I have never been so confused about a phone release before. I picked up a 710 last month for $220 (after a rebate) at Rogers outright. Once I heard about the 900, I was pretty sure it would end up being the phone that brought Microsoft to today's age with fancier processors, etc, but instead I found almost the exact specs. 8gb isn't much, and I barely use the camera, so what else is worth the $400 more? The media has been treating this like a revolutionary device like the galaxy s2, yet everything I have found just baffles me more. I like my 710 enough, the body looks better to me (just my opinion), it runs perfect, I see absolutely no reason to upgrade. Even if I didn't own this phone, why would anybody buy the 900 over the 710 unless they really like the design or better camera?
I am not dissing the 900, I just do not understand the point of releasing such a similar phone for so much more money.
All Windows phone specs are controlled by Microsoft, so all phones are almost similar. Differences you will see may be some have front facing cameras, more storage, build quality differences and stuff like that. It's not like android where you see huge difference in specs and performance between lower and higher end phones.
It's good or bad is based on personal opinion and we will know over time if Microsoft made the right decision.
Performance wise, windows phone are pretty much all similar.
But the Lumia 900 is being marketed like crazy in the USA through ATT. I am sure Microsoft is outright giving Nokia hundreds of millions to push this widows phone to the masses.
Microsoft knows how important it is to gain market share. Right now it's a 2 horse race between Apple iOS and Android, with RIM fading fast.
In terms of devices, I would like to compare the Lumia 710/900 to a V6 Toyota Camry/Lexus ES 350. Basically identical cars. But the Lexus gets a little bit fresh touches of luxury (like the Lumia 900 one body design) and of course LTE chip for those in ATT LTE areas.
aneftp said:
Performance wise, windows phone are pretty much all similar.
But the Lumia 900 is being marketed like crazy in the USA through ATT. I am sure Microsoft is outright giving Nokia hundreds of millions to push this widows phone to the masses.
Microsoft knows how important it is to gain market share. Right now it's a 2 horse race between Apple iOS and Android, with RIM fading fast.
In terms of devices, I would like to compare the Lumia 710/900 to a V6 Toyota Camry/Lexus ES 330. Basically identical cars. But the Lexus gets a little bit fresh touches of luxury (like the Lumia 900 one body design) and of course LTE chip for those in ATT LTE areas.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thats not a bad comparison, especially since you can look at the lexus windshield and see the Toyota tag on the glass...
But...and I have both phones so I see first hand, the 710 has 8 gigs of storage, the 900 has 16. the 710 is 3.6(?) in width, the 900 is 4.3. Both are fast, especially in comparison to my previous phone, the Motorola Bionic.
The 900 has a couple of more software features not contained on the 710.
But you are correct, the basic processing power and basic design specs are very similar.
Don't forget the screen!
I'm pretty sure the Lumia 710 is LCD, vs the 900's clearblack AMOLED.
The 900 is puuuuuuuuuurty and in the US, free through April 21st. The front facing cam, screen and extra 8GB are the biggest upshots over the 710, with look being subjective.
Yeah...so with those things the others mentioned...you have a phone different enough to attract an entire different line of people...IMO....of course there are people that put a porche and a tank in the same class....
This is what I was expecting but in a more pessimistic way. The 900 makes more sense the more I read about it, and Microsoft's plan makes more sense too.
Thanks for your replies.
Lumia 710 vs Lumia 900 - Differences
- Basic/Youthful Design vs Luxury/Sophisticated design
- Hardware buttons vs Capacitive buttons
- LCD screen vs AMOLED screen
- 8GB storage vs 16GB storage
- 3.7" screen vs 4.3" screen
- 1300mAh battery vs 1830mAh battery
- Removable battery vs non-removable battery
- 5mp camera vs 8mp camera with Carl Ziess optics
- No front camera vs Front camera (video calling)
- £129 SIM-free (limited time, std £279) vs £499 SIM-free [expansys]
- Available free on cheaper contracts vs unavailable/chargable handset on cheaper contracts.
Other than these differences, the handsets are pretty much the same, they both run Windows Phone 7.5 (which is the same on every WP handset), both feature exclusive Nokia apps such as Nokia Drive and Nokia Music etc, Corning Gorilla Glass is standard on both handsets, Nokia Clearblack polarizers are fitted to both handsets etc...
For me the 710 was the obvious option over the 800/900 for a few reasons;
1. it has hardware buttons - capacitive buttons located right below the touchscreen make no sense - even in a review of the 800 I saw, the reviewer seemed to think Bing search had crashed - it hadn't, he had instead accidentally hit the home button. On the 710, you do not suffer this issue because you have to physically press the buttons. This to me, makes perfect sense, others I know prefer the smooth design of the 800/900, and some simply prefer capacitive buttons.
2. On the design front, well the 710 looks less elegant than the 800/900, but it's still a wonderful design, quite trendy looking (the white handset even looks sporty to me), and it felt nicer in my hand than the 800. If anything, I tend to avoid all these "student" phones (iPhone and 800/900) because I am not a media/fashion slave; I like to be a bit different (hence liking WP lol) and put practicality and value over design.
3. Above all else, the 800 was £350+ without a contract, and the 710 is readily available for sub-£200 without a contract. Indeed, mine cost just £129 without a contract. As I have a "sim-only" contract, and pay effectively (after rebate) just £5 per month for 600 mins, ulimited text and unlimited data, I wasn't prepared to sign-up to a £30+ per month contract, just to get my hands on an 800 with the same contract. The cost situation I realise, may be different in the US right now. We also don't have the 900 here yet, but that will likely command even higher prices than the 800.
4. Otherwise, the hardware difference don't worry me too much, I have come from a 4GB TouchPro2 running WinMo, so the 8GB storage isnt an issue. The camera is better than the TP2 for shots, and of course the 710 does 720p HD whereas the TP2 can only manage VGA. I have a Fuji bridge camera for proper shots lol. The removable battery I see personally, as a bonus, though I would like a higher spec one. The screen type has no preference for me, coming from the TP2, it is like a whole new world with the Nokia display anyway. As both handsets feature clearblack technology and gorilla glass, again there was no benefit between the 800 and 710. Screensize (if I were looking at the 900) isnt much of an issue for me personally, though I can understand why some people prefer larger than 4" screens.
I could go on, but I won't. Either way, I'm sure you will LOVE whichever handset you go for, it all boils down to personal preference, and economics. Nokia and Microsoft have bought some incredible phones to the party!! The 900 is a hero phone, and rightly so, the 710 is still an awesome phone, just a bit more mainstream and perhaps suited to the mass-market better.
I don't understand the confusion. The Nokia Lumia 900 is far better than my Nokia Lumia 710. Believe me I had both in my hands !
The 900 has way better screen (and larger), the battery lasts way longer, the sound quality is better and the location of the speaker is better (at the bottom not the back), and it has Internet HotSpot ready to go.
Related
Am I the only one who feels the launch hardware is pretty mediocre compared to what is currently available for Android phones?
Almost all of the phones are using slower versions of the 1GHz Snapdragon, even Samsung is not using their Hummingbird processors.
I believe only one of the launch phones will include a front facing camera for video conferencing.
Then consider that same models won't be launched until late 2010 / early 2011, I don't believe this is a good start for WP7.
The software looks great though. Can't wait to see if it can be ported to my Nexus One!
I guess so when compared to the higher end Android smartphones, but WP7 has a small footprint. It doesn't require a lot to the same as Android and Iphone. If you can do the same with less, why add more?
Also Android fragmentation doesn't help this situation either. YOu may get a phone with a 1.5ghz processor, but because there are phone that have 528mhz processors there won't be any apps that fully utilize the hardware.
Mediocre launch hardware? You must be kidding. Let's recall Android's launch hardware. Also, you can't just look at raw specs, drivers and services play a huge role in real life. Galaxy S is the current spec champion, but I can bet that any single WP7 device will wipe the floor with it in terms of performance and stability.
And don't forget that you can buy pretty much any of these phones, they'll all be blazing fast. So if you need a gimmick like the front camera - go for it. The OEM just has no chance to screw up the phone in other areas.
And of course the manufacturers are holding back on the hardware in the first run of phones. They meet Microsofts minimum demands now and can put "new" hardware into models that they will release in spring. All companies are in it for the money and they would sell less phones if they put in the latest technology in the first models, ending up with higher costs for them and higher cost for the customer. And also risking having nothing new to come with for the coming months.
sometimes we assume too much.
The current HD2 FAILED to impress me with what was supposed to be a flagship package and op tiered device. Why? it was sorely due to extremely poor implementation of drivers and dlls of the stock ROM. But when flashed with cooked WM6.5 roms and tweaked extensively, HD2 is transformed into a speedy and smooth device.
So, IMO any lineup that sports 1GHz CPU should be relevant still at least for another 2 years and that's why WP7 debuted with those, they are optimized from the ground up to run on 1GHz processor and MS took a very long time to have it running as it is today....just wait for some shop demo units to arrive and try it out. seriously nothing beat the actual experience. I was lucky to try out a development unit in Seattle (a 600Mhz LG) two months ago and it changed my initial preception towards WP7. So a 1GHz device should be WP7 on drugs....and yes the footprints are small
Yeah maybe WinMo7 is tweaked for the current hardware and can do more with less but I'm still disapointed.
I got my HD in September last year, loved it, in December last year I got my HD2, the difference between the two was immence, perhaps that has spoilt me to the HD7 as I was expecting the same sort of spec/performance jump which there really isnt if the spec sheets are an indicator of performance..
But the point is, spec sheets aren't the only indicator of performance. You will see a performance boost compared to HD2 even with the same hardware inside. With HTC's crappy WM drivers it's easy.
vangrieg said:
But the point is, spec sheets aren't the only indicator of performance. You will see a performance boost compared to HD2 even with the same hardware inside. With HTC's crappy WM drivers it's easy.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Maybe, but why still a 5mp camera and no more storage?
Remember, it's the optics, not the # of MP that makes a good camera. My former Droid's 5MP camera was horrible compared to my even older Blackberry Storm's 3.2MP camera.
And do we think that HTC have changed the optics on the HD7, or do we all agree that its just a recycled HD2?
Not that it matters, the HD7 is o2 exclusive and the Mozart is an Orange exclusive so I cant get either this year...
Exactly. Megapixels matter when you print posters. For everything else 5MP is more than enough. Moreover, the more megapixels you cram into a sensor of the same size, the poorer the quality. Usually you need to increase physical sensor size to get better quality pictures, otherwise all you get is tons of noise in less-than-perfect lighting (i.e. 99% of the time), or artifacts due to extreme noise reduction.
Trig0r said:
And do we think that HTC have changed the optics on the HD7, or do we all agree that its just a recycled HD2?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It's not just optics, it also depends on the sensor. I don't know what they use in the new phones, but if they use the sensor recommended by MS it can only be an improvement. The megapixel count by itself doesn't reveal any information whatsoever about the camera quality.
You are flat out wrong. If you look at what was available at the time and the first Android phone then you will see that this WP7 launch is quite impressive.
The first Android phone was the HTC Dream, or the G1. This phone was released in Nov 2008.
3MP Camera no flash.
3.2" Screen
Wifi G
528MHz CPU
MiniUSB
There you go. These WP7 phones have similar hardware to the best phones on the market. It took a while before we started to see the likes of the Droid, then Nexus One, then Desire, then Droid X.
The only thing that people seem to complain about is the Apple-like restrictions. For me I love the hubs and the OS seems functional. I will take functional over fancy.
the spec is quite good, you cant expect a massive hardware leap when the hardware is already pushing limits. The one gripe i have is that all the uk handsets bar the lg (that looks so rubbish i wouldn't ever touch it) is th 8gb storage!!! really guys come on. though this will just give me an excuse to sell my fish tank and buy a new zune (also this will benefit my battery)
It is true drivers and optimization has a big role on the performance. BUT there is a big push on this being a gaming platform. How could the 8250 snapdragon, which has the Adreno 200 graphics even be fast enough. I have a Nexus one which is the same graphics, and the graphics are playble but no where near the performance of say the Adreno 205(Scorpion cpu) or the Hummingbird cpu. I really do hope i'm wrong but I dont think optimizations could do enough to make the Adreno 200 push out enough power.
Have you seen the game demos on Windows Phone 7? They made me forget what the chipset was. I'll take an efficient software implementation over bleeding edge hardware anyday because the software is immediately impacts the experience you have with a given device. I don't even notice the performance difference between a HTC EVO 4G and my Samsung Galaxy S Captivate in normal day to day use.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using XDA App
I agree that the launch hardware is quite mediocre, and seems to be mid-range Android hardware. There are a couple of interesting bits (Focus Super AMOLED screen, HTC's Dolby Surround Sound, LG's DLNA support), but they aren't really enough to cover for the fact that the storage options are half of other platforms (Android/iOS) or less, the processor is running a less battery-efficient CPU with a GPU 1/3 the speed of existing shipping devices (Desire, G2, iPhone 4), and most WP7 devices are missing new hardware peripherals such as front-facing cameras. It's really not a very competitive hardware response compared to what is already out on the market, and this is for a mobile OS that is emphasizing its ability as a gaming system.
People aren't really likely to notice the difference in CPU/GPU on a daily basis, but they'll certainly notice that they can only store half of the multimedia/game content they used to (and unlimited data plans are disappearing, so don't count on "cloud storage" to make up for the difference), they'll notice when their WP7 copy of Rage runs at half the framerate of their iOS buddies, and they'll notice peripherals that keep them from being able to use products (such as a front-facing camera, so that they can't video "Yahoo Messenger/Live Messenger" with their friends on Android devices or home systems).
I'm really hoping that MS actually got the hardware manufacturers attention, and that this was a first rushed pass to convert hardware. If that is the case, we should start seeing competitive "flagship" hardware trickle out over the next 3-4 months.
If this is all the hardware manufacturers were planning to do, then it's going to severely undermine the WP7 platform if we continue to get last year's hardware releases. Non-competitive hardware can hinder sales, which will slow app development, which may result in early calls that the platform has "failed" (and which will likely, ironically, result in manufacturers continuing to only commit second-rate hardware to the platform). That would be a really disappointing outcome for an OS platform that I think could genuinely be second-to-none with a few software updates.
I'm hoping the phones we have seen are a minimum spec reference from Microsoft and that the next batch will allow the OEM's to get a bit more creative.
I think many people are focusing on the camera bits for no reason. I don't mind the 5MP camera, I am not expecting DLSR quality out of a cell phone. And I agree on the part of the improved optics with a smaller sensor, resulting in better quality.
I have a Nexus One, I love it. But compared to the Galaxy phones, it is midrange hardware. Try running the Galaxy live wallpapers on Nexus One, it will grind to a halt. The Hummingbird chipset has greatly improved performance over Snapdragon.
What I don't understand is why WP7 isn't launched on top tier hardware. I know the hardware will improve over time, but why are vendors brining out dated WP7 hardware when they are releasing Android hardware that exceeds WP7 specs.
I don't think the comparison to the Android launch is appropriate. When Android was launched, there was really only one player - Apple. Pretty much any hardware you put out there would be better than a WM6 phone, except HD2. The expectations were not nearly as high, as no one expected Android to be the Apple killer.
People expect WP7 to be the Apple killer. But they are pushing out hardware that doesn't even compare to Android?
lol, well i made a dumb mistake, If we are to believe engadget then at least the HD7 is using the MSM8250. Which is different than the QSD8250 of the nexus one. The msm8250 does contain the newer adreno 205 gpu in it. So we will see a decent jump in graphics. Initial tests are around the power of the hummingbird gpu. Some tests it beats it at least. So thats some good news.
The Verge has what I believe to be the first review for this phone.
http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/3/2534861/nokia-lumia-800-review
Seems to show the same general anti-wp7 bias common amongst tech blogs but less so than most. Commendable enough, though how it didn't outscore the n9 I dont know.
z33dev33l said:
Seems to show the same general anti-wp7 bias common amongst tech blogs but less so than most. Commendable enough, though how it didn't outscore the n9 I dont know.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Wow, you really see evil everywhere. Anti-wp7 bias? And why should it outscore the N9 exactly? Using their comparison tool, it makes total sense the N9 scores higher. Not to mention you're complaining about a 0.1 difference.
And you call people haters...
http://www.theverge.com/products/compare/42/2593
z33dev33l said:
Seems to show the same general anti-wp7 bias common amongst tech blogs but less so than most. Commendable enough, though how it didn't outscore the n9 I dont know.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Please cite specific examples of anti-WP7 bias.
I think it is a pretty objective review. Where the 800 shines, without question, is in the distinctive case design:
The Lumia 800 / N9 design ethos is all about effortless simplicity for the user, but it's backed by a stupefying amount of calculation, modeling, and testing behind the scenes. What you see and feel in your hand is a seamless piece of soft-touch plastic, curved on all sides and gently tapering toward flattened-out top and bottom surfaces, fronted by a curved screen. It's natural and pleasant to the touch, with great ergonomics and weight balance — the diametric opposite of the cold and impersonal appearance of most modern technology. Being able to meld that aggressively minimalist monobody design with a fully functional smartphone is where Nokia's manufacturing chops really shine through.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Aside from a non-removable battery, it is probably the most attractive-looking phone I've ever seen.
The rest of the review does a commendable job of digging into the phone's strengths and weaknesses, and pulls no punches on areas where they feel Nokia/Microsoft could have done better (the unresponsive physical buttons, average camera performance, competitive but not stand-out WP7 hardware, and so on).
Someone looking for a good WP7 phone would do well to consider the 800. It's a shame it won't be in the US for several months.
Because despite astounding hardware, meego is pretty much completely unsupported, not as fluid as wp7, and pretty much completely unsupported. Not to mention it's about as aesthetically appealing as Symbian. If they're reviewing software at all then despite WP7's shortcomings it greatly supercedes meego.
RoboDad said:
Someone looking for a good WP7 phone would do well to consider the 800. It's a shame it won't be in the US for several months.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I would trade the possibility to buy a Lumnia 800 for the one to buy a Focus S
Peew971 said:
I would trade the possibility to buy a Lumnia 800 for the one to buy a Focus S
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
+1 on that. The Lumia 800 is nice, no doubt. But the Focus S is plain sexy.
z33dev33l said:
Because despite astounding hardware, meego is pretty much completely unsupported, not as fluid as wp7, and pretty much completely unsupported. Not to mention it's about as aesthetically appealing as Symbian. If they're reviewing software at all then despite WP7's shortcomings it greatly supercedes meego.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You can argue WP7 isn't the best supported OS either and the N9 gives you Front Facing camera, 4 times more storage, double the RAM, a bigger screen, NFC, pentaband, tethering, video out. Since you're not scoring potential, it seems fair that the N9 scores higher.
The 4 times more storage and FFC are considerable, the rest aren't really factors to the vast majority. What would a meego phone even do with all that ram? That said, the score differential is in the design element. There really is very little design difference unless an added dedicated camera button docked the score considerably.
z33dev33l said:
The 4 times more storage and FFC are considerable, the rest aren't really factors to the vast majority. What would a meego phone even do with all that ram? That said, the score differential is in the design element. There really is very little design difference unless an added dedicated camera button docked the score considerably.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Whatever dude.
dkp1977 said:
+1 on that. The Lumia 800 is nice, no doubt. But the Focus S is plain sexy.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
the focus S has the specs but the design element is pretty ugly. I want a phone that's as aesthetically pleasing as the OS itself.
Peew971 said:
I would trade the possibility to buy a Lumnia 800 for the one to buy a Focus S
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That comes down to personal preference. After the debacle of Focus updates on WP7, I will never buy another Samsung phone. Ever.
I finally got the chance to pick up and play with a n9 the other day and disregarding the OS i was really not impressed with the build of the phone. Most of my quarrels are with the physical buttons similar to what the article mentioned and i really do not like having the micro usb ports at the top of the phone as opposed to the bottom as i like to put my phones in a cradle at my desk.
Although this is the n9 i am sure its is very similar to the lumia 800. This is definitely not the phone for me primarily due to its small screen size, as i like the real estate i currently hold with my HD7.
I still think its funny when reviewing WP7 devices they actually talk about the operating system other then to increase awareness. The WP7 experience is the same across nearly all handset minus included software, this is different to android reviews as they can have different interface which effect look and performance. Continuity is a wonderful thing.
I will just say one thing.. I WANT IT!
I'm still on the fence of whether to stay with WP7, or put it on the back burner (for now) while it finishes cooking. But, if I do stick with it, and assuming that Nokia can iron out the camera issues prior to releasing the 800 in the US, and assuming that there is a 32 GB option, this will probably be my phone of choice.
Peew971 said:
The Verge has what I believe to be the first review for this phone.
http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/3/2534861/nokia-lumia-800-review
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Peew, its me. Please just hear (or read) me out for a few minutes and maybe we can see eye to eye.
I can't stand engadget's reviews but they are a necessary evil. I am hoping The Verge is different and when I opened the link you posted, I noticed the author's name sounded familiar. Vlad Savov... Vlad... where have I seen that before? Then I remember a conversation I had with a good friend about this article here.
Go to that link. Scroll down to the Disqus comments section. Sort by Best Rating. The comments complaining about Vlad are overwhelming. There was an aspect of the tablet that he complained about and it turned out he did not know what he was doing.
Now, back to where we are. I have not read the review yet and it may be a fair one. Engadget also posted their review today. I will read both and comment.
But Vlad was a questionable reviewer then at Engadget. Maybe he got better. Maybe he was being censored.
Edit:
I just read The Verge's review and it honestly sounded like a fair review. He nitpicked on the buttons on the phone, but since I haven't used it I will defer. Zee, you might be a little too sensitive
I could not even get through the first paragraphy of the Engadget review. They started off by slamming Elop for saying the 800 is a refinement of the N8, citing every hardware feature is worse. The Lumia 800 has a 1.4GHz cpu, radio, bettery battery life, a dedicated camera button, and Windows Phone on it. Clearly in a Windows Phone event, he would refering to the whole package as a refinement.
I don't know why people seem to hate on Engadget, I think they do a great job on reviews. I've read their Lumia 800 review and it's no less fair than The Verge's (most of The Verge crew comes from Engadget anyway). Fine, not every feature is worse but they do have a point. I can give you the better processor if you want but the battery is the same (battery life is not battery) and the radio is part of the OS. So really that's it. Ok I can also give you the camera button if you want.
Elop has gone on record claiming that the Lumia 800 is a "refinement" of the N9. That's not a good use of English and we can't let it slide, because every hardware difference between the two devices leaves the Lumia 800 worse off. There's no globetrotting pentaband 3G, which means no AWS support for T-Mo USA's network. The front-facing camera and notification LED have evaporated. The screen is slightly smaller due to the intrusion of the Windows Phone buttons. There's only 512MB of RAM instead of 1GB. Onboard storage maxes out at 16GB rather than 64GB with the N9. NFC is also inexplicably lacking, so the phone can't pair up with Nokia accessories and it probably won't be able to keep up future innovations that Nokia says its working on for Windows Phone 8 (aka Apollo).
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I don't know why some of you can't admit the Lumia 800 is a downgrade from the N9 hardware-wise, this is pretty clear.
Peew971 said:
I don't know why people seem to hate on Engadget, I think they do a great job on reviews. I've read their Lumia 800 review and it's no less fair than The Verge's (most of The Verge crew comes from Engadget anyway). Fine, not every feature is worse but they do have a point. I can give you the better processor if you want but the battery is the same (battery life is not battery) and the radio is part of the OS. So really that's it. Ok I can also give you the camera button if you want.
I don't know why some of you can't admit the Lumia 800 is a downgrade from the N9 hardware-wise, this is pretty clear.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I do. I'm not impressed with the 800. Haven't been, either. But I just read something about the N9 that intrigued me. It has MeeGo and that's the only mobileOS I have never experienced.
Peew971 said:
I don't know why people seem to hate on Engadget, I think they do a great job on reviews. I've read their Lumia 800 review and it's no less fair than The Verge's (most of The Verge crew comes from Engadget anyway). Fine, not every feature is worse but they do have a point. I can give you the better processor if you want but the battery is the same (battery life is not battery) and the radio is part of the OS. So really that's it. Ok I can also give you the camera button if you want.
I don't know why some of you can't admit the Lumia 800 is a downgrade from the N9 hardware-wise, this is pretty clear.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
software is more important to me than hardware. That's why I dont use android.
http://m.gizmodo.com/5857409/nokia-lumia-800-lightning-review-the-unattainable-foreign-beauty
Makes me want to hunt one down. Group buy anyone?
I would buy, easily. Shame it's not selling here, and if I buy from another country, when it arrives I would have to pay 100% of tax.
I don't get this preconceived ideas on some media outlets. Why "from Gizmodo of all places"? Maybe you only read some website because you think they're biased but I try to read a bit from all of them. For information this is how Gizmodo reviewed things before this phone:
- Zune HD: they loved it and wished it was a phone
- WP7: they loved that Zune HD turned into a phone, loved the OS, only hoped MS would update it quickly
- Mango: they loved it, just what they wanted from WP7
So really when you say "from Gizmodo of all places" you must really think they're just Apple fanboys who hate everything else when actually recent history proved they're not.
---------- Post added at 04:50 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:45 PM ----------
Should I Buy This
The Lumia 800 is by far the best Windows Phone you can buy.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If it is better than the HTC Titan then it is some phone.
This is the kind of statement that always makes me question integrity (ironic given what I said above). Best Windows Phone when it's missing features that are on both the Titan and Focus S, that's a bit odd.
Peew971 said:
I don't get this preconceived ideas on some media outlets. Why "from Gizmodo of all places"? Maybe you only read some website because you think they're biased but I try to read a bit from all of them. For information this is how Gizmodo reviewed things before this phone:
- Zune HD: they loved it and wished it was a phone
- WP7: they loved that Zune HD turned into a phone, loved the OS, only hoped MS would update it quickly
- Mango: they loved it, just what they wanted from WP7
So really when you say "from Gizmodo of all places" you must really think they're just Apple fanboys who hate everything else when actually recent history proved they're not.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It's quite simple, all websites in the Gawker network are known for from time to time write very bad articles just to piss people off. Because that gives them traffic boosts.
Here are two examples of articles that has been criticized:
http://gizmodo.com/5833787/my-brief-okcupid-affair-with-a-world-champion-magic-the-gathering-player
http://kotaku.com/5818213/professional-gaming-on-the-downturn-cheesy-tv-to-blame
They may give publicity to Windows Phone, which is a very good thing (for us), but I can't help to wonder if it isn't just to piss off the MS haters.
This anti-WP7 bias that supposedly exists on review sites is total BS.
Accept it people - it's entirely possible reviewers just don't like WP7 OS or hardware vs the Android and iPhones they're used to.
Aphasaic2002 said:
This anti-WP7 bias that supposedly exists on review sites is total BS.
Accept it people - it's entirely possible reviewers just don't like WP7 OS or hardware vs the Android and iPhones they're used to.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Quite possible, but that should not preclude an honest review of the inadequacies AND capabilities of WP7 without going on a rant about how MS should give up and concede the market. And for the record, anti-WP7 reviewer bias is not BS.
you know it's part of advertising right? Companies like Apple, MS and Google paid big bucks to splatters their name all over the web. In this case....probable Nokia.
I never trust any review on the web...unless it's by the consumers.
The Nokia might be a nice phone, but all I know is that if I were to settle for such a small phone, I would go with the Focus Flash. I much prefer a perfectly flat screen and the shape and style of the Flash is outstanding. Combined with a better AMOLED display and the style, the Flash is more appealing to me than the Lumia 800 and it has pretty much the same hardware...both are just as featureless, I mean (no FFC and such).
Peew971 said:
This is the kind of statement that always makes me question integrity (ironic given what I said above). Best Windows Phone when it's missing features that are on both the Titan and Focus S, that's a bit odd.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The best Windows Phone to me is the Lumia 800. The Windows Phone with the most bells and whistles is the Focus S.
If Samsung went back to some captivate-esque build quality then I'd be onboard. The lumia 800 just dominates the build quality department though.
nicksti said:
The best Windows Phone to me is the Lumia 800. The Windows Phone with the most bells and whistles is the Focus S.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It's your right to prefer the Lumia 800 as best for your needs. I just think that as a media outlet that has access to all the phones I find it a bit odd to give this title to this particluar phone when the Titan and Focus S have bigger screens, removable batteries or FFC for instance. You would have to give some considerable weight to Nokia Drive but it doesn't look like it was a factor there.
Peew971 said:
It's your right to prefer the Lumia 800 as best for your needs. I just think that as a media outlet that has access to all the phones I find it a bit odd to give this title to this particluar phone when the Titan and Focus S have bigger screens, removable batteries or FFC for instance. You would have to give some considerable weight to Nokia Drive but it doesn't look like it was a factor there.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If smaller screen and lack of removeable battery were ever a negative, the iPhone should have never gotten the 9s it got in every iteration on Engadget. There is little difference between the Titan and 800; both have smaller storage and lack of FFC.
But to be honest, if I was an online reviewer and I had to say which phone is currently the best Windows Phone, I would say the Lumia 800. You may not read my articles ever again
Let us face facts, in the Windows Phone world the experience from phone to phone is going to be so similar that something like looks, camera, and colours could be the differentiator. I have been harping on the lack of colours on these feature phones for a while now. I think Nokia really has something with that.
nicksti said:
There is little difference between the Titan and 800; both have smaller storage and lack of FFC.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The Titan comes with a 1.3MP FFC.
nicksti said:
If smaller screen and lack of removeable battery were ever a negative, the iPhone should have never gotten the 9s it got in every iteration on Engadget. There is little difference between the Titan and 800; both have smaller storage and lack of FFC.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sometimes I cannot tell if you're serious with some things you say. The Titan has a FFC and a much bigger screen. Same goes for the Focus S. The iPhone wasn't compared to another iPhone in the ecosystem unlike the Lumia 800. It's not like you had the choice of a 4" iPhone you can compare it to. In the same ecosystem the Lumia is missing features other phones have so to call best WP out there is questionable when this is coming from a tech website reviewer (if you want to believe that good for you). Unless like I said you consider Nokia Drive to be an amazing must have feature.
Peew971 said:
Sometimes I cannot tell if you're serious with some things you say. The Titan has a FFC and a much bigger screen. Same goes for the Focus S. The iPhone wasn't compared to another iPhone in the ecosystem unlike the Lumia 800. It's not like you had the choice of a 4" iPhone you can compare it to. In the same ecosystem the Lumia is missing features other phones have so to call best WP out there is questionable when this is coming from a tech website reviewer (if you want to believe that good for you). Unless like I said you consider Nokia Drive to be an amazing must have feature.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It was an error on my part. I dunno why you say that about me. I thought we agreed it is a personal thing. Why is a "much bigger screen" a positive thing? The best selling phone in the last 3 years has a 3.5" screen. Yes, there are no iPhone options, but choice is choice, and people choose to own a 3.5" iPhone.
I am wrong about the FFC, my error, but I am serious that I think the Lumia is the best Windows Phone on the market.
All my opinions and needs:
The Lumia 800 is the most gorgeous phone I have ever seen. Ever. This is the RAZR of 2004. The iPhone 4 of 2010.
I am strongly considering getting the blue.
The features that it does lack I do not care too much about. My Defy was 2GB internal, 2GB microSD card. Plenty of space left. I do not need a FFC.
I want a phone that looks good, is easy to pocket and hold, has a nice screen, wonderful battery life, is stable, and has a high end camera. The compromise I am making is in the app department with the ecosystem (no EA scrabble, do they have words with friends?) but I will live.
I am serious. So the Focus S with its AMOLED screen, 1GB RAM, and bigger storage is the best one out of the three to you?
I probably won't get any of the 3 due to the lack of 32GB (although you never know since I've just repurchased a Zune HD) but yes in my eyes the Focus S is the best one. 4" and 4.3" are the two screen sizes that suit me so the Lumia is too small and the Titan too big. Also Samsung phones tend to get better battery life and camera experience when compared to HTCs. FFC I can live without so I don't hold that too much against the Lumia 800 (but then again I'm not a reviewer).
Ultimately none are worth getting a new contract for when they're not significantly better than my Omnia 7 so I'll wait and see what comes in 2012.
Peew971 said:
I probably won't get any of the 3 due to the lack of 32GB (although you never know since I've just repurchased a Zune HD) but yes in my eyes the Focus S is the best one. 4" and 4.3" are the two screen sizes that suit me so the Lumia is too small and the Titan too big. Also Samsung phones tend to get better battery life and camera experience when compared to HTCs. FFC I can live without so I don't hold that too much against the Lumia 800 (but then again I'm not a reviewer).
Ultimately none are worth getting a new contract for when they're not significantly better than my Omnia 7 so I'll wait and see what comes in 2012.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
We are def in two different segments from that standpoint. I love my Defy. It is the most compact 3.7" phone I have ever seen. Smaller than an iPhone with a 3.5" screen (thicker but in all more compact). I used a SE X10 for a day and it was a bit of a struggle getting out of my jeans when sitting.
I really wanted an Omnia 7. But I knew WP was not for me then due to missing apps I needed. Then I read all the issues with Omnia and updates. So I would be hesitant to get the Flash. But I agree that there is not enough reason to go from Gen 1 to Gen 2. Its like the HTC wildfire/desire to wildfire s / desire s.
Call me superficial but the N9 had me at hello. When I read the Sea Ray rumour I could not wait. Unfortunately, I read the unlocked version may not be available until 2012
Peew971 said:
Sometimes I cannot tell if you're serious with some things you say. The Titan has a FFC and a much bigger screen. Same goes for the Focus S. The iPhone wasn't compared to another iPhone in the ecosystem unlike the Lumia 800. It's not like you had the choice of a 4" iPhone you can compare it to. In the same ecosystem the Lumia is missing features other phones have so to call best WP out there is questionable when this is coming from a tech website reviewer (if you want to believe that good for you). Unless like I said you consider Nokia Drive to be an amazing must have feature.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
A bigger screen isnt always a plus esp as they have the same resolution and thus the lumia has a higher pixle density and its got the clear black amoledscreen. Big screen = big ugly device that sits heavy in my pocket. I would not only say the lumia has a better screen than the titan i would say it smashes it to the ground. I drive a 7 seater hyundai is that a better car then my old Subaru Impreza i think not. Bigger isnt always better.
Hi, I recently preordered my Lumia 900 on the 30th. I was able to play around with the 900 while doing so. I noticed a few things compared to my current DVP. I love the screen on my DVP and think it looks awesome some may differ. One thing I did notice about the Lumia 900 is that the screeen sensitivity and scrolling didnt seem as fast as my DVP. I can flick the screen of my DVP and it scrolls very fast through the homepage. Colors seemed to be a bit washed out to me not as much as the Titan imo. Some people differ. On the DVP the colors seem to be very vibrant and alive. Not sure if it was due to the color choose the owner had or what but I didnt care to much for it but it didnt detour my decision to buy it. The lumia 900 felt light to me after coming from a DVP, this thing is heavy. Lumia 900 was also thinner and felt great and solid in the hand.
Few things I didnt get to test out was the volume of mic, speakerphone, and headphone jack. Nokia has been known for their loud speakerphones but not sure if they brought that over to WP. Output of the headphone jack is important to me but at the same time not really because I have a headphone amplifier that increases the volume because I use the headphones a lot.
But on the other hand im satisfied and cant wait to get my 900. Cant wait to see what apps Nokia will come up with. Im looking for an audio eq app from Nokia that would be great for me using my headphones a lot. But im going to enjoy my Lumia until the Nokia superphone comes out to replace my 900. I hope Nokia comes back to the states and take over like they did before. I remember when Nokia was the phone to get and they had tones of third party accessories for differentiating phones to whatever you wanted.
937dytboi said:
Hi, I recently preordered my Lumia 900 on the 30th. I was able to play around with the 900 while doing so. I noticed a few things compared to my current DVP. I love the screen on my DVP and think it looks awesome some may differ. One thing I did notice about the Lumia 900 is that the screeen sensitivity and scrolling didnt seem as fast as my DVP. I can flick the screen of my DVP and it scrolls very fast through the homepage. Colors seemed to be a bit washed out to me not as much as the Titan imo. Some people differ. On the DVP the colors seem to be very vibrant and alive. Not sure if it was due to the color choose the owner had or what but I didnt care to much for it but it didnt detour my decision to buy it. The lumia 900 felt light to me after coming from a DVP, this thing is heavy. Lumia 900 was also thinner and felt great and solid in the hand.
Few things I didnt get to test out was the volume of mic, speakerphone, and headphone jack. Nokia has been known for their loud speakerphones but not sure if they brought that over to WP. Output of the headphone jack is important to me but at the same time not really because I have a headphone amplifier that increases the volume because I use the headphones a lot.
But on the other hand im satisfied and cant wait to get my 900. Cant wait to see what apps Nokia will come up with. Im looking for an audio eq app from Nokia that would be great for me using my headphones a lot. But im going to enjoy my Lumia until the Nokia superphone comes out to replace my 900. I hope Nokia comes back to the states and take over like they did before. I remember when Nokia was the phone to get and they had tones of third party accessories for differentiating phones to whatever you wanted.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
as an ex dvp owner I tend to agree with you. The screen was pretty good, and the scrolling speeds were amazing. Only the Samsung focus was on par with display. While the scrolling speed of the 900 is not the same, don't equate scrolling speed with overall speed. The 900 blazes.
As far as weight. The dvp was heavy, but it was a good heavy for me. The 900 is heavy in comparison between apples and oranges, but, to me, it fits nicely in my hands and does have a very good balance.
Perhaps the scrolling speed will have an adjustment somewhere
alodar1 said:
as an ex dvp owner I tend to agree with you. The screen was pretty good, and the scrolling speeds were amazing. Only the Samsung focus was on par with display. While the scrolling speed of the 900 is not the same, don't equate scrolling speed with overall speed. The 900 blazes.
As far as weight. The dvp was heavy, but it was a good heavy for me. The 900 is heavy in comparison between apples and oranges, but, to me, it fits nicely in my hands and does have a very good balance.
Perhaps the scrolling speed will have an adjustment somewhere
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You know the touch seemed to be more accurate on the 900 than the DVP. The DVP scroll speed is something I will miss but hopefully they will either have a fix or bring in a setting that can change this. When I did look in settings I didnt see anything that could change this but im moving on from the DVP, it will still be around if I dont like ATT service.
really, i have tried a lot of windows phone and have not seen that difference. I used a samsung focus, htc titan and tried the L900 that i too preordered but didnt notice this things.
lovenokia said:
really, i have tried a lot of windows phone and have not seen that difference. I used a samsung focus, htc titan and tried the L900 that i too preordered but didnt notice this things.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
everyone has something they like, or don't like, best. Unless you had a Venue Pro, you may not know what we're talking about. The vp's up and done scrolling was incredible. A single flick with your finger could send scrolling forever. I've been exposed to most first Gen phones, the VP was the best at that flick.
Its such a small thing. The 900 is not broken by any means. Its just that in comparison, the VP could take off.
No big deal at all...
For me; I think im going to love the screen on this phone. I love Nokias clearblack technology displays. I would get the n9 if it was the same size as the lumia 900 since it has android and meego. ive only had HTCs really and a few other devices. and HTCs screens tend to not be the best.. also their build quality of their recent phones (sensation/amaze). I have the amaze right now and I plan on trading or selling for the lumia 900 asap last windows phone I had was the HD7 and I liked it but it had build problems and crappy sound/washed out colors. ive actually never seen a Nokia smartphone before so im pretty excited.
Unlocked of course, since i'm on tmo
stratax said:
For me; I think im going to love the screen on this phone. I love Nokias clearblack technology displays. I would get the n9 if it was the same size as the lumia 900 since it has android and meego. ive only had HTCs really and a few other devices. and HTCs screens tend to not be the best.. also their build quality of their recent phones (sensation/amaze). I have the amaze right now and I plan on trading or selling for the lumia 900 asap last windows phone I had was the HD7 and I liked it but it had build problems and crappy sound/washed out colors. ive actually never seen a Nokia smartphone before so im pretty excited.
Unlocked of course, since i'm on tmo
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
compared to an hd7, this thing is s beast. Don't get me wrong, the hd7 is pretty DSM hood. But it's the poster child for old, taking its chasis design from the hd2. My girlfriend still uses it. She'll be getting my focus s next week.
After enduring a year or so of android, build quality is on top for me, followed by reliability. Both thongs seriously lacking in android. before any android lovers scream, android is fine...if you like modding. Otherwise its second rate...imo . Its a great tablet platform...fire and xoom.
I'm crossing my fingers that Nokia and ms hit a homerun here.
alodar1 said:
compared to an hd7, this thing is s beast. Don't get me wrong, the hd7 is pretty DSM hood. But it's the poster child for old, taking its chasis design from the hd2. My girlfriend still uses it. She'll be getting my focus s next week.
After enduring a year or so of android, build quality is on top for me, followed by reliability. Both thongs seriously lacking in android. before any android lovers scream, android is fine...if you like modding. Otherwise its second rate...imo . Its a great tablet platform...fire and xoom.
I'm crossing my fingers that Nokia and ms hit a homerun here.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You know I honestly loved modding my Windows mobile devices, but now after owning WP I dont even feel the need to mod anymores. Dont know because Ive grown older or what but I dont even feel the urge to mod the way I use to
937dytboi said:
You know I honestly loved modding my Windows mobile devices, but now after owning WP I dont even feel the need to mod anymores. Dont know because Ive grown older or what but I dont even feel the urge to mod the way I use to
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I was thinking about that the other day. I too modded my winnow to no end. So aneroid was attractive. I think thechange for me came when I realized that aneroid is one big mod, and operators allow a certain amont of it just to survive. In my opinion its leading to a huge mess.
With windows phone, stuff works out of box. Apps work. I don't have to worry about which version or which driver, etc.
That's not to say I'm 100% happy with winphone. I wish a slightly more flexible color scheme was in place. I would love black on white tiles,or white on black combos. I'm sure other people have their thoughts. I don't need the operating system ripped apart, or apps hacked and tweeked just run. If it wont run right on my phone, I don't want it. But that's just me..
I personally think android is getting ready to break. Too many low quality phones...too many os varients. Ice cream sandwhich is a great hit, and what's next...jelly bean? Too many exposed parts...just my opinion. I spend a lot of money each year on phones. The 900 will be my fourth this year, plus a kindle fire. I just want my phone reliable. Right now that means iphone or windows phones. Just too many broken andy Rubin looking things running around.
my experience with android is allright, i have an hp touchpad that i put ics on it and made wonders, but kinda bricked my samsung vibrant. Android is cool but i could never use it as a daily driver. I cant wait for my pre ordered nokia lumia 900! currently using an htc titan and cant stand the video lag that occurs every once in a while. Never happened on my focus but happens on the titan all the time.
Just read the reviews of One X on verge and Engadget, that phone looks gorgeous. Lumia 900 also looks gorgeous but not sure about the low resolution display of the WP7. I'm pretty sure WP8 will support higher resolution displays but it always bugs me on the current WP phones. Hope MS pushes the next gen of WP OS pretty fast.
My wife has a Asus transformer with ice. I liked the change at first but the OS still lags and gives problems. Not liking that. Android is a big mess and I never liked the UI layout at all. To cluttered.
Sent from my Venue Pro using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
kirdroid said:
Just read the reviews of One X on verge and Engadget, that phone looks gorgeous. Lumia 900 also looks gorgeous but not sure about the low resolution display of the WP7. I'm pretty sure WP8 will support higher resolution displays but it always bugs me on the current WP phones. Hope MS pushes the next gen of WP OS pretty fast.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
dude, the one series will be awesome, the phone to beat, if HTC can pull it off. I was an avid HTC user until most recently when the quality just tanked. They've promised to restore the quality and build less variants. We'll see. Last HTC phone I like was the nexus one. If HTC can dupe that, winner!
But windows phone is mine now!!
alodar1 said:
compared to an hd7, this thing is s beast. Don't get me wrong, the hd7 is pretty DSM hood. But it's the poster child for old, taking its chasis design from the hd2. My girlfriend still uses it. She'll be getting my focus s next week.
After enduring a year or so of android, build quality is on top for me, followed by reliability. Both thongs seriously lacking in android. before any android lovers scream, android is fine...if you like modding. Otherwise its second rate...imo . Its a great tablet platform...fire and xoom.
I'm crossing my fingers that Nokia and ms hit a homerun here.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
back in 2010 it was my favorite phone, it was one of the best choices. I only had it for a few months before I traded for the atrix + $70 and was full of regret. yeah build quality with android devices is a huge problem. HTC just release the one s/x and they have really good build (looks like they copied a bit from nokia). but im tired of androids fragmentation. and the lumia 900 is really cheap for a new phone considering my amaze still sells for $400 on ebay which is ridiculous so im probably just going to trade.
yeah, android isn't bad I just don't use half of the features and I miss the super smooth-ness of wp7 and all the integrated Microsoft stuff.
apparently its the #1 selling phone right now
edit: http://www.technobuffalo.com/companies/nokia/nokia-lumia-900-tops-amazons-att-best-sellers-list/
Samsung has launched Omnia M ( GT-I8350 ), a Windows Phone smartphone ideal for social and entertainment multi-taskers. Company says “Play and Share with Samsung Omnia M“......
http://mirolta.com/2012/05/11/samsung-launches-omnia-m-a-windows-phone-smartphone/
Looks nice, Good sized screen, but just 4GB storage,I know Skydrive is the in thing but I would hate having to stream all my music, Photos aint so bad, That doesn't really leave alot of room even for apps, Even if the whole 4GB is usable? If anything surely storage sizes should increase?
Looks like nice, though not revolutionary, hardware. The 4GB storage is a pathetic joke, though, unless it's easily expandable. I mean, 8GB was bad back when the Focus launched 1.5 years ago, and we're an iteration of Moore's Law from that point. Storage should have doubled, not halved... Also, the choice to stick with the 1GHz CPU seems odd; the gen1 Windows phones perform great (still) but I'd have expected a faster chip just as a matter of progress.
The inclusion of HSDPA (rather than something like LTE) makes me wonder if it'll be the first Samsung Windows Phone to come to T-Mobile in the US. I'm a bit surprised by the choice of data tech, though, to be honest; is Europe still predominantly on 3G techs like HSDPA? The US hasn't entirely decided what "4G" means yet, but "faster than 7.2Mbps" is definitely a part of it and all the major carriers offer such a technology.
My guess? This is a low-end budget phone, intended to bring people to WP7 for cheap. With 384MB of RAM, it'll run Tango fine, but that's still less than most gen1 phones. That's fine by me if it helps increase the platform's user-base, though!
Might be a decent pre-pay phone but you would be much better off getting a first gen focus unless you HAVE TO HAVE a FFC.
Two Windows Phone by Samsung in one week ! What happenned to them ?
They sayd that, WP7.5 is a mess for them and they will focus on WP8 but this 2 devices are clearly here
Not many people wil buy that phone.
I hope the WP8 Phones from Samsung will look better like a mix of Galaxy S2 and S3
Omnia M looks and feels quite good in hand actually (I was lucky enough to get it in my hands today). It is nowhere near the feel of Omnia 7 - it is not metal after all. But it felt quite solid, more than Galaxy S .
It was sporting 4GB storage only though, which is serious bummer. But it felt snappy just as some regular nonTango-specced device.
Depending on the price it could be really good buy. But the 4GB :/....
Look good but memory?
Looks good? Looks great!