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Has HTC become Samsung? (SW Updates)

AS the title states, is HTC slowly becoming a Samsung clone, as about software updates?
I even sent a message to them 5 days ago, asking about delivery of official 2.3 and no response yet. WTF?
I bought an HTC phone (actually 3 in a row, Magic-Desire-Desire HD) cause i thought that they were much better than Samsung in support. That is why all of us bought their flagship phone.
Maybe is time to go for Atrix or Optimus 2X when they appear.

The simple answer is no, they wont.
You'll get 2.3 on your DHD eventually, just be patient! Would you rather they rush it and it be full of bugs, or they take their time and it be have less bugs?
If you want fastest updates trade DHD for Nexus S
PS - You think Samsung are bad? LG are worse!

thanks. but if Ns was available in Greece i would. The that has made me mad is that the aren't even answering at all.
CitizenLee said:
The simple answer is no, they wont.
You'll get 2.3 on your DHD eventually, just be patient! Would you rather they rush it and it be full of bugs, or they take their time and it be have less bugs?
If you want fastest updates trade DHD for Nexus S
PS - You think Samsung are bad? LG are worse!
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Google only recently released the source code, do you expect htc to port sence over night?

I don't think they should port sense overnight... but...its like nearly 2months now. What annoys me with HTC is you buy their latest flagship device, only to find you get gazzumped a couple of months later by a different device with a newer software..and makes you think is there any point in buying latest HTC handsets when this happens...or maybe its Googles fault, if they communicated better instead of saying at the end of the summer 'Gingerbread is on its way', and actually said when its arriving and on what etc ppl could make better choices.
Added to this is that by the time they do release an update, the phones a year old, theres newer ones...you get one...then its groundhog day again. No doubt HTC have another DHD coming out soon with a front facing camera bla bla bla anyway, and also i think the reason they take so long is that its not a priority to them, their priority is investing their resources in pushing out yet newer handsets just to snare new victims..
btw for anyone, i asked HTC about an update about 2 weeks ago, they told me they wont be releasing one and to contact my network carrier...network carrier pointed me back to HTC.
anyway , rant over

chrisr27 said:
I don't think they should port sense overnight... but...its like nearly 2months now. What annoys me with HTC is you buy their latest flagship device, only to find you get gazzumped a couple of months later by a different device with a newer software..and makes you think is there any point in buying latest HTC handsets when this happens...or maybe its Googles fault, if they communicated better instead of saying at the end of the summer 'Gingerbread is on its way', and actually said when its arriving and on what etc ppl could make better choices.
Added to this is that by the time they do release an update, the phones a year old, theres newer ones...you get one...then its groundhog day again. No doubt HTC have another DHD coming out soon with a front facing camera bla bla bla anyway, and also i think the reason they take so long is that its not a priority to them, their priority is investing their resources in pushing out yet newer handsets just to snare new victims..
btw for anyone, i asked HTC about an update about 2 weeks ago, they told me they wont be releasing one and to contact my network carrier...network carrier pointed me back to HTC.
anyway , rant over
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That's just how it works though.
You buy something and a few months later it's out of date.
It's the way of the tech world and has been for years.
There's no malice or trickery involved, it's just business.

CitizenLee said:
That's just how it works though.
You buy something and a few months later it's out of date.
It's the way of the tech world and has been for years.
There's no malice or trickery involved, it's just business.
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Maybe my insinuation of malice and trickery is a little unfair..but having said that, I guarantee if Id contacted HTC before buying the DHD in October and asked wld it get Gingerbread update they would have said 'sure, course you will, everyone gets updates'..knowing full well it wld take months and months to get the updates.
And if I'd contacted Google and said I was thinking of buying an android handest when is latest software gona be incorporated, they would have said 'we arent sure' just so I would get the DHD another registered android device for them...even though they know full well the likely release, and handsets that will release with it way in advance...so in a sense it is trickery, but guess thats business for you...neither wants to jeopardise a potential sale for their stats
so the snare is recoiled ready for the next victim

AndroHero said:
Google only recently released the source code, do you expect htc to port sence over night?
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I wonder how hard it can really be... they probably just dont have any friggen (unit/automation) tests. The API from 2.2 to 2.3 has barely changed. Imagine you had to wait for a new Ubuntu release just to get a kernel update...
Given they managed to screw up the 1.72 release and havent even uploaded the source code for that kernel, does not make me very enthusiastic about actually seeing 2.3 out anytime in the next 6-9 months.

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I wonder how hard it can really be... they probably just dont have any friggen (unit/automation) tests. The API from 2.2 to 2.3 has barely changed. Imagine you had to wait for a new Ubuntu release just to get a kernel update...
Given they managed to screw up the 1.72 release and havent even uploaded the source code for that kernel, does not make me very enthusiastic about actually seeing 2.3 out anytime in the next 6-9 months.
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I'm sure if enough people emailed htc and quoted the gpl, htc would have to release the source, after all it states the source should be made availible on request
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chrisr27 said:
What annoys me with HTC is you buy their latest flagship device, only to find you get gazzumped a couple of months later by a different device with a newer software..and makes you think is there any point in buying latest HTC handsets when this happens...or maybe its Googles fault, if they communicated better instead of saying at the end of the summer 'Gingerbread is on its way', and actually said when its arriving and on what etc ppl could make better choices.
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The software updates all work on about a 6 month cycle (give or take). It's made very clear from the outset that new software is in the pipelines, they just don't set a concrete date, they just simply release it when it's ready.
The same can be ready for HTC. They're actually good with a lot of their updates in comparison to a lot of manufacturers. There are a few devices which never even got an update to 1.6.
HTC will release an update when it's ready.
If you don't want to wait, install a CyanogenMod ROM.

I think other manufacturers can only learn from HTC..
for example, OTA with Froyo came to Desire in August 2010, this is some 3 months after Google released it..
DHD is still HTC's flagship and I think we will get 2.3 in some 2-3 months

Bear in mind that apart from the Nexus S no one is running an official Gingerbread build yet, so it's not as if HTC are behind the curve here so please get some perspective

Guys, it has been mentioned already but I just want to add that I have also read a report saying that 2.3 will be available in 6 months aprox. after initial release. Best strategy IMO, don't bother checking or thinking about it as it won't help and it will become obsession.

AndroHero said:
I'm sure if enough people emailed htc and quoted the gpl, htc would have to release the source, after all it states the source should be made availible on request
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To have to request the source, violates the GPL. The fact that it is not immediately available upon release also violates the GPL.

so HTC just answered to ma my email:
Thank you for contacting us
We re excited about our upcoming updates, as for the Android 2.3 update, certrainly some of our phones will be receiving this upgrade, however, for the time being, there’s no information regarding which phones will be receiving it nor the schedule of its release.
Please note that you can contact us via support line. For further details, please go to http://www.htc.com/europe/CA_Hotline.aspx, you'll find a toll free number that you can dial only from a landline.
To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our ContactUs site using your email address and your ticket number
Sincerely,
Amr
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Gingerbread only runs on Nexus S at the moment... You won't expect it to be here, one DHD that soon. At least wait for SGS to have it first.

Gingerbread?

Aren't we like behind the times with froyo?
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Really?! I never would've thought it.
I guess you'd better get started developing it.
Texted while driving

I was just asking, I'm no developer, but I have seen other devices with it, I apologize if I offended you or interupted your texting
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You obviously missed my point. Your question was akin to telling people standing in the rain that it's raining. We all know our phone is running an outdated OS, that's why the current CM7 port is under way.

and don't worry, there won't be a release after gingerbread in a while because google is making sure that some fragmentation is going to be removed, which will allow manufacturers to catch up to the google release cycle

I'm not so sure.. And while I was interested in getting 2.2, i've been running that since December. While 2.3 is the latest, I don't believe it offers much of an improvement over 2.2, so other than just saying I'm running 2.3, I don't know what the big deal is, maybe someone can enlighten me and make me anxious for 2.3?
With that said, my guess is most people will be happy with 2.3 for all of about a week. Then they will be wanting something else for their pathetic lives.

socos25 said:
I'm not so sure.. And while I was interested in getting 2.2, i've been running that since December. While 2.3 is the latest, I don't believe it offers much of an improvement over 2.2, so other than just saying I'm running 2.3, I don't know what the big deal is, maybe someone can enlighten me and make me anxious for 2.3?
With that said, my guess is most people will be happy with 2.3 for all of about a week. Then they will be wanting something else for their pathetic lives.
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GPU acceleration in certain parts of the OS, improved JIT, better battery, need I say more?
And there wouldn't be anything to ask for if Samsung had anything other than piss poor software.

I thought only the Nexus phones had Gingerbread so far.
If I'm correct, then we're not really behind - the developer phones are just ahead as I'd expect them to be.
If I'm wrong, then I'm an idiot as I expect me to be.

dchawk81 said:
I thought only the Nexus phones had Gingerbread so far.
If I'm correct, then we're not really behind - the developer phones are just ahead as I'd expect them to be.
If I'm wrong, then I'm an idiot as I expect me to be.
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All of Sony's new Xperia phones have Gbread, though they're only released in Europe, not to mention the Gbread roms leaked for thr Droid 2/X, but so far only the NEXUS's have official Gbread in the U.S.

Oh okay thanks for that. I had no idea what the Xperias were running.
I still don't think we're actually behind. Every mid level and up phone having Gingerbread while we don't...THAT'S behind.
Of course we're not bleeding edge, but we never were.

dchawk81 said:
Oh okay thanks for that. I had no idea what the Xperias were running.
I still don't think we're actually behind. Every mid level and up phone having Gingerbread while we don't...THAT'S behind.
Of course we're not bleeding edge, but we never were.
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Just the fact that we are even uncertain about Gbread in the future is a problem. Even LG (a no name as far as Android is concerned) has promised a Gbread update for its Optimus 1 (a phone selling for between FREE an $50 on contract)

Gingerbread really
And from samsung too
Be serious
Did you know it took nearly twice the amount of time for samsung to release official gingerbread on our phones than it took google to make it
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gtuansdiamm said:
Gingerbread really
And from samsung too
Be serious
Did you know it took nearly twice the amount of time for samsung to release official Froyo on our phones than it took google to make it
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My OCD wouldn't let me go without fixing it.

In all fairness, we are not the only smartphone left out in the rain.
From a markting perspective, it sells new phones. This isn't iOS with one device to focus on selling.
If all android phones had the same OS and received updates at the same time, then you would see ads selling us hardware. Most ads point out the operating system as a selling point and this is because there's too much compitition between android devices as well as those of the same manufacturer (think samsung).
It's not fair but then again how are you to convince manufacturers to stop? Google is trying by their recent policy changes, but I don't think we will see a solid standard in android OS for another few years.
The complication is furthered by production of low cost, entry level android devices that don't play well or contain the hardware to push something like GB. You need this demographic since pay as you go appears to be a growing trend.
I am hopeful for a GB release but I know that if we want something bad enough, XDA will likely to figure it out.
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Hummm..
I have builds of GB for both my Epic and EVO.
Not sure where all the fuss over no GB comes from, must be iPhone fans who get Android phones instead, wanting to remain stock for some reason

is there android 4.0 beta for R800x?

is there a beta of android 4.0 for R800x i here the beta for 4.0 is out in beta now but is there one for the R800x?

No. That's why people are still skeptical that Verizon is even working on it

jacklebott said:
No. That's why people are still skeptical that Verizon is even working on it
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dos any one on here no if Verizon is working on it????????

Snow755 said:
dos any one on here no if Verizon is working on it????????
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Again, no... like I just said people don't know about Verizon's progress

Snow755 said:
dos any one on here no if Verizon is working on it????????
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How about you wait until the official release for the R800i/a/at is released, then ask Verizon

i can only hope and pray that verizon has it working...i'm not holding my breath though, figure it will be sometime in may before we hear anything from big red

If I am not mistaken, Verizon has pretty much told us to go get bent. They will not be doing any more updates for the r800x.

XperianceIT said:
If I am not mistaken, Verizon has pretty much told us to go get bent. They will not be doing any more updates for the r800x.
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I was at the Verizon store last night and they had 4 xperia plays on display. Had not been in there in months and was surprised to see they still had it........ not saying that due to this they will make the update. But just saying surprised they still offer it as they obviously couldn't give a sh!t about this device (or any of their devices in general)
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jgregoryj1 said:
I was at the Verizon store last night and they had 4 xperia plays on display. Had not been in there in months and was surprised to see they still had it........ not saying that due to this they will make the update. But just saying surprised they still offer it as they obviously couldn't give a sh!t about this device (or any of their devices in general)
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Since when has VZW given a **** about _ANY_ of their phones after a period of 2 months of launch? Seriously 95% of the time their advice is Full Reset, Exchange the handset for a same-model refurb, or buy a new shiny handset. They aren't their to support any of these devices, they are there to make money shoveling as many devices in as many brackets as possible. This is why they have these periods of exclusivity for launches. Which is why the Galaxy Nexus got delayed for about 1-2 months on VZW versus _ALL OTHER LAUNCH NETWORKS WORLDWIDE_.
I don't expect VZW to ever put out an update to r800x. We are stuck on 2.3.3, which breaks the compatability for any purchased PS games bought on the market. On top of that, they don't support purchases that are made through their crappy software store (VZWapps) and often charge premium prices for apps that are free on Market. They hijacked the normal Xperia Launcher to only work with VZWapps, and blocked out the functionality of numerous other things (unless you root and modify numerous things).
VZW doesn't care anything but about making money off of you. If any of them are telling you otherwise, it is just PR speak that they are told to say.
(Yes I'm a cynical, bitter person, but I still like VZW better than AT&T)

ryocoon said:
Since when has VZW given a **** about _ANY_ of their phones after a period of 2 months of launch? Seriously 95% of the time their advice is Full Reset, Exchange the handset for a same-model refurb, or buy a new shiny handset. They aren't their to support any of these devices, they are there to make money shoveling as many devices in as many brackets as possible. This is why they have these periods of exclusivity for launches. Which is why the Galaxy Nexus got delayed for about 1-2 months on VZW versus _ALL OTHER LAUNCH NETWORKS WORLDWIDE_.
I don't expect VZW to ever put out an update to r800x. We are stuck on 2.3.3, which breaks the compatability for any purchased PS games bought on the market. On top of that, they don't support purchases that are made through their crappy software store (VZWapps) and often charge premium prices for apps that are free on Market. They hijacked the normal Xperia Launcher to only work with VZWapps, and blocked out the functionality of numerous other things (unless you root and modify numerous things).
VZW doesn't care anything but about making money off of you. If any of them are telling you otherwise, it is just PR speak that they are told to say.
(Yes I'm a cynical, bitter person, but I still like VZW better than AT&T)
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I was implying, maybe didnt word it very well, but I was implying they do not give a monkeys butt about their phones unless its shiny and new. I agree with you. I have been with VZ for a year and I am not happy with them. In another year I will jump ship. Also, I rooted my phone and deleted all the Vcast apps, rebooted and now the android market shows up in the games laumcher instead of the Vcast.... hate vcast

ryocoon said:
Since when has VZW given a **** about _ANY_ of their phones after a period of 2 months of launch? Seriously 95% of the time their advice is Full Reset, Exchange the handset for a same-model refurb, or buy a new shiny handset. They aren't their to support any of these devices, they are there to make money shoveling as many devices in as many brackets as possible. This is why they have these periods of exclusivity for launches. Which is why the Galaxy Nexus got delayed for about 1-2 months on VZW versus _ALL OTHER LAUNCH NETWORKS WORLDWIDE_.
I don't expect VZW to ever put out an update to r800x. We are stuck on 2.3.3, which breaks the compatability for any purchased PS games bought on the market. On top of that, they don't support purchases that are made through their crappy software store (VZWapps) and often charge premium prices for apps that are free on Market. They hijacked the normal Xperia Launcher to only work with VZWapps, and blocked out the functionality of numerous other things (unless you root and modify numerous things).
VZW doesn't care anything but about making money off of you. If any of them are telling you otherwise, it is just PR speak that they are told to say.
(Yes I'm a cynical, bitter person, but I still like VZW better than AT&T)
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Ah, my friend, there is nothing bitter about the truth.

No, but I heard that SE is working on a separate release of 4.0 just for R8800x. Will Verizon roll it out? Hell no.

DubleJayJ said:
No, but I heard that SE is working on a separate release of 4.0 just for R8800x. Will Verizon roll it out? Hell no.
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Couldn't they just finish that up and release a compatible *.ftf file for those interested? Instead of just tossing out all that work?

You all do realize that it is still only February, right? Android 4.0 release date was slated for a "POSSIBLE" release sometime in March or April. How about waiting until the end of April and seeing how that goes for the other models of the Play before you start complaining. In fact, in view of Verizon's slowness to adopt new updates, I wouldn't lose hope until the end of 2012.

If you have the luxury of an unlocked bootloader, I suggest using CM7.2 from FreeXperia. They are currently working on porting 4.0 to the R800 family, and it's going well from what I've heard.

Selim873 said:
Couldn't they just finish that up and release a compatible *.ftf file for those interested? Instead of just tossing out all that work?
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We are talking about Verizon here. They don't approve anything until it's perfect. Don't see why they couldn't release a beta, and then do updates.

Verizon... and perfect releases? Dude, what have you been smokin'? I've had 4 Androids, a Blackberry and I can't even remember how many "feature phones"... and none of them could EVER qualify as perfect, no matter how many updates they released. The Play has been the closest, and it's not perfect by any means.
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netizenmt said:
Verizon... and perfect releases? Dude, what have you been smokin'? I've had 4 Androids, a Blackberry and I can't even remember how many "feature phones"... and none of them could EVER qualify as perfect, no matter how many updates they released. The Play has been the closest, and it's not perfect by any means.
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I think he means perfect by "VZW stardards" (bloated and neutered to virtually unusable proportions).
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I've been with Verizon since 2007 & they haven't supported any phone beyond release. They've pissed me off thoroughly with the lack of releases for the Samsung Fascinate (gone due to piss poor performance) & the R800x. I hate this whole dodgy BS that seems to keep perpetuating beyond the normal. Next phone I get will probably be a flagship phone, since I know that it will get huge support from the dev community. This is completely insane & I'm getting pissed off with the general lack of community support (with a few exceptions but not many like the GSM models) for the R800x since VZW has abandoned us as well.

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I've been with Verizon since 2007 & they haven't supported any phone beyond release. They've pissed me off thoroughly with the lack of releases for the Samsung Fascinate (gone due to piss poor performance) & the R800x. I hate this whole dodgy BS that seems to keep perpetuating beyond the normal. Next phone I get will probably be a flagship phone, since I know that it will get huge support from the dev community. This is completely insane & I'm getting pissed off with the general lack of community support (with a few exceptions but not many like the GSM models) for the R800x since VZW has abandoned us as well.
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Remember that the biggest reason that this phone didn't sell well was the lack of support in the first place. That means that there are fewer of our phones in use than a lot of others, and we have few dev's because of that.

Wishing Google and Verizon were a bit more communicative about updates

I like Android more than iphone but at least with iPhone you usually know some of the fixes that are in the works.
I don't know if a radio fix is coming with the next OTA update
I don't knonw when (if) I'll see an update for the Verizon Galaxy Nexus - I'm pretty sure I will but who is to say 100% other than Verizon or Android - tons of rumors like the 4.04 update and the 4.05 update etc but nothing concrete.
I suppose I'm kind of *****in but I'm also pretty sure they could make ALL of their clients happier if they released SOME info. E.g. a radio fix is in the works... or we'll have 4.04 for Verizon customers within 2 months - anything is better than nothing even if they don't' go into tremendous specfics.
Just my opinion of course.

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I like Android more than iphone but at least with iPhone you usually know some of the fixes that are in the works.
I don't know if a radio fix is coming with the next OTA update
I don't knonw when (if) I'll see an update for the Verizon Galaxy Nexus - I'm pretty sure I will but who is to say 100% other than Verizon or Android - tons of rumors like the 4.04 update and the 4.05 update etc but nothing concrete.
I suppose I'm kind of *****in but I'm also pretty sure they could make ALL of their clients happier if they released SOME info. E.g. a radio fix is in the works... or we'll have 4.04 for Verizon customers within 2 months - anything is better than nothing even if they don't' go into tremendous specfics.
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We can always wish, but it has never been that way for any other device, so why would it change now?

Ive often wondered why they cant give us generic montly statements or something. Put an intern on it or something. 5 min of time once a month from an intern would be so easy.

boe said:
I like Android more than iphone but at least with iPhone you usually know some of the fixes that are in the works.
I don't know if a radio fix is coming with the next OTA update
I don't knonw when (if) I'll see an update for the Verizon Galaxy Nexus - I'm pretty sure I will but who is to say 100% other than Verizon or Android - tons of rumors like the 4.04 update and the 4.05 update etc but nothing concrete.
I suppose I'm kind of *****in but I'm also pretty sure they could make ALL of their clients happier if they released SOME info. E.g. a radio fix is in the works... or we'll have 4.04 for Verizon customers within 2 months - anything is better than nothing even if they don't' go into tremendous specfics.
Just my opinion of course.
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I feel the same way.

RogerPodacter said:
Ive often wondered why they cant give us generic montly statements or something. Put an intern on it or something. 5 min of time once a month from an intern would be so easy.
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That would be fantastic. Even if it said this month - update coming in June - that would be better than me hoping I might find a rumor that might seem credible. Then I'd know where to get genuine news relating to my device on MY carrier.

I am a looong time nexus user and I dont wish this anymore because I know it wont happend. Google works this way.
The only more or less "sure" thing is that when they say that it will be released in a couple of week is because it is already deployed in most employees devices for a long test and it will in fact be released in 2-3 weeks.

Google works this way because they don't have a ETA for when things are complete.
That's like saying telling CyanogenMod that you want more communication between them and the users so that they can post a timeline on when RC1/RC2 will be complete etc.
Things are just done when they're done.

RogerPodacter said:
Ive often wondered why they cant give us generic montly statements or something. Put an intern on it or something. 5 min of time once a month from an intern would be so easy.
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Because...when something goes wrong, and they do not make their timeline, people would throw a fit, even more than they do now.

As others have mentioned, expecting any sort of ETA is completely unreasonable.
But honestly, this whole upgrade experience has been pretty underwhelming for two reasons: lack of communication and very slow speed. The volume bug -- a completely show-stopping bug -- took two weeks for a fix. I highly doubt it would take Apple that long to issue a software fix for such a serious bug. Sorry to bring Apple into the discussion, but it's true.
Not to mention that it's taken Google FIVE months to get NFC to be fully functional...
At the end of the day, having relatively quick updates of stock Android will probably keep me with Nexus devices, but an advertised and guaranteed monthly status update? That would be a killer USP. The silence between 4.0.2 and 4.0.4 was absolutely terrible.

boe said:
I like Android more than iphone but at least with iPhone you usually know some of the fixes that are in the works.
I don't know if a radio fix is coming with the next OTA update
I don't knonw when (if) I'll see an update for the Verizon Galaxy Nexus - I'm pretty sure I will but who is to say 100% other than Verizon or Android - tons of rumors like the 4.04 update and the 4.05 update etc but nothing concrete.
I suppose I'm kind of *****in but I'm also pretty sure they could make ALL of their clients happier if they released SOME info. E.g. a radio fix is in the works... or we'll have 4.04 for Verizon customers within 2 months - anything is better than nothing even if they don't' go into tremendous specfics.
Just my opinion of course.
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Yes it sounds great, but it would just make things worse.
People would be exponentially more angry if they gave progress reports and they didn't go where people wanted. They'd complain even more because they'd know it wasn't fixing the way they wanted it to be fixed. And as soon as they promise a timetable and are unable to deliver, all hell would break loose. Either that, or they give a timetable too far in the future to keep from hurting themselves, and people complain the timetable is too far out.
Google and Verizon aren't just sitting on their asses doing nothing. They're working. Its downright insulting saying that Google isn't working hard on these updates. Just be patient ffs.

martonikaj said:
Yes it sounds great, but it would just make things worse.
People would be exponentially more angry if they gave progress reports and they didn't go where people wanted. They'd complain even more because they'd know it wasn't fixing the way they wanted it to be fixed. And as soon as they promise a timetable and are unable to deliver, all hell would break loose. Either that, or they give a timetable too far in the future to keep from hurting themselves, and people complain the timetable is too far out.
Google and Verizon aren't just sitting on their asses doing nothing. They're working. Its downright insulting saying that Google isn't working hard on these updates. Just be patient ffs.
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Agreed. Also with Google (or the manufacturer doing updates) it has to be approved by the carrier UNLESS you're using the GSM model of Galaxy Nexus which is independent of any carrier.
This is from a news article I read yesterday,
“HTC has delivered a ROM to us however it is still having issues the reason that other sensation types have the update without issue and ours did not come out that way is because every ROM must be adapted to the hardware of the device because we use a different radio than other providers and also have applications such as wifi calling it also has to be compatible with those. What the HTC rep told you is most likely correct because once a ROM is delivered we have 2 weeks to test it and then approve it or send it back they then have 4 weeks to fix the bugs and return it back to us, where we are exactly in that process I do not know but that is how a ROM is delivered to the customer.
The original ROM was not delivered to us in November, we started testing it just recently but I think it has been longer than 2 weeks so at this point HTC most likely has the ball.
You bought a phone and it has been announced that you are getting ICS you have every right to know what’s going on with it and when you can see these awesome features. I did go into a lot of detail about how a ROM gets to the end user (you guys) but that wasn’t to point fingers only so you would have a better understanding of why you don’t have it yet, the bottom line is the Sensation has T-Mobile’s and HTC’s name all over it and both companies want to make you proud to be a Sensation owner so we are working as fast as we can to deliver it but also want to make sure that it stands up to your expectations.”
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tl;dr it says that, the ROM that HTC made didn't meet T-Mobile's expectations and has to be fixed by HTC... then sent to T-Mobile to test the ROM equalizing MORE delay
I know OP has Verizon, but that's kind of your fault for using Verizon. We all know how it is when it comes to Verizon and keeping a tight control over their phones. I personally don't consider Galaxy Nexus (LTE) to be a "Nexus" device. It comes bloated with VZW apps, Verizon has to approve the update by Google, Factory images are no longer uploaded, etc.
Kind of off-topic but I'd love to see the idea of Google buying T-Mobile USA from Deutsche Telekom (owners of T-Mobile USA) then we would never have to worry about carriers trying to keep a tight grip on their phones. Not to mention then tight integration between Google services such as Google Voice would be tightly integrated between the carrier and Google services. Just a dream of mines.

Oh lord. Not another 'The Verizon Nexus is not a Nexus device' comment.
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adrynalyne said:
Because...when something goes wrong, and they do not make their timeline, people would throw a fit, even more than they do now.
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But I'm not asking for an eta or timeline. Just something like "here's what we're doing this month, or even this quarter."

adrynalyne said:
Oh lord. Not another 'The Verizon Nexus is not a Nexus device' comment.
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Yea, everyone knows true Nexus devices only come with half the storage space and only on less desirable carriers.

TiltedAz said:
Yea, everyone knows true Nexus devices only come with half the storage space and only on less desirable carriers.
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Ah, my bad

I'm gonna guess the OTA will come with the white 16 gig version on April 5th, and that the white Gnexs will come with 4.0.5 loaded. Just a hunch. The rumors have been early April, so on Thursday or that weekend is my guess.

Well, I don't know about everyone else, but my "fake" Nexus has had 4.0.4 for a long time now. I've seen 2 updates since I bought my Nexus (fairly early after release). Not EVERY update comes via OTA. The Nexus line has ALWAYS been like this. At any rate, my 3 month old "fake and unsupported" Nexus has already seen more updates than my Vibrant ever did.
As far as GSM users complaining over updates, shut up. Your phones didn't need the updates that Google implemented for the CDMA version. I don't want fixes for a phone that isn't mine. I don't want Google releasing something that isn't ready. Radio issues are up to Samsung and the carrier, not Google. Stop whining about Google. Stop thinking Google is the hold up. Google isn't the hold up. Samsung is the hold up. If you have a CDMA version, blame Samsung and Verizon. If you're GSM, place the blame where it largely belongs, on Samsung.
For some reason 80% of people on this forum seem to think that Nexus means that you get an update every month or something like that. Like we should be on 4.1.7 by now or something like that. It's the most insanely retarded community I think I've ever seen in my life.

As a member of the choir and a Verizon customer for12 years
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Keep preaching.

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Yea, everyone knows true Nexus devices only come with half the storage space and only on less desirable carriers.
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Verizon is a less-desirable carrier for me. Just sayin'.

boe said:
I like Android more than iphone but at least with iPhone you usually know some of the fixes that are in the works.
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and since when do you know about iphone updates before release? Apple is the most secretive tech company ever. They only comment on issues when they get really out of hand and media goes all over it (like the recent address book privacy issues or the better known antennagate).
iOS does have private betas though, which is kinda the equivalent of aosp for android in terms of release schedules. aosp 4.0.4 >>> 8 months >>> oem 4.0.4 updates

I Would Never Have Bought This Phone....

I know that's a dramatic title, but it's true. This was my first Android phone, purchased 14 months ago. I quickly found xda, rooted and got s-off. I have enjoyed this community, the developers have been amazing. I have stuck mostly with AOSP ROMs but have played with at least 20 different ones off and on. I love the open source community, and the ability to tweak everything with my phone. That said, my contract will be up in the spring, and when looking at a new phone there are only two options:
the new iPhone - I know that is traitorous, and I probably won't go there (I've invested too much in this OS and in paid apps), but iPhone's ecosystem has so much reliability. There is only a few phone models out there, so you know what you're going to get. When iOS updates, everyone has access to it. It just works. It is less customizable out of the box, but once jailbroken gives many of the same opportunities as Android
a "pure Google" phone (ie Nexus) - this is realistically where I am headed, and where I "hope" the whole Android community is headed. Steve Jobs, love him or hate him, revolutionized the way a cell phone was sold when he made the deal with AT&T. I hope that Google can do the same. I love everything about my HTC Incredible 2, the construction and hardware and functionality are great, but that cannot make up for the fact that ICS was released on October 11, 2011. That's TEN MONTHS AGO! Do you understand what that means in tech time? The average contract length is 1 or two years. That means if you purchased this phone on a one year contract in October, you will possibly never get the ICS update intended for your phone. That is ridiculous. You can point blame wherever you want, but the bottom line is that it's unacceptable. Now if you have a "pure Google" phone you get all those updates immediately, and you also get a group of hungry developers that gather to the phone just because of that. Now, before I hear "just download Aerovan's CM9 it works great" - I have, and it does for the most part, but that's not the point. We should have had fully functioning ICS for 10 months now, and we should have had a fully functioning Jelly Bean for one month. Instead, we may get ICS before Christmas.
tl;dr - buy a "pure Google" phone, the delay in OS updates is not worth getting any other phone (even if it has better "x")
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This is why we have xda... running jb before the ics update comes out lol.
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prototype7 said:
This is why we have xda... running jb before the ics update comes out lol.
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If only it was good enough
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Actually, the current JB update for the GN has terrible battery. ICS 6-8 hours, JB 4-6 hours.
I have 50% of battery at the end of the day with moderate use with my dinc 2
Just another reason I love this phone
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To open: every thing just works. Android just works, wp7&8 just works ios just works. this "just works" nonsense is part of apples campaign. My dinc2 just worked out of the box I chose to make it better at the cost of adding some instability.
The only phone that I know of that didn't work and no amount of dev work can fix was my old dx2.
Here's the truth in the matter ios gives you and every owner the same experience while with android you are given an experience but you can also choose to make your own. Ios is out dated. IPhone hardware is outdated, Apple knows this that's why they sue and patent some of the most retarded things in the name of anti-competitive spirit.
Why go backwards in tech when you can move forward. Go for pure Google. Then you can have a great phone with the latest tech, open software with timely ota updates.
But its your money. Choose to be an isheep or choose to be a Herder its your call.
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densetsu86 said:
To open: every thing just works. Android just works, wp7&8 just works ios just works. this "just works" nonsense is part of apples campaign. My dinc2 just worked out of the box I chose to make it better at the cost of adding some instability.
The only phone that I know of that didn't work and no amount of dev work can fix was my old dx2.
Here's the truth in the matter ios gives you and every owner the same experience while with android you are given an experience but you can also choose to make your own. Ios is out dated. IPhone hardware is outdated, Apple knows this that's why they sue and patent some of the most retarded things in the name of anti-competitive spirit.
Why go backwards in tech when you can move forward. Go for pure Google. Then you can have a great phone with the latest tech, open software with timely ota updates.
But its your money. Choose to be an isheep or choose to be a Herder its your call.
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The x2 was horrible, it had great potential but "motorizon" stepped in, I'm amazed Dragonzkiller is still working in it, for that I give him props.
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Triscuit said:
The x2 was horrible, it had great potential but "motorizon" stepped in, I'm amazed Dragonzkiller is still working in it, for that I give him props.
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Yes, the Incredible2 is an amazing phone.
I would say this is the best phone that can handle any OS till now (Android).
but as I am in India, I am not able to use this phone at its best due to not having proper ICS ROM which support Indian CDMA network.
I tried UKB 1.1x, it works great with GSM, but it did not detect CDMA UIM card...
other than this, this phone is amazing....... and beautifull.....

@OP. I agree option 2 makes most sense and is what I wish to do in the future as well. However, DON'T go with Verizon for your next Nexus phone... Apparently VZW is still delaying the JB update for Verizon's GNex... Appalling news and a slap on the face for the whole Nexus brand... If Asus can release JB on an non-nexus tablet (read TF300) faster than it can come on a nexus phone, what the hell should we do now!? VZW is like a god damn bully who is just plain mocking us and taunting us... It is not even trying to embrace technology and attempts to live in the old days... Screw them. I suppose it makes sense to go for a Nexus device on a GSM network. The way it is MEANT to be! :/ so AT&T (or T-mobile) it is...
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Krishna.tungal said:
Yes, the Incredible2 is an amazing phone.
I would say this is the best phone that can handle any OS till now (Android).
but as I am in India, I am not able to use this phone at its best due to not having proper ICS ROM which support Indian CDMA network.
I tried UKB 1.1x, it works great with GSM, but it did not detect CDMA UIM card...
other than this, this phone is amazing....... and beautifull.....
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Aren't a vast majority of the carriers GSM (excepting Reliance and 1 by Tata I think)?

litetaker said:
@OP. I agree option 2 makes most sense and is what I wish to do in the future as well. However, DON'T go with Verizon for your next Nexus phone... Apparently VZW is still delaying the JB update for Verizon's GNex... Appalling news and a slap on the face for the whole Nexus brand... If Asus can release JB on an non-nexus tablet (read TF300) faster than it can come on a nexus phone, what the hell should we do now!? VZW is like a god damn bully who is just plain mocking us and taunting us... It is not even trying to embrace technology and attempts to live in the old days... Screw them. I suppose it makes sense to go for a Nexus device on a GSM network. The way it is MEANT to be! :/ so AT&T (or T-mobile) it is...
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Is there actual evidence to back this up anywhere? It's coming off like a little bit of FUD to me to say that Verizon is purposely delaying the JB update.

litetaker said:
@OP. I agree option 2 makes most sense and is what I wish to do in the future as well. However, DON'T go with Verizon for your next Nexus phone... Apparently VZW is still delaying the JB update for Verizon's GNex... Appalling news and a slap on the face for the whole Nexus brand... If Asus can release JB on an non-nexus tablet (read TF300) faster than it can come on a nexus phone, what the hell should we do now!? VZW is like a god damn bully who is just plain mocking us and taunting us... It is not even trying to embrace technology and attempts to live in the old days... Screw them. I suppose it makes sense to go for a Nexus device on a GSM network. The way it is MEANT to be! :/ so AT&T (or T-mobile) it is...
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Yes, I think I will only purchase a phone from the Google Play store. When my contract expires I don't want to be locked up in another two year deal.
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Is there actual evidence to back this up anywhere? It's coming off like a little bit of FUD to me to say that Verizon is purposely delaying the JB update.
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There isn't evidence that they are purposely doing it, but what litetaker says is true. Thus the Verizon Galaxy Nexus is not a "pure Google" phone as advertised.

frankspin said:
Is there actual evidence to back this up anywhere? It's coming off like a little bit of FUD to me to say that Verizon is purposely delaying the JB update.
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http://easternmorningherald.com/ver...hen-can-we-expect-the-new-android-os/1215208/
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/08/20/slow-verizon-galaxy-nexus-jelly-bean-update-frustrates/
Now the fact of the matter is Gnexes on Verizon are yet to receive the OTA for JB which was released 41 days ago. Clearly, it is the carrier's incompetence that is causing the delay though it is indeed doubtful whether VZW is doing it purposely or just out of pure incompetence... Whatever it is, it is taking way too long FOR a Nexus device. It is down right laughable and I am not happy about it...
On the other hand, several reports online ([1], [2]) suggest that JB OTA is already out on AT&T and other GSM based carriers... :/
That is simply uncool by VZW AND Sprint, might I add... I dunno what is up with CDMA versions of Gnex. But it is just uncool!