anyone got this overclocked
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And instantly overheated? :cyclops:
Yes .
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Gpu overclock would be more useful than CPU.
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Gpu overclock would be more useful than CPU.
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ok gpu overclock then?
I would overclock my HOX...in a block of ice. Or...well, in real life i dont want to overclock it because it would smoke out in my hand
Overheating is a big problem even without overclocking, imagine it running on 1,6ghz...
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Can't really see why you would want to overclock the One X, the phone is blazing fast anyway, 4 cores at 1.5 is enough..
But like everybody else said, the phone would probably burn up..
I wouldnt overclock my device - at least not at the stage we reached now.
Why?
a) As long as there is no way to lower the voltage this might toast your device - its a unibody, keep that in mind!
b) 100 MHZ more would have literally no effect - its a 6 GHZ device, even if you boost it up to 6,4 - you wont notice, it will just drain your battery.
6 GHZ is WAY enough...this is smartphone...I mean...seriously...its got more power than my 4 years old 1K €uro notebook...
Illux said:
I wouldnt overclock my device - at least not at the stage we reached now.
Why?
a) As long as there is no way to lower the voltage this might toast your device - its a unibody, keep that in mind!
b) 100 MHZ more would have literally no effect - its a 6 GHZ device, even if you boost it up to 6,4 - you wont notice, it will just drain your battery.
6 GHZ is WAY enough...this is smartphone...I mean...seriously...its got more power than my 4 years old 1K €uro notebook...
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well first of all you can't just multiply the frequency by the number of cores. I'd much prefer an actual 6Ghz single core processor over 4x1.5Ghz because it won't have any compatibility and efficiency issues. Assuming they are of the same architecture and power usage of course.
Also the ARM low power SOCs probably don't have comparable number of commands per clock cycle as an x86 high performance CPU, even if it's 4 years old.
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well first of all you can't just multiply the frequency by the number of cores. I'd much prefer an actual 6Ghz single core processor over 4x1.5Ghz because it won't have any compatibility and efficiency issues. Assuming they are of the same architecture and power usage of course.
Also the ARM low power SOCs probably don't have comparable number of commands per clock cycle as an x86 high performance CPU, even if it's 4 years old.
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i agree.. when the multi-core CPUs first came out intel said doubling the core number would give as 47% boost in total performance (not x2 like apple says as they do not know it) lets assume that to be %50 to make the math a little bit easier..
so basically we can make the math here as; 4 cores at 1.2Ghz (when the all 4 active the clock is 1.2Ghz) gives us 1.2 x 3/2 x 3/2= 2.7 Ghz single core performance.. this value for SGS3 is; 1.4 x 3/2 x 3/2= 3.15Ghz
and here we can say dual core at (X) Ghz gives us (X) x 3/2=2.7 thus the (X) = 1.8 Ghz.. so, if you overclock any arm9 based Dual CPU to 1.8 Ghz you get the same performance "on paper".. if you want to catch up with SGS3 we need to OC it to 2.1 Ghz which is impossible at the moment i guess..
what makes the difference here is the lower loads or multiple loads on the CPU.. corecontrol users probably would have noticed; sometimes when the all 4 core are active the clock is only 480 or 640 Mhz (even 320 sometimes if i remember correctly) .. the same amount of load could be taken care of by a dual core at about 720 or 960Mhz.. but here the quad core system stays cooler with a little less energy consumed (or wasted) (as long as all the cores are in one uni-body structure, putting 2 or 4 single cores phsically together is not the case for our smartphones) this is how apple made sure about the smoothness of the ipad 2, new ipad and the iphone 4s.. they used lower clocked 2 power vr 543 GPUs.. when the load is little they can clock down to very low speeds and share the load..
and also you can always find an emtpy core waiting for new task when the others are busy..
so, long story for short; if we were dealing with a little amount but hard processes, having a single core at 2.7Ghz would be good since the quad core design would not cut one task into 4 pieces... as long as we were not thinking about the battery life and the heat.. but since we are dealing with lots of tasks which all could be handled by 1.2Ghz power having 4 cores is better for battery saving and having an empty core for a new task to run parallel with the other running tasks in the background..
It is OC out of the box I think Nvidia OC them for us and it's already pushing itself at the very edge of what is possible for it to do based on temperature, I seem to remember Hamdir saying something along those lines once upon a time...
Why bother to OC it's fast enough as it is.
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only faux kernel betas allow OC
big warning OC is bad for the HOX given the thermal envelope
you are risking both you battery and processor if you OC
i know you are used to OC from other devices but those had headroom, it is not the case this time, T3 is operating at its max thermal capabilities on the HOX
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hamdir said:
the snapdragon 2 on the Arc had a lot of headroom
the chipset is rated @ 1.5ghz stable!
not the case with T3 its milking the very maximum of the 40nm process
in other words Nvidia is OCing its T3 out of box because their chips are designed to survive massive amount of heat (sadly it doesnt mean the battery or other components would survive)
it is already Overclocked lol
sometimes you have to listen to the "science" of it and surrender
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Hello.
My friend say that he can over clock this thing to 1.5 ghz but i don't believe him.
So what is the maximum clock speed?
800mhz and it's unstable.
Your friend is bullshitting. No way can a lower end single core be clocked that fast, it would simply just burn out.
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Hello.
My friend say that he can over clock this thing to 1.5 ghz but i don't believe him.
So what is the maximum clock speed?
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+1 and A very very big lie of your friend
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You can't oveclock over 800 mhz. Ok maybe i lie, you can overclock over 800 mhz but it be hot like sun in core. sorry for my English
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800mhz and it's unstable.
Your friend is bullshitting. No way can a lower end single core be clocked that fast, it would simply just burn out.
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Hahahahaha... Your wrong. My MARVEL is totally stable and well... read my signature
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Hahahahaha... Your wrong. My MARVEL is totally stable and well... read my signature
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There is absolutely no rule of thumb for overclocking.
One CPU might handle 800+ MHz (806 MHz seems to be reached by benjamingwynn - nice speed!) and other might handle only 760-780 MHz stable for example. Don't forget that overclocking isn't an exact science. It more like an art!
It depends on many variables: the batch, the place in the wafer where you CPU came from, the voltage you're pumping, the cooling provided, etc.
Some CPU's don't need much voltage in order to scale speed, others need a big voltage increase in order to handle the extra speed. And there are others that simply don't scale well and can only handle weak overclocks.
And of course there is always a theoretical limit.
Anyone who says that he/she can overclock a 600MHz CPU to 1.5GHz lies with all the teeth and is an ignorant, with all due respect.
I know no CPU in the world that can overclock to 150%. Not even with extreme cooling (Liquid Nitrogen or other Subzero solutions) and other crazy mods. Now imagine this on a small device like a smartphone, where you can't properly change the cooling of the CPU in order to cope with the extra heat generated.
The phone would most likely burn in smokes.
I know a little bit about this matter because I have experience in overclocking PC CPU's. I know most about Intel CPU's (Dual and Quad-Cores, still haven't touched a hexa-core...), cooled on air or with liquid cooling.
The PC I work with every day has a Quad-Core CPU that is 3.2 GHz stock (QX9770) and is running at 4 GHz. It can handle more but the extra heat and voltage needed isn't worth the extra speed (and the accelerated degradation of the CPU).
Sorry for the offtopic guys but I had to reply to this anecdote.
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There is absolutely no rule of thumb for overclocking.
One CPU might handle 800+ MHz (806 MHz seems to be reached) and other might handle only 766 MHz stable for example. Don't forget that overclocking isn't an exact science. It more like an art!
It depends on many variables: the batch, the place in the wafer where you CPU came from, the voltage you're pumping, the cooling provided, etc.
Some CPU's don't need much voltage in order to scale speed, others need a big voltage increase in order to handle the extra speed. And there are others that simply don't scale well and handle weak overclocks.
And of course there is always a theoretical limit.
Anyone who says that he/she can overclock a 600MHz CPU to 1.5GHz lies with all the teeth and is an ignorant, with all due respect.
There is no CPU in the world that can overclock to 150%. Not even with extreme cooling (Liquid Nitrogen or other Subzero solutions) and other crazy mods. Now imagine this on a small device like a smartphone, where you can't properly change the cooling of the CPU in order to cope with the extra heat generated.
The phone would most likely burn in smokes.
I know a little bit about this matter because I have experience in overclocking PC CPU's. I know most about Intel CPU's (Dual and Quad-Cores, still haven't touched a hexa-core...), cooled on air or with liquid cooling.
The PC I work with every day has a Quad-Core CPU that is 3.2 GHz stock (QX9770) and is running at 4 GHz. It can handle more but the extra heat and voltage needed isn't worth the extra speed (and the accelerated degradation of the CPU).
Sorry for the offtopic guys but I had to reply to this anecdote.
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Totally agree.
great explanation for anyone wondering why their device won't overclock like somebody else's.
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There is absolutely no rule of thumb for overclocking.
One CPU might handle 800+ MHz (806 MHz seems to be reached by benjamingwynn - nice speed!) and other might handle only 760-780 MHz stable for example. Don't forget that overclocking isn't an exact science. It more like an art!
It depends on many variables: the batch, the place in the wafer where you CPU came from, the voltage you're pumping, the cooling provided, etc.
Some CPU's don't need much voltage in order to scale speed, others need a big voltage increase in order to handle the extra speed. And there are others that simply don't scale well and can only handle weak overclocks.
And of course there is always a theoretical limit.
Anyone who says that he/she can overclock a 600MHz CPU to 1.5GHz lies with all the teeth and is an ignorant, with all due respect.
I know no CPU in the world that can overclock to 150%. Not even with extreme cooling (Liquid Nitrogen or other Subzero solutions) and other crazy mods. Now imagine this on a small device like a smartphone, where you can't properly change the cooling of the CPU in order to cope with the extra heat generated.
The phone would most likely burn in smokes.
I know a little bit about this matter because I have experience in overclocking PC CPU's. I know most about Intel CPU's (Dual and Quad-Cores, still haven't touched a hexa-core...), cooled on air or with liquid cooling.
The PC I work with every day has a Quad-Core CPU that is 3.2 GHz stock (QX9770) and is running at 4 GHz. It can handle more but the extra heat and voltage needed isn't worth the extra speed (and the accelerated degradation of the CPU).
Sorry for the offtopic guys but I had to reply to this anecdote.
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Well said. This is very off topic but how would you overclock on windows? You have to mess about with the kernel right?
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Normally from the BIOS.
But you can also overclock from within windows using certain applications.
BIOS is the better option.
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Normally from the BIOS.
But you can also overclock from within windows using certain applications.
BIOS is the better option.
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I got a laptop and I bet you haven't seen the BIOS setup on a Sininia 510 or you would break down crying.
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I got a laptop and I bet you haven't seen the BIOS setup on a Sininia 510 or you would break down crying.
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A lot of laptops have crippled bios's so there is no overclock options mainly due to the heat/cooling factor.
Laptops run pretty hot already.
Does your laptop have any overclock/frequency Settings?
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Well said. This is very off topic but how would you overclock on windows? You have to mess about with the kernel right?
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All the finetuning (voltages and so on) is done in the BIOS. My motherboard is actually designed for overclocking.
It's an "old" Asus Rampage Extreme.
You would be amazed with the amount of settings it has!
It also comes with Windows software that allows some realtime adjustments but the "core" lies in the BIOS.
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You can't oveclock over 800 mhz. Ok maybe i lie, you can overclock over 800 mhz but it be hot like sun in core. sorry for my English
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806 here and never frozen once in months...Runs cool too. Once of the lucky ones I guess.
Yep I'm in the 806 club too.
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Yep I'm in the 806 club too.
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Mine also runes ok with 806 setting
miguelca i'am on 1055t oc'ed to 3.9 24h...(hyper 212+ push-pull)
I'm running on 768 and it is fast enough. You can feel that the device gets warmer with 806 and needs a bit more battery.
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Mine also runes ok with 806 setting
miguelca i'am on 1055t oc'ed to 3.9 24h...(hyper 212+ push-pull)
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Nice OC aigaming! but never forget that CPU's do degrade over time, even if some people tell you the contrary.
If you keep your CPU cool and don't give it too much voltage to "eat", then everything should be fine for a long time. Still don't abuse it too much, this is my personal advice.
You have a nice cooler and with a push pull config it should keep things cool.
Mine is an old Tuniq Tower 120 (copper block lapped by me when I still had lots of patience) with the stock fan changed. I don't use the fan controller that came with the cooler btw.
My CPU used to be cooled on liquid but I have a way too limited case in order to accomodate the radiators, pump, reservatory, etc. Sold all the gear.
Keeping my beast at 4GHz on air is VERY NICE.
Once again sorry for the offtopic guys. I had to reply to this. I know I could have used a PM but I'm in a hurry.
I wish the HTC 2.3.5 RUU would have a kernel with overclock option for the CPU...
Anyone available to change the HTC RUU with an overclockable kernel?
Or am I saying nonsense? Probably CRC check would fail and I could only flash it with temp-root, right?
Would really appreciate being able to push my CPU just a little bit more...
The only single-cores I know of that can actually reach 1.5Ghz overclocked are devices running a Qualcomm MSM7x30 (Desire Z) or an MSM8255 (Desire HD/Xperia Play/Sensation XL [stock speed, same processor]/etc).
Does using setCPU with the Tegra 3 and it's 5th core muck up the Tegra 3's native power saving capability (ie. using the fifth core as a low energy solution for minimal activities)?
Has anyone seen tests of battery use with and without?
What I have seen from my use over the past week or so with SetCPU is that you can set the governor and the minimum clock both of which have an effect (although minimum clock is not strictly adhered to).
I don't believe the 5th core is exposed to the android OS so SetCPU shouldn't effect that at all.
I'm testing the beta and no it does not effect the max 100% of the time the tegra power management seems to kick in. I have informed mike (setcpu author) about this issue he is looking in to it.
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I guess set cpu is not supported quad core yet
As James pointed out, the 5th Slave core is Transparent and not visible to Android, so it 'shouldn't' be effected by SetCpu
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I guess set cpu is not supported quad core yet
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It supports quad core CPU scaling, the question is about the 5th core.
That the 5th core is invisible does make it seem like it wouldn't effect this issue, however I would like to understand a bit more about how it works to be sure.
From what I understand, when processor use is low and the CPU is scaled below 500mhz(?) then the 5th core alone is used, whereas at higher frequencies the other 4 cores are fully engaged.
I would just be worried that setting the CPU speed through methods other than whatever method HTC/nvidia had arranged for might negate this benefit. It'd be good to know from the setCPU guy what's going on, since he likely understands a lot about how CPU scaling works...
Here's my Feedback on using SetCPU with HOX:
When trying to underclock my phone
Max: 1000 Min:51
Result: rebooted within 5 minutes and then kept on doing this untill I reset the SetCpu settings to phone defaults and uninstalled
similar user experience here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1596992&highlight=setcpu
I have seen that there is an app created for the HOX:
CoreControl: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1652136
I want to give this a go and I feel this a relevant topic to be stickied maybe under a different Topic Title ie. Custom CPU settings
Will install CoreControl and revert...
BTW: what settings have you tried using with SetCPU to underclock that doesnt result in a random reboot and that works, also what version of setCpu are you using
system tuner will allow to set the clocks for T3 properly
CoreControl is for enable/disable cores, not for overclock/underclock, I've been using it for a while, at least my HOX doesn't heat up much
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Man it would be nice top have core control on the thrill
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CoreControl Feedback
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CoreControl is for enable/disable cores, not for overclock/underclock, I've been using it for a while, at least my HOX doesn't heat up much
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I can now concur with @vegasphinx it doesn't heat up as much and I dont notice the difference besides the toastie popping up every so often saying CoreControl has been granted SU
can any of you give me an idea how to setup the Battery Stats within CoreControl
It crashes because there's no kernal that supports overclock/underclock.
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Hello,
I read lots of articles about how the Tegra 3 only scores well in benchmarks because of its 4 cores, which are overkill in almost all real world scenarios. So I was interested to find out how the the Tegra 3 would do if you made it a Dual Core, like the S4.
I ran Antutu three times, running stock everything (except root), and the lowest I got was 7114.
I know it is not very reliable to use one benchmark, but in my opinion, neither is using quadrant which is made by Qualcomm.
I find it interesting to see that the Tegra 3 scores considerably more than the S4, even with the same number of cores.
What are your thoughts? What do you think caused this? What does it mean?
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not too sure why it would still win hands down *shrugs*
How does the real world speed with 2 cores disabled though?
And does it seem to save any battery if you've had it going for a while.
I've had it set to two cores only for a few days. It makes NO difference to anything but benchmark scores (even antutu still shows 60 FPS in the graphics tests). Games like Dark Meadow THD run exactly the same as before.
I'm not too sure how it has affected the battery life as I installed a mod that lowers the auto brightness at the same time. All I can say is the combination of the two has dramatically increased the life of the battery
So the GPU is bottleneck (surprise)
Which GPU are you referring it?
maybe the benchmark tests are yet to be fully optimised for 4 cores?
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Hello,
I read lots of articles about how the Tegra 3 only scores well in benchmarks because of its 4 cores, which are overkill in almost all real world scenarios. So I was interested to find out how the the Tegra 3 would do if you made it a Dual Core, like the S4.
I ran Antutu three times, running stock everything (except root), and the lowest I got was 7114.
I know it is not very reliable to use one benchmark, but in my opinion, neither is using quadrant which is made by Qualcomm.
I find it interesting to see that the Tegra 3 scores considerably more than the S4, even with the same number of cores.
What are your thoughts? What do you think caused this? What does it mean?
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My guess is the reason the Tegra 3 with 2 cores running scores lower than the Snapdragon S4 is because the Tegra 3 has 4 A9 cores, whereas the Snapdragon has 2 cores that are closer to the A15 architecture, which is a faster chip. A15 will be quicker than A9 if the same number of cores are being used in each chipset.
My One X scores around 11000 with four cores and, as you can see, 7114 with two cores. In just curious to know why with two cores it scores around 1000 more than the S4 version?
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My guess is the reason the Tegra 3 with 2 cores running scores lower than the Snapdragon S4 is because the Tegra 3 has 4 A9 cores, whereas the Snapdragon has 2 cores that are closer to the A15 architecture, which is a faster chip. A15 will be quicker than A9 if the same number of cores are being used in each chipset.
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I think you misunderstood, the Tegra with two A9 scored greater than the Snapdragon. If you were correct, I would not be as surprised as I am and would not have started this thread.
Out of curiosity what are you using to lock the 2 cores?
Wouldn't mind trying it out myself
Open root explorer.
Go to sys/kernel/debug/tegra_hotplug
Open max_cpus in text editor, change 4 to 2 or 3 (Single core does not work).
Open it again to check it has saved properly and it will go back to 4 the next time you reboot the phone.
You know Tegra 3 has 5 cores instead of 4 cores in the A9 architecture right? So you basically did the benchmark with 3 cores instead of 2.
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5th core is just a low clock speed / power to run idle tasks?
Doubt it would do much to a benchmark test.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the companion core can only be used on its own while the main processor is shut off. Even if it could 'assist' the main processor, it's only around 300mhz and would make very little difference to the score of a benchmark.
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You know Tegra 3 has 5 cores instead of 4 cores in the A9 architecture right? So you basically did the benchmark with 3 cores instead of 2.
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From what i know the 5th companion core is invisible to the system so 2 would be correct in the max_cpu edit.
I refer to my previous question which was why is the dual core tegra 3 doing BETTER than the dual core S4? Is it down to the GPU?
well that's revealing indeed, what's more interesting is how the included governors work
on-demand quad max 1400mhz conservative in jumping to max
interactive three cores only 1400mhz max jumps more often
performance three cores only locks at 1200mhz and jumps to 1400mhz on stress
glowball frame rate suffer badly when running less the 4 cores
you can see at default ondemand tegra3 is always juggling on 4 cores but rarely peaking to max clocks
While it indeed sucks as a useful tool, you should be aware that Quadrant is not a Qualcomm program...perhaps you're confusing it with the antiquated NeoCore benchmark. Vellamo is Qualcomm as well.
Sorry Vellano is Qualcomm not Quadrant. My mistake.
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I refer to my previous question which was why is the dual core tegra 3 doing BETTER than the dual core S4? Is it down to the GPU?
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If you are referring to the s4 in the htc one s then id like to know where you got your information indicating that the tegra is still faster in dual core when in quad the s4 still out performs it. The s4 scores over 12000 compared to 11500 that the tegra does and well over 7000 that it does in dual core mode....
The older a9 however found in older phones such as the sensation is another story with that chip scoring in about 6500
Can someone tell me where I can find over-clock able kernel for my international One X? And what is the biggest clock speed on ONE X?
At present faux kernel can oc depending on what variant CPU you have but max at 1.6ghz
I have a v2 and can do 1.55 quad fine
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Eternity Project has an OC version up to 1.7GHz single core and 1.6GHz quad core
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Eternity Project has an OC version up to 1.7GHz single core and 1.6GHz quad core
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Can you post link?
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Can you post link?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1640532
Be careful of OC, always remember, not all chips are made equal
About last Repacked Eternity Project for ARHD 9.x.x
Hello,
I try the Last repacked eternity project kernel for ARHD 9.x.x the Kernel: 3.4 v0.38 (Overclocked) at :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1654982
But the module file was repacked for CMW ROM.
Who find good repacked module corresponding to this kernel ?
Thank you for jour help.
Underclock
As this thread is about setting CPU speeds, can somebody help me with my problem as no one is responding?
Its about underclocking..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1868011
Thanks in advance!
how does the OC work? i mean then running all our core it is limited to 1.2 ghz and is 1.5 on a single core.
does that men all cores run at the OC value or just the single core?
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I suggest you flash faux's kernel.
It can oc to 1.6GHZ for most user~
and it support s2W!
I expect many users will be aware of this information, but just in case you aren't.
Anyone overclocking should be aware that this will usually lead to higher power consumption which leads to more heat produced and lower battery life.
Especially if it is necessary to overvolt to acheive higher clock frequencies with stability.
Power consumption is proportional to Voltage squared, so small increases in core coltage can result in larger increases in power consumption than mught be thought.
Needless to say this can have negative impacts on battery discharge time and overall life (due to higher temperatures).
Plus there may be some throttling back of frequency if high temperatures are reached. Also possible that frequency may be reduced to 1Ghz maximum when battery voltage is low (i.e when discharged)
Hope this is helpful (first post here)
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I expect many users will be aware of this information, but just in case you aren't.
Anyone overclocking should be aware that this will usually lead to higher power consumption which leads to more heat produced and lower battery life.
Especially if it is necessary to overvolt to acheive higher clock frequencies with stability.
Power consumption is proportional to Voltage squared, so small increases in core coltage can result in larger increases in power consumption than mught be thought.
Needless to say this can have negative impacts on battery discharge time and overall life (due to higher temperatures).
Plus there may be some throttling back of frequency if high temperatures are reached. Also possible that frequency may be reduced to 1Ghz maximum when battery voltage is low (i.e when discharged)
Hope this is helpful (first post here)
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CPU throttle starts at 85c with thermal TJ-max of 99c.
also there is many debates about this, higher speed need more power which drains battery, but that said it means work gets faster meaning it can idle faster saving power, same the other side slower speeds save power but take longer to get work done using more power.
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stefan063 said:
Can someone tell me where I can find over-clock able kernel for my international One X? And what is the biggest clock speed on ONE X?
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Go to Faux123 and read the opening post
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1647993
it will teach you about Tegra 3 variants.
Flash Faux123 latest kernel to know what variant you have.
You can have 1.5ghz quadcore minimum, except if you have the poor variant0 of the Tegra 3, and 1.6ghz quadcore max if you have variant 3
So the overclocking you can achieve depends on your Tegra 3 variant, whatever the kernel, don't trust the figures in kernel threads titles, they just give the max if you have variant 3. And the majority of people have variant 1 so limited to 1.5ghz quadcore and there's nothing to do about it, no future kernel can change the way your CPU was manufactured.
Just, SetCPU can display 1.6ghz or more, but if you have variant 0 or 1 it will never use it (CPUspy will say 1550 and 1600 are unused frequencies)
Variant 1 can go upt to 1550mhz but not for quadcore, so who cares....! Same for kernels claiming up to 1.7ghz, it's in single/dual core, so once more, who cares?
What is important is what max speed you can achieve in quadcore, nothing else, and the limits are clearly defined by your Tegra3 variant
"all chips are not created equal" was a silly bull**** invented more than one year ago as an easy answer to noobs claiming they couldn't overclock their dual core at their max. Now, on the One-X and because of Nvidia unstable quality"all chips are not created equal" is sadly the truth.
PS: wrong=> to say that overclocking means more voltage, undervolting a custom kernel a little can surprisingly reduce heat when you push your CPU to its max,I can have both 1500mhz quadcore and less voltage than stock, as well as less heat (I was surprised, really, on the Sensation I had always found undervolting kinda useless)
PPS: true=> thermal throttle will always come pretty soon and reduce your max speed......
i900frenchaddict said:
Go to Faux123 and read the opening post
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1647993
it will teach you about Tegra 3 variants.
Flash Faux123 latest kernel to know what variant you have.
You can have 1.5ghz quadcore minimum, except if you have the poor variant0 of the Tegra 3, and 1.6ghz quadcore max if you have variant 3
So the overclocking you can achieve depends on your Tegra 3 variant, whatever the kernel, don't trust the figures in kernel threads titles, they just give the max if you have variant 3. And the majority of people have variant 1 so limited to 1.5ghz quadcore and there's nothing to do about it, no future kernel can change the way your CPU was manufactured.
Just, SetCPU can display 1.6ghz or more, but if you have variant 0 or 1 it will never use it (CPUspy will say 1550 and 1600 are unused frequencies)
Variant 1 can go upt to 1550mhz but not for quadcore, so who cares....! Same for kernels claiming up to 1.7ghz, it's in single/dual core, so once more, who cares?
What is important is what max speed you can achieve in quadcore, nothing else, and the limits are clearly defined by your Tegra3 variant
"all chips are not created equal" was a silly bull**** invented more than one year ago as an easy answer to noobs claiming they couldn't overclock their dual core at their max. Now, on the One-X and because of Nvidia unstable quality"all chips are not created equal" is sadly the truth.
PS: wrong=> to say that overclocking means more voltage, undervolting a custom kernel a little can surprisingly reduce heat when you push your CPU to its max,I can have both 1500mhz quadcore and less voltage than stock, as well as less heat (I was surprised, really, on the Sensation I had always found undervolting kinda useless)
PPS: true=> thermal throttle will always come pretty soon and reduce your max speed......
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Nice words and I just won't to add variant 1 can now go to 1.55ghz with faux 07vf I'm currently usein with the lowest most stable undervolt values and less heat than stock kernel and gameplay is amazing also on arhd 9.4
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treebill said:
CPU throttle starts at 85c with thermal TJ-max of 99c.
also there is many debates about this, higher speed need more power which drains battery, but that said it means work gets faster meaning it can idle faster saving power, same the other side slower speeds save power but take longer to get work done using more power.
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Your argument makes sense, but unless the governor is very efficient at controlling the CPU speed very quickly, in most cases your argument doesn’t hold true. For example when playing a game or running a CPU intensive application (where overclocking has any use) the processor works at full speed for the duration of the application.
EDIT: Frankly I don’t see any point in overclocking a phone like One X. I don’t play many games, but the few games I have played ran very smoothly. And if people are overclocking because of the (barely noticeable) laggy UI then overclocking is not a real fix anyway. Installing a custom ROM (perhaps JB), a different launcher, tweaking background apps/services are some of the more sensible and effective things to do instead.
No disrespect to the devs who are working on overclocking, but IMO HTC and nVidia must have spent a considerable amount of time and effort designing the CPU and deciding the optimal operational parameters to maximize performance while minimizing battery drain. Therefore anything out of those parameters (in theory at least) should impact either stability, or battery life. Perhaps the values HTC has decided are not the maximum possible values , because I assume they would have designed the phone to handle few exceptional conditions (i.e: extremely hot weathers). But I think over clocking would probably cause more problems in the long run than whatever the little gains you experience in short term. Just my 2c.
joewong1991 said:
Nice words and I just won't to add variant 1 can now go to 1.55ghz with faux 07vf I'm currently usein with the lowest most stable undervolt values and less heat than stock kernel and gameplay is amazing also on arhd 9.4
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Late reply, I hope you'll read it anyway
I tried faux 007b5, so overclock free too, I had 1.55ghz indeed, but never for quadcore, just for single or dual. Sadly I wasn't able to reach 1.5ghz quadcore but 1.4
With 007u, I have 1.5ghz quadcore, but 1.55 is an unused frequency
Can you check, with tegrastats, if you reach 1.55ghz quadcore or only for 1,2 (or3??) cores?
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Late reply, I hope you'll read it anyway
I tried faux 007b5, so overclock free too, I had 1.55ghz indeed, but never for quadcore, just for single or dual. Sadly I wasn't able to reach 1.5ghz quadcore but 1.4
With 007u, I have 1.5ghz quadcore, but 1.55 is an unused frequency
Can you check, with tegrastats, if you reach 1.55ghz quadcore or only for 1,2 (or3??) cores?
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I tried tegrastats and I got 1.55 4 cores for about 20 sec and then 2 shut of and then ran 2 at 1150 playin dead trigger and on cod zombies 2 cores at 1350 witch I find strange faux 0105b
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According to HTC website, the SnapDragon 810 in the M9 is supposed to be clocked at 4x 2GHz cores, 4x 1.5GHz cores.
Both CPU Stats and CPU-Z report a max speed of 1.5GHz...
Are we being sold underclocked devices?
I know about the supposed "thermal issues" but to advertise a device at 2GHz but ship it at 1.5Ghz is a bit naughty.
Can anyone confirm their device is running at 2GHz?
TIA
Aaron
Screenshots?
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Or better yet, how about a video? I'm little weary because of all the crapsung trolls in these forums.
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Screenshots?
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Or better yet, how about a video? I'm little weary because of all the crapsung trolls in these forums.
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No video, don't worry, I'm not a troll - just look at *all* of my previous posts, all in HTC Wizard/Kaiser/Desire/One X forums, along with Asus TF300T.
Well I hope that isn't true, for HTC's sake. If it is true then that means this phone did in fact overheat..
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Well I hope that isn't true, for HTC's sake. If it is true then that means this phone did in fact overheat..
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Indeed, that's why I want to know if others have devices running at 2GHz and this is just an error in these apps. But, if they are clocking at 1.5, they shouldn't be advertising it as being 2 on their website and everywhere else.
Reading around it is in fact advertised as 1.5 GHz
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Reading around it is in fact advertised as 1.5 GHz
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Snapshot from HTC UK this afternoon - note the timestamp on my screengrab...
4x2.0 and 4x1.5
So 4 at 2ghz and 4 at 1.5ghz.
In assuming the app is only measuring the max of a few cores and assuming the rest are the same.
Put the phone in performance mode and look at the speed of each core to see where they are set
I get mine tomorrow, I'm definitely going to check.
superchilpil said:
4x2.0 and 4x1.5
So 4 at 2ghz and 4 at 1.5ghz.
In assuming the app is only measuring the max of a few cores and assuming the rest are the same.
Put the phone in performance mode and look at the speed of each core to see where they are set
I get mine tomorrow, I'm definitely going to check.
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Good spot, installed Antutu and it recognises max speed of 1.9584GHz so it does look like it's not underclocked.
Running benchmark now - done, and it didn't get hot
" The new phone has a processor that’s theoretically faster, a higher-resolution camera, and other things that should make the new phone an upgrade from last year’s model. But early reviews suggest the new camera doesn’t take stellar photos, the battery life isn’t great, and in order to keep the CPU from overheating HTC recently pushed out a software update that reduces the clock speed… which means the new phone’s probably not much faster than last year’s model. "
http://liliputing.com/2015/03/htc-one-m9-pre-orders-open-march-27-649-unlocked.html
OK all. I've cleaned up the thread to remove the off topic bickering and left only posts that are relevant to the discussion based on the title and the OP.
Let's keep it civil and on topic please.
Thanks,
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Mine is a tad slow playing Football Manager Handheld 2015 which is much quicker on the Note 4 and M8. I think this may well be due to tinkering on HTC's part as during the game the phone is quite cool, but doing other tasks it gets quite hot.
I call shenanigans on HTC's part.
Jonathan-H said:
Mine is a tad slow playing Football Manager Handheld 2015 which is much quicker on the Note 4 and M8. I think this may well be due to tinkering on HTC's part as during the game the phone is quite cool, but doing other tasks it gets quite hot.
I call shenanigans on HTC's part.
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Understand that both of those other phones have 32 bit processor's, most apps are probably not optimized for 64bit. So that may be why that app is slower.
And yes you can be quite sure this phone has a thermal throttle, but don't be mistaken. So does every other phone out there.
/sys/bus/cpu/devices/cpu*/cpufreq
CPU's 0-3 cpuinfo_max_freq = 1555200
CPU's 4-7 cpuinfo_max_freq = 1958400
All that was tweaked is the interactive governor, it was too aggressive, none of the core clock speeds have been reduced
LeeDroid said:
/sys/bus/cpu/devices/cpu*/cpufreq
CPU's 0-3 cpuinfo_max_freq = 1555200
CPU's 4-7 cpuinfo_max_freq = 1958400
All that was tweaked is the interactive governor, it was too aggressive, none of the core clock speeds have been reduced
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@LeeDroid which cluster is 2ghz the A57 or A53?
in power saver mode the 1.5ghz cluster minimum reduces from 600mhz to 300mhz and the 2ghz cluster gets disabled, but i dont know which of which
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@LeeDroid which cluster is 2ghz the A57 or A53?
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That's the A57 mate.
None of the CPU stats Apps on the market offer support For octacore as yet, they will see that we have 8 cores but won't be looking at them directly
LeeDroid said:
That's the A57 mate.
None of the CPU stats Apps on the market offer support For octacore as yet, they will see that we have 8 cores but won't be looking at them directly
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in power saver mode the 1.5ghz cluster minimum reduces from 600mhz to 300mhz and the 2ghz cluster gets disabled, so according to this information the A57 cluster gets disabled completely in powersaver! the slow down is very evident in the camera
Nomal mode:
633mhz to 1958mhz
first 4 cores A53 cluster hover around it's maximum 1555mhz (capped)
second 4 cores A57 cluster around 700mhz idle, it goes all the way up to 1958mhz
CPU powersaver:
300mhz to 1552mhz
first 4 cores cluster A53 hover around it's maximum 1555mhz (capped)
second 4 cores A57 cluster disabled
GPU Adreno 430 speed between 190mhz and 600mhz, not affected by CPU powersaver, drivers [email protected] ([email protected])
when the device is warm (downloading non stop over wifi) battery temp around 39c, a little less load and the battery temp is around 36c
hamdir said:
in power saver mode the 1.5ghz cluster minimum reduces from 600mhz to 300mhz and the 2ghz cluster gets disabled, so according to this information the A57 cluster gets disabled completely in powersaver! the slow down is very evident in the camera
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Yeh that would make sense mate, dropping min freq on the a57 would likely cause freezing, power save bumps us down to a good old 1.5GHz QuadCore, camera is Damn resource hungry so the imminent slow down would also make sense.
LeeDroid said:
Yeh that would make sense mate, dropping min freq on the a57 would likely cause freezing, power save bumps us down to a good old 1.5GHz QuadCore, camera is Damn resource hungry so the imminent slow down would also make sense.
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how does 1.5ghz quad A53 compare to a 1.1ghz quad Krait400? if we are comparing powersavers M8 vs M9
also some correction:
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All that was tweaked is the interactive governor, it was too aggressive, none of the core clock speeds have been reduced
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that's not true, they also added thermal throttle to the GPU, all the way from 600mhz to 300mhz which also brings it down to M8 land (once throttled)
Ah indeed!
Hadn't considered the throttling, I don't tend to use power save a great deal however happy to do some comparisons when I have time