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This is for discussion about the recent news that we'll soon be disallowing posts to development forums for new users with 10 posts or less in an attempt to cut down on junk posts.
I believe is a good new way of lowering down the crap-posts
What else a normal member can do to help?
- Report any problematic post by using the "report" button
- Help to improve and maintain a friendly ambiance
Thanks!
>25 would be better.
It sounds very very good. I'd like to suggest a little thing:
is it possible to ban thread with "HELP me please" title?
This type of title is common and doesn't help to focus the problem.
Sorry but I think is not a good move.
I am massively effected by this move. My only posts and reads are in the development forums because I installed a "custom rom" the moment I purchased my new phone. There is no posting from me in the "other" forums.
How can I answer the maker of the custom rom?
Should i spam 10 meaningless posts in other forums just to get my right?
The term "development" in XDA is funny anyway because these forums have very little todo with development but with installing custom roms and other patches. They are not discussing "development" stuff in these forums.
Anyhow I would suggest to:
1. Have grace period of at least 1 day between registration and posting.
2. Have REAL development forums and separate ones for "custom kernels/roms" for the maker and their users.
Best Regards,
Daniel
spock2097 said:
Sorry but I think is not a good move.
I am massively effected by this move. My only posts and reads are in the development forums because I installed a "custom rom" the moment I purchased my new phone. There is no posting from me in the "other" forums.
How can I answer the maker of the custom rom?
Should i spam 10 meaningless posts in other forums just to get my right?
The term "development" in XDA is funny anyway because these forums have very little todo with development but with installing custom roms and other patches. They are not discussing "development" stuff in these forums.
Anyhow I would suggest to:
1. Have grace period of at least 1 day between registration and posting.
2. Have REAL development forums and separate ones for "custom kernels/roms" for the maker and their users.
Best Regards,
Daniel
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Daniel, I totally agree with you. These are very valid points. Many people lurk here, mainly because they don't want to look stupid when they ask questions - and then, when they get serious after gaining knowledge here, they try something and they can't post? That isn't right.
The biggest issue here at XDA is what I mentioned above - people are hesitant to post because of the reaction they frequently get - on the flip side, those that do post in the proper areas for questions and answers are lucky if they get answers sometimes, I've had questions go unanswered, when I posted in what I thought was the proper forum (never in the ROM development forums). So what I think you really need to do is to come up with a good support forum for custom ROMs, and have knowledgable people read and help out in there - no matter how 'dumb' the question is in their eyes. From my experience, the only 'dumb' question is the one you don't ask. Will that 'cut down' on the 'dumb' questions? Yes, in the ROM development forums it will - only if they're answered elsewhere, however.
You have to remember, Android doesn't come naturally to everyone, some come from other 'worlds' where they know what they're doing, then they're tossed into the thick of it when they try to make the switch (been there, done that). Are there people who really shouldn't be messing with their phones? Of course there are. Is it XDA's job to let them know they're too dumb to be messing? Or is it a better plan to help those people learn? I've always found the latter to be a better plan.
spock2097 said:
Sorry but I think is not a good move.
I am massively effected by this move. My only posts and reads are in the development forums because I installed a "custom rom" the moment I purchased my new phone. There is no posting from me in the "other" forums.
How can I answer the maker of the custom rom?
Should i spam 10 meaningless posts in other forums just to get my right?
The term "development" in XDA is funny anyway because these forums have very little todo with development but with installing custom roms and other patches. They are not discussing "development" stuff in these forums.
Anyhow I would suggest to:
1. Have grace period of at least 1 day between registration and posting.
2. Have REAL development forums and separate ones for "custom kernels/roms" for the maker and their users.
Best Regards,
Daniel
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Well, that is kind of the idea. If you have questions or are not sure about something, you are supposed to try and find the answers by using the search engine. If you must ask questions, most device forums have a Q&A section where you can post. Keep in mind that the announcement says that you will still be able to read, just not post.
As for the "no real development" comment... these forums are not just guides to teach others how to flash custom stuff. It is called development because the roms, kernels, themes, apps don't just magically appear from thin air. There is a lot of work done to get a custom rom to even boot in a device (let alone get it to work properly). You need to tweak drivers, apps, test, test, and test some more before you can even consider releasing something. And don't even get me started in porting and kernel development.
The reason why you don't see the discussions about development is because they are heavily diluted by posts not related to the devving process (which include questions in the wrong place, flaming, thank you posts etc). Hence, the reason for this move. This is to ensure that the development sections stay that way.... as development.
All I can say is about friken time! I have been discussing this rule with a number of mods for a long long time now and frankly I still think 10 is too low, but its a great start and should cut a lot of the rubbish or at least make some people think twice about where they are posting their questions.
spock2097 said:
Sorry but I think is not a good move.
I am massively effected by this move. My only posts and reads are in the development forums because I installed a "custom rom" the moment I purchased my new phone. There is no posting from me in the "other" forums.
How can I answer the maker of the custom rom?
Should i spam 10 meaningless posts in other forums just to get my right?
The term "development" in XDA is funny anyway because these forums have very little todo with development but with installing custom roms and other patches. They are not discussing "development" stuff in these forums.
Anyhow I would suggest to:
1. Have grace period of at least 1 day between registration and posting.
2. Have REAL development forums and separate ones for "custom kernels/roms" for the maker and their users.
Best Regards,
Daniel
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I agree with spock ("Live long and prosper"). For newbies, which I may still be considered, searching the forums is daunting. For example, I have an HD2. I was running Android off of SD for a few months, then just last week took the plunge to NAND. You guys are really making progress on cleaning up the forum structure, because at least now in the HD2 section there are different "development" sections for NAND and SD, etc. BUT, when you are searching for the perfect ROM, it is very confusing with all of the codes in the ROM names. It took me 5 different tries between NAND roms and CWR roms (using clockwork recovery, I'm not THAT DUMB) to finally get one to boot up. I was sweating for a bit!!!
Plus, when you use the search function in the forums, the results very rarely seem to match my search. I understand the experts' frustrations when a newb asks a question or needs help with something that's already been covered, but I have searched numerous times looking for help with bluetooth on a rom, or music skipping, or whatever. Sometimes, I'll take 45 minutes reading through the search results and will realize that none of them are even touching on the subject I was searching for.
Don't get me wrong, I am extremely grateful for all that the XDA team does. I visit this site daily, and follow the news with RSS on the Google Reader. I love it. But, since you're asking for suggestions, there you are.
;-)
It's a shame that you guys need to enforce this kind of rule but we really do need something to keep this forum in control.
Good job.
As i am mech engg and i dont about Rom and other things so i have to post stupid posts
and also some stupid post might help someone
if you can help "If some dev posts some information make sure that he posts his post well informed. by this unnecessary posts can be avoided"
Fair play on attempting something. This is one of a few large community sites I frequent and they all suffer from the problems you describe. Unfortunately no-one has the answer and it is a case of trail and error to find what works.
egzthunder1 said:
The reason why you don't see the discussions about development is because they are heavily diluted by posts not related to the devving process (which include questions in the wrong place, flaming, thank you posts etc). Hence, the reason for this move. This is to ensure that the development sections stay that way.... as development.
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See, I didn't even know that. I think this is a smart move, since it will all but force n00bs like myself to direct their comments to the appropriate forum. In terms of other recommendations, I would say having a ROM support forum, as somebody else mentioned would be a good idea.
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Well, that is kind of the idea. If you have questions or are not sure about something, you are supposed to try and find the answers by using the search engine. If you must ask questions, most device forums have a Q&A section where you can post. Keep in mind that the announcement says that you will still be able to read, just not post.
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Post<>opening a new thread.
Let me phrase this:
1. I have been reading the forum for 1-2 weeks.
2. Then I couldn't find the answer and I have opened an account.
3. I want to post a question to the maker of the custom rom.
4. I can't do this!
5. I will post 10 idiotic comments somewhere else to get my right.
Is this what you want? I (you can see all my posts) have never spammed or asked stupid stuff anywhere but a number of posts should be a sign of my maturity? Posting 10 Post gives you little to no sign if the user has and knows how to use search and stay still untill he has read at least 1000 posts!
This is what you should be aiming for.
Just because you can't measure it better doesn't make it valid. It is like giving you no mortgage loan because in your neighbourhood there were 5% not paying it back in time.
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As for the "no real development" comment... these forums are not just guides to teach others how to flash custom stuff. It is called development because the roms, kernels, themes, apps don't just magically appear from thin air. There is a lot of work done to get a custom rom to even boot in a device (let alone get it to work properly). You need to tweak drivers, apps, test, test, and test some more before you can even consider releasing something. And don't even get me started in porting and kernel development.
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What does this have to do with my remarks concerning the XDA developer forums?
I do agree with everything you said but "testing" especially means getting feedback from users that can't tell you anymore if "it worked".
egzthunder1 said:
The reason why you don't see the discussions about development is because they are heavily diluted by posts not related to the devving process (which include questions in the wrong place, flaming, thank you posts etc). Hence, the reason for this move. This is to ensure that the development sections stay that way.... as development.
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Then make inexperienced users stop "opening new threads" instead of "posting answers/making remarks to current threads".
Naren Raj said:
As i am mech engg and i dont about Rom and other things so i have to post stupid posts
and also some stupid post might help someone
if you can help "If some dev posts some information make sure that he posts his post well informed. by this unnecessary posts can be avoided"
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Here is the thing, and probably where lots of people are missing the point here. It isn't a matter of stupid posts. It is a matter of stupid posts in the wrong places. No one is telling you that you cannot ask for help. What we are saying is that, if all search efforts fail, please post in the right place....
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See, I didn't even know that. I think this is a smart move, since it will all but force n00bs like myself to direct their comments to the appropriate forum. In terms of other recommendations, I would say having a ROM support forum, as somebody else mentioned would be a good idea.
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Well...
My advice to all ROM devs would be to make their own thread in Q&A or general, called [SUPPORT] ROM NAME HERE Support Thread - Latest Version 1.2.3
In there, all users could post, regardless of number of posts. The first post would link to the main ROM, and perhaps contain a FAQ.
In the ROM release in development, have a large link to the Q&A thread at the start and end of the post. That way, those reporting bugs and helping with patches/fixes can post in the development thread, and those needing help can post in the Q&A thread.
Just encourage devs to do something like this
One of the things XDA added recently to cut down on posts was a "Thank You" button. It's a great idea! Where the heck is it? I would love to thank the devs that help me out with my HD2, but I CANT FIND THE BUTTON!
Can somebody draw me a picture or something?
I mean something has to be done. But being new to all this rooting, S-OFF etc kind of thing I do consider myself at least somewhat of a greenhorn . I do however try to keep my questions relevant to the topic and try finding the proper topic before placing a question.
But I am also struggling with actually get a proper answer, or an answer at all to some of my questions, making it hard for a new guy (or girl) to transend from being a greenie to actually become more and more knowledgeable over time. I mean if people dont share their knowledge and or their solutions then how are we all to benifit from them.
I do however admit that some form of moderation needs to find place, considering that some of the guides are actually more or less straight forward and quite frankly. If people can't follow a single straight forward guide then perhaps rooting, modding etc is not for them
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One of the things XDA added recently to cut down on posts was a "Thank You" button. It's a great idea! Where the heck is it? I would love to thank the devs that help me out with my HD2, but I CANT FIND THE BUTTON!
Can somebody draw me a picture or something?
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It appears to the left of the Quote button.
But IIRC it appears only after 5 posts, as we would have issues with new accounts being made solely to thank their "owner".
You're not far off the thanks button appearing.
I would screenie it, but there's little point. It's to the left of "Edit" for me ("Quote" for you I think as you won't see edit buttons everywhere)
This is your site and your rules. The only question is, that a person like me who has been a member for a short time, but been runing modded rom's for about 5 months (thanks to this site) can't post a question if I did have one. This is my second post, and the first one was to answer a question, I have found everything I needed and every question I had answered by way of reading posts. But if I do have a question I can't ask it because I have not posted alot of BS to get my post count up.
All I want is to post my questions and answers in the rom forum of my choice
ya, i thought that was dumb too. i dont really care about the rest, just trying to figure out this rom
What rom would the be
The ten post limit is because alot of new members post questions in the dev section. If you are a general user of xda then a ten post limit is nothing.
Maybe try a different heading thay describes your problem in a nutshell. By the way what is your problem, you never said.
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Answer in this thread ten times and you will get your ten post
I agree with the ten post rule and actually believe it should be a higher number
Or even better if you had to be approved by a mod to be able to.post in the Dev section
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Yeah, it is not that hard to get ten posts. Besides all you really need to do is read for a while. The development section is for the pros not for the questions that have been asked a thousand times
That is what this section is for!
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Yeah, it is not that hard to get ten posts. Besides all you really need to do is read for a while. The development section is for the pros not for the questions that have been asked a thousand times
That is what this section is for!
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You could at least post your "10" in different threads....
If they want the development section to be developers, than I can understand that but it seems strange to ask a question about say, Myn's Warm TwoPointTwo here rather than on a thread about it.
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If they want the development section to be developers, than I can understand that but it seems strange to ask a question about say, Myn's Warm TwoPointTwo here rather than on a thread about it.
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Not at all, actually. While myself and others are also guilty of posting such banter in ROM threads, that isn't where it actually belongs. Questions posted in the ROM threads should be posted only if they're concerning the actual development of the ROM rather than the usual "how do I...?" or "wow, this Rom is great, thanks dev!".
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=713251
It appears a reminder may be in order, about the purpose of the development fora on XDA.
If you have developed a ROM, or are working with others to do so, the development forum is somewhere to discuss and share ideas, post useful feedback and logs or crash dumps, and to discuss a common goal developers are trying to achieve.
It is NOT the place to post your question because it gets higher traffic, or because more experienced users frequent it. Doing this just annoys those who are working on the device, and drives them away. Developers don't want to wade through 20 threads of "Help me urgently" to find their threads for porting and fixing camera issues etc. Similarly, if a thread is designated as discussion for developers say, porting a camera fix, please do not post in there asking "When will it be ready?", "Can I flash this yet?" etc. This is both completely disrespectful to those working on the project (you evidently haven't read the important posts in the thread), and also is making it harder for developers to find comments from other developers or testers when required.
Similarly, don't make loads of "Thanks for your work here" posts in an active development thread. It's just as annoying to developers as asking when something will be ready. If a ROM is complete, then go ahead and thank the developer if you wish, but don't go into threads for devs only, and interrupt it to post "thanks". It's basically spamming, and is treated as such.
If you are posting in development, you should have read every sticky and notice there, and should be actively developing or helping in the development of something. Developing isn't installing a ROM, or using a tweak, it's creating a ROM or other hack or tweak. If you haven't read for several days before starting out on XDA, you are likely about to ask something already solved. I registered on XDA when I first wanted to post, and that was to join in a discussion on something. Sure, join up and ask a question, but read the information available in General and Q&A first, as your question will have been asked before. Search is your friend here, become familiar with it.
Regarding when to post in development if you are not actually developing something, there is one occasion where it's acceptable. If you find a leak of a new ROM, which isn't already posted, and you verify it's legitimacy via either running it, or based on the source you obtained it from, then this is assisting in development, and should be posted in development. If you want to ask when a leak will be available use search first, then if not already in discussion, open a thread in general or Q&A.
If you have a problem flashing a ROM, this is NOT related to development. It's up to you to determine if it is specific to a particular ROM, and post useful information in that developer's existing thread for the ROM. If it happens on more than one ROM, and isn't a known issue (remember you should read several times more words than you post), then find out what you are doing wrong. Check guides written by others, try to repeat the problem and see if it happens every time. Something needs to be reproducible to be fixed effectively.
Once you have identified what you need help with go to the device Q&A forum (general if device lacks one), and make a clear, informative thread that explains the issue, and what you have tried doing to fix it. Did you re-download the ROM? Did you ask a friend to flash it for you, to reduce chance of user error? What steps (exactly) did you follow? What errors did you see (exact wording)? Did you double check all the steps? Did you do a wipe or hard reset?
If you make a clear, concise, yet detailed post, you will find help forthcoming, and should get the problem sorted very quickly. If someone suggests you try something, report back on what happened, did it work etc. Then, next time someone has this issue and searches, they will find this and have a verified and tested solution.
So remember... before you start a thread in development, ask yourself what you are developing. If you can't answer, then stop, step away from the post button, and think about where you are posting. Would it be better in General or Q&A, or is some more time with your best friend, search, required?
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Ten posts?
I tend to read and only contribute if I have something to say. Not in this case! Now I have to post just to post. Gee this is kinda fun. I think I will start posting meaningless drivel on more topics. Thanks ten post rule!
Ya post Hi in the introduction thread then Thank everyone who welcomed you. Hell, there's at least 2 or 3 post. Then check out the development (apps/games) and find something you want there and thank them for their hard work.
10 posts shouldn't take you more than a few days if you're active. Don't need them anyway as the question you're wanting to ask has already been asked.
10 post is annoying, but I understand the reason. Post.
This is the reason for the 10 post rule.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1121527
I realize that this post had over 100 post, but not the place for their post.
My question is why our devs dont have a dev title instead of Senior Member I mean that why some devs leave XDA and get their own website because they don't get the credit or place that they deserve....??
1107963 said:
My question is why our devs dont have a dev title instead of Senior Member I mean that why some devs leave XDA and get their own website because they don't get the credit or place that they deserve....??
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You need to apply for the dev title only some get it i just found out about it like 2 days ago
JoelZ9614 said:
You need to apply for the dev title only some get it i just found out about it like 2 days ago
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I think that makes sense. That way not just anyone can say I am a dev. I think that with the work your guys do it should have some prestige to it.
Dumb
The only reason I use XDA is as a root resource; this is just irritating that I have to post these ten msgs.
For a long time I've been a 'silent' reader of the XDA-Forum.
Today I wanted to post a question in the development section of a phone. Therefore I registered a new account for me, but unfortunately I was unable to post the question, as there is a restriction saying you need 10 posts before you were allowed to post in a development section.
As the question is quite important to me, I made up my mind and thought: well, then I've to write 10 posts in different forums, so I'm able to post the original question - does that make sense, I guess not?
Luckily I hit another restriction - as a new user you are only allowed to post every 5 minutes
So the question is, is it really necessary to have these strict posting restrictions (10 posts) on the development section?
You would be amazed by the amount of spammers and random posts we got away by these rules.
Well if you have a question it needs to go in the q/a section for your device. The development section is only for development, this is why the rules are in place to try and prevent stuff being posted in the wrong section
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Once you are past the restrictions, you'll find you can do anything. The reason for these restrictions is because the overarching majority of users who are new here refuse to follow the rules on posting. Therefore, the best way to deal with this is to restrict new users from posting in development areas, as these are the places new users tend to abuse with questions or stupid comments.
Once you're past the restrictions you'll find it's OK
oliman99 said:
...I wanted to post a question in the development section of a phone. Therefore I registered a new account for me, but unfortunately I was unable to post the question, as there is a restriction saying you need 10 posts before you were allowed to post in a development section.?
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This is exactly why these restrictions are in place. It is useful when joining a site to learn how it operates first. If you have a question it should go in the Q&A sections, not in Development.
If you post 10 useful and helpful posts then you should be able to move past the restrictions. Pleae don't be tempted to post spam as these posts will be deleted.
All that said, wlcome to XDA!
WB
I understand that these restrictions were put in place to keep spammers and the "of course i used search and googled it" away, but as being a long time silent observer and have tested roms before my first post and didn't feel the need to have someone hold my hand as I flashed away, I felt that I should inform the developers of the bugs I have found or to simply thank them.
But with these restrictions in place it meant I had to spam some threads to get to 10 posts which always kept me away. Well now I decided to get those 10 posts, registered and started (mildly) spamming. Up to three posts now.
What I'm trying to say is that with these restrictions you are also keeping away some people that know what they are doing (when it comes to flashing and testing roms) and don't feel the need to ask questions that have been answered many times before.
Just my two cents.
zer081 said:
What I'm trying to say is that with these restrictions you are also keeping away some people that know what they are doing (when it comes to flashing and testing roms) and don't feel the need to ask questions that have been answered many times before.
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If People know what they're doing then they should be posting with helpful replies instead of spamming. I bet 99% of the questions/comments from People who start these kinds of threads have already been raised on the original thread or is some noob like comment that doesn't need to be posted in the first place.
The fact that you couldn't be bothered to search and find the other 1,000 threads here complaining about the very same thing is proof such restrictions are needed.
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If People know what they're doing then they should be posting with helpful replies instead of spamming. I bet 99% of the questions/comments from People who start these kinds of threads have already been raised on the original thread or is some noob like comment that doesn't need to be posted in the first place.
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What he said.
Anyone "kept away" by these restrictions is probably better off on another site anyway.
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I went through the same exact frustration with the posting rules. When I read about making meaningful posts vs spam/non-helpful for the first 10 all I could think of was... "well, I want to make a meaningful post in regards to a particular rom in the development area, but to do so I have to find other avenues that could be helpful."
I've got no issue with the tight rules to keep spam down, but I imagine I would have above 50 posts right now in development areas but I always shrugged it off and made no reply, which is not helpful to anyone. Now I'm in the process of getting my posts so I can finally contribute.
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I went through the same exact frustration with the posting rules. When I read about making meaningful posts vs spam/non-helpful for the first 10 all I could think of was... "well, I want to make a meaningful post in regards to a particular rom in the development area, but to do so I have to find other avenues that could be helpful."
I've got no issue with the tight rules to keep spam down, but I imagine I would have above 50 posts right now in development areas but I always shrugged it off and made no reply, which is not helpful to anyone. Now I'm in the process of getting my posts so I can finally contribute.
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I am a new member but I have been lurking for a while. I was just lazy to make an account but now that I want to get involved with helping developers clear up bugs I cant because I need at least 10 posts. kinda sucks
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I am a new member but I have been lurking for a while. I was just lazy to make an account but now that I want to get involved with helping developers clear up bugs I cant because I need at least 10 posts. kinda sucks
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If you really need to contact a dev you could always pm him
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If you really need to contact a dev you could always pm him
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This is true. I just need to up my post count to 10 I believe anyway so I will just blabber for now lol
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This is true. I just need to up my post count to 10 I believe anyway so I will just blabber for now lol
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I think your missing the point, your posts should be useful posts.
Try helping people in the general and QandA sections and not just writing pointless posts
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I think your missing the point, your posts should be useful posts.
Try helping people in the general and QandA sections and not just writing pointless posts
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I'm not missing the point, I understand what you are saying, I just believe I could be much more helpful in the development thread, and besides that's the reason I signed up. Not to be forced to go help somewhere I'm not interested in. I came to consult with others in a particular section of the forum specifically and i can't until I go somewhere else and post, that's all I'm trying to say. It's not a huge deal just don't think it necessarily helps me in this case. Although I could see some good reasons as to why they do this.
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I'm not missing the point, I understand what you are saying, I just believe I could be much more helpful in the development thread, and besides that's the reason I signed up. Not to be forced to go help somewhere I'm not interested in. I came to consult with others in a particular section of the forum specifically and i can't until I go somewhere else and post, that's all I'm trying to say. It's not a huge deal just don't think it necessarily helps me in this case. Although I could see some good reasons as to why they do this.
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The 10 post rule is there for a cause.To prevent the spamming of dev section.
How can I post in dev section? Simple, you make 10 meaningful posts by helping others as zacthespack already stated.
If you can help others in the development section, then I am pretty sure you can do the same in the General and Q&A section also..And what is it that you want to consult in?
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True, but for myself as a long time reader I have a bug to report on paranoidandroids recent beta. Instead of posting that observation, I find myself trolling forums looking for meaningful things to say to get my 10 posts. Its funny that dd-wrt forums don't have this restriction, and I don't see these spamming issues or silly restrictions. Basically I feel that the community on here is a bit sanctimonious and pompous.
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Well if you have a question it needs to go in the q/a section for your device. The development section is only for development, this is why the rules are in place to try and prevent stuff being posted in the wrong section
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I don't get it. Why would I want to spend my time replying to someone in a Q&A section when they could look up the answer for themselves? That reminds me of students of mine asking a question that's answered in the book in bold text. Are we just enabling noobish people to remain noobs and not think through problems for themselves?
Prawesome said:
The 10 post rule is there for a cause.To prevent the spamming of dev section.
How can I post in dev section? Simple, you make 10 meaningful posts by helping others as zacthespack already stated.
If you can help others in the development section, then I am pretty sure you can do the same in the General and Q&A section also..And what is it that you want to consult in?
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i have a serious problem
Dear Sir
iam changing my phone sim 3times continue.
after that iam restarting my phone.
buy my phone hanged at samsung first screen,
after i am updating firm ware using odin.
but my phone not turn on.that is sucked at android factory reset window.
the error is cant unmount sdcard...etc
my phone model is samsung si9003
plz can you help me about my phone how to turn on as usual.
plz suggest me about upgrading.
or give any solution for me plz
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True, but for myself as a long time reader I have a bug to report on paranoidandroids recent beta. Instead of posting that observation, I find myself trolling forums looking for meaningful things to say to get my 10 posts. Its funny that dd-wrt forums don't have this restriction, and I don't see these spamming issues or silly restrictions. Basically I feel that the community on here is a bit sanctimonious and pompous.
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I don't get it. Why would I want to spend my time replying to someone in a Q&A section when they could look up the answer for themselves? That reminds me of students of mine asking a question that's answered in the book in bold text. Are we just enabling noobish people to remain noobs and not think through problems for themselves?
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dd probably doesn't have close to 5 million users either
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Well, time to close this one as it's just attracting people who want to make ten useless posts. Which will be deleted by the way.....
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I've seen in various places mention of the 10-post threshhold, and scattered mentions of various things you can't do before that point, but I haven't found a definitive list of what happens when you are upgraded from "Junior Member" to--what?--"Regular Member"?
If there is already such a list, can anyone provide a link?
All I've found so far is the list in post 17981993, but
it appears to be incomplete.
Some of the things I've heard of/am hoping for:
signature
post links
post in dev forums
post without captcha
thanks button
No 5-minute waiting period between posts
edit posts (apparently not an issue)
Also useful is a list of things that the 10-post threshold doesn't get you that you might have been hoping for/expecting.
You get what you get when you get it.
This might be helpful to answer your questions and more: GUIDE] - XDA New User Guide - Getting started on XDA.
Welcome to XDA, good luck,
mf2112
XDA Moderator
I really dislike this.
Not every new user is a noob who hasn't done their research before posting.
Right now I have a major issue with a rom and can't post on the thread because I don't have permission...
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Right now I have a major issue with a rom and can't post on the thread because I don't have permission...
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And that's why Q&A section is meant for. Development Threads were solely not intended for addressing issues, but help with development ie, helping to fix errors. But now, majority of them just posts what's not working a 100 times, even if its a beta build.
coolsandie said:
And that's why Q&A section is meant for. Development Threads were solely not intended for addressing issues, but help with development ie, helping to fix errors. But now, majority of them just posts what's not working a 100 times, even if its a beta build.
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Alright I have posted my issue in the Q&A section. But really if there is a specific issue with a rom wouldn't I want to get the devs attention ASAP. I can't imagine rom devs are watching every thread in the Q&A section specific to their rom.
Ugh...
I started this thread to clarify what the rules are.
I didn't realize I risked getting buried in replies arguing about what the rules should be.
I'd ask people to start another thread if they want to discuss what the rules should be, but not sure it'll help...
bsammon said:
Ugh...
I started this thread to clarify what the rules are.
I didn't realize I risked getting buried in replies arguing about what the rules should be.
I'd ask people to start another thread if they want to discuss what the rules should be, but not sure it'll help...
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It probably won't help, people just seem to love to argue about what the rules should be...
Seeing as you've got an answer to your original question I'll just close this and prevent the inevitable "OMG TEN PST RUL SUXXX" posts.
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I really dislike this.
Not every new user is a noob who hasn't done their research before posting.
Right now I have a major issue with a rom and can't post on the thread because I don't have permission...
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Tbh, I'd be very surprised if your issue hasn't happened to somebody before with the solution in said rom thread already
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Alright I have posted my issue in the Q&A section. But really if there is a specific issue with a rom wouldn't I want to get the devs attention ASAP. I can't imagine rom devs are watching every thread in the Q&A section specific to their rom.
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...and I'd be extremely surprised if this serious issue wasn't already know by said rom developer
This thread is aimed at teaching new users the way to be able to post in a development thread WITHOUT spamming or posting rubbish and help you get along better in the development threads.
I know that this thread will probably be ignored by most users who this is aimed at, BUT if it helps teach even a few users then this has been worth it.
**As of January 2016, you no longer need to have 10 posts to be able to post in development threads. To be able to create your own thread in the development forums you will need to have 50 posts though.
If you have a thread you'd like to post into the development forum but you don't have enough posts, you can create your thread in the General section for your device and then ask a Moderator of that forum to move it into the Development forum for you.**
First, let's look at why new users generally want to be able to post in a development thread ;
*They think it's the cool place to hangout.
*They think their question will be answered quicker.
*They want to say thanks to a developer for the work that they've done.
*They think their question is important and should be posted in development.
Now, let's explain the truth about the 4 points above ;
*Development threads are NOT the cool place to hangout. As this is a development forum there's no need to hangout but if you really feel the need to relax and hangout with other members, then participate in some discussions in the General section of your device.
*Your question will NOT be answered any quicker by posting it in a development thread. If you take a look at every single device forum on XDA, you'll see that the Q&A forum will always have more posts and threads than development forums will.
*While it's nice that you want to thank the developer for their hard work, making a post saying "Thanks" will only fill up the thread with useless posts. To stop this, XDA admins added a Thanks button which you will see at the bottom of every post on this forum (as long as you have made 1 post). If you're using the XDA app, just click on the relevant post and you'll see a few options appear. One of those options is "Thanks".
If you think that clicking the Thanks button is not enough then you could always donate to the developer to help them carry on development.
*While your question may well be important, it still doesn't belong in the development section. You may get flamed if you post your question there as all questions should be posted in the Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting forum. Development is only intended for development.
What's the best way for me to make 50 posts?
*As is mentioned a lot when talking about new users, the best way to make your first 50 posts is to go to your device forum and see if you can help some people in the Q&A forum. This is a great thing to do because it means you can help others learn more from you helping them with their questions. You may also gain some Thanks along the way.
*If you can't answer the questions, either because they're too hard OR others answer them too quickly, you go into your devices General forum and get involved in some discussions about your phone. This is a great thing to do because it can teach you some things which you didn't know about your device + you may be able to share what you've learnt which others may not know about. It also gives you a good introduction to your forum and the people you will see there.
*If you can't contribute towards any of the discussions either then you can also have a look around the following forums and see if you can help people in the forums aswell - General, Questions & Answers, Android General and Android Q&A.
How can I get involved with the development community?
Well, being active is the simple answer.
As you'll notice across XDA, the type of posts allowed in development threads are decided by the developer. Some developers want dev talk only. The won't want any kind of questions or general comments. Most, however, don't really mind what kind of posts go into their thread. Most will allow questions and a small amount of off topic chatter to happen within their thread. This allows a small community to grow - one who uses this certain piece of development and can help out others along the way. Getting involved in such small communities is great because you can learn a lot, help people a lot and even make your way towards those 50 posts needed to create your own thread in the development forums.
Now that you've read through this thread, you will know the best and easiest way to make your first 50 posts. If you see any other members who are not following this guidance, feel free to link them to this thread so that they can learn from it aswell. Now you're good to go!
Good job, I added a link from the new user guide. :good:
This is definitely the thing that was needed.
@KidCarter93,you have done a good job
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d'oh said:
Seriosly, the rule annoys me, having 10 posts does not mean you have any idea about developement...
Half of the posts in the dev threads i follow are exactly the kind of posts that are tried to prevent with this rule... The authors of the posts often have 100+ posts but show they do not have any idea...
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You are right.. if the rule wasn't there.. think what might have happened.. it prevents users from creating account and jump to development section.. it lets you understand how the site works when you are gaining 10 posts..
You can always report such posts you mentioned or you can suggest better alternative if you have one in alternative to 10 post rule thread here..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2115765
mikef said:
Good job, I added a link from the new user guide. :good:
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Well done mate !
Just added a link from the New members friendly Q&A thread.
Nice write up you always do a good job with these things.
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Thx for the advice
Being one of the users this thread is aimed at, I say thank you.
Your tone is friendly and not arrogant, the advice seems helpful and reasonable.
And I say this although I'm one of the users who's reason to post is not listed in your first argument about "why new users generally want to be able to post in a development thread".
I actually wanted to post, to report on a currently discussed issue, that seemed to be not clear yet and help another user by linking to a thread about Link2SD to help him resolve his issue.
But I understand and accept the rules - that's why I'm off now to the Q&A for the SGA. Maybe I can share my experiences with flashing my device there
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Being one of the users this thread is aimed at, I say thank you.
Your tone is friendly and not arrogant, the advice seems helpful and reasonable.
And I say this although I'm one of the users who's reason to post is not listed in your first argument about "why new users generally want to be able to post in a development thread".
I actually wanted to post, to report on a currently discussed issue, that seemed to be not clear yet and help another user by linking to a thread about Link2SD to help him resolve his issue.
But I understand and accept the rules - that's why I'm off now to the Q&A for the SGA. Maybe I can share my experiences with flashing my device there
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I'd just like to say thanks for doing things "properly". When you first posted the above comment, I kept an eye on your posts to see what you were posting. I was actually pleasently surprised to see you were posting the way this thread asks for it to be done.
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KidCarter93 said:
I'd just like to say thanks for doing things "properly". When you first posted the above comment, I kept an eye on your posts to see what you were posting. I was actually pleasently surprised to see you were posting the way this thread asks for it to be done.
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Even if I run the risk of posting the occasional "useless" post here, let me say thanks for saying thanks .
Feels good to be appreciated.
This forum is wonderful, just like most of the regulars here.
It's a pity, that for many noobs the substance of the first post is not common sense, but I guess most noobs are also noobs to life itself (unlike me ), and still have to learn the meaning of "If you wish for potatoes, you better grab a hoe!".
But you know how it is, haters gonna hate and noobs will be noobs
What about experienced devs who happen to be new to xda?
Thanks for the post, those are good points about how to make your 10 posts, but I can't help but feel a little frustrated as a long time software developer but new xda user:
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First, let's look at why new users generally want to be able to post in a development thread ;
*They think it's the cool place to hangout.
*They think their question will be answered quicker.
*They want to say thanks to a developer for the work that they've done.
*They think their question is important and should be posted in development.
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The ROM I use uses XDA as their main bug reporting platform, I have a legitimate bug report to make but it's a bit annoying having to jump through hoops to report it
brainflakes said:
Thanks for the post, those are good points about how to make your 10 posts, but I can't help but feel a little frustrated as a long time software developer but new xda user:
The ROM I use uses XDA as their main bug reporting platform, I have a legitimate bug report to make but it's a bit annoying having to jump through hoops to report it
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Well, you can pm the dev or any active user in that thread to post it in behalf of you. Or just make 10 posts as xda is more than just a single rom and you would surely like to get involved sooner or later
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Deadly said:
Well, you can pm the dev or any active user in that thread to post it in behalf of you. Or just make 10 posts as xda is more than just a single rom and you would surely like to get involved sooner or later
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Well, I wouldn't know who was best to hassle with a PM Anyway yeah I'm just bringing my post number up by answering Q&A questions, I suppose helping a few users out is "payment" for being able to use the dev forum
brainflakes said:
Thanks for the post, those are good points about how to make your 10 posts, but I can't help but feel a little frustrated as a long time software developer but new xda user:
The ROM I use uses XDA as their main bug reporting platform, I have a legitimate bug report to make but it's a bit annoying having to jump through hoops to report it
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Experienced devs could always write to a moderator and ask for the restriction to be lifted for their account. Surprisingly few do this however, but generally just start helping people and get to 10 pretty quickly.
Thank you,
mikef
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thanks for information
going to dhd forum to help other guys......
Notes taken :good:
I already have more than 10 posts, how come I still cant post in development?
MilkEven said:
I already have more than 10 posts, how come I still cant post in development?
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Sometimes it can take up to an hour before your able to post in development because of the system refreshing itself.
If it becomes over an hour since your tenth post, your best option would be to contact a moderator who could then get it sorted for you
Your question shouldn't have been asked in here though.
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hey guys, i got now 10 posts, but still cannot post in developer forum :/
*edit* ... already answered... im stupid
eloquent said:
hey guys, i got now 10 posts, but still cannot post in developer forum :/
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KidCarter93 said:
Sometimes it can take up to an hour before your able to post in development because of the system refreshing itself.
If it becomes over an hour since your tenth post, your best option would be to contact a moderator who could then get it sorted for you
Your question shouldn't have been asked in here though.
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Developer frustration
I totally see the point... BUT: As a developer wanting to help by sharing modules/code on a development thread I was thwarted by the ten post rule.
Sure, I can take the time to "help" in other threads so that I can ultimately help in the thread that I originally intended but it makes me wonder how many skilled developers are refraining from helping simply because they don't have the time or inclination to get to the ten post count.
In the spirit of helping people that are having the same problem as I had (that drove me to develop the module I'm planning on posting) I will persevere.