[Q] Low 3D performance ? - G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I was using Huawei u8800 before Desire Z, and i must say, even tho they have the same hardware (adreno 205), games like temple run were really smoother on u8800.
Also, on Antutu, with same cpu frequencies:
u8800: 900
desire z: 750
same difference on quadrant. anyone knows what makes vision get lower scores and performance? (im not using sense btw)

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[Q] best rom for gaming

what's the best rom giving best performance for gaming? e.g. to reduce lags on asphalt 5 or 6?
e.g.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tURMjJ3q3Y4
Htc hd2 with custom rom is able to play asphalt 6 (though it's lagging) but on native stock desire, it lags like hell... should be able to run it at least like on hd2 as desire has the same hardware
I just installed the free version of 5 and I got no lag at all. My processor is overclocked to 1190MHz but that still shouldn't make much difference.
what rom are u using? have u tried asphalt 6? it requires more resources
I played Asphalt 6 on Oxygen 2.0.1 just fine. But its not butter smooth like on phones with better GPU. I'll say that as for gaming with more advanced games, Desire isn't powerful enough + the lack of multitouch doesnt give much of a gaming experience.
Asphalt 6 doesn't work too well.Desire isn't a gaming phone for a start so it has its limitations. You're looking for a dual core really
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Although I haven't tried Asphalt on my phone, I'm more than happy with the games I run on my desire running GingerVillain but to lower the chances of lag I use SetCPU to overclock to 1113 MHz and change the governor to Performance. This gives me a quadrant score of 1355 which seems to run all the 3d games I want well enough. Probably not exactly what you wanted to hear but I thought it might give you a couple of options to try before binning your desire!
ok thx just bought the htc desire... other games work fine and are pretty good.. will play nfs shift instead which is quite good

Quadrant Score

Why is the Quadrant score on the Defy so low when running default ROMs? I know under CM7 etc. it can fly but under the UK 2.2 ROM clocked at 1GHz my handset only just crack 1400 where as a Huawei Ideos X5 clocked at 800MHz blows it off. I have noticed the spinning planet test though the X5 cracks on at over 40FPS but my deft is struggling to get past 10 FPS.
Is this solely down to Motorola's implementation of Android or is it a hardware limitation?

Why can't our phone run HTC sense 3.5 smoothly?

I just can't figure out why our desire z cannot run sense 3.5 smoothly.
Htc sensation XL: 1.5 Ghz, Adreno 205, 768mb RAM
My Desire Z: overclocked 1.5 Ghz, Adreno 205, 512mb RAM and 256mb swap
I'm thinking GPU issue here, the sensation xl can scroll rosie smoothly without needing ultra smooth patch.
Any way to improve gpu performance?
And even after activating swap, the phone doesn't really uses it to its full potential, it only uses up around 10% of the swap partition.
Any ideas to encourage the phone to maximize the use of the swap partition?
There is a lot more to CPU performance than clock frequency. The CPU on the Sensation XL is dual core, and probably a completely different architecture. I fully expect a 1.5 GHz dual core CPU to run circles around the G2/DZ's CPU, regardless of how much you OC it.
redpoint73 said:
There is a lot more to CPU performance than clock frequency. The CPU on the Sensation XL is dual core, and probably a completely different architecture. I fully expect a 1.5 GHz dual core CPU to run circles around the G2/DZ's CPU, regardless of how much you OC it.
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sensation XL is single core, same as DESIRE HD but higher clock
xT4Z1N4TRx said:
sensation XL is single core, same as DESIRE HD but higher clock
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Still, the G2/DZ is MSM7230, and the XL is MSM8255. Even if single core, its a newer generation and not the same chip. And even so, a overclocked CPU is never going to perform as well as one that is factory clocked to the same GHz.
It is the same generation of processors, the one on the desire z just have a lower clock speed. Even with overclocked 2ghz, I can't get as smooth as sensation xl
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Still, the G2/DZ is MSM7230, and the XL is MSM8255. Even if single core, its a newer generation and not the same chip. And even so, a overclocked CPU is never going to perform as well as one that is factory clocked to the same GHz.
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Actually, if the only difference between two CPUs is the frequency, the overclocked one should out perform the stock one since overclocking boosts data buses as well.
So, in theory, my desire z should be better at running sense 3.5 then htc sensation xl?
sebastianlow said:
So, in theory, my desire z should be better at running sense 3.5 then htc sensation xl?
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No because the Sensation XL has 768MB of RAM....Desire Z has 384MB (Advertised as 512MB but not all is seen by OS)
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enginmanap said:
Actually, if the only difference between two CPUs is the frequency, the overclocked one should out perform the stock one since overclocking boosts data buses as well.
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Wouldn't that be assuming the CPU on the Sensation XL can't be overclocked at all? Seems like a poor comparison. I'd still bank on the 1.5 GHz factory clocked CPU over an 800 MHz one.
Sense 3.5 does run smooth for me. The only bad thing really is loading apps, and that's cuz of ram
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redpoint73 said:
Wouldn't that be assuming the CPU on the Sensation XL can't be overclocked at all? Seems like a poor comparison. I'd still bank on the 1.5 GHz factory clocked CPU over an 800 MHz one.
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I wasn't talking about the sensetion XL vs Desire Z. Their CPUs have architectural differences beyond the stock frequencies. Even if you overclock the desire Z to 1.5 GHZ, there are other factors like double channel for RAM etc.
Sensetion XL has a more powerful core with more advanced features. This is why clocking our phones to 1.5 is not giving the performance of Sensetion XL.
redpoint73 said:
Wouldn't that be assuming the CPU on the Sensation XL can't be overclocked at all? Seems like a poor comparison. I'd still bank on the 1.5 GHz factory clocked CPU over an 800 MHz one.
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What u mean not all is seen by OS? I thought the 384mb is usable ram and the others were system resources?
My older desire has 576mb of ram, but shows 404 usable.
And also, doesn't swap give more ram?
Does vm heapsize help with making Rosie smoother? Mine is 48m for now..
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sebastianlow said:
What u mean not all is seen by OS? I thought the 384mb is usable ram and the others were system resources?
My older desire has 576mb of ram, but shows 404 usable.
And also, doesn't swap give more ram?
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Swap do give more ram,but a slow one..since its not from the hardware ram its just virtual ram..I said it slow because Android only use it when the real ram is running out..correct me if I'm wrong, srry for my English XD hope I do help =)
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Steven How said:
Swap do give more ram,but a slow one..since its not from the hardware ram its just virtual ram..I said it slow because Android only use it when the real ram is running out.correct me if I'm wrong, srry for my English XD hope I do help =)
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I use sense 3.5 on the virtuous afinity rom 1.48.1 and ist verry smoothly!
I use also the romcleaner bevor and moved by titanium some other app from my DZ.
Its for me the best combination without a ext3 part on the SD.
Greetings ivi
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Smooth sense 3.5
I run Chef's RCmix 4.0 Energized blue edition as of today with supercharger script set to option 8. Very smooth, much better than stock. Remove some unnecessary apps, play with the Energy setting and you're good to go. No swap needed (at least for now).
+1 for virtuous affinity. Runs smooth from stock but with a few very simple tweaks it is very slick. Start with installing 4ext and partition/format everything as ext4. Then install the rom and enable the swap partition. With a mild OC of 1Ghz I find everything beautifully smooth without needing to use the 'smooth rosie' features in the settings.
Im now running Mik runny
I have All 7 pages full of widgets
120+ apps
supercharger option 7
supercharger 13
lagnullifier
swap
oc 1.5 ondemand
class 4 sd card
LAGGY
(Virtuous affinity is the most laggy for me)
(I can NEVER get a smooth unlock animation, NEVER)
sebastianlow said:
LAGGY
(Virtuous affinity is the most laggy for me)
(I can NEVER get a smooth unlock animation, NEVER)
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I never liked the unlock animation... Got that disabled since I feel like it's a waste of resource and time... The lock animation is ok for me though....

58fps on Adreno 200

A few weeks ago, I sold my Desire and bought a Desire Z, cuz the Desire Z has better gpu, the adreno 205, which does 58fps on neocore. Recently, I while reading gsmarena's review of the HTC explorer, they benchmarked the explorer's GPU with neocore and it did 58fps, same as my Desire Z, but the difference with the explorer and the Desire Z is the gpu, the htc explorer has adreno 200, the one on the desire. When I had my desire, the neocore score was 35.1fps, gsmarena said htc boosted the performence of the Adreno 200. So I've been wondering, can the devs here boost the GPU performance too?
Explorer has lower resolution so that is the reason why it is faster than Desire.
Then how do u explain the wildfire s? It has adreno 200 and same or lower resolution then explorer, bur does 37fps
the CPU in the desire is better, the CPU can improve the graphics performance
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theyau said:
the CPU in the desire is better, the CPU can improve the graphics performance
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I don't get u
The CPU increases graphics performance
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Would the kernel make much of a difference? Afaik, the Explorer uses a 2.6.38 kernel compared to the 2.6.35 of the Desire/Desire Z
qzfive said:
Would the kernel make much of a difference? Afaik, the Explorer uses a 2.6.38 kernel compared to the 2.6.35 of the Desire/Desire Z
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Maybe u guys could modify the kernels on the desire to get better gpu performance.
sebastian, there are many reasons for which the Explorer scores just as good as your Desire Z. One of them and possibly the most important is the fact that is has a way lower display resolution (as hb5 has already pointed out). The other important fact is that it has a MSM7227 CPU, while the Wildfire S sports a MSM7225A unit, which in comparisson with the 7227 doesn't appear to have any L2 cache or a FPU (math coprocessor). Factor in a few kernel optimizations here and there et voila - 58 FPS.
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HTC One X Under-performing in 3D Graphics and Database IO

Hey guys, I have an international HTC One X running Cyanogenmod 10's 20.01.2012 nightly build (Jellybean 4.1.2) without any overclocking. I just did a benchmark with AnTuTu v3 and got an overall score of 14770. Looking at AnTuTu's website, an average One X seems to be scoring only 10288 so I guess my phone is doing well, although for some reason, on the actual AnTuTu app's ranking page, the One X is scoring an overall of 14022 so it's actually much closer.
But when looking at the scores in detail, it looks like my phone's 3D Graphics is only scoring 3087 compared to an average score of 3907 on other people's results and my Database IO (don't know what that is) is only 125 compared to 550 on other people's One X. Does anyone know why my phone might be under-performing in these areas? Thanks a lot!
PS. According to xda-developers' description of the One X, it's supposed to have an ARM Cortex A9 processor whereas in AnTuTu, my CPU model is listed as a Quad-Core ARMv7 Processor (VFPv3, NEON). Are they the same thing?

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