Hi,
So I recently read an article stating that Froyo might be coming to the EVO a little later than expected. Seeing as I'm already considering the Samsung Epic, this almost tipped me over the edge. So I decided to look into this "rooting" business everyone keeps talking about.
The HTC EVO is my first android phone... so sorry if I ask some dumb questions.
My biggest concern right now is... if I root my EVO, can I put Android 2.2 on it? One of the things I don't like about my EVO is its speed. It seems a little slow. Animation seems choppy. Games existing for both the EVO and iPod touch 2G run slower on the EVO... which baffles me.
I've read that one of the reasons Froyo might be delayed is the HTC Sense UI. I imagine that if I put Froyo on my EVO, it will lack the Sense UI. Now this is my first droid, so I don't know what a phone without Sense would look like. What would be missing?
Thanks in advance for anyone answering any of my questions
You can put froyo on the evo. Search the dev section. But for right now, things like the camera, 4g and possibly other thing are not working @ 100%
They did just release the kernel source so I am sure it will all be working soon.
Hello,
I was just wondering when 4g was going to be fixed for sense 2.0 Roms
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't 4g speed determined by the network. I don't think sense has anything to do with it. Sprint and Clearwire just need to step up their game. WHo knows when that will happen wipespread. Hopefully rumors of lightsquared come true.
No, I'm talking about sense 2.0 ROMS that have no 4g, when will it be fixed. Like this rom, it has no 4g because it is from a GSM Device:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=982211
gokuman56 said:
No, I'm talking about sense 2.0 ROMS that have no 4g, when will it be fixed. Like this rom, it has no 4g because it is from a GSM Device:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=982211
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oh...I knew that But I read somewhere that (maybe miui thread) that they are holding off until gingerbread in a few weeks to begin working on 4g. Although that aosp im sure the same applies to sense.
gokuman56 said:
Hello,
I was just wondering when 4g was going to be fixed for sense 2.0 Roms
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I haven't heard any new news on implementing 4g into Sense 2.0 roms. I keep checking every now and then, but no 4g yet. I'm sure its a difficult task, to get 4g to work on a port, that had no 4g to start with. As soon as it works, ill be all over the z roms.
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we will have gingersense roms soon, won't need to add it to a z/hd port
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we will have gingersense roms soon, won't need to add it to a z/hd port
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I can't wait for gingersense, and hope it is indeed soon! Can't imagine how tough that project must be..
when the E3D comes out there will be a port to the evo, gingersense plus 4g. its gonna be sick
Obviously the best option is for a Sense 2.0 ROM to be officially released for the Evo. We don't know if that will happen.
The next best option is the Evo 3D, as NewZJ mentioned. It will have 4G built in, though we don't know if it will "just work" or pose challenges. There could be some differences in chipsets or other differences between the devices that make porting more difficult, or in the worst case even impossible. But I would expect that they'll get it working.
Failing either of those, it's very challenging. Yes, CM got it, but it's based on open source code. They had to reverse engineer the 4G code, but once they did, they could just add it into CM at the source level. It'd be much more challenging to get it to work when we don't have all the source for a Sense ROM. Still, it could be possible.
One more thing..."fixed" isn't the right word. "Added" would be better. Fixed implies that the developers did something wrong in some way. They ported a ROM that simply doesn't have WiMax as a feature. It's not there, so they didn't "break" anything. Yes, compared to another Sense 1.0 ROM, it doesn't work, but it's not really the right way to look at it.
gokuman56 said:
Hello,
I was just wondering when 4g was going to be fixed for sense 2.0 Roms
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The Sense 2.0 roms were not made for devices with 4G capabilities. As my friend k2buckley stated, devs ported Sense 2.0 over to Sense 1.0 devices like our EVO 4G. With that in mind, 4G is not broke and thus, there is no need to "fix" anything. What they are trying to do is figure out a way to give Sense 2.0 the ability to use our device's 4G capabilities and that will take some time. Be patient, my friend. Many of the devs have other jobs, families and other commitments.
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Thanks guys....
That really helps
I'm seeing all these ROMS with sense 2.0 that lack 4G and what not... instead of adding 4G to the rom... wouldn't it be easier to try to take sense from a rom and put it on one that already has 4G??? If this questions is dumb don't get smart lol I'm still learning when it comes to this...
I'm not a dev but I'd like to believe it is more to it than that. It's hard enough taking a rom not designed for the EVO and making it work.
gingerbread source has been released for months. and we are just now seeing the first, buggy leak for the evo. it's freaking hard to incorperate sense into a rom. takes months for a team of professional developers to do it. it's not just installing an app.
ShawnGotBANDZ said:
I'm seeing all these ROMS with sense 2.0 that lack 4G and what not... instead of adding 4G to the rom... wouldn't it be easier to try to take sense from a rom and put it on one that already has 4G??? If this questions is dumb don't get smart lol I'm still learning when it comes to this...
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The problem with roms that have newly leaked gingerbread and sense 2.0 is that htc hasn't released source codes so the devs can't get 4G and in sone cases camera to work. Give them time this is the best group of devs in the world here at xda
Hey all you Devs out there. I would have posted in the Dev group but I don't have enough posts...yet.
I love the community here and ROM work for the 4G. You guys do great work. The work is so good I am afraid to move from my 4G to the Evo 3D. I've noticed with the newer ROMs I have a lot less internal space for installs and was thinking of trading that sucker in for the 3D. So my question is this:
Are many of you planning to Dev for the Evo 3D? Remain with the 4G? Or do both?
Thanks for the help all!
Heck most of the devs (I'm not one) are going to the evo 3d.
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I never really thought that we may be left in the dust by devs moving on to the the newer/better device
There is still some development going on for the good old HTC Hero, so there is hope some will stay with us and keep us going for another year or so
Some will stay, some will go, and some may get the 3D (or any other new device) and keep the Evo to play with. I think for most developers, they are working on whatever device they're using as their phone. Like the rest of us, some will decide the new generation is worth the upgrade, but I'm sure some won't.
Hello everyone.
Im a HTC Faithful and currently using an Evo 4g still. This phone is starting to show its age and im thinking of picking up a Epic Touch.
But looking at the dev section, it doesnt seem that there are that many roms in progress, let alone any updated ICS roms. There was even a nice leak of the SGS2 ICS Rom and that hasnt been worked on.
Im just wondering where all the ICS roms are. If i moved over, id prob want to stick to ICS.
Anyone move from Evo to Epic Touch and feel that there are enough roms? That its being supported as much as other HTC phones?
Any input?
Depends. The Stock Touchwiz Roms from samsung has plenty of development here. The AOSP side we just barely got a CM7/KANG that has quite a few bugs. For some those bugs arent a problem, but for me it didnt pass as a daily driver.
Also the whole Clockworkmod-fused-with-the-kernel/rom on this phone will give you a headache if this is your first time rooting a Samsung Phone.
It would be my first Samsung rooting. I have looked over the instructions and saw it's somewhat different from HTC style, but nothing I can't handle.
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I personally think samsung is easier when it comes to rooting, etc. I came from an evo 3d, and that was kind of a headache, especially themeing because of the .m10 files that it had. I kinda lean toward samsung though, if you cant tell by my sig.
No where
I see that no one has answered your main question...There are no ICS ROMs available as of right now...The deves are creating a base for it so when its possible to create one, they can implment it faster.
Uhhh. I guess the dev's are working on them.
I'd be stoked if you can work faster than they can, or pay them to work faster...
But it's not like changing a battery, there's a lot of work that goes into cooking a ROM.
They want to get CM7 complete and stable as a base to use for other Aosp roms. Samsung's official ICS for our device will have touchwiz and I think 95% of us don't want that. We need Aosp roms and kernels nailed down before we progress any further. Once the devs have a stable functional base to work from other doors will open. It takes time.
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I'm not knocking the devs or anything. I understand how ROMs work and have built my own in the past.
I guess I'm just surprised that such a popular device doesn't have any devs working on ics while ancient devices like the Evo and HD2 have multiple roms.
What matters the most to me are phones that have a large modder base. I semi expected to see this place packed with devs and other crazy stuff. Caught me off guard that it's quieter in here then in the Evo section.
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I personally think samsung is easier when it comes to rooting, etc. I came from an evo 3d, and that was kind of a headache, especially themeing because of the .m10 files that it had. I kinda lean toward samsung though, if you cant tell by my sig.
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thank you for the helpful post. I'm glad that someone felt the sense pain with me.
So... Until sprint comes out with a superphone, would you recommend just getting this phone on CL and moving from the Evo?
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rawdikrik said:
thank you for the helpful post. I'm glad that someone felt the sense pain with me.
So... Until sprint comes out with a superphone, would you recommend just getting this phone on CL and moving from the Evo?
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There may not be ICS but this is still a hell of a phone. In the market oyher than the Google phone just coming out this is the top of the line. I came from an Evo and I love it
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I think its Samsung vs HTC thing
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I'm not knocking the devs or anything. I understand how ROMs work and have built my own in the past.
I guess I'm just surprised that such a popular device doesn't have any devs working on ics while ancient devices like the Evo and HD2 have multiple roms.
What matters the most to me are phones that have a large modder base. I semi expected to see this place packed with devs and other crazy stuff. Caught me off guard that it's quieter in here then in the Evo section.
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I think its more because Samsung is not releasing the source code, once they put it out our esteemed devs will bring ICS very fast. HTC is very fast about everything giving out source, update etc. I am just waiting for HTC to come with some phone which is a little bit better in specs and I am getting that. Samsung phones just looks beatifull. I want a phone that works as good and is backed up by support from the Manufacturer.
The fact is the Evo is no longer that great of a phone. It's nowhere near the same league of phone that the GS2 is, ICS withstanding.
Honestly the new Touchwiz isn't that bad. The only people making a big fat fuss over it seem to be previous HTC owners. Let me tell you, sense sucks big fat donkey balls compared to Touchwiz. I was a Go Launcher devotee prior to owning the Epic Touch. Touchwiz has proved to be ok for me.
I would still be completely happy with my day one purchase of Epic Touch even if we don't end up getting ICS until mid next year, gingerbread on this thing still flies compared to every other phone out there.
Furthermore, the OG Epic had a slow but steady dev community. Half the roms I flashed on the evo ended up being kangs or just plain crappy old skins. There were a few really good ones, salvagemod was the best vanilla AOSP. But really, the OG Epic community put out some real quality stuff, albeit at a slower pace.
Honest answer: jump in, the water is fine. Yeah, ICS will be quite nice once we get it, but in the meantime, there isn't a better phone you can get on sprint than the Epic touch.
rawdikrik said:
thank you for the helpful post. I'm glad that someone felt the sense pain with me.
So... Until sprint comes out with a superphone, would you recommend just getting this phone on CL and moving from the Evo?
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Develepors here ARE working on ICS. Its all over these boards. There are A LOT of roms being produced. I'm not sure how you missed that... this IS a superphone. I'm not sure how you missed that either. This phone is MUCH simpler to work with than HTC brands. Since you've built roms before, open up a ET4G rom and compare it to the evo4g. You will see what I speak of...
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Develepors here ARE working on ICS. Its all over these boards. There are A LOT of roms being produced. I'm not sure how you missed that... this IS a superphone. I'm not sure how you missed that either. This phone is MUCH simpler to work with than HTC brands. Since you've built roms before, open up a ET4G rom and compare it to the evo4g. You will see what I speak of...
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Literally was writing this verbatim! LOL. I'm guessing OP posted without looking anywhere but the EVO forum and this Q and A section or the dozens of ICS threads would have reached out and smacked him in the eye.
Coming from HTC HeroC > LG Optimus S > HTC Evo 4G > HTC Evo 3D to this I was a bit shocked to not see as many devs picking the device up as well. I think everyone is missing what OP is saying and taking it as a bash, it is a surprise that more devs are not migrating towards the E4GT when this is obviously sprint best device to date. This device has the potential to be the next Evo 4G, development wise. It is crazy fast/smooth out of the box. It is also the easiest device I have rooted to date. When I left the Evo 3D for this near launch I did so for the screen size and the Exynos Processor, not for development. Even if no AOSP roms were to come to the device, one of the modified stock roms with Go Launcher on it is all I really need, though I want CM9, lol. That said we now have CM7 in the works, and CM9 will follow soon. Our AOSP devs are leaning more daily, and taking a lot of heat for what they are doing. Even if they are getting help from _______ (fill in blank), they are still taking all they are getting and putting it together for a awesome AOSP type rom. Who else is doing that for the device? Exactly!
But yet some still bash and call them Kang Bangers
I say go for it, find a deal on CL or FleaBay and jump. You will not be disappointed one bit
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The fact is the Evo is no longer that great of a phone. It's nowhere near the same league of phone that the GS2 is, ICS withstanding.
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I definitely agree with you in that the Evo is old news. Which is why I'm considering the upgrade to begin with. It is showing it's age more and more.
Thank you for your input.
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Coming from HTC HeroC > LG Optimus S > HTC Evo 4G > HTC Evo 3D to this I was a bit shocked to not see as many devs picking the device up as well. I think everyone is missing what OP is saying and taking it as a bash, it is a surprise that more devs are not migrating towards the E4GT when this is obviously sprint best device to date. This device has the potential to be the next Evo 4G, development wise. It is crazy fast/smooth out of the box. It is also the easiest device I have rooted to date. When I left the Evo 3D for this near launch I did so for the screen size and the Exynos Processor, not for development. Even if no AOSP roms were to come to the device, one of the modified stock roms with Go Launcher on it is all I really need, though I want CM9, lol. That said we now have CM7 in the works, and CM9 will follow soon. Our AOSP devs are leaning more daily, and taking a lot of heat for what they are doing. Even if they are getting help from _______ (fill in blank), they are still taking all they are getting and putting it together for a awesome AOSP type rom. Who else is doing that for the device? Exactly!
But yet some still bash and call them Kang Bangers
I say go for it, find a deal on CL or FleaBay and jump. You will not be disappointed one bit
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Considering how Nice and respectful I have been on this thread, I'm glad that you can understand EXACTLY where I'm coming from. Thank you for the information.
I'm not here to knock sgs2 nor am ragging on the hard working devs. I'm just staying a fact: there aren't very many different kinds of roms here.
And if you look in the Dev section, there are no ics roms to flash. No alphas. No betas. Nothing. I'm sure people are working on it... But there are none there RIGHT NOW.
Some of you need to chill out. I wasn't insulting you or your mom. I was asking a few questions and making an observation. Lighten up trolls.
I'll be picking up one of these this weekend, and aside from rooting and flashing calk's build (that man is amazing), I'm going to be teaching myself how Sammy does it's roms.
Does Sammy not release source code? Aren't they legally required to do this?
rawdikrik said:
Considering how Nice and respectful I have been on this thread, I'm glad that you can understand EXACTLY where I'm coming from. Thank you for the information.
I'm not here to knock sgs2 nor am ragging on the hard working devs. I'm just staying a fact: there aren't very many different kinds of roms here.
And if you look in the Dev section, there are no ics roms to flash. No alphas. No betas. Nothing. I'm sure people are working on it... But there are none there RIGHT NOW.
Some of you need to chill out. I wasn't insulting you or your mom. I was asking a few questions and making an observation. Lighten up trolls.
I'll be picking up one of these this weekend, and aside from rooting and flashing calk's build (that man is amazing), I'm going to be teaching myself how Sammy does it's roms.
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I really don't see anyone trolling you here. Looks like a pretty tame thread to me. My comment was probably the "harshest"if you could call it that. My main point was that you stated that no one was working on ICS and I was pointing out that it would be extremely difficult to miss the fact that several devs are in fact working on ICS, MIUI, CM7+9, AOSP and more TW custom ROM's.
I don't think any of us disagree that we wish there we more things going on, but I also think people forget that the EVO dev process was not overnight. Go back to the first EVO posts and you can see that it was several weeks from release before the customization started and a couple months before things really got going. And when the EVO came out, there was zero worthy competition. Pretty much everyone jumped on the EVO train.
I don't think that anyone here is upset by your post, but I do think it discounts the efforts that have been going on for well over a month to get ICS and the other goods to this device.
"There was even a nice leak of the SGS2 ICS Rom and that hasnt been worked on." I think that statement was the one that bothered me because it clearly showed that you were making assumptions without doing any research. And we have enough people in this forum doing plenty of that already. In fact, I have never seen more dev cooperation on any other device. Take a look at the ICS thread from the beginning and you'll see some amazing teamwork. Unfortunately derailed by demanding and entitled community members and leeches, but still alive and kicking in IRC and private spaces.
But I digress, the main point, you probably wouldn't be disappointed by picking up this phone. IMO, it is the best out right now and a quick look around will show you that the number of ROMs is about to hit a stride. The dates of release can show you that new work has just arrived and its beginning to look a lot like EVO-town in here.
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Coming from the Evo 4G and writing guides and helping people on those forums for a while, I bought an E4GT.
Compared to the Evo just development wise on XDA, there aren't as many ROMs or as much development going on.
But phone wise, its a great phone and a great upgrade from the Evo 4G. Personally I use Launcher Pro/ADW so slapping that over TouchWiz is great.
Rooting is simple. There are auto roots going on and not as much of a pain as the Evo 4G. Also flashing things like Radios, ROMs, etc are faster as well because of the difference in phone speed and boot speed.
As for ICS, there was something in the works, but I think there hasn't been any much development on it.