Hi everyone.
I´m comming from a HTC HD2 with "Energy Rom" (Android 2.3.5, Sense 3.5), now i got my HTC One X for six days (and yesterday rooting and changing to Rom "Android Revolution HD 5.2.0").
After last six days of testing, it is still an amazing device, but there are lots of bad things that have to be said about the HOX:
1) --> The HOX is not smooth!
The HOX has the most powerful CPU on earth, but still it is not able to run realy smoot. Compared to the iPhone, the home screen doesn't rotate realy smoot, the app-drawer matrix doesn't scroll smooth, and worst of all the scrolling through Pictures lags.
2) --> The HOX is not that intuitive as it should be.
First example - the music player:
When you click on music-player, then first button "my phone" (in german "Eigenes Telefon"), you can click on top the pull-down-menu to change to "genres". Now you click on "Rap" and want to choose the Artist --> but there is no artist! Not even the artists name is mentioned. You only can choose the album-name.
When you pump up 20 Gbyte music, it is not realy possible to easily choose the song you whant to hear.
Second example - the ringtone:
Nomaly you choose the ringtone in "settings --> sound". But e.g. the sms tone must be changed in "sms --> menu --> settings --> notification --> notification ringtone".
Why so complicated?
3) --> The USB Connection to the internal storage is slow.
On my HTC HD2 i used a Class 10 SD-Card. Writing movies or navigation-maps on it, after taking the card out of the device, had a writing speed at about 10 MB/s.
When i read about the internal storage, i thought it is at least as fast as a good SD-Card. But when i connect my HOX via USB i get max. 5 - 6 MB/s.
4) --> The HTC car app does not launch with connecting a bluetooth-device.
With Sense 3.5 you can set the "old" HTC car app to launch when a bluetooth-device connects - this means: every bluetooth-device! So when starting the engine, my car-radio connects to the HTC, the old app starts immediatly.
The new HTC car app looks realy great, but it doesn't start when the radio connects.
And as if this were not enough: the new car app can not rotate to portrait-mode.
Why?
5) --> Lockscreen-Links can not be defined independently.
With Sense 3.5 the lockscreen-app-links can be set as you whant.
With Sense 4 the links can not been changed. They are the same as the links in the dock bar.
Why?
6) --> Homescreen can not rotate around.
I find it realy disturbing that the homescreen can not scroll over from far right to far left.
So guys, I hope you comment these things or give hints or tips.
Best regards,
Nem.
I agree with 1,3,5 and 6
Hopefully they all can be fixed with a software update
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA
nemesis01 said:
1) --> The HOX is not smooth!
The HOX has the most powerful CPU on earth, but still it is not able to run realy smoot. Compared to the iPhone, the home screen doesn't rotate realy smoot, the app-drawer matrix doesn't scroll smooth, and worst of all the scrolling through Pictures lags.
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Depends on which ROM you're running I guess. The home screen doesn't rotate by default in sense so...
In the end I've never had a lagless computer, but the One X is snappy enough for me...
nemesis01 said:
2) --> The HOX is not that intuitive as it should be.
First example - the music player:
When you click on music-player, then first button "my phone" (in german "Eigenes Telefon"), you can click on top the pull-down-menu to change to "genres". Now you click on "Rap" and want to choose the Artist --> but there is no artist! Not even the artists name is mentioned. You only can choose the album-name.
When you pump up 20 Gbyte music, it is not realy possible to easily choose the song you whant to hear.
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This seems like a software issue rather than an issue with the One X. Are you sure your music is tagged right?
nemesis01 said:
Second example - the ringtone:
Nomaly you choose the ringtone in "settings --> sound". But e.g. the sms tone must be changed in "sms --> menu --> settings --> notification --> notification ringtone".
Why so complicated?
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lol. How long did it take you to figure that out anyhow?
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3) --> The USB Connection to the internal storage is slow.
On my HTC HD2 i used a Class 10 SD-Card. Writing movies or navigation-maps on it, after taking the card out of the device, had a writing speed at about 10 MB/s.
When i read about the internal storage, i thought it is at least as fast as a good SD-Card. But when i connect my HOX via USB i get max. 5 - 6 MB/s.
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This is something I don't like either. Honestly, when I bought the phone a pulled a bone head move and hadn't realized there was no SD card... just before paying I realized, and figured I'd give it a go... consider the battery life and lack of micro SD AND USB OTG, I'm a bit miffed about my decision, but still happy enough to stick with it for a while. After all, the Galaxy S3 isn't out yet and ugly as hell.
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4) --> The HTC car app does not launch with connecting a bluetooth-device.
With Sense 3.5 you can set the "old" HTC car app to launch when a bluetooth-device connects - this means: every bluetooth-device! So when starting the engine, my car-radio connects to the HTC, the old app starts immediatly.
The new HTC car app looks realy great, but it doesn't start when the radio connects.
And as if this were not enough: the new car app can not rotate to portrait-mode.
Why?
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This seems like an issue with HTC Sense, more than the One X. You might try some non stock apps... if you want a ready made package, you should probably just get an apple product... This is probable something which could be solved by reporting to the proper developers, or by getting the right apps installed on your device.
nemesis01 said:
5) --> Lockscreen-Links can not be defined independently.
With Sense 3.5 the lockscreen-app-links can be set as you whant.
With Sense 4 the links can not been changed. They are the same as the links in the dock bar.
Why?
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You keep asking why. No one here is a developer for Sense. Send it to their Support Reps.
nemesis01 said:
6) --> Homescreen can not rotate around.
I find it realy disturbing that the homescreen can not scroll over from far right to far left.
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Check out the LeeDroid ROM (if you like sense), or Go Launcher (another Homescreen App).
nemesis01 said:
So guys, I hope you comment these things or give hints or tips.
Best regards,
Nem.
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Realize, this isn't a support forum, but a hobbyist developer forum. If you want Support, go to the developer of the product you want. If you want help, this is the place.
As for the quick links, i believe they did what most people would do assume the "quick links" you have on your home screen and the ones your most likely to use.
also my phone has always been smooth as butter even on stock ROM.
You can change the quick link by changing the dock icon
Sent from my HTC One X using xda premium
nemesis01 said:
Hi everyone.
I´m comming from a HTC HD2 with "Energy Rom" (Android 2.3.5, Sense 3.5), now i got my HTC One X for six days (and yesterday rooting and changing to Rom "Android Revolution HD 5.2.0").
After last six days of testing, it is still an amazing device, but there are lots of bad things that have to be said about the HOX:
1) --> The HOX is not smooth!
The HOX has the most powerful CPU on earth, but still it is not able to run realy smoot. Compared to the iPhone, the home screen doesn't rotate realy smoot, the app-drawer matrix doesn't scroll smooth, and worst of all the scrolling through Pictures lags.
2) --> The HOX is not that intuitive as it should be.
First example - the music player:
When you click on music-player, then first button "my phone" (in german "Eigenes Telefon"), you can click on top the pull-down-menu to change to "genres". Now you click on "Rap" and want to choose the Artist --> but there is no artist! Not even the artists name is mentioned. You only can choose the album-name.
When you pump up 20 Gbyte music, it is not realy possible to easily choose the song you whant to hear.
Second example - the ringtone:
Nomaly you choose the ringtone in "settings --> sound". But e.g. the sms tone must be changed in "sms --> menu --> settings --> notification --> notification ringtone".
Why so complicated?
3) --> The USB Connection to the internal storage is slow.
On my HTC HD2 i used a Class 10 SD-Card. Writing movies or navigation-maps on it, after taking the card out of the device, had a writing speed at about 10 MB/s.
When i read about the internal storage, i thought it is at least as fast as a good SD-Card. But when i connect my HOX via USB i get max. 5 - 6 MB/s.
4) --> The HTC car app does not launch with connecting a bluetooth-device.
With Sense 3.5 you can set the "old" HTC car app to launch when a bluetooth-device connects - this means: every bluetooth-device! So when starting the engine, my car-radio connects to the HTC, the old app starts immediatly.
The new HTC car app looks realy great, but it doesn't start when the radio connects.
And as if this were not enough: the new car app can not rotate to portrait-mode.
Why?
5) --> Lockscreen-Links can not be defined independently.
With Sense 3.5 the lockscreen-app-links can be set as you whant.
With Sense 4 the links can not been changed. They are the same as the links in the dock bar.
Why?
6) --> Homescreen can not rotate around.
I find it realy disturbing that the homescreen can not scroll over from far right to far left.
So guys, I hope you comment these things or give hints or tips.
Best regards,
Nem.
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1. Pretty smooth with me, and this will improve. It's a brand new phone, and htc's always seem to be like this early on.
2. For me it's logical. If I want to change my sms alert, I would go into sms settings. I don't really changed my alerts, but that's the way I'd do it.
With the music app, I use Google music which is easy for finding what you want to listen to. I usually use playlists, and I never use genres, as I listen to what I would class as hard rock. Depending on the band its genre could be classed as anything from rock to metal to punk to progressive rock to grunge to alt rock and another 10 or so permutations
3. Transfer could definitely be faster, but I don't do that much transfering so it's not a huge deal for me. I would transfer across the odd movie or rom, and it doesn't take long.
4. Don't use the car app.
5. I guess they just used the logic that the programs on your dock bar would be the ones you access most often. It makes sense to me, but it wouldn't be too much effort for them to give people the choice.
6. Homescreen rotates on custom ROM, guess it was only designed to be used when the phone is docked? If you mean the carousel effect, this was ditched for sense 4.0. Guess it's part of slimming sense down. As always, some people love it, others want it how it was.
You've got valid points, but some of them are just getting used the slightly different way of doing things.
Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2
terrycsw0117 said:
You can change the quick link by changing the dock icon
Sent from my HTC One X using xda premium
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And this, my friend, is called rocket sci... I mean... customizing your phone. It's sweet!
nemesis01 said:
Second example - the ringtone:
Nomaly you choose the ringtone in "settings --> sound". But e.g. the sms tone must be changed in "sms --> menu --> settings --> notification --> notification ringtone".
Why so complicated?
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Personalize--->sound tab
Can change all notification/ringtones etc from there.......
Sense 4.0 heh. Just slap on stock ICS on this and it will fly.
Waiting for S-OFF.
nemesis01 said:
Second example - the ringtone:
Nomaly you choose the ringtone in "settings --> sound". But e.g. the sms tone must be changed in "sms --> menu --> settings --> notification --> notification ringtone".
Why so complicated?
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Go to settings > Personalize > right tab will give you all the sounds you want to change. Click on Notifications & you get to change the Default, SMS Calendar, E-mail & Task notifications.
The Sense launcher is laggy, just slap an Apex launcher over it and you re golden.
After tweaking I transfer big files with 15mb/sec. But with stock it was 4-6.
The music problem is easy fixed by using Mixzing or PowerAMP.
nemesis01 said:
4) --> The HTC car app does not launch with connecting a bluetooth-device.
With Sense 3.5 you can set the "old" HTC car app to launch when a bluetooth-device connects - this means: every bluetooth-device! So when starting the engine, my car-radio connects to the HTC, the old app starts immediatly.
The new HTC car app looks realy great, but it doesn't start when the radio connects.
And as if this were not enough: the new car app can not rotate to portrait-mode.
Why?
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This also applies to the Locations built in mapping software sadly (no portrait mode).
I'm guessing they are trying to push it along with their car dock as a 'package', which holds the phone in landscape mode, but I don't want to pay out on a dock that will likely not fit my next phone, even if it is an HTC. I have a perfectly good universal holder securely fitted in my van which will fit any phone I own thanks.
Not sure how many if any ever used the paid Locations App, but it is handy to have the maps on phone if you have no data connection.
Fortunately, CoPilot now offers a freemium option that lets you download the maps and only pay if you want turn by turn.
I think HTC has tried to simplify Sense because of previous criticisms from 'reviewers' and have probably gone too far the opposite way.
Several of the things like carousel, dock icons, etc. they could have made simple to start with, then added the option to tweak it in the settings. Maybe they will go back the other way in a later version, or modders on here will work out how to do it for them, as usual.
Although I've always used other launchers in the past, I quite like the Sense 4 launcher, mainly because of some of the widgets. However, I will NEVER understand why they went with a 4 x 4 grid on such a massive screen - its such a waste of space.
The only reasoning I can think is that they wanted it to be the same across the whole One series, including the One V, but that's really not a good enough reason to limit your flagship device HTC!
nemesis01 said:
1) --> The HOX is not smooth! Compared to the iPhone...
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Mine is and I have 80 some apps loaded on it. The only stutter I've noticed is in the secondary weather animations. Read this. It's a Google engineer explaining how Android renders graphics. Power can't overcome some of the limitations she describes. The answer to an iPhone comparison can only be "perhaps you should have gotten an iPhone?" The One X is smoother than any of the six modern (as opposed to a hacked three year old Windows phone running Android) phones I’ve owned in the past two years.
https://plus.google.com/10505198573...8x93s#105051985738280261832/posts/2FXDCz8x93s
2) --> The HOX is not that intuitive as it should be.
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This is my first time using Sense since it was called Manila. I've used Samsung devices prior to the One X. I find the work HTC's done in Sense 4.0 to be pretty amazing. Like rejecting a call with a message automatically adds a task to return the call to your calendar so it’s available at your desk. To me, it's probably the most intuitive and well thought out interface available on an Android phone. Again, if you want intuitive, get an iPhone. Samsung and Motorola's devices are less, not more intuitive.
4) --> The HTC car app does not launch with connecting a bluetooth-device.
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Can't comment. My dock hasn't arrived yet.
5) --> Lockscreen-Links can not be defined independently.
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Nice to have but something "that needs to be said?"
6) --> Homescreen can not rotate around.
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No, it doesn't. But when docked a cleaner easier to use replacement's provided.
So far these are the things that I've found that I'd like changed and I think they'd impact more people and are more material than the home screen not rotating.
1) No ICS Native Voice Dialer - HTC left it out and all the ICS compatible APK's I’ve found crash. Vlingo is the only way to initiate voice calls over BT and it's far from a clean solution.
2) No LinkedIn Connector for Sense - It worked on earlier versions of Sense but not 4.0. It's a pretty big omission for people that use their phone for business.
3) No Resizing of HTML E-Mail - The stock mail app should be able to allow pinch-to-zoom to adjust the size of HTML e-mail. As it is, you have to scroll.
There’s a lot of niggly things that I’d prefer be implement differently but I’d never post them on a forum because what’s important to me may not be important to others. We each use our phones differently. One device, no matter who makes it, is going to please everyone equally.
gonzo99 said:
This also applies to the Locations built in mapping software sadly (no portrait mode).
I'm guessing they are trying to push it along with their car dock as a 'package', which holds the phone in landscape mode, but I don't want to pay out on a dock that will likely not fit my next phone, even if it is an HTC. I have a perfectly good universal holder securely fitted in my van which will fit any phone I own thanks.
Not sure how many if any ever used the paid Locations App, but it is handy to have the maps on phone if you have no data connection.
Fortunately, CoPilot now offers a freemium option that lets you download the maps and only pay if you want turn by turn.
I think HTC has tried to simplify Sense because of previous criticisms from 'reviewers' and have probably gone too far the opposite way.
Several of the things like carousel, dock icons, etc. they could have made simple to start with, then added the option to tweak it in the settings. Maybe they will go back the other way in a later version, or modders on here will work out how to do it for them, as usual.
Although I've always used other launchers in the past, I quite like the Sense 4 launcher, mainly because of some of the widgets. However, I will NEVER understand why they went with a 4 x 4 grid on such a massive screen - its such a waste of space.
The only reasoning I can think is that they wanted it to be the same across the whole One series, including the One V, but that's really not a good enough reason to limit your flagship device HTC!
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Google maps also offers map cacheing, and the http://www.openstreetmap.org/ project has a number of compatible apps which allow offline maps - but the cache is the quality of the map depends on the mapping community in your area... they're usually not so bad
Thx 2 all!
Hi everybody,
thanks a lot to all of you for your postings.
I just wanted to start the discussion, because when you read tests or comments about the HOX, then you most read something about the "first impressions". Magazines, blogs etc. often compare the HOX with the most popular smartphone: the iPhone. Then you may also read something about "THE IPHONE KILLER". I hate phrases like this! Why do I have to kill something that is behind me ?
I just wanted to say, that even the HOX has potential to get better - and thats why I installed the ARHD-ROM
I just wanted to post my opinion to the HOX as objectively as i can be. Don´t missundersand me: for me, today the HOX is the best phone on earth. Never wanted to have an iPhone. I just waited for the presentation of the Samsung Galaxy S3 and on the same Day I decided to buy the HOX.
1- The famous problem with Rosie.apk and the layered widgets, the OnDemand governor of the one X doesn't Ramp CPUs speed to full unless pushed hard and so in the launcher the CPUs are not to blame, neither the GPU since its linked to CPU clocks, the launcher is simply running at low clocks plus heavy layering in the widgets and hence the stutter, solution to this is actually optimizing the sense launcher and this is where ultra rosie mod fixes it
Topic on the issue, please vote since im already in contact with HTC:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1649819
6- well its a Sense 4 simplification decision and i quit like it, you either get scrolling wallpaper or frozen wallpaper plus loop, both are actually easy control if you hack rosie.apk
Supaiku said:
lol. How long did it take you to figure that out anyhow?
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What I was thinking. Why not change the sound on the Personalize tab?
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Personalize--->sound tab
Can change all notification/ringtones etc from there.......
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omar302 said:
Go to settings > Personalize > right tab will give you all the sounds you want to change. Click on Notifications & you get to change the Default, SMS Calendar, E-mail & Task notifications.
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What I was thinking.
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio Z715e using Tapatalk 2
kokusho said:
The Sense launcher is laggy, just slap an Apex launcher over it and you re golden.
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Doing that though, you loose the usage of Sense widgets?
The whole point of having a htc phone is to enjoy using htc widgets, isn't?
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Hi All
FYI - A new upodate available at HTC for SEA non-branded TP2's.
ROM Version 2.07.707.1
Manila Version 2.5.20121225.6
http://www.htc.com/sea/supportdownloadlist.aspx?p_id=250&act=sd&cat=all
This one updates to a new version of Sense Ui and other stuff.
Impressions?
1. No Task Manager that can be utilised from the Home Screen (so how to change apps..?).
No Task Manager also means you can't readily see how much RAM is being hogged by the system.
2. No missed calls provision on Home Screen either..?
You do get the small icon on the top bar, a pop-up message AND the LED (green) actually flashes now - had to hack it before to do that.
3. Perhaps it's just mine, but to me the proximity sensor does not work now - it used too.
4. The shortcut Icons are stupidly large (3 per row).
5. The Programs Tab has been removed - this is a drag as the WinMo Programs area is still not dragable (just a go to the top option).
6. The Music Tab seems to now work better - at least it shows Album Art correctly now!
7. There's a Twitter Tab- not that i use it.
8. Calendar works differently.
9. Older Opera than current.
10. Older Google Maps than current.
11. It seems to be way louder than before too, both thru speaker and earpiece on a call - yay!!
12. The People Tab has changed to the new style - good.
13. FYI, SRS W0W (Sector HD2 version) still sends this version into no wakeup from Stand By mode - Damn!
13. New start animation (HTC-Simply Brilliant).
14. New background animations for Screen and Lock Screen.
15. Still can't believe that a Note file is not finger scrollable (WTF), yet Word is....
16. I have a sneaking suspicion that the battery life has taken a hit too, but unconfirmed at this point.
Lots of other changes to the UI, too numerous to make a big list.
In one way it is an improvement, although (to me) there have been a couple of backward steps, but overall, seems to be good.
One final thing, with this new UI - to me at least - it makes the scren look a little ...smaller.
Cheers
Jabberoo
wow, they give us sense 2.5? how generous...lol
but seriously, no task manager? how is the package overall? snappy or slower than 2.1? my old 6.5 upgrade is running sweetly at the moment, but this update is tempting
mr_sheen said:
wow, they give us sense 2.5? how generous...lol
but seriously, no task manager? how is the package overall? snappy or slower than 2.1? my old 6.5 upgrade is running sweetly at the moment, but this update is tempting
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Still unsure, early days.
I have some doubts that the battery life will be as good with this new update, but time will tell. It does seem a little less glitchy when using, the Home Screen seems a little overcrowded though with 2.5.
Still really don't get the no Task Manager thing, how the hell do you multi-task if you have to go through a menu series of hoops to reinstate the underlying programs that are still open.
With that, if they can't be triggered off with an X option (like on the previous versions' TM) they will all just bank up till your RAM says goodnight or you need to go into the bog standard old TM to turn them off.
Maybe I am missing something here, but this is a major oversight....
Also, as above, the no Programs Tab, means you need to use the WinMo Program list and with no real way to put things where you want them (just the Move to Top option) seems kinda dopey too.
Cheers
Jabberoo
jabberoo said:
Still unsure, early days.
I have some doubts that the battery life will be as good with this new update, but time will tell. It does seem a little less glitchy when using, the Home Screen seems a little overcrowded though with 2.5.
Still really don't get the no Task Manager thing, how the hell do you multi-task if you have to go through a menu series of hoops to reinstate the underlying programs that are still open.
With that, if they can't be triggered off with an X option (like on the previous versions' TM) they will all just bank up till your RAM says goodnight or you need to go into the bog standard old TM to turn them off.
Maybe I am missing something here, but this is a major oversight....
Also, as above, the no Programs Tab, means you need to use the WinMo Program list and with no real way to put things where you want them (just the Move to Top option) seems kinda dopey too.
Cheers
Jabberoo
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This is the interface that the HD2 got, am i right? do they new weather animation thats different than sense 2.1?
As for the no task manager, that is totally weird. You might want to write to HTC customer service about that and see what they come up with. I personally think its stupid to exclude the task manager though.
For the start menu, i usually us Joe Wilcox's awesome start thing because i cant stand the honeycomb layout. I thought it was just a mess, and one thing for sure, i never use the start menu. I just put the program tab straight up next to my home tab. So, again, i think its stupid that they got rid of the program tab as well.
How was the opera? you said that it was older right? well in the 6.1 official upgrade it was smooth when i scroll up and down on it, in yhe official 6.5 it just lags and not smooth, although the page renders perfectly. How's the opera scrolling in this package?
thank you for your response though
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Would be good to move this thread to ROM section so more members can see it
AWESOME!!!
Even if Opera is older, actually renders touch.facebook.com alot better than previous releases (ie when ya tap a picture it shows up)
Google Maps 4 loads probably 3 times quicker on this rom than the first official SEA WM6.5
You can tell it to update weather and location on a schedule!! Yay!
It supports turning the ringer down when ya pick up the device, and has a pocket mode that makes it ring louder
It integrates the HTC messaging so ya dont see the ugly MS SMS app anymore
With this ROM, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend a TP2 to my non tech savvy friends.
First impressions: I'm more excited than when I first got my TP2! Now to test Coreplayer and xVID AVIs (which where fine with 6.1 and not the 1st 6.5)
mr_sheen said:
This is the interface that the HD2 got, am i right? do they new weather animation thats different than sense 2.1?
As for the no task manager, that is totally weird. You might want to write to HTC customer service about that and see what they come up with. I personally think its stupid to exclude the task manager though.
For the start menu, i usually us Joe Wilcox's awesome start thing because i cant stand the honeycomb layout. I thought it was just a mess, and one thing for sure, i never use the start menu. I just put the program tab straight up next to my home tab. So, again, i think its stupid that they got rid of the program tab as well.
How was the opera? you said that it was older right? well in the 6.1 official upgrade it was smooth when i scroll up and down on it, in yhe official 6.5 it just lags and not smooth, although the page renders perfectly. How's the opera scrolling in this package?
thank you for your response though
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To the above, yes the Home Screen weather ani is there, but it was the first thing to go - seen it once and after that it just messed with resources.
The same with the annoying uber-flipping clock, maybe good on the HD2 but not so on the TP2 where it tended to be a little laggy and buggy in motion.
I added the X Touch Task Manager back in and now it is as it should have been from the start - much better.
For the Programs Tab, i grabbed Cookies Cab that did some neat stuff, see here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=625483. The only down side with this is, as i've just discovered, is that you wont have a landscape Home Screen with the keyboard out...?
I did not really use Opera, just updated it and Google Maps straight away to the latest versions.
Overall, i think it is smoother, a little less laggy and well worth a look.
Did i mention it was louder too?
(I used the Audio Para tweak, but now do not have too)
Cheers
Jabberoo
can anyone confirm that the
Manila Version 2.5.20121225.6
in previous SEA 2.07 thread, it says 2.5.20121225.0
is there any differences?
x_sliver said:
can anyone confirm that the
Manila Version 2.5.20121225.6
in previous SEA 2.07 thread, it says 2.5.20121225.0
is there any differences?
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I have the same question, too
Contacts & Messaging sucks
While I can agree with some of the improvements that they have made, both contacts and messaging has been screwed up, a big mess.
Often one of this makes the phone hang and should say that I have reset the phone on more occasions in the last 2 days than I have done it in the last 6 months.
Missing feature of Task Manager from the task bar and the Program Tabs are a big let down.
Damn I am now waiting to get the next release, if we will have one.
anybody knows how to cut the RAM usage down at the start? my old official Sense 2.1 managed to started up at 42 % RAM after the resproxy tweaks and no push internet tweak. It seems that in this ROM those tweeks seems to do nothing, After i did the tweak on this Sense 2.5 ROM, the it starts up at 47%.
Anything new then? Plus there seems to be new entry in the resproxy registry called maxsharememsize or something like that. Should we put that to 0?
Does anyone encountered the standby of dead issue in this rom? I have this problem when the first time i lock my phone and go to standby mode from the fresh boot up and it just wouldn't wakeup after i press the power on button. It seems the solution is to wait a little bit longer after you lock your phone then only switch the phone off. I have not seen this problem in previous official sea rom.
i am now seriously considering switching back to the official sense 2.1
why?
1. The resproxy and no push internet tweak doesnt work. My Ram shot >70% after a day where i use all the feature (twitter tab,album,music,lock screen etc)
2. The messaging app is just...bad. It lags and not responsive sonewhat. Plus after a soft reset it reads the sms that i have in inbox as coming from my sim card contact rather than phone contact. Glitchy.
3. It seems pretty quick after a hard reset, but after all the contacts is in and weather updated + software and such, the home screen and the whoke experience started to lag.
overall i think they should just keep the 2.5 to the HD2 i guess. Our TP2 just wont cut it...
Hi jabberoo, how do you get back the X Touch Task Manager back?
shortly after applying this ROM, my TP2 fell of the window sill and bounced off the bench into the sink
Its away getting insurance quotes, etc. Having to rely on my Dopod 838 Pro. Yuck...
overall, this new official ROM is far much better than sense 2.1 altho u have to be a lil'conservative on opening programs. One feature I still can get to work perfectly...the FB photo albums on contacts. Not a single pic that I've seen appear on the album,eventho they did show the respective album names and number of pics inside.
Does it Have Vietnamese roms?
Do you think HTC SEA have vietnamese language? how do you switch to another language in HTC WM 6.5.xx?
haoren said:
Hi jabberoo, how do you get back the X Touch Task Manager back?
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Hi
Not sure of the question here...
You grab the "Touch X Taskmanager.cab", install it, go to settings/system and configure it, voila....!
I found the "Touch_X_Homescreen_Flip_clock_OFF.cab" is good too, getting rid of the unneccessary flipping action which becomes irritating after a short time, the "Touch_X_Left_softkey_as_camera.cab" is worthwhile too, instead of doubling up for Phone or using a quick link space for it.
Hope that helps...
BTW, the Mods to expand the Quick Links (HD2 tweaks) are all useless at this point, handy but useless, as they break Landscape mode with the Keyboard in the out position.
I am still finding that a GPS lock using TomTom can take several minutes to execute on this ROM, so no improvement there. It does work well, just can sometimes take a while to lock (but eventually does...)
Cheers to all
Jabberoo
I had noticed that with the Facebook Albums, too. I'm going to lodge a thing with HTC once I have my phone again...
As for the GPS lock taking several minutes: I get that with a brand new TomTom Go 750 if I travel to a different location with it off, then turn it on. I used to think the TP2 was a POS in that regard, but when the TomTom did it I thought that maybe it wasn't specific to the TP2.
penguinjet said:
Does anyone encountered the standby of dead issue in this rom? I have this problem when the first time i lock my phone and go to standby mode from the fresh boot up and it just wouldn't wakeup after i press the power on button. It seems the solution is to wait a little bit longer after you lock your phone then only switch the phone off. I have not seen this problem in previous official sea rom.
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Never had this issue with the ROM.
I tried to utilise SRS WOW (which is great) but this Standby issue was the end result on the TP2 (any ROM), which was a shame....
Cheers
Jabberoo
I will update this thread as I found issues.
1. Middle of downloads the phone turned off and refused to switch on. Taking the battery out enabled restarting the phone again.
2. Despite of master reset/factory reset the phone is really laggy. Freezing applications made Defy very responsive but under 2.2.2 it appears no difference at all. (Second factory reset seems brought back somme life to my phone now...)
3. Definitely something is causing an annoying delay at startup even though the phone appears to be ready to use.
4. I have noticed once after a restart the capacitive buttons didn't light up for 1-2 minutes even though I was using the phone. The LauncherPro is installed and I'm suspecting that is the culprit here.
5. Once a number is dialed the phone locks itself. This is rather inconvenience when you need immediately use the key pad to select options. (20 June 2011)
Guidelines - 20 June 2011
I decided to write a guideline for Defy users. The information provided here have already been mentioned by others but normally not in one place. Please follow the steps below every time you flash a new ROM.
1. Master Reset (Whether you like this step or not this is required to do. Imagine upgrading a windows machine, it would be simply a mess in most cases. Any pro users would tell you always to do a clearn install. The same principle with Android applies)
2. Discharge the battery (It seems flashing a ROM messes up the battery calibration. Drain the battery to the point it won't boot then recharge it from the wall socket)
3. Avoid Restoring Apps (Only if is a must. Since Android 2.2 is different to 2.1 many apps might not work very well with the same settings restored from 2.1. Some vendors also offer different version for Android 2.2 or higher. Installing from market is best practice)
4. Avoid using widgets (They are simply battery eaters. Avoid them if they don't provide useful functionality to you)
5. Don't trust all vendors (Many apps placed on Android Market is written by programmers with no experience at all. A badly written app not only drains more battery but also takes up more precious RAM than it should. The less RAM you have, the slower the phone performs)
6. Don't keep large number of emails in your inboxes (They simply take up more memory)
7. Charge your mobile from wall socket when you can. It really does make a difference and also a recommended method by Motorola.
8. Put the Mobile Network to 2G when you can. It does save considerable amount of battery.
9. Switch off the phone once per day for 30 seconds before switching it on again.
Any chance to get hands on SBF for this release
Download available : Here http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/support/update/#
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4. I have noticed once after a restart the capacitive buttons didn't light up for 1-2 minutes even though I was using the phone. The LauncherPro is installed and I'm suspecting that is the culprit here.
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I notice on my handset (UK T-Mobile eclair) that the capacitive buttons sometimes dont light up when holding the phone landscape. I think there is a light sensor somewhere which detects the ambient light and adjusts the capacitive button lighting.
techguyone said:
Download available : Here http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/support/update/#
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I am on cm7 not sure if the phone will be detected by the msu. Will try once getting back home.
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techguyone said:
Download available : Here http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/support/update/#
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That will get you the motorola update software.
During the update the .sbf is downloaded. We need to get the sbf, however it is deleted once the update has finished. I think this happens when the motorola software asks to "reboot phone, connect usb and verify update".
Please, if anyone does the update make sure to find the .sbf file and copy it somewhere safe before the update is verified. Then post to xda of course
Olly
binodnepal said:
I am on cm7 not sure if the phone will be detected by the msu. Will try once getting back home.
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I'm not sure either, I reverted to 2.51 and did the update form that point.
Anyone installed CM over 3.4.2_177-3?
Olly
kashavsehra said:
I notice on my handset (UK T-Mobile eclair) that the capacitive buttons sometimes dont light up when holding the phone landscape. I think there is a light sensor somewhere which detects the ambient light and adjusts the capacitive button lighting.
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Thanks for that. I can actually reconfirm the issue. Last night when I was setting my alarm, with no lights in the room, I noticed once again the capacitive buttons' led were off. I was helding the phone in portrait and I know for sure this problem wasn't there in 2.1 because I always set my alarm after I turn the lights off (Bedroom's). When I press the Home Key to come out of the Alarm app the capacitive buttons lit up again.
binodnepal said:
I am on cm7 not sure if the phone will be detected by the msu. Will try once getting back home.
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If the msu is compiled by Motorola then I'm sure you won't be able to upgrade. The .msu can contain many other smaller installers that can do all the checking, exactly the way the update program does. Your only solutuion is to revert back to Motorola's stock ROM and give it a try.
Two more very annoying Defy/Froyo issues:
1) You can't disable the lockscreen anymore, so prepare for a lot of annoying swiping. Yes, you can get rid of the slider with an app called "No Lock," but this will also disable your security lock (pin code or pattern) which leaves your phone wide open.
2) The new gallery has more eye candy but less functionality, and it got slower too. If you open the folder list you can't read long folder names anymore. Is there is a way to run the old 2.1 gallery on Froyo?
I found the gallery the worst bit. So poor, I can't believe they let it go out like that. Runs like a dog.
I feel embarrassed for Motorola. Or I would if they were not working hard every day making their great hardware under-perform!
Seriously what a phone once CM is on it!
Olly
Use quickpic off the market, best gallery around
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rogier666 said:
Two more very annoying Defy/Froyo issues:
1) You can't disable the lockscreen anymore, so prepare for a lot of annoying swiping. Yes, you can get rid of the slider with an app called "No Lock," but this will also disable your security lock (pin code or pattern) which leaves your phone wide open.
2) The new gallery has more eye candy but less functionality, and it got slower too. If you open the folder list you can't read long folder names anymore. Is there is a way to run the old 2.1 gallery on Froyo?
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As far as I'm concerned Motorola has degraded the phone and I'm not too sure if that is legal or not. I'm referring to the apps Motorola developed such as the video player and the gallery that you pointed out, not the Android itself. The additional Task Manager that was shipped with 2.1 in US is a welcome.
I have found my defy is performing slower, unless those claim Defy performs better with Android 2.2 has some settings that I don't. I ended up installing SetVSel to speed thigns up. It seems to me I'm getting 1/4 less juice out of my battery. I can reconfirm it once I play music on it for a couple of hours.
Not wanting to sound negative all the time, here are some positive things I found so far. I'm very happy with this update because now I got all my emails working on my handset which was important to me which missed the feature for the past 6 months. The browser appears to work very smoothly in most cases. I haven't used the Tasks app yet but that is another welcome addition as I always have a need for such features on portable devices. Other positive things about Android is to thank google not Motorola anyway. The slightly improved dialer worth just mentioning about it.
If Motorola refuses to give us Gingerbread then I hope they provide an update to fix some minor issues that either annoying or impacting the user experience soon enough.
I gotta say I'm pretty surprised about all the issues people are facing with the Froyo update everywhere. I had the french update installed which was one of the first available in Europe before moving on to the leaked 2.3.3 and it was smoother than ever. No bug at all except for the space touch getting a bit crazy while typing a text a few times. I didn't have many applications installed. A few people mentioned the update's fine as long as you don't have much installed on the phone but it starts getting extremely laggy when you keep installing more and more applications. After a factory reset there shouldn't be any lags though !
MrBelter said:
Use quickpic off the market, best gallery around
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QuickPic would be the best gallery app if it would let us change the grid size (the thumbnail previews are too big now) and if it had "all photos" and "all videos" views. Unfortunately QuickPic only does folders.
lotfib said:
I gotta say I'm pretty surprised about all the issues people are facing with the Froyo update everywhere. I had the french update installed which was one of the first available in Europe before moving on to the leaked 2.3.3 and it was smoother than ever. No bug at all except for the space touch getting a bit crazy while typing a text a few times. I didn't have many applications installed. A few people mentioned the update's fine as long as you don't have much installed on the phone but it starts getting extremely laggy when you keep installing more and more applications. After a factory reset there shouldn't be any lags though !
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Thank you for your post. In my experience there was a noticeable performance difference between 2.1 and 2.2.2 before a single application was installed. One theory to why some people are happy with the performance and others are not could be down to different components used in Defy. No one knows for sure if all Defy around the globe use exactly the same components or not. As you pointed out installing apps appears to effect the performance so we can conclude those that are not experiencing performance decrease are not power users.
rogier666 said:
QuickPic would be the best gallery app if it would let us change the grid size (the thumbnail previews are too big now) and if it had "all photos" and "all videos" views. Unfortunately QuickPic only does folders.
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I am confused, all my photos and videos are in folders anyway and all the previews load like lightning so i fail to to see the problem, it is better than any default gallery whichever way you look at it.
Anyway only issue i can find with the retail 2.2 is how low highest screen brightness setting seems to be, the display is really hard to read outside now.
If you have a hundred pictures scattered over ten folders, would you want to tap into those folders one by one to browse all your photos?
Just like there's a unified inbox for mails from many accounts so you don't have to jump from one mailbox to the next, the stock gallery has a unified pictures view (all pictures in one grid) for all your folders.
If you want to swipe through lots of pictures from a bunch of different folders, having them all in one grid beats having to open all the different folders one by one.
If QuickPic would have the same unified picture view and custom picture grid sizes I would throw the stock gallery out. While QuickPic is working on it (are they?) I'll keep both apps.
The problem with the capacitive buttons that not lighting up is worse than I thought. It happens all the time, it doesn't light up and the only way to make it to work, when it gets really bad, by locking the phone (power switch) and unlocking it again.
The battery life noticeably shortened after the update. What I have done today was to completely discharge the battery to the point it doesn't turn on. Recharged it fully again without turning it on and from the wall socket. I'll report back if there was any improvements on Monday.
I also uninstalled VSel and set it to default CPU speed again. Despite of freezing so many apps and services the start up is really slow and I really feel the lag with the phone.
Another Defy/Froyo bug:
Dial *#*#4636#*#* to get into a service menu. From there battery_history/network_usage would tell you network traffic per app since last boot/unplugged/all time.
In Eclair all data was counted. In Froyo it usually doesn't count anything.
Ghost volume button issue on most devices
No micro sd card support
Confusing user interface
No Facebook contacts sync
No native social network widget
Can't add more home screens
Fuzzy speaker
Lock screen vibration can't be switched off
No digital clock only analog widget
Quadrant benchmark only 1500 score
Lag in many areas
No Facebook events calendar sync
Only 5m camera
THE VOLUME BUG HAS REALLY PUT ME OFF AND SAMSUNG ARE STILL TO ACKNOWLEDGE
Ghost volume button issue on most devices - Valid Concern
No micro sd card support - Shouldn't be a surprise
Confusing user interface - Seriously?
No Facebook contacts sync - Facebook's fault, not Google's
No native social network widget - Again, look at the social networks for blame
Can't add more home screens - Never been more than 5 in stock android
Fuzzy speaker - valid concern
Lock screen vibration can't be switched off - Don't have one, so can't comment
No digital clock only analog widget - Never been one in stock android
Quadrant benchmark only 1500 score - Don't have one, so can't comment
Lag in many areas - Don't have one, so can't comment
No Facebook events calendar sync - Never been in stock android OR from facebook's app
Only 5m camera - Shouldn't be a surprise
Most of this is your own fault for not knowing in advance, or isn't a valid point.
"Massive"??...thats a strong term to use. Most of your points are either things we already knew or there are other ways to circumvent, so therfore a non-issue. I think you just wanted to make a thread just to be making a thread.
+1 to the other comments.... it is in the best interest to your homework before you purchase, not the day after
The ghost volume and fuzzy speaker are the only real concerns......... and Really. . . . . How many here are going to keep this stock ??? hmmmm???
My guess the sound and volume will be eliminated when either Voodoo is adapted to this phone or some other equal
And, as far as all those other issues custom roms solve all of them
As for me, I always try to get something that has great hardware the software doesn't matter, we here in XDA will customize, make, kang or just create what we need.
Seems to me that this threads are becoming typical every time a new device hits the market more so in this case with all the hype of the Nexus. Buyers remorse, lack of due diligence? Or something else…
Other than the low volume problem, this post only proves how ignorant you are.
Previous post sums it up.
UI is fine - blame the user not the tech!
I don't have the volume issue but that would be the only concern I would point the finger at.
Making a deal about vibrate on a lock screen - what next??
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium
knut150 said:
Seems to me that this threads are becoming typical every time a new device hits the market more so in this case with all the hype of the Nexus. Buyers remorse, lack of due diligence? Or something else…
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Saying that there has been a "lack of due diligence" implies that people have just gone out and bought the phone with no knowledge of it whatsoever. This isn't true. I read every single hands on, preview, and article I could find on the Nexus before I bought it, and not a single one mentioned any of the problems or small annoyances we have been having. So, tell me - how has showing "due diligence" made any difference to me?
Buyers remorse? Sure, that could factor into it - but only because of the problems.
These threads are becoming more typical because the devices are getting more expensive, and we are becoming to rely on them more for our day to day life. If problems are happening, they become more of an issue to us
viniturb0 said:
Lock screen vibration can't be switched off
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This can be turned off in Settings -> Security -> Vibrate on Touch
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This can be turned off in Settings -> Security -> Vibrate on Touch
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Not sure that setting is in Security - think its in display - and deselecting it in display has no effect on lockscreen
Then again - maybe I'm remembering incorrectly.
kindiboy said:
Other than the low volume problem, this post only proves how ignorant you are.
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This post only proves that for some people being polite is only an optional feature.
And also that is a lot easier to insult someone behind a monitor rather than face to face in real life.
Oh and Quadrant is one of the worst benchmarks available. Try some others like linpack / antutu / cf-bench. Eventho those are probably not optimized for ICS, they at least use multithreading etc.
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I actually agree on the interface/UI. Menu key appears on some apps at the bottom some at the top some dont have it at all. Also there's no menu key on the main android screen which Paul O'Brien has modded to show that its there in the code to be used. Not sure what Google were thinking there? Same old Google for me, rushing out updates. ICS needs some polishing in my opinion. Battery life sucks still on the OS too which I would have thought they would have addressed this time around. That volume bug is a pain too, BIG ONE!
This is my opinion mind, hope Google sort these things out.
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I actually agree on the interface/UI. Menu key appears on some apps at the bottom some at the top some dont have it at all. Also there's no menu key on the main android screen which Paul O'Brien has modded to show that its there in the code to be used. Not sure what Google were thinking there? Same old Google for me, rushing out updates. ICS needs some polishing in my opinion. Battery life sucks still on the OS too which I would have thought they would have addressed this time around. That volume bug is a pain too, BIG ONE!
This is my opinion mind, hope Google sort these things out.
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If you're talking about what i think you're talking about then that is actually intended to be like that.
Apps that use the keyboard (Such as messaging, gmail, maps, etc.) all have an action bar where, amongst other things, the menu is that the bottom. When you start using the keyboard, the action bar is removed, and the menu button is then moved to the upper right side of the corner.
Of course, any other app developer can put this wherever they like, and for the apps not currently compatible with this type of menu they have the "compatibility" menu in the software buttons.
As for, what i assume you mean the launcher, it's possible that there is still code for it in ICS to be compatible with older phones that may be upgrading to ICS but will have the 4 capacitive buttons instead, including the menu button.
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Oh and Quadrant is one of the worst benchmarks available. Try some others like linpack / antutu / cf-bench. Eventho those are probably not optimized for ICS, they at least use multithreading etc.
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You mean my 4500 score in Quadrant using my tweaked kernel is meaningless???!?!? I don't think I can live any more...
viniturb0 said:
Ghost volume button issue on most devices
No micro sd card support
Confusing user interface
No Facebook contacts sync
No native social network widget
Can't add more home screens
Fuzzy speaker
Lock screen vibration can't be switched off
No digital clock only analog widget
Quadrant benchmark only 1500 score
Lag in many areas
No Facebook events calendar sync
Only 5m camera
THE VOLUME BUG HAS REALLY PUT ME OFF AND SAMSUNG ARE STILL TO ACKNOWLEDGE
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if that is your case, i don't see a point you complaining, might as well go get another make handset.
fdm1 said:
Can't add more home screens - Never been more than 5 in stock android
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I'm looking at my Motorola Milestone, which I believe is stock Android, with an option for seven and nine homescreens. But I don't use more than five anyway.
GiveMe2Beers said:
This post only proves that for some people being polite is only an optional feature.
And also that is a lot easier to insult someone behind a monitor rather than face to face in real life.
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Am stating a fact, ignorance is not an insult. dumbass is.
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I'm looking at my Motorola Milestone, which I believe is stock Android, with an option for seven and nine homescreens. But I don't use more than five anyway.
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if that's the case, it isn't stock.
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I'm looking at my Motorola Milestone, which I believe is stock Android, with an option for seven and nine homescreens. But I don't use more than five anyway.
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No, the Milestone is not fully stock Android but it's close. The launcher is slightly different as you've seen.
Obvious troll is obvious. Let the thread die, the OP doesn't care about your replies anyways - hence the lack of any sort of reply.
New things and improvements in Sense 4.0:
- Landscape mode now also in home screen (with optimized buttons etc)
- No on-screen buttons (as on Nexus) but will adopt the 3 buttons (prev. 4)
- 3D Task manager
- Better lockscreen, with better integrated notifications, to-do-lists, notes, contacts etc.
- Updated Email client with threaded messages and improved layout (over all better email)
Smart Sync technology which syncs your email based on your usage habits
- Better Browser, with Read later and Watch later functions. Introducing a new Reader feature.
Reader:feature in browser strips away ads and other useless web clutter
Read/Watch Later: feature in browser saves content in a widget which can be accessed at a later time (even offline)
- Guest mode, lets your friends only test some basic stuff (no phone, data, and special apps)
- Better Camera - when it detects a face, it takes 5 pics and chooses the best one. (I guess a new version of Amaze cam?)
ImageSense: auto focus is 0.2sec, shutter time of 0.7sec
Dual Shutter Camera (video record and take photo at the same time!)
- DropBox integrated (25 GB for 2 years for free!)
- Beats Audio will be universal, meaning allowed in any 3rd part apps (Spotify, YouTube, Pandora, VPlayer, etc.)
- SoundHound seems to be integrated in the music app! (see pic attached in 1st post)
- SkyDrive integration (Microsofts cloud storage 25 GB free)
- Scrollable wallpapers are back. Changing wallpaper.
- Carousel and 3D effects are gone (to speed things up)
- New sounds (notifications etc)
Overall, loosing some of the bloated feel, and now being more grown up with improved speed etc.
reserved for later
HIT THANKS! its free
Thanks for infos, wasn't aware of the guest mode, that is really useful when a friend wants to test your phone
For the task manager I'm not convinced, it launches a too heavy UI for it. The default one of Android 4.0 was good enough. could be bad when you have to close many programs while having a slowdown cause the manager itself is heavy...
Oo, thanks for the update! Didn't realize Sense would actually be good this go around. Looks like it has some neat features.
Thanks for this, I have previously been a hater of Sense but Sense 4.0 is a whole new ball game
I hope text reflow is optional as I don't always like how it interferes with a webpage
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joplayer said:
Thanks for infos, wasn't aware of the guest mode, that is really useful when a friend wants to test your phone
For the task manager I'm not convinced, it launches a too heavy UI for it. The default one of Android 4.0 was good enough. could be bad when you have to close many programs while having a slowdown cause the manager itself is heavy...
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Odd if tegra struggles with basic 3d effects even with some massive load.
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joplayer said:
Thanks for infos, wasn't aware of the guest mode, that is really useful when a friend wants to test your phone
For the task manager I'm not convinced, it launches a too heavy UI for it. The default one of Android 4.0 was good enough. could be bad when you have to close many programs while having a slowdown cause the manager itself is heavy...
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The Qualcomm s4 is one of the absolute best chips made! dont think it will be a problem. neither with the quad-core
the program itself aint that big, even thought its "3d-effects" its just images put on the side, nothing dramastic really. so it shouldent be a problem.
jameslfc5 said:
Thanks for this, I have previously been a hater of Sense but Sense 4.0 is a whole new ball game
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im like you... didnt quite like it... thought it was a huge stepback to like android 2.1 or something but after trying it out myself... i like it! could be better, but hey - i always find something that i want to change
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Smart Sync technology which syncs your email based on your usage habits
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This is interesting. What does it mean?
Does it stop background sync at 3am if it knows you are never awake at that time?
catachresistant said:
This is interesting. What does it mean?
Does it stop background sync at 3am if it knows you are never awake at that time?
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That does sound genius tbf, HTC have smartened up
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Guest mode sounds like a brilliant idea. Hopefully, you'll get to choose which apps can and cant be viewed when in guest mode. It'll be interesting to see how its implemented, making it a setting you can quickly access from the lock screen would be great too.
Any idea on whether sense 4.0 also includes face unlock?
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Guest mode sounds like a brilliant idea. Hopefully, you'll get to choose which apps can and cant be viewed when in guest mode. It'll be interesting to see how its implemented, making it a setting you can quickly access from the lock screen would be great too.
Any idea on whether sense 4.0 also includes face unlock?
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Sure I've read it includes face unlock
... Does Sense 4.0 still include fast boot/quick boot?
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I don't care about sense 4 all i want is a bugless cm9 for the one x
i want htc one x NOW!!!
cool info about guest mode btw..
I love the htc's sense so I don't use CM or MIUI. Only virtuous with optimized oryginal rom.
Will the buttons reorient when in landscape mode?
WarheadNOR said:
Will the buttons reorient when in landscape mode?
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From what i've seen they don't
Will you be able to disable Sense?
I don't want it and I guess it will take some time till we get CM9 on it
TheAshaman said:
Will you be able to disable Sense?
I don't want it and I guess it will take some time till we get CM9 on it
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Sure you can. Just install another launcher. (eg. APEX, GOlauncher, Launcherpro) It won't disable the entire sense interface (menu's lockscreen etc.) but you'll be able to live with it till CM9
TheAshaman said:
Will you be able to disable Sense?
I don't want it and I guess it will take some time till we get CM9 on it
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1550602
This is a HTC ROM stripped from Sense. I have something similar on my Sensation. You can still have the HTC Camera App and other things you like from Sense. The rest will be stock ICS.
The hardware and design of this phone are top notch - most features work really well except anything in regards to multi-tasking. I am very disappointed that its missing basic functionality I thought should be pretty standard these days especially on a flagship device. Case in point - Usa today app, its always been really nice while traveling since I can sync it before flying and read all the articles while in-flight on my iPhone during airplane mode, with the One X any open browser page or related app becomes a useless blank page when airplane mode is switched on. Heck even the picture I had open in the gallery section closed and took me back to the main gallery (picture) folder and of course this does not need an internet connection.
It looks like Sense 4.0 has eliminated multi-tasking, as much as I like the device otherwise I just cant give up so much basic functionality that I have been enjoying for years on other phones... Will probably have to return and go back to my iphone 4 for now.. Bummer -
It does not appear that HTC recognizes this short-coming as a problem and considers this normal functionality so I cant just wait for an update/fix...
Anyone else feel this way ?
Srgsx said:
The hardware and design of this phone are top notch - most features work really well except anything in regards to multi-tasking. I am very disappointed that its missing basic functionality I thought should be pretty standard these days especially on a flagship device. Case in point - Usa today app, its always been really nice while traveling since I can sync it before flying and read all the articles while in-flight on my iPhone during airplane mode, with the One X any open browser page or related app becomes a useless blank page when airplane mode is switched on. Heck even the picture I had open in the gallery section closed and took me back to the main gallery (picture) folder and of course this does not need an internet connection.
It looks like Sense 4.0 has eliminated multi-tasking, as much as I like the device otherwise I just cant give up so much basic functionality that I have been enjoying for years on other phones... Will probably have to return and go back to my iphone 4 for now.. Bummer -
It does not appear that HTC recognizes this short-coming as a problem and considers this normal functionality so I cant just wait for an update/fix...
Anyone else feel this way ?
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multitasking is a bit of a joke on this phone. I hope HTC addresses this in a future update.
sent from my HTC One X
Since Sense + OS alone consume most of the ram (> 80%) on the device, I suppose integrated Android task killer is configured in some paranoid mode and is killing backgroups apps like crazy.
If this bothers you, I would install one of senseless ROMs on your HD2 and be happy Possibly there is also a way to make task killer more civilized in custom Sense ROMs.
Sadly, Sense 4.0 is quit bloated and One-X should have at least 1.5GB of RAM to begin with.
Yup, I agree, multitasking is really bad... All my dolphin browser pages reload if I click the home button and try to go back.
Sent from my HTC One X on Leedroid's ROM v5.1.0.
It will addressed with uopdates after all you bought a quad cote for multi tasking, some of xda chefs are communicating with HTC dev and we reported the very aggressive memfree values, also if you are rooted you can control them with supercharger script
Srgsx said:
Case in point - Usa today app, its always been really nice while traveling since I can sync it before flying and read all the articles while in-flight on my iPhone during airplane mode, with the One X any open browser page or related app becomes a useless blank page when airplane mode is switched on.
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When I change the wireless state on my i9100 the same thing happens so it's Android, not HTC or the One X. Even if the USA Today home page was retained clicking on any of the stories would result in an error because there's no wireless connection available. Get an app like Pocket that allows you to save articles from across the web for offline reading. The CNN app also gives you the option to save stories offline.
The multitasking on this phone sucks period. There is not justification. I should not be here looking for an answer. XDA devs should be enhancing the phone not trying to fix basic functionality. I hope HTC solves this problem before my trail period.
mgfjd said:
The multitasking on this phone sucks period. There is not justification. I should not be here looking for an answer. XDA devs should be enhancing the phone not trying to fix basic functionality. I hope HTC solves this problem before my trail period.
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Do any of you understand how multitasking in Android even works? Even if a task is killed by the OS, apps developed that follow the published standard will re-launch in their last state in less than a second. And the better XDA devs should know that. So while HTC's memory management may be aggressive, there's more to it if individual apps aren't behaving correctly.
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/04/multitasking-android-way.html
Srgsx said:
The hardware and design of this phone are top notch - most features work really well except anything in regards to multi-tasking. I am very disappointed that its missing basic functionality I thought should be pretty standard these days especially on a flagship device. Case in point - Usa today app, its always been really nice while traveling since I can sync it before flying and read all the articles while in-flight on my iPhone during airplane mode, with the One X any open browser page or related app becomes a useless blank page when airplane mode is switched on. Heck even the picture I had open in the gallery section closed and took me back to the main gallery (picture) folder and of course this does not need an internet connection.
It looks like Sense 4.0 has eliminated multi-tasking, as much as I like the device otherwise I just cant give up so much basic functionality that I have been enjoying for years on other phones... Will probably have to return and go back to my iphone 4 for now.. Bummer -
It does not appear that HTC recognizes this short-coming as a problem and considers this normal functionality so I cant just wait for an update/fix...
Anyone else feel this way ?
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If you're not happy w it, return it ASAP. Why do you have to care about what others think? It's your money, your experience.
Case closed. Meetings adjourned lol
louis.b said:
If you're not happy w it, return it ASAP. Why do you have to care about what others think? It's your money, your experience.
Case closed. Meetings adjourned lol
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Its called a forum, in which I can and will reach out to others to get feedback on what I consider a situation with a very flawed segment of Sense which is making me contemplate returning an otherwise very nice device.
Look Apple has been doing this puesdo multi-tasking, app-pausing just fine since 4.0 what the heck is HTC thinking ? Browser tabs store just fine for days WITHOUT an internet connection. I geuss I am just expecting too much.
Sorry to interupt move along nothing to see here - lol
If you really want to pile-on, head over here. The XL'rs are far more up in arms than the X'rs.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1646409
I've asked the same questions of people that say the way multitasking is implemented is a real hardship but no one's answered. What's the harm? Of "X" hours a day using the phone, what percentage of your time is actually spent active in two (or more) apps simultaneously? And with a powerful processor it shouldn't matter whether a background app is in state or has to be restarted based on the way Android works (see below). I'm not trying to pick a fight I'm trying to understand the depth of the issue.
And since no one's read the article I linked to, here's the cruxt...
Once Android determines that it needs to remove a process, it does this brutally, simply force-killing it. The kernel can then immediately reclaim all resources needed by the process, without relying on that application being well written and responsive to a polite request to exit. Allowing the kernel to immediately reclaim application resources makes it a lot easier to avoid serious out of memory situations.
If a user later returns to an application that's been killed, Android needs a way to re-launch it in the same state as it was last seen, to preserve the "all applications are running all of the time" experience. This is done by keeping track of the parts of the application the user is aware of (the Activities), and re-starting them with information about the last state they were seen in. This last state is generated each time the user leaves that part of the application, not when it is killed, so that the kernel can later freely kill it without depending on the application to respond correctly at that point.
And based on this, the SGS3's handling memory managment just like the One X so there don't appear to be a lot of options for those with special multitasking needs.
greyhulk said:
The GS3 has the same multitasking "issue" as the One X. I have tested it. That's all the more reason why I don't expect HTC to fix it in an update. I believe it's how the manufacturers intend it to work, for better or worse.
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Try to install Apex launcher free version and set it as default launcher. Reboot and see is situation get better. If works for you then it is sense problem.
It works like a charm on my X. No any problem for multitask.And it is so smooth.
Of course if you do want sense launcher then have to live with issue. But no harm to try Apex to see at least multitask can wrok or not
BarryH_GEG everything looks nice when you write it down like that but i remember SGS did better multitasking then my new double ram HTC One X, on daily basis it kills everything when i9000 never killed my GG chatting app or music player - both just should be ON all the time i was using them thats only 2 apps to handle
At a co-workers urging I installed Go-launcher today in hopes of a quick fix. yeah nothing, still re-renders everything fricken thing it touches.
Should I stil try Apex ?
Apex so far is best launcher for one X. I used it for 1 month. If it is not work for you I will post another solution which may help.
Apex- ok you might be on to something !
Can still hold app data while in airplane mode...
Srgsx said:
the One X any open browser page or related app becomes a useless blank page when airplane mode is switched on.
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If your rooted then flash Jan's Advance Notification toggle to enable Airplane Mode it will retain the webpage because you're not going into a different app.
Srgsx said:
At a co-workers urging I installed Go-launcher today in hopes of a quick fix. yeah nothing, still re-renders everything fricken thing it touches.
Should I stil try Apex ?
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I dont think this is caused by sense taking up too much resources. Seems to be an ics inherent thing. The sgs3 was just reported to behave the same way.
Oh yes i tried the ipad3 the other day. The display was perfect but what surprises me is it multitasks amazingly well. I can have 5 - 6 apps open including youtube and browser with multiple tabs and it switches between them smoothly without once quiting the browser. Really sad to see android/ ics regressed to this state that ios significantly beat it.
if it is ics problem why I can use mutlitask on my one X?
Raider0001 said:
BarryH_GEG everything looks nice when you write it down like that but i remember SGS did better multitasking then my new double ram HTC One X, on daily basis it kills everything when i9000 never killed my GG chatting app or music player - both just should be ON all the time i was using them thats only 2 apps to handle
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I keep asking the question "what does it mean?" and everyone keeps replying "it shouldn't be this way." If a doctor says "there’s something wrong with your liver," there's a big difference between hepatitis A and stage 3 cancer. Other than the perceived loss of something you had how does the way that the One X handles multitasking affect what you do every day? And how often is it a problem?
I had a i9100 and in practical use I don't notice a difference. The exception being the browser that stupidly reloads itself every time it restarts but it does that regardless of whether launched from recent apps or directly from the app drawer or a shortcut.
And if this is true it doesn't really matter what a Desire, HD2, or SGS did.
greyhulk said:
The GS3 has the same multitasking "issue" as the One X. I have tested it. That's all the more reason why I don't expect HTC to fix it in an update. I believe it's how the manufacturers intend it to work, for better or worse.
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