I know all of this has been covered but when searching all the threads I found were from last year at some point so I figured I would see if there was any new news that I just wasn't finding with my search terms. I apologize in advance if I put this thread in the wrong place or didn't follow the forum format in some way.
Basically, is the Verizon version of the Xperia Play, R800x with 2.3.3 still locked and there is no way to root this phone now? Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought the Supreme Court or something had ruled that we were legally able to do what we wanted with devices we owned? Does that not apply here or am I crazy? Let me guess, I inadvertently signed all my rights away by clicking something that automatically means I agree with whatever restrictions they wish to put on me, am I getting warm? Lol.
I knew I should have done this earlier but I honestly wanted to give my phone a good run stock before tinkering with it. Now that I am having to delete just about every app I have downloaded on my phone, including games I paid good money for, just so I don't get continuous memory warnings mostly due to updates for the preinstalled software that I never use that Verizon saw fit to saddle me with, I decided to look into rooting it only to find that this is no longer an option. Honestly, I am fed up with this phone, Verizon, the whole nine yards. Excuse me while I rant a bit but I wish I have never upgraded to a "smart" phone and I am seriously considering dropping back to a normal plan without all the data and use my old, reliable Samsung Flipshot. It was a phone and a camera and it did both very well. My Play is supposed to do all sorts of things but it does nothing well and even when I am inclined to surf the 'Net or play a typical game or even txt I am constantly bombarded with the popup that the app has stopped responding and do I want to Wait or Force Close. It honestly smacks of the Windows 95 and 98 days when nothing seemed to work right and the BSOD was a common, everyday thing. Ok, rant over, I apologize.
Seriously though, is there anything I can do to stop the slow, inevitable death of my phone? I have uninstalled the largest of the updates for most of the programs I don't use like the Kindle app, some sort of "office" app and a few other updates that were over the 10mb mark but is this a viable solution? Are these apps just going to update again later or harass me with notifications to update? What the hell happened to the 250mb of extra space I had before and why can't I get it back by deleting the apps I downloaded myself? When my phone was new I had all kinds of room to do stuff and had many apps installed that I rarely used but were very handy when I needed them, now I find that I have to delete anything non-essential just to get my phone to operate on a somewhat normal level. Is there anything I can do to fight this and get back enough memory to make my phone fun and somewhat useful again? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
I guess I am just very disappointed with my first foray into the "smartphone" world. I honestly feel they are pushing the technology too far to fast since it seems almost like your phone is only something cool when it's new sitting on a shelf, then when you get it home and use it, it turns to crap in you hand. I suppose I am just angry over the whole situation and I feel sort of cheated. Maybe I misunderstood something somewhere but I thought these cool little gadgets were supposed to make life better and actually be useful. Then again, maybe I am just getting old.
So is there any hope or am I stuck with this for the time being or as long as I am stuck with Verizon in my rather remote area?
Read my sticky thread on "R800x Users: You've got Custom ROM questions? I've got answers." It still applies, at least until May 1st when you get an update.
In short: you can root your phone. There is something else called a bootloader that remains locked that controls whether you can use certain custom ROMs and kernels. There is a paid way to unlock it which gives you more access. There are quite a few custom ROMs you can use with a locked bootloader that will improve your phone's performance, and even more if you unlock the bootloader.
About the locked bootloader thing, Verizon can do that because they subsidize the cost of the phone in your contract. So, technically, they "own" the phone for the contract period and can dictate what you can do to said hardware.
You need to do a bit more digging. You can do a LOT more than stock.
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Thanks for the info. I skimmed through the thread but I wondered if it still applied, good to know that it does so I'll go back and read it in detail. I guess I understand the Verizon thing. This is the real cost of buying my phone for a penny off Amazon, lol. Again, thanks for the info and I will definitely check out the info on rooting my phone, even if it's not totally unlocked. As long as I can get rid of most of the bloatware, I will be satisfied with that. Not really looking to make my phone do anything more than it does now, but improving it's performance and storage is definitely my motivation so hopefully something along those lines is still possible. Thanks again!
netizenmt said:
About the locked bootloader thing, Verizon can do that because they subsidize the cost of the phone in your contract. So, technically, they "own" the phone for the contract period and can dictate what you can do to said hardware.
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Well, I paid the unsubsidized price for my Play (~$500 if I recall) so I wouldn't have to sign a contract, and they still won't let me unlock it, not that that stopped me...
Mogul345 said:
Well, I paid the unsubsidized price for my Play (~$500 if I recall) so I wouldn't have to sign a contract, and they still won't let me unlock it, not that that stopped me...
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Technically you pay for the device but Sony holds the rights to what is contained within. You don't own EVERYTHING in the phone. Just the right to use it. Sure its in the Terms and Conditions
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Well even with Verizon's meddling I was able to root my phone even without unlocking the boot loader. I got Titanium Backup installed and was able to remove a lot of the bloatware on my phone and free up a lot of memory. I wasn't able to delete all that I wanted but I was able to get back about 100mb of phone memory with just the things I did delete and that is good enough for me. The phone is acting normal so I guess I did everything right and didn't do any damage and I got the space I needed so I am pleased. Maybe down the road I will want to do more to the phone and workarounds will exist then but for now I am happy with what I have achieved.
Thanks again to Netizenmt and all the people who posted the information listed in your sticky. It was a great help once I calmed down, dug below the surface and did some more research.
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Does anyone here think sprint can track if you were rooted???????
i also read someone's post said when they take your phone in to repair they have the technology to see if you ever been rooted even if you unrooted to get the repair.
but i dont really believe it
Any Opinions??
http://forum.androidcentral.com/htc-evo-4g/88600-can-sprint-find-out-if-youre-rooted.html
I'm sure that many carriers can check to see if you are rooted. Google is able to see if you are rooted, so why wouldn't carriers know? (Google is able to block movie rentals on rooted devices).
As far as the "technology to see if you unrooted", I am positive that they have no way of telling if you did such a thing. However, if you have some files on your external SD card such as removed Sprint apps, that's a dead giveaway.
Without getting out the tin foil hat theories, I'll agree and say it's possible... with a catch.
One thing: IF you are running a ROM that the device doesn't ship with, it should be easy to tell. If they can do that with simple over the air checks, I don't know or care.
Checking for the su binary. Several apps already do this (WoW Authenticator) and such. The presence of this binary alone is enough to tip someone off.
The bottom line is, who cares. It's not that big of a deal to carriers right now (so it seems). Just return the device to stock if you ever need service.
To answer your question: Yes.
About a month ago I had to return my EVO to the sprint store, left it rooted, and they could of cared less if it was rooted or not.
For a while I think they allowed it... I can only assume they were trying to figure out how to handle the situation...
When I had called into tech... they said they would charge $125 for rooted devices... No idea. There's disclaimers everywhere... you do it at your own risk.
Sprint can't track your rooting/unrooting.
There's no way they know unless you tell them or bring it in rooted.
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Go back and read that thread. There's also one here in the General forum just started today in which the OP says he's being canned because of rooting his phone. The background is he was also using a ton of data, and it may have been roaming data. THAT'S the issue. Root has nothing to do with it.
Whether they can or can't doesn't really matter. Sprint doesn't care if you are rooted. Yes, it voids your phone's warranty, but that's it. It's your phone, you can do what you want with it. And you can always unroot and bingo, you have your warranty back.
i know there isnt a root for the evo with 2.3 yet but im just curious why not
If you think you can do it..by all means...it takes a lot of work to find a root. Ways that use to work get fixed by companies...basically it boils down to detective work which cannot have a time table and takes a incredible amount of patience and brainpower..along with luck. Basically it boils down to finding a exploit...a way to somehow get foot in door...then once that is done...exploring the exploit for options to elevate privileges to get temp or permanent root. How they do this takes time..and a lot of tinkering. And once the root method is out...companies fix it and the game starts all over again.
ok cus i was just wondering if htc blocked it for some reason
Companies do block it..but mostly for security reasons..the same exploits used for rooting also can be used for malware and some nasty other type of software...spyware and so on.
ok thanks i was under the assumption that thats the best part of android, to you know mess with it and mold it and hack it .....thats why android is suppose to be better then apple as well as different....oh well we cant have everything
thanks for clearing it up though
as its been said, this stuff takes time, and luck, and sometimes not even that works,,
i believe they have made some progress, monitor the irc channel yourself during nights and you can see some chatter about it, but it looks like its not quite ready and/or stable as of yet, though i hear the hboot problem has already been beaten...
we shall see, just be patient and try to not make the mods work more by asking this questions in a separate thread, you could have very well asked this in one of the other ones talking about this
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ok thanks i was under the assumption that thats the best part of android, to you know mess with it and mold it and hack it .....thats why android is suppose to be better then apple as well as different....oh well we cant have everything
thanks for clearing it up though
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I wouldn't call it a part of Android since every non-Nexus/dev Android phones required the exploitation of the software for root to be possible.
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Actually I think its all non samsung phones. But of course I could be totally wrong.
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ok thanks i was under the assumption that thats the best part of android, to you know mess with it and mold it and hack it .....thats why android is suppose to be better then apple as well as different....oh well we cant have everything
thanks for clearing it up though
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Android itself is open, but any phone that the carriers and manufacturers have control over generally gets locked down. The Nexus phones are the notable exception, and are intended for use by developers and tinkerers. In particular, the bootloader is locked down to prevent you from tinkering. However, there's been a big push to get manufacturers to release their phones in way where the bootloader can easily be unlocked. Many have stated they will move in this direction, but it's a recent development. I'm also still not fully convinced the carriers won't try and succeed in blocking it, but getting the manufacturers to commit to it is a great start.
Until then, we have to rely on an exploit, which for almost all versions of almost all phones, they've been able to do. But it isn't necessarily easy. You still have FAR more customization and tinkering opportunities on Android even without an unlocked bootloader, but once you have that, yes, you can tinker with Android in ways you couldn't even imagine with Apple.
I don't see how this is legal. We're paying on average $300-$500 for phones, that are mini-computers. I can pay that for a laptop and get a mobile usb stick for it on the same carrier, and I have many options of Operation Systems to put on said laptop, even though it's an HP, or a Dell, or a Chinese Knockoff.
Same with Sony and XboX, such Bullcrap!
Ok so my new Nexus is coming tomorrow I sold my AT&T note to get it. This is my first time getting a unlocked phone. Anything I shouldn't do upon setting it up. Or things I should do. I've been reading a so far in here for the last few days. Just wanna make sure everything goes smooth
Put your SIM card in. Put the Battery in.
Root & unlock bootloader right away. That way you don't waste all that time setting up your phone just to have to redo it.
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Galaxy Nexus.
martonikaj said:
Put your SIM card in. Put the Battery in.
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Seriously, it's that simple.
Actually, if I may add a couple:
~Make sure it's free of defects - I don't want to worry you but it's something you want to address quickly for something not officially available in the U.S.
~Since you're on AT&T, set up your data usage limits.
Ok cool. Just wanted to make sure, illmprob root and such right away as mentioned. So I guess I have to call AT&T and tell them I'm using a "android" data plan correct? Being I used a spare iPhone 4 I had laying around while waiting for my nexus to Come in.
Vcolassi said:
Ok cool. Just wanted to make sure, illmprob root and such right away as mentioned. So I guess I have to call AT&T and tell them I'm using a "android" data plan correct? Being I used a spare iPhone 4 I had laying around while waiting for my nexus to Come in.
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If you're using an iPhone 4 the data plan should work fine (but some ppl are saying you can get a nice CS rep to put you on a "4G" data plan to get better speeds).
Also, you'll need a SIM adapter if you're gonna stick with the iPhone's Micro SIM.
I can prob just go in and ask them to give me a sim for my galaxy note. I got a sim before I believe with just giving them my number.
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Seriously, it's that simple.
Actually, if I may add a couple:
~Make sure it's free of defects - I don't want to worry you but it's something you want to address quickly for something not officially available in the U.S.
~Since you're on AT&T, set up your data usage limits.
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Yes, I would check for defects first to make sure you don't waste time doing anything else.
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Unlock, but don't root until you know what you want/need root for.
root is the same as the admin account on a windows machine. it does not introduce changes or risks just because it's there. there are a million reasons to do it, though. obvious reasons like safety and choice. it would be unthinkable for a laptop to be delivered without admin account, but here they shrunk the casing to an minimum, it's still a computer, but now it's oooohhhh, oooonlllyyyy if u knowwww whut ure doingggg. come on man, really. root on android is way more easy, transparent and intuitive to use than on a windows pc so what's the big deal.
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root is the same as the admin account on a windows machine. it does not introduce changes or risks just because it's there. there are a million reasons to do it, though. obvious reasons like safety and choice. it would be unthinkable for a laptop to be delivered without admin account, but here they shrunk the casing to an minimum, it's still a computer, but now it's oooohhhh, oooonlllyyyy if u knowwww whut ure doingggg. come on man, really. root on android is way more easy, transparent and intuitive to use than on a windows pc so what's the big deal.
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You are, in fact, wrong.
Android becomes a lot more vulnerable if you have SU/root installed. Just as it enables you to have root access on the system, it enables potential malware to have the same level of access and there are exploits in the wild utilizing this.
Android OS is also designed in a way that you don't need root access for almost anything the average user would possibly want to do with the device.
If you ever dig around the *#*#4636#*#* menu don't change or press anything next to SMSC otherwise you'll screw up your SMS's
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If you ever dig around the *#*#4636#*#* menu don't change or press anything next to SMSC otherwise you'll screw up your SMS's
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i did that lol
and i had to use my old old dumb phone (se s500i) to set up smsc again, it is one thing dumb phone is smarter than a smart phone
another way is to translate the smsc number in a website which is troublesome
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You are, in fact, wrong.
Android becomes a lot more vulnerable if you have SU/root installed. Just as it enables you to have root access on the system, it enables potential malware to have the same level of access and there are exploits in the wild utilizing this.
Android OS is also designed in a way that you don't need root access for almost anything the average user would possibly want to do with the device.
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As you probably already know there Roms like CM9 that protect against this. And more development teams are implementing the same safeguards.
Also rooting gives you the ability of adding apps like Cerberus and Avast to the system folder, making them very hard to remove.
Since he is a member of XDA, and asking about which pitfalls to avoid, you could assume he has ambitions to tinker and customize. So its not a question of if he should root, its a question of when.
But you know what they say when you assume..
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Galaxy Nexus.
Do: Everything.
Don't: Not do everything.
Simple.
Sent from the future.
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You are, in fact, wrong.
Android becomes a lot more vulnerable if you have SU/root installed. Just as it enables you to have root access on the system, it enables potential malware to have the same level of access and there are exploits in the wild utilizing this.
Android OS is also designed in a way that you don't need root access for almost anything the average user would possibly want to do with the device.
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say what? what kind of root did you install on your phone man. root changes nothing, an app can do the same stuff it could before and not an iota more. if it wants to it has to explicitly apply for that right and you have to give your allowance. Android is designed to be open, you either use that possibility or you don't but you don't run around freaking people out that root on Linux is something evil or abnormal which is it not, it's a plain normal admin account and nothing more and Android profits from it in the same way every other os in the whole wide world profits.
ps. that stuff about the "average user" is pure bs. average users do not complain about root on win7 or osx, why would they complain on android where it's even easier to operate. customizations aside, you're living dangerous, one bad crash and your phone is ****ed, a bit of bad luck and it gets stolen and you'll not see it again. both becomes virtually impossible with root since you have real backups and real security suites.
Unlocking the boot loader and rooting an android phone definitely opens it up to exploits, if you don't know that I wouldn't Root
Saying that, only way to run a smooth Nexus is to run Codename Android 1.6.0 with standard launcher and franco kernel. I've tried them all and this is the ONLY way to get nexus running smooth with limited lag.
Let's return to the topic:
You probably should unlock your bootloader immediately BECAUSE bootloader unlock wipes the phone. If you encounter a situation later on that requires an unlocked bootloader, you would loose all your data during the unlock process. I'd advise you to do it immediately before you set up your phone.
Rooting is different. Once your bootloader is unlocked, you can root your phone at any time without loosing anything. If you don't require a root right now, don't bother with it. Should you require it later, rooting is very easy and doesn't affect your data/settings IF (VERY BIG IF) your bootloader is unlocked.
I don't understand the concern about having root. Any app that attempts to gain root access is blocked and a pop up from super user asks if you want to grant access to said app.
Anyway I root but stay stock, because root is about having admin rights to do things, not necessarily flashing roms etc. Example I wanted to make my bar transparent, so u could do that when rooted even though I was on stock rom.
Anyway just pop in your sim is all you have to do. You don't have to change any data plans or have to even tell ATT anything.
Vcolassi said:
Ok so my new Nexus is coming tomorrow I sold my AT&T note to get it. This is my first time getting a unlocked phone. Anything I shouldn't do upon setting it up. Or things I should do. I've been reading a so far in here for the last few days. Just wanna make sure everything goes smooth
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Why did you sell your note? i am planning to buy new phone im confused between note and nexus... hope u can help coz u used them both... my first choice was nexus...
I'll just put this simply. I've got a splitting headache and I've been staring at various web pages for hours trying to (unsuccessfully) unlock the bootloader on my g4 so I can install twrp and root the thing. I'm about ready to kill someone. don't know who, nobody is around.
anyway.. I need a guide on how to transform my LG G4 US99120c US Cellular mobile device running Android 6.0 Marshmallow from a battery-draining eyeball-paining bright white piece of techno-trash into a rooted device with custom recovery that I can use on a regular basis without experiencing severe migraines because I can't delete stuff off the SD card due to carriers being pricks about released phones.
yes, I've tried google. Yes, I've tried searching the forums. If I hadn't done that already I wouldn't be posting here. please don't waste my time with "try the search feature".. I'm here because this is my last viable option for getting the damn thing working right. Please don't just link me to some random instruction manual either. I have bad luck with links.
If anyone does write me with help, write it for an idiot. Normally I'm pretty good at picking things up quickly but I seem to have come down with something the past couple days so I'm also a bit under the weather.. right around the idiot quotient.
I don't want to downgrade, I don't want to install half a dozen things or flash my whatchamacallit (got arrested last time I did that). I want to root the device, and possibly install xposed so I can change everything thats sharp white to a dull black. I do not want to do anything else at all but make calls, text, watch vids, listen to music and play the occasional game.
Thank you very much for your time, and a colossal chunk of gratitude for anyone who wants to take up this task.
FTR: I'm a former samsung user, so if you need to make comparisons I suggest using those. I'll understand 'em.
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I'll just put this simply. I've got a splitting headache and I've been staring at various web pages for hours trying to (unsuccessfully) unlock the bootloader on my g4 so I can install twrp and root the thing. I'm about ready to kill someone. don't know who, nobody is around.
anyway.. I need a guide on how to transform my LG G4 US99120c US Cellular mobile device running Android 6.0 Marshmallow from a battery-draining eyeball-paining bright white piece of techno-trash into a rooted device with custom recovery that I can use on a regular basis without experiencing severe migraines because I can't delete stuff off the SD card due to carriers being pricks about released phones.
yes, I've tried google. Yes, I've tried searching the forums. If I hadn't done that already I wouldn't be posting here. please don't waste my time with "try the search feature".. I'm here because this is my last viable option for getting the damn thing working right. Please don't just link me to some random instruction manual either. I have bad luck with links.
If anyone does write me with help, write it for an idiot. Normally I'm pretty good at picking things up quickly but I seem to have come down with something the past couple days so I'm also a bit under the weather.. right around the idiot quotient.
I don't want to downgrade, I don't want to install half a dozen things or flash my whatchamacallit (got arrested last time I did that). I want to root the device, and possibly install xposed so I can change everything thats sharp white to a dull black. I do not want to do anything else at all but make calls, text, watch vids, listen to music and play the occasional game.
Thank you very much for your time, and a colossal chunk of gratitude for anyone who wants to take up this task.
FTR: I'm a former samsung user, so if you need to make comparisons I suggest using those. I'll understand 'em.
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ill lay it on wasy for you......... you cant unlock bootloader. you cant install twrp and you cant root MM. not unless bootloader unlocked. wich your phone cant be unlocked..
root only on locked bootloader on LP.
there isnt a way and there will never be one.. to bypass and be able to install twrp..
well that explains why fastboot refuses to acknowledge the existence of the phone. I guess.
never say never tho m8, geohot should be proof enough of that for you. looks like I can't downgrade either.
guess I'll have to stick with my s5.
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well that explains why fastboot refuses to acknowledge the existence of the phone. I guess.
never say never tho m8, geohot should be proof enough of that for you. looks like I can't downgrade either.
guess I'll have to stick with my s5.
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there was a bounty of like 3000 dollars to whoever unlock it.. no one did it.. i said i might never be one.. thats waht everyone says samething.
My deepest apologies if this is in the wrong place, but I need to ask this question some place. If this has been asked before, the search did not return anything that caught my eye, please feel free to point me in the correct direction! Considering that I have Verizon as a carrier and live in the US, I thought I would ask this audience to see what device has caught your eye!
My upgrade date is drawing near and I need to decide on a device that I want to give a shot next, and I would like to avoid being disappointed in my next device.
What is your next device going to be, and why?
I have been keeping my eye on the newest Nexus (now the Pixel) phones, but I really can't see myself giving up my sd card slot. I am also kind of partial to the removable battery.
I really like this phone, but the development has been poor due to Verizon's locked bootloader. I have a feeling this will be the case with ALL Verizon phones, but I have unlocked bootloaders in the past (Even my Note 3 finally got a bootloader unlock!).
My real pull to the Nexus/Pixel was the fact that it's a Google phone, it gets the latest Operating System updates, and AFAIK they were able to unlock the bootloader in the past (please correct me if I am wrong, as I have not really ever owned a Nexus device).
I really enjoy the ability to install a custom Rom and modify the OS (I LOATHE the stock DPI on most devices!!!) and I can't exactly get tethering on my package (but there is usually an app for that ). I would like to find something powerful enough to keep me happy for the next few months, because lets face it, we all start to long for a new device.
Thank you for your time and consideration!
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My deepest apologies if this is in the wrong place, but I need to ask this question some place. If this has been asked before, the search did not return anything that caught my eye, please feel free to point me in the correct direction! Considering that I have Verizon as a carrier and live in the US, I thought I would ask this audience to see what device has caught your eye!
My upgrade date is drawing near and I need to decide on a device that I want to give a shot next, and I would like to avoid being disappointed in my next device.
What is your next device going to be, and why?
I have been keeping my eye on the newest Nexus (now the Pixel) phones, but I really can't see myself giving up my sd card slot. I am also kind of partial to the removable battery.
I really like this phone, but the development has been poor due to Verizon's locked bootloader. I have a feeling this will be the case with ALL Verizon phones, but I have unlocked bootloaders in the past (Even my Note 3 finally got a bootloader unlock!).
My real pull to the Nexus/Pixel was the fact that it's a Google phone, it gets the latest Operating System updates, and AFAIK they were able to unlock the bootloader in the past (please correct me if I am wrong, as I have not really ever owned a Nexus device).
I really enjoy the ability to install a custom Rom and modify the OS (I LOATHE the stock DPI on most devices!!!) and I can't exactly get tethering on my package (but there is usually an app for that ). I would like to find something powerful enough to keep me happy for the next few months, because lets face it, we all start to long for a new device.
Thank you for your time and consideration!
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I had the G4 for over a year and just upgraded to the HTC 10
pettigrew95 said:
I had the G4 for over a year and just upgraded to the HTC 10
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How are you liking it? And how is the development?
Are you a heavy phone user? What is the battery life like?
b3y0ndd34th said:
How are you liking it? And how is the development?
Are you a heavy phone user? What is the battery life like?
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The phone itself is awesome but I'm having some battery issues and trying to pinpoint what is causing the poor battery life. Development is fantastic since S-OFF and root were achieved via the Sunshine APK. There are tons of ROMs and kernels to flash. I miss having a removable battery but the HTC 10 does have a micro-SD slot.
I'm not in the market for a new phone to replace my G4 yet, but after getting a bootloop replacement with the first gen manufacturing date, I probably will be looking sooner rather than later. I get to stay on the unlimited data family share plan through a corporate discount, so I'm kind of curious if VZW still subsidizes new phones on those lines. If so, I'd miss out on the savings if I were to get a Pixel, which I presume will only be offered at full price. I've been out of the loop since MM came out and made it harder to mod Android, so it's good to see that at least there are some non-developer version phones out there still.