When I got my one x roughly two weeks ago, battery life wasn't really that good. 8 hours max with a couple of hours of screen time. But I always calibrate my battery. When I got it I charged it for 8 hours then drained it then did the same thing for a whole week just using the phone till the battery runs out and then charge it for 5 hours... Now battery life is very good, EASILY last me through a whole day with moderate to heavy usage. Lots of tapatalk 2, browsing, messaging and emails. I'm also running ARHD rom so that also help but nonetheless battery calibration is important so do it people
Never calibrated or whatever, have excellent (for me) battery life.
I thought we got over this myth.....
OP, do you have some supporting evidence, or even logic, that shows that doing exactly what you shouldn't do with a li-po battery has a positive effect?. Have you A /B tested it against another handset where you treated the li-po battery as recommended? I.E, avoiding fully discharging it and preferably charge from around 50%.
I get up to 4 hours screen time and 4-5 days standby having treated the battery this way with just a handful of total discharges (obviously it not always possible to avoid)
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OP, do you have some supporting evidence, or even logic, that shows that doing exactly what you shouldn't do with a li-po battery has a positive effect?. Have you A /B tested it against another handset where you treated the li-po battery as recommended? I.E, avoiding fully discharging it and preferably charge from around 50%.
I get up to 4 hours screen time and 4-5 days standby having treated the battery this way with just a handful of total discharges (obviously it not always possible to avoid)
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Do I have evidence? No I didn't capture any screentshots or anything. This is from my personal experience I'm not here to prove to you anything, just sharing how my battery life is improving cause of battery calibration. My phone no longer display for example 25% then soon as I use it jumps to 19% like before. It decreases gradually and I get excellent battery life. Same thing with my I pad when is discharge it completely then recharge it, I see better battery life and better battery % display accuracy.
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Do I have evidence? No I didn't capture any screentshots or anything. This is from my personal experience I'm not here to prove to you anything, just sharing how my battery life is improving cause of battery calibration. My phone no longer display for example 25% then soon as I use it jumps to 19% like before. It decreases gradually and I get excellent battery life. Same thing with my I pad when is discharge it completely then recharge it, I see better battery life and better battery % display accuracy.
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Li - po batteries do improve with the first few charge cycles but this has nothing to do with the fact you have run it flat. Doing so regularly will shorten the life of the battery. You stated that it had a positive effect but you have no comparison and it flys in the face of the laws of physics and chemistry. The point of my post was to make it clear to anyone who doesn't know better that it's bs and will be detrimental to battery life.
Though LiPo batteries don't like to be overly discharged, I'd stop short of saying that this is detrimental to your battery. LiPo batteries shouldn't be left at low voltage (dead) for long periods of time, but discharging it entirely and then recharging it is well within the designed specs of the battery. It's more the fact that they lose charge over time, and therefore leaving them dead which is considered their minimum safe voltage, will then allow them to drain further themselves over time to a point where it's detrimental. I suppose, though, a battery drained to 0% every single time is more likely to have a shorter life than a battery discharged only to 20% before recharging.
The Android system does calibrate the battery life, which is more of what you'd be doing, but you aren't going to get more battery life out of a battery by discharging it entirely, then charging it fully, it just doesn't work like that. LiPo batteries don't have issues with memory or needing to be discharged or charged to a certain point for optimum performance.
I 100% attribute bad battery life when you first get a phone to simply being you pulling it out and turning it on more than you normally would. It's nearly impossible, and damn near subconscious, but when you get a new toy, you're obviously going to pull it out to look at it, play with it, load every different app it has, etc, as well as doing the same when you show it to people. I think even if you think you didn't play with it a lot when you first got it, you likely still do. But that's just my opinion.
https://plus.google.com/u/0/105051985738280261832/posts/FV3LVtdVxPT
read that calibration not needed
AJerman said:
Though LiPo batteries don't like to be overly discharged, I'd stop short of saying that this is detrimental to your battery. LiPo batteries shouldn't be left at low voltage (dead) for long periods of time, but discharging it entirely and then recharging it is well within the designed specs of the battery. It's more the fact that they lose charge over time, and therefore leaving them dead which is considered their minimum safe voltage, will then allow them to drain further themselves over time to a point where it's detrimental. I suppose, though, a battery drained to 0% every single time is more likely to have a shorter life than a battery discharged only to 20% before recharging.
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The Android system does calibrate the battery life, which is more of what you'd be doing, but you aren't going to get more battery life out of a battery by discharging it entirely, then charging it fully, it just doesn't work like that. LiPo batteries don't have issues with memory or needing to be discharged or charged to a certain point for optimum performance.
I 100% attribute bad battery life when you first get a phone to simply being you pulling it out and turning it on more than you normally would. It's nearly impossible, and damn near subconscious, but when you get a new toy, you're obviously going to pull it out to look at it, play with it, load every different app it has, etc, as well as doing the same when you show it to people. I think even if you think you didn't play with it a lot when you first got it, you likely still do. But that's just my opinion.
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The dtremental effect will be minute, accepted, but there is certainly nothing to gain. That's what I wanted to make clear.
There is a lot of guesses portrayed as fact on here these days, as well as conclusions drawn from dubious experience with no control or comparisons. Just trying to combat this misinformation.
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The dtremental effect will be minute, accepted, but there is certainly nothing to gain. That's what I wanted to make clear.
There is a lot of guesses portrayed as fact on here these days, as well as conclusions drawn from dubious experience with no control or comparisons. Just trying to combat this misinformation.
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I know what you mean. I usually get yelled out when I try to do that and help, haha.
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Li - po batteries do improve with the first few charge cycles but this has nothing to do with the fact you have run it flat. Doing so regularly will shorten the life of the battery. You stated that it had a positive effect but you have no comparison and it flys in the face of the laws of physics and chemistry. The point of my post was to make it clear to anyone who doesn't know better that it's bs and will be detrimental to battery life.
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It flys in the face of the laws of physics??!!!??? What the hell are you talking about? I'm talking about my battery life getting better and better cause of draining it and recharging it not the gravity of the moon or Einstein theories, relax.
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The dtremental effect will be minute, accepted, but there is certainly nothing to gain. That's what I wanted to make clear.
There is a lot of guesses portrayed as fact on here these days, as well as conclusions drawn from dubious experience with no control or comparisons. Just trying to combat this misinformation.
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LMAO, get out of your basement.
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I know what you mean. I usually get yelled out when I try to do that and help, haha.
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Yep, I just don't care if the truth means a fan of cereal box science gets their knickers in a twist. More than half of what gets posted now is erroneous guess work, assumptive, misleading noise that serves no purpose other than to dilute the factual helpful discussion.
I've never been much good at biting my lip.
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Yep, I just don't care if the truth means a fan of cereal box science gets their knickers in a twist. More than half of what gets posted now is erroneous guess work, assumptive, misleading noise that serves no purpose other than to dilute the factual helpful discussion.
I've never been much good at biting my lip.
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That's fascinating..... I wonder where that battery calibration thing started in the first place, I guess someone made that up just to mess with people right?
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That's fascinating..... I wonder where that battery calibration thing started in the first place, I guess someone made that up just to mess with people right?
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For batteries that needed calibration? And as I said, a lot of people confuse calibrating the battery meter in the OS with calibrating the battery itself.
Read, learn: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
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For batteries that needed calibration?
Read, learn: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
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Read this, point 2.
http://osxreality.com/2009/07/18/4-tips-to-extend-your-lithium-battery-life/
To all of you who say that using up your battery shortens it's life, I have just one thing to say: the phone will never let you fully discharge the battery. Approx. 3.5V at which the phone turns off is far from the voltage of fully discharging (and potentially damaging) the battery.
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Read this, point 2.
http://osxreality.com/2009/07/18/4-tips-to-extend-your-lithium-battery-life/
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As I said, this has nothing to do with calibrating the battery, and everything to do with calibrating the battery meter in the OS, which, by the way, will never be off by HOURS, maybe by a couple of minutes. This only needs to be done once every however many cycles, that site says 30, but I wouldn't even bother doing it more than once every couple of months at the most as you likely won't see any real gain from doing so, and it IS theoretically bad to overly discharge your phone. Doing it once in a while won't damage anything, but doing it every cycle, or every day for a week or anything like that is excessive, unnecessary, and, as farnsbarns mentioned, can wear on your battery.
Battery meter calibration has been discussed on this message board countless times, and every time it's proven to be nearly pointless in real tests.
Edit: This is not to mention that I think a lot of batteries/phones have charging circuits built into them that allows them to properly check the battery level itself, meaning calibration of the OS isn't necessary. I could be wrong on this, but I'm pretty sure I've read about this before.
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As I said, this has nothing to do with calibrating the battery, and everything to do with calibrating the battery meter in the OS, which, by the way, will never be off by HOURS, maybe by a couple of minutes. This only needs to be done once every however many cycles, that site says 30, but I wouldn't even bother doing it more than once every couple of months at the most as you likely won't see any real gain from doing so, and it IS theoretically bad to overly discharge your phone. Doing it once in a while won't damage anything, but doing it every cycle, or every day for a week or anything like that is excessive, unnecessary, and, as farnsbarns mentioned, can wear on your battery.
Battery meter calibration has been discussed on this message board countless times, and every time it's proven to be nearly pointless in real tests.
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Nothing to do with battery calibration? Have you read the article? If you want accurates readings, you want your battery life to improve, you probably want to calibrate your battery. I've had the one x for almost two weeks and my phone doesn't jump from 50% to 42% randomly anymore cause I've calibrated the battery. If you want more reading : http://www.themobileindian.com/news/5547_How-to-calibrate-smartphone-battery
No one here said that it is something you need to do everyday, but when you get your phone I suggest doing it. Then once it's calibrated do it once a week or every other week.
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Edit: This is not to mention that I think a lot of batteries/phones have charging circuits built into them that allows them to properly check the battery level itself, meaning calibration of the OS isn't necessary. I could be wrong on this, but I'm pretty sure I've read about this before.
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they do have charging circuits I just read it, still you want accurate readings. Even my iPad sometimes displays wrong battery percentage when I don't let it discharge. Sometimes I charge it when it's at like 28% for example, let it fully charge but then it drains weirdly.
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Nothing to do with battery calibration? Have you read the article? If you want accurates readings, you want your battery life to improve, you probably want to calibrate your battery. I've had the one x for almost two weeks and my phone doesn't jump from 50% to 42% randomly anymore cause I've calibrated the battery. If you want more reading : http://www.themobileindian.com/news/5547_How-to-calibrate-smartphone-battery
No one here said that it is something you need to do everyday, but when you get your phone I suggest doing it. Then once it's calibrated do it once a week or every other week.
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You are failing to listen to what I'm saying. I've read the article, and many others like it. There is no such thing as calibrating Lithium batteries, and it's a common misconception, so I have full faith that you can find countless web pages telling you you can. It comes from the old mindset of batteries that did need certain charge cycles (full discharge, full charge, etc) to maintain life.
Again, the only thing you calibrate when you run the battery all the way down is the OS's battery meter. Android shuts itself down automatically when battery voltage hits a level that is considered empty or dead, regardless of what the battery meter says, so that calibration gives you no more life out of your battery at all.
However, I think we all run down our phones to the point where they auto shutdown more than frequently enough to consider the battery meter calibrated very close at any given time. Battery meter calibration is more an issue on systems that stay plugged in frequently and don't often get discharged, this is usually with laptops used as a desktop replacement, not phones.
We aren't trying to be mean or anything, just trying to squash the continued misconception that calibrating the battery is possible or has any effect.
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Could someone please develop a good app that would enable the battery to be drained as much as possible and to charge slower so we could all properly calibrate our batteries?
Do we really need this since it's a Li-ion battery? I know Ni-Mh and Ni-Cad has memory effect, but not on the Li-Ion battery.
I was just wondering the same thing today....simply because there seems to be several different methods to do it. Some say charge 8 hours, turn off, charge and hour, unplug, turn on charge 10 minutes. Then other methods say to do something different....be nice to have an app to walk you through different methods so you know step by step your doing it right
I calibrated mine last night and I'm going to get about 18 hours if not more from it....before yesterday I was getting 9.
The ONLY other different I did was make some profiles on CPU but I cant imagine it would make that much of a difference. I bet its a mix of both
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That is to funny I was just saying to my wife the other day that I should make one of these programs seeing that there are none already. I hate having to manually kill my battery every night before I charge it again.
Is it needed? It depends on your school of thought, some say yes, some say no. All I know is that on the few devices I have had in the past, if I constantly plug them in to "top them off" then the battery never ends up lasting very long after a few months of doing that. So I am a believer in killing the battery before charging on devices like these.
So the bottom line is if there is a desire for this, I may try to put an app together for it, as I know myself I am interested I just didn't think many others would be.
All the battery calibration tools, are basically deleting the file... right?
Is it that hard to boot into recovery and wipe battery stats?
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I think the second part has to do with hardware. The phones hardware just doesn't have trickle charge implemented and instead lets it drop back down to 90% then starts charging it again.
As for the second part, it came on our phones, even has a default widget. 4G
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That is to funny I was just saying to my wife the other day that I should make one of these programs seeing that there are none already. I hate having to manually kill my battery every night before I charge it again.
Is it needed? It depends on your school of thought, some say yes, some say no. All I know is that on the few devices I have had in the past, if I constantly plug them in to "top them off" then the battery never ends up lasting very long after a few months of doing that. So I am a believer in killing the battery before charging on devices like these.
So the bottom line is if there is a desire for this, I may try to put an app together for it, as I know myself I am interested I just didn't think many others would be.
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Um... actually that is (by most accounts) bad for Li-Ion. You want to AVOID completely draining them. All of this stuff is more art than science, but I have way more often heard that completely draining LI batteries is bad. What kills them is the number of cycles they have been through (like -25 +25, -25 +25, -50 +50 would be a full cycle).
You do however want to give them a full up down cycle once in a while (maybe every 1-3 months) for calibration.
Then again, as I said, it is more art than science, and I have heard your method as being better, but the not draining argument seems to be the vast majority.
I'll try to do a little look-see and update this or repost if I find any stronger evidence.
the thing about my phone and battery that ALWAYS baffled me was i would plug it in at night be it at 10% or 22 i would leave plugged in while slept i would wake up unplug and look at battery percentage and it would be like 95.....no other phone has even unplugged and dropped 5 percent by doing nothing????
turn your brightness to 100% and change it so that it never turns off; use wifi tether and play a 720p movie at the same time; oc your kernel to it's highest stable frequency. it'll drain pretty quickly.
I know I might get flamed for this....
Apple suggests, with their laptops, to once a month or so, run the battery completely down. Then let the battery cool down for a little bit. Then give it a full, uninterrupted, overnight charge. I forget if they said to repeat this a second time, then you're good.
This is all from memory of me reading this a couple years ago or so, so our might not be verbatim. Their laptops use lithium ion technology...
(and they used to blow up and melt down too!) Lol!
Wrong word choice and misspelling courtesy of swype.
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the thing about my phone and battery that ALWAYS baffled me was i would plug it in at night be it at 10% or 22 i would leave plugged in while slept i would wake up unplug and look at battery percentage and it would be like 95.....no other phone has even unplugged and dropped 5 percent by doing nothing????
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That's because the phone stops charging when it reaches 100%, and runs off of battery probably until it reaches in the low 90s, then charges again. You won't ever notice this because the light will always be green. However, you'll notice that unplugging it a few moments after it turns green, the battery will stay anywhere from 100%-98% for a while. At least on my phone it does.
Is there any way to make this program "auto run" during sleep so it can do everything it needs to do during the night charge (similar to quickpull for blackberry)
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I think the second part has to do with hardware. The phones hardware just doesn't have trickle charge implemented and instead lets it drop back down to 90% then starts charging it again.
As for the second part, it came on our phones, even has a default widget. 4G
Um... actually that is (by most accounts) bad for Li-Ion. You want to AVOID completely draining them. All of this stuff is more art than science, but I have way more often heard that completely draining LI batteries is bad. What kills them is the number of cycles they have been through (like -25 +25, -25 +25, -50 +50 would be a full cycle).
You do however want to give them a full up down cycle once in a while (maybe every 1-3 months) for calibration.
Then again, as I said, it is more art than science, and I have heard your method as being better, but the not draining argument seems to be the vast majority.
I'll try to do a little look-see and update this or repost if I find any stronger evidence.
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I am by no means an expert so if you find any reliable info on this and can link us to read, I would love to learn more. All I know is that it is commonly said to drain rechargeable batteries and that I have seen that topping them off very often does lead to battery life degradation.
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Is there any way to make this program "auto run" during sleep so it can do everything it needs to do during the night charge (similar to quickpull for blackberry)
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There is no need to fully drain the battery. Its purpose in calibration is to configure the software that is correlating voltage to percentage charged. That's all. Regarding the old Apple advice, that is doing the same thing. It will not affect the hardware.
Now, what WILL affect the hardware is charging itself. Every charge/discharge cycle will reduce the total capacity of the battery. This is why the EVO will not cycle on it's own until 10% discharged. It's improving the overall battery life by that restriction.
In short, you will save money overall by getting a higher capacity battery that you don't force to charge too often. Draining your battery does nothing but give you peace of mind and it only really needs recalibrating when it's total capacity has been reduced which isn't often. 3-6 months.
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I know I might get flamed for this....
Apple suggests, with their laptops, to once a month or so, run the battery completely down. Then let the battery cool down for a little bit. Then give it a full, uninterrupted, overnight charge. I forget if they said to repeat this a second time, then you're good.
This is all from memory of me reading this a couple years ago or so, so our might not be verbatim. Their laptops use lithium ion technology...
(and they used to blow up and melt down too!) Lol!
Wrong word choice and misspelling courtesy of swype.
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Yeah except that's not a good idea, it will kill the weak cells.
I understand. Still think it would be useful if it would do the "juice until LED changes" method while sleeping though
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I'm interested!
Btw - what are the charging calibrations people are using? Are you seeing one working better than another?
Im a noob, so take what I say worth a grain of salt but yesterday I did the standard method where you fully charge...turn off...plug back in until led changes green and do it a few times.
I went from 9 hours to 17 hours with no other changes except a few profiles in setCPU.
I did this just last night so my results are fresh.
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I calibrated mine last night and I'm going to get about 18 hours if not more from it....before yesterday I was getting 9.
The ONLY other different I did was make some profiles on CPU but I cant imagine it would make that much of a difference. I bet its a mix of both
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A few SetCPU profiles is all it takes to see a dramatic increase in battery life, especially while screen off. If you disable it I bet whatever gain you think was from 'calibrating' it disappears.
Too many people I’ve met have misconceptions, wrong understanding or simply no idea at all about how to maintain the batteries inside their new spanking new electronic gadgets. More often than not, it will be one of those nifty, super-slim lithium-ion variants. So I decided to write this little primer to help you, erm, I mean, your techno-phobic friends along.
Note that my recommendations are catered along the lines of practical convenience as well as pure battery maintenance facts alone. As with everything, there is often more than a way to skin a cat. I do try to explain my rationale behind my recommendations, so do try to read on before clobbering me on the head with your PhD in advanced materials science.
Tip #1: Lithium-ion batteries are limited by their life-spans
Found an e-bay offer for a lithium-ion battery pack for your ageing notebook or PDA at bargain prices? Or saw that battery pack for your gadget in its dusty sealed package at the corner store of the flea market? Before you jump and snap it up, be sure to first check the manufacturer date.
We all know that all batteries are limited by a finite number of charging “cycles”. However, it is a little publicized fact that the lifespan of lithium-ion batteries are also limited by their manufacture date.
Your lithium-ion battery starts dying the moment it leaves the factory
The fact is, your lithium-ion battery starts dying the moment it leaves the factory! Of course, the actual life-span of an unused lithium-ion battery can vary by a fair amount based on its internal charge as well as the external temperature. But suffice to say that you can expect to irreversibly lose 20% of a lithium-ion battery’s charge every year from its original date of manufacture.
PDA came with more than one spare battery? Take it out of its shrink-wrap and use it interchangeably – today. Thinking of buying a “spare” battery for use in future? Well, just save the money and buy it only when you are ready to use it.
Tip #2: Avoid allowing your device to discharge completely
Every wondered why your modern phone, PDA or iPod is able to cheerfully tell you that “Your battery is now exhausted” for several seconds on its brightly-lid LCD screen before switching off? The reason is simple; there is an artificial circuit that shuts off the device when the charge in the battery is too low.
This extraneous circuit is built to protect from the damage that could result if the charge of your lithium ion battery falls too low. If you still don’t get it: if the charge of your lithium ion battery falls too low, the battery can get irreversibly and permanently damaged. So since Lithium Ion has no “memory effect”, it is better to simply charge your portable device as and when you can or remember.
To set your mind at ease, a “charge cycle” means a single iteration of depleting followed by a re-charge until 100% of battery charge. If you consume 50% of your iPod’s battery on day 1, recharge to 100% at night, and do the same thing on day 2, then you would have just finished up one charge cycle of its battery life.
Constantly recharging a lithium ion battery does not shorten the battery life more than normal usage would
Hence constantly recharging a lithium ion battery does not shorten the battery life more than normal usage would. Avoid letting it sit on empty for too long; instead, keep it charged-up if you can.
Tip #3: Take the battery out of your notebook computer when connected to AC helps… not!
Well ok, actually, taking out the battery from your notebook computer might help, but the reason it does is not really what you think it is.
It is not because of over-charging as most people might believe. There are some really smart circuits monitoring your lithium ion battery (See reason #2 above), and these circuits also ensure that your precious lithium ion never gets overcharged.
However, if there is another killer of lithium ion batteries other than old-age, then it would be heat. Long term exposure of a lithium ion battery to temperatures higher than 40 degrees Celsius permanently reduces its total charge capacity by noticeable percentages chunks per year. Having said that, I would hazard that modern processor like the Centrino Duo runs quite coolly overall.
On the other hand, it is really painful to see someone plug their AC adapter to their laptop, carefully remove the battery and put it aside, then finally sit down and switch on their laptop. Then have someone trip over their AC adapter an hour into an unsaved document. Ouch.
Unless you are setting up the laptop at Wal-Mart or Carrefour to run practically 24/7 until its time to sell it off at “display unit” pricing, my recommendation would be to save yourself the trouble and just leave the battery in. Actually, I think the real motivation to take the battery out of shop display units is to prevent theft. Really, why make it so inconvenient for yourself when the battery will be literally unusable in a few years time.
Source: http://www.articlesbase.com/laptops...w-about-your-lithium-ion-battery-4346670.html
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Some also claimed that we should minimize the duration of the battery remain at high voltage (e.g. 4.2v / 100%). This is spoil the battery because the corrosion activities are relatively high when the battery is in high voltage/ full charge.
Put it short, after fully charge your battery, please use it ASAP. It won't give birth little baby battery if you leave it there with full charge
One way of Storing Battery for Long time
If you were to store your battery for a long time, discharge it to 40%. Keep it in a dry and cool place.
For me, my engineer friend teach me a way to keep battery, and i have tried this myself for last few years.
I put the battery into the industrial grade vacuum bag and vacuum it (almost no air in the package), then i store it in my refrigerator (around 0 -3 Celsius). I do this if i want to keep the battery there to sit few months.
NOTE: Make sure it is really a vacuum bag. Else the air in the bag will become moist and may spoil your battery. Careful
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brilliant post.
nice! Didnt know about the battery cycles!
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Cheers for the info. Knew a few things but still did Tip #3
thanks for tip #2.
have to change the habit.
thanx
everyday i learn something new. Brilliant post.
Thx for the lesson
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April 7th, 2007
Author: Paul Mah
This is a lot of very useful information. I can guarantee that I have always been misinformed on two out of three of these tips. Though really do hardly ever let my batteries discharge completely, and only remove my batter from my laptop when absolutely necessary. Still, nice to know so I know what not to do anymore!
Very good post and you are absolutely right about everything. Leaving the battery in a laptop for long periods of time with the computer being on generates an enormous amount of heat and kills cells within the battery. One thing I'd like to mention, however, is that you should always leave a lithium-ion based battery between 40-60% to have the longest battery life; 20-80% is a realistic range you should keep the battery in and is the next best thing. You never want to fully charge a battery, just like you should not let the battery die (cycling the battery would be something that should happen though if you are not getting the best of your battery life). Again, try not to have your battery passed 80% and not below 20%.
Another good tip is to not let your lithium-ion based devices (such as a GPS) in your car when it is hot out (or at all) because it will get hotter in your car than outside, your device's battery will be outside of its operating temperature and it will have cells that die out which will decrease the lifespan of your device's battery.
Reign255 said:
20-80% is a realistic range you should keep the battery in and is the next best thing. You never want to fully charge a battery, just like you should not let the battery die (cycling the battery would be something that should happen though if you are not getting the best of your battery life). Again, try not to have your battery passed 80% and not below 20%.
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Thanks for the sharing guy. That means u never charge ur phone until full? u plug off middle of charging (when it about to reach 80%)? This is true, but i hardly implement it because normally i leave it charged overnight. But the best time i can do is to minimize the time my battery will remain at high percentage (90 - 100%).
Good advice but it's hard to be diligent, and like most people my phone charges overnight.
nice info mang.
nice info. many people didnt know this
Xenova said:
Thanks for the sharing guy. That means u never charge ur phone until full? u plug off middle of charging (when it about to reach 80%)? This is true, but i hardly implement it because normally i leave it charged overnight. But the best time i can do is to minimize the time my battery will remain at high percentage (90 - 100%).
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That's correct; I TRY not to charge my phone passed 80%, but that's obviously hard to do when you need your battery to last all day with use anyway. I try not to ever charge it overnight either.
Excellent reading, thank you for your time and effort in posting this.
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Very good post and you are absolutely right about everything. Leaving the battery in a laptop for long periods of time with the computer being on generates an enormous amount of heat and kills cells within the battery. One thing I'd like to mention, however, is that you should always leave a lithium-ion based battery between 40-60% to have the longest battery life; 20-80% is a realistic range you should keep the battery in and is the next best thing. You never want to fully charge a battery, just like you should not let the battery die (cycling the battery would be something that should happen though if you are not getting the best of your battery life). Again, try not to have your battery passed 80% and not below 20%.
Another good tip is to not let your lithium-ion based devices (such as a GPS) in your car when it is hot out (or at all) because it will get hotter in your car than outside, your device's battery will be outside of its operating temperature and it will have cells that die out which will decrease the lifespan of your device's battery.
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good info. this is the first time i read this. where did you find this info? any reference links?
informative post & I assumed draining battery fully helped in longer battery life.
It actually seems like a rip-off afer reading thiss post XD
Thank you for the information.
everyday when I use the galaxy nexus my routine is.
before I sleep, I plug my phone to my phone charger and I pull it out after I wake up. so its basically charging for about 5-7 hours on average.
is this decreasing my battery life? because ever since I had the nexus, I did this and I have never had battery life compared to what people post on xda despite trying out roms/kernels.
so that was my first question.
my second question is, is flashing like getting a new device? after I flash, is the battery life suppose to be bad?
I constantly flash almost every other day and I'm not sure if this is the reason my battery life is so bad.
am I suppose to use my phone for couple weeks before I get good battery life?
btw. I have a cdma galaxy nexus .thanks
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1°) Is battery life reduced after long charging? This is a good question. I have no proof on that point but I think so. Continuing to keep current going through the battery once fully charged does not improve the battery capacity. The analysis I made on several smartphones shows that some of them stop the current while fully charged ( for example HTC touch Cruise) but most of them keep a charging current.
Samsung smartphones are difficult to analyse because they do not give any data on the current going through the battery
2°) Battery calibration will not improve the battery capacity: Once the battery capacity has been reduced, this is due to chemical changes in the battery, there are no way to repair it. What we could expect is to remove the battery shutdown artefact by adjusting internal parameters of the battery control circuit, so that the state of charge calculus will be more accurate again.
Some more details are given here: http://78michel.unblog.fr/htc-desire-battery-shutdown-analysis/ and in some other pages on this blog
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1°) Is battery life reduced after long charging? This is a good question. I have no proof on that point but I think so. Continuing to keep current going through the battery once fully charged does not improve the battery capacity. The analysis I made on several smartphones shows that some of them stop the current while fully charged ( for example HTC touch Cruise) but most of them keep a charging current.
Samsung smartphones are difficult to analyse because they do not give any data on the current going through the battery
2°) Battery calibration will not improve the battery capacity: Once the battery capacity has been reduced, this is due to chemical changes in the battery, there are no way to repair it. What we could expect is to remove the battery shutdown artefact by adjusting internal parameters of the battery control circuit, so that the state of charge calculus will be more accurate again.
Some more details are given here: http://78michel.unblog.fr/htc-desire-battery-shutdown-analysis/ and in some other pages on this blog
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thanks for the answer to questions1.
but I think I may have written question number 2 in a bad way which was not what I intended. I did not mean to ask if battery calibration increased battery life.
most people already know that it does not.
what I am asking is if battery life is suppose to be calibrated(?) right after you flash a new rom or kernel.
I asked this because I flash a lot and don't get good battery life. I'm not sure if its my device that is the problem or the constant flashing that causes this.
I have currently stopped flashing for 2 days now so I will report back if that was the problem.
anyways thank you for the reply
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To answer question 2, you do not need to calibrate the battery and flashing roms does not consider your battery bad. The community here does have different opinions on calibration but it wasn't too long ago I read an article where google devs came out and told everyone this isn't really needed.
I have had a droid incredible and now the gnex, and have flashed numerous roms. I have never calibrated my battery and typically experience pretty good battery life AFTER I have played with the phone and set it up and stopped turning on the screen ever 2 minutes
To answer question #1:
The battery is a Lithium Ion battery. Lithium Ion batteries like to be charged. You should keep them above 10% as often as possible and ideally plugged when ever you can. These types of batteries last longer with a constant charge than with out, the full "Drains" kill Lithium Ion batteries faster and should only be done when you are calibrating the device (on the first charge or two).
The confusion comes from the old rechargeable Nickel Cadmium batteries which lasted longer if you did a full charge and discharge as these had a "memory".
As far as question #2 goes that is personal preference. I have flashed my GNex 6 or so times now and have had no issues when I didn't re-calibrate it.
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To answer question #1:
The battery is a Lithium Ion battery. Lithium Ion batteries like to be charged. You should keep them above 10% as often as possible and ideally plugged when ever you can. These types of batteries last longer with a constant charge than with out, the full "Drains" kill Lithium Ion batteries faster and should only be done when you are calibrating the device (on the first charge or two).
The confusion comes from the old rechargeable Nickel Cadmium batteries which lasted longer if you did a full charge and discharge as these had a "memory".
As far as question #2 goes that is personal preference. I have flashed my GNex 6 or so times now and have had no issues when I didn't re-calibrate it.
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so are you saying that its good to keep my phone plugged in while I sleep?
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so are you saying that its good to keep my phone plugged in while I sleep?
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Yes. Because of the way it the chemical reaction works it is better to keep it charged (plugged in at night).
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Yes. Because of the way it the chemical reaction works it is better to keep it charged (plugged in at night).
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ok thanks for the explanation
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Li-ion batteries decreases in capacity over time NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO. (even if you don't use it)This is the down side in exchange for easy maintenance and high energy density.
In short, just use it normal, charge it when it gets low and stop worrying about the battery life.
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what I am asking is if battery life is suppose to be calibrated(?) right after you flash a new rom or kernel.
I asked this because I flash a lot and don't get good battery life. I'm not sure if its my device that is the problem or the constant flashing that causes this.
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I am not so clever with my English so I have not fully understood your 2nd question.
Flashing a new rom involve only the smartphone. Calibrating the battery is changing data stored inside the battery IC's memory.
These are two ''independant'' processes. The only relationship between them is that the some roms allows you to write in the battery memory and some others doesn't
What's average battery life you guys are getting with mod use ( variable term)?
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To answer question #1:
The battery is a Lithium Ion battery. Lithium Ion batteries like to be charged. You should keep them above 10% as often as possible and ideally plugged when ever you can. These types of batteries last longer with a constant charge than with out, the full "Drains" kill Lithium Ion batteries faster and should only be done when you are calibrating the device (on the first charge or two).
The confusion comes from the old rechargeable Nickel Cadmium batteries which lasted longer if you did a full charge and discharge as these had a "memory".
As far as question #2 goes that is personal preference. I have flashed my GNex 6 or so times now and have had no issues when I didn't re-calibrate it.
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remember 10% is not 10% displayed charge. 0% is about 25% as manufacturers take into consideration battery technologies when designing them. it is also quite dangerous to charge from 0-20% on a Lion battery as the chemical reaction has to be reactivated. and over charging can cause a fire.
All calibrating does is make the battery indicator more accurate, it doesn't increase the charge, the supplied chargers and phone tech will not allow overcharging, and the phone will not discharge a battery to below 25% as battery discharge below 25% will damage the cells.
if you are interested look into Lion charging in the RC world. we need balancing boards with controllers when charging multiple cells, and we have to put them in fire bag just in case. it will give you a greater understanding of how lion and charging works.
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What's average battery life you guys are getting with mod use ( variable term)?
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Mine is pretty bad. I max out at 10 hours I'm trying Apex rom now hoping it will be better. Something tells me I need an extended battery.
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I am not so clever with my English so I have not fully understood your 2nd question.
Flashing a new rom involve only the smartphone. Calibrating the battery is changing data stored inside the battery IC's memory.
These are two ''independant'' processes. The only relationship between them is that the some roms allows you to write in the battery memory and some others doesn't
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Exactly right. And our nexus does not give us any access to the chip inside the battery, so there is no need to do any type of calibration with this phone. No roms can change this either due to the max17040 fuel gauge chip inside our batteries.
bluemoon1221 said:
what I am asking is if battery life is suppose to be calibrated(?) right after you flash a new rom or kernel.
I asked this because I flash a lot and don't get good battery life. I'm not sure if its my device that is the problem or the constant flashing that causes this.
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You got confused here. You are not calibrating the battery but how the OS interprets the battery data. The battery itself DOESN'T get calibrated. (And you cannot break a battery by flashing ROMs)
There's really nothing much you can do about the capacity of the battery itself as a normal user once it's been made in the factory.
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What's average battery life you guys are getting with mod use ( variable term)?
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my battery seems to be only capable of 2 hours of screen time despite using 3g/wifi, no nfc, no bluetooth, no sync, etc.
but I can still live with it.
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diablous said:
remember 10% is not 10% displayed charge. 0% is about 25% as manufacturers take into consideration battery technologies when designing them. it is also quite dangerous to charge from 0-20% on a Lion battery as the chemical reaction has to be reactivated. and over charging can cause a fire.
All calibrating does is make the battery indicator more accurate, it doesn't increase the charge, the supplied chargers and phone tech will not allow overcharging, and the phone will not discharge a battery to below 25% as battery discharge below 25% will damage the cells.
if you are interested look into Lion charging in the RC world. we need balancing boards with controllers when charging multiple cells, and we have to put them in fire bag just in case. it will give you a greater understanding of how lion and charging works.
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Thanks for that! Didn't know it displayed it differently. I only know how the chemical reaction works and such.
NP fella, thing is Lion is new tech and people still see it by the standards of older battery tech so it's taken for granted that 0% is 0%, and 100% is 100%. where this wouldn't be possible as too many issues would crop up. in RC racing we basically learn it inside out, as Battery types are better for different things. Endurance racing needs Ni-Cad as i prefers a sustained drain and will slow the car near the end of the charge, but keep going with reduced acceleration, while Ni-MH batteries are good, as they have better acceleration due to there properties, but suffer from being fine and suddenly suffering poor acceleration, you have no warning like the last lap. While Li-on are brilliant for one and off acceleration like sprints, or twisty tracks, but run at max power right til the end then just stop dead.
I have been searching as to what is the proper way to cycle charge so I can get the best battery life after installing new kernel and ROM.
However I seem to find different answers
One to drain in completely others say don't?
What do I do?
Unless someone links you to a peer reviewed research paper, you will be reading random anecdotes.
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Unless someone links you to a peer reviewed research paper, you will be reading random anecdotes.
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I wouldn't consider the manufacturer's suggested charging cycles to be "random anecdotes" even if they're not published in a peer reviewed journal.
"Completely draining" should not be practiced on a regular basis with lithium ion. You can't (or shouldn't be able to) reach an actual complete drain before the phone shuts down. If you could (or ever do) the battery would become useless to you as there is a point of low discharge where lithium ions can no longer be charged by a standard charger.
And while most of the time the shut down of the phone and the subsequent charger connection happens before this point - there have been plenty of people who have let their phones go till they shut down then go to charge their battery only to find it will no longer charge.
So every time there is a drain of your battery to the point your phone shuts off you get real close to that point where you will no longer be able to charge that battery (unless your one of those techno chemist electrical engineer types with all the appropriate tools and materials handy).
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http://www.dansdata.com/gz011.htm
And i know i've read somewhere about someone suggesting that people go through this arduous process of draining the battery to a point, charging it fully, draining it completely, and charging it fully again (or something crazy like that... i don't remember exactly) to make the phone detect the full capacity of the battery and avoid any "memory effect", and i believe that whole idea was even shot down by someone at Google who works on the Android OS as being a complete crock.
I really don't think there is any PROCESS that can be done to give you the optimal battery life, aside from what can be done to prevent apps from draining the battery constantly. Some people recommend having a fully charged battery, or having the phone plugged in when you wipe the phone and install a new ROM... i've rarely done that. I've even wiped and installed roms at like 40% battery life... sometimes a bit lower. But in my experience, battery life has more to do with the ROM being used than what you did to try to MAKE the battery life better.
Running a touchwiz-modded ROM like DrewGaren's Serenity and stuff, i'd generally be lucky to get a full day of battery life seemingly no matter how much or how little i used the phone. I'm not what i'd consider a heavy user.... haven't really used my phone much all day today, though it did spend a good portion of the day on the charger. But i'm running the latest build of Task & Ktoonsez AOKP ROM, and it's been on battery for 9.75 hours and is still at 85%... but that's only with 20 minutes of screen time.
Anyway.... all i can say is from my own personal experience, but i don't think there is really any definitive process one can follow to improve battery life beyond what the software itself will do anyway.
Whether or not it has any effect on actual battery performance i would say that running a 'full' cycle or two of drain and charge for android to learn the battery capacity. Probably doesn't have much affect on a stock battery but when i purchased my 4400mah battery it took a few cycles to get an accurate reading from the charge meter. It would drain down to the warning in what it was expecting the stock 2100mah to be dying and ran FF3 for atleast 2 hours non stop on 1-5% until the battery actually gave out. On top of that it couln't decided how much it really wanted to say was remaining, it would jump up and down a percent or two, obviously confused of what to do. Whether or not its necessary to run it to this point is debatable, but with android or myself not knowing how much charge was actually left in the battery i did.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3846897#post3846897
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/partone.htm
How is everyone finding the battery life. Personally, I am finding it just plain horrible. I'm not sure what the issue is specifically but either something is draining it or it is just really that bad, in which case I will return it. I can't get a day's worth of moderate use out of it. It seems to be at most half of what I get from my note 10.1 and they aren't set up any differently. I've tried some of the basics like turning down the screen brightness (which annoys me), turning off the smart stay (but why have a feature you can't use), tweaking email checking settings, turning off samsung sync, turning off bluetooth (don't use it), and locations services. Is anyone else seeing this as an issue and does anyone have any additional suggestions for me to try?
Thanks in Advance
I get about two days between charges on mine. I get a decent amount of usage on a daily basis between email, Facebook, and candy crush. I even have Google Now running. How many charge cycles have you been through?
05GT said:
I get about two days between charges on mine. I get a decent amount of usage on a daily basis between email, Facebook, and candy crush. I even have Google Now running. How many charge cycles have you been through?
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If by charge cycles you mean fully discharging the phone until it shuts off, I haven't done that, but could give it a shot. It has gone down to 10% several times though.
No battery problems here. I wouldn't blame charge cycles, if they have any effect at all, it is minor. If I were you, I would do a factory reset, followed by an exchange if the reset doesn't fix it.
I have smart stay on , backlight on auto, and take no extra precautions for battery savings.
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How is everyone finding the battery life. Personally, I am finding it just plain horrible. I'm not sure what the issue is specifically but either something is draining it or it is just really that bad, in which case I will return it. I can't get a day's worth of moderate use out of it. It seems to be at most half of what I get from my note 10.1 and they aren't set up any differently. I've tried some of the basics like turning down the screen brightness (which annoys me), turning off the smart stay (but why have a feature you can't use), tweaking email checking settings, turning off samsung sync, turning off bluetooth (don't use it), and locations services. Is anyone else seeing this as an issue and does anyone have any additional suggestions for me to try?
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Can you please post some screen shots of your battery life at the end of a typical cycle? It will help with comparisons by giving us more details on your running apps, screen-on display times, etc. Also, what wakelocks do you have? Use BetterBatteryStats or Wakelock Detector from the Play store for that. This info might help us to identify just how much drain is related to rogue apps or the general battery life itself.
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Can you please post some screen shots of your battery life at the end of a typical cycle? It will help with comparisons by giving us more details on your running apps, screen-on display times, etc. Also, what wakelocks do you have? Use BetterBatteryStats or Wakelock Detector from the Play store for that. This info might help us to identify just how much drain is related to rogue apps or the general battery life itself.
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Thanks. Just downloaded BetterBatteryStatus. I'll let it run for a bit and see what comes up. I'll post what I came up with with screen shots from it. Thanks for pointing me in a direction.
Also, it'd help to know how many hours "just plain horrible" is.
I'm not delighted by the battery life I'm seeing, I'm finding I want to charge every night, and that I can easily consume 15% / hour or more even without the screen turned up past 20-25%. (watching video off the NAS in the house.)
Then again, this is the first LCD display I've been able to read in full sunlight, and that's remarkable to me. I often wind up with full sun in the morning when I get up, and am delighted that if I did charge overnight I can use the device even then.
The battery needs some initial "training".
Charge fully on the first and run it all the way down to nearly zero, and fully charge again.
DO NOT interrupt the initial charge.
Battery life is great here after 5 cycles running it to 1% and recharging full at first it was draining faster but now I can watch 4 hours of netflix and still have 25% left nice thing is that the battery charges superfast so no worries
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If by charge cycles you mean fully discharging the phone until it shuts off, I haven't done that, but could give it a shot. It has gone down to 10% several times though.
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10% is just fine, for purposes of calibrating the battery meter. Preferable actually. You shouldn't actually drain the device until shutdown. There are safeguards that are supposed to ensure the battery voltage does not drop too low (its not actually zero when the phone shuts down). However, in reality these safeguards are not always failsafe and I've seen plenty of cases on various Android devices where letting the battery drain to shutoff renders the battery unable to take a charge (below the minimum threshold voltage). Sometimes, letting the battery charge overnight will bring the battery back. Otherwise, you are pretty screwed, as the only remedy would be a battery meter with a boost function.
In any case, the battery meter is not very accurate, even under the best of circumstances, so letting it drain to 10% is plenty accurate enough. Then let it charge to 100%, and let it sit at full for a while, as fully saturating the battery takes extra time.
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That said, its hard to say what "moderate use" means. Everyone uses their devices differently. If you are playing intensive games, downloading files, heavy internet usage, it can drain the battery much faster than other activities. And the number of hours of screen-on time is key. So the idea of getting some battery stats and screenshots, is a good one.
I haven't been tracking screen-on time myself. But I find the battery to be decent. I use it a good amount in the evening (don't bring it to work) mostly for reading and web browsing. I have brightness on 40-50% usually (sometimes less, if the room is darker). The battery was just under 40% after 2 nights of use (maybe 40 hours after the last charge). Just guessing, but maybe 3 or 4 hours of screen on time?
Some online reviews mentioned the battery life is not as good as some other comparable devices (such as Nexus 7 and iPad Mini). Not surprising, since the Note 8 has a faster processor and higher resolution screen than either. And so far, battery life is not amazing, but seems comparable or better (better drain while idle) than my old HTC Flyer tablet. So for me, thats just fine.
I got about 4 hours screen-on time on my first battery cycle with heavy usage. Was playing games, movies, internet browsing, etc. My second and third cycles were better, giving me 5-6 hours screen-on time with moderate to heavy usage. Didn't really play any movies, but did play a fair amount of games and stuff.
On those later cycles my screen-on drain represented about 85% of my overall drain. This leads me to say that you can expect 4.5-6.5 hours of screen-on time with the Note 8, depending on usage. Keep in mind that I keep wifi always on, disabled bluetooth/auto-sync/smart stay, stopped some running apps like Maps and Factory Test, and kept brightness down to about 15% of the max setting.
Screen is definitely the big drain here, and these results lead me to believe that even with root and apps like Greenify I would not get much better results. Looks like any further battery savings will need to come from a custom kernel and custom rom (unless maybe you root and then underclock/undervolt using a third party app like Voltage Control or SetCpu). Anyone else have similar (or different ) results?
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The battery needs some initial "training".
Charge fully on the first and run it all the way down to nearly zero, and fully charge again.
DO NOT interrupt the initial charge.
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dumbest thing wrote in this thread probably. You do not need to train or do a full charge. How come people still believe that nonsense in 2013 ??
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dumbest thing wrote in this thread probably. You do not need to train or do a full charge. How come people still believe that nonsense in 2013 ??
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:what:...XDA is for fun and for sharing; not for putting others down. Please be a little more respectful towards forum users when you post in the future. If you disagree with something then just explain so we can all learn together.
I am assuming the Note 8 has a lithium based battery. I couldn't confirm it though. The below link has some tips for how to care for different type of batteries. Useful reading.
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/tablets/how-and-when-to-charge-your-tablet-battery/814
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Although the battery life is of concern to me, the fact it charges via a micro USB input rather than propriatry cable alieviates that worry (looking at you Apple). I dont think I go anywhere where there isnt a charger available thanks to the amount of devices that use them.
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dumbest thing wrote in this thread probably. You do not need to train or do a full charge. How come people still believe that nonsense in 2013 ??
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While his terminology might have been a bit clumsy, he is not completely incorrect.
The terminology of "training the battery" invokes the concepts of conditioning the old technology NiCad batteries to prevent memory effects, which are not a concern with Li ion batteries, which is what you seem to be referring to. Folks on XDA will often talk about conditioning or calibrating the battery, which can be a bit misleading (as often they have the behavior of the old NiCad batteries in mind when saying this).
However, it is true that the battery meter needs to be calibrated to be completely accurate. This calibration has no chemical effect on the battery itself (like it does with NiCad batteries) but simply effects how the current readings are displayed by the % battery meter on the device's screen. Without fully charging and draining the device, it doesn't have fully accurate "flags" associated the current to battery %.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/battery_calibration
Failure to calibrate the meter won't have a negative chemical effect, like failure to periodically condition a NiCad battery. And therefore it won't have an affect on the battery life. But properly calibrating will give you the most accurate % battery reading possible. The battery meter is not accurate out of the box, after a ROM flash, and an OTA may also reset the calibration.
As I've already mentioned in a previous response, I don't recommend draining the battery to shutoff. As doing so can lead to the battery no longer taking a charge, and the device no longer powering on. Its rare, but it does happen. Fully changing, then draining to 10% or so is enough. Full cycles are also not good for the long term life of the battery, although just doing it once every few months is still acceptable.
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I am assuming the Note 8 has a lithium based battery. I couldn't confirm it though. The below link has some tips for how to care for different type of batteries. Useful reading.
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/tablets/how-and-when-to-charge-your-tablet-battery/814
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Pretty good link, thanks. And reinforces what I just said above.
Most any smartphone or tablet made in the past several years uses a Li ion battery. This confirms it: http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_8_0_n5100-5252.php
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hertsjoatmon said:
Although the battery life is of concern to me, the fact it charges via a micro USB input rather than propriatry cable alieviates that worry (looking at you Apple). I dont think I go anywhere where there isnt a charger available thanks to the amount of devices that use them.
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The charger for the Note 8 is 2 Amps, while most MicroUSB chargers (at least for phones and other small devices) are 1 Amp. Although this varies, and there are other tablet chargers that are also 2 Amps; but these are far less common than phone charges that just about anyone with a phone that isn't Apple will have.
What this means is that the 1 Amp charger will charge the Note 8 very slowly. I tried mine on a 1 Amp charger just once so far. Left it on for maybe an hour, and the charge only increased by a few percent.
So yes, you can charge with most MicroUSB chargers in a pinch. But it will be slow.
hertsjoatmon said:
Although the battery life is of concern to me, the fact it charges via a micro USB input rather than propriatry cable alieviates that worry (looking at you Apple). I dont think I go anywhere where there isnt a charger available thanks to the amount of devices that use them.
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Don't get the physical plug of a charger confuse you - I believe this tablet needs a 2amp output from the charger, meaning just because your charger has the same end connection, it won't necessarily help you charge this battery. I've had my users come to me thinking their devices are defective because they somehow started charging their tablet with their Bluetooth headset charger.
Someone also mentioned the black wallpaper that might help with the battery consumption - I believe that is only helpful on AMOLED screens that Samsung has used on other devices.
I'm really still on the fence on keeping it after I bought this - I'm coming from a GT 7.7 which had excellent build quality,screen, and battery life. The loss of the AMOLED screen for both graphics and battery efficiency is bothering me. I put both up side by side and feel disappointed that Samsung couldn't just make a JB updated 7.7 with new CPU, 2GB RAM, and stylus with the same design and beautiful Super AMOLED Plus screen. It's not even the price - but just feeling like I'm getting a somewhat inferior device (in a few but important aspects) from the 7.7, when it's supposed to be an upgrade to the older device.
I've seen the news about an upgrade to the 7.7 possibly coming, but will it come with the stylus that is also important to me and the other software enhancements from the Note 8?
Bagbug said:
dumbest thing wrote in this thread probably. You do not need to train or do a full charge. How come people still believe that nonsense in 2013 ??
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Funny thing happened on mine.
The battery was VERY BAD the second day, but it could play live streaming for two hours when the battery was 1%. As soon as the tablet went off due to depleted battery, I charged it until it went all the way until the "full battery" came up.
After that, the battery is much better now, so don't say anything "dumb" or any nonsense because it works.
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Someone also mentioned the black wallpaper that might help with the battery consumption - I believe that is only helpful on AMOLED screens
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That is correct, having a black background does not effect battery life on LCD screens.
On AMOLED screens, black pixels are actually not emitting light (while pixels displaying other colors emit light), which is why a black background will cause less battery drain than other colors.
On an LCD, the liquid crystal layer that depicts the colors is not itself a source of light. Its lit from the back, and the light intensity of the backlight is the same regardless of what color is being displayed. How much light is blocked or let though by the liquid crystal layer varies depending on their alignment (what color is being displayed). But this doesn't affect how bright the backlight is, anymore than pulling a window blind makes the sun burn less hydrogen.
Speedy Gonzalez said:
Battery life is great here after 5 cycles running it to 1% and recharging full at first it was draining faster but now I can watch 4 hours of netflix and still have 25% left nice thing is that the battery charges superfast so no worries
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Only four hours? My Nexus 7 averages about 10.5 hours of Netflix with 10% left. I wonder how other note 8's compare?
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