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One X vs. One S. Performance and dev

Getting a new phone as I ran over my Razr with my landcruiser 40..
Live in Norway so I would be getting the EU version of the X with tegra 3.
But looking at the benchmarks of the us version (dual core) of the X, it is clearly very fast. Wondering if we would get similar performance out of the S? And would it be as "xda friendly" as I suspect the X will become?
Money is not the issue, just not sure if I would be comfortable with such a large phone.. (well, the Razr had bezels from hell, so it was very wide)

buljo said:
Getting a new phone as I ran over my Razr with my landcruiser 40..
Live in Norway so I would be getting the EU version of the X with tegra 3.
But looking at the benchmarks of the us version (dual core) of the X, it is clearly very fast. Wondering if we would get similar performance out of the S? And would it be as "xda friendly" as I suspect the X will become?
Money is not the issue, just not sure if I would be comfortable with such a large phone.. (well, the Razr had bezels from hell, so it was very wide)
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One S Krait is fast for single app and for 2 apps, but clearly Tegra 3 outperforms Krait in multi-app and gaming performance. So i would say Tegra3 is more future than dualcore krait.
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HTC one s
i m a lucky guy with already an HTC One S. I did the same benchmark than the ones published for the HTC One XL and I ve got the same results.

Rastasia said:
i m a lucky guy with already an HTC One S. I did the same benchmark than the ones published for the HTC One XL and I ve got the same results.
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Proof please of phone ownership.
It doesn't make any sense for HTC to release their flagship with a less powerful processor than their "mid-range" phone.
It wouldn't be the first time a mobile phone company forgot about what makes sense, but it's not like the HTC one X is going to be underpowered, regardless.
I really don't like the look of the pentile screens, which was the main deciding factor for the One X for me.
From the comments on that benchmark blog post it seems the tests are unrealistic; the scores for the alternatives are artificially low (iirc)

One S at its native QHD res vs One X at its native HD res, they trade blows and almost equal, the One X will show its muscles in quad optimised apps only
as for One X vs One XL = One X is better since T3 is better than dual s4 @ 720p

qpop said:
Proof please of phone ownership.
It doesn't make any sense for HTC to release their flagship with a less powerful processor than their "mid-range" phone.
It wouldn't be the first time a mobile phone company forgot about what makes sense, but it's not like the HTC one X is going to be underpowered, regardless.
I really don't like the look of the pentile screens, which was the main deciding factor for the One X for me.
From the comments on that benchmark blog post it seems the tests are unrealistic; the scores for the alternatives are artificially low (iirc)
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It doesn't makes sense, but they have crippled the one s with the pentile screen and low storage.
The s4 chip in the one s is a generation ahead of anything else until the arm A15 chips arrive. Qualcomm krait is supposed to be much closer to a15 spec than the A9 in tegra 3.

proof
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/7026471353/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/6880371452/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/7026471425/

Rastasia said:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/7026471353/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/6880371452/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/7026471425/
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congrats on your sexy beast mate, i love the One S
but these benchs are nothing new, Velloma is a not heavily multi-threaded Qualcomm test
excellent Device, what color did you get?

Thé blue/grey one. Do u want me to test on an other benchmark?
Sent from my HTC One S using XDA

Rastasia said:
Thé blue/grey one. Do u want me to test on an other benchmark?
Sent from my HTC One S using XDA
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best color mate! i bet its gorgeous
yes try Antutu https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.antutu.ABenchMark&feature=search_result
and GL benchmark offscreen 720p tests https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.glbenchmark.glbenchmark21&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5nbGJlbmNobWFyay5nbGJlbmNobWFyazIxIl0.

congrats on having the new device..
may i ask why did u got it so fast... ?!?!

fi3ry_icy said:
congrats on having the new device..
may i ask why did u got it so fast... ?!?!
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it s a test device from a provider
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hamdir said:
best color mate! i bet its gorgeous
yes try Antutu https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.antutu.ABenchMark&feature=search_result
and GL benchmark offscreen 720p tests https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.glbenchmark.glbenchmark21&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5nbGJlbmNobWFyay5nbGJlbmNobWFyazIxIl0.
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can t get your second benchmark but here s your first request
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/7026577361/

Rastasia said:
it s a test device from a provider
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can t get your second benchmark but here s your first request
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/7026577361/
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thanks you just confirmed my point of view, Antutu shows off the quads a lot better than a qualcomm test
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HTC ONE X is a wat better with Tegra
hamdir said:
thanks you just confirmed my point of view, Antutu shows off the quads a lot better than a qualcomm test
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This is proof
source
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmWRaaAteZg

those who haven't checked Anandtechs' review of the iPad3 i suggest you do, its full of juicy information
having settled all this info in my mind, it's quit easy to draw a clear picture
the Tegra3 is a chip-set that jumped most competitors with such an early entry to quad mobile CPUs, the only other quad in the market is the PS Vita's SOC (Sony CXD5315 build by Toshiba), both quad A9, early worries about memory bandwith/L2 cache are unfounded simply because ARM A9's memory controller can't keep up with more
Snapdragon 4 introduced dual memory channel, major optimization and performance per core, however its advantage is offset by the lack of cores, its a good design for quad but right now its excellent cores will still be stalled by multi-tasking and it's amazing memory bandwidth will go to waste
Right now Tegra3 is still the best Mobile CPU you can have, better than the A5x and dual S4, however the major let down of the Tegra 3 is it's GPU
Nvidia claimed 12 cores GPU on the T3 but that's simply the number of SIMDs and not physical cores, ARM also names its SIMDs as core, but this only confuses customers, Nvidia will use this naming scheme to counter Apple claims, like Asus already responded on twitter
ARM SGX543 MP series has physical core scaling, but its only 8 SIMDs per Core, vs 12 on the Tegra 3, 8 on Adreno225 and 5 on Mali-400, the A5 has 2 cores and hence 16 SIMDs while the A5x has 4 cores and hence 32 SIMDs
In reality the Tegra3 GPU falls a little short of the iPad 2 GPU, while it beats Mali-400 and Adreno225 in most situations but not all areas, Nvidia extracted all they can from this GPU by some aggressive drivers optimization and hacks, this is how they achieved their 3x Tegra2 claim i.e: its already optimized don't expect much room here
Nvidia's GPU is really disappointing but not a disaster, it just doesn't hold a lot of overhead, right now its still the fastest GPU for android and has the quad to back it up once an app is T3 optimized, the quads can add console quality gameplay additions like ragdoll, physics and particles but might not improve FPS (this will require an engine written from grounds up for multi core and i doubt devs will be inclined)
The iPad3 GPU is massively powerful, a testament to the PS Vita's GPU, however unlike the Vita its power is wasted on those pixels and hence games will benefit from it but not the 2x jump from current iPad2/iPhone4s games, like infinity blade 2 shows, it only managed a 1.4x resolution increase without loosing frame rate, so yes most 3D games on the iPad3 will not be retina boosted, why do i keep bringing up iPad? because iOS is still the leader when it comes to mobile gaming and most games we get on Android are ports, the future of iOS games will draw the future of Android games
All this makes me conclude the following
Android's main appeal is still the OS, what you can do with it and multi tasking, which translates into the main appeal for Tegra3, its ridiculous to even think quad cores can not benefit such a heavily multi-threaded OS
Android is still not the best platform for gaming but wether we like it or not, it's best grounds for gaming is Tegrazone simply because we have Nvidia pushing/bribing developers in this direction
If you are buying an Android device right now the best you can do is Nvidia Tegra3 but damn you Nvidia for not being more generous
its been the case for ages, asymmetry between CPU and GPU power, xbox360 had a more power GPU against its CPU, PS3 had the CPU against its GPU, Apple A5x has its GPU against last year CPU, the only SOC that satisfies both angles is PS Vita with its quad CPU and quad GPU but that's because Sony has to worry about the product life cycle which is over 4 years
so you can see Tegra3 has the CPU against its GPU, its not really breaking the norms in here, its business as usual

went for the S.
well, just posted in the S forums..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=24454178#post24454178
ended up with the one S instead of the X. the feel of the phones did it for me.

Karbonn A18 4.0.4 general discussions, development

This thread is created for development and general discussions on A18.
Phone specs
Display : IPS capacitive touchscreen, 256K colors
Size: 480 x 800 pixels, 4.3 inches (~217 ppi)
Multitouch: Yes
-Touch-sensitive controls
3.5mm jack: Yes
Memory Card: up to 32 GB
Internal: 1GB ROM, 512 users usable
512 MB RAM
Data: GPRS
EDGE
HSDPA
WLAN: Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n
Bluetooth: Yes, v4 with A2DP
Camera: Primary 5MP HD LED flash
Video: Yes
Secondary: Yes, 1.3MP
Features: OS Android OS, v4.0.3 (Ice Cream Sandwich)
CPU: 1 GHz superfast processor
Sensors: Accelerometer,
Proximity
Messaging SMS(threaded view)
MMS, Email, Push Email, IM
Browser: HTML
GPS: Yes, with A-GPS support
Java: Yes, via Java MIDP emulator
Colors: Black & Silver
- Dual SIM
- SNS integration
- MP3/AAC/WMA/WAV player
- MP4/WMV/H.264/H.263 player
- Organizer
- Document viewer
- Google Search, Maps, Gmail, Youtube, Calendar, Google Talk
- Voice memo/dial
- Predictive text input (Swype)
Battery : Standard battery, Li-Ion 1600 mAh
Stand-by: Up to 244 h
Talk time : Up to 7 h
Competitors:
Micromax A100
Micromax A90
Karbonn A9
Spice Mi 425
Spice Mi 500
Head to the link to purchase
http://www.flipkart.com/karbonn-a18-mobile-phone/p/itmdcuc2un5cnzja?pid=MOBDCUBK3NGHWHU7
Price: 9790
Check this place for hands on video and sample images videos and let's just get started

Karbonn A18 is pre-rooted!!!!
hey folks finally good my phone yesterday!!!
its an awesome built quality, better than A9, good display and nice fast responsive touch, 478mb RAM, but takes hell lot of time to charge full battery even wit galaxy s2 charger
Greatest news its pre-rooted!!!!
just install super user and have root access, but recovery is still an issue!

have you give a look at G'five android mobiles
http://nitin-xyz.blogspot.in/2012/09/gfive-android-mobiles-mediatek-mtk-6575.html
i have visited g'five showroom and have taken a hands on of their phone and it looks nice they have also used MediaTek 6575 chipsets mostly and Broadcom chipsets are also used which is used in galaxy Y.

aman.droid said:
have you give a look at G'five android mobiles
http://nitin-xyz.blogspot.in/2012/09/gfive-android-mobiles-mediatek-mtk-6575.html
i have visited g'five showroom and have taken a hands on of their phone and it looks nice they have also used MediaTek 6575 chipsets mostly and Broadcom chipsets are also used which is used in galaxy Y.
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'm sorry dude but G'five has no market, reputation, service centers, development options, quality after market support for accessories!!!
personally don't wanna try it at all

I am thinking to buy this phone....
Please can you suggest me is its ips screen is better than micromax a100 screen
should i go for karbonn a18

nirav07 said:
I am thinking to buy this phone....
Please can you suggest me is its ips screen is better than micromax a100 screen
should i go for karbonn a18
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goin by user review of micronax a100. it has loads of issues, so I suggest u go wit a18, or wait till I give my hands on review

Hi,
This is my new karbonn A18 , bought it some days back for Rs 9700..
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pros-
4.3 ics screen is awesome !!!
Cheap .
512mb ram
ics
super smooth performance
plays 720p video with little lag (in mxplayer)
5mp with 720p , burst mode , face detection , smile shot etc
mediatek 6575
powervr gfx531
Quadrant 2100 (average ) max (2349)
Antutu – 3718
Nenamark – 44.4fps
Nenamark 2 – 22.6
cons -
Instead of 1gb just 512 mb ram!!
not dual core.
micromax a90 is better in looks .
low quality 720p recording .
Secondary mic not utilized for stereo audio recording for video..
benchmarks
Video ...
camera
Test 720p video recording
Stll camera and front cam samples
front cam
More details
http://www.karbonnmobiles.com/product_a18_detail.php
Specification :
Single Core (mkt6575) 1GHz CPU -- GPU -- Powervr sgx531.
ICS (Android 4.0).
4.3 inch IPS capacitive touchscreen with 800×480 pixels resolution.
16M colors .
512MB RAM , 2GB internal storage and micro SD support.
5MP camera (burst mode , face detection , smile shot, best shot etc )
720p video capture @30fps .
plays 800x480 videos super smooth and 720p videos with slight lag in Mx player.
Quality audio output overall , speaker quality is very good but average sound output .
Multitouch = 3
Bluetooth 2.1
Usb 2.0
Benchmark results :
Quadrant 2349, Antutu -- 3718, Nenamark -- 44.4fps, Nenamark 2 -- 22.6
3G,wi-fi, Bluetooth 4, microUSB, 3.5mm audio port and GPS.
1500mAh Li-ion battery. good battery backup.
Dimension is same as galaxy s2 but little thick.
price Rs 9700.

Have flashed CWM if yes then take backup and upload....plz....
Sent from my A9 using Tapatalk 2

is it really 16m color display because some are saying its 262k

Kinghacker said:
Have flashed CWM if yes then take backup and upload....plz....
Sent from my A9 using Tapatalk 2
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dude Have't got hands no yet nor do I think we have root method yet!!

nirav07 said:
is it really 16m color display because some are saying its 262k
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its 256k probably, but will conform soon!!
edit: its 256k conformed!!!

WIFI Hotspot
I have a question
Does this phone have a decent battery backup?
Does this phone have wifi hotspot ???
Please let me know, i am going to buy this phone in sometime and i hope to help in any kind development possible.

kalekarbonna5 said:
I have a question
Does this phone have a decent battery backup?
Does this phone have wifi hotspot ???
Please let me know, i am going to buy this phone in sometime and i hope to help in any kind development possible.
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the battery is pretty good, its giving me around 18 -20hrs of back up wit moderate use wit battery savor installed!
WiFi hotspot is a default programe in android from 2.3 +, and this is 4.0.3 so it surely has it! all the best for ur purchase

specifications
sir, can you post the actual system info here? you can get the info from "android system info" app from the play store.
eagerly waiting for the chipset,rom,ram,processor info.

Pritesh.mohan said:
sir, can you post the actual system info here? you can get the info from "android system info" app from the play store.
eagerly waiting for the chipset,rom,ram,processor info.
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read this prop u will understand better

got some info about this phone..
its rebranded Chinese phone
here it is< http://www.dinodirect.com/ProductReviews/ProductID-1165961.html?cur=INR >
but still looks to be an awesome phone!!

gpu
Pro's
this device is already running on ics
already rooted
IPS tft lcs of 4.3 inch
high power battery
camera quality is greay with autofocus and single led flash
dual sim with wcdma
wifi-hotspot etc
questions-
1)can we tweak the camera to record ''better'' and ''crisp'' quality video of 720p?
2)what about gpu?
as far as I know, it has cortex a9 processor, which does not support andreno 200 gpu.
so which gpu is in the device?
3) everyone knows that ics is high on ram demand as compared to 2.3.6
so does the 512 mb user available ram makes this device a litle slow?
((personal experience on this one))

Pritesh.mohan said:
Pro's
this device is already running on ics
already rooted
IPS tft lcs of 4.3 inch
high power battery
camera quality is greay with autofocus and single led flash
dual sim with wcdma
wifi-hotspot etc
questions-
1)can we tweak the camera to record ''better'' and ''crisp'' quality video of 720p?
2)what about gpu?
as far as I know, it has cortex a9 processor, which does not support andreno 200 gpu.
so which gpu is in the device?
3) everyone knows that ics is high on ram demand as compared to 2.3.6
so does the 512 mb user available ram makes this device a litle slow?
((personal experience on this one))
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1. it records 720p at 30fps
2. it has PowerVR SGX531 GPU, and its a ARMv7 NEON processor, not CORTEX a9.
3. it works like charm, and I had no issues wit its smoothness or any lag till date!

how did you install cwm ?

My most used App on a mobile phone
From my past experience, WiFi HotSpot has been my most used App on a mobile phone.
So, does Karbonn A18 it support WiFi HotSpot tethering? Are there any issues in using this feature while being connected to the laptop with a data/charging cable?

Octa-core Ascend P6S confirmed

The Huawei CEO confirmed that the Ascend P6S will use a true octa-core SoC, this one it's a custom job and will replace the K3V2 the ticks inside the Ascend P6 and a bunch of others devices from Huawei. More information in the link below:
True octa-core Ascend P6S SoC

Looks like Ascend P6S wont get 8 cores. Here are some images and specs
http://huaweinews.com/2013/11/ascend-p6s-specs-not-octa-core/

Huawei seems to be having some tight competition in coming months. So many Chinese brands bringing their flagship phones with high end specs that competes with the best. But from what Huawei is releasing it don't seem they have any plans to be in that competition. More like higher mid range and lower high end specs.

warea said:
Huawei seems to be having some tight competition in coming months. So many Chinese brands bringing their flagship phones with high end specs that competes with the best. But from what Huawei is releasing it don't seem they have any plans to be in that competition. More like higher mid range and lower high end specs.
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Is this P6S gonna have LTE ?

GalaxySIIII said:
Is this P6S gonna have LTE ?
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Not sure yet. But in pdadb.net website, the P6S specs does mention it as LTE. Its most likely to be true because LTE was denied on P6 because of battery concerns and since P6S got big battery improvement, LTE should be on it.

warea said:
Not sure yet. But in pdadb.net website, the P6S specs does mention it as LTE. Its most likely to be true because LTE was denied on P6 because of battery concerns and since P6S got big battery improvement, LTE should be on it.
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I really wud welcome LTE bcos currently the internet on P6 is really slow .. and guys u have to admit with me .. it is quite poor and doesn't matter if am on H+ or Wi-Fi when i type address it load and then it stops and thinking thinking seconds .. it takes too long tho .. compare with iP5 phew .. browsing is like flying .. really ..

Yep, seems that I was wrong and so were the rumors. I found it strange for the Huawei simple make an octa-core without any anouncements or teasers.
Hope this new chip take Huawei's phone performance up, cause the K3V2 couldn't do it. But I'm sad to read that the GC4000 is out, realy like it's archtecture and performance. Also use a Mali 450MP that has no native support for OpenGL ES 3.0 in a brand new chip set and still on Cotex A9 is some way lame, perhaps it can surprise me cause make over 22k on AnTuTu is something for a quad A9. The up in the internal memory was good too, 16GB for apps it's much nicer tahn 8GB.
Huawei confirmed the KitKat for the P6, I'm wating to see the results in performance(hope Huawei had optamized for it's chip) and the new Emotion UI.

Maybe there will be no Octa core to Huawei P6s but that is still most fashion model (and slimmest) on the market. Got to say it is the most beatiful phone today.

GalaxySIIII said:
I really wud welcome LTE bcos currently the internet on P6 is really slow .. and guys u have to admit with me .. it is quite poor and doesn't matter if am on H+ or Wi-Fi when i type address it load and then it stops and thinking thinking seconds .. it takes too long tho .. compare with iP5 phew .. browsing is like flying .. really ..
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P6S will use Balong V9R1/Kirin 910 which has an integrated LTE baseband. So some markets will get LTE version.

levizx said:
P6S will use Balong V9R1/Kirin 910 which has an integrated LTE baseband. So some markets will get LTE version.
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Cool NIce one thnx for info am looking forward for this smartphone .. but .. is it then trus it's gonna be thicker ? 7.something not 6.something anymore ?

There is one thread on Baidu forums where Huawei R&D engineer is answering questions. He reveals that Huawei Ascend D3 would be getting the K3V3, which he says is 8 core CPU with some heat->power converting technology, and that it uses Mali T628 GPU (Same gpu used by note 3). D3 would release early next year. So my guess is that other phones releasing next year would also use the same and so the likely specs of P7, if they plan to release next year.

According to the Huawei R&D guy answering questions: "P6S, not more expensive than the p6".

warea said:
There is one thread on Baidu forums where Huawei R&D engineer is answering questions. He reveals that Huawei Ascend D3 would be getting the K3V3, which he says is 8 core CPU with some heat->power converting technology, and that it uses Mali T628 GPU (Same gpu used by note 3). D3 would release early next year. So my guess is that other phones releasing next year would also use the same and so the likely specs of P7, if they plan to release next year.
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link please?

Ruchira88 said:
link please?
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The thread is a month old and he ends answering questions by page 30 : http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2630116007

WOW So the 8-core will get 25k on antutu, Crap

Traace said:
WOW So the 8-core will get 25k on antutu, Crap
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The MTK 8 core is clocked at :
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As for the 8 core K3V3, no benchmark leaks on it except for this one most probably a fake:
http://weibo.com/3753488582/AkewG5FJl
The R&D engineer for Huawei did suggest the performance would be something similar to samsung s4 (or note 3 ? i don't remember). So if that is true then nothing sort of breakthrough in terms of benchmarks.
But the 8 core has other advantages if the developers optimize for it: http://blog.gsmarena.com/gameloft-shows-the-benefit-of-mediateks-octa-core-cpu/

warea said:
There is one thread on Baidu forums where Huawei R&D engineer is answering questions. He reveals that Huawei Ascend D3 would be getting the K3V3, which he says is 8 core CPU with some heat->power converting technology, and that it uses Mali T628 GPU (Same gpu used by note 3). D3 would release early next year. So my guess is that other phones releasing next year would also use the same and so the likely specs of P7, if they plan to release next year.
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So far as I know the K3V3 is a quad core chip using 2 Cortex A15 and 2 Cortex A7 through the big.LITTLE arctecture similar to Exynos. And the K3V3 uses Mali T658 GPU.

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GalaxySIIII said:
I really wud welcome LTE bcos currently the internet on P6 is really slow .. and guys u have to admit with me .. it is quite poor and doesn't matter if am on H+ or Wi-Fi when i type address it load and then it stops and thinking thinking seconds .. it takes too long tho .. compare with iP5 phew .. browsing is like flying .. really ..
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so .. if u see a BMW with 250 km/h close to u .. and one friend will say "omg how fast that guy pass" u will say .."hmm actualy it was VERRY SLOW.. i saw a bugati running wayy more faster" why u have to compare with other phones? if u think other works bether u can easy buy other.. ! and .. when i read" the internet on P6 is really slow" ? wtf? realy slow?? u know what ur talking about ? for me this phone open internet websites faster then my computer.. if this is verry slow for u .. i can`t imagine what an 3-4 years old phone will work for u .. u will say "it is not working " ?

Huawei's 8core chip released:
We report the good news: Hass 28nm HPM process A9 quad-core, and high-end eight-core (quad-core quad-core A15 + A7) have been introduced, and are SOC program, the chip integrates a GSM / WCDMA / TDS / TD-LTE / FDD-LTE communication Modem. Recently dual card dual standby Ascend P6S phones have started shipping, Mate2 will also be listed after the Spring Festival, and there are a number of high-end products will be used Hass, Qualcomm and MTK chips, competitiveness will become stronger!
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http://weibo.com/1100856704/As1FaAUlW?ref=home
On comments section he also mentioned they are releasing 64bit chip this year:
Yu Chengdong: Photographic ISP processing performance improvements will become increasingly large, especially 64-bit chips (A53 and A57) will also be launched this year, entered the high-end eight-core 64bit (A53 + A57) era! (Today, 00:15)
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Elephone P8 MTK6592 1.7GHz Octa Core 5.7 Inch FHD 1920x1080

Hello.....
This thread is about the The ELEPHONE P8 MTK6592 1.7GHz Octa Core 5.7 inch with FHD 1920x1080.
Will be updating this thread with relevant info!
WRITTEN REVIEW:
I have now used the phone for some days, and I already have a good impression of this phone. The Elephone is high quality compared to my older HDC Galaxy Note 3 N9006 (with only Quad Core). You really can feel and see that the Elephone P8 is of the newer Octa-core generation. Almost everything is better on this phone than on older Quad Cores.
The screen is really nice, sharp & clear and have some real vivid colours. Almost everyone that I have showed the device, have told me that the screen is very nice. So the FHD 1920x1080 must do a difference.
The camera in the Elephone P8 is also of the "good" type. It has some few extras like object focus, voice capture etc, but especially photos indoor are much better than on my older HDC. I think it is pretty equal to the Jiake X3S (also Octa Core). My wife tried the camera, and the first she said to me is, "wow this one, actually has a good camera".
The Dual Sim and 3G works perfect! The speed of the phone is what you can expect from an Octa-core. And scores close to 27000 in Antutu. Games and apps runs very good on the phone. The backspeaker is loud, even maybe too loud sometimes (there is a setting to boost the volume in the phones options). But especially the earspeaker and the quality is 10 times better than on my HDC. That is really a big plus for me. You hear people really clear when you speak with them.
The phone is really big (even bigger than the normal Note 3) so it is only for people with big hands But the overall build quality of the phone is very good, almost as good as the real brands like Samsung, HTC etc. I have noticed that it is very solid, and it doesn't feel cheap at all.
If I shall say something bad, then it must be the light in the hardware buttons, it could be stronger. But at least there is some light. And there is no options to set the sensitivity of the screen. I would like it to be a little bit more sensitive if possible, but still it is good. Another thing is that I haven't found a way to change to a custom wallpaper on the stock lockscreen, it only allowes me to use the builtin wallpapers.
The battery life is good, I would say 1 1/2 day with normal usage. But it also has a pretty big battery, but on the other hand also a very big screen, which uses a lot of power - so it evens out. I will recommend this phone if you want a phone with good quality, it is not a 1:1 clone of the Note 3. But it has much better build quality than the clones have. The problem with the 1:1 clones are that they often are cheap made, because they are sold as clones and not have their own brand/name.
Highlights
♦ 5.7 inch Screen, 1920*1080 pixel display
♦ MTK6592 1.7GHz Octa core
♦ Support 3G network: GSM 850/900/1800/1900 & WCDMA 850/2100 MHz
♦ 2GB RAM + 16GB ROM
♦ 13MP back camera + 5MP front camera
♦ The latest Android 4.2 System
♦ Air Gestures
♦ Clearmotion (video motion enhancer)
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Video Reviews:
Camera test:
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http://peecee.dk/uploads/032014/IMG_20140321_170116.jpg
http://peecee.dk/uploads/032014/IMG_20140321_170833.jpg
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http://peecee.dk/uploads/032014/IMG_20140322_100403.jpg
http://peecee.dk/uploads/032014/IMG_20140321_170023.jpg
Issues:
Fixes:
Tweaks:
http://n2k1.com/n2k1/Sesonn_N9000+/
Tips:
Benchmarks:
Antutu 27000
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Basic
Brand: ELEPHONE
Color: White / Black
System: Android 4.2
Storage
CPU: MTK6592 1.7GHz Octa core
RAM: 2 GB
ROM: 16 GB
Front Camera 5 Megapixel
Back Camera 13 Megapixel
Band: GSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz WCDMA 850/2100 MHz
3G support
SIM Card Slot: Dual card dual standby
Display Size (inch): 5.7"
Screen res: 1920*1080
Languages:
English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, German, Malaysia, Indonesia, Viet, Turkish, Russian, Arabic, Thailand, Korean, Indonesian, Malay, Czech, Filipino, Magyar, Nederland, Romanian Greek, Hebrew, Simple/Traditional Chinese
What's in the box?
Cell Phone × 1
Phone to USB Cable × 1
Rechargeable Li-ion Battery × 1
Headset × 1
Charger × 1
User Manual – English × 1
Screen Protector × 1

Waiting for your review and a safe way to root and backup
Enviado do meu P8 através de Tapatalk

I'll be watching this thread. I'm expecting that my phone comes this week.
I think there are already way's to root the phone and this is the latest firmware:
http://share.weiyun.com/a12f8cb3ad8e6d4adcaa899772efbcac

I just watched your review, nice one. The only thing that's worrying me is that it will be to big

diederikmo said:
I'll be watching this thread. I'm expecting that my phone comes this week.
I think there are already way's to root the phone and this is the latest firmware:
http://share.weiyun.com/a12f8cb3ad8e6d4adcaa899772efbcac
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What is new in that firmware? any changelog or info about it in English?
I think it can be rooted with vRoot (like in my video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuT8ffLaym8)

s7yler said:
What is new in that firmware? any changelog or info about it in English?
I think it can be rooted with vRoot (like in my video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuT8ffLaym8)
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I found the firmware true the MTK forum but have no changelog or info.
http://mtkforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=415&start=100

diederikmo said:
I found the firmware true the MTK forum but have no changelog or info.
http://mtkforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=415&start=100
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I DL the new firmware but I don't know how to upgrade it. Any ideas?

Download spflashtool v5 it worked for me
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nuno1982moreira said:
Download spflashtool v5 it worked for me
Enviado do meu P8 através de Tapatalk
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do you have the steps for the upgrading. I cant find the drivers for this phone.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1982587 I hope it helps you
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Elephone P8
s7yler said:
Hello.....
This thread is about the The ELEPHONE P8 MTK6592 1.7GHz Octa Core 5.7 inch with FHD 1920x1080.
Will be updating this thread with relevant info!
WRITTEN REVIEW:
I have now used the phone for some days, and I already have a good impression of this phone. The Elephone is high quality compared to my older HDC Galaxy Note 3 N9006 (with only Quad Core). You really can feel and see that the Elephone P8 is of the newer Octa-core generation. Almost everything is better on this phone than on older Quad Cores.
The screen is really nice, sharp & clear and have some real vivid colours. Almost everyone that I have showed the device, have told me that the screen is very nice. So the FHD 1920x1080 must do a difference.
The camera in the Elephone P8 is also of the "good" type. It has some few extras like object focus, voice capture etc, but especially photos indoor are much better than on my older HDC. I think it is pretty equal to the Jiake X3S (also Octa Core). My wife tried the camera, and the first she said to me is, "wow this one, actually has a good camera".
The Dual Sim and 3G works perfect! The speed of the phone is what you can expect from an Octa-core. And scores close to 27000 in Antutu. Games and apps runs very good on the phone. The backspeaker is loud, even maybe too loud sometimes (there is a setting to boost the volume in the phones options). But especially the earspeaker and the quality is 10 times better than on my HDC. That is really a big plus for me. You hear people really clear when you speak with them.
The phone is really big (even bigger than the normal Note 3) so it is only for people with big hands But the overall build quality of the phone is very good, almost as good as the real brands like Samsung, HTC etc. I have noticed that it is very solid, and it doesn't feel cheap at all.
If I shall say something bad, then it must be the light in the hardware buttons, it could be stronger. But at least there is some light. And there is no options to set the sensitivity of the screen. I would like it to be a little bit more sensitive if possible, but still it is good. Another thing is that I haven't found a way to change to a custom wallpaper on the stock lockscreen, it only allowes me to use the builtin wallpapers.
The battery life is good, I would say 1 1/2 day with normal usage. But it also has a pretty big battery, but on the other hand also a very big screen, which uses a lot of power - so it evens out. I will recommend this phone if you want a phone with good quality, it is not a 1:1 clone of the Note 3. But it has much better build quality than the clones have. The problem with the 1:1 clones are that they often are cheap made, because they are sold as clones and not have their own brand/name.
Highlights
♦ 5.7 inch Screen, 1920*1080 pixel display
♦ MTK6592 1.7GHz Octa core
♦ Support 3G network: GSM 850/900/1800/1900 & WCDMA 850/2100 MHz
♦ 2GB RAM + 16GB ROM
♦ 13MP back camera + 5MP front camera
♦ The latest Android 4.2 System
♦ Air Gestures
♦ Clearmotion (video motion enhancer)
I ordered mine from here (in black)
Camera test:
Issues:
Fixes:
Tweaks:
Tips:
Benchmarks:
Will come soon!
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Basic
Brand: ELEPHONE
Color: White / Black
System: Android 4.2
Storage
CPU: MTK6592 1.7GHz Octa core
RAM: 2 GB
ROM: 16 GB
Front Camera 5 Megapixel
Back Camera 13 Megapixel
Band: GSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz WCDMA 850/2100 MHz
3G support
SIM Card Slot: Dual card dual standby
Display Size (inch): 5.7"
Screen res: 1920*1080
Languages:
English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, German, Malaysia, Indonesia, Viet, Turkish, Russian, Arabic, Thailand, Korean, Indonesian, Malay, Czech, Filipino, Magyar, Nederland, Romanian Greek, Hebrew, Simple/Traditional Chinese
What's in the box?
Cell Phone × 1
Phone to USB Cable × 1
Rechargeable Li-ion Battery × 1
Headset × 1
Charger × 1
User Manual – English × 1
Screen Protector × 1
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Hi there, loved your review! very detailed and informative about the phone.
Influenced me to buy it.
I've got the phone now and was just wondering will there ever be an option to improve screen sensitivity? because in some games the screen is not responsive enough, which is disappointing because it is fast enough to handle them well
I was also wondering if new roms or updated firmware will improve battery life? and where would you be able to download them?
thanks, I shall await your reply !

Loikeable said:
Hi there, loved your review! very detailed and informative about the phone.
Influenced me to buy it.
I've got the phone now and was just wondering will there ever be an option to improve screen sensitivity? because in some games the screen is not responsive enough, which is disappointing because it is fast enough to handle them well
I was also wondering if new roms or updated firmware will improve battery life? and where would you be able to download them?
thanks, I shall await your reply !
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I think ROMs will come on www.needrom.com when available, but so far I have not tried any other ROM yet.
Have not found a way yet to alter the screen sensitivity in games.

Following
Just wanna let you know I will have one soon and will begin tinkering. Hopefully we can make this phone a community supported one!

jcianci12 said:
Just wanna let you know I will have one soon and will begin tinkering. Hopefully we can make this phone a community supported one!
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Nice ! :good:

There seems to be a new Rom:
http://www.needrom.com/mobile/elephone-p8-p8_20140411/

Nice review by the OP. So far it's been pretty good. Has anyone found a working CWM or TWRP custom recovery yet?

Goodold said:
Nice review by the OP. So far it's been pretty good. Has anyone found a working CWM or TWRP custom recovery yet?
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Here you'll find everything you need:
http://www.chinaphonearena.com/foru...575-MT6515-MT6577-MT6517-MT6589-MT6582-MT6592

diederikmo said:
Here you'll find everything you need:
http://www.chinaphonearena.com/foru...575-MT6515-MT6577-MT6517-MT6589-MT6582-MT6592
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Thanks. Had already seen that! Unfortunatly I only have a Tablet and so can't use the method they suggest. Cheers anyway!!

ROM Kitkat 4.4 available
New rom with android KitKat 4.4 for Elephone P8 available on needrom! Someone tried it?

bluemask69 said:
New rom with android KitKat 4.4 for Elephone P8 available on needrom! Someone tried it?
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I tried it, it is good, they don't have the samsung look anymore but the one dreathfull thing about kitkat:
http://www.androidcentral.com/kitkat-sdcard-changes
I couldn't use go backup and titanium backup anymore so i went back to 4.2.2

Vernee Apollo (Pro) Official Thread: Unboxing, Hands On, Full Review!

I just received my Vernee Apollo, the long awaited phone that Vernee announced back in March! It's been almost 10 months and this is it! The flagship of Vernee has finally arrived. My video above shows my unboxing, hands on, and first impressions of this device and below I'll write up a quick summary of what I think of the phone.
First Impressions of the Vernee Apollo:
The box is huge because there is a VR headset included
The phone feels very well made and finished quite exquisitely actually
There are some bezels around the screen but I didn't really notice
The phone is large (based on the dimensions) but doesn't feel that big
Screen is 2K, honestly didn't really notice when I first turned it on, looks quite similar to 1080p when not in a VR headset
Feels fast enough for a flagship
The VR headset is plastic but isn't Google Cardboard compatible
Full Specifications:
5.5" 2k IPS LCD Display
MTK Helio X20 Chipset
6GB RAM, 128GB Storage
21MP Camera with Sony IMX230 Sensor
8MP Front Camera
4G/LTE
FAQ:
Will it work on your carrier?
Check Will my Phone work, but in USA most likely not
Does it actually have a 2K display?
100%, checked on CPU-Z, Antutu etc and also looked very closely, it is actually 2K
Does it have 6GB of RAM?
Currently no, it seems like it isn't, as CPU-Z, Antutu and the stock memory manager in Android says only 4GB. Will investigate more.
Does VR work on this headset?
Ish, Vernee's headset in the box does not come with an app to calibrate it nor does it work with Google Cardboard, so it will be a lot more difficult to setup than normal VR headsets. Otherwise, I tested it in Youtube and it works.

Well this phone has all things to hit the headlines and but how many people will this info about this smartphone reach and how many will buy it? But definitely this is the right way to get noticed, atleast for startup.:good:
A win win for both consumer and OEM:highfive:

it is amazing, i like it. good design.

yogeshpatel37 said:
Well this phone has all things to hit the headlines and but how many people will this info about this smartphone reach and how many will buy it? But definitely this is the right way to get noticed, atleast for startup.:good:
A win win for both consumer and OEM:highfive:
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Yeah but what counts the most is updates and soc support from the os and app standpoint. At the end a 820 can be much faster
And thats why its not on the news
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yogeshpatel37 said:
Well this phone has all things to hit the headlines and but how many people will this info about this smartphone reach and how many will buy it? But definitely this is the right way to get noticed, atleast for startup.:good:
A win win for both consumer and OEM:highfive:
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Yup. The only worry I have is the price tag. In this case, Jessie J is wrong (don't think many would get that reference). This is probably the first phone to release with a base of 128GB storage and 6GB of RAM. In the article as well, it's started by a reputable ODM, a little bit like how Oneplus was started by Oppo, even though they kind of deny it.

and313 said:
Yeah but what counts the most is updates and soc support from the os and app standpoint. At the end a 820 can be much faster
And thats why its not on the news
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OS updates and SoC support are not why this is being excluded from the news, they just don't have a big enough marketing engine.
And depending on the price, OS updates are not hte most important. If you're paying north of $600, you should expect the best of the best in terms of support, but if you're hitting bargain bin prices for insane specs, support would be nice, but not as likely.

Yups agreed that they don't have much marketing knowledge but slowly steadily they got to pick up the momentum, unlike few other Chinese OEM which aren't been getting noticed.
At the end of the day there is a phone with 6 GB RAM and 128 GB internal memory with 21 MP Sony camera sensor. That's it!
BTW anyone know about it's price?

zijin_cheng said:
OS updates and SoC support are not why this is being excluded from the news, they just don't have a big enough marketing engine.
And depending on the price, OS updates are not hte most important. If you're paying north of $600, you should expect the best of the best in terms of support, but if you're hitting bargain bin prices for insane specs, support would be nice, but not as likely.
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Its not the price tag that pays for your updates. Look at the nexus line and then at sammy. You pay almost twice the amount for a galaxy device, yet the nexus line gets updates faster. Same goes for oneplus, moto (before they were sold to lenovo)... The only difference is the materials used and design.
And again a 820 will probably be faster with the os, app support
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and313 said:
Its not the price tag that pays for your updates. Look at the nexus line and then at sammy. You pay almost twice the amount for a galaxy device, yet the nexus line gets updates faster. Same goes for oneplus, moto (before they were sold to lenovo)... The only difference is the materials used and design.
And again a 820 will probably be faster with the os, app support
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I didn't say the price tag pays for updates, but for such a high price, expecting software updates isn't that big a thing. Do I expect updates for my $140 Xiaomi Redmi 3? Probably not, maybe a few bug fixes. The higher the price, the more "service" you can expect from them, and included in that umbrella are updates.
And don't forget that the Nexus line is an exception to the rule of software updates, well apart from HTC recently.

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The main features announced:
Operating System: Android 6.0
Display: 5.5 "qHD with 2560x1440 pixels resolution
RAM: 6GB
Internal memory: 128GB
System: MediaTek MT6797 SoC Helio X20
Fund Photo: 21 megapixel rear camera of 8 megapixels Front camera
Structure: Metal Body
Input: USB Type C
Housings: Hybrid dual sim or sim and further expansion memory
Connections: 4G-LTE, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, GPS
Furthermore this device is also characterized by the metal edge that will be of only 2 mm.
Simultaneously should quit his younger brother: Apollo Lite always equipped with SoC Helio X20 but with less features Memory: 4GB RAM, 32 GB ROM and 16-megapixel main camera. In addition, the display will be HD, the support will be for two or sim or single sim and micro SD.
While we still do not know the date of introduction of these new models, some speak of next May, Vernee has already announced that prices will be $ 399 for the Apollo and $ 200 for the lite model.
http://www.vernee.cc/blog/

399 for the main model eh? Seems like a pretty decent price to performance ratio from that. I wonder what the build quality is going to be like though, hmm...

Which Thread to maintain ?:
this one ot the other?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/gen.../vernee-apollo-leaks-worldwide-metal-t3361404
BTW Thanks to iacobus86 i add news on Apollo here:
I let you new information about this Apollo. It will take the Helio X25 CPU:
Vernee Apollo's upgraded to be powered by Helio X25 CPU, global first 3D video released !
As Vernee’s flagship, Vernee Apollo gains worldwide attention even though many other deca-core smartphones has been released recently.
Several days before, vernee has published Apollo’s main specifications and renderings. It’s without any doubt that the metal uni-body and high hardware configuration will be the 2 biggest selling points.
Moreover, vernee seems to be pretty good at making tipping points of its every product.
According to vernee’s latest news (https://www.facebook.com/972671569481015/videos/1009421932472645/ )
Vernee Apollo will carry Helio X25 chipset instead of previously said Helio X20 deca-core CPU.
Apollo will come into the market in July, and Apollo Lite in June. And Thor is in hot sale right now.
Vernee Apollo newest 3D rendering video:

6G? Are you kidding me? Just wait and see

399 is quite a decent price in comparison to other phones with similar specs

Any news on Apollo Lite?
Hopefully TWRP appears soon and I'll buy it!

balamu96m said:
Any news on Apollo Lite?
Hopefully TWRP appears soon and I'll buy it!
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Apollo Lite is available and also Twrp from jemmini is available. You can easily find on Vernee forum and needrom
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On September 20th, vernee held the new release conference of Mars in Shenzhen.
Vernee’s partner MTK attended the conference and released the details of its coming product - Helio X30.
According to MTK product manager, the Helio X30 will be the first CPU adopting 10nm technology.
It will still use the three cluster deca-core framework, namely 2*Cortex-A73 (2.8GHz) +4*Cortex-A53 (2.3GHz) +4* Cortex-A35 (2.0GHz).
It will also come with IMG [email protected] Compared with Helio X20, Helio X30’s performance will enhance by 43%, while the power consumption will be lowered by 53%.
Vernee also debut its all new flagship Apollo on the conference, which will carry Helio X25, 4GB RAM and 64GB ROM.
The 21MP camera is from SONY (IMX230). What’s more, Apollo sports a 2k display with 541 PPI, suitable for VR experience.
And word has that Apollo may come with a peripheral equipment which allows it to record 360°video.
https://i.imgsafe.org/bb83029cac.jpg[img]
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www.vernee.cc

Vernee Apollo: An All-metal Smartphone Engineered from More Than 300 Processes
Vernee Apollo, the first VR-branded MTK flagship, carries deca-core Helio X25 SoC which features up to 2.5GHz main frequency. And it comes with 4GB RAM, 64GB ROM, 8MP front-facing camera, 21MP rear camera and a 2K display. Besides these powerful specs, it also contains a VR box in the package.
Since it is called “Flagship”, the industrial design and technology behind it should be premium to match this name.
Apollo features a relatively rectangular shape. There is no other openings or button on the touch panel except for the receiver and camera. The black display shows great unity with the metal frame. Coupled with 2.5D glass, it delivers wonderful screen-off viewing effect.
Both the back cover and frame are treated with No. 220 fine Zircon and 360° blasting sand, which makes the phone feel smooth and comfortable. The back curve fits your palm pretty well. The simplistic antenna band decreases the band coverage by nearly 40% and overcomes the shortage of traditional three-part design. The metal ratio reaches up to 98%, making the phone elegant and strong-built.
Meanwhile, the screen is a little narrower than the frame, which is similar to the solution of OnePlus One. This design not only makes phone look slim, but also decreases the possibility of the screen contact with the ground in case of falling, which lowers the crack rate. What’s more, after CNC cutting process, the unique metal texture is better showcased and the handling experience is improved a lot.
Even in the detail, Apollo is well-designed. The whole body including the SIM card slot is firmly colored via 2 times of Anodizing process. And there is an anti-glare filter and CD pattern in the camera area. The dual tone flash, fingerprint sensor and volume keys are all processed via CNC cutting. From those details, we can see that Vernee designers attaches great importance to the appearance and industrial design of this model.
In fact it’s very hard to make a perfect product priced at 299USD range. How to balance the design and performance is a big question for most phone makers. However, Vernee seems to offer a great answer to this question, which is enough to show its honesty towards its users.
Now Vernee official holds a snap deal campaign which you can participate here:
http://ad.vernee.cc/2k-display-built-for-vr-deca-core-flagship/
https://www.facebook.com/verneeofficial/
Unboxing

Recived mine .
Deca core Helio X25 mt6797t
21mp camera
64 gb storage
4gb ram
2k display
System android 6.0
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