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[Q] Kaiser 3D Drivers For Android - SOLVED - CAN BE CLOSED

I was wondering, the 3D performance is a lot better on the kaiser when using the video drivers (of course).
But is there any way to get the 3D driver to work in android?
Since i don't think it's possible to just install the driver on WM and then run Android because it fully shuts down WM i was wondering wether there's a way to get that nice smooth performance on Android as well.
Or is there any app that makes the kaiser a bit faster (graphics wise)?
Thanks a lot!!!
Answer:
3D Drivers are implemented (if that's the correct word (I'm from Belgium so)) in Android.

syntax1993 said:
I was wondering, the 3D performance is a lot better on the kaiser when using the video drivers (of course).
But is there any way to get the 3D driver to work in android?
Since i don't think it's possible to just install the driver on WM and then run Android because it fully shuts down WM i was wondering wether there's a way to get that nice smooth performance on Android as well.
Or is there any app that makes the kaiser a bit faster (graphics wise)?
Thanks a lot!!!
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Aren't they allready implemented using opengl????

If your running android you already have the drivers, they are in the kernel. I think we need to make a big sticky of that somewhere, third time ive seen it asked this week.

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If your running android you already have the drivers, they are in the kernel. I think we need to make a big sticky of that somewhere, third time ive seen it asked this week.
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I second that

syntax1993 said:
Or is there any app that makes the kaiser a bit faster (graphics wise)?
Thanks a lot!!!
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As has already been said, HW3d is implemented into the kernel which utilises the qcom chip in our kaiser's, but the hardware graphics acceleration although better then nothing is pretty crap compared to the new phones coming along so you can't expect miracles, just be glad it has any at all and android can actually use it unlike window mobile!

scooter1556 said:
As has already been said, HW3d is implemented into the kernel which utilises the qcom chip in our kaiser's, but the hardware graphics acceleration although better then nothing is pretty crap compared to the new phones coming along so you can't expect miracles, just be glad it has any at all and android can actually use it unlike window mobile!
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I would not call 32 frames per second in NEOCORE, with your build, prertty crap.
Well, can not be compared to new phones, but you must admit that this is more than enough to run 3D games(we can play RagingTunder2!).

Millence said:
I would not call 32 frames per second in NEOCORE, with your build, prertty crap.
Well, can not be compared to new phones, but you must admit that this is more than enough to run 3D games(we can play RagingTunder2!).
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No, it is quite impressive for an old timer, but obviously it can't keep up with the new hardware on the market and therefore the applications/games that are targeted at these devices. It's also a shame it isn't man enough for new video codecs although installing arcMedia which uses FFMpeg as it's backend improves things a little and gives support for more formats.

Thank you for answering, i had no idea it was integrated into the kernel.
I've heard that the kaiser had a quite good video chip but that's probably compared to the other phones at that time .
Well my phone is running Quake2 at about 10FPS (a bit higher (about 15-20) when looking into corners etc.) and i was hoping for a bit higher rate but it seems it isn't very easy to gain that on android.
Thanks a lot again for this quick answer, i haven't found any post on the forum wich answered my question so...
Syntax1993

Haven't looked well enough then it seems.
I'm sorry.

awhile back I looked at the performance of our integrated 3d and it is about on par with a rage 128 from what I remember... which is pretty bad lol not to mention that on android we have to run through java and we have a pretty weak fpu. I mean in linpack with my barebones rls 3 and overclocked to 572 mhz I get 3.8 mflop/s which is pretty bad lol. That was with JIT working properly even.

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awhile back I looked at the performance of our integrated 3d and it is about on par with a rage 128 from what I remember... which is pretty bad lol not to mention that on android we have to run through java and we have a pretty weak fpu. I mean in linpack with my barebones rls 3 and overclocked to 572 mhz I get 3.8 mflop/s which is pretty bad lol. That was with JIT working properly even.
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Have u had any problems clocking that high? I'm a bit scared to clock higher than 450Mhz because i don't want to brick my phone tbh.
Would be cool to clock that high.
*Afraid to clock that high LOL*

syntax1993 said:
Have u had any problems clocking that high? I'm a bit scared to clock higher than 450Mhz because i don't want to brick my phone tbh.
Would be cool to clock that high.
*Afraid to clock that high LOL*
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And there's the batt consumption issue... even if it can be reached ull need a really really long lasting extended batt, I got a Seidio Inocell 1600mAh, in a donut with .25 kernel and oced to 470, my batt last me like 10-12 hours if I use moderate wifi, bt or gps and keeping my data to 2g only.... If I try to keep my wifi or gps turned on all time and use 3g probably it wouldnt last more than 4-6 hours.

albertorodast2007 said:
And there's the batt consumption issue... even if it can be reached ull need a really really long lasting extended batt, I got a Seidio Inocell 1600mAh, in a donut with .25 kernel and oced to 470, my batt last me like 10-12 hours if I use moderate wifi, bt or gps and keeping my data to 2g only.... If I try to keep my wifi or gps turned on all time and use 3g probably it wouldnt last more than 4-6 hours.
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Well since the data here costs a lot of money (i don't know what it's like where you live) i rarely use it.
GPS is off and wifi is only on when at home or for a short period of time.
BT is also rarely used and off when not used.
I'm using a 2880Mah battery so the clocking won't be that much of a problem and i can recharge it every night so.
Aren't there high costs for 2G and 3G? it's waay to expensive to have it turned on all day.
Would i get any problems when clocking to around 500Mhz or smthng like that?

syntax1993 said:
Well since the data here costs a lot of money (i don't know what it's like where you live) i rarely use it.
GPS is off and wifi is only on when at home or for a short period of time.
BT is also rarely used and off when not used.
I'm using a 2880Mah battery so the clocking won't be that much of a problem and i can recharge it every night so.
Aren't there high costs for 2G and 3G? it's waay to expensive to have it turned on all day.
Would i get any problems when clocking to around 500Mhz or smthng like that?
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If ur using a data plan its relatively cheaper... i've oced my lil htc tilt to 520mhz, specialy when trying heavy apps and never had an issue (well never had issues more than the normal ones LOL ) you'll feel it gets a bit "warm" in the backside (maybe due to the higher batt consumption) and speed increase isnt that much beyond a certain point but maybe ull be luckier than me! (this is something common in evert oc! my cousin and i both have an evga gtx 275 i can get ir run almost 100 mhz higher than stock and if my cousin even tries to touch the values his pc hangs up!!) Taking abuot that... The only thing i've never tried was to oc the gpu (i've seen that option in atools) dunno if its doable in our kaisers and if there's a real increase/decrease in performance... if you give it a try maybe you could publish ur results...

albertorodast2007 said:
If ur using a data plan its relatively cheaper... i've oced my lil htc tilt to 520mhz, specialy when trying heavy apps and never had an issue (well never had issues more than the normal ones LOL ) you'll feel it gets a bit "warm" in the backside (maybe due to the higher batt consumption) and speed increase isnt that much beyond a certain point but maybe ull be luckier than me! (this is something common in evert oc! my cousin and i both have an evga gtx 275 i can get ir run almost 100 mhz higher than stock and if my cousin even tries to touch the values his pc hangs up!!) Taking abuot that... The only thing i've never tried was to oc the gpu (i've seen that option in atools) dunno if its doable in our kaisers and if there's a real increase/decrease in performance... if you give it a try maybe you could publish ur results...
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I'll try clocking CPU to about 500Mhz or a bit more
Going to use it tomorrow because it's about 9pm ATM.
GPU would be nice if it was possible to overclock it.
I'll post it tomorrow, could be that i can't see any result compared to a lower frequency.
Thx for ur help btw!

I've noticed a small diffrence when trying quake2 atm.
The diffrence isn't very great but i will try clocking it a bit higher tomorrow
Yooooo

As i've said before many times there is no risk in overclocking past 528 because we are not touching the voltage going to the cpu when we are overclocking it, just the crystal that controls the frequency it is running at. There is a slight heat increase and loss of battery consequentially because of that extra heat but that is it. I am speaking from experience overclocking a 2.4 ghz celeron E2200 to 4.25 ghz on air cooling with no disatrous results and used it as such every day. Basically I overclocked it with a pinmod for voltage and FSB increases and then I overclocked it further with the motherboard and supplied even more voltage. For the heatsink I used an OEM socket 775 heatsink and had no problems at all, it typically ran about 48 Celsius. If an overclock that high and potentially harmful won't kill the cpu then certainly one of a much smaller % is not going to harm a little kaiser.
FYI I took the voltage on that Celeron to 1.7 volts to get it that high. Stock is 1.1 if I recall

aceoyame said:
As i've said before many times there is no risk in overclocking past 528 because we are not touching the voltage going to the cpu when we are overclocking it, just the crystal that controls the frequency it is running at. There is a slight heat increase and loss of battery consequentially because of that extra heat but that is it. I am speaking from experience overclocking a 2.4 ghz celeron E2200 to 4.25 ghz on air cooling with no disatrous results and used it as such every day. Basically I overclocked it with a pinmod for voltage and FSB increases and then I overclocked it further with the motherboard and supplied even more voltage. For the heatsink I used an OEM socket 775 heatsink and had no problems at all, it typically ran about 48 Celsius. If an overclock that high and potentially harmful won't kill the cpu then certainly one of a much smaller % is not going to harm a little kaiser.
FYI I took the voltage on that Celeron to 1.7 volts to get it that high. Stock is 1.1 if I recall
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Awsome I could only reach 2.9 gigs on a intel q9400 on an asrock g31m-s (its a really crappy n cheap mobo!) The q9400 runs stock @ 2.66 maybe u can help me with that too lol!! Kiddin...
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albertorodast2007 said:
Awsome I could only reach 2.9 gigs on a intel q9400 on an asrock g31m-s (its a really crappy n cheap mobo!) The q9400 runs stock @ 2.66 maybe u can help me with that too lol!! Kiddin...
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See BSEL pin mod for socket 775 as it isnt a gigabyte board that should send your OC soaring through the roof since it doesnt use CPUID for configuring its clock speed on boot.

Millence said:
I would not call 32 frames per second in NEOCORE, with your build, prertty crap.
Well, can not be compared to new phones, but you must admit that this is more than enough to run 3D games(we can play RagingTunder2!).
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Just tried Raging Thunder 2. Wow - I had no idea games like this could run well on our old machines - except without an accelerometer I can't see how to steer and accelerate at the same time .
Are there any other nice looking action/racing gaems out there that give decent frame rates?

[REQUEST] A Upgraded-Overclocked Kernel

Hello, after running all the kernels currently available for kindle fire, I cant help but noticing that none can clock up to more then 1200mhz. While this is an improvement, I would liek to see a kernel that could overclock all the way up to about 1400-1600mhz. I am sure that the kindle could handle it, It does fine with 1200mhz. Any thoughts, anyone think the kindle could handle this. If so, whats stopping all these great devs?

What a great thread to start. While we're at, here's what I'd "liek" to see: push the CPU to 3 cores. And can we get a higher pixel density, devs? I mean, come on!

My understanding is that no one will release a kernel OC'd to more than 1200 because it's dangerous. Even if some Kindle's can handle it, some can't even handle 1200, and it would cause too many problems with people breaking things. If you want it that bad you'll learn how to compile your own kernel.

This is the development section. Not the Q&A/General. If you would like something, please try it yourself. Remember, everyone does this for free and as a hobby.

What hasoon said...
What Jake said is correct also, it would take waay too much work to get an overclocked kernel stable enough for the masses. Lower frequencies are generally more easily overclocked to higher levels than already high frequencies are.
Plus, why would you even want to overclock, what app/game is it that needs more than our 1.2ghz can handle, especially since we have a dual core cpu? I can't think of any and I have over 900 apps/games.(Not all on my KF, of course)
All it would do is drain your battery faster. Even games like NOVA 2 & NOVA 3(Probably not the most resource intensive games, but you get the point) run fine on 600 and 800 mhz.
Tl;dr:
There would be little to no benefit in furthur overclocking our KF's.

I agree, I use the "Kindle" at a frequency of 800MHz, and I have enough speed for gaming and work)
But that should be added, so this optimization core to increase the autonomy of the "Kindl"

0xD34D had a 2.6x capable of 1.3ghz. Worked well, I had no issues.
If your still stock ROM look it up although some will say it's "dated".
Keep in mind just because it's clocked higher does'nt mean it's faster.
At 1.3ghz it felt OK but benchmarked well below 1.2ghz, something I've noticed on my G-Nex as well. Once over a certain speed performance drops.

Jr member. Hahaha

manchucka said:
What a great thread to start. While we're at, here's what I'd "liek" to see: push the CPU to 3 cores. And can we get a higher pixel density, devs? I mean, come on!
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Jr member. Hahaha
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What's the point in posting crap like this other than to be a troll?

Short answer is no, it's not going to happen.
All trolling aside half our devs didn't even want to go to 1.2
Do to differences in device state / hardware race (yes there are some differences in hardware albeit small and not expected by Amazon to be noticeable in stock, that obviously changes when you start changing the OS), there's no way to know who's kindle will support what clock speeds.
If that's not enough for you let's consider that TI clocked it at 1024M for a reason and that any manipulation beyond the MFG specs is going to run the risk of shortening the devices life. You'd get a similar response from me if you are talking real PCs as well. Quite frankly the risks of high OC are not worth the reward, for any device IMHO

Requests go in Q&A (moved)
Pax
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any one here can be a "dev" with learning and patience.
if we don't take it upon ourselves then we can't rightly complain with what's available.
with that said i will. i personally do't agree with the argument that it's not good for the device, some can't handle it, etc., so it's not done.
My gnex with the latest faux123 kernel can be set as high as 1.8ghz.
i cant get past 1.35 without a massive hit to performance, same with any other kernel that allow crazy high clock settings. there's a few.
At 1.56ghz it locks up. i don't blame faux123 for the instability at those speeds.
when battery life isn't a concern i'm clocked at 1.35ghz. i won't blame him if the phone stops working either.
I like that he put it there allowing me to try it. it's fun to push the limits. this is about fun.
There's a demand for oc'ing everything. I'd do the same with the KF, although from the 0xD4aD kernel i already know my KF was perfectly stable at 1.3ghz even with uv.
i wish i had the patience but sadly i don't so I wait.

fr4nk1yn said:
i wish i had the patience but sadly i don't so I wait.
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Interesting irony here

PowSniffer0110 said:
Jr member. Hahaha
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So many trolls, nothing better to do than stuff his face with donuts, play wow, and TROLL LOL
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[Q] Overclock

Well i have a phone, and in that forum members says that Overclock the cpu shorts the motherboard life, is that true? and for those who are using Overclock, do u really feel something diferent with the performance of the tablet? or do u see something wrong with Overclock? like random reeboots or makes the tablet hot? Im thinking in OC or not my tab, so i wanna see the experience from other members, thx in advance. :good:

Deshabilitado said:
Well i have a phone, and in that forum members says that Overclock the cpu shorts the motherboard life, is that true? and for those who are using Overclock, do u really feel something diferent with the performance of the tablet? or do u see something wrong with Overclock? like random reeboots or makes the tablet hot? Im thinking in OC or not my tab, so i wanna see the experience from other members, thx in advance. :good:
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I cover this in the guide I wrote in general (which has been pushed down quite a ways) but anyways here goes another version.
Overclocking varies from device to device, even of the same model. Variances in tolerance is on a per chip basis, as long as they pass within a certain range they are sent out for production in devices. Overclocking in general is within means of the chip's abilities, if it isn't, you'll know it. Generally speaking, 1.4 GHz is perfectly fine on our devices. 1.5 GHz is also usually ok, but is the upper end of what the Tegra2 can usually tolerate. Few an go past 1.58 GHz, my old G2x's tegra2 could hit 1.7 GHz,but that's well beyond "normal" range.
Overclocking a device is the same as overclocking a PC, you need to be careful with it. Don't just ramp it to 65% overclock and expect it to run fine. Every chip is different. Do it in steps, and test each step before moving on. Test it in normal usage, test it in heavy usage, gaming, etc.
An overclocked device will certainly run hotter then normal, it's running faster, drawing more power, and that creates a hotter running core, no way around it. Keeping in mind there is no airflow in these things, that makes the biggest enemy to CPUs even more dangerous.Does it run so hot that it can shorten component life? Sure it can. Will you still have the device when it happens? I doubt it. Likely, we'll be on Tegra5 before it even begins to show signs of stress.
One of the nice things, though, is our CPUs range so much in speed according to load that just because your Max is 1.5 GHz, it doesn't always run there. Most times, it won't even be in the overclocked speeds. Does it run faster? Sure does. Benchmarks will raise nicely, and games that maybe got choppy before will smooth out, movies that couldn't play well will be fluid, the heavens will align, mankind will discover world peace and I'll win the lottery.
All that being said, I don't usually overclock, in fact I tend to underclock a little to 800MHz. Its usually sufficient to do normal tablet stuff, and I adjust the speed according to what I require. If my movie is lagging, I'll bump it up until it smooths out. Same for a game if it needs it.
In the end, its all personal choice, really. Just because you CAN overclock, doesn't mean you NEED to. IMO a well tuned governor will give as good a result as overclocking in normal usage, and a good I/O Scheduler will also help alot, without adding anymore heat or stress to your device.
TL;DNR:
Overclocking is fun. It causes more heat. It likely won't explode within the time you own it. Or your children. Your battery will suck.

thanks pio for the answer, thats what i needed to read, cuz usually when u talk about OC its like "yeah dude, OC its "tha greeeeeat doi it dude" or something like "dont do it!!! u will decrease your tablet life" and yes, i know that devices are way to diferent even if they are the same model, and also im agree with u, governors and I/O works better than OC but we dont have many for our device, i miss the smartass v2 governor,or the brazzilianwax too, but well, hope someone can port it for us someday.

How Many People Here Overlock? CPU and GPU?

Just a quick Poll
How many of you fine folks OC? CPU, GPU, or CPU + GPU? What do you run at and what Kernel?
Just curious!

Nothing here. Don't see the need. That's just me though
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brandonarev said:
Nothing here. Don't see the need. That's just me though
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+1 fully stock:thumbup:
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I'm at 1800 MHz CPU and 733 MHz GPU - Just because my phone doesn't seem to run any hotter, battery life isn't impacted much - I overclock both on my PC, so I fall in the "why not get the free performance boost" sector.

Both 1800/640. I'm also in the why not free power crowd.
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I've only over clocked the cpu to 1704 I'm all for the why not get the free power but I'm also cognizant of the argument that over clocking can reduce the lifespan of the hardware. Anybody have any comments or views on that? Would like to hear some other opinions.
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1800mhz on carbon 1.8
Stock GPU speed. ..
Nova launcher set to faster than light. ..
Among 27 other major mods...
It's like you can hear my phone snap on screen transitions. ..lol...g
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I'm running....
Stock CPU/GPU Speed running CleanRom 3.0 SE AT&T
Saber Kernel 35.6 Trickster Mod Touchwake features
Apex Launcher Paid Version

stock speeds
i haven't found the need to oc the note 2. just running a custom rom that removed all the bloatware on it does wonders for me.
i am running the newest jedi and way new to the root and rom thing. it's nice to be able to overclock or underclock if i wanna.
the note 2 is by far the best phone i have ever owned.

What benefit do you guys see in over clocking the GPU?
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I would love to see benchmarks with overclocking of the Note 2, I am leery to touch it because something like Asphalt 8 already makes the phone VERY HOT around the camera lense area on the back.
ps. Asphalt 8 was unplayable on my phone with the stock rom, no matter what you did to clean up the ram, etc, even on the 'Medium' graphics setting. It hitched, it lagged, it hiccuped, and it made a game where you are constantly relying on drifting unplayable. After switching to the Probam rom, the game flies - on the highest setting. It never hitches, ever. I don't know if it is Android 4.3 giving the hardware more breathing room or just a cleaner overall OS that uses less Ram, either way the difference was ridiculous - and I am not overclocked. Yet.

since benchmarks mean absolutely nothing, when it comes to comparing phones, you'll be hard pressed to find anything posted here..most people, with a decent knowledge of how phones work, understand that posting these things are nothing more than an attempt to brag that your phone may or may not be running faster than someone else's; the truth being that no 2 phones do anything exactly like the other, no 2 people have the same exact setup, files, and other stuff on their phones, so these types of comparisons are completely meaningless..
I dont play Asphalt 8, but I have read other posts about people saying it makes their phones run hot...

wase4711 said:
since benchmarks mean absolutely nothing, when it comes to comparing phones, you'll be hard pressed to find anything posted here..most people, with a decent knowledge of how phones work, understand that posting these things are nothing more than an attempt to brag that your phone may or may not be running faster than someone else's; the truth being that no 2 phones do anything exactly like the other, no 2 people have the same exact setup, files, and other stuff on their phones, so these types of comparisons are completely meaningless..
I dont play Asphalt 8, but I have read other posts about people saying it makes their phones run hot...
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Uhhh... How do you come up with the logic to say that "benchmarks mean absolutely nothing"? They certainly do mean something, the app is stress testing every functionality of the phone and measuring the results. What they are testing are systems (both hardware and software) that are used to push GAMES. Not 'Angry Birds', I am talking about engines pushing tens of thousands of polys with textures, sound effects, physics processing, redrawing the screen several times over for effects like shaders, etc, etc, etc....
Overclocking certainly makes a VERY REAL difference on a pc, how is a phone any different? You push the limits of the hardware beyond the specs it is 'rated for', some phones will make too much heat even with minor overclocking and result in crashes, lockups, and finally permanent failure. Some phones will handle the extra heat, and overclocking will result in noticable boost in performance. Yes, some game engines are locked at a specific framerate and will not be able to take advantage of 'more power', but in general a serious game engines uses all the resources available in the form of raw framerate.

using benchmarks to compare your phone to mine is meaningless; you dont have the same apps as me, you dont have the same settings as me, you dont have the same number of accounts checking email, you dont have the same amount of background apps as me, your settings are not the same as mine, and so on..
if you are having serious issues with your phone, benchmarking can be useful to determine if its software or hardware related, but otherwise, it has no true comparitive meaning...Go ahead a post a poll here, and see what I mean..anyone with extensive experience on this topic will agree..
I've been hacking/modding phones and pc's for 30 years, so, on this topic, I know of what I speak..

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using benchmarks to compare your phone to mine is meaningless; you dont have the same apps as me, you dont have the same settings as me, you dont have the same number of accounts checking email, you dont have the same amount of background apps as me, your settings are not the same as mine, and so on..
if you are having serious issues with your phone, benchmarking can be useful to determine if its software or hardware related, but otherwise, it has no true comparitive meaning...Go ahead a post a poll here, and see what I mean..anyone with extensive experience on this topic will agree..
I've been hacking/modding phones and pc's for 30 years, so, on this topic, I know of what I speak..
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wase4711 said:
using benchmarks to compare your phone to mine is meaningless; you dont have the same apps as me, you dont have the same settings as me, you dont have the same number of accounts checking email, you dont have the same amount of background apps as me, your settings are not the same as mine, and so on..
if you are having serious issues with your phone, benchmarking can be useful to determine if its software or hardware related, but otherwise, it has no true comparitive meaning...Go ahead a post a poll here, and see what I mean..anyone with extensive experience on this topic will agree..
I've been hacking/modding phones and pc's for 30 years, so, on this topic, I know of what I speak..
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Word.....g
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[Q] Decent CPU Temp (Heavy Load) For Nexus 7 2013 with Root & Stock 4.4

Hello everyone! I am very, very happy because i bought a Nexus 7 2013 a week ago. That same night I got home from the shop I knew it was getting root permissions. So i did the rooting method with WugFreshes toolkit and it worked like a dream I must admit. TWRP and Superuser installed in a flash.
After root permissions the fun started - Custom Rom's, Mods, Tweaks you name it. I am currently using Stock Kitkat 4.4 ROM with many tweaks:
PureGraphic HD
PurePeformances
AwesomeBeats
PureAudio
I have the Franco Kernel and it's great. I have had no issues what so ever so far. It's smooth, fast and responsive. Games run extraordinary fast, I can amp up the graphics without to much frame drops, this includes games like GTA SA, GTA VC, Modern Combat 4 and N64/PS1 Emulators (and yes i own the roms :highfive. Back to the Kernel. All Wireless adapters are working (bluetooth, wifi, nfc etc), and wifi seems faster. Battery doesn't drain very fast at all, even with intensive load. But here is where my question actually is ...
I do understand that this question has been answered somewhere else in the Nexus 7 2013 forum, however can someone tell me my question in more detail? Thanks. :good:
Q. My question is, between what cpu temperatures is safe for my nexus 7 2013 to play intensive games at (etc emualtors, gta series, MC4)? What temperatures should i be alerted at. I am currently running GTA Sandreas and emulators at around 50-65 Degrese celcius (yes that's right celcius us auzzies use the metric system :silly: . )
Also if i overclocked it to 1.7GHZ then what would a stable temp be while idling and heavy load? (thanks!)
(last minute edit... Also what CPU is really used in this? People say it's an undercloked s4 pro or something? So if overcloked back to 1.7GHZ it'll be fine? Right?...)
Other information consist of:
.All the mods i said i have, stated earlier
.Franco Kernal
.Wireless devices faster tweaks
.Use 4x MSSA
.Warn at 65 Degrees Celcius
.Other small mods i can not think of...
.Stock GPU & CPU clock speeds
If anyone can ask my question A.S.A.P it would be greatly appreciated, i am currently new to XDA but not the the Android OS. And to all of you whom think Android is a terrible OS go get one of the most biggest fails since Apple Newton the iPad.
P.S The XDA forums is great, and everyone on here deserves a good old beer. If this thread violates any T&C please go right ahead and delete it. Thanks so much,
" Be nice to nerds, because chances are you will probably work for one someday" - Bill Gates.
My devices and devices i have had:
.Samsung Galaxy Ace S5830
.Galaxy S2 I900T White
.Galaxy S2 I900T Black
.Sony Xperia Z
.Pendo Pad 7
.Softwner Tablet 7"
.Huawei Acend y201
.Galaxy Nexus
.Nexus 7 2013

How come nobody has said nothing to this question?
Btw, my cpu hit 91º C this morning while I was playing nova 3 and I was using an overlay to see my gpu frequencies and usage. I think is too much.

CheyTac-12 said:
How come nobody has said nothing to this question?
Btw, my cpu hit 91º C this morning while I was playing nova 3 and I was using an overlay to see my gpu frequencies and usage. I think is too much.
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I personally wouldn't worry about cpu temp that much. All the developers of custom kernels will set the thermal limits to whatever they think is appropriate. A much bigger concern than the cpu temp is heat being conducted to the battery. I would make a point of keeping the battery below 120F and I personally don't want to see over 110F (around 45C).

wantabe said:
I personally wouldn't worry about cpu temp that much. All the developers of custom kernels will set the thermal limits to whatever they think is appropriate. A much bigger concern than the cpu temp is heat being conducted to the battery. I would make a point of keeping the battery below 120F and I personally don't want to see over 110F (around 45C).
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The overlay thing I was talking about earlier was the cause for that cpu temp, it used like 2 entire cores to function, without it, temps are more stable, can you believe that the tablet actually kinda burned my fingers if I pressed too hard? That's insane.
Now, I understand that the battery's temperature is something important, so you don't ruin your battery lifespan, but how come cpu temps don't matter as much as battery's does? What's the max temp for these devices?

CheyTac-12 said:
The overlay thing I was talking about earlier was the cause for that cpu temp, it used like 2 entire cores to function, without it, temps are more stable, can you believe that the tablet actually kinda burned my fingers if I pressed too hard? That's insane.
Now, I understand that the battery's temperature is something important, so you don't ruin your battery lifespan, but how come cpu temps don't matter as much as battery's does? What's the max temp for these devices?
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I'm going to "guess" and say somewhere around 100C for the cpu. Just a guess. 60C for the battery would absolutely be bad news. 50C would make me nervous. Also the cpu will start to get throttled (underclocked) once it gets up to a certain temp, And once it reaches the max temp the cpu will get shut down and you will have to wait for it to cool down before it will boot back up. I would worry about the heat affecting the motherboard and the components on that before I would worry about heat damaging the cpu.

XxAuzzi3L3g3ndx said:
Hello everyone! I am very, very happy because i bought a Nexus 7 2013 a week ago. That same night I got home from the shop I knew it was getting root permissions. So i did the rooting method with WugFreshes toolkit and it worked like a dream I must admit. TWRP and Superuser installed in a flash.
After root permissions the fun started - Custom Rom's, Mods, Tweaks you name it. I am currently using Stock Kitkat 4.4 ROM with many tweaks:
PureGraphic HD
PurePeformances
AwesomeBeats
PureAudio
I have the Franco Kernel and it's great. I have had no issues what so ever so far. It's smooth, fast and responsive. Games run extraordinary fast, I can amp up the graphics without to much frame drops, this includes games like GTA SA, GTA VC, Modern Combat 4 and N64/PS1 Emulators (and yes i own the roms :highfive. Back to the Kernel. All Wireless adapters are working (bluetooth, wifi, nfc etc), and wifi seems faster. Battery doesn't drain very fast at all, even with intensive load. But here is where my question actually is ...
I do understand that this question has been answered somewhere else in the Nexus 7 2013 forum, however can someone tell me my question in more detail? Thanks. :good:
Q. My question is, between what cpu temperatures is safe for my nexus 7 2013 to play intensive games at (etc emualtors, gta series, MC4)? What temperatures should i be alerted at. I am currently running GTA Sandreas and emulators at around 50-65 Degrese celcius (yes that's right celcius us auzzies use the metric system :silly: . )
Also if i overclocked it to 1.7GHZ then what would a stable temp be while idling and heavy load? (thanks!)
(last minute edit... Also what CPU is really used in this? People say it's an undercloked s4 pro or something? So if overcloked back to 1.7GHZ it'll be fine? Right?...)
Other information consist of:
.All the mods i said i have, stated earlier
.Franco Kernal
.Wireless devices faster tweaks
.Use 4x MSSA
.Warn at 65 Degrees Celcius
.Other small mods i can not think of...
.Stock GPU & CPU clock speeds
If anyone can ask my question A.S.A.P it would be greatly appreciated, i am currently new to XDA but not the the Android OS. And to all of you whom think Android is a terrible OS go get one of the most biggest fails since Apple Newton the iPad.
P.S The XDA forums is great, and everyone on here deserves a good old beer. If this thread violates any T&C please go right ahead and delete it. Thanks so much,
" Be nice to nerds, because chances are you will probably work for one someday" - Bill Gates.
My devices and devices i have had:
.Samsung Galaxy Ace S5830
.Galaxy S2 I900T White
.Galaxy S2 I900T Black
.Sony Xperia Z
.Pendo Pad 7
.Softwner Tablet 7"
.Huawei Acend y201
.Galaxy Nexus
.Nexus 7 2013
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Theorically speaking, the safe working temperatures would be the where the thermal limit is which is around 105ºC.
However, it doesn't work like this because heat spreads to other components and more importantly, it spreads to the battery and we all know batteries don't like hot temperatures since it drastically reduces their life span and charge capability.
On practice, I would say keeping your CPU below 70ºC which will result in a colder battery aswell is the sweet spot.
On the Overclock matter, I have mine at 1900'ish Mhz and my GPU is at 490'ish Mhz and I haven't experienced any abnormal temperatures while runing benchmarks. Infact, the temps were kept below 50ºC which is more than fine.

wantabe said:
I'm going to "guess" and say somewhere around 100C for the cpu. Just a guess. 60C for the battery would absolutely be bad news. 50C would make me nervous. Also the cpu will start to get throttled (underclocked) once it gets up to a certain temp, And once it reaches the max temp the cpu will get shut down and you will have to wait for it to cool down before it will boot back up. I would worry about the heat affecting the motherboard and the components on that before I would worry about heat damaging the cpu.
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I think the battery burns like hell when you're playing and charging it at the same time, am I right? I wonder, if the cpu and gpu are underload, the battery will drain quickly, does this mean that this produces more heat to the battery? How does that work.

CheyTac-12 said:
The overlay thing I was talking about earlier was the cause for that cpu temp, it used like 2 entire cores to function, without it, temps are more stable, can you believe that the tablet actually kinda burned my fingers if I pressed too hard? That's insane.
Now, I understand that the battery's temperature is something important, so you don't ruin your battery lifespan, but how come cpu temps don't matter as much as battery's does? What's the max temp for these devices?
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Thanks m8. I don't have to worrie about it anymore... The Nexus came to a screen smashing end...