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Here is the LG Prototype phone running Windows Phone 7 OS. Charlie Kindel Program Manager for Windows Phone 7 was kind enough to show us two Windows Phone 7 Phone (The Chocolate Bar & LG Windows Phone 7 Phone with full qwerty keyboard)..
Enjoy the video - http://www.machackpc.com/headline/lg-prototype-phone-running-windows-phone-7-video/
woah, woah, woah.... You got a hands on? Did you try it out yourself?
Very nice thanks!
good vid one thing that annoyed me was pinch to zoom. I have been spoiled by the hd2 reflowing text when the font is bigger...the model didn't do that.
So far, everything seemed consistent with what we have seen. I do wish those darn animations could be turned off to maintain speed of device and services I mean by god I don't care about animations. Something nice with a great ui that is fast is good enough for me...
great vid otherwise
*thinks* I hate typing on the hd2 though I want my net back ><
domineus said:
good vid one thing that annoyed me was pinch to zoom. I have been spoiled by the hd2 reflowing text when the font is bigger...the model didn't do that.
So far, everything seemed consistent with what we have seen. I do wish those darn animations could be turned off to maintain speed of device and services I mean by god I don't care about animations. Something nice with a great ui that is fast is good enough for me...
great vid otherwise
*thinks* I hate typing on the hd2 though I want my net back ><
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Reflow sucks ass IMO, especially in the browser. This time (on WP7) it's working like on the iPhone (no relfow but zoom stops aaccording to text on page).
is it me, or does that looked significantly faster than what they showed at mix? I still cringe when he says capacitive touch only though, I still don't get that requirement. If they want a multitouch device with 4 points of touch that's fine...but why limit it to capacitive, I like a real stylus.
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is it me, or does that looked significantly faster than what they showed at mix? I still cringe when he says capacitive touch only though, I still don't get that requirement. If they want a multitouch device with 4 points of touch that's fine...but why limit it to capacitive, I like a real stylus.
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I noticed the same thing. It does look like it's running a lot smoother then it was at MIX. I like resistive screens as well. I use spacetime graphic calc software are school in place of a TI-89 and I use my pencil to tap the numbers. I won't beable to do stuff like this anymore after this comes out.
i think it looks faster but actually isnt faster
it gives a spin to the tiles that are loaded and that gives the system extra time to load the stuff what comes after that:S
think there hiding there slowness with some graphic parts:-o
does main that videodrivers are correct otherwise you couldnt have those grapihcs
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i think it looks faster but actually isnt faster
it gives a spin to the tiles that are loaded and that gives the system extra time to load the stuff what comes after that:S
think there hiding there slowness with some graphic parts:-o
does main that videodrivers are correct otherwise you couldnt have those grapihcs
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well I mean the graphics in particular...it was choppy at mix if I remember it correctly. Scrolling up and down, clicking on a tile seemed to move choppy at 1st then speed up like it was loading something. This looks smooth and pleasing.
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I noticed the same thing. It does look like it's running a lot smoother then it was at MIX. I like resistive screens as well. I use spacetime graphic calc software are school in place of a TI-89 and I use my pencil to tap the numbers. I won't beable to do stuff like this anymore after this comes out.
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Sigh, I miss my ti-89 days. I should take up game engine programming again to flex some of my linear algebra skills. I'm not sure about the user experience without a stylus, but they have spacetime for the iphone. I'd be shocked if they didn't release a wp7 version. Although, looking at the website, there's no android version.
I currently have the HTC EVO....and love the phone with a passion, but I don't love how basic the UI/Animations are on the phone and screen changes. It is super fast, but like all phones...it has it's buggy moments too. With the EVO I can change my UI with "home" apps like Launcher Pro which are more pleasing on the eye then the standard sense it comes with....but still lacks the smoothness and super graceful animations that WP7 comes with. The flipping tiles are just an example of some of the animations I am talking about.
Now I know that WP7 has it's short comings...but so did Android at it's launch as well as IOS, but overall it's a solid phone and super fast as well. WP7 will grow as the months and years pass, just as android did with 1.5, 2.1 and 2.2
I had to sit and think if I could do with out some of the better features the EVO has over the HD7, which is the phone I am wanting to switch to.
1. Do without the front VGA camera on the EVO (yes)
2. Do without the "8" megapixel back camera and go down to an "5" (yes)
3. Do without changing how my screen looks every bloody week, lol (yes)
4. Do without the 100,000 apps that are currently in the Android Market place (yes - as I only use several)
I guess the only thing I will really miss is the good friends I have with Androids that I play "android" games with online like wordfeud.
Am I alone in coming from what I think/thought was the best thing that ever happed to smartphone? Are there more people like me, that are switching from Android to WP7....or am I crazy insane and should stick with what I have because it truly is the best of the best?
I just wish Android could be gorgeous and sexy in it's UI as WP7 is!
I moved from a HTC Legend to a HD7. The main thing i miss is the google integration. Mainly google talk & google latitude both of which I used everyday.
Hopefully they will become available for WP7 in time.
Apart from that i'm happy i made the move. The OS is very different from android and really challenges developers to create visually engaging apps. Already lots of apps are available that weren't at launch and as the USA launch approaches I reckon the number of apps will be 2x-3x in time for xmas easily.
I love the UI and it's simplicity and simple but great animations. It really is a solid OS and although on paper it doesnt stack up against android, on a day to day practical level its perfect.
well it is all really a personal preference. I have been using WM since 5.0 (motorola Q) and had the omnia 1 and now the omnia 2. I don't really like android so I will be going to WP7 once it hits Verizon. But obviously you like the droid, but have some reservations. The question is does the lack of FULL multi-tasking, no copy/paste (until Jan) and things of that nature bother you? Obviously you have thought about those other things, so think on these, if they bother you then stick with the DROID, if not give WP7 a shot. As to whether Android is the "best of the best" that is a matter of opinion, no matter what anyone here says, so ask yourself, do YOU think android is better?
Thanks bean_ian and Omega RA....I have thought about the "no" full multi tasking and "no" copy and paste (until jan), and decided I can totally live without those & the other minor shortcomings mentioned a slew of times through out the internet and review websites.
The EVO is superior to the HD7 in many ways....but HANDS DOWN WP7 kills Android in how beautiful, simple, and easy to use the UI is! To me that is what I am buying the phone for, as I mainly use it to surf the net (for info on the go)...HUGE twitter head here, and I use Facebook alot too.
I like pretty, I will not lie...lol. Both phones, the EVO & HD7 are gorgeous body wise, but I want the VERY same when I power it on too.
I went from blackberry with the 8700, to the iphone 2g, to the iphone 3g, to the nexus one, and now to the HD7.
I have experienced all the ball-games in town and I am excited to try out the rookie.
If I dislike it, I will just go back to Android with a Tegra 2 powered phone.
Yes, I've just bought my HD7 and I'm selling my Desire.
Will use it as a gap inbetween Android 2.2 and Android 3.0 whenever that decides to come out. Let's see if the HD7 is enough to persuade me to stay with WP7 instead of selling it in about 6 months for a Android 3.0 phone..
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Yes, I've just bought my HD7 and I'm selling my Desire.
Will use it as a gap inbetween Android 2.2 and Android 3.0 whenever that decides to come out. Let's see if the HD7 is enough to persuade me to stay with WP7 instead of selling it in about 6 months for a Android 3.0 phone..
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So you are definetly happy with it "hands down" over Android 2.2? I believe I will be...but like other peoples opinion having had android.
I had a Nexus One and before that a HTC Magic.
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It is super fast,
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but still lacks the smoothness and super graceful animations that WP7 comes with.
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Could you clarify? You seem to be contradicting yourself...?
Which animations are you on about?
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Could you clarify? You seem to be contradicting yourself...?
Which animations are you on about?
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He is refering to WP7 being fast and Android though good, not as fast.
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Could you clarify? You seem to be contradicting yourself...?
Which animations are you on about?
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The EVO is superfast, no doubt, 1Ghz Snap Dragon and all....but every phone regardless of "snapdragon" or not, has it's moments of buggyness.
NOT SAYING that WP7 or the HD7 will be bugless...it too has a super quick 1Ghz SnapDragon, and I'm sure will have it's glitches on the rare occasions. Point being (I guess) would be that the EVO/Android 2.2's speed is certainly "not" a factor or reason that I should to keep it, and not move to WP7.
Some animations include...the screen rotation, with android the screen just turns with no animation - BAM it's turned. With WP7 it turns fast but has a little animated wobble/bounce to it, as it settles into it's new position (very quick one so it's not obtrusive, but a nice touch) - small potatoes to most, but these little touches count to me.
Also the tiles flipping out when you touch a specific tile to "go into" that hub....the tiles fly away, and when coming back to the home screen the tiles flip back in a smooth beautiful way.
There are others, through out the phone that are seen in the slew of videos on the UI found on youtube.
There is just no real nice....smooth animation to Android. Some "home" replacements give it a try, like Launcher Pro....but it's still choppy at best.
Yea I'm migrating from android. Moto Cliq with 2.1 upgrade. Android is nice, but I sick of all the sluggishness.
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I went from blackberry with the 8700, to the iphone 2g, to the iphone 3g, to the nexus one, and now to the HD7.
I have experienced all the ball-games in town and I am excited to try out the rookie.
If I dislike it, I will just go back to Android with a Tegra 2 powered phone.
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"Android with a Tegra 2 powered phone"
I heard its going to kick everything butt out of the park. I have heard a plathora of new features that its going to come out with. I just hope to do release it to market FAST.
im planning on switching as well... android is great but its looking like the next windows mobile: clunky / inconsistant UI, no guidelines on hardware or updates making it go out of control with fragmentation (different processor arquitectures, speed, screen sizes, shapes, resolutions, etc.) makes it a mess to develop for without p!ssing a few people off because of incompatbility issues, OEM's still release 1. 6 devices today, and most are currently upgrading to 2.1 (wtf? ? isnt 2. 2 the current? ?) multiple app stores, really? poor quality apps when it comes to asthetics and function compared to iOS
AND THIS IS COMING FROM AND ANDROID USER AND LOVER **sorry but thats how i see it**
WP7 really interests me since microsoft will keep tight control on hardware and software thus giving us apple-like experience, and android-like hardware choice. i also loved how they provided all drivers for the snapdragon chip as a supported processor making it use its full potential since its tighter integrated with the OS unlike android where its like a one-OS-fits-all where the lack of optimization can make the strongest cpu fall short of the snapdragon (just like apple makes theirs so silky smooth with slower cpu's than ours) xbox live integration, and great developer interest also makes me sure that it will be a success. just needs time to grow but im willing to evolve with them...
im switching but not 100% since im stock with sprint(which i can cancel) so im on a nexus one on tmo running cyano nightly 226 and ive never seen android running this fast before, cyano really killed with 226 ..anyway im not a big fan of big phones like evo(which i own lol) and tmo is offering the hd7 same size...so i might give att a try with the surround or samsung
Really glad to hear other peoples reasons for leaving the all mighty Android and switching to WP7....definetly enlightening!
I started this post because I felt in my head that I might be trying to talk myself out of switching, with all the MS haters pointing out all the minor lacking issues WP7 has...albeit, it'll all be fixed in time.
I truly want a beautiful experience when I use my phone, not just a beautiful phone being pulled out of my pocket.
I am 100% certain that I will be switching carriers and phones on November 8th when T-Mobile gets the HD7...and selling my HTC EVO. "IF" and when Android comes out with a UI that has great animation and is not so basic looking, I might be back!
I am trying to fully understand this:
A major reason for you liking WP7 is the transitions?
To each his/her own but if you got sick of changing your UI screens I believe you will eventually get really sick of the screen transitions. That was the first thing when I saw the demo that I was praying that I could turn off when I got sick of it.
I am having a hard time accepting all of the initial shortcomings the more I am seeing the end result of these shortcomings. I love the hub style screens but I am not sure if it is enough.
I may end up choosing an Android phone. Maybe the rugged Defy.
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I am trying to fully understand this:
A major reason for you liking WP7 is the transitions?
To each his/her own but if you got sick of changing your UI screens I believe you will eventually get really sick of the screen transitions. That was the first thing when I saw the demo that I was praying that I could turn off when I got sick of it.
I am having a hard time accepting all of the initial shortcomings the more I am seeing the end result of these shortcomings. I love the hub style screens but I am not sure if it is enough.
I may end up choosing an Android phone. Maybe the rugged Defy.
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Yes, the major reason I like WP7 over Android is the Animated transitions "throughout" the phone (not just the screen transistions) and the SMOOTH operations and function of the apps! That is just the major reason....the hubbs that have several apps combined into them is another reason, saving me time.
The functionality/smoothness of the Android UI is far from up to par with iOS and WP7...although Android crushes both is other areas, like the ability to change something. Although I like the ability to change how my home screen looks from day to day or hour to hour...at the end of the week, I'm still longing for a beautiful experience when I USE my phone, or do what I need to do on my phones OS.
krjcook said:
Yea I'm migrating from android. Moto Cliq with 2.1 upgrade. Android is nice, but I sick of all the sluggishness.
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Are you blaming Android for the sluggishness or the fact that the Cliq has a ~530MHz processor in a 1GHz world?
I'm switching to Linux because Windows 7 is just too sluggish on my PIII 900MHz.
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Personally, I won't be making the switch, but that's neither here nor there.
Most every carrier will give you a return period. It's not like you actually risk losing anything (as long as you take care of the phone). Give it a try for your two weeks (or whatever your carrier allows) and see how you like it.
Two weeks is long enough to determine if you love it or if you find the transitions to be annoying as hell when being used.
At about a week and a half, I would try going back to the Android phone for a day or two. If you're annoyed as hell by the Android phone, then keep the WP7.
If you find yourself relieved to be back with the Android phone, keep it.
If it's about even, then think to the future. Is the Android phone likely to get an upgrade (either officially or through a 3rd party ROM)? Is the WP7 likely to continue to get upgraded?
Make a pro/con for each phone & decide which one you'll ultimately be happier with.
For me, the cons for WP7 are too many, but for YOU, it might be reversed.
Ultimately, what fits you better is what you want to determine & the best way to figure that out is to compare/contrast through actual use.
I've seen a LOT of phones demo'd that have super smooth animations, but in actual use, they suck horribly once things are installed on teh phone. Since the WP7 can't multitask, this isn't likely to be such a big deal, but it might be. Actual use is really the only way to know.
I wonder how many tiles you can get on there before it gets ridiculous
Its simplicity is incredible. And the response time is great. Back to the basics and I'm loving my new HTC Surround.
I'm really diggin the simple look. I just came from Android and its homescreen(s) were kinda cool but just not for me. I only used one screen with no widgets and like 4 apps on the homescreen. It was so laggy when swiping from screen to screen I just didnt want to use that many.
I like how on WP7 when you swipe through stuff it feels like you are actually moving it. It's browser is also insane. I'm loving WP7.
you know you can theme Android and iOS to look and act just like Metro right?
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you know you can theme Android and iOS to look and act just like Metro right?
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No you cant. The Metro themes are totally crap. People Hub, Pictures hub, Music/Video hub all sections in WP7 are part not only the Live Tiles. There is no good metro theme out there.
I find the UI to elegant and classy. Simple yet stylish. Highly responsive and smooth. It's unique in this world of cookie-cutter smartphone UIs.
I think it looks better than iOS, but worse than WebOS. WebOS just looks really good, IMO.
Can't wait til HP releases a phone with a 4.0" screen (SLCD or AMOLED). I'm definitely going to get it. That platform is more finished and if they update it at a decent pace I have high hopes for it.
As long as they move away from the whole "Palm Profile" bullcrap.
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Yeah but maybe we can cook up a WP7 based Android ROM then?
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I think it looks better than iOS, but worse than WebOS. WebOS just looks really good, IMO.
Can't wait til HP releases a phone with a 4.0" screen (SLCD or AMOLED). I'm definitely going to get it. That platform is more finished and if they update it at a decent pace I have high hopes for it.
As long as they move away from the whole "Palm Profile" bullcrap.
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I think the entire internet world is screaming for this(not literally) . The pre is just too small.
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I think it looks better than iOS, but worse than WebOS. WebOS just looks really good, IMO.
Can't wait til HP releases a phone with a 4.0" screen (SLCD or AMOLED). I'm definitely going to get it. That platform is more finished and if they update it at a decent pace I have high hopes for it.
As long as they move away from the whole "Palm Profile" bullcrap.
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Sadly, I believe the Pre3 is 3.5" screen(correct me if I'm wrong) I don't think I can settle for anything under 4"
What I like about WP7 is the simple yet fast In-&-Out factor.
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Sadly, I believe the Pre3 is 3.5" screen(correct me if I'm wrong) I don't think I can settle for anything under 4"
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Sadly you are correct. Here are the Pre 3 specs:
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/HP-Pre-3-GSM_id5200
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You can theme iOS and Android to have a Tiles look but that is pretty much it. Correct me if I am wrong but in iOS the tiles are not live, and I think neither are the Android ones. Also missing are the animated transitions, and the hubs.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
What makes WP7 UI good is a result of several factors:
1. It is new and different.
2. It has a minimalist design which is popular nowadays.
3. It is efficient with space and effective in delivery of information.
I suspect that this is where Apple needs to take iOS 5. And funny enough, clean is what best describes Apple products, so to see Windows have the cleanest OS is surprising. Metro UI really works and works well without visual overload.
Is it the best? Depends on who you ask. But it is different and works well. I think it is far better than the rest.
there are iOS themes where the tiles are indeed live and the theme is still evolving every day, it's not 100% like WP7 but better IMO because you can actually change aspects that you can't change on WP7, you can also theme it like Android with actual Sense weather animations and other cool things like video wallpapers, any video you want, you can actually make your own, or like the Nexus LWP (although touching the screen doesn't do anything sadly).
iOS is very much able to be themed and IMO comparing the UI of a system that is admittedly smooth and sleek but unchangeable to 2 others that can be themes almost exactly like it and about a thousand other ways makes them look better.
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there are iOS themes where the tiles are indeed live and the theme is still evolving every day, it's not 100% like WP7 but better IMO because you can actually change aspects that you can't change on WP7, you can also theme it like Android with actual Sense weather animations and other cool things like video wallpapers, any video you want, you can actually make your own, or like the Nexus LWP (although touching the screen doesn't do anything sadly).
iOS is very much able to be themed and IMO comparing the UI of a system that is admittedly smooth and sleek but unchangeable to 2 others that can be themes almost exactly like it and about a thousand other ways makes them look better.
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Androids rendition, despite my respect for the developers, is not a very thorough attempt. The animations are bad, there are no live tiles, it's laggy (of course that's all UIs on android), most of the apps are just terrible as icons(not that that's their fault either, the apps weren't made to be put on a tile) and once you break the skin it's just android... iOS did a fairly good job of it, it's smooth, it's pretty, but every time I see one of the basic iOS menu pop-ups I die a little inside and as good as iOS can be I just wish they'd put it out on a phone that's big enough for those of us with big hands. WM did an awesome job recreating it though, you can even get a few of the hubs to come up though none of the integration is really there.
Basically it's this
The other Oses look like plasticky candy. They remind me of Linux on the desktop.
Windows uses a phrase "authentically digital".. it means the content is actually just digital content and they don't try to make it look like wood or glass or chrome or other real-world objects like that. Typography is what's used to communicate concepts and tasks, and sets the UI apart.
The result?: Everything feels breezy, light, airy, clean. Apps can be very very slick (colorful like Flickr or Cocktail Flow or DailyMotion). They can also be very basic, nothing but text on a blank background, and yet somehow still be beautiful (I think Weatherbug's simple UI looks better than Weather Channel with it's backgrounds and gradients). This is good for developers.
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there are iOS themes where the tiles are indeed live and the theme is still evolving every day, it's not 100% like WP7 but better IMO because you can actually change aspects that you can't change on WP7, you can also theme it like Android with actual Sense weather animations and other cool things like video wallpapers, any video you want, you can actually make your own, or like the Nexus LWP (although touching the screen doesn't do anything sadly).
iOS is very much able to be themed and IMO comparing the UI of a system that is admittedly smooth and sleek but unchangeable to 2 others that can be themes almost exactly like it and about a thousand other ways makes them look better.
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I stand corrected then on the Live Tiles with iOS. They also have animated transitions? They definately do not have hubs though.
Live Tiles are nice, but only a part of the experience. I would imagine with enough effort you could get relatively close but not identical.
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I stand corrected then on the Live Tiles with iOS. They also have animated transitions? They definately do not have hubs though.
Live Tiles are nice, but only a part of the experience. I would imagine with enough effort you could get relatively close but not identical.
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true enough, but the point is the versatility of iOS and Android in comparison with WP7, you can't 100% emulate, but to come that close and then have 1000 other options when you get bored of Metro in two weeks.
I think the fact that the emphasis is on how "smooth" the UI is (and it is smooth) is kind of like saying
"well this car looks just a little like yours but not quite 100% the same, but hey it flies and makes tacos and time travels while yours only drives in one direction on the street"
Metro to me looks like a Tetris game for the visually impared.
But maybe that's just me.
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lol...but who has the time, energy, and desire to do all the jailbreaking, downloading, and updating that would require? The Metro UI is by far my favorite, and all I had to do to get the best, original version of it was to open the box of my WP7 and turn it on. I'm pretty sure most consumers are going to buy a phone based on what it IS rather than what it could be.
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"well this car looks just a little like yours but not quite 100% the same, but hey it flies and makes tacos and time travels while yours only drives in one direction on the street"
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What a brilliant point. If I'm driving a car, I only want it to drive in one direction at a time on a street. If it does all that other stuff, it isn't for the majority of folks looking to buy cars.
If this theme:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11150134&postcount=1
would be released, it´s the perfect harmony between the simple stuff of the tiles and an elegant look with a little individuality.
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Androids rendition, despite my respect for the developers, is not a very thorough attempt. The animations are bad, there are no live tiles, it's laggy (of course that's all UIs on android), most of the apps are just terrible as icons(not that that's their fault either, the apps weren't made to be put on a tile) and once you break the skin it's just android... iOS did a fairly good job of it, it's smooth, it's pretty, but every time I see one of the basic iOS menu pop-ups I die a little inside and as good as iOS can be I just wish they'd put it out on a phone that's big enough for those of us with big hands. WM did an awesome job recreating it though, you can even get a few of the hubs to come up though none of the integration is really there.
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That's cause the developers are bad. But if you don't think a company like SPB Mobile can't replicate Metro on Android I dunno what to say.
There would probably be patent issues with that, though. Microsoft has Patents on elements of the Metro UI, so those rip-offs may not even be legal...
What feature are you looking forward to the most? I've played around with the devs super rom and I've got to say it feels on like its on a whole other level than gingerbread. I'm looking forward to see how the face unlock goes.
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What feature are you looking forward to the most? I've played around with the devs super rom and I've got to say it feels on like its on a whole other level than gingerbread. I'm looking forward to see how the face unlock goes.
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I'm honestly excited obviously for vanilla ICS, but what I'm really excited about is what HTC is gonna do with sense 4.0 (as stated in another thread). They haven't failed to amaze yet (at least those who are sense fans) and I can't see how they'd let anyone down on the new functionalities of ICS.
I'm interested in sense ICS as well. Some sense Roms are a hit or miss to me so I'm excited to see how it would turn out.
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What feature are you looking forward to the most? I've played around with the devs super rom and I've got to say it feels on like its on a whole other level than gingerbread. I'm looking forward to see how the face unlock goes.
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I can't wait for asop vanilla ICS. I've been trying out the early dev mods and ICS is really impressive.
I'm incredibly excited about it. I really love the changes to the notification bar and the multi task app manager.
Im excited to brag about running ics at work... All the bigshots with "better" phones than me will turn green with envy!
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Im excited to brag about running ics at work... All the bigshots with "better" phones than me will turn green with envy!
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This phone is pretty good compared to top phones out now though.
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This phone is pretty good compared to top phones out now though.
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I agree... It's gonna be better with some ice loving...
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I agree... It's gonna be better with some ice loving...
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This runs smoother than my friends Droid 3. ICS is only going to make it better.
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Plus... It doesnt look like we are talking on a calculator... The size is very managable.
Movie studio is going to be awesome. I hate to say this but the iPhone is leaps and bounds ahead of android when it comes to video. This will level the playing field for sure.
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3UR0TR45H said:
Movie studio is going to be awesome. I hate to say this but the iPhone is leaps and bounds ahead of android when it comes to video. This will level the playing field for sure.
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I'm excited about this too. Once I saw the demo for it I went nuts.
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3UR0TR45H said:
Movie studio is going to be awesome. I hate to say this but the iPhone is leaps and bounds ahead of android when it comes to video. This will level the playing field for sure.
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What's movie studio really going to do? I would personally never use my smartphone for editing more than a pic in photoshop express, much less try to touch up video.
For multi-format playback, I use MX Player with the Arm v7 codec for hardware acceleration. There is nothing that I've found that it can't play.
vrgelinas said:
What's movie studio really going to do? I would personally never use my smartphone for editing more than a pic in photoshop express, much less try to touch up video.
For multi-format playback, I use MX Player with the Arm v7 codec for hardware acceleration. There is nothing that I've found that it can't play.
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It's not so much about that as being able to touch up videos on the go. I consider imovie to be one of the top features on the iPhone and this will satisfy that need. It will basically turn the camcorder from a fun little gadget to a usable and valuable tool!
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Am I the only one who's really not terribly impressed with ICS? Actually pretty unimpressed overall? Of course, I want to clarify that by saying that I'm referring to the actual OS, not the current port to our phone. The guys working on that have done am amazing job.
But for the actual OS, I'm just not seeing what's so groundbreaking. I think the only feature I see that's actually nice is the auto-creation of folders. Aside from that, everything else is either ho-hum, or catch-up features.
-Scrollable and realizable widgets have existed on alternate launchers forever now. Nice to finally have them natively, but not terribly exciting.
-New app drawer layout is OK, but again, nothing groundbreaking. Moving all the widgets inside the drawer seems more inefficient than long-pressing on a home screen, especially if you have to scroll through several pages of widgets to locate your desired one.
-Face Unlock is a nice trick, but again, inefficient (or downright useless) for those who don't secure their phones in the first place. A quick flick of the thumb is hard to top as far as speed and ease go.
-NFC? Well, our phone doesn't have it to begin with, but even if it did, it's usefulness is pretty limited for the foreseeable future. How many times do you really transfer files between Android phones?
-The new UI, personally, I find pretty ugly. It's almost a total lack of any style, it's all lines and solid boxes. I suppose that's a style in itself, but I can't say it's a terribly pleasing one.
-The new search widget is now plastered on the top of every home screen, can only be removed by disabling the Google Search app, and upon doing so, you still can't reclaim the space used by the widget for icons or other widgets. I barely search on my phone enough to justify the current widget being placed on a single home screen, so to have one permanently on every screen is a PITA.
-The new camera features are nice, but at the end of the day, it's a camera phone. If I'm looking to take real photos, I'll use a real camera.
I don't know, the more useable the devs get their port, the more I've had a chance to play with ICS, and the more I'm convinced that, far from eliminating the need for carrier overlays, in my opinion, ICS actually makes them more valuable and necessary than they are today.
I honestly hate to say this, because I had been very much looking forward to it, but to me, the new UI just feels extremely unfinished and unimaginative, and the OS overall doesn't seem to break any new ground whatsoever.
I can't see HTC being able to do much with the ICS. Their brand recognition seems to rely on that huge weather clock and that general layout of sense that they have been using on every phone now. I can't see a lot of these "signature" stuff translating well into ICS, since most of it relies heavily on the gingerbread rom, which ICS seems to diverge quite a lot from.
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I can't see HTC being able to do much with the ICS. Their brand recognition seems to rely on that huge weather clock and that general layout of sense that they have been using on every phone now. I can't see a lot of these "signature" stuff translating well into ICS, since most of it relies heavily on the gingerbread rom, which ICS seems to diverge quite a lot from.
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Not sure I follow you. They can still build all their widgets for ICS, they can still replace the launcher with a Rosie'd version - a big phone button at the bottom with web and customize buttons on either side, and they can still skin the overall UI - the notification bar, icons, etc.
I just don't see how ICS, in any way, eliminates or negates the value manufacturers see in their overlays. And as the new UI aesthetics is unarguably more "love it or hate it" than previous versions of Android, I actually see overlays being even more attractive to the average consumer who might be comparing an Android phone to an iPhone.
ChrisDDD said:
Am I the only one who's really not terribly impressed with ICS? Actually pretty unimpressed overall? Of course, I want to clarify that by saying that I'm referring to the actual OS, not the current port to our phone. The guys working on that have done am amazing job.
But for the actual OS, I'm just not seeing what's so groundbreaking. I think the only feature I see that's actually nice is the auto-creation of folders. Aside from that, everything else is either ho-hum, or catch-up features.
-Scrollable and realizable widgets have existed on alternate launchers forever now. Nice to finally have them natively, but not terribly exciting.
-New app drawer layout is OK, but again, nothing groundbreaking. Moving all the widgets inside the drawer seems more inefficient than long-pressing on a home screen, especially if you have to scroll through several pages of widgets to locate your desired one.
-Face Unlock is a nice trick, but again, inefficient (or downright useless) for those who don't secure their phones in the first place. A quick flick of the thumb is hard to top as far as speed and ease go.
-NFC? Well, our phone doesn't have it to begin with, but even if it did, it's usefulness is pretty limited for the foreseeable future. How many times do you really transfer files between Android phones?
-The new UI, personally, I find pretty ugly. It's almost a total lack of any style, it's all lines and solid boxes. I suppose that's a style in itself, but I can't say it's a terribly pleasing one.
-The new search widget is now plastered on the top of every home screen, can only be removed by disabling the Google Search app, and upon doing so, you still can't reclaim the space used by the widget for icons or other widgets. I barely search on my phone enough to justify the current widget being placed on a single home screen, so to have one permanently on every screen is a PITA.
-The new camera features are nice, but at the end of the day, it's a camera phone. If I'm looking to take real photos, I'll use a real camera.
I don't know, the more useable the devs get their port, the more I've had a chance to play with ICS, and the more I'm convinced that, far from eliminating the need for carrier overlays, in my opinion, ICS actually makes them more valuable and necessary than they are today.
I honestly hate to say this, because I had been very much looking forward to it, but to me, the new UI just feels extremely unfinished and unimaginative, and the OS overall doesn't seem to break any new ground whatsoever.
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Word! So glad you wrote this. I've been thinking the same thing, but just didn't have the courage to say it!
3UR0TR45H said:
It's not so much about that as being able to touch up videos on the go. I consider imovie to be one of the top features on the iPhone and this will satisfy that need. It will basically turn the camcorder from a fun little gadget to a usable and valuable tool!
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I can't wait for this feature. With the birth of a baby girl, I plan on using the camcorder feature quite a bit!
Congrats bro
We were comparing my SGN to my friends 2 year old windows phone. He was interested in browser speed and performance so I showed him, then he showed me his, then I got sad. I can hear the jokes starting, lol...
His windows browser was silky smooth, zooming in and out, and even the rotating was great. I read somewhere that Google did that rotaing delay so it won't accidentally rotate while in your pants or something like that. Well I don't want that, I would like that option. And I know for a fact it can rotate instantly and fluently. I say this because if you open stock camera, and rotate it around, the small indicators and gallery preview rotate flawlessly and silky smooth. Is it the ram? Why would a 2 year old device out perform a 1.2 processor these days in browser performance? I'm a little bummed.
And let me not mention that multi task soft button... And info would much be appreciated, thanks...
I guess we would need to know what model of windows mobile phone your friend had to start off.
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spencer88 said:
I guess we would need to know what model of windows mobile phone your friend had to start off.
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Windows Trophy, and I think it released this summer... ?
What's wrong with the multitask soft key? I think it's pretty awesome.
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Ask him if he wants to trade. I can have a guess as to who is getting the better deal
Also, if its an HTC Trophy, it was released May 2011. Hardly a 2-year old phone as you described in OP
I mostly have 2 things to say: 1) By most accounts the SGN has one of the fastest browsers of any mobile device (benchmark wise) and 2) You'd be pleasantly surprised how well WP7 performs on a single core 1ghz processor.
People really need to kick the stigma on WP7. Its not a POS platform. You shouldn't be surprised that it performs like it should.
It has to do with how each OS handles UI rendering and what gets loaded. Go to a site that requires flash and you'll start seeing limitations in WP
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xHausx said:
It has to do with how each OS handles UI rendering and what gets loaded. Go to a site that requires flash and you'll start seeing limitations in WP
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I see your point but thats not the best comparison. Specifically choosing a site that only will load fully on one of the devices doesn't prove that device is better.
Loading a page that both devices can render fully and seeing which one does better (in benchmarks and look/feel) is the best head to head comparison.
rabaker07 said:
What's wrong with the multitask soft key? I think it's pretty awesome.
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It's one of my fave new features, just laggy... But I am running stock. It did release May, still half the ram... But he was amazed by the speedy UI stock and, of course, the screen...
WP 7 is just a faster UI and is more efficient than android in a lot of ways.
Also consider that his phone isn't pushing as many pixels as yours.
Microsoft has really focused on UI speed and touch response in WP 7, and it's pretty obvious when using one of those devices.
Even with ICS, android just doesn't match WP7 in terms of touch response and UI fluidity.
Nothing wrong with your device or his device. They're both great devices for different reasons.
4.03 helps quite a bit with the multi-tasking button lag, though.. so you'll see that improve when you get that update in the next few weeks.
Its been known that Microsoft went all out with windows phone and made the smoothest UI of all time and did extremely low level drivers with qualcom to get such performance out of the snapdragon chip set. Its the most fluid smooth UI I've ever seen. I'm just glad ice cream sandwich moved in that direction finally.
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WP 7 is just a faster UI and is more efficient than android in a lot of ways.
Also consider that his phone isn't pushing as many pixels as yours.
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I thought ICS was supposed to have hardware acceleration so the graphics don't burden the CPU ? So, if anything, the nexus should have an advantage over the Windows phone.
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RogerPodacter said:
Its been known that Microsoft went all out with windows phone and made the smoothest UI of all time and did extremely low level drivers with qualcom to get such performance out of the snapdragon chip set. Its the most fluid smooth UI I've ever seen. I'm just glad ice cream sandwich moved in that direction finally.
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Well the Windows phones are all single core as well. I would doubt that ICS will ever compete on a single core. Even the hardware on the nexus struggles to run it. I guess in a month or so when the quads and higher clocking phones come out with ICS, we will get to see how they compare. Thats why I ditched my GN's. I just don't think the hardware is enough for ICS. I went back my trusty Atrix 2, slapped an ICS theme on it, and it does everything better than the nexus.
It's really not a fair comparison, looking at one particular aspect. WP7 has only one resolution, much lower than the GNex. All the graphics are simpler, and it can't run all the things in the background.
It's like comparing a hot air balloon to a helicopter, based on how smooth they are.
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T-Keith said:
It's really not a fair comparison, looking at one particular aspect. WP7 has only one resolution, much lower than the GNex. All the graphics are simpler, and it can't run all the things in the background.
It's like comparing a hot air balloon to a helicopter, based on how smooth they are.
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Agree about the simplererer graphics. I am loving the metro theme they uave going. Simple, yet elegant. But nothing beats Android as far as customization and personalization goes...
I tell everyone if two people were to drop their ihones, and I were to pick them up I wouldn't be able to differentiate one by the other because they all look the same, maybe except for the background but you can't even tell since all those static icons are in the way I have no idea where I am going with this so yea....
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I'm still skeptical about the Metro UI. It has a bit too much text for my taste. What happened to the "a picture is worth a thousand words"? The UI is very beautiful though