Well, I guess my One X isn't perfect.
When I first got it, I didn't look for the flaws, I just checked that the Wi-Fi is ok and there was no ripples, so I unlocked it and flashed ARHD. But, after few days of usage I was shocked after I pressed the screen a bit harder (not VERY hard, just a bit harder because I stumbled upon some HOX screen creaking issue videos) and it started creaking in the upper corners and you can push the screen further into the casing (upper side) like it's on some kind of springs. Note: It was in a case since day 1, never fell because I treat it like a baby, I've had it for around a week. Now, I relocked bootloader and got everything back to stock. I never flashed custom kernels nor tried to overclock it/undervolt it. Plus, it NEVER got hot, after playing some more intensive (THD) games it got SLIGHTLY warm, you could barely feel it. So it is deffinitely assembly issue. My question is, can I claim warranty? Because I bought this phone in Germany (1&1) and I'm from Croatia, so I would have to ship it to Germany first. Or should I take it to repair shop so they fix the screen because it's perfect in every other way? It's model SH26.
Thanks very much.
Regards.
Well, I would say that it depends on the engineer who examine your phones. However, they always knew that you are unlocked and they have the right to void your warranty if they detemine it was caused by mis-used of custom ROM/kernels or else. Since, this is a assembly issue which was not consequences of unlocking. I can said that you are safe from this.
I adviced you get to HTC directly instead of a repair shops and query to HTC croatia asking wether they accept your device or not. For you interest, I heard that international warranty was apply my One X from a local retailer while my device is brought from neighbour country.
Either its hardware fault or not if ur device is unlocked they can refuse the repair under warranty. i have asked the same thing and they told me that if you unlocked it u cant use ur warranty.i said all the stuff about its not my fault or unlocking and its by manufacture but no luck. so i guess it depends ur rights that ur country provides .In Uk you can claim hardware fault in court.
Sounds like a shoddy products.
Yup, had to admitted the warranty may go as per country basis refering local laws. I don't think many asian countries deserves the rights for requesting changes/rejecting a device in 7 days without giving any reason as in UK. Thus, this may be why there are more strict on this unlocking issue in UK.
I sent my HOX (unlocked) for repair directly to HTC due to faulty earpiece jack.
They returned it to me fixed, and with a new and better battery.
HTC didn't charge me a cent.
Ive installed ARHD recently and a few hours after i noticed my screen making creaking and popping noises when pressed. Not sure what i should do about it, it doesnt bother me that much but if my screen falls out ill be slightly annoyed ;p. Surely they have to replace/fix the phone because this is a hardware issue?
Guess I was extremely lucky. Having heard of many defective devices, I began to worry about mine, and, to my surprise, there was no problems i could detect.
That's because generally people only shout about things that don't work. The happy folks with good phones are much quieter.
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That's because generally people only shout about things that don't work. The happy folks with good phones are much quieter.
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True,i haven't had a single problem with my HOX.When it was first released many people complained about the flickering screen,after that with the memory loss problem,now with the new 2.17 update alot of people are having problems with the wifi,and even so,i don't have any problem with the phone.
ON Topic:In my country if you unlock your bootloader the waranty is completly void,a friend of mine had problems with the phone microphone and they denied his waranty,had to pay to repair the HOX.
This may not be the greatest tip to give, but if you know that they will reject warranty claims (If you are in the UK, etc...) on the basis of bootloader unlock, it might be possible to bypass the issue by just bricking the phone to the point that you cannot get to the bootloader, because it seems they determine warranty status by going to the bootloader and looking at the screen.
Hence, no bootloader screen to check, no evidence that warranty was broken.
Of course this is quite shady and if you have the means you should pay for the warranty repairs.
...or realise (UK, etc.) that your statutory rights are not affected. Which is why they are "statutory".
It's hard to tell, some users reporting that they've been charged for a new motherboard prior to fixing any issues. Until then they won't touch the device. It varies from country to country and individual on the other end.
If you got it from a carrier maybe try sending it to them and bypassing HTC.
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Im in the uk, does anyone know if they will or wont fix my phone? Also do they fix the phone or replace it?
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Im in the uk, does anyone know if they will or wont fix my phone? Also do they fix the phone or replace it?
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Depends on the problem, but usually a fix is possible/cheaper for them.
On the UK, your statutary rights stand with the retailer. If you're unlocked (relock it) take it to them.
Great news, my One X is back and It's fixed. Big ups for HTC Germany!
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I called HTC UK support a few days ago not for my wildfire s but my sons, it has a dodgy power button really hard to press and sometimes no response, hitting the side of the phone helps lol, so maybe a loose connection between the flex cable and connector.
It has always been a bit unresponsive since first purchase but wasn't too bad, I guess I only noticed it because mine was so much easier to press, anyway it has been getting worse over time.
So HTC asked if it was rooted or had been s-off as if it was they would not do the repair without a charge of £50-£60 and stated the engineers will check for this before any work is carried out.
I argued that the problem was hardware related and not software/firmware and it should be covered but they dissagreed.
I think this is poor customer service.
If I bricked my phone then I wouldn't argue, it would be my problem but this is faulty hardware so I'm pissed.
I will do the repair myself when it gets to a point that it becomes a real problem for my son, as I used to repair mobiles in a shop and currently repair pc's.
Just would've been nice to have the warranty option.
Anyway moral of the story s-off or unlocked bootloader don't expect any kind of warranty from HTC whether a software or hardware issue.
Edit: almost forgot. I asked if I send it would they flash the firmware as I didn't want them to!
Their response was they would flash the phone whether I want them to or not even though its a hardware issue.
How crazy is that.
THANKS HTC AND SHAME ON YOU :banghead:
That's bad. But I think it depends also on the country you live in. Some countries, like mine have specific laws for such a case. That means, if e.g. the defect is not caused by a software issue, they have to do the repair.
Yeah I might send a letter to a UK customer service manager and see what kind of response I get.
Good luck. You should also consider - if your son's device is already unlocked - to downgrade a stock rom. I somehow doubt that htc people check, if the device has gone through the htcdev process. They maybe just check HBOOT and if there is neither LOCKED (OOW), UNLOCKED nor RELOCKED, they think it's okay.
Didn't htcdev it.
Xtc clipped it but either way I told the guy its stock etc etc but he didn't care.
He said they've had a few phones returned to customers without repair because the engineers check the bootloader and htcdev.
In Germany you have different kinds of liability from the manufacturer's side.
If the malfunction appears within the first 6 months, it is generally believed to be a manufacturing fault and if the manufacturer doesn't want to replace it, he has to prove that it was not.
If the malfunction appears after more than 6 months, but less than 24 months, the manufacturer still has to replace devices that failed due to a manufacturing fault, but the burden of proof is on the consumer side. Obviously it's hard for a consumer to prove that the malfunction is due to a manufacturing fault, so if the manufacturer refuses to replace the device you're probably gonna fight a losing battle. However, most manufacturers will stil replace the device as anything else would harm their reputation.
The manufacturer cannot ask you to agree to forfeit either of these claims, as such an agreement would be void. However, after more than 24 months you're definitely out of luck from the legal point of view. You will only get service if you signed up for a special maintenance contract with the manufacturer, which obviously is only relevant for very expensive and long-lasting goods.
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Good luck. You should also consider - if your son's device is already unlocked - to downgrade a stock rom. I somehow doubt that htc people check, if the device has gone through the htcdev process. They maybe just check HBOOT and if there is neither LOCKED (OOW), UNLOCKED nor RELOCKED, they think it's okay.
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You have to provide them some kind of unique identifier for your device before they give you the unlock token. I think they know which serial the device had that this identifier is from and will then check the serial against some database.
They asked me the condition and as I explained its my sons its in a brand new condition in a case not been out the house really as he uses his blackberry outside.
It's about 7 months old.
Not sure about the law in the UK. Getting in contact with some jurist will probably help. I don't know where you're working, but most bigger companies have some kind of "legal department". Maybe you can contact one of your colleagues while relaxing over a beer.
A lawyer will probably charge far more than the phone's worth.
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You have to provide them some kind of unique identifier for your device before they give you the unlock token. I think they know which serial the device had that this identifier is from and will then check the serial against some database.
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You are right. And I also found out, that whatever you do, whatever you down or upgrade the state of the bootloader lock persists.
I downgraded to an older ROM ,thus getting back HBOOT 1.08.0000. after installing HTCDEV HBOOT again, it remembered the RELOCKED state. When you first flash the HTCDEV HBOOT you get LOCKED (OOW). So somewhere this information is stored.
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You are right. And I also found out, that whatever you do, whatever you down or upgrade the state of the bootloader lock persists.
I downgraded to an older ROM ,thus getting back HBOOT 1.08.0000. after installing HTCDEV HBOOT again, it remembered the RELOCKED state. When you first flash the HTCDEV HBOOT you get LOCKED (OOW). So somewhere this information is stored.
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Most of the security-related information is stored along with the Radio firmware. S-ON/S-OFF is, CID is, SIM-Lock is, so bootloader lock is probably too.
HTC is not who you need to talk to. You need to go to the store where you bought the thing.
Went there today (o2 store) the guy basically said if that's what HTC said then its my hard luck.
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Went there today (o2 store) the guy basically said if that's what HTC said then its my hard luck.
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What an ass hole lol.
I would just spam HTC customer support up with complaints like I did when there was no bootloader unlock. They don't like me anymore. It also kills there reputation badly so they will say things to try and make up for it.
Just call or email them again, hope you get some stupid ass HTC woman who don't know jack **** about phones and gives you a free HTC One X as a replacement lol.
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hope you get some stupid ass HTC woman who don't know jack **** about phones and gives you a free HTC One X as a replacement lol
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Yeah I'll get on the case thanks, the one x should make up for my troubles lol
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What an ass hole lol.
I would just spam HTC customer support up with complaints like I did when there was no bootloader unlock. They don't like me anymore. It also kills there reputation badly so they will say things to try and make up for it.
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I've been bombing their inbox for days now about getting ANY Marvelc kernel sources. They keep refering me to http://htcdev.com/contact, and I keep responding that I have, and I want Marvelc sources. I must admit, I'm not being nice anymore either.
"Danielle" is taking it in stride though.
This sort of behaviour is not unheard of. in 2007 my daughter bought a Compaq laptop with a international warranty. She went to Nottingham and had a problem. When contacted HP essentially said that take it back to India for repairs, and quoted some page (14 or something) of their web warranty, basically claiming that since the model was not sale in the UK (the numbers always change across borders) they did not want to know. Then she wrote back that she is a lawyer, and was a PG at Notts U. They immediately advised her to take it to the service centre in (or just at the fringe of) the campus. Then unit was sent to the HQ and was back with a new power board within three days (this too in the XMas period).
So you have to persist, and if possible bare your fangs to get anything done.
I've not done this with HTC but with other companies in the past i have told little white lies usually saying it wasn't a fault of mine even when it was.
I have bought through clove.co.uk my HTC ONE X.
I have successfully unlocked it through htcdev.com
Now I have a yellowish spot on the lower left corner - a hardware fault, clearly.
I have sent it back to clove.co.uk
They told me that HTC has some doubts about free of charge repairing.
I will keep you posted.
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I have bought through clove.co.uk my HTC ONE X.
I have successfully unlocked it through htcdev.com
Now I have a yellowish spot on the lower left corner - a hardware fault, clearly.
I have sent it back to clove.co.uk
They told me that HTC has some doubts about free of charge repairing.
I will keep you posted.
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please do..as your story seems quite interesting now. hopefully they will replace it for you but kinda makes you think twice before unlocking it now kinda makes me sad hearing that..i really do hope there is an S-OFF exploit cause if there is not i maybe just maybe might end up selling this and going back to either s2 or buy the s3 when that comes out and hopefully that bootloader will be unlocked...i am really loving my phone but things on this side seem so complicated compare to the s2 one
The htcdev unlock shouldn't affect your hardware warranty but it is worded so that in theory anything could be blamed on you altering the firmware. It would be daft if they do end up refusing to fix your phone for free as it is obviously nothing to do with the unlock.
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please do..as your story seems quite interesting now. hopefully they will replace it for you but kinda makes you think twice before unlocking it now kinda makes me sad hearing that..i really do hope there is an S-OFF exploit cause if there is not i maybe just maybe might end up selling this and going back to either s2 or buy the s3 when that comes out and hopefully that bootloader will be unlocked...i am really loving my phone but things on this side seem so complicated compare to the s2 one
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Yea if you want an easy to root/mod phone Samsung ones are generally better.
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I also have informed Clove that I have posted here.
Let's wait and see whether all the hype about HTC opening the bootloader is just marketing or has some sense. After all, I didn't alter anything hardware so if - say - some button or screen ceases to function or doesn't do it properly, why shouldn't warranty be valid??
The thing with the yellow point is well known. At least in Germany. Had a One X that had the same yellow spot on the left bottom of the display too.
Brought it back to the shop (Saturn) and get a complete new one.
Hopefully you get a new one, too!
Forget to mention that I've didn't unlock it.
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After all, I didn't alter anything hardware so if - say - some button or screen ceases to function or doesn't do it properly, why shouldn't warranty be valid??
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The way HTC word it on htcdev is that because you're not using official validated firmware then you might have had faulty firmware which damaged hardware e.g. it was overheating but the firmware somehow managed to ignore it and continue.
It depends on what is faulty I guess. If the micro USB socket breaks then it is obviously nothing that could be caused by firmware.
The yellowish spot is probably the glue they used to stick the LCD to the touchscreen. There are quite a few mentions of similar spots on this forum. Was it there when you first got the phone?
Yes it was there but it went unnoticed due to excess of enthusiasm in going through each and every menu and too much work to take care of small details. but then, with time, I got aware of the yellow spot.
Clove also noticed it and sent the phone to HTC.
I avoided unlocking at HTCDev as I'd like to keep my warranty, so I will be waiting for Revolutionary
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same story here, i'm about to send it to htc, i'll await your results, too.
So no rooting without potential warranty issues?
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So no rooting without potential warranty issues?
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HTC is entitled to some form of protection. If you overclock and fry your CPU they shouldn't have to eat the cost. Friends who unlocked international phones have gotten h/w (display, build issues, etc.) related warranty service from HTC with no hassle.
Here's their policy:
It is our responsibility to caution you that not all claims resulting or caused by or from the unlocking of the bootloader may be covered under warranty.
Unlocking the bootloader means that you now have the ability to customize software on your device. Please note that changing your bootloader can cause significant issues with your device and once you have unlocked your device, you have agreed to the disclaimer that states a change in warranty status such that in the event you render your device unusable, you are responsible for the recovery of your device, whether by repair or by other means.
It seems fairly reasonable. Asus has Prime owners completely waive their warranty rights, even for non-related issues, when they unlock their bootloaders. So it could be worse.
You know the old saying - "you play, you pay."
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HTC is entitled to some form of protection. If you overclock and fry your CPU they shouldn't have to eat the cost. Friends who unlocked international phones have gotten h/w (display, build issues, etc.) related warranty service from HTC with no hassle.
Here's their policy:
It is our responsibility to caution you that not all claims resulting or caused by or from the unlocking of the bootloader may be covered under warranty.
Unlocking the bootloader means that you now have the ability to customize software on your device. Please note that changing your bootloader can cause significant issues with your device and once you have unlocked your device, you have agreed to the disclaimer that states a change in warranty status such that in the event you render your device unusable, you are responsible for the recovery of your device, whether by repair or by other means.
It seems fairly reasonable. Asus has Prime owners completely waive their warranty rights, even for non-related issues, when they unlock their bootloaders. So it could be worse.
You know the old saying - "you play, you pay."
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One one side - an entirely software based brick: user should pay. On the other side, failed hardware: manufacturer should pay. In between there may be differences of opinion!
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So no rooting without potential warranty issues?
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I have also sent my phone in for a yellow spot. Phone was rooted on HTC dev. Right now the status is "In Repair". So we will see what they say. I did flash back to stock before sending it in.
i rooted my HOX also. after 2 weeks i noticed the wifi fault AND a yellow spot. relocked it and send it in for repair. returned the phone a few weeks later. Still had a wifi issue, but now i don't get warranty for their faulty repair the first time because they saw is was *relocked*
after a few angry phone calls i decided to fix it my self
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i rooted my HOX also. after 2 weeks i noticed the wifi fault AND a yellow spot. relocked it and send it in for repair. returned the phone a few weeks later. Still had a wifi issue, but now i don't get warranty for their faulty repair the first time because they saw is was *relocked*
after a few angry phone calls i decided to fix it my self
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My status just changed to "REPAIR COMPLETE". So i think i am in the clear.
I think due to a bad install of a rom on my part the phone would not charge.I had used Htcdev to unlock but reset to facory settings before sending it back to HTC for repair.I have been told its been repaired and on its way back to me.
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My status just changed to "REPAIR COMPLETE". So i think i am in the clear.
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Strange now i am back to "In Repair"
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Strange now i am back to "In Repair"
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And now it is back to awaiting device....very strange.
Flyinace2000 said:
And now it is back to awaiting device....very strange.
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And now it shows the phone is being returned. So looks like they didn't care/check that my phone was "relocked".
UPS is set to drop it off tonight, but i am away on business so won't be able to report back on the quality until this weekend.
-Will
I successfully unlocked my phone through Htcdev.com, flashed a custom rom and then reflashed official rom in order to have my phone back to repair due to yellow spot. See photo for details.
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Here is the reply that Clove gave to me today to my request of having my HTC One X repaired.
Incredible. I also have spent 50 Euros to have my phone shipped to Clove, and not only do they return my phone unrepaired, still I have to pay say another 60 Euros as a disturb to them....
Shame Shame Shame on them.
DO NOT UNLOCK your phone through Htcdevs.com
Da: Returns [mailto:[email protected]]
Inviato: mercoledì 2 maggio 2012 16:59
A: xxxxx xxxxxxxx
Oggetto: RE: Clove Return (RM120410473F)
Paolo
We are contacting you concerning the HTC One X which you returned to us due to there being a yellow tint on the display. As you are aware we sent the handset to the HTC service centre as it was not possible to have it classed as a DOA (dead on arrival), due to the bootloader being unlocked and illegal software having been installed. The HTC service has confirmed that illegal software has been installed on the handset at some time by yourself resulting in the warranty being invalidated. Simply unlocking and relocking the bootloader would not have invalidated the warranty.
Due to illegal software being installed on the handset while it was in your possession HTC has issued a quotation for the replacement of the mainboard. The total of the quotation for the repair is £199.81 and we will need to charge an additional £24 for the return of the handset to your Italian address by International Signed post. This provides a total repair and return cost of £223.81.
It is possible for the handset to be returned to you without it being repaired. The HTC service centre charge £23.70 for the handset to be released and returned to us. Like with the repair quotation we will need to charge £24 for the handset to be returned to you. This means that the total to return the handset to you without it being repaired is £47.70.
Regards
Sales Team
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TEL: +44 (0)1202 552936
FAX: +44 (0)1202 552937
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Should've sent it directly to HTC, not Clove
EddyOS said:
Should've sent it directly to HTC, not Clove
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Because this way HTC would repair it??
That's what voiding warranty means. It clearly says so on the htcdev website.
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That's what voiding warranty means. It clearly says so on the htcdev website.
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But a hardware fault is nothing to do with the ROM you have on it. Clove are being very harsh about it
To the OP - did you put the correct RUU back on it before sending it back? Did it boot into Android? If so, it's NOT DOA and you should make Clove deal with it
Maybe they just saw that it's unlocked and didn't even send it to HTC
Yup .. Yellow tint is defect not caused by Custom ROM or bootloader unlocking. HTC is aware of that. It's best to send them directly to HTC.
I put back the original RUU as I have been one of the first customers to have the phone and there were no others floating around.
Clove clearly said that it's not DOA but still they also say that HTC refuses to repair the phone.
How can I cope with their refusal?
Threaten them (Clove preferably) with legal action. If they don't play ball, take them to court. Over in the UK and Ireland there's a small claims court that allows you to take retailers to court for a small fee (With no need for a solicitor).
There's no such thing as "warranty invalidation" when it comes to manufacturer defects. The phone is less than six months month, unless they can prove that your "illegal software" (Ask them to explain what they mean by illegal) caused the fault, they are obliged to repair/replace/refund your phone. It doesn't matter what HTC says. It's a manufacturing defect and Clove are obliged to sort it out for you. If HTC won't cooperate with Clove, that's Clove's problem, not yours.
Do not back down and don't allow HTC or Clove to BS you. If they don't know consumer law yet, now is the time to teach it to them.
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I put back the original RUU as I have been one of the first customers to have the phone and there were no others floating around.
Clove clearly said that it's not DOA but still they also say that HTC refuses to repair the phone.
How can I cope with their refusal?
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Don't know if it's the same for italy but in German we send HTCs to Arvato (direct HTC repair partner)
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But a hardware fault is nothing to do with the ROM you have on it. Clove are being very harsh about it
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Obviously, but that's how this stuff usually works. They find a way to make a profit, they go for it.
It's like bringing your car to a garage for a check-up. All of a sudden they find a bunch of stuff that's 'wrong' with your car..
Why are they using the term illegal software?
Last time I checked there's nothing illegal about custom Roms.
Android is open source. (And the bootloader isn't supposed to be locked.)
Unauthorised maybe would have been a better term for them to use.
And why should the software matter when it is a hardware issue?
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The HTC service centre charge £23.70 for the handset to be released and returned to us. Like with the repair quotation we will need to charge £24 for the handset to be returned to you.
Are they for real? That sounds to me like a ransom demand!
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HTC say that in their official literature
Pakr said:
Why are they using the term illegal software?
Last time I checked there's nothing illegal about custom Roms.
Android is open source. (And the bootloader isn't supposed to be locked.)
Unauthorised maybe would have been a better term for them to use.
And why should the software matter when it is a hardware issue?
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My guess is they're concerned with people damaging their hardware by using unauthorized software that may alter the clock speeds on cpu, gpu or memory. It is more of a cover their own ass sort of thing, otherwise people who overheat their phones via overclocking could bring their phone in and say it was defective when their screen acts up due to the components near the screen becoming too hot.
I know there are legitimate screen defect happening with the HOX, just pointing this out as a general example for why they react this way to non-stock/oem firmware, etc.
I agree with the previous comments, try contacting HTC directly regarding these defects.
I think the title of this thread is very misleading. They clearly state in their reply that if you had just unlocked it then relocked it then the warranty would still be valid (in their eyes!). Change the thread title to say 'do not unlock and flash a custom rom........'
On the main issue of the thread, take the fight to them, they're obviously trying to pull a fast one!
There's absolutely no need to contact HTC. Clove are the ones responsible.
Any faults within six months are assumed to be manufacturer defects unless the retailer can prove the fault was caused by the customer. If they can't prove it, then the OP should be given a new phone.
This is one of the advantages of buying the phone from a carrier
I've had 4 swaps, all bootloader unlocks. I'd be surprised if the carrier even knew what and how to check, lol
Pakr said:
Why are they using the term illegal software?
Last time I checked there's nothing illegal about custom Roms.
Android is open source. (And the bootloader isn't supposed to be locked.)
Unauthorised maybe would have been a better term for them to use.
And why should the software matter when it is a hardware issue?
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Well, custom ROMs that have Sense are... let's say on the edge of the law (just to be politically correct on the forum). Sense is not open source, so distributing it as a part of a ROM that is not made or approved by HTC is a violation.
And bad software can cause hw damage. Take overclocking for example - the extra heat can cause all sorts of issues: CPU damage, battery damage and even screen damage both from the heat itself and from possible battery expansion inside the phone. So if you knowingly violate the warranty terms, you have to know that it may render your phone into a very, VERY expensive brick. And if you have issues with your phone, it's not very smart to void the warranty if you intend to send it back in the first place.
That said, why the company doesn't charge you for a two-way shipping of the phone when you send it is beyond me. Now it really feels like a ransom.
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This is what is putting me off using HTCdev. They can use this as an excuse when they want and with ticking the disclaimer you have more or less said ok, even if its bull**** what they are saying. You only have to get an arseole at HTC to be the one that looks at your phone and this happens
OP: Have you tried doing an online chat with HTC or phoned them? Id leave Clove out of it because they wont fight your corner and HTC are giving them the excuse not to. Should be quicker leaving the middle man out.
Hey everyone.
So basically, I live in Hong Kong, and there is an official HTC support center.
So I bought an HTC One X from my carrier, and then after a few days, I noticed I had a yellow spot, but before I detected this problem, I already went on HTCdev and unlocked my bootloader. So I called up HTC HK and talked to a guy, he insisted that I am able to fix it for free. Now, don't ask me why my carrier didn't take it in, they said I must bring it to HTC support center in Yau Ma Tei because it was beyond the 7 day in-store exchange warranty.
I sent my phone in the first time because of the screen issue, and it took about a week. They called me and said, that they are unable to replace the entire device because I unlocked the bootloader, telling me it will cost HKD 1800, and I said, NO! I sent it in because of the screen and not the motherboard! They replaced my phone's screen only, and not the entire device. So when I got my phone back, I had the exact motherboard which said "RELOCKED" and my Serial number matched up with my old one. So they had their hands digging through my 12 day old phone. I checked my phone for other defects, and wouldn't you know it, I found out ANOTHER problem on my screen, yellow spots appeared somewhere else as well as either a dead pixel was located in the middle of the screen, or a speck of dust, I'm not sure. So I yelled at them, and they took it back in.
The second time I sent it in, as I said before, was because of the unidentified dot in the middle of the screen AND the relocated yellow tint on the screen. As they stated before, they said they can't replace the entire device due to the unlocking of the bootloader, so they replaced the screen again. I was told to check the phone, and I found hairline cracks all over the phone. I WAS ABSOLUTELY FURIOUS. All those cracks were due to the repair and poor service, **** SERVICE REPAIR. Okay, I calmed down, I sent it back in, and they said they will replace the housing for me. I was infuriated at the fact that after I told them to repair it for me again, they told me that they will now ask a "Senior Technician" to look over this case, in my head I thought "WHAT THE ****, did you ****ing ask a "Junior technician" to fix this HKD5198 phone?" But I let it all slide, and I got it repaired again.
So yes, the last repair was because the casing was cracked. I took it back in, and was extremely dissatisfied with their repair service. So after listening to all the bull**** they told me AGAIN (voided warranty due to bootloader unlock), I verified my entire phone and checked everything, to make sure everything worked and looked good. I left the place with a fully functioning phone with no yellow spots and unidentified black spots on the screen.
I left the HTC support center, which is a 30 minute ride from my home area (Mid-Levels), and went to my service provider (one2free), I requested to see the senior manager of the company, waited for 15 minutes, and then when I saw him, we requested to speak in a private level of the shop. All staff were forced out of the level, and we started yelling at him. After 45 minutes of constant replies saying "We can't replace your phone directly because firstly, your phone is over the 7 day in-store exchange warranty, and secondly, we need to ask HTC for permission first". At this time, it was around 10pm, and he finally gave in because he was a nice person and we were one of the extreme-VIPs with over 10 unlimited contracts per month (HKD 500/number = HKD5000 a month). After a while, he finally decided to change my phone to the Samsung Galaxy S II LTE phone, which I used for one week. I rooted that phone, and when I restarted CWM recovery, the softkeys broke, even after stock software restore, it was still broken, so they exchanged it for a new phone.
I missed my beloved HTC One X because of the speed and elegancy, so I decided to head over to 3 HK (Hutchison Telecom HK) and my friend took my Samsung Galaxy S II, then helped me get a brand new second batch HTC One X under his number and I was so happy. Flawless to the perfect detail.
That was my story. You guys have any stories on your warranties and HTCdev unlocks? Post below!
That's one hell of a story xD. Good to hear it all turned out well even though you had to go through all that ****. I want to root my phone but because of these stories I don't want to unlock the bootloader...
I have a small yellow dot on the left side of the screen. It's almost not visible only if you look closely on a white background. It doesn't bother me and I could've gotten worse problems so yeah I decided to be happy with this model.
The first post in this thread started on May 2 warned everyone that HTC's no longer providing warranty repairs if they detect a device has had third party s/w loaded on to it. You can unlock the bootloader and still get work done under warranty but you can't load non-official ROMs. There are at least three different threads discussing this and one provides a link to spam HTC's blog in the UK voicing disapproval of the new policy.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1631466
Lol @ you yelling at them
And then taking the manager into a level and kicking the staff out to YELL at the manager aswel lol nice problem solving
They were a crap service and didn't help you much but after you kicking staff out of a level to yell at the manager
Don't expect the manager to help you out much even if you are "VIP" and you go off at the manager hes going to think your an arse and just find the fastest way to get rid of you
I used to work for a service provider in back end and the staff from front desk would always come out to the back and the first thing they'd say is "some prick just went off at me" and if its something that particular staff member didn't do and it was another staff members fault your name and "your a prick gets passed" around the office and nobody will want to help
The best way, is just let whoever your speaking to, know that youre not happy with the service your getting and that you're not actually angry at THAT person your speaking to
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Sounds like the device was fixed under warranty. His complaints are that he had to travel 30 minutes and ask more than once for repair.
He wanted a replacement device after voiding the warranty, but didn't want to pay for it, so they replaced the screen under warranty (twice?). And then the casing.
You can't please everybody.
I had a screen problem too but not a yellow spot. If i change the brightness to full and use a black wallpaper you can see a blue spot in the middle of the screen. This is my second HOX after i returned the first one through my carrier in australia because of screen flex and cracking and it took 2 weeks.
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how typical hk person OP is. (I am from HK as well, we are also known as the complain society)
voiding the warranty with htcdev before getting a replacement phone.
doesn't want to pay for repair even though the warranty is voided.
screaming and yelling...
A VIP expecting best services because his is an expensive phone (they use the more experienced to fix more complicated issues, not based on the phone price)
and then break yet another phone lol
Can't say I feel sorry about what happened to you :S
BarryH_GEG said:
The first post in this thread started on May 2 warned everyone that HTC's no longer providing warranty repairs if they detect a device has had third party s/w loaded on to it. You can unlock the bootloader and still get work done under warranty but you can't load non-official ROMs. There are at least three different threads discussing this and one provides a link to spam HTC's blog in the UK voicing disapproval of the new policy.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1631466
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Read the entire forum post a few days ago. I sent the device in with a relocked bootloader with the stock RUU reinstalled in it. I know that there was no "illegal software" (as they called it in the other port) present on the device when I sent it in 3 times.
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They were a crap service and didn't help you much but after you kicking staff out of a level to yell at the manager
Don't expect the manager to help you out much even if you are "VIP" and you go off at the manager hes going to think your an arse and just find the fastest way to get rid of you
I used to work for a service provider in back end and the staff from front desk would always come out to the back and the first thing they'd say is "some prick just went off at me" and if its something that particular staff member didn't do and it was another staff members fault your name and "your a prick gets passed" around the office and nobody will want to help
The best way, is just let whoever your speaking to, know that youre not happy with the service your getting and that you're not actually angry at THAT person your speaking to
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In Hong Kong, one2free/CSL 1O1O is the most "luxurious" and "prestigious" carriers out there for business and high-end markets, so they state. In theory they are supposed to give out good handsets and not flawed ones. Every handset could be flawed and the manufacturers don't want it to be flawed, but the fact that they had the policy of 7 day in-store exchange and I detected it one day after, is just stupid.
But, I know, we weren't actually actually mad at the person we were talking to, he was just trying to help. The other person who was actually furious was because of the phone. We resulted in a happy ending anyways, and that guy told him he wasn't angry at him, rather he was just angry at the service HTC had to provide. We're not that cold hearted you know
I understand where you're going where you said that reasoning is the best way to handle these types of situations, but then it also requires a bit of yelling, and I'll talk about it below.
BenPope said:
Sounds like the device was fixed under warranty. His complaints are that he had to travel 30 minutes and ask more than once for repair.
He wanted a replacement device after voiding the warranty, but didn't want to pay for it, so they replaced the screen under warranty (twice?). And then the casing.
You can't please everybody.
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Yes, you can't please everybody. But have a think about this: How could a repair center do such a crap job that they had to repair it 3 times consecutively? Did they not do a quality check after they fixed the device? I mean, even if I did want to just replace the screen, they should have done it more professionally, not break the casing while repairing the screen.
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how typical hk person OP is. (I am from HK as well, we are also known as the complain society)
voiding the warranty with htcdev before getting a replacement phone.
doesn't want to pay for repair even though the warranty is voided.
screaming and yelling...
A VIP expecting best services because his is an expensive phone (they use the more experienced to fix more complicated issues, not based on the phone price)
and then break yet another phone lol
Can't say I feel sorry about what happened to you :S
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We're not really classified as the "complain society", we just have many lazy people working for high-end companies and don't do ****, try to get rid of their assigned jobs as soon as possible and just slack off. Without requesting (yelling) to see the manager, they probably would just lie to you and say "Sorry! The manager is not here". As soon as they know how furious we are, they wouldn't mess with us and they would do their job properly.
Maybe if you lived in Hong Kong long enough and had the experience of poor service everywhere, you would know that yelling at them to get them to do something is the only way to get what you want.
If we didn't yell at them, they wouldn't have even prioritized this problem and just told us to leave with a broken phone because of a manufacturing defect on the phone THEY supplied.
This message is just to warn people that if you unlock your bootloader in Hong Kong, and you need a repair, they will repair, and not exchange, as many times as you want.
Hong Kong is a good place, but filled with lazy people due to the current social pressures. Let's say you try reasoning with them, without demanding them to look at your current VIP status, they would LITERALLY just ignore you, and tell you that they won't be able to replace it for you.
When you said "A VIP expecting best services because his is an expensive phone (they use the more experienced to fix more complicated issues, not based on the phone price)", I know where you're going at, you can't have everything. But try thinking, if you had your phone repaired, and then you knew it was an intern who repaired your phone, you would know it was poorly repaired or not, but most likely as your schemas will tell you that experts are more superior in skill that interns.
To be honest, I was fine with my repaired phone. It was the other guy I was with who had a bad day, and demanded that I go exchange my phone at my carrier. I gave my phone to him and went off looking at other phones, and he was just yelling at them in the private room. I didn't know how they actually got it exchanged, but the reasoning guy was there as well, so I guess after some demand to realize priority in this situation, and then 30 minutes of reasoning, everything worked out fine. I got my phone and left, really without saying a word.
Well, I have to agree that the repairwork sounds shoddy. When they fixed my DesireHD, they did great job in Yau Ma Tei.
And yes, service can be bad here.
Can I ask somethin about that famous yellow screen defect and flex issue?
Is it something that the phone comes with from the first day or is it developed gradually?
I mean, if we know that those are the 2 well-known issues, when we buy our phone we can check it for a couple of days and then root. Now, if the problem will develop later, we are in trouble. I'm waiting mine in a few weeks and that's why I ask.
Actually I am from hk lol
We are one hell of an abusive customer is king society.
I worked in service sector for half and it is insanely difficult to please any customers.
People asking for special favors or deals because they are buying expensive items.
I know that sometimes it feels like you have to get the situation serious for them to do anything. But most often when you have to go that far, you are disturbing other customer's who are being serviced.
The manager resolved to those solutions (such as giving a replacement phone when warrenty is void) is actually to shut you up asap. You aren't meant to get repair or replacement once warrenty is void (or so I think it is anyway).
Now that you or your fd has got it, you would feel it is their fault at the start for not just giving you one.
But you ain't supposed to have one.
So don't call them ridiculous, or need to yell to get them do something.
Generally these cases are out of standard routine and not fair for other customers
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As stated, I did all this at night, in a special room. No other customers were there, it was dead quiet.
The point isn't that I voided my warranty. It is half of what I'm saying. We were upset of the job HTC did to repair my phone. And obviously its not like they didn't take my phone because of the warranty void, it was that we wanted to exchange a defective phone 12 days after purchase, 5 days beyond in-store exchange. Even 3 has a 14 day in-store replacement service, why does 1O1O only have 7? That's what I'm saying. Hong Kong carriers don't really give a damn if you unlocked your bootloaders, they don't know how to even check, its only the HTC service center that does this.
The point is, I am supposed to be issued a replacement if the phone THEY supplied had a defect and I had to go exchange it three times. They didn't care for bootloader unlocks, they just cared for their stupid 7 day in-store warranty and their lack of support after that.
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SGS2 LTE rooted or not?
Dear Nicholas,
I have been doing exhilarating research about rooting these days because the information available for my phone is a little confusing, really. So I'm quite anxious about making mistakes and all, you know ;-) and getting into trouble like yours.
Now you have just briefly mentioned here that:
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After a while, he finally decided to change my phone to the Samsung Galaxy S II LTE phone, which I used for one week. I rooted that phone, and when I restarted CWM recovery, the softkeys broke, even after stock software restore, it was still broken, so they exchanged it for a new phone.
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I just got a new GT-I9210 LTE and the rooting information is very confusing everywhere, people using Skyrocket ROMs and such claiming they're the same, but many saying the soft keys broke. Apparently this particular model doesn't have a solid community of users like Nexus or others. So I'm quite anxious about making mistakes and all, you know ;-)
And I happened to come across your post in another thread titled "[Q] Samsung Galaxy S II LTE Root [SOLVED]" from May 9, where you said that you successfully rooted SGS2 LTE (your mentioned specs exactly match mine) and your soft keys and everything works perfectly.
Now, I'm not trying to catch you out or anything, I was very excited when I found your instructions there first but I am just wondering, is this the same phone you are talking about here and there?
I would like to follow your method if it really worked.
Hey all. Just to share my experience with you guys. Have a One X Malaysian unit, purchased in April, unlocked in May. Sometime two weeks back, noticed very weak Bluetooth and WiFi signals. Reverted to stock using the latest 2.17 RUU, confirmed it was a hardware issue. Sent it back to HTC on Friday and got a call from them today.
Basically, they confirmed the problem was a hardware issue, but as my unit had it's boot loader unlocked, they said warranty was void on the motherboard.
I asked if the unlocking of the bootloader could have caused his. They said they could not ascertain if it did.
I then asked why was it stated on the HTCDev website that unlocking MAY void warranty, but no details are given on what part of the warranty is void. The rep could not answer.
I understand if I OCed and burned the cores or something, but WiFi and Bluetooth failures are a defect. So I then sent an email to HTC Taiwan explaining the situation, have yet to receive a response. Let's see what transpires.
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i really wish htc would get a huge fine for this blatant con they're trying to pull.
it's illegal in many countries. for instance in the uk, if the fault occurs within 6 months of purchasing, its upto HTC to prove that you caused the fault or they have to repair.
htc have admitted this design flaw, so how they can even consider rejecting your repair on the basis of an unlocked bootloader is RIDICULOUS (HTC I hope you're reading this - your policies are ****ing stupid and you REALLY need to reconsider them, using somebody who has a brain, preferrably)
Please please please, DO NOT give up. DO NOT go off the phone, or leave them alone until they agree to fix THEIR design fault for free.
Rule 1 of sending a phone back to manufacturer: Lock the bootloader up again. At the end of the day HTC are a corporation, and will do anything they can to make sure they don't have to replace faulty units. This is why the EU have so many consumer protection laws, to stop this happening.
Not sure where you can go from here though, perhaps you can take it back to the store you purchased it from, and get them to replace it?
Relocking the boot leader wont help. They still know you unlocked it.
Tell them they had better have proof you damaged it or you'll commence litigation. What they are doing is illegal.
@OP I had the same issue. I waited 2 months or maybe even longer in the hope that a RUU for my phone would pop up, which it hasn't. I'm not sure if it's out now but i don't need it anyway.
I was on arhd 9.2.0 and got sick of my faulty unit, so without second thought i went to my provider with an unlocked bootloader and custom rom on my phone, sent it in and had it sent back to me two weeks later completely fixed. My warranty was not voided, they were even did a factory reset.
But then again, i live in europe and our laws help us. Just like with mobile internet, every contract now has unlimited data, due to the fact that anyone who would exceed a certain limit ended up paying a hefty some. Glad we have this internet issue out the way too
Good luck to you hope it goes well
lawrence750 said:
i really wish htc would get a huge fine for this blatant con they're trying to pull.
it's illegal in many countries. for instance in the uk, if the fault occurs within 6 months of purchasing, its upto HTC to prove that you caused the fault or they have to repair.
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I really wish people would stop repeating this nonsense. The responsibility lies with the retailer, not the manufacturer.
Scare the rep using strong legal words, and say you asked some of your lawyer friends and stuff like that so you can speak to a higher person, remember to speak professional and don't use unpleasant/raging behavior and the rep will hopefully consider your situation and try to help.
I once bought a laptop at a large retailer and dropped the laptop and broke the screen the first day, and managed to get it replaced by speaking the to manager of the customer service although it was against the warranty, they're human after all and business is not always just business
Scan the WiFI HARDWARE FAULT thread for useful posts. Try going through an alternative service center. I got mine rejected by one service center and I got it fixed from another service center.
BenPope said:
I really wish people would stop repeating this nonsense. The responsibility lies with the retailer, not the manufacturer.
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Only nonsense i see is the one you are spewing. Have you ever installed windows 7 over vista,xp, or something alike?
Imagine how ridiculous it would be if you install windows 7 and your desktop is under-warranty and they will tell you you're not allowed to have your phone repaired because you installed a newer OS. Damn right - ridiculous.
I've sent in my HOX once before due to earjack problems (something stuck inside?).
I sent it in directly, unlocked, custom ROM, faux' kernal.
They fixed it for me and even replaced my battery for free!
They then returned my phone, stock, locked(not relocked).
And the IMEI number changed as well, basically a new phone.
Hmmm
shadehh said:
Only nonsense i see is the one you are spewing. Have you ever installed windows 7 over vista,xp, or something alike?
Imagine how ridiculous it would be if you install windows 7 and your desktop is under-warranty and they will tell you you're not allowed to have your phone repaired because you installed a newer OS. Damn right - ridiculous.
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You completely missed my point.
In the UK your statutory rights are with the retailer NOT the manufacturer.
BenPope said:
I really wish people would stop repeating this nonsense. The responsibility lies with the retailer, not the manufacturer.
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to be fair it hasn't been said whether op bought it from htc or not
you are right though, i should have been more specific
mervlee said:
Hey all. Just to share my experience with you guys. Have a One X Malaysian unit, purchased in April, unlocked in May. Sometime two weeks back, noticed very weak Bluetooth and WiFi signals. Reverted to stock using the latest 2.17 RUU, confirmed it was a hardware issue. Sent it back to HTC on Friday and got a call from them today.
Basically, they confirmed the problem was a hardware issue, but as my unit had it's boot loader unlocked, they said warranty was void on the motherboard.
I asked if the unlocking of the bootloader could have caused his. They said they could not ascertain if it did.
I then asked why was it stated on the HTCDev website that unlocking MAY void warranty, but no details are given on what part of the warranty is void. The rep could not answer.
I understand if I OCed and burned the cores or something, but WiFi and Bluetooth failures are a defect. So I then sent an email to HTC Taiwan explaining the situation, have yet to receive a response. Let's see what transpires.
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Mods should inform You that there are a specific thread to deal about bad wifi signal. Do not create a new thread to inform us something that we already know.
Thanks
I know about the bad WiFi signal. I'm just sharing my experience with regards to HTC customer service. It's an authorized unit sold by an HTC appointed distributor, relocked and reset using the latest RUU. However, the status on the boot loader will show RELOCKED instead of LOCKED.
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mervlee said:
I know about the bad WiFi signal. I'm just sharing my experience with regards to HTC customer service. It's an authorized unit sold by an HTC appointed distributor, relocked and reset using the latest RUU. However, the status on the boot loader will show RELOCKED instead of LOCKED.
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Well, it seems another thread blaming Htc brand.
Look. I love the HTC brand, been a fervent supporter for the past 2 years. I'll give credit where credit is due. So please refrain from being presumptuous of the purpose of my article. Again, I'm waiting to hear back from HTC to see what their stand is. If they change their minds, at least other HTC owners who are in the same predicament as myself may have a chance of getting some fair treatment.
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I have a similar problem, i have yellow spots on the screen, and the service center denied the repair becose of the relocoed bootloader.
What we need to do is to find a way to make the bootloader say locked instead of relocked and everything will be ok.
I used to own a Galaxy S 2, that phone had a counter for custom roms, if you wanted to claim warranty all you needed to do was to reset the binary counter using the usb jig or a apk called triangle away.
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Look. I love the HTC brand, been a fervent supporter for the past 2 years. I'll give credit where credit is due. So please refrain from being presumptuous of the purpose of my article. Again, I'm waiting to hear back from HTC to see what their stand is. If they change their minds, at least other HTC owners who are in the same predicament as myself may have a chance of getting some fair treatment.
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Mate, you give your point of view about your problem, and I am giving my point of view about your post that in fact is what I said. So ifI you asking for respect for your point of view respect my point of view. As you say you are waiting for a reply so I do not understand why you post if you have not got an answer yet. I would see logical your post If you got a reply but you got not yet.
My One X suffered from bad screen fitment out of the box (creaking, screen moving up and down inside the casing...) and I unlocked/rommed it before I noticed the flaws.
I relocked the bootloader, installed the 2.17 RUU, and sent the phone back to Germany (as it was bought in Ger and I live in Croatia) to get it repaired, they accepted it and repaired, it's on its way home now, should be here tomorrow, took 3 weeks to repair.
One big plus for HTC Germany (when it gets here and is fixed, that is).
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My One X suffered from bad screen fitment out of the box (creaking, screen moving up and down inside the casing...) and I unlocked/rommed it before I noticed the flaws.
I relocked the bootloader, installed the 2.17 RUU, and sent the phone back to Germany (as it was bought in Ger and I live in Croatia) to get it repaired, they accepted it and repaired, it's on its way home now, should be here tomorrow, took 3 weeks to repair.
One big plus for HTC Germany (when it gets here and is fixed, that is).
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I had a similar story, my HOX suffered bad wifi signal, and then unroted, relocked, sent to HTC and get it bak repaired for free. But it was on Spain HTC.