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every review i've read online before i bought the unit was boasting about how "finger-friendly" the TP2 was, and that you could lightly swipe your finger across it to navigate the menu and that the touchscreen was very sensitive and whatnot
however after 2 weeks of use i find that to be relatively untrue. i've got to apply a fair amount of pressure on the screen to get it to register my input. of course, i'm posting this because i'm afraid that i might be damaging the screen in the process
i have no basis for comparison actually, my only 2 other touchscreen devices at home are an iphone and a cowon s9, both use capacitive screens. i always knew there was a big difference between capacitive screens and resistive screens, i just didn't know it was THIS huge. i can actually slide my finger lightly over the iphone's surface and its registered properly. the sliding probably feels smoother as its glass, but i can live with the TP2's plastic. what do you guys think ? should i get it checked out at the HTC store ?? its on the other side of town, don't wanna waste a trip as if its not a problem
oh yeah and just to get this out of the way, the screen is a membrane and not a hard surface right ?? everytime i press on the screen using my finger or the stylus, i can feel the screen slightly moving down, can also see the surface getting slightly dented at the point my finger pushes it if looking at it from a certain angle.
ps before somebody asks: i only got to test the keyboard at the telco store, some punk had cracked the screen of the display set, so i didn't know about this screen issue until i actually purchased the set
sorry for the long post, but i'd really appreciate any comments
TIA
Well, I don't have an Iphone so i can't tell you about how it compares with the TP2, however, i found the display to be much better than the one on my old XDA. It will probably never as good as a capacitive device like the touchpad on my laptop, but I found it to work very well. You have to apply a certain amount of pressue to the display, because it reacts on pressure, so I guess there is nothing wrong with that. I also see a small dent when I use the stylus and press the display. I cannot confirm the screen slightly going down when pressing it.
To summarize it, i use the Stylus 90% of the time. It glides much better on the display than my finger does so the overall experience is slightly better when using a stylus. Plus i don't get any greasy fingerprints on my display.
However the 10% I use my fingers to work on it (and 25% of that 10% is spent on polishing I found it to work pretty well, so in general I don't think that the reviews were off when it comes to finger usability.
What you are describing is probably normal. Resistive screens do require pressure. The TP2 tends to require less pressure than others, but nonetheless it does require it. There's no comparison if you compare it to a capacitive screen device because those don't require pressure at all.
The flexing of the screen that you described is something all resistive screens have. Again, if you compare the screen flex of the TP2 to earlier HTC devices, it's greatly improved.
To be on the safe side, go to a store and try out other resistive screen devices and see if you experience the same thing as your own. Then you'll know what is considered "normal".
thanks for the replies, i'll probably head down to my telco's store and see if they've replaced the display set then.
any other comments ??
You know I thought the same, waiting for a cab to increase the sensitivity because at the moment its quite annoying pressing buttons more than once...
From a few years to nowadays i´ve always used QTEK/HTC devices, my latest one is, ofcourse, HTC RHODIUM, the rom it has installed is RUU_Rhodium_HTC_PTG_1.19.410.0_Radio_Rhodium_3.44.25.27_Signed_Ship, and the screen is very sensitive and responsive, i´m just very pleased with it overall, it´s the best.
Cheers.
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You know I thought the same, waiting for a cab to increase the sensitivity because at the moment its quite annoying pressing buttons more than once...
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you don't need .cab
just change in registry...
HKLM/drivers/Touch Driver/pressurethreshold, (default=10000)
(I might not remember perfectly, but it's something like that)
try this?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=469865
this might help just re align your screen again using little pressure then your screen will not need some much pressure to work.
I have found the this not only aligns the screen but the pressure as well.
mine I just have to lightly touch it and dont have to press very much at all.
Cheers
Most of the latest smartphones and upcoming phones appear to have capacative screens and they seem to be the preferred type. However, I still use a resistive screen and I recently borrowed an HTC HD2 with capactive screen and I was not that impressed.
Certainly, they do resopond to a lighter touch but for me that was an irritation as I would regularly accidentally touch/select something by mistake. My Touch Pro2 resistive screen does not require much more pressure on the screen but just enough that it is hard to select something accidentally. I also like to use my finger nail to select which of course you cannot do with a capactive screen. Selecting some of the smaller menus in Windows Mobile is quite difficult on a capactive screen.
The other reason I like using my finger nail is to minimize finger marks on the screen. I noticed when using a capactive screen that it was covered in finger marks very quickly.
So, are capactive screens really "better"? I have held off upgrading my Touch Pro2 as I do not think that capactive screens are better than some of the latter resistive screens. However, it seems that if I do want to upgrade my phone in due course I am going to have to go with a capactive screen.
Maybe my Touch Pro2 will serve me for a while longer yet!
Apparently I heard the Capactive screens dont have as accurate of touches either. But then again you have things like pinch zooming and stuff to that nature. With phones these days its all a give and a get. Your problem with thumb imprints, a lot of the newer screen protectors dont get thumbprints. My friend has an Evo with a Anti-Glare screen and he uses it so much that he carries arond two batteries with himself at all time, I have never seen a thumbprint on hisphone. Maybe its the anti-glare or the type of shield? I'm not sure. But with a damp cloth the prints go away quite easily
i never saw the benefit of pinch zooming either, it just seems like now i need 2 hands (one to hold the phone and one to pinch) to do something that only took 1 hand (double tap with my thumb while holding the phone in the same hand)
i felt that way about a lot of iphone "features" to me it just seemed like an extra step or more complex way to do something that was devised solely to justify the capacitive screen and say "looks its new and different, therefore it MUST be better!"
I'm a heavy user of Remote Desktop. I got to really sit down and play with my friends HD2 yesterday (capacitive screen). I found that I hated it. At first, the pinch & zoom with RDP is cool & looks impressive. In actual use however, I found it cumbersome and potentially dangerous. While playing with the pinch & zoom a few times with Windows Explorer open, I accidentally picked up huge chunks of my folders and dropped them somewhere else... Pressing small dialog boxes with my fat fingers was nearly impossible, and the program itself was buggy and cumbersome (sometimes very difficult to scroll to the corner to hit "X" or Start", etc.)
I'm sure some clever programmer could find a way to use these features effectively, but since WM 6.5 is essentially dead, I have to consider that this might be the *only* RDP client ever made for the HD2, and I found that it just isn't good enough.
I suspect my feelings about this will apply to many other programs when using a capacitive screen with them.
I think capacitive screens are good for telephonic use (big keys and little messages). For office use, stylus and keyboard are unsurpassed (little and accurate selections and long texts). Obviously many users are interested, understandably, to phones and producers prefer to sell more capacitive phones than a few pdaphones. Problems will come with professional and power users.
Imho.
From what little I've used them I can't stand them. I like pressing with the tip of my fingernail which obviously doesn't register. I also use the stylus quite a bit for scribbling quick notes and drawings. I've got pretty massive hands and going to press on a keyboard key is really hit or miss.
Why capacitive screens?
Because the industry follows the idiots at Apple. If apple releases something, they have to, because they are afraid of losing market share.
I'd like to see them come up with something apple DOESN'T have and spin it like his PR buddies do.
It's amazing... the iphone 4, when it was released and myself and a few of my
amateur radio buddies saw the OUTSIDE band that was an antenna we all started
laughing that it would probably have signal degradation, and sure enough, it did, because when you put your finger over the "spot", you change the wavelength of the antenna.
I'm just glad it was found to be imperfect BEFORE everyone jumped on THAT bandwagon, like they have with capacitive screens.
i think its a personal preference. I for one enjoy resistive. i like having the accurate point to highlight text where as its a pain to select text using any capacitive screen.
My gf recently got the Evo and i'm constantly pressing thing accidentally. also for the ipad, since its capacitive, thats why it doesn't have handwriting recognition. the only reason i considered getting one was because i could load up all my textbooks for my classes which would make it easier in several ways. wouldn't have to carry around a bunch of books and you good search for keywords rather than flipping through and trying to remember where that one paragraph was.
I know you can highlight, but to add notes, you have to use an onscreen keyboard. would of been much better if there was a stylus and you could just pull that out and jot down a couple notes real quick. but since its capacitive, no can do.
there was a blog (can't remember which one) which contained an article about how a new phone was coming out and the only bad thing about it was a resistive screen. The comments went ablaze with posts like in this thread. each has its pros and cons, but i prefer resistive.
I like using a stylus to tap smaller screen elements, especially with programs like remote desktop. However, after using resistive screens for the past five years, I reluctantly went capacitive with the Evo, and I have to say it wasn't that bad. I like that the screen is no longer squishy, the glass won't scratch when I clean it off my shirt, and multitouch makes it easier to zoom in to the exact size you want.
And while the Windows rdp program requires excessive pinch and zoom, the one I use on the Evo has a virtual mouse pointer, so I never have to resize the screen and I can click on even the smallest elements. I can also use my finger for larger things.
I'll see how I feel when it's 10 below and I have to answer my phone.
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I'll see how I feel when it's 10 below and I have to answer my phone.
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thats true.
Last winter and it was freezing, all my iphone friends had to take they're gloves off to use their phones (although there are gloves with a static point at the end that will work on capacitive screens) but i was fine with my tilt2 and gloves. Also swype is a lifesaver in the cold and when your wearing gloves, find the right gloves with a nice point at the end, not too blunt, and works perfectly!
Gaming and other multi-touch?
Gaming is really the only advantage I can see to using a capacitive screen; that is, the fact that you can easily have multi-touch controls. There's also the benefit of multi-touch gestures that can be useful- but these all still seem pretty buggy and somewhat of a pointless novelty where I have read about them being employed. I personally do not ever want to use a capacitive touchscreen device as there is just too much sacrifice in functionality. Sad that the market is moving hard in that direction.
Hi all,
I simply love this phone, but I'm facing a situation that my screen is too sensitive. The home screens were so sensitive a few programs were started without my knowledge. It got better after I switched to Launcher Pro.
However, it is still too sensitive in other areas. When I'm scrolling down, say, the apps in Market, I'll always end up selecting a few items accidentally before I reach the end of the list.
I've used HTC Desire in the past and I'm quite sure the problem is not due to me.
Does anyone else face the same problem, or I have a hardware problem? Or software problem? Can I be tweaked by any means?
Any feedback would be useful! Thanks!!!
KG
I faced this problem before... while swiping, apps accidentally open. But instead of "too sensitive" i thought it's insensitive... because a short swipe was sometimes interpreted as a tap (maybe because the swipe was not fully detected?).
Anyway, I had 2 layers on my device... the pre-applied sheet and another screen protector that came with the box.
I removed the second layer, leaving only the pre-applied sheet, and all is well again... no more accidental "taps"
vincent.hsy said:
I faced this problem before... while swiping, apps accidentally open. But instead of "too sensitive" i thought it's insensitive... because a short swipe was sometimes interpreted as a tap (maybe because the swipe was not fully detected?).
Anyway, I had 2 layers on my device... the pre-applied sheet and another screen protector that came with the box.
I removed the second layer, leaving only the pre-applied sheet, and all is well again... no more accidental "taps"
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Dude, you mean the cause was the screen protector that came with the phone???
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Dude, you mean the cause was the screen protector that came with the phone???
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For my case, maybe 2 layers is just too thick
I'm having the same problem. And that solution seems to make sense. I would give it a try, but if the problem still occurs, I'd be wasting one screen protector..
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I'm having the same problem. And that solution seems to make sense. I would give it a try, but if the problem still occurs, I'd be wasting one screen protector..
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That was how I solved my problem. I actually put on the spare screen protector because when I got the set I didn't realize there was already a pre-applied layer.
Don't blame me if it doesn't work for you
perhaps some of you guys just have the shakes?! ;-p
I guess the screen is never to perfect for everyone.
kargtan, I've noticed the same about the tap sensitivity - I often accidentally "tap" when I mean to swipe. Came from an iPhone 3g and didn't notice this on that device. Might be a matter of getting used to it, not sure. Have you gotten any feedback from others in other forums?
I've noticed this too, and put it down to the screen protector. It's not android OS causing it, never had the problem on my htc hero...
However, now that i've gotten used to the phone it doesnt do it any more - guess my brain has automatically trained itself to drag the screen a little bit more firmly or something.
One thing i have noticed about the arc is: because the bezel around the screen is so thin, i often accidentally launch apps just by holding it. My fingers wrap around slightly & touch the edges of the screen.
Does any of you have problems while trying to swap a screen from another and instead of swapping you get like a "bounce" and stay on the same screen? because that happens to me all the time, I came from an htc Legend and this is making me crazy !
btw, this happens to me if I hold the phone with my right hand and try to do the swapping with my thumb, the only way to get it right is to hold the phone with my left hand and use the index of my right hand
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Hi guys,
I think the problem arises from the slowness of the phone, not "too sensitive". I used to use the HTC Desire in the past and I was very used to the screen scrolling very quickly. In contrast, the arc is slower and hence the screens don't scroll as fast and hence my way of handling the Desire would cause the problems stated.
I did a few things since my last posting and it seems better now:
Replace the SE Home with Launcher Pro - this seems to have improved on the speed of the phone, and hence better responsiveness to the touch.
Rooted the phone and uninstalled some stock programs.
Removed useless widgets on the desktops.
Adjusted my way of scrolling as someone has suggested.
This is quite frustrating at times, especially so because other than this problem, this phone is a gem, especially its form factor, the sound quality and most importantly, the quality of the camera.
I might sell the phone once the company issues me with a Blackberry (DANG!), but I am kinda unwilling because I have been taking lots of photos with my Android phones and these photos are generally well-liked by my Facebook friends.
agree with bezel thing and hard to use thumb.
noticed arc screen (the screen guard perhaps ) easily get oily and slippery.
had to wipe phone and wash hand so often that make me like some sort of disorder.
Don't know why you guys seem to be having problems... I don't have any issues with my screen swipes at all... smooth and fast.. both on stock and Launcher Pro..
Same deal here. But that's because the screen is sensitive beyond the display area including the black border, and the edge is too narrow. When I use one hand swiping or tapping, the palm of my hand touches the black border. The screen registers two touches in quick succession and thus jumps.
In Phone keypad, enter *#*#7378423#*#* (the numbers mean SERVICE word in keypad), you can go into test mode. Select [Service test]->[Touch Screen] to test the badly touch screen of SE Phones.
You will discover when you swipe the edge of touch screen, the touched result is very not satisfied. The lines you swiped will not accurate and appear like jags, or stick on the edge of the screen.
The touch panel made in China...? ;-)
Me too!
Hey!
i also have a xperia tipo....and i too have the sensitive problem
Could also be a kernel problem?
I remember I installed a kernel a while back that would make my screen hypersensitive; just hovering over the screen would already activate it!
I don't remember which one, it was back in the GB days. But I'm pretty sure it can be changed in the kernel.
Anyone else have a problem with the screen not being assembled correctly?
If I swipe down from the top left for notifications, it's smooth going from the metal to the glass. But if I swipe down from the top right to do the quick settings, there's a noticeable gap. Or not really gap, but the screen sits higher than the metal. Friggin annoying as hell, considering how much I go to the quick settings. This and the notification light not working are already making me reconsider buying this thing....
I had that issue and T-Mobile gave me a new one. Manufacturered 4/9. I've yet tried to S-OFF.
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Cool, I'll call them and see if I can swap it out. Does your notification light work?
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Anyone else have a problem with the screen not being assembled correctly?
If I swipe down from the top left for notifications, it's smooth going from the metal to the glass. But if I swipe down from the top right to do the quick settings, there's a noticeable gap. Or not really gap, but the screen sits higher than the metal. Friggin annoying as hell, considering how much I go to the quick settings. This and the notification light not working are already making me reconsider buying this thing....
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I've returned two to T-Mobile for the same problem and a few other issues. The 3rd one I got is much better, still not 100%, but it's fine... At this early point in the game, I'm starting to think that you have to be super lucky to get one that is perfectly smooth and flush.
I have seen some people say that a screen protector will solve the problem or at least make it better, could always try that.
I know that with every first batch or so of a new device, there will be some duds... but man, seems more people than usual having issues related to build quality on this phone. It's an expensive device and HTC is marketing it as a "premium" device - if you're not happy with the build, by all means, go exchange it.
mine had the same problem. I did exchange it for a new one it's a little better. but now I know why samsung don't want to make a metal device.
Wow, I wonder how many people have this problem...
Like @aimfire72 said, with this being touted as a premium device with the whole "zero gap" design, you'd expect it to be assembled a little better... I'll probably be taking it back to T-Mobile tomorrow and hopefully the one I get is better.
I feel like I have been lucky. I have had no issues with the screen or speakers.
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Yeah same **** here this is very annoying
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My speaker grills are maybe MAYBE a human hairs width higher than the screen. We wound up with 4 lines, and all got the m8, and some of the other ones have more noticeable differences in height, but none of the other people using them have said anything, and I don't think they really care. I think that's something we often lose sight of, is that for most people that's just something they don't even think of. Sure, it would be nice if it was perfect on every device, but as long as it's within tolerance and the grills aren't popping up like some people have had, most people won't probably notice or care.
In any case, compared to my M7, the height difference is MUCH improved. My screen was decently higher than the top speaker grill, and that annoyed me as I always felt it when I swiped down the notification bar, but I got used to it and with a screen protector it just blended in to that bump.
Hallo everybody,
as I've been on one of then get a new Pre-Briefing sessionsnI had the chance to get a first Hands-On impression of the all new HTC U12+. This I decided to share it with you and allow for questions regarding the device. I'm well willing to answer them as good as possible. To get the following right, I'm competing the U12+ to my current device, which is the U11.
HTC simply makes everything better with the new flagship! You only have to hold it in your hands once, and you won't want to put it away, let alone miss it. I'm just saying "A phone that is more than the sum of its specs!" A dreamlike piece of technology! The best in advance in my eyes:
The device has no notch!
The metal frame that connects the front and back immediately gave me nostalgic memories of the HTC One M9 - especially the 0.5 mm small edge that extends around the front of the device and the U12+ (if you publish it before, then of course replace it with product!) a very good and great grip.
Also the separate Volume-Up/Down buttons remind me of the HTC One M9, which is one of the big special features of the HTC U12+, because the buttons are no longer mechanical buttons, but only digital! And not only here, but also at Edge Sense there are great developments!
Previously "only" the short and long press on Edge Sense, now Double Tap is added to the frame. A gesture that many people wished for as the next step in their development - me too!
In addition, Edge Sense 2.0 becomes smarter! Let's take the Edge Launcher as an example. Here Edge Sense recognizes on which side of the device I execute the double tap, and shows it on this side as well. HTC realizes an automated right/left-handed control, which I find extremely brilliant - brilliant U just .
Also ingenious: the HTC U12+ recognizes that you are holding it in your hand and locks the screen's autorotation if desired. Practical for me as a frequent flyer, because you won't believe how often the screen rotates when scanning the QR code on the online ticket, and the code is therefore not recognized. Others like to stall their smartphone on the train to show you a short YouTube video, and are annoyed when the video is minimized due to the screen rotation. Such annoyances are also a thing of the past with the HTC U12+.
Perhaps a few words about the technique. HTC sets the battery to 3500 mAh, with a nominal power of 3420mAh. Thanks to the economical Snapdragon 845 SoC, again manufactured in 10 nm technology, which is probably even more modest than its predecessor, it should certainly meet the daily energy requirements. This is also shown by the HTC U11, which with an insignificantly smaller display and 3000 mAh also brings a power user like me well through the day.
I have a clear one: I must have! (*and already pre-ordered the Translucent Blue Edition)
Why, you ask?! It's simple: it's - in my opinion - technically once again the best high-end smartphone of the year currently on the market, and features some great innovations and technological advances that make the purchase extraordinarily worthwhile. These include innovations in the area of Edge Sense 2.0, a profound integration of voice and Google functionalities - also in own apps - such as the camera and the new integration of Amazon Alexa.
Any idea how you'd power off the device if the system freezes? Normally I'd hold down the power button or remove the battery, but there's technically no power BUTTON and obviously no removable battery. How do you reboot the phone if the "hardware keys" don't respond?
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Any idea how you'd power off the device if the system freezes? Normally I'd hold down the power button or remove the battery, but there's technically no power BUTTON and obviously no removable battery. How do you reboot the phone if the "hardware keys" don't respond?
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It's a touch sensitive button that translates commands just like a mechanical button would translate such commands within the U11. As a matter of fact it is pressure sensitive in order to make possible it always reacts to your commands.
As I wrote on another threat. I'm really impressed with metal frame with no weak spots because no physical buttons. After all, I really like this new phone!
BTW haptic feedback is here also while phone is discharged.
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As I wrote on another threat. I'm really impressed with metal frame with no weak spots because no physical buttons. After all, I really like this new phone!
BTW haptic feedback is here also while phone is discharged.
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As far as I tested it, there is a slight haptic feedback even though the phone is off, when powering it up. Thus I'd guess the power manager takes care that there'll always be enough juice left in the battery to give us such a feedback. By the way you can deactivte this feedback in settings completely, once you got familiar to the new digital buttons.
Did you try the face unlock and the fingerprint scanner? Any delay? As you own the HTC u11, what about HTCs software updates? Thank you!
Impressed...only thing I would like out of them is a OLED display. Otherwise, will probably get rid of my bulky Pixel 2 XL and switch to this phone. Bootloader Unlocking, rooting/modding/Dev support have always been fantastic with HTC phones...and I can use it on Verizon!!
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Did you try the face unlock and the fingerprint scanner? Any delay? As you own the HTC u11, what about HTCs software updates? Thank you!
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Yes I did. Face Unlock needs a little delay as they recognize the depths of your face and eyes to make it more secure and to make sure one can't trick it with a picture of yours. Fingerprint is really fast. Didn't recognize any delay when trying it out. Nearly on pat with the brilliant technology of Huawei's fingerprint scanner I'd say.
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Impressed...only thing I would like out of them is a OLED display. Otherwise, will probably get rid of my bulky Pixel 2 XL and switch to this phone. Bootloader Unlocking, rooting/modding/Dev support have always been fantastic with HTC phones...and I can use it on Verizon!!
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Well that's an arguable one. For me personally I'll always prefer an LCD over an OLED, as OLED stolill suffers of burn it's and the LEDs are getting dimmer in time, due to manufacturers running them to bright for such an organic material.
in fact HTC switched back from Gorilla.Glass 5 to Gorilla Glass 3 which is, on the one hand much sturdier, and on the other hand allows for more brightness of the display. Held the Pixel 2XL once and holding my U11 currently. Both are bulkier in hand, as HTC got ergonomics on the U12+ right in any way.
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Really Corning Gorilla Glass 3? As I saw pre-production piece, I can't check it well. I see htc.com has no informations about version of GG. Interesting! Anyway good to know!
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Really Corning Gorilla Glass 3? As I saw pre-production piece, I can't check it well. I see htc.com has no informations about version of GG. Interesting! Anyway good to know!
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HTC went for a custom Corning Gorilla Glass solution on the front and back, noting that the company wanted a harder compound than Gorilla Glass 5. That means the final glass is somewhere in between Gorilla Glass 3 and 5. This harder glass should mean fewer scratches, too, and the glass choice should be useful for LTE reception.
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https://www.androidauthority.com/htc-u12-plus-colors-868077/
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Well that's an arguable one. For me personally I'll always prefer an LCD over an OLED, as OLED stolill suffers of burn it's and the LEDs are getting dimmer in time, due to manufacturers running them to bright for such an organic material.
in fact HTC switched back from Gorilla.Glass 5 to Gorilla Glass 3 which is, on the one hand much sturdier, and on the other hand allows for more brightness of the display. Held the Pixel 2XL once and holding my U11 currently. Both are bulkier in hand, as HTC got ergonomics on the U12+ right in any way.
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Features like AOD I really like, I know there are apps like Glance Plus, but they put little drain on the battery and I find useful with OLED. But I've also used other apps to do the same thing with LED displays on the HTC/LCD displays in the past, so I can live without OLED/AOD and have ways to give notifications/info without a pre-cooked option in a Rom. I've had my Pixel 2 XL for 3 months now, AOD always in use, there is no burn-in....Google fixed these issues assuming you don't have it in Torch mode always and activity randomly on the display. Putting it face down turns it off as well as a preventive measure at night. OLED are better in every way, except a possible burn in issue when it comes to color/black reproduction.
Anyway, you say you have held the U12+ and feels better in the hand compared to the Pixel 2 XL? By the thinner top/bottom and sides, and with the right case...that makes sense. This is what I loved about my OP 5T...but I switched to verizon...and now I'm stuck with limited options for Android and flagship level phones that allow a modding experience. This is just another option now on the market for VZW users.
Thanks
So... How do you enter the bootloader menu or download mode.
Can you still hold pwr+vol.dwn for download mode and pwr+vol.dwn+vol.up for bootloader?
Myrmeko said:
So... How do you enter the bootloader menu or download mode.
Can you still hold pwr+vol.dwn for download mode and pwr+vol.dwn+vol.up for bootloader?
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Still the same way as always. Mechanical buttons convert the pressure into digital signals as well, so the chip knows what to do since a long time. Only difference now: no translator needed any longer.
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Do we know if wifi calling works on verizon yet? I know with the U11 it was not supported on verizon specifically.
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Do we know if wifi calling works on verizon yet? I know with the U11 it was not supported on verizon specifically.
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Sorry man can't tell you as I'm from Germany and only had chance to test the EMEA variant right here.
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It's a touch sensitive button that translates commands just like a mechanical button would translate such commands within the U11. As a matter of fact it is pressure sensitive in order to make possible it always reacts to your commands.
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I was actually going to make an entire thread on these "buttons" until I saw your post. I was going to pull the trigger on buying the U12+ as soon as the phone was available for pre-order, ever since I saw the leaked spec sheet. The spec sheet makes this seem like a dream phone!
However my feelings changed when I saw these "buttons" were not really buttons, only touch sensitive bumps. My immediate concern was how awkward these "buttons" would feel. Then I grew even a bigger concern of how rebooting will work if it's frozen.
You say it will work when the OS frozen, but that doesn't seem to make sense to me. Think about it. The touch screen of phones does not work when phone is frozen. So why would touch buttons be any different? I imagine some where in the phone there has to be software that says "hey we been touched, send the signal to the OS to reboot."
For example laptops have completely separate software for the BIOS on a separate drive, so it still functions if the OS freezes. I'd imagine the U12+ "buttons" would have to be setup internally kind of like BIOS on a computer to work when the phone is frozen. It would need to be separate software to ensure it works when the main software is frozen.
So I am sorry but I think we need to get this concern addressed by an HTC engineer or at least an HTC representative. I have already emailed HTC about this issue but still waiting to hear back.
With that in mind I would like to know. How do the "buttons" feel? Isn't it awkward trying to push in something that doesn't move? Also what's the haptic feedback like? Does it vibrate the entire phone equally, or vibrate just that area near the button? How long did you have with the phone to play around with those "buttons?"
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However my feelings changed when I saw these "buttons" were not really buttons, only touch sensitive bumps. My immediate concern was how awkward these "buttons" would feel. Then I grew even a bigger concern of how rebooting will work if it's frozen.
You say it will work when the OS frozen, but that doesn't seem to make sense to me. Think about it. The touch screen of phones does not work when phone is frozen. So why would touch buttons be any different? I imagine some where in the phone there has to be software that says "hey we been touched, send the signal to the OS to reboot."
For example laptops have completely separate software for the BIOS on a separate drive, so it still functions if the OS freezes. I'd imagine the U12+ "buttons" would have to be setup internally kind of like BIOS on a computer to work when the phone is frozen. It would need to be separate software to ensure it works when the main software is frozen.
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With that in mind I would like to know. How do the "buttons" feel? Isn't it awkward trying to push in something that doesn't move? Also what's the haptic feedback like? Does it vibrate the entire phone equally, or vibrate just that area near the button? How long did you have with the phone to play around with those "buttons?"
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OK first things first. Those buttons got a separate circuitry as they always had, to make them work even thought the system is frozen.
There is a firmware layer - as its Linux based an separate partition actually - for the buttons. As you might find out if reading up on Linux based systems the firmware layers are a little bit different from the system, and connects the aboot/download mode to the OS. This is the exact same way its working on any laptop running Linux, macOS, or Windows.
So technically nothing to worry.
If it cames to the feel, let me say the following. If you "press" the "buttons", the phone gives a short buzz from the vibration motor as a feedback. You have to get accustomed to that, but can deactivate the haptic feedback completely in settings.
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5m4r7ph0n36uru said:
OK first things first. Those buttons got a separate circuitry as they always had, to make them work even thought the system is frozen.
There is a firmware layer - as its Linux based an separate partition actually - for the buttons. As you might find out if reading up on Linux based systems the firmware layers are a little bit different from the system, and connects the aboot/download mode to the OS. This is the exact same way its working on any laptop running Linux, macOS, or Windows.
So technically nothing to worry.
If it cames to the feel, let me say the following. If you "press" the "buttons", the phone gives a short buzz from the vibration motor as a feedback. You have to get accustomed to that, but can deactivate the haptic feedback completely in settings.
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Perfect timing! I was just coming to update my post because I found out that Apple changed their iPhone home button to only be touch starting in the 7, also in the 8. Interesting I never knew that as a Android user.
Apples soft reset was always home and power buttons held together. But when they changed the home button to be touch only, then they changed the soft reset to be home and volume down buttons. If touch button will work for resetting a frozen phone then why did Apple change theirs when they went to a touch haptic button?
I understand what firmware, and separate partions, and all that stuff is. Except based off what I just found out Apple did with the 7 and 8 I'm still sleptical. Still waiting for HTCs response to my email about this. No offense, I just want their confirmation on this particular issue since no manufacturer has ever done this before with these buttons.
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Apples soft reset was always home and power buttons held together. But when they changed the home button to be touch only, then they changed the soft reset to be home and volume down buttons. If touch button will work for resetting a frozen phone then why did Apple change theirs when they went to a touch haptic button?
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Maybe they just didn't want it to work the old way, or the iOS structure didn't allow for the same to work as on Android. Remember that iOS uses force touch as well and integrated it in a completely different way than Android did. I never understood Apple as there are many thing as well in iOS don't making any sense in his they've been implemented and are working nowadays.
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I was really hoping they would use oled screen.. but still lcd