http://m.gizmodo.com/5902860/every-windows-phone-ever-will-get-the-windows-phone-8-upgrade
Good news...
Hopefully because I just bought a Lumia 800 to change my trophy.
I want to believe this but, till a solid direct from Microsoft says it, not at developer evangelist for Microsoft, I will believe it.
If you look at all the facts, there has not been a single word about this directly from Microsoft in the last few months. There is a lot of factors why older devices might not get WP8, new hardware, new standards on displays, etc.
So, as it gets closer to an acutal release and Microsoft says something clearly stating that all first and 2nd gen devices will get Windows Phone 8, I will believe it.
Personly, I expect it. WHy ? The biggest problem with Android is fragmentation. One *new* device comes with 2.3 others come with 4.0 and most people who are not part of XDA (and not afraid to "root" their phone) wont see or even attempt to upgrade. As a buyer goes, I want the newest sofware on my device when I buy it and it's a much better value if I can have the current version a year down the line. This is what Microsoft needs to do to keep growing WP7 device sales.
Time will tell but, again till Microsoft says it, it's just another rumor....
I agree wholeheartedly.
I'd even be happy if older devices got a "subset" of WP8, to be honest. However, with that said, I'm still using my first gen Samsung Focus, it's gotten nothing but faster and more feature complete with each update, and it's been my intention all along to grab a WP8 native devices when they come out, so I'll be OK either way.
One thing I'm glad for: even if WP7 first generation devices don't wind up with an upgrade, Microsoft has been very conscientious about making each update trimmer and faster than the one before, so people "stuck" with WP7 aren't going to be screwed over by a crappy software update that cripples their device, a la Apple with the iOS4/iPhone 3G debacle. And honestly, if the first gen WP8 devices aren't up to what I expect, well, then I'm happy to keep using my first generation device until they do get their. I'm hoping to hell that all the secrecy surrounding WP8 means that it'll be a mind blowing spec, with a full-bore implementation of TellMe, integrated Kinect camera and mic array, etc. Time will tell!
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I want to believe this but, till a solid direct from Microsoft says it, not at developer evangelist for Microsoft, I will believe it.
If you look at all the facts, there has not been a single word about this directly from Microsoft in the last few months. There is a lot of factors why older devices might not get WP8, new hardware, new standards on displays, etc.
So, as it gets closer to an acutal release and Microsoft says something clearly stating that all first and 2nd gen devices will get Windows Phone 8, I will believe it.
Personly, I expect it. WHy ? The biggest problem with Android is fragmentation. One *new* device comes with 2.3 others come with 4.0 and most people who are not part of XDA (and not afraid to "root" their phone) wont see or even attempt to upgrade. As a buyer goes, I want the newest sofware on my device when I buy it and it's a much better value if I can have the current version a year down the line. This is what Microsoft needs to do to keep growing WP7 device sales.
Time will tell but, again till Microsoft says it, it's just another rumor....
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Interesting tweets from Paul Thurrott.
andrewje_home: @thurrott what's your take on the wp7 -> wp8 upgrade rumours? Would be silly of MS to cut off existing users. There lack of comment is poor.
thurrott: @andrewje_home There is no way they will broadly support upgrades. I'd be surprised if a single phone was upgradeable.
https://twitter.com/#!/thurrott/status/192632302591942656
Kee: @thurrott buying 900 and no update after 6 months. That sucks
thurrott: @eskeemo What makes you think there will be "no update"?
https://twitter.com/#!/thurrott/status/192633133559066625
I have seen a post that old phones will get an update but it won't be Windows 8. Wonder if Paul is also implying this.
eldarmurtazin: @verge they have Apollo style update in pipeline for wp7 (ui, some apps, tweaks). But it isn't Apollo. People will like it I think
https://twitter.com/#!/eldarmurtazin/status/192500720371638272
Yes, I know the source isn't always the most reliable
magicsquid said:
Interesting tweets from Paul Thurrott.
andrewje_home: @thurrott what's your take on the wp7 -> wp8 upgrade rumours? Would be silly of MS to cut off existing users. There lack of comment is poor.
thurrott: @andrewje_home There is no way they will broadly support upgrades. I'd be surprised if a single phone was upgradeable.
https://twitter.com/#!/thurrott/status/192632302591942656
Kee: @thurrott buying 900 and no update after 6 months. That sucks
thurrott: @eskeemo What makes you think there will be "no update"?
https://twitter.com/#!/thurrott/status/192633133559066625
I have seen a post that old phones will get an update but it won't be Windows 8. Wonder if Paul is also implying this.
eldarmurtazin: @verge they have Apollo style update in pipeline for wp7 (ui, some apps, tweaks). But it isn't Apollo. People will like it I think
https://twitter.com/#!/eldarmurtazin/status/192500720371638272
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And this is the thing. People are thinking because they don't get the "Apollo" OS that they won't get feature & tweak updates ect. They will.
http://m.gizmodo.com/5903416/current-windows-phones-may-not-be-getting-upgraded-after-all
So. No. I'll have to change my thread title. Ah. Rumors.
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And this is the thing. People are thinking because they don't get the "Apollo" OS that they won't get feature & tweak updates ect. They will.
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Yeah there are already two versions of Tango in the pipeline, the one going on the 256MB devices and the one that's a refresh for Mango. So why not two Apollo's.
Funny too see how the company that was blaming Android and its fragmentations is doing exactly the same thing. Hahahahahah.
That's a shame. And Apple deserves a prize. The only one who can do that.
mikeeam said:
Funny too see how the company that was blaming Android and its fragmentations is doing exactly the same thing. Hahahahahah.
That's a shame. And Apple deserves a prize. The only one who can do that.
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Apple design his own hardware.
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Funny too see how the company that was blaming Android and its fragmentations is doing exactly the same thing. Hahahahahah.
That's a shame. And Apple deserves a prize. The only one who can do that.
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And you surely don't understand the differences between the two fragmentations here.
Android ones - you need to buy a new phone if you want new OS features.
MS ones - you will get mostly the updated OS, but not the features that need new hardware - common sense!
But Apple deserves a prize for making only 5 phones since it's birth, yes.
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And you surely don't understand the differences between the two fragmentations here.
Android ones - you need to buy a new phone if you want new OS features.
MS ones - you will get mostly the updated OS, but not the features that need new hardware - common sense!
But Apple deserves a prize for making only 5 phones since it's birth, yes.
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& in his definition of fragmentation, Apple is too. There will always be fragmentation when you add new features/enhance/mature an OS. The problem with fragmentation that MS was talking about is that what you can do on an Android is wholly dependent on the device you have. My ex-roommates have non top of the line Androids & they are total garbage. You have no flash support, no hotspot support, it lags to all hell (ui takes seconds to respond to touch input)/etc. All WP7's look the same & perform almost the same. This is the kind of fragmentation MS was talking about. How a Top tier Android could have all these cool features & be fast & smooth while low end devices are garbage.
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And you surely don't understand the differences between the two fragmentations here.
Android ones - you need to buy a new phone if you want new OS features.
MS ones - you will get mostly the updated OS, but not the features that need new hardware - common sense!
But Apple deserves a prize for making only 5 phones since it's birth, yes.
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Is that like telling lumia 800 users they should've bought lumia 900 if they wanted internet sharing capabilities?
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lqaddict said:
Is that like telling lumia 800 users they should've bought lumia 900 if they wanted internet sharing capabilities?
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No.
Because internet sharing is present even on Lumia 800 and doesn't need any extra hardwares. You missed the exact point I was making.
However, if Lumia 800 users wanted a 4.3 inches screen with LTE support and FFC, then they should have waited for Lumia 900. Similarly if anyone wants a dual-core processor and high screen res to show off, they shouldn't buy Lumia 900 because MSFT Apollo won't obviously add those hardware features to any phone! Hence anything that depends on dual-core processor (it won't be the OS!) will not work on Lumia 900.
If you need a gyroscope for an app or a feature which Windows Phone 8 will have in it's "required hardware specs" - you cannot expect that feature to show up on old phones. They don't have the hardware to support the OS/software.
However, if WP UI overhaul takes place or added features like folders, shortcuts, IE improvement, Office or any other added integration like Skype kicks in, I don't see why current hardware won't be able to support it! It will. It can. 1Ghz is more than enough as it is. These added features don't need extra processor. May be extra memory? So then Nokia Lumia 610 might seem a little slow if that.
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And you surely don't understand the differences between the two fragmentations here.
Android ones - you need to buy a new phone if you want new OS features.
MS ones - you will get mostly the updated OS, but not the features that need new hardware - common sense!
But Apple deserves a prize for making only 5 phones since it's birth, yes.
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Indeed, 5 phones, but second generation got 3 years of support. That's remarkable, lets admit. I dont like iPhone, but I envy how Apple just go, release their updates without carriers crying around, at the same time to everyone. Lets give them some credit here.
And fragmentation is fragmentation. I never doubt my 3 months old iPhone wouldnt be updated. My Lumia, otherwise.. This silence of MS is making me anxious.
Just think, why MS would keep in secret something like "the second generation will be updated"?! Makes no sense. It's not marketing strategy, it's worse for them with all those rumors.
And everytime someone ask one of the team, they avoid the direct answer.
I had a HTC Trophy, and 3 months ago bought a Lumia 800. I regret that for now.
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No.
Because internet sharing is present even on Lumia 800 and doesn't need any extra hardwares. You missed the exact point I was making.
However, if Lumia 800 users wanted a 4.3 inches screen with LTE support and FFC, then they should have waited for Lumia 900. Similarly if anyone wants a dual-core processor and high screen res to show off, they shouldn't buy Lumia 900 because MSFT Apollo won't obviously add those hardware features to any phone! Hence anything that depends on dual-core processor (it won't be the OS!) will not work on Lumia 900.
If you need a gyroscope for an app or a feature which Windows Phone 8 will have in it's "required hardware specs" - you cannot expect that feature to show up on old phones. They don't have the hardware to support the OS/software.
However, if WP UI overhaul takes place or added features like folders, shortcuts, IE improvement, Office or any other added integration like Skype kicks in, I don't see why current hardware won't be able to support it! It will. It can. 1Ghz is more than enough as it is. These added features don't need extra processor. May be extra memory? So then Nokia Lumia 610 might seem a little slow if that.
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Sorry that a link to a picture of something resembling a phone screen with Chinese characters and a bunch of speculation in English text underneath.
People throw fragmentation all over the Android world, yet turn blind eye to things like Bing non-support in markets where MSFT launched their product, etc.
Simply put, there are too many excuses surrounding this platform, and MSFT seem to play that card pretty well with 90% satisfaction rate as the one of few statistics thrown around.
http://andrewtechhelp.com/andrews-t...feature-availability-matrix-the-mango-edition
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bmstrong said:
http://m.gizmodo.com/5902860/every-windows-phone-ever-will-get-the-windows-phone-8-upgrade
Good news...
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We heard this about the HTC HD2 and moving to Windows 7.
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DO NOT HOLD YOUR BREATH
But still, even if 8 isn't officially released, you can put money on a port. Gotta love XDA.
EDITED: NOT HAPPENING.
If my Lumia doesn't get the new kernel and UI and MSFT pulls a Galaxy S feature pack they can kiss my behind goodbye
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narta said:
If my Lumia doesn't get the new kernel and UI and MSFT pulls a Galaxy S feature pack they can kiss my behind goodbye
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Goodbye!
http://www.winsupersite.com/article/paul-thurrotts-wininfo/wininfo-short-takes-april-20-2012-142888
Honestly, I find myself not caring at all. I didn't want to stay on my old WP7 handset, I didn't want to switch to Android or iPhone. Instead I'm going to enjoy this fantastic Lumia 900 until I feel it's time to move to Apollo at the end of the year or early next year. I can take it back still, but I don't want to. I know people still on Gingerbread that are perfectly happy, I myself declined the honeycomb update on my tablet. Stop freaking out about specs and updates and versions in the future and just enjoy your phone.
But yes this is still not official, still plenty of time to change their stance.
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Goodbye!
http://www.winsupersite.com/article/paul-thurrotts-wininfo/wininfo-short-takes-april-20-2012-142888
Honestly, I find myself not caring at all. I didn't want to stay on my old WP7 handset, I didn't want to switch to Android or iPhone. Instead I'm going to enjoy this fantastic Lumia 900 until I feel it's time to move to Apollo at the end of the year or early next year. I can take it back still, but I don't want to. I know people still on Gingerbread that are perfectly happy, I myself declined the honeycomb update on my tablet. Stop freaking out about specs and updates and versions in the future and just enjoy your phone.
But yes this is still not official, still plenty of time to change their stance.
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I think it's wrong that MSFT is allowing such harmful speculation as to the support of previous generation devices. Their silence is allowing people to get in a tizzy over what could be absolutely nothing. I met someone last month at a dinner party who works at MSFT and said that Apollo runs beautifully on the Lumia 900.
I find flaw with the article you linked when it said...
"Second, the experience would be terrible; Windows Phone 8 is based on Windows 8, not Windows Phone 7.x, and requires headier, higher-end hardware with two or more core processors."
This is in direct opposition to the entire purpose of the Tango release to allow for lower-end hardware. Why would MSFT make an effort to allow for more affordable devices if the WP8 platform won't work on them in the future? This means that lower-end devices will never exist on WP8 until dual core becomes cheap.
Rather, what I think this article gets wrong is that WP8 does not require dual core, but allows for it to exist in the first place.
WP7 has a high floor and a low ceiling. Tango lowered the floor and Apollo will be raising the ceiling. Whether we'll get the update is up in the air, but I'm personally anticipating it to happen.
MSFT does need to stop being so secretive though. It's hard to build and keep a fanbase under the current business model.
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So basically what we are going to get is just the "new" start screen? nothing else? like maps powered by nokia, skype integration?
I would love to know too. Almost sold my Lumia already, but I dont know which phone I get instead it. I'll keep it for a while.
Guess we will know in a few days, no one knows it right now.
Paul Thurrott has a write-up about this here:
http://www.winsupersite.com/article/windowsphone75/windows-phone-78-preview-143476
Wait.. No multitasking? Nor Skype integrated!?!?
Seems like MS is doing everything to loose these 1-2% of the smartphones market...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1722502
I wont buy another windows phone anymore! I liked windows phone so much, but microsoft disappoint me with no updates for first generation devices. If the old phones would also get the new kernel, app-compability and skype-integration, then would it be enough. But Microsoft is ****ing stupid and dropps the little amount of windows phone users in only one day!
luizmeme said:
So basically what we are going to get is just the "new" start screen? nothing else? like maps powered by nokia, skype integration?
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I just contacted the WinPhoneSupport:
http://www.twitter.com/WinPhoneSupport/status/215556734205435904
@WinPhoneSupport: @ChrisK91 The only thing announced for 7.8 is the change of the start screen. ^EB
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ruyzalim said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1722502
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It's a stupid marketing bull**** from MS guy... This Belfiore guy wrote:
Windows Phone 8 is a generation shift in technology, which means that it will not run on existing hardware. BUT we care deeply about our existing customers and want to keep their phones fresh, so we’re providing the new Start screen in this new update.
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It's a complete bull****! "shift in technology"... He should try Galaxy S III first!
But the facts are:
- MS just made stupidest decision in a years. Probably next 5 month WP7 sales will fall to 0.
- also, I'm expecting the app developers (as I am) will stop developing new stuff for "outdated" WP7 platform;
- it's a painful blow to manufacturers, especially to Nokia! Who will buy "gorgeous Lumia 900" now if it become outdated old piece of hardware so shortly? Check ebay in few days - Lumia 900 price will be bellow $200...
- and, finally, the most important thing: Microsoft has lost the trust and loyalty of customers. Who will spend money for "brand new" WP8 if next year they will announce WP9?
So, my conclusion: it's a very good time to sell MS stocks right now! Don't wait and risk your money...
freddx said:
I wont buy another windows phone anymore! I liked windows phone so much, but microsoft disappoint me with no updates for first generation devices. If the old phones would also get the new kernel, app-compability and skype-integration, then would it be enough. But Microsoft is ****ing stupid and dropps the little amount of windows phone users in only one day!
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Calm down... Don't you know what a kernel change means? It's like installing linux over windows on your PC. The OEM would start from scratch, rewrite every driver on the device (cpu, gpu, display, buttons, touch, accelerometer, compass, bluetooth, wlan... And the list goes on forever), that would take about 9 months at least. The OEM would loose more money than it would get.
jessenic said:
Calm down... Don't you know what a kernel change means? It's like installing linux over windows on your PC. The OEM would start from scratch, rewrite every driver on the device (cpu, gpu, display, buttons, touch, accelerometer, compass, bluetooth, wlan... And the list goes on forever), that would take about 9 months at least. The OEM would loose more money than it would get.
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Sorry I was in rage....but an update with more features would be nice The "old" hardware can do more than only a new start screen. Apple even gives a iOS6 lite to the 3Gs and all appstore-apps are compatible...
sensboston said:
It's a stupid marketing bull**** from MS guy... This Belfiore guy wrote:
It's a complete bull****! "shift in technology"... He should try Galaxy S III first!
But the facts are:
- MS just made stupidest decision in a years. Probably next 5 month WP7 sales will fall to 0.
- also, I'm expecting the app developers (as I am) will stop developing new stuff for "outdated" WP7 platform;
- it's a painful blow to manufacturers, especially to Nokia! Who will buy "gorgeous Lumia 900" now if it become outdated old piece of hardware so shortly? Check ebay in few days - Lumia 900 price will be bellow $200...
- and, finally, the most important thing: Microsoft has lost the trust and loyalty of customers. Who will spend money for "brand new" WP8 if next year they will announce WP9?
So, my conclusion: it's a very good time to sell MS stocks right now! Don't wait and risk your money...
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You shouldn't sell MS stocks right now, because of one developer summit. Of course, there are a lot of disappointed users (including me) about the way MS took. But I don't think that every point in your list is valid. I doubt that WP7 sales will drop to 0. There are a lot of people buying phones based on feel. However I guess the WP7 sales will decrease in the coming months. At least the sales of new expensive devices like the Titan or Lumia 900. I also expect the prices of current handsets to drop over a few days.
Microsofts course could harm Nokia, I totally agree. When they made Nokia Drive available to every device, Nokia lost a unique selling point. One of the reasons why I bought a Lumia 800 was the free navigation. I'm expecting that Nokia's stock will drop even further in the coming days, if there aren't any new announcements that "improve" the current situation.
I also get that developers will target new phones. However how do you develop for Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8? Most likely with C# and the .Net framework. And guess what? You can run .Net based Apps on Windows Phone 7 as well. But at first I was also skeptical about this question and asked it in a Nokia Conversations discussion. The answer of a Nokia employee is attached.
the most important thing: Microsoft has lost the trust and loyalty of customers.
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I totally agree. However they can gain (at least my) trust back by providing not only the new start screen, but other improvements as well. The rumored new notification system comes to mind.
All in all I guess this announcement did not resolve the current update situation. In a nutshell MS stated that WP8 will be based on a new kernel and that this new kernel won't come to existing devices. Most of the new announcements were hardware related. One of the software things is the start screen, and this one is coming in Windows Phone 7.8. Did did not say, that this start screen is the only thing in this update. As stated above, MS should release (and continue releasing) updates that add WP8 functionality to WP7.
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Calm down... Don't you know what a kernel change means? It's like installing linux over windows on your PC. The OEM would start from scratch, rewrite every driver on the device (cpu, gpu, display, buttons, touch, accelerometer, compass, bluetooth, wlan... And the list goes on forever), that would take about 9 months at least. The OEM would loose more money than it would get.
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Well it's of course expensive. But if Microsoft stays coherent with the kernel they could most likely reuse the code in the future. But I think the problem is hardware related. On one side there are the NFC features. Also the SecureBoot can't be integrated (at least AFAIK) only software vise. They have special hardware requirements and current phones don't meet them. Then again, the current CPUs are very fast and can run the Windows Phone 7.8 experience.
Chris, you are optimistic guy (and it's OK!) but I believe we do have more points for pessimism now...
What's happened - it's not a hardware-related but just marketing (read - stupid marketing!) issue. Microsoft is copying Apple's strategy now (probably they planned to sell own MS handsets) but without Steve Jobs magic it's hopeless...
MS public persons explanations - it's a bull****, don't trust 'em! It's like a "4 GB limitation of x86 OS'es" (what is an outrageous lie). I'm 99% sure it's happened because of two reasons:
- they want to "save" (he-he) some money for dropping old handsets support ;
- but the primary reason (I think so): they want to sell their own handsets
Also, unsuccessful WP7 marketing campaign during last two years should open our eyes...
I'd like to be optimistic but...
@sensbottom: let me correct your two mistakes there:
a) 4GB is really limit of 32bit operating systems. PAE requires the applications to support it => almost none do.
b) Supporting another system takes more money than upgrading them to the same one. Long term.
@OndaTer, first of all, I'm sensboston (Boston - it's a city on the East cost of US)
Second, read this: http://www.unawave.de/windows-7-tipps/32-bit-ram-barrier.html?lang=EN You may google for more if you want...
Third, what do you mean by "another system"? What "another" system? WP8 devices will have same CPU (arm) as current handsets; of course, adding support of current handsets should cost some money! But loosing the trust (finally) is much more expensive, you'll see it by the end of this month (even week). Just mark today's MS stock price...
Sorry, I always read it that way
a) Yes, it is called PAE, which is exactly what I wrote. Read it again! It is NOT possible to address >4GB with 32bit addresses. PAE uses 36bit addressing, but the application HAS to be compiled to be able to support the extra space!
b) "It is more money consuming (long term) to work on 7.8 line and 8.0+ line."
// I mean - application itself has only 4GB virtual space. Yes, the rest of the system can move the base of each application and thus use >4GB RAM. But note that also drivers must support it and that's why it is usually targetted at servers and it is disabled on desktops!
// ah I see what you mean - I thought that they removed it after SP2 or SP3 of XP (the issues with driver compatibility with PAE enabled).
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Chris, you are optimistic guy (and it's OK!) but I believe we do have more points for pessimism now...
What's happened - it's not a hardware-related but just marketing (read - stupid marketing!) issue. Microsoft is copying Apple's strategy now (probably they planned to sell own MS handsets) but without Steve Jobs magic it's hopeless...
MS public persons explanations - it's a bull****, don't trust 'em! It's like a "4 GB limitation of x86 OS'es" (what is an outrageous lie). I'm 99% sure it's happened because of two reasons:
- they want to "save" (he-he) some money for dropping old handsets support ;
- but the primary reason (I think so): they want to sell their own handsets
Also, unsuccessful WP7 marketing campaign during last two years should open our eyes...
I'd like to be optimistic but...
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Well, we don't really have a choice here. I cannot return my phone and I have to live with it until 2013. At the moment we should wait what Microsoft announces about the 7.8 update. The Nokia Conversations Post mentioned multiple changes in the Windows Phone 7.8 update. They also reassured that they will stay committed to delivering updates. And it's not like that our phones will suddenly stop to work. Everything will be as integrated as before.
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Well, we don't really have a choice here. I cannot return my phone and I have to live with it until 2013. At the moment we should wait what Microsoft announces about the 7.8 update. The Nokia Conversations Post mentioned multiple changes in the Windows Phone 7.8 update. They also reassured that they will stay committed to delivering updates. And it's not like that our phones will suddenly stop to work. Everything will be as integrated as before.
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THIS!
Im a little annoyed that my titan wont get the full WP8 update but im sure it will still get some new features! they've only shown WP8 once so far at a dev summit and people are saying they are going to sell there phones its mad! also i dont get people complaining that there first gen phones are getting WP8! they will be 2 years old!!! You are getting a update like apple would basically so stop complaining! If you were on android you would be out in the cold with a two year old handset most likely
WP 7.5 lacks a lot of features and we're going to be left out just like that.
This is just great. It's been like 6 months since I bought my phone and it's already outdated. Thank you MS. My phone is now nothing but a brick!
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WP 7.5 lacks a lot of features and we're going to be left out just like that.
This is just great. It's been like 6 months since I bought my phone and it's already outdated. Thank you MS. My phone is now nothing but a brick!
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ok your getting a WP7.8 update arent you? you dont know what thats going to contain yet! also by the time this comes out your phone will actually be 12 months old almost and oh yes last time i checked the phone isnt suddenly going to stop working is it!
Of the lumia 900 owners, how many of you feel cheated and angry over how Microsoft is handling WP8.
1. Yes
2. No
A little cheated. Glad MS tried with 7.8 but I'm just worried about how that will fare down the line with 22 months left on my contract. Don't think I'll be waiting to find out.
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A little cheated. Glad MS tried with 7.8 but I'm just worried about how that will fare down the line with 22 months left on my contract. Don't think I'll be waiting to find out.
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I believe it's a very good point for the class action against MS and AT&T. Just keep googling for that and be ready to join
Won my lumia 900, and I planed to get an updated wp8 device anyway, so, to answer your question, no I don't feel cheated. I might be angry at myself anyway for buying one knowing dual core was coming in a few months (if I had signed a contract)
Considering all the features coming for WP8 and 7.8 haven't been announced yet, I don't feel cheated at all. I imagine more is coming in 7.8 than they stated today. Joe Belfiore was very specific that they have MANY great things to talk about with consumer features, but that wasn't the point of the conference today.
I'll feel pretty cheated if the only features WP7.8 gets is the new start screen...
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A little cheated. Glad MS tried with 7.8 but I'm just worried about how that will fare down the line with 22 months left on my contract. Don't think I'll be waiting to find out.
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Im going to sell.
The technoweenie in me wants to buy a WP8 when it comes out, but the realistic human in me feels cheated...
I just bought the Lumia 900, and to hear that a new version of the OS is coming out soon and that the product I just bought will be un-supported and development ceased (for the most part) pisses me off...
I'm pissed off enough that I'm still waiting for a purple screen fix, and now this?
If I were a Lumia owner I'd definitely feel cheated.
Looks like the Lumia 900 is going to be the Galaxy S+ of the Windows world.
Thrown to the market and 2 months afterwards you got outdated software because the manufacturer never planned to provide updates.
Not receiving updates seems to get normal in the mobile industry in some way.
This would be the point to switch to Android for me, but I'm not a big WP7 fan I have to admit.
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land.apfel said:
If I were a Lumia owner I'd definitely feel cheated.
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Why? We don't even know the Windows Phone 7.8 features?
land.apfel said:
Thrown to the market and 2 months afterwards you got outdated software because the manufacturer never planned to provide updates.
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We've received two manufacturer updates already. And there have been at least two announced future updates... Tango and Windows Phone 7.8.
dtboos said:
Considering all the features coming for WP8 and 7.8 haven't been announced yet, I don't feel cheated at all.
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This is an interesting concept. So you think we should actually wait and see what updated features we will be getting before criticizing them? Great idea!
gbjohnson said:
Of the lumia 900 owners, how many of you feel cheated and angry over how Microsoft is handling WP8.
1. Yes
2. No
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Once all Windows Phone 8 and 7.8 are out why don't you ask this question and add a poll to your thread? Make it a good poll with at least one option that says I'm satisfied.
There is still a chance that Nokia will provide WP8 on the Lumia 800/900 isn't there? I wouldn't jump to any conclusions just yet.
Before anyone starts ranting about the announcement, Nokia is not Microsoft. Stop, think. Avoid replying anyway.
at45 said:
There is still a chance that Nokia will provide WP8 on the Lumia 800/900 isn't there? I wouldn't jump to any conclusions just yet.
Before anyone starts ranting about the announcement, Nokia is not Microsoft. Stop, think. Avoid replying anyway.
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I don't know about the Hardware requirements. I haven't watched the keynote, but I don't think they've given a NFC requirement for all phones. Interesting thought. I guess it could happen. I don't think it will, although it would be nice, of course. Then again, maybe WP7.8 will be better than thought. Who knows?
I don't understand what it is people think they will be missing. WP8 brings support for dual core, high def screens, and NFC hardware. Does your phone have any of that? No. So you wouldn't be able to enjoy those features anyway even if WP8 did run on your phone.
Ok so we may not get the true multi tasking and Skype running in the background - we don't actually know yet - but did you buy your phone only on the basis that you would definitely get that one day? Is your phone suddenly going to stop working the day WP8 comes out? Are app developers all suddenly going to abandon the installed base of users for a new OS that doesn't have one yet?
When I got my Lumia two weeks ago, I knew that there was Skype coming with "serious" integration and VoIP API for others. I also knew that Microsoft bought Skype so I was expecting it.
At least that the Lumia 800 was for free.
OndraSter said:
When I got my Lumia two weeks ago, I knew that there was Skype coming with "serious" integration and VoIP API for others. I also knew that Microsoft bought Skype so I was expecting it.
At least that the Lumia 800 was for free.
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Its always been said that skype couldnt work on WP7 due to the way the OS operates and while its not great im still happy they released some sort of app rather then not bother at all
sensboston said:
I believe it's a very good point for the class action against MS and AT&T. Just keep googling for that and be ready to join
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You can't be serious?!
Zero. Give thanks that you get 7.8. Try to image Android users still stuck on Froyo or Gingerbread. Or 3GS or iPhone 4 users moving to iOS6.
Get over it and move to the future. 8 looks to be a fantastic competitor to iOS and Android.
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Zero. Give thanks that you get 7.8. Try to image Android users still stuck on Froyo or Gingerbread. Or 3GS or iPhone 4 users moving to iOS6.
Get over it and move to the future. 8 looks to be a fantastic competitor to iOS and Android.
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This is different. The Lumia is a flagship that just came out. I'm amazed at how some of you are okay with this.
"Get over it and move to the future."?
Wtf man, what about all the people who got this on contract? You expect them to just "move to the future" and buy a new device off contract this early on?
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LOL... I think Nokia gonna do something to help out the customer who did bought the Lumia product recently... I got what you mean...
Da, it sucks to register for a device for 2 years and then stuck with it (that is why i never sign the damn contract). But i believe Windows Phone 7.8 is actually Windows Phone 8 BUT without all the functions that require the physical hardware to handle.
Time will tell. Personally, i don't feel any lost, i changed phone almost every holiday season of the year. 2010 = First Windows Phone (HD7), 2011 = Mango Windows Phone (Eternity) , 2012 = Windows Phone 8. I am curious about what HTC has to offer for us.
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I don't understand what it is people think they will be missing. WP8 brings support for dual core, high def screens, and NFC hardware. Does your phone have any of that? No. So you wouldn't be able to enjoy those features anyway even if WP8 did run on your phone.
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I think you may have just described Microsoft's reason for not updating existing phones i.e. not because they are too old or too slow but because they won't benefit enough from the new features to justify the investment.
"Microsoft’s Greg Sullivan revealed the reasons behind the company’s choice not to offer a direct upgrade from Windows Phone 7.x to Windows Phone 8.
Describing some of the latest hardware changes in Windows Phone 8, that we outline here, Sullivan explained that "the nature of the investment [in Windows Phone 8] is primarily in areas that are not exploitable by existing hardware." Windows Phone 8 introduces support for multi-core processors, amongst other things, so the "Lumia 900 getting support for using dual-core or NFC doesn't mean a lot," says Sullivan, "because it doesn't have the hardware to take advantage of that." Microsoft decided to focus its efforts on Windows Phone 8 to make it as good as it possibly could. "To do the work to bring all of those elements to a platform that can't exploit them wasn't necessarily the most efficient use of resource," explains Sullivan."
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Been thinking a bit.
I have been waiting for a Nokia WP phone since dec.2011. I'm sure that just like many of you, I have been disappointed by the lack of WP8 update.
But then, I looked at my phone.
I currently own a Motorola defy +, a device which currently is stuck at Android 2.3.4. I never got a 4.0 update for my phone. The reason? Phone stability. The community did indeed attempt to port 4.0 on my phone, but sadly, I see it as a potential failure; there are still lots of bugs to iron out, and it will take more time to fix than what I suppose the devs will ever waste time on.
Do I complain? Hardly. I complain about the OS being Android and thus a cheap, unstable OS. But nothing else.
So, 2.3 isn't that bad, and 4.0 isn't that necessary. I live with it.
Now, how I see stuff in the WP universe?
7.8 isn't that bad, and 8.0 isn't that necessary.
I live with it.
And honestly, I am really tempted to get a lumia 800. And maybe even will. I seriously doubt that cheap 8 phones will appear instantly, since people want dual-cores and more RAM, and, and...
But I think that WP7.8 will remain the cheap version of 8, and that we will even see new phones with 7.8 on board. All for the sake of OS stability.
You can't be the fastest guy with your tech stuff unless you're bloody rich.
I think most people who panicked for not having Windows 8 on their phones are more so because they think:
a) They won't have new apps instantly
b) Devs won't develop anything new instantly
c) New features won't come to their phone instantly
I've spent my Sunday watching that video from Dev summit again. I am going to swallow my posts from earlier (full of optimism, they were) and say that no, we might after all not get any features from WP8 but only the start screen. But then you know what? I am fine with that.
Just like you said, OS wise - those who purchased Lumias or Titans, surely were and are happy with the OS as it is, else why would they shell out so many pounds for a phone. Now that we've established that people are happy with their phone in the state in which they bought it, let us talk about 'support'.
I am fine with the whole idea because, I have convinced myself that new apps won't stop coming instantly, devs won't stop developing instantly, new features won't stop coming to my phone instantly. For at least another year after the launch of WP8, things will stay as they are. Then, WP *might* die. Because I haven't forgotten how long it took them to kill WM6.5, I know it will take them even longer while Nokia uses their Lumias as low end phones.
Here is an example - An Eclair (2.1 phone) is still being sold and purchased for about £190 on play.com while we have what 2 or 3 (?) Android ICS phones out in the wild? http://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/...apixel-Touch-Screen-Mobile-Phone/Product.html
Now if you consider WP7.8 to be WP ICS, then by that analogy, WP7.5 is an Froyo phone for WP range. I don't see why Nokia or any other OEMs can't offer at least for another year, WP7.8 (aka ICS WP) along with WP8 (aka Jelly bean WP). Nokia's Lumia 710 (Mango aka Froyo-like) phone is being sold for £130 currently anyway!
At least for WP, ALL apps and games run on its Eclair (pre-NoDo), Froyo (Mango), Gingerbread (Tango), WP7.8 (ICS) and WP8 (Jelly bean)!
What we are forgetting in mid of all these first world crisis is that Nokia's attempt to save itself also includes re-entering the market + attracting those feature phone users for whom WP7 or WP7.5 or WP7.8 = a smartphone because they need a phone to text, call, email and use couple of apps at max!
I am going to leave this post here and will come back to say I told you so (hopefully) a year after WP8 launch, when MSFT would have supported all the Lumias and Titans for 18 months at least by then
That is the big question: what will the Windows Phone answer for the low-end and emerging market? Will it be these running 7.8 or 8? Honestly, I cannot see Microsoft wanting both to co-exist for very long.
To MS, 7 has not been exactly a big hit with the general public. Plus, I would think that Microsoft would want to get all Windows Phone users onto 8 as soon as possible. That way, they can grow the platform the fastest without being dragged down by the old OS. When WP8 launches later this year, they want a big splash where lots of people buy into it right away. They cannot afford no interest or even a lackluster response. That is why I think Nokia and/or Microsoft should consider a trade-in program where WP7 users get some sort of discount on a WP8 device. At least this way, the tech news websites will report that WP8 is off to a great start. When 7 was launched, there were sites that called it DOA.
drupad2drupad said:
I think most people who panicked for not having Windows 8 on their phones are more so because they think:
a) They won't have new apps instantly
b) Devs won't develop anything new instantly
c) New features won't come to their phone instantly
I've spent my Sunday watching that video from Dev summit again. I am going to swallow my posts from earlier (full of optimism, they were) and say that no, we might after all not get any features from WP8 but only the start screen. But then you know what? I am fine with that.
Just like you said, OS wise - those who purchased Lumias or Titans, surely were and are happy with the OS as it is, else why would they shell out so many pounds for a phone. Now that we've established that people are happy with their phone in the state in which they bought it, let us talk about 'support'.
I am fine with the whole idea because, I have convinced myself that new apps won't stop coming instantly, devs won't stop developing instantly, new features won't stop coming to my phone instantly. For at least another year after the launch of WP8, things will stay as they are. Then, WP *might* die. Because I haven't forgotten how long it took them to kill WM6.5, I know it will take them even longer while Nokia uses their Lumias as low end phones.
Here is an example - An Eclair (2.1 phone) is still being sold and purchased for about £190 on play.com while we have what 2 or 3 (?) Android ICS phones out in the wild? http://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/...apixel-Touch-Screen-Mobile-Phone/Product.html
Now if you consider WP7.8 to be WP ICS, then by that analogy, WP7.5 is an Froyo phone for WP range. I don't see why Nokia or any other OEMs can't offer at least for another year, WP7.8 (aka ICS WP) along with WP8 (aka Jelly bean WP). Nokia's Lumia 710 (Mango aka Froyo-like) phone is being sold for £130 currently anyway!
At least for WP, ALL apps and games run on its Eclair (pre-NoDo), Froyo (Mango), Gingerbread (Tango), WP7.8 (ICS) and WP8 (Jelly bean)!
What we are forgetting in mid of all these first world crisis is that Nokia's attempt to save itself also includes re-entering the market + attracting those feature phone users for whom WP7 or WP7.5 or WP7.8 = a smartphone because they need a phone to text, call, email and use couple of apps at max!
I am going to leave this post here and will come back to say I told you so (hopefully) a year after WP8 launch, when MSFT would have supported all the Lumias and Titans for 18 months at least by then
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And may I add to those users who purchased your phones in the last 6 months, what is wrong with your phone now? Has it contracted a mobile virus since last Wednesday that has rendered it useless? Does it not perform the same as the day you bought it? If your answer is "no" to any of the above, then you need to see a professional. You have panicked yourselves into a frenzy that requires medication.
drupad2drupad said:
I think most people who panicked for not having Windows 8 on their phones are more so because they think:
a) They won't have new apps instantly
b) Devs won't develop anything new instantly
c) New features won't come to their phone instantly
I've spent my Sunday watching that video from Dev summit again. I am going to swallow my posts from earlier (full of optimism, they were) and say that no, we might after all not get any features from WP8 but only the start screen. But then you know what? I am fine with that.
Just like you said, OS wise - those who purchased Lumias or Titans, surely were and are happy with the OS as it is, else why would they shell out so many pounds for a phone. Now that we've established that people are happy with their phone in the state in which they bought it, let us talk about 'support'.
I am fine with the whole idea because, I have convinced myself that new apps won't stop coming instantly, devs won't stop developing instantly, new features won't stop coming to my phone instantly. For at least another year after the launch of WP8, things will stay as they are. Then, WP *might* die. Because I haven't forgotten how long it took them to kill WM6.5, I know it will take them even longer while Nokia uses their Lumias as low end phones.
Here is an example - An Eclair (2.1 phone) is still being sold and purchased for about £190 on play.com while we have what 2 or 3 (?) Android ICS phones out in the wild? http://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/...apixel-Touch-Screen-Mobile-Phone/Product.html
Now if you consider WP7.8 to be WP ICS, then by that analogy, WP7.5 is an Froyo phone for WP range. I don't see why Nokia or any other OEMs can't offer at least for another year, WP7.8 (aka ICS WP) along with WP8 (aka Jelly bean WP). Nokia's Lumia 710 (Mango aka Froyo-like) phone is being sold for £130 currently anyway!
At least for WP, ALL apps and games run on its Eclair (pre-NoDo), Froyo (Mango), Gingerbread (Tango), WP7.8 (ICS) and WP8 (Jelly bean)!
What we are forgetting in mid of all these first world crisis is that Nokia's attempt to save itself also includes re-entering the market + attracting those feature phone users for whom WP7 or WP7.5 or WP7.8 = a smartphone because they need a phone to text, call, email and use couple of apps at max!
I am going to leave this post here and will come back to say I told you so (hopefully) a year after WP8 launch, when MSFT would have supported all the Lumias and Titans for 18 months at least by then
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Change the third instantly to forever and change another two instantly to probably would be the correct answer, though no one would like to commit the fact.:cyclops:
A smartphone without proper apps is just a dumbphone. For those who lives well without apps, low end Android and Symbian phones would fit their needs while saving their money, why bother spending more than 500EUR for such a device? (Don't tell me the AT&T offer unless you can bring it worldwide) Let's see how M$ deal with this situation.
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And may I add to those users who purchased your phones in the last 6 months, what is wrong with your phone now? Has it contracted a mobile virus since last Wednesday that has rendered it useless? Does it not perform the same as the day you bought it? If your answer is "no" to any of the above, then you need to see a professional. You have panicked yourselves into a frenzy that requires medication.
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lol you think you are smart by saing that...but you dont know everything...you haven't considered a lot of things.
Do you consider it is fair...for a user to spend 400€ for a high end device, only to find 3 months later that all the support (updates + apps) is gone?
Make no mistake...a smart dev will code for wp8 because he writes 1app and he gets 3, with very little effort. And so the apps for wp7 will stop flowing...and a phone with no apps is allmost useless. To demonstrate this...try reseting your phone and use it without any aditional apps for a month...see how that turns out.
More over, MS is refering to 2nd gen as legacy devices, as if my lumia 800 was released in 2005, and there is talk that wp 7.8 devices will be sold as a low end version of wp8 Thats exactly what i imagined when i made the switch to lumia and please tell me how would you feel if you phone, that you worked so hard to get, would be considered a low-end device in a few months
MS is making this even worse by not porting all the possible features to wp 7.8.
So pls excuse me if i vent my anger on MS and ppl like you that support its decision so blindly.
Yes i am very happy with my lumia and this will not change, but the public opinion will.
You must understand that the current wp users, as myself, made the decision to go with WP because we didnt like android and ios, even if everyone uses ios and android. We, as wp users where going to battle against ios and android showing that it can be done better. I saw great potential in the OS and trusted MS and Nokia to deliver. Insted the whole thing backfires and MS abandons its efforts on the OS and breaks all promises and trust to the users.
People like me are beging to realise the actual interst of a company, and this is sad because we trusted MS, they involve themselves in so many student projects and are not afraid to inovate, but they dont really care about the users, they just care about the money. They abandoned wm 6.5 now wp 7.8 ... Whats next
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Do you consider it is fair...for a user to spend 400€ for a high end device, only to find 3 months later that all the support (updates + apps) is gone?
Make no mistake...a smart dev will code for wp8 because he writes 1app and he gets 3, with very little effort. And so the apps for wp7 will stop flowing...and a phone with no apps is allmost useless. To demonstrate this...try reseting your phone and use it without any aditional apps for a month...see how that turns out.
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I myself have considered a lot of things about the WP7.8 update, but I didn't realize MS disallows the use of apps as soon as WP8 is released... oh, wait. it doesn't!
The WP7 Marketplace will not instantly disappear. You will still be able to install all of the apps already in the marketplace. Granted, the flow of apps *might* slow down but surely it wont stop instantly seeing as WP8 needs to gain adoption before being a reasonable mobile ecosystem to abandon WP7. But WP7 has a magnitude of apps already available to its disposal that cover a lot of functions so your phone will not be useless unless it is already useless.
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Do you consider it is fair...for a user to spend 400€ for a high end device, only to find 3 months later that all the support (updates + apps) is gone?
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Thats odd, I must admit... You claim that WP7 won't be updated, but later on you acknowledge that WP7.8 is coming - don't you feel you're contradicting yourself just a little bit?
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and please tell me how would you feel if you phone, that you worked so hard to get, would be considered a low-end device in a few months
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First, I never realized that Nokia stated that the Lumia 800 is a high-end device as it was clearly NOT - it was a common knowledge that Nokia can and will introduce a more advanced device after the Lumia 800 (which was indeed the Lumia 900) and moreover - even the Lumia 900 was not supposed to be "high-end" but more of a "mid-high-end" as high-end devices which are TRULY high-end and are already sold in the market (with dual and quad cores) are not supported in the current version of WP7, and the MS-Nokia hardware leap will not occur until WP8 is released...
Ah, and BTW - A device which you just bought theoretically WILL BE old and maybe even low-end in just a few months. Thats the nature of this market, where the technology pace is leaping a whole generation in less than a year - you can NEVER win this race, you just have to buy the most suitable device for you at the moment and replace it after a year if you wish to keep yourself "up-to-date" hardware-wise...
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lol you think you are smart by saing that...but you dont know everything...you haven't considered a lot of things.
Do you consider it is fair...for a user to spend 400€ for a high end device, only to find 3 months later that all the support (updates + apps) is gone?
Make no mistake...a smart dev will code for wp8 because he writes 1app and he gets 3, with very little effort. And so the apps for wp7 will stop flowing...and a phone with no apps is allmost useless. To demonstrate this...try reseting your phone and use it without any aditional apps for a month...see how that turns out.
More over, MS is refering to 2nd gen as legacy devices, as if my lumia 800 was released in 2005, and there is talk that wp 7.8 devices will be sold as a low end version of wp8 Thats exactly what i imagined when i made the switch to lumia and please tell me how would you feel if you phone, that you worked so hard to get, would be considered a low-end device in a few months
MS is making this even worse by not porting all the possible features to wp 7.8.
So pls excuse me if i vent my anger on MS and ppl like you that support its decision so blindly.
Yes i am very happy with my lumia and this will not change, but the public opinion will.
You must understand that the current wp users, as myself, made the decision to go with WP because we didnt like android and ios, even if everyone uses ios and android. We, as wp users where going to battle against ios and android showing that it can be done better. I saw great potential in the OS and trusted MS and Nokia to deliver. Insted the whole thing backfires and MS abandons its efforts on the OS and breaks all promises and trust to the users.
People like me are beging to realise the actual interst of a company, and this is sad because we trusted MS, they involve themselves in so many student projects and are not afraid to inovate, but they dont really care about the users, they just care about the money. They abandoned wm 6.5 now wp 7.8 ... Whats next
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I may not be as smart as you since you seem to have a crystal ball that the rest of us lack. Please provide one link, just one will do, where Microsoft has said that "all the support (updates + apps) is gone?". You've been a member here since January so I'm confident you have read articles regarding the state of affairs with Windows Phone. In all that time you didn't catch one single article that stated that legacy devices were probably NOT going to get Apollo? That's a 50/50 proposition. If you like those odds then Vegas is your kind of town. Oh wait, that's right, you have a crystal ball. Face it, you saved up some money and were itching to go out and spend it immediately without considering that tech items change very rapidly.
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Just few questions guys.
1. MSFT and other WP manufacturers are still selling WP7 devices. If you want a WP, are you gonna buy now? Why?
2. Is it worthy to buy WP7 at this time? Why?
3. I have WP7 2nd Gen, are you going to advise me to buy WP8 when it come out in market? why?
By the way, I have heard that Nokia dropped sales at its worst in 16 yrs after MSFT announced that they(MSFT) are not gonna update current WP device to WP8. Some manufacturers stopped WP7 production and will wait until WP8 came out. But some won't participate in WP8 trend.
4. What might be the reason why Nokia's sales went down in full blast? I believe some other manufacturers have the same scenario but not as same as what happened with Nokia.
5. What do you think why WP sales went down?
efektos said:
Thats odd, I must admit... You claim that WP7 won't be updated, but later on you acknowledge that WP7.8 is coming - don't you feel you're contradicting yourself just a little bit?
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After the 7.8 startscreen lands on current 7.5 hardware you can wave BB to updates...thats it...MS will be all about the new wp8. Pls dont play stupid on this..you know what we are talking about.
efektos said:
First, I never realized that Nokia stated that the Lumia 800 is a high-end device as it was clearly NOT - it was a common knowledge that Nokia can and will introduce a more advanced device after the Lumia 800 (which was indeed the Lumia 900) and moreover - even the Lumia 900 was not supposed to be "high-end" but more of a "mid-high-end" as high-end devices which are TRULY high-end and are already sold in the market (with dual and quad cores) are not supported in the current version of WP7, and the MS-Nokia hardware leap will not occur until WP8 is released...
Ah, and BTW - A device which you just bought theoretically WILL BE old and maybe even low-end in just a few months. Thats the nature of this market, where the technology pace is leaping a whole generation in less than a year - you can NEVER win this race, you just have to buy the most suitable device for you at the moment and replace it after a year if you wish to keep yourself "up-to-date" hardware-wise...
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a giro and a ff camera dosen't make a phone that much better 800 and 900 are almost the same, except the 900 was built primarily as an US device, while the 800 has the right form factor for EU and Asia.
I wont debate over what you said about the lumia 800 not being high end...its a matter of opinion. Actually I'll go into into in just a bit
For example i dont find the GSIII to be a better phone. I dosent matter how many CPUs you have and how much ram...its how you use those resources..and that GSIII still lags...but other users that are not so mad with android...might like it 10 times more than a lumia. It depends on what you like, and over the years, I realized its a loosing battle trying to convince someone that your point of view is the right one.
That being said, I think you are missing the point I was trying to make in my post, your reply is offtopic, and i have the feeling you are arguing just for the sake or arguing.
ebautista said:
Just few questions guys.
1. MSFT and other WP manufacturers are still selling WP7 devices. If you want a WP, are you gonna buy now? Why?
2. Is it worthy to buy WP7 at this time? Why?
3. I have WP7 2nd Gen, are you going to advise me to buy WP8 when it come out in market? why?
By the way, I have heard that Nokia dropped sales at its worst in 16 yrs after MSFT announced that they(MSFT) are not gonna update current WP device to WP8. Some manufacturers stopped WP7 production and will wait until WP8 came out. But some won't participate in WP8 trend.
4. What might be the reason why Nokia's sales went down in full blast? I believe some other manufacturers have the same scenario but not as same as what happened with Nokia.
4. What do you think why WP sales went down?
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You said "4." 2 times.
fatclue said:
I may not be as smart as you since you seem to have a crystal ball that the rest of us lack. Please provide one link, just one will do, where Microsoft has said that "all the support (updates + apps) is gone?". You've been a member here since January so I'm confident you have read articles regarding the state of affairs with Windows Phone. In all that time you didn't catch one single article that stated that legacy devices were probably NOT going to get Apollo? That's a 50/50 proposition. If you like those odds then Vegas is your kind of town. Oh wait, that's right, you have a crystal ball. Face it, you saved up some money and were itching to go out and spend it immediately without considering that tech items change very rapidly.
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i believe it will not "gone". But slowly will go down. If WP8 will release, developers will be divided. Some will do native (C/C++), some will stay in wp7 coz MSFT said WP7 apps will still run in WP8, and some will do both but of course eventually will stop supporting wp7 as time goes.
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OptimusLove said:
You said "4." 2 times.
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updated. thanks man!
fatclue said:
I may not be as smart as you since you seem to have a crystal ball that the rest of us lack. Please provide one link, just one will do, where Microsoft has said that "all the support (updates + apps) is gone?". You've been a member here since January so I'm confident you have read articles regarding the state of affairs with Windows Phone. In all that time you didn't catch one single article that stated that legacy devices were probably NOT going to get Apollo? That's a 50/50 proposition. If you like those odds then Vegas is your kind of town. Oh wait, that's right, you have a crystal ball. Face it, you saved up some money and were itching to go out and spend it immediately without considering that tech items change very rapidly.
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I dont have a crystal ball, i have a brain, and im not sure which one of those two you're missing.
Think about it, what happened to WM6.5? how many updates did the OS get after it was ditched? not to mention that the store was closed. What do you think it will happen to WP7.x ? crystal ball anyone ?
I know how things run in the industry, I've been taking part in this for a long time, but i have never seen something fade this quickly. The lumia phones are not even a year old
who does this?? apple? i dont think so, you can still get new apps on a 3GS that is a 3 year old phone...google?? no...you can get all the stuff you like and more on a galaxy S or htc desire, 2 years old....and you will continue to get new stuff for much more.
look..its not about Apollo, its about the fact that wp8 apps cant run on wp7 hardware....this is fatal for 7.x
because of this the app well will dry out, the big players will code on wp8 and all the new stuff will be there...even if there are devs still loyal to wp7.x...the game is over for the 7.x market.
If you take into consideration other platforms, this wasn't supposed to happen...and thats why people are mad, because they feel used, we where like bait used just to get to 100000 apps, then thrown away ... you cant blame the people for feeling this way...I think they have every rite to do so, but hey should be mad on MS, and somehow i think Nokia will be more affected ...
continuity is key in this war of ecosystems.
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I dont have a crystal ball, i have a brain, and im not sure which one of those two you're missing.
Think about it, what happened to WM6.5? how many updates did the OS get after it was ditched? not to mention that the store was closed. What do you think it will happen to WP7.x ? crystal ball anyone ?
I know how things run in the industry, I've been taking part in this for a long time, but i have never seen something fade this quickly. The lumia phones are not even a year old
who does this?? apple? i dont think so, you can still get new apps on a 3GS that is a 3 year old phone...google?? no...you can get all the stuff you like and more on a galaxy S or htc desire, 2 years old....and you will continue to get new stuff for much more.
look..its not about Apollo, its about the fact that wp8 apps cant run on wp7 hardware....this is fatal for 7.x
because of this the app well will dry out, the big players will code on wp8 and all the new stuff will be there...even if there are devs still loyal to wp7.x...the game is over for the 7.x market.
If you take into consideration other platforms, this wasn't supposed to happen...and thats why people are mad, because they feel used, we where like bait used just to get to 100000 apps, then thrown away ... you cant blame the people for feeling this way...I think they have every rite to do so, but hey should be mad on MS, and somehow i think Nokia will be more affected ...
continuity is key in this war of ecosystems.
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In case you missed it, the 6.5 Marketplace shut down last month. Yes, May 2012. Sorry Sparky, your gloom and doom forecasts are way out of whack. I still use WM and it works the same, if not better than, as it did 3 years ago. There is no self-destruct button on these things once a newer system comes to town. Face it, technology moves faster than your 2-year contract. Why do I even bother wasting my time? I'm out.
I own lumia 800. The OS 7.5 doesn't have the basic features like call timer in call history. Do you think we can live with that. I bought this phone trusting MS and nokia that they would bring in the proper updates. Now its all gone... I am a loyal user of windows phone. I am using windows phone since WM 2003 SE.
EDIT: WP 7 & 7.5 were only a beta test!!! They USED us
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1. MSFT and other WP manufacturers are still selling WP7 devices. If you want a WP, are you gonna buy now? Why?
I will not buy a WP ever again. Only some one who doesnt know anything about the phone would buy Wp 7 now.
2. Is it worthy to buy WP7 at this time? Why?
NO
3. I have WP7 2nd Gen, are you going to advise me to buy WP8 when it come out in market? why?
We have spent a fortune buying lumia 800 and 900 we dont want to spend again atleast for 1.5 or 2 years
By the way, I have heard that Nokia dropped sales at its worst in 16 yrs after MSFT announced that they(MSFT) are not gonna update current WP device to WP8. Some manufacturers stopped WP7 production and will wait until WP8 came out. But some won't participate in WP8 trend.
4. What might be the reason why Nokia's sales went down in full blast? I believe some other manufacturers have the same scenario but not as same as what happened with Nokia.
They would have anticipated it but not this much. Maybe MS is playing in such a way to reduce the market share of nokia to buy it for cheap price
5. What do you think why WP sales went down?
Word of mouth. I tell everyone not to buy a WP
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I own lumia 800. The OS 7.5 doesn't have the basic features like call timer in call history. Do you think we can live with that. I bought this phone trusting MS and nokia that they would bring in the proper updates. Now its all gone... I am a loyal user of windows phone. I am using windows phone since WM 2003 SE.
EDIT: WP 7 & 7.5 were only a beta test!!! They USED us
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1. MSFT and other WP manufacturers are still selling WP7 devices. If you want a WP, are you gonna buy now? Why?
I will not buy a WP ever again. Only some one who doesnt know anything about the phone would buy Wp 7 now.
2. Is it worthy to buy WP7 at this time? Why?
NO
3. I have WP7 2nd Gen, are you going to advise me to buy WP8 when it come out in market? why?
We have spent a fortune buying lumia 800 and 900 we dont want to spend again atleast for 1.5 or 2 years
By the way, I have heard that Nokia dropped sales at its worst in 16 yrs after MSFT announced that they(MSFT) are not gonna update current WP device to WP8. Some manufacturers stopped WP7 production and will wait until WP8 came out. But some won't participate in WP8 trend.
4. What might be the reason why Nokia's sales went down in full blast? I believe some other manufacturers have the same scenario but not as same as what happened with Nokia.
They would have anticipated it but not this much. Maybe MS is playing in such a way to reduce the market share of nokia to buy it for cheap price
5. What do you think why WP sales went down?
Word of mouth. I tell everyone not to buy a WP
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What are you going to buy instead?
Android? Never guranteed to upgrade and most apps only work on top end devices
iPhone? same UI as last 4 years, and one year old iPhone being left out of big features
The grass is not greener on the other side.
On the contary Nokia have the best record of updating phones out of any manufacturers out there. Even my Nokia 5800 which is now 4 years old still gets regular updates.
1/ Android does many things. It is nearly complete feature-wise. My HTC G2 runs like a champ. Plus everybody knows about droid fragmented updates but they don't care, the thing is live, not beta.
2/ I hate iPhone because it is expensive and full of fanboism. Still it is better for 1 year old phone to miss only one or two exclusively new features than a six-month old to get only one new visual feature and miss out the functional rest. See the difference there?
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What are you going to buy instead?
Android? Never guranteed to upgrade and most apps only work on top end devices
iPhone? same UI as last 4 years, and one year old iPhone being left out of big features
The grass is not greener on the other side.
On the contary Nokia have the best record of updating phones out of any manufacturers out there. Even my Nokia 5800 which is now 4 years old still gets regular updates.
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v_garg said:
What are you going to buy instead?
Android? Never guranteed to upgrade and most apps only work on top end devices
iPhone? same UI as last 4 years, and one year old iPhone being left out of big features
The grass is not greener on the other side.
On the contary Nokia have the best record of updating phones out of any manufacturers out there. Even my Nokia 5800 which is now 4 years old still gets regular updates.
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I will even consider buying blackberry or iPhone just for their customer support which is way better than MS support.
WP8 has a user base of zero right now - and is unlikely to be more than WP7 by the end of the year .. why will devs not write for wp7 as well as WP8 ? for the majority of apps the Silverlight/XNA is fine.. for the Apps for which this not true then they won't run anyhow.. not at all like WM6.5 - in that case none of the apps were x-compatible to WP7 and you had to start again.. clearly not the case here..
Oh, and what's with the "M$" nonsense - like Google & Apple don't care about $$$ ? - duh I forgot those guys channel all their profits into searching for a cure for cancer...
I am an Engineer and not a programmer so feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
As you all know, the WP8 sdk leaked and features started popping up on the Web.
I am surprised that many of these features are very simple basic and I am not understanding why they can't be offered to Wp7 in the 7.8 update. I am talking about the sms backup, screen shot capabilities, multiple selection of photos, etc...
I understand that WP8 is based on a different OS architecture but these feature are nowhere so great and demanding in terms of code and hardware usage. WP8 apps may not be compatible because of the programming language, but these features shouldn't fall in the same category.
What do you guys think?
Agreed!
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How many people from Microsoft have to say that more than just the start screen is coming before people get the idea that more stuff is coming?
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How many people from Microsoft have to say that more than just the start screen is coming before people get the idea that more stuff is coming?
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Agreed. The reports I read said that the new start screen was the only thing they were going to discuss at this time. More stuff is bound to be discussed as we get closer to the 7.8 release date.
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I think the fact that we're seeing a bit of stuff that's not hardware dependent is a good indicator of what will most likely come over in 7.8
All of the WP8 features I've seen leaked from the SDK are very basic and nothing groundbreaking....its more or less just catching up with the features already in iOS/Android. All these features can run on 1st Gen hardware (except for the obvious ones..i.e. NFC). Only reason they wouldn't include these in 7.8 is a lack of interest in supporting older devices
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All the WP8 features, other than multi-core support, can be ported over to WinCE/WP7 with some work. It is always a business decision, not that technological deficiency. If MS wants to continue supporting WP7/WinCE eco-system, it needs to devote significant amount of resources to do so. Given that this old eco-system (WinCE has been > 10 years of lifespan) isn't catch up with consumers at all (a lot of the features lack in WP7 actually existed in old Windows Mobile), it is kind of waste of investment in MS' point of view. On the other hand, the new WP8 core, based largely on Win8, is a new start. What you see so far is just a begining. There will be much more features and capabilities come to WP8 than you can ever imagined for WP7. If all goes out well, this new OS will be far superior than anything Android or iOS can ever be.
They're releasing a new OS that can only be run on new hardware, this happens in the computer world all of the time... And smartphones are basically just pocket sized computers... How come this question isn't posed every time a new computer OS is no longer supported on old hardware? It's illogical to complain about it when it happens on Windows Phones but be fine with it when it happens on Windows computers.
Things change, they're giving us better hardware and a better operating system. They're doing this because people like us gave them the incentive to expand the Windows Phone platform... We are getting what we wanted, Microsoft is showing no signs of abandoning Windows Phones, they're doing the opposite. Why exactly does any Windows Phone supporter have a problem with that?
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They're releasing a new OS that can only be run on new hardware, this happens in the computer world all of the time... And smartphones are basically just pocket sized computers... How come this question isn't posed every time a new computer OS is no longer supported on old hardware? It's illogical to complain about it when it happens on Windows Phones but be fine with it when it happens on Windows computers.
Things change, they're giving us better hardware and a better operating system. They're doing this because people like us gave them the incentive to expand the Windows Phone platform... We are getting what we wanted, Microsoft is showing no signs of abandoning Windows Phones, they're doing the opposite. Why exactly does any Windows Phone supporter have a problem with that?
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Why complain?....because the 1 gen hardware can handle the basic features that have been presented thus far. You don't need dual-cores to run the same applications just with more customizable options. That's why in my previous post I stated there's no reason these basic additions shouldn't be in WP 7.8, unless there is a lack of interest in supporting older gens
If you compare it to PCs, Windows 7 can support very old hardware...by old I mean 6-8 years old. That is a reasonable span of time to ask someone to upgrade their hardware
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Why complain?....because the 1 gen hardware can handle the basic features that have been presented thus far. You don't need dual-cores to run the same applications just with more customizable options. That's why in my previous post I stated there's no reason these basic additions shouldn't be in WP 7.8, unless there is a lack of interest in supporting older gens
If you compare it to PCs, Windows 7 can support very old hardware...by old I mean 6-8 years old. That is a reasonable span of time to ask someone to upgrade their hardware
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What have you read that no one else has? MS has not, (again, has not) said this stuff was only for WP8. As you just mentioned, much of this stuff can run on the first gen products. But nowhere has anyone said, with any evidence, that these features are guaranteed to not show up on 7.8.
Ans before you continue to complain about things that are neither confirmed or denied, remember that MS is not the only company that does this. Apple is notorious for doing this. Example; Why can't I upgrade my 2007 Mac Book Pro to Mtn Lion? It uses the same processor fabrication process and features almost the same technology as the 2010 models, yet mine can not have Mtn Lion. It gets even more annoying when you consider the difference between Lion and Mtn Lion is very small.
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What have you read that no one else has? MS has not, (again, has not) said this stuff was only for WP8. As you just mentioned, much of this stuff can run on the first gen products. But nowhere has anyone said, with any evidence, that these features are guaranteed to not show up on 7.8.
Ans before you continue to complain about things that are neither confirmed or denied, remember that MS is not the only company that does this. Apple is notorious for doing this. Example; Why can't I upgrade my 2007 Mac Book Pro to Mtn Lion? It uses the same processor fabrication process and features almost the same technology as the 2010 models, yet mine can not have Mtn Lion. It gets even more annoying when you consider the difference between Lion and Mtn Lion is very small.
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guys all those complaints are base less until microsoft come out and publicly say what we will have and dont have on the first gen devices..
for sure no multicore support, no NFC, no high res screen support...
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Ans before you continue to complain about things that are neither confirmed or denied, remember that MS is not the only company that does this. Apple is notorious for doing this. Example; Why can't I upgrade my 2007 Mac Book Pro to Mtn Lion? It uses the same processor fabrication process and features almost the same technology as the 2010 models, yet mine can not have Mtn Lion. It gets even more annoying when you consider the difference between Lion and Mtn Lion is very small.
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This should be an incentive for Microsoft to beat the competition and offer similar support to their pc lineup. I hate how things are always compared to apple with Apple being taken as the God example.
If apple is terrible in this domain, this doesn't mean that other companies should take it as a habit and get away with it.
I don't think Apple is a great company. I've had my ups and downs with them. They just happen to be a really good example of "built in obsolescence."
I honestly don't think there is one person that can actually say they bought their WP7/7.5 phone based off of WP8 features. The WP8 v.s. WP7.8 changes nothing about how awesome you thought this phone was the first day you had it.
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I don't think Apple is a great company. I've had my ups and downs with them. They just happen to be a really good example of "built in obsolescence."
I honestly don't think there is one person that can actually say they bought their WP7/7.5 phone based off of WP8 features. The WP8 v.s. WP7.8 changes nothing about how awesome you thought this phone was the first day you had it.
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Oh I am not complaining at all. The phone is awesomely amazing. It's just that some of the new features are too basic and still catching up to the competition that I think should come to 7.8.
If MS planned on doing that, they would've created some hype about it.
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What have you read that no one else has? MS has not, (again, has not) said this stuff was only for WP8. As you just mentioned, much of this stuff can run on the first gen products. But nowhere has anyone said, with any evidence, that these features are guaranteed to not show up on 7.8.
Ans before you continue to complain about things that are neither confirmed or denied, remember that MS is not the only company that does this. Apple is notorious for doing this. Example; Why can't I upgrade my 2007 Mac Book Pro to Mtn Lion? It uses the same processor fabrication process and features almost the same technology as the 2010 models, yet mine can not have Mtn Lion. It gets even more annoying when you consider the difference between Lion and Mtn Lion is very small.
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Never said anyone publicly released statements saying the features will be in 7.8, I said there's no reason why the hardware can't handle it.
And according to Apple: http://www.apple.com/osx/specs/ , your 2007 Macbook pro is compatible with Mountain Lion.
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And according to Apple: http://www.apple.com/osx/specs/ , your 2007 Macbook pro is compatible with Mountain Lion.
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My MBP counts as "early" because it was a few weeks before they made the upgrade. I got almost $500 off of the retail price so I'm not too sad about it, just confused.
Off topic: Running Mountain Lion on my 2007 MBP, breathed new life into this thing. Runs so much faster. (I did a clean format, not upgrade.)
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My MBP counts as "early" because it was a few weeks before they made the upgrade. I got almost $500 off of the retail price so I'm not too sad about it, just confused.
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Only difference i see with yours and the Mid/Late 2007 Macbook Pros is the GPU is slower. My guess would be to cut costs by dropping support for older hardware. But either way 5 years is an OK life span to be supported, not great by any means though. And i agree with you, Mountain Lion really isn't much of an upgrade over Lion so it does seem stupid to drop it. I have a early 08' White Macbook so mine is dropped also. I have Lion on it at the moment but honestly Snow Leopard ran smoother, probably due to the crappy Intel X3100 GPU lol
That's probably it. Stupid GPU.
But the thing is, I really don't see MS doing that to customers. AFAIK 7.8 is coming out shortly after 8, so it is very possible that MS wants to see what features people use most so they can focus on bringing those to 7.8. I just have a feeling MS is more in tune with their users than Apple is, but that isn't saying much.
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That's probably it. Stupid GPU.
But the thing is, I really don't see MS doing that to customers. AFAIK 7.8 is coming out shortly after 8, so it is very possible that MS wants to see what features people use most so they can focus on bringing those to 7.8. I just have a feeling MS is more in tune with their users than Apple is, but that isn't saying much.
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Yea it will be nice if they include many of the added basic functionality to 7.8 that ive seen leaked from the WP8 SDK. I've seen lots of people commenting on different tech sites stating that MS would be wasting money/time supporting their older phone OS/Hardware, and to move ahead with the new OS.
I don't see it as wasting money, i see it as investing in customer satisfaction. If you keep the customers, that have invested in your platform, happy by showing you will support them....i promise you most of them will return to buy your new platform
I'm excited for WP8. From all the leaks so far I really like what I see coming down the pipeline, and look forward to the full unveiling in a few weeks. But, I seriously think that both 7.8 and WP8 are equally critical to the platform's growth hut for different reasons.
Microsoft has shown that itself will release updates and in a timely manner, as along as the hardware supports it. But I think they need to port over as much of these features to 7.8 as possible:
New start screen
New accent colors
Keyboard matches accent colors
Custom Hub
Wallet Hub
Option to select
Equalizer options for music and video hub
Not everyone is able to break contract and upgrade, and some people do like their WP7 devices (I like my Focus S, even though I'm on T Mobile).
Question for all: would those features above be enough to satisfy those on WP7 for a while?
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I'm excited for WP8. From all the leaks so far I really like what I see coming down the pipeline, and look forward to the full unveiling in a few weeks. But, I seriously think that both 7.8 and WP8 are equally critical to the platform's growth hut for different reasons.
Microsoft has shown that itself will release updates and in a timely manner, as along as the hardware supports it. But I think they need to port over as much of these features to 7.8 as possible:
New start screen
New accent colors
Keyboard matches accent colors
Custom Hub
Wallet Hub
Option to select
Equalizer options for music and video hub
Not everyone is able to break contract and upgrade, and some people do like their WP7 devices (I like my Focus S, even though I'm on T Mobile).
Question for all: would those features above be enough to satisfy those on WP7 for a while?
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for what you need a wallet hub if you dont have an NFC chip built in a wp7 device? and some of you askings are already there i use 7.8 and have the new start screen, some new colors are also there. And i can tell you i'am realy good served with 7.8 and the feature set of 7.5! belive me that most people would buy an 7.8 before an wp8 device, i think of normal consumers. Normal consumers want "cheaper phones" but good phones, that an Lumia 900 on 7.8 for me and it cost now only a half of a lumia 920! is the lumia 920 realy worth twice? i think no! generally speaking as a long time wp7 user. It has not so much new features which are worth now to pay 600€ for a lumia 920. and with the lumia price drop to about 320€ it is only the half. it can be also found to 300€.
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for what you need a wallet hub if you dont have an NFC chip built in a wp7 device?
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Same way as iOS has passbook app? They don't have NFC but passbook can help keep stuff in one place secure - boarding passes, credit cards, store cards blah blah.
So yeah wallet hub can have possible uses even without any NFC support.
Remember that only hits of the early 7.8 build are out there and there is so much Microsoft hasn't announced for WP8 itself yet. Is the new Office hardware dependent? I would love the Wallet hub to use it like Passbook on iOS. WP8 may not be hack friendly with the new restrictions so I dunno how willing devs will be to port over features to 7.8. I own both a G Nex and a Focus S and I love my Focus S more. WP is such a pretty looking and solid OS I still think Microsoft shouldn't completely bury the WP7 phones in order to move forward with WP8.
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Remember that only hits of the early 7.8 build are out there and there is so much Microsoft hasn't announced for WP8 itself yet. Is the new Office hardware dependent? I would love the Wallet hub to use it like Passbook on iOS. WP8 may not be hack friendly with the new restrictions so I dunno how willing devs will be to port over features to 7.8. I own both a G Nex and a Focus S and I love my Focus S more. WP is such a pretty looking and solid OS I still think Microsoft shouldn't completely bury the WP7 phones in order to move forward with WP8.
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Most likely they won't - at least Nokia won't. Considering how huge its feature phone market is, if anything it will try and push all the old WP7.x phones as "first smartphones" to those feature phone customers. To be honest, none of the WP7.x are that complicated or feature loaded to overwhelm or underwhelm a beginner in smartphone world. Believe it or not, feature phone market is much much much bigger than smartphone world. These WP7.x babies can easily beat any low end entry level Android!
I saw something recently about how Nokia plans to release a 7.8 WP next year. Here's my issue with how the OEMs have handled WP7: they let the carriers screw us over. For example, at what AT&T did. The Titan 1 was EOL'd in 6 months! So was the Focus S. Meanwhile, on T Mobile the Lumia 710 and Radar have been going pretty strong for at least 8 months. The HD7 had at least 1good year but got EOL'd fast too when it hit AT&T.
I wish my Focus S was a pentaband phone like the G Nex and had 768RAM. Otherwise it is perfect for my needs. I use my G Nex more right now because of the pentaband radio and that I still like Android. But there are certain things that WP hits the spot for me: email, artist bios in music, people hub, picture hub, bing search hub, ease to scroll through apps and music files.
I think Microsoft learned the hard way that splitting the platform up with the premier phones on one carrier here in the US was a mistake. It is why they went back to HTC and is using the 8X in the manner Samsung did with the Galaxy Line to move units and get WP into more hands. Make no mistake, Nokia is the preferred WP brand due to the mind share and marketing it made with the Gen 1 Lumias, but HTC is once again called upon to sell volume like it has in the past for Microsoft.
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I saw something recently about how Nokia plans to release a 7.8 WP next year. Here's my issue with how the OEMs have handled WP7: they let the carriers screw us over. For example, at what AT&T did. The Titan 1 was EOL'd in 6 months! So was the Focus S. Meanwhile, on T Mobile the Lumia 710 and Radar have been going pretty strong for at least 8 months. The HD7 had at least 1good year but got EOL'd fast too when it hit AT&T.
I wish my Focus S was a pentaband phone like the G Nex and had 768RAM. Otherwise it is perfect for my needs. I use my G Nex more right now because of the pentaband radio and that I still like Android. But there are certain things that WP hits the spot for me: email, artist bios in music, people hub, picture hub, bing search hub, ease to scroll through apps and music files.
I think Microsoft learned the hard way that splitting the platform up with the premier phones on one carrier here in the US was a mistake. It is why they went back to HTC and is using the 8X in the manner Samsung did with the Galaxy Line to move units and get WP into more hands. Make no mistake, Nokia is the preferred WP brand due to the mind share and marketing it made with the Gen 1 Lumias, but HTC is once again called upon to sell volume like it has in the past for Microsoft.
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OR may be as few threads about 3-4 months back discussed at lengths that MSFT knew it all along. WP8 was in making even before the launch of WP7. For such a giant company it makes sense to have it all planned. With WP7 there was no way OEM other than Nokia would go full-on with it. Hence Nokia exclusive deal even with carriers. Now, WP is little known. With ecosystem launch MSFT can bet on other OEMs too. That phase of WP7 was to try and create a loyal following and bit of mindshare on the back of Nokia's mindshare while Nokia stops the slidings downfall from Symbian. Now it might be the right time when even other OEMs are interested to cash in on what is supposed to be the biggest launch of MSFT in it's history. This works well for MSFT too and hence HTC gets signature phones, Nokia gets exclusives and MSFT gets WP in plenty more hands. A happy family?
I do agree that Microsoft knew this all along. I mean it made sense what they did from a company perspective, but they didn't do any consumers any favors. If I were Microsoft to do it this way, I'd have gone with better minimum requirements, better software support. I'm not sure if they will do that anymore.
I'm on the fence...I like WP. I'm not a fan of how Microsoft has handled things. From a pure consumer point of view, it is the best OS on the market it terms of ease of use. In terms of overall functionality for devs and enthusiasts, Android is better and WP will be harder to use like that than iOS.
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From a pure consumer point of view, it is the best OS on the market it terms of ease of use. In terms of overall functionality for devs and enthusiasts, Android is better and WP will be harder to use
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That says it all!
One just needs to decide if he is a consumer who wants quality product or a dev/enthusiast who wants to tinker around each evening! Then the options are very clear.
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That says it all!
One just needs to decide if he is a consumer who wants quality product or a dev/enthusiast who wants to tinker around each evening! Then the options are very clear.
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But the way MS abandons the older gen shows that they simply didn't plan the whole picture upfront. By giving an excuse that the old phone isn't powerful enough for the new software means they had a short sight at the very beginning, and constantly changing their minds. It is not a pretty picture that consumers want to see. Let me know that my phone is obsolete in 6 months of release is very bad, made people lose confidence to the OS. They should stop doing that immediately.
If MS wants to compete with Android, they should not do the same sh1t companies using android did, but follow apple as a better role model.
As a US consumer, I like both. I like Android to tinker and that's where my Galaxy Nexus comes in. I'm using BlackBean ROM as my daily driver and i love it. I haven't had any need to flash the other ROMs I have because this one fulfills my need to tinker but still have something stable enough to use daily.
But as a pure daily driver, WP fits my needs better. I like the Focus S a lot. I wish when I bought it I could have interlop unlocked it, but the one I bought was already updated. My carrier, T Mobile, took the mid range phones and 8GB onboard storage isn't enough for me.
Still, this is the second time MSFT has done this, the first being going from the HD2 and 6.5 to WP7. I give them credit in that they will have released Nodo, Mango, Tango and 7.8, but only Nodo and Mango were significant (7.8 not included, as it is still so TBD). They let the carriers have too much play because they did t hand the OS release correctly and killed some good devices in the Focus S, Titan 2 among others. If they wanted to be so much like Apple they should learn from the iPhone 3G update to iOS4.0.1. See how they gave the 3GS a ton of support? Its a shame but my guts says 7.8 will be as barren as Tango, which means I may not upgrade until WP 8 Gen 2 or WP9.
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blah blah blah... Same cries again... :bored:
Will WP7 forgotten OS? Well, not for me! I'm waiting for Lumia 510 to be launched in my country since my mom needs a replacement of her old battered phone. Next month, my sister will be buying her first smartphone. She will see and compare WP7 and WP8. If she doesn't see enough advantages of WP8 over WP7 then she will pick WP7.
This pretty much should explain views of an average consumer.
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But the way MS abandons the older gen shows that they simply didn't plan the whole picture upfront. By giving an excuse that the old phone isn't powerful enough for the new software means they had a short sight at the very beginning, and constantly changing their minds. It is not a pretty picture that consumers want to see. Let me know that my phone is obsolete in 6 months of release is very bad, made people lose confidence to the OS. They should stop doing that immediately.
If MS wants to compete with Android, they should not do the same sh1t companies using android did, but follow apple as a better role model.
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I'm not going to indulge in the same talk again and beat the dead horse to ultimate eternity but MSFT never said hardware isn't good enough. As a company they did not find porting the new kernel on old softwares and providing any kind of update fruitful considering how small the user base is/was and what sort of user base it had. Not everyone visits XDA and not everyone has a hobby of ROM flashing. Hence MSFT decided rather than probably open 20 new call centres to help those who bricked their phones, we might as well abandon 0.001% unhappy customers. The rest from Gen1 anyways need an upgrade, they aren't really unhappy. The unhappy ones, the cheated ones, the people who shout that their phone became a piece of wood with the magical announcement - are those who got Gen2 Mango devices. Those customers are 0.001% of smartphone market and probably 20% of MSFT WP market. 80% won't care and forget this on 29th October, including me (I got Gen2 Mango phone). They are business, we are customers, they are sitting there to make money, not a marriage.
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I'm not going to indulge in the same talk again and beat the dead horse to ultimate eternity but MSFT never said hardware isn't good enough. As a company they did not find porting the new kernel on old softwares and providing any kind of update fruitful considering how small the user base is/was and what sort of user base it had. Not everyone visits XDA and not everyone has a hobby of ROM flashing. Hence MSFT decided rather than probably open 20 new call centres to help those who bricked their phones, we might as well abandon 0.001% unhappy customers. The rest from Gen1 anyways need an upgrade, they aren't really unhappy. The unhappy ones, the cheated ones, the people who shout that their phone became a piece of wood with the magical announcement - are those who got Gen2 Mango devices. Those customers are 0.001% of smartphone market and probably 20% of MSFT WP market. 80% won't care and forget this on 29th October, including me (I got Gen2 Mango phone). They are business, we are customers, they are sitting there to make money, not a marriage.
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I agree with you that from business point, it's not worth too much for MS. But still, they put a lot effort to get this tiny share of smartphone market and with this act, they might just lose many of those that's quite unhappy about the fact they got dumped. I have a WP, an android tab and a iPhone, when apple released iOS6, I found iPhone 3gs still can take some advantage of the new OS, which is quite amazing given my tab won't be supported for any new updates and my WP will be in the dark. So seems to me, investing in iPhone is a better idea somehow, the quality is better than those OEMs too. (my monthly bill will be the same for iPhone or WP with LTE)
I don't mean to argue anything, it is just my feeling of the strategy every different companies chose, preference of those companies. I was firmly against iPhone because I have Sprint which had no iPhone to choose from and I won't pay for the overhead. Then Sprint brought in iPhone and I got one and am happy about the result, proved that it is not just a hype. Myself, I was using TP2 then switched to WP(got for free) and I'm happy mostly after a long time(got used to those craps eventually) and will keep using that WP(had to do a repair because of part of the screen stopped responding)
I'm not trying to flog a dead horse here but not everyone has cash to upgrade at the launch of new tech. As long as MSFT provides some support for WP7 and doesn't completely kill it, then I'd be more incline to stay with WP. Yes the average Joe won't hack their phone but at least with Android if you pay attention and read the forums rooting your phone is worth something a bit more.
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I'm happy with my Gen 1 HTC hd7. Even after tmobile killed it, the custom roms kept coming. And eventually I plan on getting the htc 8x. My HTC has been solid for two years now. Wp8 will have everything my WP 7.8, but better hardware and specs. I'm not too involved in development, but theres lots of homebrew apps. If you want a solid, os go with wp8. If you want more customization, go android. You want last year go ios.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. The only things I want out of 7.8 are a file explorer and the ability to sync whatever files I want. I'm talking about doc files if you add to them or whatnot they automatically sync when you plug in your phone. I had that setup on my wm 6.5
The obvious start screen we all know we're getting.
A notification hub or bar or whatever
Customization options for ring tones (already have but you know what I mean) custom sms, email, alarm alerts
and for me I would love to be able to have a lock screen with a lot more versatility. For instance an app like amazing weather could push current weather conditions with animations to the lock screen.
Would that make most of us happy? So let's see if MS gives it to us but I won't hold my breath.
See, there is still too much that MSFT locked down in WP7. Some of the HTC devices, like the Mozart, had a LED that could be used for notifications. The Titan's notification LED is a bit more useful, but the one thing in used to love about my BB9780 (my G Nex does this too) is how you could assign different colors for different types of notifications. An orange LED for missed calls and notifications would have been enough.
What I would love to see is the ability to open an app from the lockscreen by tapping on the notification. We can already control the music player from lock screen, why not a medium to long press on an email icon at the bottom of the lock screen to slide up the lock sreen then open the email app? I think that would help for those missed notifications that you don't see when they come in at the top bar in real time. They could also give us the last five types of notifications and save the "us choosing what five we want to get notifications for" as I read they may do in WP8.
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I don't think Microsoft (and Nokia) will completely abandon WP7. Nokia did say that apps that don't require hardware support from the new WP8 devices (such as NFC and multi-core processors) will be available for WP7.x.
Although I'm hoping that newer games such as the new Angry Birds Star Wars (to be released on November 8) from Rovio would be available for WP7.8 users. (After reading the press release, they did say that the game will be available for Windows Phone - here's me hoping that by windows phone they meant both 7.x and 8 users).
Besides, why are we berating Microsoft and Nokia? This happens even to Android and iOS users. Motorola recently posted an announcement explaining why not every devices they have in the market will be upgradable to Android Ice Cream Sandwich, HTC also once announced that its Desire line of handsets would not be upgradable to Gingerbread (although backlash from angry users prompted HTC to create a version of Gingerbread with some memory intensive features removed). iOS is also not an exception. Sure, your 3GS can be upgraded to iOS 6 but try downloading a new app and, oh wait: only compatible with 4th generation iPhone and iPod Touch (pretty sure it will change to "compatible with 5th generation iPhone and iPod Touch only). So, yeah, you have iOS 6 on paper but you don't really have iOS 6 in all its glory.
Do we really need a new operating system when our current OS does everything we need flawlessly? I think I'd find it harder to stomach thinking that my Lumia 800 has WP8 but can't actually do what WP8 was set out to do. I'd stick with my Lumia for the moment and after two years, upgrade to a (hopefully its still there) new Nokia Lumia running the latest WP-OS.