I just readed this article:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...ne-x-isnt-amazing-at-all-even-by-the-numbers/
Does it "sound" that we got screwed by HTC? Does HIgh-end device got suxxy sound compared to he's little brothers or US brothers? How can we fight with that? send HOX to HTC and demand replacement?
Adam
Maybe i will start sell my HOX Int. version...
I think we should react in some other way, like demand device replacement. This is a real JOKE that flagship model got such flaw in audio ...
You wanted a quadcore phone, so you bought a phone with the first quadcore soc, the Tegra3, you could have known before hand what the audio and graphics quality would have been like. There are plenty of reviews and it is well known that except for having 4 cores, the tegra3 is a mediocre performer
Its not about quad core man. This is false advertising which is illegal in EU here. If i see the BEATS logo it should bean that its not only software equalizer (i got HP with beats HW). ANd remember this is high end device i paid for it a lot of $$ and i demand a high quality in every aspect, not a false promises.
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You wanted a quadcore phone, so you bought a phone with the first quadcore soc, the Tegra3, you could have known before hand what the audio and graphics quality would have been like. There are plenty of reviews and it is well known that except for having 4 cores, the tegra3 is a mediocre performer
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I hope u don't mean in speed otherwise major lol
anybody lying to himself to think the dual s4 is a better SOC is just misinformed
as for the OP relax, enough with the doom m gloom you got a much powerful processor in return of some audio purity loss its still very good, use your ears to judge n forget the numbers
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as for the OP relax, enough with the doom m gloom you got a much powerful processor in return of some audio purity loss its still very good, use your ears to judge n forget the numbers
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I think you don't get the point.
What you saying is simply :
"You have 4 rooms flat without toilet (just a hole in floor), but hey! its four rooms! you should not complain cause in return for FOUR rooms u got to loss full toilet"
This is high end device. Its advertised as BEATS which is not (logo doesn't count).
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I think you don't get the point.
What you saying is simply :
"You have 4 rooms flat without toilet (just a hole in floor), but hey! its four rooms! you should not complain cause in return for FOUR rooms u got to loss full toilet"
This is high end device. Its advertised as BEATS which is not (logo doesn't count).
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your joke made my day Glorious :victory: .
Well , just my 1 cent words .
You paid and your not satisfied , you can go to court and claim about false advertisement. Those who are happy with their phone they are enjoying it.
It all depends on what you really want.
I bought my HOX from INDIA... and Beats work gr8 on my headphone but the speaker is way bad.
Overall i am delighted. :angel:
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I hope u don't mean in speed otherwise major lol
anybody lying to himself to think the dual s4 is a better SOC is just misinformed
as for the OP relax, enough with the doom m gloom you got a much powerful processor in return of some audio purity loss its still very good, use your ears to judge n forget the numbers
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I think you are misinformed, the tegra3 is only fast in synthetic benchmarks, optimized for multithreading, in the real android world apps are not even optimized for 2 cores, let alone 4
this thread made me laugh
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I think you don't get the point.
What you saying is simply :
"You have 4 rooms flat without toilet (just a hole in floor), but hey! its four rooms! you should not complain cause in return for FOUR rooms u got to loss full toilet"
This is high end device. Its advertised as BEATS which is not (logo doesn't count).
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Where does it say BEATS is anything more than a software equalizer?
Exactly. HP laptops have the same software but better speakers, hence the better sound. If it was something like having Sennheiser hardware in it and it was crap THEN I'd be complaining
I have to say the speakers with the hox are completely crap, I bought soundmagic mp-21's (they are pretty cheap) and sound is much better (better than the sgs2), though I am no audiophile
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Its not about quad core man. This is false advertising which is illegal in EU here. If i see the BEATS logo it should bean that its not only software equalizer (i got HP with beats HW). ANd remember this is high end device i paid for it a lot of $$ and i demand a high quality in every aspect, not a false promises.
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Wow, you sure put a lot of weight in one person's opinion. If you read the masthead the article's an editorial, not a review. You or I could submit something totally opposite and it would be published.
First, Beats is s/w sound enhancement so I don't think that's your beef. Second, the DAC is just one component that determines a devices sound quality. Even with a Wolfson DAC the international SGS3 is having issues. Here's 54 pages of discussion on their forum.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1633685
The author of that article picked one stat out of a dozen to compare. Here's the whole review. The SGS3 is better than the One X but not by much.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_iii_vs_htc_one_x-review-759p7.php
I got to use a DoCoMo SGS3 for two days about a week ago and it's essentially the same phone as the U.S. versions. In comparing it to the One X it sounded a little brighter but the separation and range on the One X was significantly better. Volume on both was more than adequate and I didn't have to run either at anywhere near max to get decent volume. I compared them using a pair of Shure 530's. I'll say this about the SGS3 I played with, it was horrible at A2DP. It was flat with little range; worse than listening to XM. The One X has better A2DP than any device I've ever used.
Everyone's so freaked out about sound quality based on what they read.. Unless you're listening to lossless audio on headsets that cost several hundred dollars or outputting to home A/V systems that cost thousands all the subtleties being discussed are meaningless. Listening to128kb MP3's on $20 headsets the SGS3(s), One S, and One X will all sound the same.
As for being screwed by HTC and going after them, on what grounds? They never promised anything other than Beats and love it or hate it it's in there.
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I think you are misinformed, the tegra3 is only fast in synthetic benchmarks, optimized for multithreading, in the real android world apps are not even optimized for 2 cores, let alone 4
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sigh if the one x mega I formation thread is not enough for u with endless facts, figures and comparisons about the tegra3 cpus an gpu against the dual s4
if the fleet of thd optimized games still can't convince u and the upcoming google nexus tablet to talk u in about android getting quad core optimized
if the reports of users owning the xl complaining about slow performance in HD gaming means anything
than really I give up, u r misinformed
you go get him tiger
Very happy with my One X.Quality is good as well and it saves me from playing with the equalizer to find the perfect setting that is...Beats is just a gimmick all along anyway and nothing special but anyways in regards to the sound i could not be happier...good sound, great performance wise now i have tweaked the hell out of it and well happy bunny
if you are really that freaked out then speak to HTC and get findings what they say to you and then post the outcome...no need to go by what one said over the net..at the end of the day is what users say and counts how they are experiencing things not just by what one person said on a blog site...so if a guy on a blog site said it was good to jump off a cliff does not mean cause he said it it is cool to do
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Wow, you sure put a lot of weight in one person's opinion. If you read the masthead the article's an editorial, not a review. You or I could submit something totally opposite and it would be published.
First, Beats is s/w sound enhancement so I don't think that's your beef. Second, the DAC is just one component that determines a devices sound quality. Even with a Wolfson DAC the international SGS3 is having issues. Here's 54 pages of discussion on their forum.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1633685
The author of that article picked one state out of a dozen to compare. Here's the whole review. The SGS3 is better than the One X but not by much.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_iii_vs_htc_one_x-review-759p7.php
I got to use a DoCoMo SGS3 for two days about a week ago and it's essentially the same phone as the U.S. versions. In comparing it to the One X it sounded a little brighter but the separation and range on the One X was significantly better. Volume on both was more than adequate and I didn't have to run either at anywhere near max to get decent volume. I compared them using a pair of Shure 530's. I'll say this about the SGS3 I played with, it was horrible at A2DP. It was flat with little range; worse than listening to XM. The One X has better A2DP than any device I've ever used.
Everyone's so freaked out about sound quality based on what they read.. Unless you're listening to lossless audio on headsets that cost several hundred dollars or outputting to home A/V systems that cost thousands all the subtleties being discussed are meaningless. Listening to128kb MP3's on $20 headsets the SGS3(s), One S, and One X will all sound the same.
As for being screwed by HTC and going after them, on what grounds? They never promised anything other than Beats and love it or hate it it's in there.
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hamdir said:
sigh if the one x mega I formation thread is not enough for u with endless facts, figures and comparisons about the tegra3 cpus an gpu against the dual s4
if the fleet of thd optimized games still can't convince u and the upcoming google nexus tablet to talk u in about android being quad core optimized
if the reports of users owning the xl complaining about slow performance in HD gaming
than really I give up, u r misinformed
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people are forgetting as well mate we still do not have an ICS kernel or 3.x.x whatever you want to call it which will double the performance of the phone and basically give it a new lease of life
Beats audio means an equaliser. Get over it.
Fancy pancy pre set equaliser. Nothing more.
Yes that is right. It's a damn phone for God's sake. If you want audiophile quality, buy an MP3 player, load it with lossless files and play it through an amp onto good headphones.
Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2
I think it depends on the type of music you're listening to. Rock and dance music sound much better on one X than on the 4s. Nvidia will be patching up their drivers to cut down the crackles and pops. The thing to remember is that this is a mobile phone, as is the gs3 and 4s, in the hifi world a moderate dac will cost $3000 and a good dac can cost multiple times this amount.
I have my one X connected to my Cyrus setup and it sounds awesome, I also use poweramp to boost the subdued midrange, it is the best sounding phone I have ever heard. My stock testing track is the album version of insomnia by faithless (uses more frequencies than any other track with extremely good separation). I personally think the one X sounds a tad warmer and better than the original cd through my cd8x.
Acoustic and more gentle classical are more difficult to achieve good results. If you listen to rock or electronica of any description the hoc international is amazing.
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I saw the benchmarks and like I said the tegra scores high in synthetic benchmarks
if the fleet of thd optimized games still can't convince u and the upcoming google nexus tablet to talk u in about android getting quad core optimized
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It's not android or linux that need optimizing, it's the individual apps and games and that's something which still hasn't even happened under windows! Apperently it is very hard to write multithread apps
if the reports of users owning the xl complaining about slow performance in HD gaming means anything
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I haven't seen them, I don't game I mainly browse and I can say the one s feels smoother than the one x, although not so much anymore with the 2.x roms
btw I am very satisfied with my hox, I wouldnt trade it for any other phone, except the 32GB hoxl
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It's not android or linux that need optimizing, it's the individual apps and games and that's something which still hasn't even happened under windows! Apperently it is very hard to write multithread apps
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not even windows! :laugh: im a CG expert and i can tell you 90% of all my work software as well as chrome browser sips every last bit out of my 8 cores, so what are you talking about, you sound like you are still in 2005? everything is mulithreaded now especially current generation gaming as evident by the PS3 and Xbox360
the entire computing world is going further and further into a multi-core, multi-processor approach
as for my thread it was never about benchmarks but about real world usage, check this post to have a better idea if you have the time
all the performance issues of the One X are blamed on early troubled Tegra3 drivers which are much improved and solved in the NV3.1 kernel source and HTC's own software faults like the battery oriented ondemand governor and bloated sense launcher
we solved them in the 2.x ROMS, ultra rosie patch, NV3.1 based kernels and SetCPU performance profiles
this morning i was messing around with governors and my CPU got stuck in 1400mhz mode, i used it for over an hour until my battery alarmed me and you wont believe how incredible speedy and smooth this thing was
i was the most skeptical and worried about T3 but to be honest it done noting but surprise me
the main issue facing HTC to find to the balance between battery and performance or simply provide the user with performance profiles and let them decide
But don't expect a fraction of this drivers activity on a qualcomm platform, look up NOVA3 gameplay videos on the Sensation XE
Battery life is win on the s4 no one can deny this
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Hi guys
I recently got hold of a Samsung i9000 Galaxy S, and i have to say im rather dissapointed.
The lag issue, which none of the lag fixes really actually stop, is so annoying, GPS not working as im one of the unfortunate people who have this issue is another annoyance
The screen is fantastic however, and the music player is aweseome with its equilizer.
However i use my phone for numerous things, media is one thing, GPS also as i dont see the need to buy a seperate sat nav when my phone "should have it",
Now i am going to wait until the official Froyo release from samsung before making any decision.
Right stop my moaning and here are my questions
i have been offered in exchange a sim Free Desire, plus a 16gb Class 6 sdcard, all boxed.
The one thing that worries me about going down the Desire route is how long is this handset gonna last.
Looking at benchmarks the i9000 creams the desire (with lag fix) in pretty much everything, i know this is down to the pretty poor Adreno 200 GPU on snapdragon as linpack shows the snapdragon FPU is better, Quadrant over 2200 currently on my SGS
in gaming terms for the future how long is this gonna last? can i expect games that are released in 6 months from now to run flawlessly? i know its hard for people to see into the future! but NEed for speed seems to run pretty much identically to my SGS, so im wondering if its all down to optimization on both chipsets
also gingerbread? a definate yes? or have HTC still not announced if Desire will be getting it
Samsung wont give any answers on this whatsoever
Also what would you guys do?
The samsung guys say "stay with it" but i want opinions from both camps
Cheers
You are on the same point I was a few weeks ago, well I wasn't offered in exchange by someone but the store owner offered to change it for me. Honestly, I'd say go for it. Samsung's software is crap, Desire has a lot better development community. Not to mention you get HTC Sense. Now one warning, Desire doesn't got true multi-touch, it got pinch support but thats about as far as the multi-touch goes. I tired playing Real Football 2010 with a Desire and it was a crap experience. People have reported Quadrant benchmarks of almost 1800 via OCed kernel and custom ROMs, if you really want to get down to that point but honestly it doesn't make a difference.
And HTC still hasn't announced if Desire is getting Gingerbread but there is a good chance the ROM community will be able to get it running. Plus Samsung still hasn't released Froyo, so I don't see a bright future of Gingerbread coming from them.
Now, GPS on Desire is damn good. It works as good as my 2 year old satnav if not better(It usually gets the fix better, I gave my satnav away ).
Honestly the handset has a good life-time to last, HTC Hero is still doing pretty good so Desire should do good as well was another year or more. Even if HTC may drop the support we have people here giving new life to the device.
My opinion: go for it! Desire is a great phone / smartphone.
The more I use it, the better it is.
Make sure you do a hard reset when you get it...
im seriously 50/50 on this, and now my time frame has been shortened, my mate wants to know by tomorrow otherwise he is ebaying it (mates eh!?)
Benchmarks are not the be all and end all, its bragging rights i suppose.
one thing that is seriously tipping me back to HTC is the support and community development, Samsungs own support is utterly awful, Kies is the worst piece of software i have ever ever used, and no OTA?! what the hell is that about.
As for HTC back in the day when i had my hero, ok there was delays but at least they kept people in the loop, one of my biggest annoyences is not being advised anything from samsung other than "we are working on it"
i dont hold out anyfaith that the filesystem will be sorted out with froyo, i mean it says alot when the XDA guys can fix it, but Samsung dont seem to even ackowledge the fact the software is naff!
i thought the desire had true multi touch? Does this mean playing psx4droid is a poor experiance?
No, it doesn't got true multi-touch. If the x1 intersects with y2 or x2 with y1 it goes haywire. It doesn't have gorilla glass either. But the community of HTC Desire is far better than Galaxy S from my experience, we don't have to use Kies or similar crap either(It was a PITA to get Kies to even recognize my phone, took me well over 4 hours and a lot of headaches), we got OTA! .
Dragooon123 said:
No, it doesn't got true multi-touch. If the x1 intersects with y2 or x2 with y1 it goes haywire. It doesn't have gorilla glass either. But the community of HTC Desire is far better than Galaxy S from my experience, we don't have to use Kies or similar crap either(It was a PITA to get Kies to even recognize my phone, took me well over 4 hours and a lot of headaches), we got OTA! .
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Glad you share my view on Kies, i honestly have never had such issues flashing a firmware, at least with Odin it did what it says on the tin
ok well im pushing more towards the desire, i just HOPE that its as much as an enjoyable process playing PSX games on psx4droid as it is on the Galaxy S, i do alot of travelling and i spend most of that time on trains playing FF7
If you want to do gaming stick with the galaxy s the desire isn't very good for that. Maybe 2.2 for the galaxy s will resolve your issues. I love the desire its a great phone but its horrible for gaming.
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it all depends how much more powerfull the new version of adreno is, obviously developers are still going to develop games for the arm cpu and adreno inparticular, imo i think our gpu will be able to play the games developed for newer versions of adreno but maybe not flawlessly .............. as far as gingerbread goes, the desire will never get it officially as htc are more intrested in supporting what will be then there current generation of devices, but as the desire and n1 are almost identical, and the n1 being googles official developer device, they are sure to get gingerbread, so we maybe we will be the first device to get working custom roms
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it all depends how much more powerfull the new version of adreno is, obviously developers are still going to develop games for the arm cpu and adreno inparticular, imo i think our gpu will be able to play the games developed for newer versions of adreno but maybe not flawlessly .............. as far as gingerbread goes, the desire will never get it officially as htc are more intrested in supporting what will be then there current generation of devices, but as the desire and n1 are almost identical, and the n1 being googles official developer device, they are sure to get gingerbread, so we maybe we will be the first device to get working custom roms
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I never thought of it like that actually regarding future android updates, basically the N1 is the same hardware as the desire, just lacking a little bit of Ram i believe, so shouldnt be too difficult to port over a rom
you sir have just tipped the scales again!
If you care about gaming stick with SGS..devs are even stopping games for desire ( see n.o.v.a) due to the multitouch bug and the the GPU isn't even remotely close to sgs's..Desire's 720p is a big pile of disappointment as well,no matter what rom you try..
other than that it is a fantastic phone...also unique feel as you hold it in your palm..its ergonomy is amazing, even ip4 doesn't sit as well in the hand as desire does..
Your right about the iPhone 4 it is a pain to hold now lol (not about the signal "issue") the edges are Sharp.
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I have a Desire & my friend has a Galaxy S.
I would say the Samsung has a better screen. However:
The Desire is a better over all device, software wise and build quality wise. Oh and it has more ram.
However, if gaming is a serious thing for you, I suggest you stay with the Samsung because they really do have the most powerful mobile GPU.
mr.r9 said:
I have a Desire & my friend has a Galaxy S.
I would say the Samsung has a better screen. However:
The Desire is a better over all device, software wise and build quality wise. Oh and it has more ram.
However, if gaming is a serious thing for you, I suggest you stay with the Samsung because they really do have the most powerful mobile GPU.
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In respects to gaming its not gaming as such, i mean angry birds beta from the market, any gpu should play that, im more bothered about PSX emulation at this point, my sgs is superb with psx4droid, where as the videos i have seen on youtube dont say the same story with desire, however these are based on the early versions of the app,
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In respects to gaming its not gaming as such, i mean angry birds beta from the market, any gpu should play that, im more bothered about PSX emulation at this point, my sgs is superb with psx4droid, where as the videos i have seen on youtube dont say the same story with desire, however these are based on the early versions of the app,
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Don't worry about that...psx4droid does not yet support hardware acceleration so all graphics are rendered from the CPU , not the GPU...so they should play it equaly well..well runs fine on my desire..and also i had an hd2 before and used fpsece which supported(and still does) hw acceleration..and run great on hd2 (has snapdragon chip, same as htc desire)..could get 40+fps on tekken 3...which is brillian (does not even run in psx4droid)..
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Don't worry about that...psx4droid does not yet support hardware acceleration so all graphics are rendered from the CPU , not the GPU...so they should play it equaly well..well runs fine on my desire..and also i had an hd2 before and used fpsece which supported(and still does) hw acceleration..and run great on hd2 (has snapdragon chip, same as htc desire)..could get 40+fps on tekken 3...which is brillian (does not even run in psx4droid)..
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Also had a hd2 and it was excellent, just a pitty about winmo 6.5, do you know if there are any plans for GPU acceleration to be implemented for android?
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Also had a hd2 and it was excellent, just a pitty about winmo 6.5, do you know if there are any plans for GPU acceleration to be implemented for android?
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i think we have crappy drivers for our gpu too, the acer liquid has the same gpu but with a cpu that runs at a lower clockspeed, but apparently the 3d rendering on that device surpasses our device
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i think we have crappy drivers for our gpu too, the acer liquid has the same gpu but with a cpu that runs at a lower clockspeed, but apparently the 3d rendering on that device surpasses our device
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no they do not have a standard snapdragon..
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Also had a hd2 and it was excellent, just a pitty about winmo 6.5, do you know if there are any plans for GPU acceleration to be implemented for android?
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Truly no idea..the guy is taking it deadly slow..Kiss Yorkshire goodnight from me had a trip 3 years ago and it was the sweetest town ever..
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Hi guys
I recently got hold of a Samsung i9000 Galaxy S, and i have to say im rather dissapointed.
The lag issue, which none of the lag fixes really actually stop, is so annoying, GPS not working as im one of the unfortunate people who have this issue is another annoyance
The screen is fantastic however, and the music player is aweseome with its equilizer.
However i use my phone for numerous things, media is one thing, GPS also as i dont see the need to buy a seperate sat nav when my phone "should have it",
Now i am going to wait until the official Froyo release from samsung before making any decision.
Right stop my moaning and here are my questions
i have been offered in exchange a sim Free Desire, plus a 16gb Class 6 sdcard, all boxed.
The one thing that worries me about going down the Desire route is how long is this handset gonna last.
Looking at benchmarks the i9000 creams the desire (with lag fix) in pretty much everything, i know this is down to the pretty poor Adreno 200 GPU on snapdragon as linpack shows the snapdragon FPU is better, Quadrant over 2200 currently on my SGS
in gaming terms for the future how long is this gonna last? can i expect games that are released in 6 months from now to run flawlessly? i know its hard for people to see into the future! but NEed for speed seems to run pretty much identically to my SGS, so im wondering if its all down to optimization on both chipsets
also gingerbread? a definate yes? or have HTC still not announced if Desire will be getting it
Samsung wont give any answers on this whatsoever
Also what would you guys do?
The samsung guys say "stay with it" but i want opinions from both camps
Cheers
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id say go for the desire, just won t3 awards phone of the year
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no they do not have a standard snapdragon..
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thats my point!! they have the same gpu running with a 768mhz cpu, and there gpu can do 3D better than ours, read this thread started about overclocking our gpu.....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=8553534#post8553534
I was one of very few people of bought a wp7 device when it first came out. most people on xda said they would wait for the second generation of wp7 devices. now that the second generation has arrived the specs are very dissapointing, to put it short..... Where are the high end wp7 devices???? 1.5ghz single core? really? 2nd gen STILL making 8gb phones? come on! its nearly 2012, and whats with the lumia not even having a front facing camera? i thought this was all going to change when the second gen came out, but instead ill have to watch my android owning friends play thier games at 60fps, while no developers bother to even upgrade their games since the mango update allowed it! surely more power would be needed for xbox live games .......... no wonder wp7 is doing pants...give us some real hardware...
I'll quote Anton Nagy from pocketnow "Some Android users just don't get it that Windows Phone doesn't need the Android h/w processing power to run smoothly!"
Stop worrying about how fast the processor is or how many cores it has. The truth is WP7.5 runs great on "lower" end hardware where android chokes and lags.
^ Bull****. It's not about smoothness, if it was, dumbphones would be the obvious winner. Pathetic excuse.
It's about 1080p, graphic intensive games, heavy media, etc. Xbox Live is a sad joke on the phone.
Did Anton Nagy answer why does the iPhone has dual cores?
Headline = Correct
There is absolutely nothing that really says "wow, ok this is 2nd gen". Except the Titan. But it's still locked into an old school resolution.
That's funny, I was about to start this exact same thread
I was never expecting dual core, I know the OS doesn't support it and iOS got great games without the need of for dual core anyway.
Still that's not a reason to keep getting low end devices. The Titan on android comes with beats audio and a 32GB option, the Lumia 800 comes on Meego with a FF camera and a 64GB option, why are WP7 users getting the shaft? Not one 32GB device when Zune players have been canned in favour of WP7, how is that now ridiculous?
Use a WP. It doesn't lag and not once will you feel your phone isn't capable of something.
But I agree about screen and ffc.
Sent from my T8788 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
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Use a WP. It doesn't lag and not once will you feel your phone isn't capable of something.
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iPhone doesn't "lag" either. Yet it gets a significantly faster CPU and graphics chip with each iteration.
iOS started getting properly good (i.e. non casual) apps around the time the iPhone 3GS was launched. Suddenly you had some real horse-power, and you started getting proper 3D shooters like Call of Duty: Zombies. Check out Infinity Blade or Epic Castle running on the 3GS - puts every WP7 game to shame, and this is on a phone that came out 2.5 years ago (a lifetime in the mobile world!).
Meanwhile we've still not got a single decent FPS, and almost zero augmented reality apps. Now do you see why we need better hardware?
All that putting a duel core faster processor etc in will do is drain the battery like a siv for no noticable extra performance esp when the clock speed of the processor is hardly a bottleneck in these phones. Your 1.4ghz lumia will run faster and smoother then a duel core htc sensation. I to would love to see bigger memory beats phone but as i own bose headphones i dont feel its a biggie. At the end of the day the only thing that sucks is 16gb but then i have a zune for my music so 16gb is more than i need.
to put it simple bigger specs = less battery + no noticable differance in performance
i know what i want and that a solid sexy device with a mind blowing screen (yes i know its small but hay there all the same res just look at it closer lol) and a battery that lasts. Plus WP7.5 is much nicer to use and more polished then android or ios. Dont get me wrong i love androif but only cos i love to play and mess with things but past that it looks dated and eats power.
Another complainers thread.
Even if Windows Phones had dual core, ffc, nfc, served coffee and made the bed there would always be a group of complainers. It will never be satisfactory.
I will say this: Its a phone. If it doesn't suit your needs, do not buy it. Microsoft will get the message loud and clear of no one buys it.
I'm glad there aren't dual core CPUs. I like my battery lasting over a day.
I have Never noticed lag on my Omnia 7. Never once. All the games I have play smoothly. OS is silky.
My PC is now 2 years old. Normally i'd upgrade it at least every 2 years. I won't bother now.. why ? Because i don't need to. It will still play modern games at an acceptable and high quality.
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If it doesn't suit your needs, do not buy it. Microsoft will get the message loud and clear of no one buys it.
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No one is buying it are they? MS still refuse to release sales figure, but un-offocial sources show it's in last place, even being outsold by Bada (Samsung's phone OS).
You've also missed the point entirely; if a WP7 came out that hardware on par or significantly ahead of the current gen Androids (e.g. 1200x900 res screen, camera with 1080p recording and xenon flash, fast 3d chip, FFC camera) it would sell well. But they haven't, so it won't; WP7 is one generation behind yet again.
Indeed, I could understand that the 1st wave of devices = underpowered phones.
But for the 2nd wave it's not acceptable anymore. All the devices proposed are mediocre.
I was patient, but now I am really fed up.
My last hopes in the OS have totally gone ith the ****ty Nokia phones announced.
I need SD card slot, I need 32/64GB, I need FFC, I need USB mass storage, I need DivX|Avi, I need bigger screen, etc.....
What a disaster.
Microsoft is always behind, just a follower. They are incapable of anticipating and thinking ahead and unable to propose something that the competitors do not already have. They are 2 years late, they are one phone generation late.
The last WP7 phones have specifications from year 2009 !!!
WHERE ARE THE HIGH END WP7 DEVICE??????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Peew971 said:
The Titan on android comes with beats audio and a 32GB option, the Lumia 800 comes on Meego with a FF camera and a 64GB option, why are WP7 users getting the shaft? Not one 32GB device when Zune players have been canned in favour of WP7, how is that now ridiculous?
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I have the exact same question.
I want to understand this.
Is Microsoft forcing the manufacturers to do this?
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Freypal said:
I'm glad there aren't dual core CPUs. I like my battery lasting over a day.
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What are you talking about?
One of my friends has both an HTC Mozart and the last iPhone.
He is always complaining because the HTC cannot last more than 1 day (with its fu..... single core), whereas his iPhone can last up to 3 or 4 days.
Don't believe what you read on WP7 users forum. Wp7 is crap on every level (except maybe the UI)
What are YOU talking about, the last iphone was a single core device, the NEW Iphone (the 4S) is dual core and surprise surpise, the most subscribed thread on the iphone 4S section over at mac rumors is titled "baterrygate"
3 or 4 days with an iPhone?
LOL
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What you want is a premium phone. I don't think Microsoft (or at least Nokia) believes that space is a priority considering that it's dominated by the iPhone and the GS2.
I think it's a viable tactic: premium looking phone for a mid-range price. It does suck for those of us who aren't as price conscious.
Anyway, I would wait to see what Samsung brings out. The hardware should be nice spec-wise. Personally, it's a no go for me because their design is uninspiring.
So after a year, people still cant decide for themselves what phone they should buy. If WP7 doesnt meet your needs, dont buy it, if you have bought it, dump it for what suits you. Complaining because you cant have what your friends have sounds like a playground mentality.
If it met your needs once but doesnt anymore its more beneficial to move on to another platform, especially considering that members of this forum are highly likely to know exactly the capabilities and restrictions of WP7. Its common knowledge what screen res WP7 supports, what CPU's it supports and what RAM it supports. So why are people surprised when devices are released that meet the known specs? Screen size, camera quality, storage size can vary but nothing else is going to change.
Really nothing forcing anyone to use this OS, and as people are so fond of saying, there are no sales, missing features, its ugly, etc. So, why not move on?
davidebanks said:
I was one of very few people of bought a wp7 device when it first came out. most people on xda said they would wait for the second generation of wp7 devices. now that the second generation has arrived the specs are very dissapointing, to put it short..... Where are the high end wp7 devices???? 1.5ghz single core? really? 2nd gen STILL making 8gb phones? come on! its nearly 2012, and whats with the lumia not even having a front facing camera? i thought this was all going to change when the second gen came out, but instead ill have to watch my android owning friends play thier games at 60fps, while no developers bother to even upgrade their games since the mango update allowed it! surely more power would be needed for xbox live games .......... no wonder wp7 is doing pants...give us some real hardware...
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I came from Nokia to Android and I used Nokias since 1987 lol. sssh... don't tell anyone.
Nokia phones always had slower CPU's etc... and the software didn't usually need more because it was never power hungry. I think we need to see the high end stuff. I also think they knocked this batch out in a hell of a hurry and knowing Elop and Co we'll see some nice phones soon ish if they have learned anything from announcement to release delays that is!
Nokia make software run well on different hardware.
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uryu_ishida said:
What you want is a premium phone. I don't think Microsoft (or at least Nokia) believes that space is a priority considering that it's dominated by the iPhone and the GS2.
I think it's a viable tactic: premium looking phone for a mid-range price. It does suck for those of us who aren't as price conscious.
Anyway, I would wait to see what Samsung brings out. The hardware should be nice spec-wise. Personally, it's a no go for me because their design is uninspiring.
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I don't want a premium phone. I just need 32 GB.
Why the Titan with Android has 32 GB and the Titan with WP7 only 16GB ??? I just can't explain this.
I would have bought the Titan immediately if it came with 32GB. But 16GB is a dealbreaker.
I am not asking more than this.
Same for me. Last chance for 32GB is the Focus S.
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Buy the Sensation XL then.
is this phone any good? how does it fare up against the iphone 4?
Android can do everything the iPhone 4 can't do, and the Xperia play has a larger screen, Gamepad, and what not?
thanks but i would prefer a more in-depth answer as to why and also if its a good phone or not (and why). thanks
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i would prefer a more in-depth answer as to why and also if its a good phone or not (and why). thanks
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Well I have a video review,
...a "How is it after 2 months?" session to see if it's quality stays consistent,
...as well as a COMPLETE written review.
http://verytechnical.wordpress.com/2011/11/19/sony-ericsson-xperia-play-4g-review/
That in-depth enough for ya?
EDIT: Long story short, you can find a handheld gaming system that handles tactile, portable gaming nicely, but they always fall short for... pretty much all of those non-game functions users over 14 need. You can find a lot of smartphones that handle all those necessities, but the touch controls are horrid, and every other physical controller option violates the "fearsome foursome" of external controller flaws; including that none of them aside from the Xperia PLAY have a lot of compatible games - SixAxis, ZeeMote, iControlPad, Gametel, BGP100...
...all of them fall flat on their ass when you start looking for something more than old emulated stuff. Xperia PLAY kicks ass as an emulator, but it's the only truly versatile smartphone with physical controls with the matching support of over 200 non-emulated games. There's no other device on the market that can hold the claim that well.
This is all from someone who came from 4th Gen idevices BTW. In comparison, its beat iOS at everything from media to games
Okay hardware wise they're almost the same.
1ghz CPU
512mb ram
5mp camera.
Adreno205 gpu to the sgx535
Apps will run similarly.
Okay better with iPhone :
The gorgeous hi res retina screen.
The app store
Smooth ui
Availability of apps.
Music, even though people might say otherwise.
Internal space.
Gyroscope
Better with xplay:
4 inch screen.
The ps controls
The exclusive apps
The Dlna
The PRICE
Audio feedback (xloud)
Image quality (with bravia engine )
The modding possibilities
WiFi hotspot (tethering)
A good forum
Price of apps.
Upgradeable memory (up to god knows how much with sdxc) lets say 64
Common peripherals ,ie Micro USB. So they're cheap if you misplace your charger etc.
Upcoming ics upgrade .
Upcoming PlayStation suite .
Current ps1 games .
Emulator possibilities.
Both are very good devices but unless if you were like me, a gamer, go for the iPhone .
The bads:
IPhone :
Heavily overpriced.
Not very revolutionary .
Overhyped apple product.(internals are the same as 3gs )
Relatively heavy.
Overshadowed by 4s .(last year's product)
Xplay:
Depreciation (not if you bought for like a £100)
Android ui (sorry guys spoilt by windows phone xD)
Weight 169 grams (if you're not a gamer you don't need this weight)
Lacklustre( maybe a bit overhyped too - so far but the upcoming months look really good imho)
But I still love my xplay, as I loved my omnia 7. May I recommend the ray if youre not into gaming and would like a good device .
My gf has a 4s and honestly, if you're gonna buy a new iPhone 4 save a bit more and buy the 4s instead .
Hope that helped.
Cheers
from tapatalk on xperia play.
Since buying an Xperia PLAY a couple of months ago, my old iPhone 4 hasn't seen the light of day and has been hiding in my draw since.
When I hold and use my PLAY, I know I'm holding a phone that was made especially for me. It's got:
- A nicely sized screen.
- Probably the best pair of speakers I've ever seen on a phone.
- Good battery life if treated well.
- That "WOW!" factor.
- 720p recording now.
- Great emulation performance.
- Can play pretty much all PS1 games using the likes of psxperia, FPSE and psx4droid.
- A large number of exclusive games.
- Is moddable and is a dream to run after rooting device.
I won't be buying another phone from here on unless it's a Sony gaming device running on Android.
I just love it when family come over in the holidays rocking up with their iPhone 4 and 4S thinking they have the best phone on the market. While they're talking to Siri asking for the weather, I'm having good fun playing Crash Bash with psxperia with a real game pad and at full speed.
KindaUndisputed said:
is this phone any good? how does it fare up against the iphone 4?
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The iPhone whether 4 or 3 or 6 is garbage , CNET and other hi-tech media mention it , IOS is the less customizable less user friendly .... I could go on. Best to actually compare it to a droid razr or galaxy s2 than any iPhone lol.
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amansth said:
Android ui (sorry guys spoilt by windows phone xD)
But I still love my xplay, as I loved my omnia 7.
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Have you tried out Launcher7 on the XPlay... Gives you that WP7 look and feel (at least for the launcher)... Ubermusic gives you a zune-style music player...
The biggest draw of any Android device over any of the other major platforms is customization. If you put the time and energy into it you can make Android do anything you want it to.
Plus this phone can take a bit of a drop and still be good the i phone will just shatter
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Weudel said:
Have you tried out Launcher7 on the XPlay... Gives you that WP7 look and feel (at least for the launcher)... Ubermusic gives you a zune-style music player...
The biggest draw of any Android device over any of the other major platforms is customization. If you put the time and energy into it you can make Android do anything you want it to.
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Yeah but launcher 7 isn't as smooth. Nothing is as smooth as windows phone. 7 no offense
from tapatalk on xperia play.
Hmm. Stock launcher on r800i I.e mine is as smooth if not smoother , I used to be a WM5 , 6, 6.5 addict. Including 7 , but ... No WM7's launcher or WP7 ISN'T the king.
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thanks for all the help guys! i would like a good phone but also be able to play games as well (maybe not extensively but i imagine i would use the pad a lot) would you say this is the phone for me or should i get another phone but stick to touchscreen controls? reviews are quite varied, some say its great and others say thats its great only for gaming? could anyone clarify briefly please?
*at the time of posting i have not watched nor read the reviews posted by "TLRtheory" so please excuse me if this was mentioned in one of them*
I recently got an iphone to try since i hear these things organize peoples lives,then got sick of it after i jailbroke it, being on android all these years i felt it was inconvenient just to make ringtones,text tones and with its limited format, then i found out im stuck with that square front page so i gave it to my brother.
then i brought a play, i played it for a few days then placed a listing online to sell it, then pulled out a few days after because i would waste more money getting something better like a Samsung s2
this phone is great it gets used alot more than any cellphone i had, while im waiting around or in public i can just burn some time and play.
At first it wasn't a great phone but then got root uninstaller to disable alot of the services i dont need.
the controls really make this phone worth it, i had sold my psp and missed all those old games, touchscreen controls never went far for me, i couldn't imagine clocking castlevania or many nes roms with it.
There is only one thing this phone can do better than any other: playing games. If you don't see yourself doing that often, you're better off with other options. Buying a Xperia Play is like crossing the Rubicon, as it makes a statement about yourself.
It depends, men are from android and women are from ios.
Well I will be playing games often but I just want to know if it is a good overall PHONE regardless of gaming. I currently have the ZTE blade so maybe that will tell you something..
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As an overall phone, it's just as good as a Samsung Galaxy S, HTC Desire S or any mid high end Android device: very fluid movement of the UI, so-so camera... It will be a fairly substantial improvement from the Blade, though that's a fantastic device btw. As a phone, it's bulky, but it has a remarkably good external speaker for music, packs a decent battery and the screen has a nice resolution (higher dpi than the blade).
I came from the Blade and find the Play super. Only cost me €7 more then the Blade too. Its a great phone if you can get it cheap.
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Logseman said:
As an overall phone, it's just as good as a Samsung Galaxy S, HTC Desire S or any mid high end Android device: very fluid movement of the UI, so-so camera... It will be a fairly substantial improvement from the Blade, though that's a fantastic device btw. As a phone, it's bulky, but it has a remarkably good external speaker for music, packs a decent battery and the screen has a nice resolution (higher dpi than the blade).
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Agree with all that, but the DPI is actually lower. Not noticable mind
So is it significantly better than the blade?
I appreciate the answers by the way
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And what is better about it ?
and what sets it apart from basically being a psp, basically how would you convince someone that it's more than just a psp?
Thanks in advance
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<<Another interesting (although quite odd as well) detail, is the fact that the HTC One S is reportedly the second fastest mobile device in the world when it comes to rendering video, obtaining results that are far superior to the Tegra 3 Transformer Prime and HTC One X.>>
http://www.androidauthority.com/snapdragon-s4-pro-benchmark-66510/
Looks like this won't be "the benchmark phone", but I really don't care when all the real world reports are talking about how fast and smooth it is.
This was answered more than 100 times, check Mega thread.
People are so obsessed with Benchmarks they forgets about real world usage.
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People are so obsessed with Benchmarks they forgets about real world usage.
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Fully agree!
I don't care for these numbers, they are nothing worth.
Once AOSP ROMs pop up and devs start to meddle with everything, the X will be *the* benchmark phone.
And yes, numbers doesn't mean anything. My highest benchmark number made on my HTC Desire was made with a Sense ROM, yet I find Oxygen and CyanogenMod *a lot* faster than Sense for everyday use. So it means nothing.
i dont understand where everyone got this feeling is it from my thread? i showed pros and cons and i showed how they trade blows in benchmarks, wipes the s4 in true multi core tests like Antutu, i also showed how the GPU beats adreno225 in many tests and how its beats it overall @720p
Tegra 3 is currently the fastest most untapped mobile processor out there
many benchmarks are not taking advantage of the quad core
this is video proves it all
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9S65h7cT0bo
hamdir said:
i dont understand where everyone got this feeling is it from my thread? i showed pros and cons and i showed how they trade blows in benchmarks, wipes the s4 in true multi core tests like Antutu, i also showed how the GPU beats adreno225 in many tests and how its beats it overall @720p
Tegra 3 is currently the fastest most untapped mobile processor out there
many benchmarks are not taking advantage of the quad core
this is video proves it all
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9S65h7cT0bo
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+1 that video does really show the balls the Tegra 3 has!
hamdir said:
i dont understand where everyone got this feeling is it from my thread? i showed pros and cons and i showed how they trade blows in benchmarks, wipes the s4 in true multi core tests like Antutu, i also showed how the GPU beats adreno225 in many tests and how its beats it overall @720p
Tegra 3 is currently the fastest most untapped mobile processor out there
many benchmarks are not taking advantage of the quad core
this is video proves it all
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9S65h7cT0bo
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14 hd videos! Amazing!
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hamdir said:
i dont understand where everyone got this feeling is it from my thread? i showed pros and cons and i showed how they trade blows in benchmarks, wipes the s4 in true multi core tests like Antutu, i also showed how the GPU beats adreno225 in many tests and how its beats it overall @720p
Tegra 3 is currently the fastest most untapped mobile processor out there
many benchmarks are not taking advantage of the quad core
this is video proves it all
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9S65h7cT0bo
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Getting thankses for my find =] (is 'thankses' a real word?)
If I were apple I would patent this video.
eeeeeee said:
Getting thankses for my find =] (is 'thankses' a real word?)
If I were apple I would patent this video.
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here you got the thanks in return, this video if flooring anybody who sees it
its already circulating in my friends ring
Just found this benchmark video on youtube:
Benchmark : HTC One X vs HTC One S (AnTuTu)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MELsb7neD2o
HTC One X vs HTC One S - Quad Core Tegra 3 vs Dual Core S4 Qualcomm
One X : 10 597
One S : 6 458
yuripave said:
Just found this benchmark video on youtube:
Benchmark : HTC One X vs HTC One S (AnTuTu)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MELsb7neD2o
HTC One X vs HTC One S - Quad Core Tegra 3 vs Dual Core S4 Qualcomm
One X : 10 597
One S : 6 458
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excellent that's nearly double
Antutu is very good at scaling with the number of cores
i'll caught you into the mega thread!
hamdir said:
i dont understand where everyone got this feeling is it from my thread? i showed pros and cons and i showed how they trade blows in benchmarks, wipes the s4 in true multi core tests like Antutu, i also showed how the GPU beats adreno225 in many tests and how its beats it overall @720p
Tegra 3 is currently the fastest most untapped mobile processor out there
many benchmarks are not taking advantage of the quad core
this is video proves it all
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Congratulations, you found one of the few use cases where all four cores are used.
I have owned the transformer prime tf201 for a month before returning it, and was not massively impressed by the tegra 3.
Under honeycomb it felt virtually the same as the tf101, apart from home screen navigation. The browser was horrendous and considerably worse than my galaxy s2.
On ICS the whole thing was a massive improvement, but sadly the browser (any of them) was still not as good as the ipad2, and even the galaxy s2. I suspect in most cases, the qualcomm s4 will simply feel faster (and browsing in particular im hoping).
Tegra 3 was VERY impressive for media playback though and games aswell, however, there are barely any games on the market that the adreno 205 can not handle let alone the 220/225.
Adreno 220 in s3 was bottlenecked, 225 in s4 should be a lot better and close to tegra 3 gpu.
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Congratulations, you found one of the few use cases where all four cores are used.
I have owned the transformer prime tf201 for a month before returning it, and was not massively impressed by the tegra 3.
Under honeycomb it felt virtually the same as the tf101, apart from home screen navigation. The browser was horrendous and considerably worse than my galaxy s2.
On ICS the whole thing was a massive improvement, but sadly the browser (any of them) was still not as good as the ipad2, and even the galaxy s2. I suspect in most cases, the qualcomm s4 will simply feel faster (and browsing in particular im hoping).
Tegra 3 was VERY impressive for media playback though and games aswell, however, there are barely any games on the market that the adreno 205 can not handle let alone the 220/225.
Adreno 220 in s3 was bottlenecked, 225 in s4 should be a lot better and close to tegra 3 gpu.
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i have a Desire HD adreno205 and its starting to fall behind, the 3d games that do work are not working at their best
android default browser is always nonsense even for snapdragon device and opera is a tons better (or other alternative) it might be an asus problem
hard to believe the quad fails in a real multi tasking job like web browsing
media playback and games? YES PLEASE
you returned the T Prime and its the most well praised android tablet out there, with most media concluding its a titan a match to the iPad3, updates are making it better, in fact a massive update has just been released
your issues with the T Prime sound only software problems
not to mention the T Prime shipped with early T30 silicon which had troubles achieving its own thermal goals, we are getting a revised AP33 aimed at 1.5/1.6ghz stable in a mobile phone
you mean to tell me opera was performing worse in the Prime opposed to the SGS2? it runs perfectly on my DHD
Look i wanted to believe the s4 mopes t3 myself mate since i'm angry at the T3 GPU, but i have checked every review, every bench and every technical article out there and simply it did not beat the T3 it simply almost matched it and impressive feat for a dual core, but doesn't cancel or out do the T3 especially not at 1280x720
finally check my posts on the topic
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24097326&postcount=5
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24218006&postcount=12
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24189921&postcount=15
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24182862&postcount=2344
hamdir said:
i have a Desire HD adreno205 and its starting to fall behind, the 3d games that do work are not working at their best
android default browser is always nonsense even for snapdragon device and opera is a tons better (or other alternative) it might be an asus problem
hard to believe the quad fails in a real multi tasking job like web browsing
media playback and games? YES PLEASE
you returned the T Prime and its the most well praised android tablet out there, with most media concluding its a titan a match to the iPad3, updates are making it better, in fact a massive update has just been released
your issues with the T Prime sound only software problems
not to mention the T Prime shipped with early T30 silicon which had troubles achieving its own thermal goals, we are getting a revised AP33 aimed at 1.5/1.6ghz stable in a mobile phone
finally check my posts on the topic
you mean to tell me opera was performing worse in the Prime opposed to the SGS2? it runs perfectly on my DHD
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I returned it cause i couldnt afford the the £500 to keep it, especially when i know there's a £200 version coming soon! Under ICS it was very useable, but had some notorious bugs, like random reboots. The only real alternative is the ipad, but the aspect ratio renders it useless for media playback, so you are right, the tf201 is the only acceptable tablet out there.
Opera at the time didnt work that well in either honeycomb or ICS, but was amazing in gingerbread. I returned it before chrome beta came out, so cant comment on that either. The default browser has overall been very good since ICS, and i suspect this will be the case in any ONE S/X configuration.
The web browsing was acceptable with ICS, but didnt quite match the galaxy s2 or the ipad2. The galaxy s2 was that good that it made my ipad redundant and I eventually sold it. You'd never guess there was a quad core behind the tf201 when using the internet browser. It never quite looked as good as the only other ICS device, the galaxy nexus.
Overall I was really looking forward to tegra 3 and was left a little disappointed, and felt that perhaps the A9 was just not that good overall. I hoped the revised tegra 3 is a lot better. I was really looking forward to the s4 as well and am again disappointed that it is only comparable with the tegra 3. I may have to wait for the 2.5ghz quadcore version!
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My next phone will still probably be the one x though, one s has been crippled with a poor display and memory
i'm not interested in GPU power but more in efficiency per watt...
maybe too early to know exactly, but i would like to know:
Would the One S combination (S4, Adreno225, qHD, 1650mAh) be more power efficient (i.e battery lasts longer in normal everyday use) than the One X (T3, 720p, 1800mAh).
normal use: 1-2h display usage, browsing, mails, phone, camera, sms
thx!
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I returned it cause i couldnt afford the the £500 to keep it, especially when i know there's a £200 version coming soon! Under ICS it was very useable, but had some notorious bugs, like random reboots. The only real alternative is the ipad, but the aspect ratio renders it useless for media playback, so you are right, the tf201 is the only acceptable tablet out there.
Opera at the time didnt work that well in either honeycomb or ICS, but was amazing in gingerbread. I returned it before chrome beta came out, so cant comment on that either. The default browser has overall been very good since ICS, and i suspect this will be the case in any ONE S/X configuration.
The web browsing was acceptable with ICS, but didnt quite match the galaxy s2 or the ipad2. The galaxy s2 was that good that it made my ipad redundant and I eventually sold it. You'd never guess there was a quad core behind the tf201 when using the internet browser. It never quite looked as good as the only other ICS device, the galaxy nexus.
Overall I was really looking forward to tegra 3 and was left a little disappointed, and felt that perhaps the A9 was just not that good overall. I hoped the revised tegra 3 is a lot better. I was really looking forward to the s4 as well and am again disappointed that it is only comparable with the tegra 3. I may have to wait for the 2.5ghz quadcore version!
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My next phone will still probably be the one x though, one s has been crippled with a poor display and memory
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the reboots you speak of are attributed to software problems and early T30, the revision only solves problems with the silicon, allow 200mhz extra, nothing changed in architecture
@zerozoneice from what we are hearing, T3 is very power efficient, i don't know about amoled
hamdir said:
@zerozoneice from what we are hearing, T3 is very power efficient, i don't know about amoled
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thought the X has SLCD2 and the S has SAMOLED
i have a feeling they carefully balanced the **** out between the two models so there's no clear battery winner....
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Congratulations, you found one of the few use cases where all four cores are used.
I have owned the transformer prime tf201 for a month before returning it, and was not massively impressed by the tegra 3.
Under honeycomb it felt virtually the same as the tf101, apart from home screen navigation. The browser was horrendous and considerably worse than my galaxy s2.
On ICS the whole thing was a massive improvement, but sadly the browser (any of them) was still not as good as the ipad2, and even the galaxy s2. I suspect in most cases, the qualcomm s4 will simply feel faster (and browsing in particular im hoping).
Tegra 3 was VERY impressive for media playback though and games aswell, however, there are barely any games on the market that the adreno 205 can not handle let alone the 220/225.
Adreno 220 in s3 was bottlenecked, 225 in s4 should be a lot better and close to tegra 3 gpu.
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I'm using Asus transformer prime for last 3 months and I think its the best pad right now. It replaced my iPad 2. Tegra 3 is fast at everything. Especially with ICS.
Can hardly wait for One X.
There is nothing better for multitasking than T3 right now. And I use it quite often on phone too.
Companion core should bring good battery life too.
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I plan to buy xperia play possibly this week or next month.
But im afraid there will be a new xperia play coming soon with higher specs.
Or there will be no xperia play 2?
I doubt it though because there already a quad core phones in the market
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i would like a quad core processor tegra 3 clocked maybe at 2ghz , at least 1 gb of dual channel ram, a 720p display, better backlight and 12 mega pixel camera
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I'm thinking xperia play 2 is 6 months to 1 year away. If you can wait that long for a new phone, then I would. Otherwise you'll get major phone envy when a new one comes out and you aren't due for an upgrade for another year past that.
ttiimm said:
i would like a quad core processor tegra 3 clocked maybe at 2ghz , at least 1 gb of dual channel ram, a 720p display, better backlight and 12 mega pixel camera
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You wish that to be on xperia play 2? That would be beast
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crono141 said:
I'm thinking xperia play 2 is 6 months to 1 year away. If you can wait that long for a new phone, then I would. Otherwise you'll get major phone envy when a new one comes out and you aren't due for an upgrade for another year past that.
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Lets see. But I'd probably wait.
What do you guys think? Is xperia play still worth to buy this year?
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Izzy Stinson said:
Lets see. But I'd probably wait.
What do you guys think? Is xperia play still worth to buy this year?
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I bougth mine this year, abou 1,5 ago and i´m very pleased with my decision.
Got mine in August and still love it to this day
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I don't care about the specs as long as they put in a bigger battery and fix the defect in the slider design.
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i think that the new play shud have better specs than present play cuz really when i saw this phone i expected better graphics nothing else but graphics i saw that either an ipod touch has better graphics than a play or gameloft jus isnt trying for android
S4pro chipset would be best, dualcore krait with adreno 320. However i think it will probably be standard S4.
RealMcoy said:
i think that the new play shud have better specs than present play cuz really when i saw this phone i expected better graphics nothing else but graphics i saw that either an ipod touch has better graphics than a play or gameloft jus isnt trying for android
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i'm pretty sure gameloft doesn't care about android.
MrHaPpY66 said:
i'm pretty sure gameloft doesn't care about android.
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Gameloft cares about whatever gives them the most money, which is iOS.
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RealMcoy said:
i think that the new play shud have better specs than present play cuz really when i saw this phone i expected better graphics nothing else but graphics i saw that either an ipod touch has better graphics than a play or gameloft jus isnt trying for android
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agreed. playing around with ipad 3 today and the graphics are like super hd
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Gameloft cares about whatever gives them the most money, which is iOS.
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enough said.
im currently using an xperia mini pro and the specs are nearly the same as play except it has smaller screen. i noticed there are many android games lag on my mini pro therefore so does the play correct?
so my point is, should i wait for a new play comes out probably a dual core processor is enought at least ir should i just buy it cos there will be no xperia play 2 this year at least???
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enough said.
im currently using an xperia mini pro and the specs are nearly the same as play except it has smaller screen. i noticed there are many android games lag on my mini pro therefore so does the play correct?
so my point is, should i wait for a new play comes out probably a dual core processor is enought at least ir should i just buy it cos there will be no xperia play 2 this year at least???
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Well, my new phone is dual-core and a lot of games perform just the same as on the play. Some are even worse. I think it depends heavily on the developers and the game itself.
The problem is that Android games in general aren't written in a very efficient way, and aren't optimized well for a wide enough range of phones. Some games run better on Qualcomm, some better on Samsung chips.. Nothing seems to be optimized across the board from what I've seen.
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i would really like to see a new Xplay be released from sony
sony ericsson really dissapointed me with the Xplay they brought out
If they're smart, they won't touch the resolution, because they should be keen enough to figure out that changing the resolution would compromise and sacrifice from the 300+ games Xperia Play already has under it's belt.
With Xperia Play already running everything buttery-smooth on it's 1GHz snapdragon, dual-core/quad-core isn't really necessary... but we all know that media outlets will assure it's publicly DOA with idiotic conjectures about how it'll be behind the curve at launch if they don't (if only the general public could see how well Xperia Play keeps up with the *beasts* like SGS2 in Android's highest-end games)... so might as well slam a spec-whore processor in there to shut them up.
Doubling or quadrupling the RAM wouldn't hurt as long as they keep their focus on quality over quantity as highly as they did by choosing the ELPIDA chip they chose this time around, and doing something about that absolutely puny internal storage would definitely aid us in the combat against Gameloft's phone storage-whoring bastards.
Otherwise, nothing should change. Bump up what needs to be bumped up without compromising what they've established.
TLRtheory said:
If they're smart, they won't touch the resolution, because they should be keen enough to figure out that changing the resolution would compromise and sacrifice from the 300+ games Xperia Play already has under it's belt.
With Xperia Play already running everything buttery-smooth on it's 1GHz snapdragon, dual-core/quad-core isn't really necessary... but we all know that media outlets will assure it's publicly DOA with idiotic conjectures about how it'll be behind the curve at launch if they don't (if only the general public could see how well Xperia Play keeps up with the *beasts* like SGS2 in Android's highest-end games)... so might as well slam a spec-whore processor in there to shut them up.
Doubling or quadrupling the RAM wouldn't hurt as long as they keep their focus on quality over quantity as highly as they did by choosing the ELPIDA chip they chose this time around, and doing something about that absolutely puny internal storage would definitely aid us in the combat against Gameloft's phone storage-whoring bastards.
Otherwise, nothing should change. Bump up what needs to be bumped up without compromising what they've established.
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It would be interesting if they did a retina display-esque exact double of the current resolution though
The display should be 720p at least, yes, it will probably break a few games, but the benefits far outweigh the cost, most of those apps will be updated for 720p, or should have been written in a way to upscale to begin with. Hardware will likely be S4 or S4pro from what I can see from Sony so far and would be a good choice in keeping compatibility with current titles.
TLR whilst your steadfast resolve in defence of the plays specs is very admirable, and I would echo them myself on occasion, updating the plays specs is a must, Sony themselves have said that they had to do a lot of rework on ics to run on phones with such low ram, whilst the play might be able to run current gen games fine, it wont have a chance at many future upcoming titles, ive played gta3 on a sgs2, ...whilst the controls are terrible, theres a massive difference in overall performance.
Most of these games run well on the play to begin with because they were built with the sgs/xplay 1ghz single core cpu/gpu in mind, because they comprise a large portion of the market, that wont be the case in 6 months, soon these phones will be relegated to the low end, and just like pcs, your phone will be too obsolete to run the current games. I havent seen any games made yet that really push the sgs2 or even higher end phones to anywhere near their potential.
Also, i would be quite happy to see the occasional lag and force kills of running apps disappear. I do agree that they need to continue the good work they have done so far, the form factor and controls are good, expandable memory, removable battery, all that jaz, all I could really ask for is proper analog sticks and larger/better positioned volume up/down for gaming doubleduty.