rom for normal user like me...
This is too general a question. there are many different builds of sense ROMS and many builds of ASOP ROMS.. they are all different. you can't really compare them as "sense vs non sense".
To put it simply you cannot compare them as a whole category.
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how is your battery life fellas?
I used to loose 50% everyday with minimal usage
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Currently using a MoDaCo R9 ROM.
23h 21m since unplugged and 60% battery left, though the phone was in airplane mode from around 11pm to 7am.
I didn't use the phone heavily yesterday, but did make/take a few phone calls, send/read a good number of emails, surfed the web, and listened to a bit of Spotify, so I'd definitely say my usage was more than minimal.
Regards,
Dave
P.S. <PEDANT ALERT> Argghh!! My pet peeve! Use of the word "loose" when what is really meant is "lose"! </PEDANT ALERT>
I'm on the HD port from robocik and it just rocks...FB/Twitter/weather sync every hour, bit of WiFi/Angry Birds every day, Gmail as and when I get an email, few calls, few txts. Off charge at 7:30am and put back on at around 11pm with about 40% left
Sense vs. Non-Sense is a preference. As mentioned rightly, many of the ROMs in both categories will work just as good for a specific user. But there are some distinct differences between them without a question. After months of testing with no real favoritism or devotion to some dev, I prefer some Sense based by a big margin on many fronts (Stock by nickiberli and teppic, LeeDroid, RCMix). And quite honestly, I haven't till now used any ROM with my full setup that was clearly and noticeably as fast and smooth as the RCMix v0.11 (except for the dirt slow restart/start).
RCMix v0.11 battery life is indeed good (I don't see it any worse than HTC 2.2) and the Battery Info section now reports the usages far more correctly. But it is still a beta work on many fronts. No cam or vid playback is too great a major issue for a smartphone. I mean, even apps like Nvu, Smart Compass, Cam Card, Document Scanner, Shop Savvy, Surveyor, Barcode Scanner, etc, won't work as they should due to this. It should be a cracking ROM once they can get these issues fixed.
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So far I've been using Revolution HD, but now I wonder if there are other ROMs that may have interesting things to offer.
I read the ROM's threads and I find it somewhat hard to decide based on those posts. Almost all say they are stable/fast/zipaligned/deodexed. Maybe there isn't that much difference between the custom Sense-ROMs?
LeeDroid sounds interesting, as does CoreDroid, but so does Revo HD...
So maybe those of you who are using custom ROMs could say why they use their specific ROM. I know there's no "best" ROM, but I guess everybody has a reason for their choice. I think it'd be interesting to hear.
Rcmix hd, because it's clean and near stock. Only real mod is the deodexing. The more the messing the more the chance of unforseen problems.
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So far I've been using Revolution HD, but now I wonder if there are other ROMs that may have interesting things to offer.
I read the ROM's threads and I find it somewhat hard to decide based on those posts. Almost all say they are stable/fast/zipaligned/deodexed. Maybe there isn't that much difference between the custom Sense-ROMs?
LeeDroid sounds interesting, as does CoreDroid, but so does Revo HD...
So maybe those of you who are using custom ROMs could say why they use their specific ROM. I know there's no "best" ROM, but I guess everybody has a reason for their choice. I think it'd be interesting to hear.
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Sorry to say but when you start on this flashing stuff you are going to spend a lot of time anyway. Trust me . I have tried out many of the ROM's and mostly they are all good. They all have a touch from the cook though. My advice is to try for yourself. It doesn't take more than 10 mins plus and you're set to go on a new rom.
Asking us will just give you answers pointing in different directions. I hope that you can use my advice. I know that its probably not what you wanted to hear but that's just my opinion.
Anders
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Yes, I know there's no way around trying for yourself. But it'll take some time to decide whether a ROM is good or not. You'd probably need to use the ROM for a couple of days.
But since there are many ROMs maybe the selection can be thinned out a bit by advice of other users. What would you suggest I try if I'm looking for a clean ROM where the changes are mostly under the hood. From browsing through the forum it seems Revo/Leedroid/Coredroid/Rcmix are fitting that description. Any other suggestions?
And I read in some Sig that Revolution HD was best performance and Leedroid best battery usage. Is that really the case?
Its a personal choice! LeeDroid all the way!
Well, I think the best thing to do is trying out the different roms and see what works for you.
I personally prefer the Revolution HD rom, but that doesn't mean that it's the right one for you
Revolution HD, LeeDroid and CoreDroid are the ones I've tried so far.
- Revolution HD is the one closest to stock which is both its' strong as well as its' weak point.
I have the strong suspicion that I might be doing sth wrong in its' case but with this ROM I always lose the "places" and "latitude" apps. On the other hand I notice I also lose them with every ROM (including the stock one) if I do a Factory Reset the "normal" way.
- LeeDroid is the one I tend to gravitate the most on because it's got that sth extra without being extremely heavy. Still too much bloat for my tastes though...
Works great though!
- CoreDroid is the one I like the most aesthetically (i.e the theme work they do) and they seem to be the ROM most on the bleeding edge.
However, I also got the most bugs out of all the ROMs I tried including the WiFi not working at all (turned out I needed to flash a different kernel manually), the battery draining EXTREMELY fast (not sure why, I didn't change any settings coming from the other two ROMs), the GPS navigator and an added Weather&Clock widget just crashing when called, as well as their own add-ons sending the phone on a BootLoop.
The "last straw" of sorts was today when I picked up my phone after a night that it auto-updated only to find the freakin' Market missing altogether!
In all honesty, CoreDroid would be the one I'd prefer if they could just get it to work right...
(P.S. interestingly enough, ALL three of them released a new version of their ROMs today so take all that I said earlier with a grain of salt as I can't know what bugs were squashed or whether any new ones were introduced).
I like leedroid the best. I installed it the day I got my phone. It's mostly stock, but with a ton of under the hood optimization. Ever since lee started doing his own kernels the phone has been getting quicker each release. And while there are kernels that score higher in benchmarks, general usage feels way snappier on lees kernels.
Been running leedroid roms for 3 months now, and nö issues to report
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CoreDroid HD v3.1 + LeeDroid v2.2.2 Custom Kernel Combo. Enough said.
Leedroid for battery life-Revolution for benchmark...
But every couple of days there are updates!This is nice or not?i think is better to use my CWM once a week,but thats roms life...
I like Core Droid the best, Sergio has been working hard these past days releasing update adter update to please everyone, and 99% of times he has done.
Battery life for me is amazing, performance is as smooth as butter, and Sergio is a theming god.
I also use LeeDrOiD's kernel, because it is perfect for me.
I have only used the Android Revolution HD rom, but this is a great rom, the battery time is good, and its easy to install and all the "crap" apps are removed.
I've never used leedroid as I've only used rev hd, but better battery life sounds good. What's the main difference between the 2 or 3 roms?
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They are different flavors of the same ROM (well, until recently at least, now CoreDroid is at version 1.84 which does away with some problems I had with the stock 1.72 as well as all the ROMs based on it) so it's not THAT extreme (nothing like flashing CyanogenMod) but there are subtle differences.
Personally, I like the blue theming of CoreDroid the best but they also tend to be pretty bleeding edge, better to let a ROM mature a little first, the Revolution HD ROM is the one closest to stock and the lightest of the bunch but LeeDroid's strong point is their very heavily optimized kernels with very frequent updates.
They have no custom theme but there is a lot of effect-based eye candy (like transparencies and flying-in message boxes).
Honestly I like all three for different reasons and keep switching between them on a pretty regular basis, so far I like the CoreDroid the best but I just keep going back to LeeDroid for stability and long battery life!
Hey fellows
Well,just post your opinion on the subject matter and/or experience with hens said (which is the best).
I just want to know the communities thoughts on this. (as well as possibly flashing one myself,cuz i've i am sick on flashing a new version of these Sense rom's)
Redux, its speed is incredible.
Tbh a rom depends on your needs and your own personal tastes. I have flashed so many aosp roms and have settled on miui. It has what I need and its fast. Just keep trying ruins till you like one.
Its taken me months, about 6 ish to stop flashing.
Swyped...
Oxygen works best for me. Fairly straightforward with only a few mods. Almost hack free.
Pretty much plain 2.3.4 but with extended power controls, pull-down notification and an updater.
I have it running with Launcherpro and its very smooth and very good battery life.
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I'm having trouble finding benchmarks or anything of the sort to figure out which ROM for the G2 is the fastest/best. Right now, I'm using CM7 Nightly, and it's definitely a huge improvement over the original, but before I settle in and keep it for good, I'm wondering if there's anything else I should consider.
Don't care about Sense UI or fancy animations or anything like that, just want something fast and simple (although I would like at least most of the CM7-specific options if possible, such as having the status bar at the bottom of the screen). Not interested in SD-based stuff, my SD card is only 8GB and class 2.
I gotta say I really liked coredroid but the mexidroid chili is the best rom I've used in my opinion. Smooth, battery is great, and its easy on the eyes.
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I gotta say I really liked coredroid but the mexidroid chili is the best rom I've used in my opinion. Smooth, battery is great, and its easy on the eyes.
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Any idea how they compare to Pyromod or SuperCM7? I've seen mention and videos touting both as being very fast.
MeXdroid ghost chili is the smoothest and fastest rom I have used. You have to try it. You will not regret it.
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Not a fan of pyromod..that bkahblah dude is a ****. Guys says "you CANT" use his stuff without asking and the first time he released pyro he openly admitted he bit of myjbarr. But whatever some people are cooler than other.
But I'm seriously not being biased when I say the hot chili is as responsive as iphone(yes haters iphone still has the smoothesg os in regards to responsiveness) give it a shot man its painless lol.
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I agree with the post above. meXdroidMod is by far the best rom I have ever used. It's fast,stable and nice to look at.
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Same here, of all the rom I've tested, MeXdroid Prechilli is the best so far.
Tested:
*Ultimate droid -blackdroid.
*all virtuous roms
*Insertcoin
*all villian series roms
I have to agree on the meXdroid as well.
Getting 3027 on Quadrant off of PyroMod 2.3.5, making it even faster than CM6 was. I would like to jump on the Mexdroid bandwagon, but it was laggy and I got force closes every two seconds (yes, I wiped). It only took me an hour to switch back to PM.
My quadrant with meXdroidMod is 3374. I will upload a screen shot when I get home.
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my opinions (since I'm sick of seeing these threads and am having a bad morning ):
-mexdroid is ugly but functional. mjybarr apparently will be putting out a non-themed version.. possibly interested. I like the dev team, they are attentive and helpful.
-pyromod has stuck up, whiny devs (read the first few pages of their thread) and native a2sd on a device that has absolutely no use for external app storage/swap/compcache in the first place. just reeks all around if you ask me.
-all of the cm7 variants (aka every aosp gingerbread rom we have thus far with the exception of a couple built straight from the tmo gingerbread leak) are nearly identical to cm7 out of the box with the exception of adding/removing a few apks here and there, some theming and possibly some settings tweaks (vm heap size, wifi sleep policy, other useless things)... all things you can do yourself from the base. there are some proprietary scripts and apps that some devs have bundled with their releases, but most I've seen feel more like marketing ploys (use our rom because we have this!!!) than anything I'd ever actually utilize.
-there is no such thing as the "fastest" or "best" gingerbread rom. if your measuring stick for what is fastest or best is a quadrant score.. well, I just hope it isn't.
-if you want an aosp gb rom, just get cm7, uninstall adw and any other extraneous system apps, and go. you'll get updates before any of the other roms (considering they're building from CM source) and you will have a huge community to turn to in the event that you run into a bug.
DISCLAIMER: I appreciate, regardless of whether or not I use, all of the hours of work our devs/chefs put into creating cool stuff for us. I am not name-calling, belittling or in any other way demeaning members of xda, simply stating my opinion based off of months and months of observation in the Vision development scene.
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my opinions (since I'm sick of seeing these threads and am having a bad morning ):
-mexdroid is ugly but functional. mjybarr apparently will be putting out a non-themed version.. possibly interested. I like the dev team, they are attentive and helpful.
-pyromod has stuck up, whiny devs (read the first few pages of their thread) and native a2sd on a device that has absolutely no use for external app storage/swap/compcache in the first place. just reeks all around if you ask me.
-all of the cm7 variants (aka every aosp gingerbread rom we have thus far with the exception of a couple built straight from the tmo gingerbread leak) are nearly identical to cm7 out of the box with the exception of adding/removing a few apks here and there, some theming and possibly some settings tweaks (vm heap size, wifi sleep policy, other useless things)... all things you can do yourself from the base. there are some proprietary scripts and apps that some devs have bundled with their releases, but most I've seen feel more like marketing ploys (use our rom because we have this!!!) than anything I'd ever actually utilize.
-there is no such thing as the "fastest" or "best" gingerbread rom. if your measuring stick for what is fastest or best is a quadrant score.. well, I just hope it isn't.
-if you want an aosp gb rom, just get cm7, uninstall adw and any other extraneous system apps, and go. you'll get updates before any of the other roms (considering they're building from CM source) and you will have a huge community to turn to in the event that you run into a bug.
DISCLAIMER: I appreciate, regardless of whether or not I use, all of the hours of work our devs/chefs put into creating cool stuff for us. I am not name-calling, belittling or in any other way demeaning members of xda, simply stating my opinion based off of months and months of observation in the Vision development scene.
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I wouldn't say pyromod devs are stuck up. But a little bit jerkish yeah, but who isn't now adays. Mexdroid.....that's exaclt why I haven't used it. I heard it was great fast and the devs are cool but I just don't like the alien cartoon look so I hope they make a normal looking one. Ill jump then. Pyros last two updates I haven't been able to restore my apps. Only rom it has happened on. But like pmc said...your best bet is to just go cm7 since damn near all are based off of it. Or just go personal prefernce after trial and error.
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i was getting same speeds with pyro and mexdroid but after messin with tweaKr options mexdroid is faster.
If you know how to tweak and fine tune nothing beats cyanogen. I have tried every rom on the forum.
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I just tried the new version of Pyromod today. It really does seem a hair faster than CM, but it's hell on my battery. (Losing about 1% a minute)
I'm going back to Cyanogen right now.
I'm not getting a battery drain with PyroMod 2.3.5. People must really be addicted to Angry Birds for that.
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Lol, I promise you, Angry Birds wasn't the problem. I don't use my phone for games.
I was experiencing a battery drain when the phone was sitting on my desk with the screen off. I don't use facebook or twitter (and I uninstalled the apps that came preloaded with the ROM) and I turned my RSS reader/podcast updates off just to make sure that wasn't the cause. I even tried turning off mobile data and sync... didn't make a difference. (I also did a battery calibration, and tried three different spare batteries I have)
<shrugs> I'm not sure what caused it, I have a lot of different apps, so it's certainly possible one of them was the cause. The android battery usage report showed that the drain was coming from Screebl (it attributed 98% of battery use to Screebl) but I read some info on the Screebl forum page about Android reporting battery usage incorrectly, and honestly, I've been using Screebl for a long time and I've never had that experience, so I tend to believe the info provided by the Screebl developer on that subject.
Either ways, I'm back to CM 7.1 RC1 now and the battery drain is gone.
Pyromod really was nice looking though, and I gotta admit, it felt a little zippier then the base Cyanogen. If I could figure out what was causing the battery drain, I'd try it again for sure.
okay, folks, so, i got clockwork mod, the lastest version, i have no idea what my radio is.
what rom would work best for me?
i just want
gingerbread
Sense
decent camera (not choppy like the default rom)
and decent speed
that's about it. basic stock with fast responses in a nutshell of the post.
For a fast, gingerbread sense 2.1 ROM I would try either newts optimized shift or Wild Stangs pure speed.
Any reason why you need gingerbread? I'm running one of Chingy's Gingerbread ROMs on my Thunderbolt, OC'd to 1.41, and that about what it takes to make it work smoothly. I tried a GB rom on my old dInc a few weeks ago. It was the herky-jerkiest thing I'd ever put on there. If you HAVE to have Sense, avoid Sense 3.0 elements and avoid anything 3D. AOSP like CM7 or the like is, in my experience, the only smart way to run GB on a dInc or EVO. GB in itself isn't the killer, it's Sense running on top of it.
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Any reason why you need gingerbread? I'm running one of Chingy's Gingerbread ROMs on my Thunderbolt, OC'd to 1.41, and that about what it takes to make it work smoothly. I tried a GB rom on my old dInc a few weeks ago. It was the herky-jerkiest thing I'd ever put on there. If you HAVE to have Sense, avoid Sense 3.0 elements and avoid anything 3D. AOSP like CM7 or the like is, in my experience, the only smart way to run GB on a dInc or EVO. GB in itself isn't the killer, it's Sense running on top of it.
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why are you bashing?, i asked a question about roms, not for people to bash stuff.
Kiboe said:
okay, folks, so, i got clockwork mod, the lastest version, i have no idea what my radio is.
what rom would work best for me?
i just want
gingerbread
Sense
decent camera (not choppy like the default rom)
and decent speed
that's about it. basic stock with fast responses in a nutshell of the post.
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To check your radio go to
Settings > About Phone > Baseband Version
I'll have to give you fair warning that the Sense GB's are a drainer on performance and battery - I would first suggest you try out SkyRaider (http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?1314-ROM-SkyRaider-Sense-4.2-UPDATED-6-28-11)
This is Froyo but it's sense and very stable, smooth, quick, and great battery life. I used it for a long while before I made the switch to CM7.
From personal experience if you're going gingerbread I say CM7 or OMFGB. Also MIUI is another popular choice (if you're into it- very different from any other ROM).
ADW launcher comes with CM7, and at first that was the whole reason I stopped using CM7, then I figured out you can change the launcher.. haha
Launcher Pro+ was a much better choice for me, so if you go that route and you don't like ADW- you know where to turn
Kernel's are another very major part of how well your phone performs and also your battery life. Chad's incredikernel are by far the top choice for both Sense and AOSP kernel's.
As always, if you have bad luck with one ROM or kernel, get suggestions and try another. There IS a perfect combination waiting for you
From experience, I would have to agree with loonatik78 about Sense 3.0's effects on phone performance. With that said, I absolutely love Sense and stayed on Sense 2.1/3.0 roms until 3.0 roms received proper treatment and I subsequently switched over to Pure 3.0 roms several weeks ago. I agree with loonatik78 in the sense that you should avoid a pure 3.0 rom IF you want generally less lag but as development continues they get better everyday.
I would suggest Synergy rom from Incubus26jc, Optimized Shift from Newtoroot, AND Nils Business Gingersense 2.1/3.0 +3d. I respect these dev's work and recommend them with ease. As far as the camera, I don't take pics often so I can't provide much insight there. I know Nils' rom is in the process of including hdr and panorama as a setting in the camera app courtesy of Newtoroot (who included it in his Hybrid Sense 3.0 rom I believe). Hopefully you peak in and see what each Sense 2.1/3.0 rom available has to offer and find your daily.
Wdforty's Inc2 Remix hands down. Its a Sense 2.1 ROM with the nice 3.0 bits added in and the battery life is pretty good. It's pretty stable as well.
For the full Sense 3.0 experience I would give Nils Gingersense 3.0 a try. He does great work as well and his ROM is quite snappy for 3.0.
To be honest, flashing on the Incredible is so easy you can try them all out for yourself to see which ROM satisfies YOUR needs. As long as you stick with ROMS towards the top of the Developement forum (shows many people are using them) you will be fine. Read the threads for serious bugs that are reported that may sway you from using a rom.
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k, i am close, i's just trhat i talked to a freind who put cm7 or a rom on his droid 1, and he said he had to reset it.
i guess i am just afraid of bricking the phone, booted cm7 the last time throuh rom manager, and it kept botting in bootloop, well, i got the rom back, but, i don't want to go through that again.
POQbum said:
To check your radio go to
Settings > About Phone > Baseband Version
I'll have to give you fair warning that the Sense GB's are a drainer on performance and battery - I would first suggest you try out SkyRaider (http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?1314-ROM-SkyRaider-Sense-4.2-UPDATED-6-28-11)
This is Froyo but it's sense and very stable, smooth, quick, and great battery life. I used it for a long while before I made the switch to CM7.
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okay, the thing is, is there really that much of a noticable difference bewteen 2.2 and 2.3? i already tested out flash and it works flawlessly o this default dinc (after i cleared the bloatware out, THANKS TITANIUM BACKUP!) i'm not going to use blockbuster, or netflix (as much as people like that, i don't watch movies on a 3 1/2 scren.
okay, i may just try oput skyraider to start with, like i said i'm new to flashing.
Kiboe said:
okay, i may just try oput skyraider to start with, like i said i'm new to flashing.
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I like Nils Business Gingersense 3d-2.3 for a Sense rom. It is stable, quick and battery life is good. I use Conaps DualRom x2 so I'm able to load CM7, OMFGB, Evervolv and Miui (all Aosp roms) also. They are all very stable, quick and very good battery life using Chad's incredikernel on all except OMFGB on which I use invisiblek kernel.
I think in the end, it is mostly a matter of personal preference.
Kiboe said:
why are you bashing?, i asked a question about roms, not for people to bash stuff.
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Holy Sh#t! Are you for real??? All I was doing was giving you an honest impression of my personal experience with a gingerbread Sense ROM built by one of the most experienced devs on the dInc. I used a LOT of ROM's on that phone. The absolute fastest Sense experience you will find is Incredibly Re-Engineered 2.3.2 using Ziggy's BFS 4/10 overclocked to 1.153GHz, smartass gov. setCPU to sleep at 245. The better way to do it would be to use the sysfs interface with a script to undervolt it more, set the smartass to be more conservative, and overclock it. If the smartass is tweaked correctly, the thing will do most of it's work around 768MHz or less, but will still have the overhead to ramp up to 1.153GHz if the load demands. I've been looking at all the GB kernels available and the sysfs on them isn't set up to do all that I've described on any of them. That's not to say they're not very well appointed kernels. They are, to the point I'm jealous. The TB has 2 GB Sense kernels. And the second one is based off the tree of the first.
My Tbolt took a mean hit in performance moving from froyo to GB. It's muscular enough hardware that it makes little impact on user experience. I put the same ROM ported for the dInc on the dInc and it was simply painful to watch. Aside from full Sense with Sense 3.0 elements, that ROM was stripped to the bone. That's why I asked if you really need GB. If you don't, there's far faster stuff out there in the land of Froyo. I run GB on the dInc now, and it's just as stupid-fast as the Tbolt, but it's AOSP. In fact, it would probably out-score my Bolt on benchmarks.
I like my Sense too. My dInc runs AOSP because that's what the gf likes. It'll probably go back to Sense when I give it to my wife. It's nice being able to get some AOSP experience now, since I don't have to live with the thing. Sorry if my opinion of my experience with GB Sense made it look like I was hating on the dInc. I'm not. You should have seen a lot of the first GB builds for the Bolt. You'd be lucky if the thing even booted. And they crawled along like sloths on opium. Maybe when some more developed GB leaks come along, it will work like it should. It's not there yet. Go try some and let me know. I'd love to think I'm wrong.
Optimized shift is my favorite just wish it had 2.1 lockscreen.. pure speed is fast just the lockscreen call bug irritated me... I'm on omfgb and have had a fast and stable experience.. using incredikernel with fast charge.. sense is nice but way too laggy for me.. guess I'm just picky..
Once a fast stable 3.0 sense rom comes out I'll probably switch to it... I try every rom I think is good but usually sense lets me down..
Well that's my 2¢…
Btw dude wasn't bashing he was telling you his experience... NOT everyone on here are a$$ holes lol
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Kiboe said:
okay, i may just try oput skyraider to start with, like i said i'm new to flashing.
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That's a good one to start out with.
CM7 is nice but some people just prefer Sense.
I'd suggest that you stay away from ROM manager just because it can be buggy often.
Really not too big of changes from 2.2 to 2.3
Most notable is the over-scroll effect and they put in some security patches.
Eventually I'm sure you'll want to try out Sense 3.0- but just giving out my opinion in that it doesn't run too great on the INC compared to other ROM's. Bunches of people use it all the time and love it, so who knows, it may be for you. It's what's so great about android.
@loonatik78 / Kiboe
The problem isn't so much the fact that it's GB, it's because Sense GB adds on a whole lotta more bloat to your phone. Our phones just weren't designed to handle the newer Sense versions, and although you can flash it and you can use it as a daily you won't get the best performance or battery out of your phone.
DEV's are making this situation better with each new release but I think you get what I'm saying.
Also know that if you update to GB on AOSP you will lose your 720p video recording- not important to most people but if it is to you then you should clear away.
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Btw dude wasn't bashing he was telling you his experience... NOT everyone on here are a$$ holes lol
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I think OP was still mad at him for his other 10 posts of pure bashing and douche-baggery that he made in a couple other threads.
yep, just flashed skyraider and...so far i love it, i just have the itch to flash over to gingersense due to gb, but like you said, i may hold off on that for a while.
"@loonatik78 / Kiboe The problem isn't so much the fact that it's GB, it's because Sense GB adds on a whole lotta more bloat to your phone. Our phones just weren't designed to handle the newer Sense versions, and although you can flash it and you can use it as a daily you won't get the best performance or battery out of your phone."
That really is the exact point I was trying to make. Sorry if my opinion of the dInc, based on experiences just like this, bothers some folks. I really am. For the record I got quite caustic in 2 other threads concerning "what's next" and "dInc verses bolt". If I didn't have a really good experience with the dInc, I wouldn't have got a dInc2 and a Tbolt. Though the basic specs look quite similar for all 3, the little details make the big difference. For example, the Tbolt and dInc2 use the same chip. It's a snapdragon, but fabbed on a smaller process. It's got more on-die cache and RAM. They use more efficient radios. They both use a more advanced GPU.
Maybe gingerbread sense ROMs will get more efficient. That would be nice. But that isn't reality today. I doubt that will ever be reality regarding Sense 3.0 ROMs. They ask a lot from hardware that phone hasn't got. Therefore, I call the Tbolt and dInc2 better and what's next. It's just facts. Nothing people should be getting worked up over. I'll try to disagree a bit more diplomaticly in the future.
loonatik78 said:
"@loonatik78 / Kiboe The problem isn't so much the fact that it's GB, it's because Sense GB adds on a whole lotta more bloat to your phone. Our phones just weren't designed to handle the newer Sense versions, and although you can flash it and you can use it as a daily you won't get the best performance or battery out of your phone."
That really is the exact point I was trying to make. Sorry if my opinion of the dInc, based on experiences just like this, bothers some folks. I really am. For the record I got quite caustic in 2 other threads concerning "what's next" and "dInc verses bolt". If I didn't have a really good experience with the dInc, I wouldn't have got a dInc2 and a Tbolt. Though the basic specs look quite similar for all 3, the little details make the big difference. For example, the Tbolt and dInc2 use the same chip. It's a snapdragon, but fabbed on a smaller process. It's got more on-die cache and RAM. They use more efficient radios. They both use a more advanced GPU.
Maybe gingerbread sense ROMs will get more efficient. That would be nice. But that isn't reality today. I doubt that will ever be reality regarding Sense 3.0 ROMs. They ask a lot from hardware that phone hasn't got. Therefore, I call the Tbolt and dInc2 better and what's next. It's just facts. Nothing people should be getting worked up over. I'll try to disagree a bit more diplomaticly in the future.
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It's more the way you argue for them than the fact that they are. Everyone knows those are newer phones with better upgraded hardware, but compared with the evolution of Android- they aren't that big of a step from INC even though they are still a step up. 4G is nice but a very small percentage of people have that, and when they leave that area it's gone.
idk why this has to be my 3rd time telling you this *facepalm*
POQbum said:
It's more the way you argue for them than the fact that they are. Everyone knows those are newer phones with better upgraded hardware, but compared with the evolution of Android- they aren't that big of a step from INC even though they are still a step up. 4G is nice but a very small percentage of people have that, and when they leave that area it's gone.
idk why this has to be my 3rd time telling you this *facepalm*
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I guess I'm just not seeing that a small percentage are LTE covered. I can drive 100 miles many places with LTE coverage. Most of a drive from Detroit, MI to Cincinnati, OH is covered with LTE. I can drive from Cocoa to Tampa with LTE the whole way. Fostoria, OH has it. Who's even heard of Fostoria, OH? I WISH this thing had a display like the dInc2. It doesn't. It kinda sucks actually. What comes after this will be a fairly marginal, incremental improvement as well. Dual core? That's not gonna be 2 big, beefy Scorpion cores like what they're using now. The primary purpose of dual cores is power consumption. Each will use less cache and resources. Together they should perform about as well as a Tbolt Scorpion clocked up around 1.91GHz (Very possible, believe it or not) and use much less power. The really cool thing about the dInc is it was so powerful there was just about nothing it couldn't do given the resources outside of the device. Everything else had to catch up to what it could do. It STILL makes the iPhone4 look dated! That's a HUGE compliment. But, now devices will have to catch up to what LTE can do. It's not just faster. You can do things with the phone that were impossible before, simply because the speed wasn't there. That's made my user experience noticeably better. Other people see it too when they ask you to use your phone for something because it's just too slow on their 3G device. That's my opinion. It's been more than marginal improvement for me and a few of my friends, even if the actual hardware isn't radically improved. Ya'll can take it for what it's worth, go try one out, tell me to **** off, whatever. You're gonna be in the same boat as me eventually.
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I guess I'm just not seeing that a small percentage are LTE covered. I can drive 100 miles many places with LTE coverage. Most of a drive from Detroit, MI to Cincinnati, OH is covered with LTE. I can drive from Cocoa to Tampa with LTE the whole way. Fostoria, OH has it. Who's even heard of Fostoria, OH? I WISH this thing had a display like the dInc2. It doesn't. It kinda sucks actually. What comes after this will be a fairly marginal, incremental improvement as well. Dual core? That's not gonna be 2 big, beefy Scorpion cores like what they're using now. The primary purpose of dual cores is power consumption. Each will use less cache and resources. Together they should perform about as well as a Tbolt Scorpion clocked up around 1.91GHz (Very possible, believe it or not) and use much less power. The really cool thing about the dInc is it was so powerful there was just about nothing it couldn't do given the resources outside of the device. Everything else had to catch up to what it could do. It STILL makes the iPhone4 look dated! That's a HUGE compliment. But, now devices will have to catch up to what LTE can do. It's not just faster. You can do things with the phone that were impossible before, simply because the speed wasn't there. That's made my user experience noticeably better. Other people see it too when they ask you to use your phone for something because it's just too slow on their 3G device. That's my opinion. It's been more than marginal improvement for me and a few of my friends, even if the actual hardware isn't radically improved. Ya'll can take it for what it's worth, go try one out, tell me to **** off, whatever. You're gonna be in the same boat as me eventually.
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Well there's still no 4G in VA at all so it's got a ways to go before it's considered coverageable.
The CPU speed was what I was trying to say to you before, it takes a lot of power to rev the CPU faster- and with dual cores they can both run slower yet outperform a beefier CPU clocked at faster rates. That's really the upgrade I'm waiting for, a good phone with dual core with root available.
this is going horribly offtopic.
I think it's pretty amazing how there really are no mods here.
It's like they all just abandoned.