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Sensation XE or Galaxy Nexus ??

What you guys think is the best smartphone to buy at the moment sensation XE or Galaxy Nexus ???
I am a desire user and was planing to sensation XE but now that the Galaxy Nexus is announced I am bit confused.. However, I really like the new nexus and now I am thinking of buying Galaxy nexus. Reason for that is the UI is now getting very similar to htc sense and new hardware features such as the HD screen, android beam etc. I will make my finally decision after reading nexus reviews.
What you guys say?? Which one you will choose ?

I´d rather wait a little longer (a few weeks or so) and see what other devices will get an ICS update.
This would make some other current devices much more appealing.
E.g. those Motorola ones.

HTC might not update their new devices with ICS as it might slow down their phones with HTC Sense on top of it...

Personally I wouldn't want either; holding my Atrix firmly in one hand, I can just about reach the top left and bottom left corners of the touchscreen with my thumb. That would mean on a device like this I'd have to use it two handed... Why are high-end phones getting so giant these days?!
But given the choice between the two, I'd take the Sensation XE. I suspect the Galaxy Nexus will suffer rather badly in 3D performance as a result of using an SGX 540 (albeit one paired with dual-channel memory) for such a high-res screen. We know for sure it's going to get walked all over by the iPhone 4S with its 960x640 screen w/SGX543MP...
Depending on when current-gen Tegra 2/OMAP 4/Exynos/Snapdragon S3 devices get ICS updates, they may prove to be a better choice for that reason alone. This time next year, 1280x720 will probably be more viable. I suspect A5 is the only SoC with the grunt right now. Still, I could be proven wrong.
Edit: This is in the Desire forum? I'm confused...

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HTC might not update their new devices with ICS as it might slow down their phones with HTC Sense on top of it...
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Sense with HW accel = WIN!

im just going by what theyve said
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/19/htc-were-reviewing-ice-cream-sandwich-and-determining-our-plan/

actually I dont like Samsung phones... and both galaxy nexus and Sensation XE/XL are just TOO BIG >.>
Id take a HTC Bliss or wait some more

Azurael said:
Personally I wouldn't want either; holding my Atrix firmly in one hand, I can just about reach the top left and bottom left corners of the touchscreen with my thumb. That would mean on a device like this I'd have to use it two handed... Why are high-end phones getting so giant these days?!
But given the choice between the two, I'd take the Sensation XE. I suspect the Galaxy Nexus will suffer rather badly in 3D performance as a result of using an SGX 540 (albeit one paired with dual-channel memory) for such a high-res screen. We know for sure it's going to get walked all over by the iPhone 4S with its 960x640 screen w/SGX543MP...
Depending on when current-gen Tegra 2/OMAP 4/Exynos/Snapdragon S3 devices get ICS updates, they may prove to be a better choice for that reason alone. This time next year, 1280x720 will probably be more viable. I suspect A5 is the only SoC with the grunt right now. Still, I could be proven wrong.
Edit: This is in the Desire forum? I'm confused...
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Sorry being a noob, but what makes the A5 better than the processor in the galaxy nexus? I thought the nexus was 1.5Ghz dual-core, surely that's faster?

I am in the excatly same position, Im due for an upgrade. It took a long time to decide I wanted the Sensation XE because it looks so good with the red highlights and the Sense UI is a big favourite after having the Desire for 2 years now.
Now the Nexus has been announched I dont know whether to wait and get that. The Nexus vanilla ICS is really tempting cause it looks so good and is such a simplistic OS, and I think once HTC sense gets layed over the top it wont look anythink like that. The things that put me off the Nexus is that I think the it's too big. 4.65 inch is massive. The sensation 4.3 inch is bordering on too big.
It's a hard decision when you may own it on a contract for another 2 years, that Nexus is so future proofed you could own it for 4 years and not brake sweat about being out of date.
Sorry if this is dumbed down but I'm not excatly an expert on the specifics but any advice would be a bonus?

theboymini said:
The Nexus vanilla ICS is really tempting cause it looks so good and is such a simplistic OS, and I think once HTC sense gets layed over the top it wont look anythink like that.
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6chrisp said:
Sorry being a noob, but what makes the A5 better than the processor in the galaxy nexus? I thought the nexus was 1.5Ghz dual-core, surely that's faster?
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It depends on how optimised the processor is to work with the phone. A5 is made specifically for iOS devices only so it will work way better than the OMAP processor used in the Galaxy Nexus as the processor has to adapt to a lot of different device who uses it. Also, Galaxy Nexus has a 1.2 Ghz Dual Core OMAP processor, not 1.5 Ghz.
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isnt the sensation XL the 16GB internal no microSD slot version?
if so i'd pass on that instantly.

The HTC Rezound (a.k.a Vigor) would be the one when or if it comes out and had the specs it's saying it might have.

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The HTC Rezound (a.k.a Vigor) would be the one when or if it comes out and had the specs it's saying it might have.
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true - isnt that like the senesation xe + more ram? (1gb rather than 3/4GB)

For me either smaller device ~4 inches or Galaxy Nexus - basically HTC for me have two big assets - Sense and shells (casing). Sense is much more polished from GB but the gap narrows with ICS, especially with some extra apps. While SGS/Nexus S has completely ridiculous material on the back, SGSII and nexus Galaxy seems to find some improvements in this matter.
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Lothaen said:
true - isnt that like the senesation xe + more ram? (1gb rather than 3/4GB)
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Shud have the 4.3 inch 720p display (like the nexus) and the 1gb ram. Only it they put in 16/32GB memory with expandable microSD it would be the one. Also, as YorickRise states a nice solid case rather than those plastic ones Samsung insists on making so their phones are lighter.
Just got to wait....

itachi1706 said:
It depends on how optimised the processor is to work with the phone. A5 is made specifically for iOS devices only so it will work way better than the OMAP processor used in the Galaxy Nexus as the processor has to adapt to a lot of different device who uses it. Also, Galaxy Nexus has a 1.2 Ghz Dual Core OMAP processor, not 1.5 Ghz.
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An Cortex A9 dual core is a Cortex A9 dual core. In terms of CPU performance there shouldn't be a great deal of difference between any of them unless the app is using NEON which isn't supported on the Tegra 2. And the dual core Qualcomms perform a bit different because Snapdragon is A8 compatible, but not actually based on the A8 or A9 cores, its Qualcomms own design. However, the GPU is different in all these chips, and that's a where the difference comes in. OMAP 4 as seen in the Galaxy Nexus and newer Moto devices uses the old sgx540 which you nay know from the original Galaxy S inside Samsungs hummingbird single cores. It was the best mobile GPU in its day and has been clocked much faster and paired with dual channel memory in the OMAP 4 giving it similar performance to Mali 400MP in the Exynos, Adreno 220 in the Qualcomms and slightly ahead of GeForce ULP in the Tegra 2. Not enough, IMHO for such a high-res screen such as that in the Galaxy Nexus. The shiny new sgx543mp in the Apple A5 blows all of the competition out of the water at the moment though! However we will see other SoCs in early 2012 that are competitive from a GPU standpoint.
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theboymini said:
Shud have the 4.3 inch 720p display (like the nexus) and the 1gb ram. Only it they put in 16/32GB memory with expandable microSD it would be the one. Also, as YorickRise states a nice solid case rather than those plastic ones Samsung insists on making so their phones are lighter.
Just got to wait....
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Those flimsy plastic cases, while not feeling so great in the hand and looking pretty tacky for a highend device are actually a lot more impact resistant than the metallic bodied phones. Look for Galaxy SII drop tests on YouTube if you don't believe me. It mirrors the experiences I've had with laptops (I.e. Apples pro line with the metal cases have lasted a lot less well that the plastic-bodied non-pro models.)
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itachi1706 said:
It depends on how optimised the processor is to work with the phone. A5 is made specifically for iOS devices only so it will work way better than the OMAP processor used in the Galaxy Nexus as the processor has to adapt to a lot of different device who uses it. Also, Galaxy Nexus has a 1.2 Ghz Dual Core OMAP processor, not 1.5 Ghz.
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Actually that's a no. A dualcore 1.2 ghz processor contains exactly 2 cores capable of exactly 1.2 billion cycles per second. No more and no less, and compared to the apple a5 in the 4s clocked at 800 mhz that is a 50% increase.
The a5 gpu however is indeed a tad better
edit: and i have to completely disagree that apple in any way can utilize the raw processing power any better than other companies.. That is just plain wrong. They can and have however build the system to utilize the gpu for transition effects and simple animations just as google does in hc and onwards.

mortenmhp said:
Actually that's a no. A dualcore 1.2 ghz processor contains exactly 2 cores capable of exactly 1.2 billion cycles per second. No more and no less, and compared to the apple a5 in the 4s clocked at 800 mhz that is a 50% increase.
The a5 gpu however is indeed a tad better
edit: and i have to completely disagree that apple in any way can utilize the raw processing power any better than other companies.. That is just plain wrong. They can and have however build the system to utilize the gpu for transition effects and simple animations just as google does in hc and onwards.
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iOS 5 is clearly better optimised than Android 2.3 in most benchmarks.... Especially in browser-related tests like JavaScript benches. However, we'll see how 4.0 handles as 3.0 on tablets is a lot closer to iOS benchmarked on similar hardware. And not all CPUs perform the same at the same clockspeed. Do you really think a dual core Atom (simple, in order core, limited cache and bandwidth and less execution units) performs the same as an i3 (complex, out-of-order core with loads of cache, loads of bandwidth and lots of execution units) at the same clock, for example? In fact, the reason I choce this particular comparison is it's an extreme with CPUs sharing the x86 instruction set; the i3 would be more than twice as fast in most cases.
CPU performance depends on a lot of things; for example the number of execution units inside capable of a given operation, pipeline length, cache optimisations, memory bandwidth, bus speeds, the efficiency of the instruction resceduler (for out of order CPUs) and a number of other factors. Even CPUs with the same cores (like ARM's A9 for example) can perform differently - some (like Ti's OMAP) have dual channel memory whereas Tegra 2, for example is constrained to a single channel, although this is much more likely to affect GPUs (which are also integrated and share memory bandwidth with the CPU) than CPUs with current cores. The CPU cores in Snapdragon S3, particularly, perform quite differently (a little worse in most cases) than other current-gen dual-core ARM chips due to their use of Qualcomm's Scorpion CPU core (which is an arm v7l chip compatible with, but not identical to an A8 - a single Scorpion is faster than a single A8 due to partial out-of-order support but the more complete out-of-order support and shorter instruction pipeline means A9 will perform better per core at the same clock than Snapdragons.)
And that's before we even mention instruction set extensions like NEON and SSE - when running code which is optimised for and can take advantage of these (which tend to be media-related apps like video encoding) you could end up with orders of magnitude difference in performance. The implementation of Sandy Bridges AVX extensions allow them to double performance at the same clock in linpack benchmarks versus the previous generation 'Nehalem' based chips for example.
Oh, and SGX543MP2 isn't just a tad faster than anything we have in Android hardware at the moment, it's A LOT faster, especially given that A5 uses dual channel memory and everything we have bar the TI OMAP 4 with its aging (though fast-clocked) SGX540 is single channel. Also bear in mind that the iPhone 4/s GPU is dealing with a 960x640=614,400 pixel display whereas many high-end Android devices (GSII for example) are still only packing 800x480 displays with 384,000 pixels and the GPU has to do a lot more work to render 60% more pixels! - be careful when comparing benchmarks!

[Q] Single Core GPU

All my friends are big time apple fan. I respect their choice and I do find that there are some things which are great in apple products. So whenever I buy my smartphone I try to make sure that it is as powerful as iPhone, at least hardware wise. iPhone 4S has a dual core GPU where as Galaxy Nexus has only a single core??!!!
I was actually thinking of grabbing the Motorola Razr but after realizing that it has bit slow processor and also a single core GPU I thought I will look forward for Galaxy Nexus. Unfortunately it seems like G.Nexus has a single core GPU too.
Does any one knows how much does it matter, when compared to a dual core GPU? Especially when you are using the HDMI cable to watch something in your TV.
Thanks
PS: The only phone in the market right now that could go head to head with iPhone 4s is either LG Optimus HD and HTC Rezound, I think.

Bikram said:
... Nexus has only a single core??!!!
I was actually thinking of grabbing the Motorola Razr but after realizing that it has bit slow processor and also a single core GPU I thought I will look forward for Galaxy Nexus. Unfortunately it seems like G.Nexus has a single core GPU too.
Does any one knows how much does it matter, when compared to a dual core GPU? Especially when you are using the HDMI cable to watch something in your TV.
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It's only really going to matter with games. The SGX540 in the Galaxy Nexus should be able to handle hdmi output for video with no problem.
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It's only really going to matter with games. The SGX540 in the Galaxy Nexus should be able to handle hdmi output for video with no problem.
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Why does the gpu need to handle video when the omap 4460 has a dedicated iva3 processor to handle video. And to original poster. The galaxy s2 has a quad core gpu. Tegra2 has 8. Tegra 3 will have 12. It seems your phone preference is purely superficial and that you would be better off getting an iphone since you just want to be the 'my phone has more horses underneath the hood than yours' type of person.
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the more cores doesnt really mean better......I know its a different architecture but a quadcore i7 out performs a hexacore AMD bulldozers....
Cores are turning into the new megapixel

slowz3r said:
Cores are turning into the new megapixel
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Exaclty. I can't believe how many of my friends (iPoop users) have asked me "is that phone dual core?" Because of the iPoop 4S boasting better proccessor, then they say hmm that must make a phone powerful!
I do have somethings against Apple but still without that people always want MP and now Cores. :\
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Exactly. Cores doesnt double performance when you move up to 2 and quadruple when you move to 4. A 300hp wont necessarily outperform a car with 200hp either.
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pukemon said:
And to original poster. The galaxy s2 has a quad core gpu. Tegra2 has 8. Tegra 3 will have 12.
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Not in the sense that the A5 is a dual-core. The Mali-400MP has four pixel shaders (what they like to call quad-core) and one vertex shader. Tegra 2 has four pixel shaders and four vertex shaders, which they total to 8. Tegra 3 has 8 pixel shaders and 4 vertex shaders, for a total of twelve. They aren't cores at all, that's just BS that nVidia started a while ago to take a cheap shot at Intel.
On the other hand, the SGX543MP2 effectively has two complete GPUs - each with four pixel shaders and four vertex shaders. Hardware wise, it's pretty much equivalent to taking two of the GPUs used in the Nexus and sticking them together. Albeit at a lower clock rate, I imagine.
Not that it really makes that much difference for mobile games - art style can go a long way towards making a game look amazing on low-power hardware. The iPhone 4 has/had some pretty amazing looking games, and you'd struggle to find a higher-end Android these days whose GPU doesn't absolutely smash the iPhone 4.

Sjael said:
Not in the sense that the A5 is a dual-core. The Mali-400MP has four pixel shaders (what they like to call quad-core) and one vertex shader. Tegra 2 has four pixel shaders and four vertex shaders, which they total to 8. Tegra 3 has 8 pixel shaders and 4 vertex shaders, for a total of twelve. They aren't cores at all, that's just BS that nVidia started a while ago to take a cheap shot at Intel.
On the other hand, the SGX543MP2 effectively has two complete GPUs - each with four pixel shaders and four vertex shaders. Hardware wise, it's pretty much equivalent to taking two of the GPUs used in the Nexus and sticking them together. Albeit at a lower clock rate, I imagine.
Not that it really makes that much difference for mobile games - art style can go a long way towards making a game look amazing on low-power hardware. The iPhone 4 has/had some pretty amazing looking games, and you'd struggle to find a higher-end Android these days whose GPU doesn't absolutely smash the iPhone 4.
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Im well aware of this. The op probably doesnt know or care. Hell, if you get a desktop class gfx card youre looking at upwards of 300 "cores" and more. It boils down to different architecture and marketing of course. The 540 is a capable mobile gpu. Nobody is quite sure how it handles higher resolutions though. Lots of cpus/gpus have quoted specs saying it can handle this and that but when you push the theoretical limits performance goes south quickly. And the 543mp2 is overkill currently. Probably a major factor of why the iphone 4s is getting ****ty battery life. Who wants to brag about how ****ty the battery life of their phone is though? These days 4 hours of display time and using your phone all day is good.
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The Galaxy Nexus is dual core.....

ssconceptz said:
The Galaxy Nexus is dual core.....
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well whatever u do don't read what we're actually talking about... not the CPU...the GPU
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The Galaxy Nexus is dual core.....
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Dual cpu. Single core gpu.
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It's not really correct to call the GPU "single core". A GPU is a parallel processing unit, what matters is the number of pixel pipelines, the number of shader units, the number of ROPs, etc. In fact, performance should scale better using a GPU that has 8 shader units on a single physical core than a GPU that has 4 shader units each on two physical cores. The only good reason to spread GPU processing units across multiple physical cores is ease of manufacturing. Usually you would expect the next generation of GPUs like this to merge the physical cores into a single physical core with the same total number of compute units.
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the more cores doesnt really mean better......I know its a different architecture but a quadcore i7 out performs a hexacore AMD bulldozers....
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CoNsPiRiSiZe said:
Exaclty. I can't believe how many of my friends (iPoop users) have asked me "is that phone dual core?" Because of the iPoop 4S boasting better proccessor, then they say hmm that must make a phone powerful!
I do have somethings against Apple but still without that people always want MP and now Cores. :\
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Exactly. Cores doesnt double performance when you move up to 2 and quadruple when you move to 4. A 300hp wont necessarily outperform a car with 200hp either.
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We are talking about GPUs here. GPUs solve what is called an "embarrassingly parallel" problem. Here, twice the number of cores usually does mean twice the performance.

There are no mobile games in existence that really make me care about my phone's GPU and I highly doubt there will be in the next coming year or two. I doubt my phone will ever draw my away from my PC or gaming platform at home and when I'm away the most hardware intensive game I play is Plants vs Zombies, Fruit Ninja, or Words With Friends. And that's only after I've looked all over the internets for something else to do other than game.
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question.. how would you expect the higher clocked PowerVR SGX 540 perform vs the galaxy s 2?

Well it doesn't seem to matter galaxy s and nexus has same gpu at lower speed an I haven't seen game it can't handle an then add 1 gb of ram with better CPU ur all good
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If you look at droidgamer, you'll find lots of crazy high end games are on the horizon. Most take advantage of the Tegras which currently are beasts. The G2x by LG is such beast. Tegra 2 powerhouse. Easily bests any game made today and in the future.
Tegra 3s are due out around the first part of next year but probably nothing subsidized in the US till next Christmas or early 2013.
Even still games are made to run well on popular hardware of today. Adding more power is currently overkill and only adds bonus eyecandy. I expect upcoming games to be playable on any high end phone, Nexus included.
Plus ifones are late to the dualcore game. While the GPU is nice, no ifone user will know about anything past the words they are regurgitating.
I am concerned about going from a powerful G2x to a GN. I'm getting mine through work to save on a personal cell bill, but I hope everything is at least moving in the right direction.
I'd trade my 8mp for a 5mp with an instant shutter because I have a kid I snap at all the time. Games are luxory but I do have a tegra 2 Transformer that I do most of my gaming on (outside passive games).
G2x - 2.3.7 CM7
Transformer - 3.2 Revolver OC/UV

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does the iphone4S have dual core GPU?? really?
i tought it only had a dualcore CPU....
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The problem with all the core nonsense for GPU's is the lack of a unified architecture. What we're comparing is similar to what we did before the Geforce8 and Radeon3000 series, in that there are individual pixel and vertex shaders. Its completely BS to call either of them "cores" if we use the same word for CPU cores. By that regard, my ATI 5850 has 1440 "cores", which makes any quad core processor seem crap, no?
As pointed out, GPU's are still in their infancy in the mobile world - hence the lack of a unified architecture *but* ARM is bringing one in their next gen Mali GPU so we should finally start to go towards a more reasonable comparison of GPU's soon. But for now, its best to ignore what "cores" a GPU has but look at the number of Pixel shaders, vertex shaders and ROP units (render output units). Essentially, PowerVR is aiming for a even balance between pixel:vertex shaders (hence why the MP2 has 8 of each) whilst Nvidia think that the major limiting factor is the pixel shaders, rather than doing complex geometry via vertex shaders, and that's why they push for a 8:4 / 12:4 ratio. Whether that's a smart idea or whether it will limit Tegra vs PowerVR, it's hard to tell yet. That being said, expect a massive change when we jump to the unified architecture of Tegra4/new Mali/new Adreno. Until then, take the "cores" with a grain of salt. The only legitimate use of the word core is with the PowerVR SGX543MP2/ MP4 where the 2 and the 4 are representative of 2 and 4 complete SGX543 GPU's stuck together, but each of these are clocked lower than an individual core, presumably for heat/power issues. And also remember, just like in the desktop world, drivers make a world of difference when looking at performance in games. It's pretty hard to see who's better at that yet either, but Nvidia might hold a better hand with their experience from the desktop/laptop market. This is probably the best time if you like observing massive evolutions in graphics tech, but its a crappy time for consumers since the next best thing comes very very quickly.
Edit: For anyone who's interested, Anand had a great write up comparing the architectures here. Some quotes to justify:
The Mali-400 isn't a unified shader architecture, it has discrete execution hardware for vertex and fragment (pixel) processing. ARM calls the Mali-400 a multicore GPU with configurations available with 1 - 4 cores. When ARM refers to a core however it's talking about a fragment (pixel shader) processor, not an entire GPU core. This is somewhat similar to NVIDIA's approach with Tegra 2, although NVIDIA counts each vertex and fragment processor as an individual core.
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Ask the iPhone pukes if they have something that matters. Good call quality and 4g
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One X vs. One S. Performance and dev

Getting a new phone as I ran over my Razr with my landcruiser 40..
Live in Norway so I would be getting the EU version of the X with tegra 3.
But looking at the benchmarks of the us version (dual core) of the X, it is clearly very fast. Wondering if we would get similar performance out of the S? And would it be as "xda friendly" as I suspect the X will become?
Money is not the issue, just not sure if I would be comfortable with such a large phone.. (well, the Razr had bezels from hell, so it was very wide)

buljo said:
Getting a new phone as I ran over my Razr with my landcruiser 40..
Live in Norway so I would be getting the EU version of the X with tegra 3.
But looking at the benchmarks of the us version (dual core) of the X, it is clearly very fast. Wondering if we would get similar performance out of the S? And would it be as "xda friendly" as I suspect the X will become?
Money is not the issue, just not sure if I would be comfortable with such a large phone.. (well, the Razr had bezels from hell, so it was very wide)
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One S Krait is fast for single app and for 2 apps, but clearly Tegra 3 outperforms Krait in multi-app and gaming performance. So i would say Tegra3 is more future than dualcore krait.
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HTC one s
i m a lucky guy with already an HTC One S. I did the same benchmark than the ones published for the HTC One XL and I ve got the same results.

Rastasia said:
i m a lucky guy with already an HTC One S. I did the same benchmark than the ones published for the HTC One XL and I ve got the same results.
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Proof please of phone ownership.
It doesn't make any sense for HTC to release their flagship with a less powerful processor than their "mid-range" phone.
It wouldn't be the first time a mobile phone company forgot about what makes sense, but it's not like the HTC one X is going to be underpowered, regardless.
I really don't like the look of the pentile screens, which was the main deciding factor for the One X for me.
From the comments on that benchmark blog post it seems the tests are unrealistic; the scores for the alternatives are artificially low (iirc)

One S at its native QHD res vs One X at its native HD res, they trade blows and almost equal, the One X will show its muscles in quad optimised apps only
as for One X vs One XL = One X is better since T3 is better than dual s4 @ 720p

qpop said:
Proof please of phone ownership.
It doesn't make any sense for HTC to release their flagship with a less powerful processor than their "mid-range" phone.
It wouldn't be the first time a mobile phone company forgot about what makes sense, but it's not like the HTC one X is going to be underpowered, regardless.
I really don't like the look of the pentile screens, which was the main deciding factor for the One X for me.
From the comments on that benchmark blog post it seems the tests are unrealistic; the scores for the alternatives are artificially low (iirc)
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It doesn't makes sense, but they have crippled the one s with the pentile screen and low storage.
The s4 chip in the one s is a generation ahead of anything else until the arm A15 chips arrive. Qualcomm krait is supposed to be much closer to a15 spec than the A9 in tegra 3.

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/7026471425/
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congrats on your sexy beast mate, i love the One S
but these benchs are nothing new, Velloma is a not heavily multi-threaded Qualcomm test
excellent Device, what color did you get?

Thé blue/grey one. Do u want me to test on an other benchmark?
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Rastasia said:
Thé blue/grey one. Do u want me to test on an other benchmark?
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best color mate! i bet its gorgeous
yes try Antutu https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.antutu.ABenchMark&feature=search_result
and GL benchmark offscreen 720p tests https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.glbenchmark.glbenchmark21&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5nbGJlbmNobWFyay5nbGJlbmNobWFyazIxIl0.

congrats on having the new device..
may i ask why did u got it so fast... ?!?!

fi3ry_icy said:
congrats on having the new device..
may i ask why did u got it so fast... ?!?!
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it s a test device from a provider
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hamdir said:
best color mate! i bet its gorgeous
yes try Antutu https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.antutu.ABenchMark&feature=search_result
and GL benchmark offscreen 720p tests https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.glbenchmark.glbenchmark21&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5nbGJlbmNobWFyay5nbGJlbmNobWFyazIxIl0.
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can t get your second benchmark but here s your first request
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/7026577361/

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it s a test device from a provider
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can t get your second benchmark but here s your first request
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/7026577361/
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thanks you just confirmed my point of view, Antutu shows off the quads a lot better than a qualcomm test
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HTC ONE X is a wat better with Tegra
hamdir said:
thanks you just confirmed my point of view, Antutu shows off the quads a lot better than a qualcomm test
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This is proof
source
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmWRaaAteZg

those who haven't checked Anandtechs' review of the iPad3 i suggest you do, its full of juicy information
having settled all this info in my mind, it's quit easy to draw a clear picture
the Tegra3 is a chip-set that jumped most competitors with such an early entry to quad mobile CPUs, the only other quad in the market is the PS Vita's SOC (Sony CXD5315 build by Toshiba), both quad A9, early worries about memory bandwith/L2 cache are unfounded simply because ARM A9's memory controller can't keep up with more
Snapdragon 4 introduced dual memory channel, major optimization and performance per core, however its advantage is offset by the lack of cores, its a good design for quad but right now its excellent cores will still be stalled by multi-tasking and it's amazing memory bandwidth will go to waste
Right now Tegra3 is still the best Mobile CPU you can have, better than the A5x and dual S4, however the major let down of the Tegra 3 is it's GPU
Nvidia claimed 12 cores GPU on the T3 but that's simply the number of SIMDs and not physical cores, ARM also names its SIMDs as core, but this only confuses customers, Nvidia will use this naming scheme to counter Apple claims, like Asus already responded on twitter
ARM SGX543 MP series has physical core scaling, but its only 8 SIMDs per Core, vs 12 on the Tegra 3, 8 on Adreno225 and 5 on Mali-400, the A5 has 2 cores and hence 16 SIMDs while the A5x has 4 cores and hence 32 SIMDs
In reality the Tegra3 GPU falls a little short of the iPad 2 GPU, while it beats Mali-400 and Adreno225 in most situations but not all areas, Nvidia extracted all they can from this GPU by some aggressive drivers optimization and hacks, this is how they achieved their 3x Tegra2 claim i.e: its already optimized don't expect much room here
Nvidia's GPU is really disappointing but not a disaster, it just doesn't hold a lot of overhead, right now its still the fastest GPU for android and has the quad to back it up once an app is T3 optimized, the quads can add console quality gameplay additions like ragdoll, physics and particles but might not improve FPS (this will require an engine written from grounds up for multi core and i doubt devs will be inclined)
The iPad3 GPU is massively powerful, a testament to the PS Vita's GPU, however unlike the Vita its power is wasted on those pixels and hence games will benefit from it but not the 2x jump from current iPad2/iPhone4s games, like infinity blade 2 shows, it only managed a 1.4x resolution increase without loosing frame rate, so yes most 3D games on the iPad3 will not be retina boosted, why do i keep bringing up iPad? because iOS is still the leader when it comes to mobile gaming and most games we get on Android are ports, the future of iOS games will draw the future of Android games
All this makes me conclude the following
Android's main appeal is still the OS, what you can do with it and multi tasking, which translates into the main appeal for Tegra3, its ridiculous to even think quad cores can not benefit such a heavily multi-threaded OS
Android is still not the best platform for gaming but wether we like it or not, it's best grounds for gaming is Tegrazone simply because we have Nvidia pushing/bribing developers in this direction
If you are buying an Android device right now the best you can do is Nvidia Tegra3 but damn you Nvidia for not being more generous
its been the case for ages, asymmetry between CPU and GPU power, xbox360 had a more power GPU against its CPU, PS3 had the CPU against its GPU, Apple A5x has its GPU against last year CPU, the only SOC that satisfies both angles is PS Vita with its quad CPU and quad GPU but that's because Sony has to worry about the product life cycle which is over 4 years
so you can see Tegra3 has the CPU against its GPU, its not really breaking the norms in here, its business as usual

went for the S.
well, just posted in the S forums..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=24454178#post24454178
ended up with the one S instead of the X. the feel of the phones did it for me.

The One S beats the One X ?!

Hey guys, i was shocked when i saw that the benchmarks of the One X showed a slightly worse performance than the One S even though the One X is the one with the Tegra 3 quad-core processor. Is this because the ice cream sandwich is optimized for dual core processors which doesn't show the real power of quad-core? , or is the dual-core Snapdragon S4 better than the quad-core Tegra 3 in the One X?
Here's the engadget review that showed the benchmarks i'm talking about:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/02/htc-one-x-review/
And here's a video comparison between the one X and the one S:

The cpu in the One S is better than the tegra 3, all that lets the one s down is its only qhd resolution or I would have had one myself.

Same here, however I am curious why HTC went with Tegra 3 in the first place.

I just found this comparison between the Snapdragon S4 Krait and NVIDIA Tegra 3.
http://briefmobile.com/htc-one-x-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidia-tegra-3-comparison

I have used the Tegra 3 extensively in the asus transformer prime. Overall I would rate its actual performance better than the qualcomm processors in many areas. Though the qualcomm processor may show higher benchmarks, the tegra 3 will multitask better in reality. You also have to keep in mind that device is running a lower resolution than the one x, so obviously the benchmarks would be better... the gpu wouldnt have to work as hard.. make sense?
Heres the resolution information on the one x and one s
1280 x 720 HD (312ppi) < One X
960 x 540 qHD (256ppi)< One S

But I don't see why we need the tegra3 in a phone what kinda multi tasking are they performing on a phone it makes sense in tablet especially one as advanced as the transformer prime. But why isn't a dual core enough for a phone
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The Tegra 3 IS faster than S4.
It's just that application aren't optimized for quad core processors yet.

I know both will have excellent performance, now and in the future. What I want is the screen and the 32GB of the One X. But I also want the battery performance of the One S. Damn. :-\ But with updates I hope HTC can get more of the One X potensial out, performance and battery!!!

420kushking said:
I have used the Tegra 3 extensively in the asus transformer prime. Overall I would rate its actual performance better than the qualcomm processors in many areas. Though the qualcomm processor may show higher benchmarks, the tegra 3 will multitask better in reality. You also have to keep in mind that device is running a lower resolution than the one x, so obviously the benchmarks would be better... the gpu wouldnt have to work as hard.. make sense?
Heres the resolution information on the one x and one s
1280 x 720 HD (312ppi) < One X
960 x 540 qHD (256ppi)< One S
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The Tegra 3 IS faster than S4.
It's just that application aren't optimized for quad core processors yet.
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I think the GPU is on par, what I mean is that GLBenchmark the Tegra 3 result for the two 720p benchmark is 65fps and 88fps and Adreno 225 is 58fps and 102fps.
But on Nenamark 2, Adreno 225 on a 720p screen beats the Tegra 3 on a 720p (54fps vs 48fps).
The CPU is better on the Krait since its architecture is more advance than Tegra's A9. I'd prefer having the Krait CPU in the One X if I could choose. The Krait is easily gonna make the phone a lot smoother since it only has to scale through 'two' CPU's plus the CPU's are faster than Tegra A9's and Tegra 3 needs to scale 4 CPU to be on par with Kraits dual core which can be battery hungry and kill battery life faster where as Krait is built on 28nm which the heat and power is a lot lower.
Of course resolution is also related but if you go and look at Sprints HTC One X version which packs a Dual Core Kraits, it performs a lot smoother or the HTC One XL.

There are couple of thread here that discuss about this please read them ...

mzaza said:
The Tegra 3 IS faster than S4.
It's just that application aren't optimized for quad core processors yet.
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No it's certainly isn't. The S4 runs circles around tegra 3 are you kidding me? The whole fuss about tegra 3 is that it has 4 cores. The S4 gives you 2 cores based on a new architecture that gives you better performance. You don't know what you're talking about.

Both is good. There are areas both will outshine the other. In real life, both is excellent.

Just throwing my two cents....
.....Even my Motorola RAZR is better than the One X at this stage, really, I've ran some benchmarks with a custom kernel on it and the RAZR has beaten the One X without any problem on tasks that aren't CPU intensive.
OMAP4430 is a good chip, with A LOT of multimedia-oriented things in it, like IVA and the SGX530. Ducati does a good job.
Still, remember that Tegra3 is a "Multimedia SoC" with +2 cores and that will make it to score better on CPU intensive tasks even if the device using it is running a not well optimized / bad kernel.
The kernel that is running on the HTC One X is a first release and, while Motorola on their devices makes the kernel to generate stacktraces and faults here and there but still being optimal on performance, HTC prefers not to, giving a bad behavior on performance.
This is good for us developers because they allow us to directly work on clean and stable software, without having to debug various fails by them, so that we can give it the performance it deserves.
It's only a matter of time.
We're waiting for the kernel source to come out.
The EternityProject Team Manager & Main Developer,
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[Q] HOX beats S3?

i really wanna know:
i got 1,5 ghz processor + Graphic Card (4+1)
i got design
i got beats
i got sense
S3 got:
1,4 ghz processor
Amoled...
Touchwiz
Battery ( 2200 mAh) with low energy usage Cpu
İ see benchmark points pass the S3 when JB comes
5 min ago i installed geekbench 2
my phone get 1300 benchmark points (power saving off) but s3 got 1700 -.-
its one of most important thing for me: HAVE BETTER PROCESSOR THEN S3
can anyone explain to me HOX have better cpu or not?
and what about iphone 5? is it beat hox too? with dual core??

This thread will be closed.
The HOX and S3 are basically on a par with each other. However the S3 just edges out the HOX for a few different reasons. First, most software needs further optimising for Tegra devices and secondly because the S3 doesn't have the S-On/S-Off problem.
It's worth noting that the HOX is closer in terms of following Google's phone design guidelines (no menu button) and also that the screen is better.

The Tegra3 version of HOX has a slower CPU than it's dual core version.
It's like comparing a Q8200 with a E8600 and then run dual core optimized programs.

Hmmm thx for explain
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Bassicaly there isnt much of a big difference.. Exynos is a bit faster(effective)than tegra 3.. So s3 has worse screen while htc has better.. S3 has amoled display while htc has only lcd display.. But they r kinda same.. Used both phone sense is good but still wud go for touchwiz.. Lack of toggles in notification menu rly bugs me.. (There r no official htc toggles there r just play stores one)..It is just my opinion
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I have the One X but I think the S3 is better overall
The S3 has a faster processor, smoother gaming and UI, better quality camera, touchwiz features (pop up play, multi-window, smart rotation) and most importantly a great XDA thread
However the HOX does have a much better (& sturdier) design, better screen, THD games support, Beats audio

Headless_monkeyhunta96 said:
I have the One X but I think the S3 is better overall
The S3 has a faster processor, smoother gaming and UI, better quality camera, touchwiz features (pop up play, multi-window, smart rotation) and most importantly a great XDA thread
However the HOX does have a much better (& sturdier) design, better screen, THD games support, Beats audio
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Regarding to beats.. Ok so when the driver is on the sound is just amazing it blows any other phone when it comes to that..But,but,but i think that they demolished sound when u play music without beats drivers just so u can say that the difference is sooo big.. And it is a good marketing trick gotta admit that.
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The amount of stupidity in this thread is unbelievable...
The S3 beats the Tegra 3 even though it has a slightly slower clock speed for a few reasons, mainly because the Exynos chip in the S3 is a 32nm chip as compared to the Tegra 3's 40nm process, so the Exynos is somewhat more efficient due to the smaller process. Also, blame Nvidia for crappy software optimisation. Furthermore, the Mali 400 chip in the S3 is far more powerful than the puny Tegra 3 ULP Geforce chip. Don't say more cores = more power, that is not true. Besides, the S4 in the HOXL is more powerful than the Tegra 3 because the S4 has the Cortex A15 architecture which gives about 40% more processing power per core against the Cortex A9. The comparison of a dual core CPU and a quad core CPU using a dual core optimised software I saw somewhere above in this thread means nothing in ARM terms. The Cortex A9 (for example Tegra 3) uses all 4 cores and loses against the Snapdragon S4, say the MSM8960 which the HOXL has.
All other discussions about S3 and HOX w.r.t. features (touchwiz is a feature?!) should be reserved for other threads.
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pandaball said:
The amount of stupidity in this thread is unbelievable...
The S3 beats the Tegra 3 even though it has a slightly slower clock speed for a few reasons, mainly because the Exynos chip in the S3 is a 32nm chip as compared to the Tegra 3's 40nm process, so the Exynos is somewhat more efficient due to the smaller process. Also, blame Nvidia for crappy software optimisation. Furthermore, the Mali 400 chip in the S3 is far more powerful than the puny Tegra 3 ULP Geforce chip. Don't say more cores = more power, that is not true. Besides, the S4 in the HOXL is more powerful than the Tegra 3 because the S4 has the Cortex A15 architecture which gives about 40% more processing power per core against the Cortex A9. The comparison of a dual core CPU and a quad core CPU using a dual core optimised software I saw somewhere above in this thread means nothing in ARM terms. The Cortex A9 (for example Tegra 3) uses all 4 cores and loses against the Snapdragon S4, say the MSM8960 which the HOXL has.
All other discussions about S3 and HOX w.r.t. features (touchwiz is a feature?!) should be reserved for other threads.
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The amount of stupidity in this is ridiculous.
Snapdragon S4 doesn't use Cortex A15, it uses Krait cores.
Furthermore, the S4 beats Tegra 3 because at the time benchmark reviews came out, most of them were optimized for dual core, the T3 beats S4 in terms of raw power, of course software will do its part.
Mali-400 doesn't really beat the GeForce. Its running in 16 bit mode, and its vertex limited. Sure it has a good fillrate, but it cannot rim vertex heavy games.
GeForce ULP runs in 32 bit, and is pixel limited, which basically means its a draw, but when you factor in THD games, GeForce wins.
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XxVcVxX said:
The amount of stupidity in this is ridiculous.
Snapdragon S4 doesn't use Cortex A15, it uses Krait cores.
Furthermore, the S4 beats Tegra 3 because at the time benchmark reviews came out, most of them were optimized for dual core, the T3 beats S4 in terms of raw power, of course software will do its part.
Mali-400 doesn't really beat the GeForce. Its running in 16 bit mode, and its vertex limited. Sure it has a good fillrate, but it cannot rim vertex heavy games.
GeForce ULP runs in 32 bit, and is pixel limited, which basically means its a draw, but when you factor in THD games, GeForce wins.
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I facepalmed. Especially at the very first statement. What architecture does Krait use, I wonder.
As for S4 not beating Tegra, S4 came out *after* Tegra 3. You'd think benchmarks would be optimised for quad cores before they became optimised for Cortex A15.
As for the last one, you forgot that ULP Geforce is not superscalar. The GPU cores have to wait for the first instruction to complete before the next one can process, making the process slow as hell. Mali is far more powerful than Tegra (just look at benchmarks), because the GPU cores are far beefier than the Tegra GPU cores, and also because ULP Geforce is based on Fermi cores which are a bit old and slow at this point.
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pandaball said:
I facepalmed. Especially at the very first statement.
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Read on Wikipedia more. Krait isn't Cortex A15.
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XxVcVxX said:
Read on Wikipedia more. Krait isn't Cortex A15.
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Its A15 plus Qualcomm enhancements...
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Krait is a custom architecture made by Qualcomm. Its similar to A15, but its not A15, and performance sits between A9 and A15, bit its more power efficient than A15.
Its like Scorpion, where the performance was between A8 and A9.
As for GeForce ULP running with Fermi, you're wrong. Its definitely not Fermi since it still has seperate vertex and pixel cores, so its even before GT200.
Mali-400 is old, and its not beefier than GeForce. Samsung made it up to par by overclocking extensively and forcing 16 bit rendering on the thing. It ****s on GeForce on pixel fill rate, but GeForce ****s on it on vertex output, so its kinda a draw.
Most games run smoother on Mali because most applications on Play Store is optimized for the biggest phone company : Samsung. You can see how Gameloft downright ignored Tegra.
EDIT: The ULP is using NV47
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XxVcVxX said:
Krait is a custom architecture made by Qualcomm. Its similar to A15, but its not A15, and performance sits between A9 and A15, bit its more power efficient than A15.
Its like Scorpion, where the performance was between A8 and A9.
As for GeForce ULP running with Fermi, you're wrong. Its definitely not Fermi since it still has seperate vertex and pixel cores, so its even before GT200.
Mali-400 is old, and its not beefier than GeForce. Samsung made it up to par by overclocking extensively and forcing 16 bit rendering on the thing. It ****s on GeForce on pixel fill rate, but GeForce ****s on it on vertex output, so its kinda a draw.
Most games run smoother on Mali because most applications on Play Store is optimized for the biggest phone company : Samsung. You can see how Gameloft downright ignored Tegra.
EDIT: The ULP is using NV47
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To use slightly crude terms, Qualcomm licensed A15 from ARM, then beat it with sticks until it became more optimised. Qualcomm has a slightly different license from ARM which allows them to take the design by ARM, beat it into shape then sell it.
As for Fermi in Tegra, I was mistaken. I didn't refer to anything, and my offhand memory sucks.
For Mali vs Tegra, refer to this: http://m.gsmarena.com/snapdragon_s4_pro_benchmarked_crushes_older_chipsets-news-4563.php. Look at the benchmark list, particularly GLbenchmark offscreen since its the most relevant.
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pandaball said:
To use slightly crude terms, Qualcomm licensed A15 from ARM, then beat it with sticks until it became more optimised. Qualcomm has a slightly different license from ARM which allows them to take the design by ARM, beat it into shape then sell it.
As for Fermi in Tegra, I was mistaken. I didn't refer to anything, and my offhand memory sucks.
For Mali vs Tegra, refer to this: http://m.gsmarena.com/snapdragon_s4_pro_benchmarked_crushes_older_chipsets-news-4563.php. Look at the benchmark list, particularly GLbenchmark offscreen since its the most relevant.
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Its offscreen test, as I have stated before, GeForce is pixel limited, at HD resolutions, it becomes less than Mali, however remember Mali is running at 16 bit.
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XxVcVxX is right.. we have discuss about this in hamdir thread for a long time and if s3 is running 32bit like us.. it just the same as ours..
BTW.. both phone have pros and cons.. so just choose any we,you,he or her like..

XxVcVxX said:
Its offscreen test, as I have stated before, GeForce is pixel limited, at HD resolutions, it becomes less than Mali, however remember Mali is running at 16 bit.
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In offscreen 720p, Mali still (overall) eats Tegra, although what you said is correct, which makes me wrong. Therefore, I accept defeat and bestow my RD status to you
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pandaball said:
In offscreen 720p, Mali still (overall) eats Tegra, although what you said is correct, which makes me wrong. Therefore, I accept defeat and bestow my RD status to you
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Lol wut.
I accept this honor, and I thank my friends and family for supporting me, and most of all, I thank pandaball for arguing with me XDXD
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XxVcVxX said:
Lol wut.
I accept this honor, and I thank my friends and family for supporting me, and most of all, I thank pandaball for arguing with me XDXD
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But seriously, thanks. I learnt something, although losing to a stranger in an argument online on my birthday is totally the best way to start my year
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pandaball said:
But seriously, thanks. I learnt something, although losing to a stranger in an argument online on my birthday is totally the best way to start my year
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Hell, if I knew you were RD I wouldn't be so aggressive xD
Damned mobile app.
Happy Birthday
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