So I have what may be an obvious question, but it's not one which I have run into before. (my previous device was a Droid 2 which used a fairly generic boot loader)
I got my phone used off Ebay about 3 weeks ago. When I did, I assumed it was a stock Dinc, and so collected everything that I would need to mod it. Low and behold when it arrived and I charged it up, it had already been rooted, S-offed, and had CWM on it (the auction had not mentioned it being a rooted phone) So it took a sum total of five minutes to flash a new rom in.
Now, on further digging around, I find it has an old radio on it, (2.15.00.07.28) and also still has the old owner's phone number in it. Now, a few forum posts I have read in the past few weeks have indicated that installing a newer radio rom may improve some of the functions such as the light metering of the camera... but I have also seen that doing so may bork the S-off as this is stored in the radio rom?
What effect would it have if I put a radio rom on this already rooted and now rommed phone (Albinoman's JBb3). Should I just do it, or should I return the phone to totally stock prior to upgrading the radio software? And also, is there a way to erase the old owner's phone number from the My Phone Number field since this is now a wifi-only device and i'd rather the OS not send that info out when it's not correct.
Or am I just completely off base and don't need to worry about the radio at all?
Thanks for any help in advance!
You dont have to return to stock to flash the radio.
With radios I think it depends on your area. One radio that works great for someone may be terrible for someone else. The general consensus is that updated/newer software would improve the experience but I think with radios it varies. If you do change the radio make a backup and check the md5. Latest dinc radio is in my SIG.
Sent from my ADR6300 using xda premium
Changing your radio will not mess up s-off or anything else as long as you check the md5 and take the proper precautions. Also changing the radio will not help the camera or anything else besides your cell signal.
S-off is stored deeper than the radio, but tools like unrevoked use certain versions of radios to gain access to this setting and modify it.
No need to revert to stock, and there is NEVER a need to go s-on unless your selling the phone or sending it to HTC. I see so many people say they went s-on to fix some kind of issue, or to upgrade and then the phone messes up durring the proccess and it makes it much harder to fix.
You can remove the number by accessing epst. Dial ##778# hit edit mode and type six zeros as the password. Go to each menu option editing the info you dont want there. Replace numbers with an equal ammountvof zeros (147-237-9900 = 000-000-0000) When done hit menu and commit changes.
You can get all the different radios here. http://dinc.does-it.net/Radios/
cmlusco said:
Changing your radio will not mess up s-off or anything else as long as you check the md5 and take the proper precautions. Also changing the radio will not help the camera or anything else besides your cell signal.
S-off is stored deeper than the radio, but tools like unrevoked use certain versions of radios to gain access to this setting and modify it.
No need to revert to stock, and there is NEVER a need to go s-on unless your selling the phone or sending it to HTC. I see so many people say they went s-on to fix some kind of issue, or to upgrade and then the phone messes up durring the proccess and it makes it much harder to fix.
You can remove the number by accessing epst. Dial ##778# hit edit mode and type six zeros as the password. Go to each menu option editing the info you dont want there. Replace numbers with an equal ammountvof zeros (147-237-9900 = 000-000-0000) When done hit menu and commit changes.
You can get all the different radios here. http://dinc.does-it.net/Radios/
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Thanks for the answers, that filled in a lot of blanks for me I Figured I didn't need to go S-on, but I didn't know if, like on my old Droid 2, there were certain situations where I'd have to revert to stock before flashing.
UPDATE, I flashed the radio yesterday to 2.15 with no problems. Got a tiny bump in my battery (which tells me the old radio was working harder than it had to)
##778# didn't work for me though, instead it rang up "welcome to verizon" and wanted me to wait to talk to an operator about placing my call.
also tried without the third hash, also tried ##3424 and ##775... all with variations on the same result; either my phone is not in service, or my phone number is inactive... none of them accessed the menu system.
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I also tried variations on #program# and #data# with no luck,and tried turning off all the radios I could get at.
Any further ideas or steps I may be missing would be greatly appreciated. I also put in an ask over on the rom forum.
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also tried without the third hash, also tried ##3424 and ##775... all with variations on the same result; either my phone is not in service, or my phone number is inactive... none of them accessed the menu system.
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I also tried variations on #program# and #data# with no luck,and tried turning off all the radios I could get at.
Any further ideas or steps I may be missing would be greatly appreciated. I also put in an ask over on the rom forum.
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Have you tried *#*#data#*#* or *#*#program#*#*
Yeah, tried those as well... but got my answer, apparently only Sense-based Roms can use ESPT, and since I'm running Albinoman's JB rom, no go for me unless I flash over to a sense-rom, make the changes, then flash back. Might be a project for tomorrow while the laundry is going... or perhaps I'll wait for beta four of the JB Rom, flash to sense, do the tweak, then flash to the new beta.
but I'm getting there. in the last week I have inserted new kernels, new radios, And troubleshot this problem, plus dialed in my Nova interface tighter and tighter, in addition to the font toying and so on I've been doing. who knows, sooner or later I might even try to compile something.
thanks for the assist though. Is much appreciated.
well, at the end of the day, I never did get EPST working. I tried several different sense roms, tried installing the APK and pushing it from ADK, the closest I got was to punch in ##788# and it would say "loading requested resource" and then, nothing.
so now I'm on to Release Candidate #2 of Albinoman's 4.1 Rom and will come back to the phone number issue later.
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I have been happily flashing ROM's, creating a Goldcard for a couple of weeks since getting my Hero and have just done a Radio update. I just realised I have no idea what the Radio update actually does.
Could someone explain in fairly simple terms what it is all about, I guess I have cat blood and curiosity has got the better of me
Sure. The radio update flashes the software on the little 'chip' that deals with mobile network/GPS/WiFI/Bluetooth etc. (basically all communications).
The update changes the software to a newer version, which can give better signal and battery life (It's a bit like flashing a normal ROM, except it's only for the communications hardware or baseband as iPhone users call it).
For more info, see http://android.modaco.com/content/h...-update-zip-format-for-gsm-hero/#entry1059164 which also gives you a list of them
Thanks for the prompt reply and simple terms. I am almost getting to the stage where I am qualified to make a phone call
Ah, great, I was wondering about this too. Is there any difference which radio rom you flash apart from GSM/CDMA? (My Hero has a suspicious "EU" in it which the roms I've seen online have not. Might just be some versioning, but then again it might be "europe"...)
How do you update your radio? Do you have to wipe?
EU doesnt mean europe, it is a way of identifying the radio version, like there is JU, JH, etc.
I found this out from other sources in the mean while (and forgot about this thread; it's been a couple of weeks after all), but thanks for replying anyway, it'll surely help the next guy wondering.
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How do you update your radio? Do you have to wipe?
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In the link posted a few posts up, you'll find the radio updates in the update.zip format needed to update via recovery mode, like any other custom ROM flash to your phone. However, Radio updates are typically included in the official RUU updates as well, but those will obviously unroot your phone.
Aside from increasing battery life/signal strength, radio updates can bring bugfixes and features. Newer OS ROMs typically work best with the latest Radio ROMs. After I rooted, I had an "EU" radio on my Telus Hero, and I couldn't make long distance calls unless the phone number had a "+" in front of it in my contact list. Updating the radio fixed that. Hope this info helps.
yeah it helped
But i dont understand the order of updating. First i transfer the update of the ROM to the phone and call it update.zip and the flash that ROM. But then i have to boot up the phone, to transfer the new radio and boot that.
Can it be true that i have to boot the phone and then tranfer the new radio, and the go into bootloader and flash the new update.zip?
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yeah it helped
But i dont understand the order of updating. First i transfer the update of the ROM to the phone and call it update.zip and the flash that ROM. But then i have to boot up the phone, to transfer the new radio and boot that.
Can it be true that i have to boot the phone and then tranfer the new radio, and the go into bootloader and flash the new update.zip?
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OK. Well, the file doesn't *have* to be called update.zip. The recovery image has an option to choose a zip file, which makes things much much easier, as you can flash several files without rebooting, although I believe you have to reboot as part of the radio flash process. With this in mind, I would flash the OS update first, then the radio update. However, it really doesn't matter what order you flash them in. While the OS and radio rely on each other for the phone to operate properly, they are completely separate and individual from a flashing standpoint. They both get flashed in the exact same way from the recovery image, however with the radio, rebooting the phone is a necessary part of the process. If you were (for some dumb reason) to flash the radio and then remove the battery before the phone had completely rebooted, you'd end up with a broken (and possibly bricked) phone.
I wouldn't flash a radio without having an os installed, so if you have wiped then flash an os first. Just to make sure everything goes smooth.
A new radio file won't install until you do the first boot after installing which from memory is forced on you, so you will want to have a rom installed.
Thanks for the information about radio, quite useful. I have tried several ROMs lately but haven´t touched the radio yet. I guess if update to more recent one can improve battery and signal as it has been mentioned before.
I will try and see how my Hero behaves
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Thanks for the information about radio, quite useful. I have tried several ROMs lately but haven´t touched the radio yet. I guess if update to more recent one can improve battery and signal as it has been mentioned before.
I will try and see how my Hero behaves
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Yeah once again just make sure you install the radio for your phone type.
E.g. GSM (I am guessing as you are on this forum and not he sprint one)
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Yeah once again just make sure you install the radio for your phone type.
E.g. GSM (I am guessing as you are on this forum and not he sprint one)
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So basically you just have to watch out if the radio is for GSM or CDMA and then you are good to go?
alpha124 said:
So basically you just have to watch out if the radio is for GSM or CDMA and then you are good to go?
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Yes
And don't panic when it takes up to 5 mins to boot first time.
Radio update
HI ALL
please ,if i flah the radio , i loste des root ?.
And please wish methode to flash wihtout lost the root
PS:I have the hero
thanks for help
flashing radio doesn't do anything to the rom, you won't lose your root.
thanks Lennyuk,
Please you confirm that if i flash only the radio ,the root is not pacted ?
Sorry for my bad english and my bad request
Hi. I recently rooted and installed a WWE "sensefroyo" rom off the internet.
And I just figured out (since a couple of hours) that my speaker isn't working AT ALL.
Before, it worked when you left the battery out for a minute and put it back in. it worked flawlessly. But after a while it'd go back to being messed up.
Now its screwed. and wont work at all.
I didnt realise I needed to get it replaced till now.
I really need the Telus Desire rom asap. As I just emailed them about it, and most likely need to get it replaced/fixed. And I dont know much about Telus, if you lose warranty privileges if you root/custom ROM it.
Unless I can tell them that I installed the official 2.2 ROM (dont know if it needs root) off those .exe files (the RUU_Signed) kind. (They didn't work for me. So i rooted using recovery)
Or if you can link me to one where I can find a rom that does not require rooting, and has an .exe file and a copy of a .zip kind.
I wrote a lot here, and its all over the place.
Right now. Either link me to the Telus Desire rom. or one where I can flash without rooting.
I am going to unroot as soon as I get one of those two things^
Thanks. I just hope you guys know what kind of freaky situation I am in.
Where did you buy it, and how long has it been since you bought it?
Depending on those factors, you may not need to worry too much.
I had it activated on a 3 year contract almost a week ago(Not even a week)
What do you mean by I will not have to worry about these things?
Is Telus a carrier that is more on the 'chill' side of things?
EDIT - So I just got off the phone with Telus.
The representative told me if I installed something that Telus did not release. That basically voids my warranty. So now I really need to get back exactly as it was before.
Can someone please help me out here?
I need to go to a dealer soon to get it replaced.
I am pretty sure I can unroot it myself with no issues I guess.
I really need something that matches with the same stats as a Telus Desire.
You should probably try starting over.
If your rom is still rooted, get ROM Manager and install clockworkmod.
You can install something stable like opendesire and wipe data/cache.
You should be fine, unless you really have some unusual desire to be on Telus' rom.
I was wondering if someone can post what their 'software version' looked like on a Telus Desire
Maybe then I can try to get the same radio and 'stats' as a factory device.
I got on a rep and they also said that the worst thing that can happen is your device will be sent back.
They even said that some people wont even notice the software change and stuff.
If at the end I cant get a Telus rom. I would LOVE a link to an Eclair build rom. Possibly one that is an official.
Didn't you nandroid backup prior to moving to froyo?
From what I understand you can restore from that.
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Didn't you nandroid backup prior to moving to froyo?
From what I understand you can restore from that.
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I actually have NO idea what nandroid was.
I just followed instructions off a tut on xda.
So I cant seem to find factory eclair roms.
Now I read around a little bit more.
And just feel completely stupid.
Please. Someone. A factory Eclair build.
start by getting clockworkmod installed.
Without knowing what state your device is in, it's tough to help you.
but with clockworkmod recovery going, you will easily be able to switch between roms.
Honestly you couldn't have bought it that long ago, just return it to the store, the guys don't even know how to check.
routehero said:
start by getting clockworkmod installed.
Without knowing what state your device is in, it's tough to help you.
but with clockworkmod recovery going, you will easily be able to switch between roms.
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I already do have it. Thats how i installed all the different roms (Leedroid, Nightly Cyanogen, and then eventually the official one)
Hold on for a couple of minutes as I can provide you with some of my hboot and so recovery options. (Using the WiFi hot spot at the moment)
Other then that. Here is my 'software version'
android 2.2 with the latest 32.43.00.32U_5.09.00.20 radio
Kernel is
2.6.32.15-g1fc4045
[email protected]#1
Build #
2.06.832.1 CL207528 test-keys
Software Number
2.06.832.1
with the obvious webkit 3.1
hboot info?
BRAVO PVT3 SHIP S-ON
HBOOT-0.83.0001
MICROP-051d
TOUCH PANEL-SYNT0101
RADIO-5.09.00.20
Jun 10 2010, 12:12:05
Used ClockworkMod Recovery v2.5.0.1
Yes it is an SLCD display?
you needs more? - tell me what exactly you need and how I can get it
download opendesire 3.5.0, wipe data/cache, flash that.
after you set it up, let us know what's not working.
If I were you, I would go back to the store you got it from, with your recipt and contract. You have 14 days to return any phone. That's how I got my desire, I returned a Hero. Make sure you take everythign back you got, charger, phones, etc. Tell them waiting to get a band new phone fixed is a waste of your time, and you want to exchange the phone right away.
So long as you have a sense UI ROM running, I doubt they will know you have rooted the phone. The guys where I bought the phone didn't know too much about it.
If you managed to get a tech support guy to tell you they might not notice, you clearly have the power to get what you need from people. Be forceful if you have to, within 2 weeks they should just give you a brand new phone. After 14days though, your gonna have to live with no speaker, hope it's actually a software issue(doesn't sould like it if even stock it was failing), or send it back and hope they don't miss it. To the best of my knowledge there are no Telus official roms to be found, but there are many official roms from other places. As long as your background doesn't say VodaPhone or something, how will they know?
ajanu said:
If I were you, I would go back to the store you got it from, with your recipt and contract. You have 14 days to return any phone. That's how I got my desire, I returned a Hero. Make sure you take everythign back you got, charger, phones, etc. Tell them waiting to get a band new phone fixed is a waste of your time, and you want to exchange the phone right away.
So long as you have a sense UI ROM running, I doubt they will know you have rooted the phone. The guys where I bought the phone didn't know too much about it.
If you managed to get a tech support guy to tell you they might not notice, you clearly have the power to get what you need from people. Be forceful if you have to, within 2 weeks they should just give you a brand new phone. After 14days though, your gonna have to live with no speaker, hope it's actually a software issue(doesn't sould like it if even stock it was failing), or send it back and hope they don't miss it. To the best of my knowledge there are no Telus official roms to be found, but there are many official roms from other places. As long as your background doesn't say VodaPhone or something, how will they know?
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Telus has 30 day DOA over the counter exchange.
YAh but he made the mistake of telling them e rooted and flashed it (why on earth would any one do that i dont know)
So they have flagged that IMEI in the system as void.
Your best bet is to try doing a wipe and flashing back to the telus 2.1 rom and radio, you will, the recovery is gone though as we dont hava ruu.
Actually. I didnt. I went straight for asking the question off a residential phone that uses Rogers. So they don't know who I was or any account related things.
The first time I called though, I told them that the speaker wasnt working and I wanted it replaced.
So no my IMEI is not flagged, guarantee you that part.
I will try using the OpenDesire 3.5.0 with "clear/wire cache"
This might work for you and i think its your best bet.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=6710085&postcount=3
Go to the above thread, follow the instructions and make a gold card.
then go to the following thread, download official froyo rom and flash it. It looks almost the same as the original rom.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=753672
I cant seem to do the goldcard thing.
I am using the official 2.2 at the moment.
It does look the same as 2.1 Telus itself.
What does it mean over here?
# Ensure you have unzipped the SDK, then open a command prompt to the extract location. Change to the 'tools directory.
# Type
Code:
adb shell cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc1/mmc1:*/cid
and press enter. You should get a very long number which looks like this: 532600bd227d9c0347329407514d5402.
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I cant seem to do the "command prompt" location thing.
Someone wanna help me? maybe with some screenshots?
I am done making the GoldCard. What does it even do though?
It has something to do with switching to the factory rom..
Now. I have issues with the RUU. It does not wait long enough for the phone to be in bootloader.
EDIT - Is there any way I can "remove" or uninstall the Superuser Permissions app and the "Wi-Fi Hotspot" app? To make it appear even more legitimate.
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I am done making the GoldCard. What does it even do though?
It has something to do with switching to the factory rom..
Now. I have issues with the RUU. It does not wait long enough for the phone to be in bootloader.
EDIT - Is there any way I can "remove" or uninstall the Superuser Permissions app and the "Wi-Fi Hotspot" app? To make it appear even more legitimate.
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I packed up the telus stock rom from a nandroid dump you can try it.
http://www.mightyrom.com/mrx/MRX/Bravo/Stock/Telus_HTC_Desire_Stock_2.1_NoRADIO.zip
Hey I needed to unroot my phone too and I tried a bunch of things then I was following procedures to root my phone again because I tried installing the Rom that was posted by the person that posted before me and I messed up and got lots of errors when I got the phone started and had to force close a bunch of things constantly. Anyways I followed step 3 of the tut for rooting TELUS desires on this forum site and when it restarted I got my stock TELUS Rom back unrooted. This is the step I followed
3. Go to HBOOT, this is done by shutting down your phone and powering on the device while holding the Power button down and pushing Volume down at the same time, once HBOOT is loaded do a wipe (Clear Storage). You can navigate the menus by using the volume rocker and the Power button to select your option.
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7818278 is the link to the tut I was following.
I dunno how it worked but it did, I got my stock TELUS Rom by doing this. Maybe I got lucky and maybe you might too. Oh and just for your info, the tut I used to root my desire initially was this one forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=750888. Good luck
Hi everyone,
I have an unbranded DHD in the UK, and I'm running 2.2. Just did a check for updates and nothing. Any idea when gingerbread will be arriving? And will I lose root and/or radio s-off? I love my root apps a lot Also not really a fan of custom roms atm as I don't have enough time to play with it if it doesn't work as expected straight away.
Also, what will I lose and keep in the update? Contacts? accounts? apps? App data?
Thanks
Tamen said:
Hi everyone,
I have an unbranded DHD in the UK, and I'm running 2.2. Just did a check for updates and nothing. Any idea when gingerbread will be arriving?
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Already have 3 too many threads about that and don't wish to start another.
Tamen said:
And will I lose root and/or radio s-off? I love my root apps a lot Also not really a fan of custom roms atm as I don't have enough time to play with it if it doesn't work as expected straight away.
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You'll lose root. If you phone is still in a state that it can receive updates.
if you've rooted why not just flash a GB ROM? There are customised ones and even one that is just rooted.
Tamen said:
Also, what will I lose and keep in the update? Contacts? accounts? apps? App data?
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Seems people are saying that nothing was lost but back it all up anyway (yes, lots of apps to back up info, all already mentioned).
Thanks for the swift reply - how do I know if my phone can receive updates? I've rooted with visionary and put radio s-off if that helps
The main reason I don't want to flash custom roms is that it starts become a lot more risky - things do go wrong and you see people bricking their phones. If I bricked my phone I wouldn't have a clue how to fix it and I can't afford the £75 excess on insurance to replace it if it couldn't be fixed, as HTC wouldn't replace it if I broke it trying to do root things to it. I've also read that the latest CWM is having problems?
Tamen said:
Thanks for the swift reply - how do I know if my phone can receive updates? I've rooted with visionary and put radio s-off if that helps
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You should be ok. The actual state you can put a phone to and still receive the update is something I haven't been able to pinpoint yet. Certainly need a stock ROM.
Previous phones needed the stock recovery but I don't think that's the case here.
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The main reason I don't want to flash custom roms is that it starts become a lot more risky - things do go wrong and you see people bricking their phones. If I bricked my phone I wouldn't have a clue how to fix it and I can't afford the £75 excess on insurance to replace it if it couldn't be fixed, as HTC wouldn't replace it if I broke it trying to do root things to it. I've also read that the latest CWM is having problems?
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The time when you are most at risk of bricking your phone is rooting and flashing a radio.
Flashing a ROM is 99% risk free. You've done the risky bit.
Cheers - though I haven't flashed a radio I don't think (unless radio s-off is flashing a radio). It says in the how to install a rom guide (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=964996)
- Select "Install Zip from sdcard"
- Select "Choose zip from sdcard"
- Select full-wipe-1-3.zip (It's right under those folders)
- Confirm by selecting the Yes option in between those "NO"s
- Wait for it to finish
- DO NOT REBOOT!!! In case you were not aware, you now have no rom installed
If I somehow messed up or knocked the power button and rebooted, what happens? How do I then fix it? Is that a permanent brick?
Not a fan of that wipe.zip. You could do the less risky method first and use wipe from the recovery menu.
If you rebooted you MAY (unlikely) have a brick but more likely you'll just end up back at bootloader.
If something happens while the phone is installing the ROM then you might have a problem.
If the phone is bricked assume you will have to send it to HTC for repair (along with your best innocent "it was like that in the morning, honest" look.
You'll be fine. I'm sure. But know the risks.
Bottom line, don't knock it. It's quite hard to accidentally press the power button.
Haha claim innocence If they do look and say it's your fault, out of warrenty, how much do they charge? They don't have to replace anything, just presumably connect it to a htc computer and run some resets.
Does the phone stay connected throughout this process? What happens if it's not connected when run or becomes disconnected?
Sorry for all the questions, but I just really want to understand everything that happens. If able I'd much rather update to gingerbread then root with an updated visionary or equivalent, though how long that'll take to happen is anyone's guess :/
Unless the instructions say not to I'd leave it connected.
If the instructions say to remove something that means disconnecting the phone (such as swapping SD cards for example) and doesn't say re-insert the phone then don't (this is why you should always be 100% charged before you try these things).
If it is bricked, they will use there tool to get into the eMMC partition and re-install everything. It's unliekly (not happened yet) they will magically restore the phone and go "hold on, you did this".
Don't worry. Ask away (feel free to hit the thanks button IF I say anything useful).
Just to back track, it looks like your wanting to flash a ROM now. Is this a stock ROm or one of the beautiful customised ROM's like LeeDroid?
In a sec I'll thank every post on this thread, you've been really helpful (and patient!)
I heard about gingerbread updating and wondered if root would be lost with the update or if the update would even work at all. You suggested I get a gingerbread rom already rooted, and I said "aarrgh, I'm scared" The rest of the posts are you explaining things to me, though if possible I'd like to stick with official roms for the moment and then root it - will visionary work on 2.3?
No. You will need to use Gingerbreak which will involve downgrading the ROM first.
But to answer the question between the lines, if you update and lose root, all is not lost, it can be reclaimed.
[noob]But the Rom comes from OTA, so how can it be downgraded?[/noob]
But thanks, if root can be re-attained after the update, I'll wait till after the update before doing anything too fast
What you will have to do is take an old RUU, say version 1.32 and install that.
That then allows you to gain access to the required areas of the phone to give you root and anything else you wish (Engineering HBOOT (ENG S-OFF), Radio S-OFF etc.).
When you get to that stage and decide to root etc. you will kick yourself so hard for not doing it earlier
Oh so gingerbread will remove root but not Eng or radio s-off? I'm at 1.32 at the moment so I should get engineering s off while I still can cause getting root in the future will be easier?
Tamen said:
Oh so gingerbread will remove root but not Eng or radio s-off? I'm at 1.32 at the moment so I should get engineering s off while I still can cause getting root in the future will be easier?
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It (The OTA GB ROM) will remove root if you already have it yes. I believe Radio S-OFF is safe. AS for ENG S-OFF (HBOOT) I'm afraid my memory is failing me but with root and Radio S-OFF it would be easy enough to redo ENG S-OFF.
Rooting etc. will only get harder with each update. Version 1.32 is the easiest of all to root and in fact most root / Radio S-OFF etc. threads start by saying "downgrade to 1.32"
[EDIT] Just re-read your post...
Yes, if you make plans now before the OTA update (still not convinced you will get it though) it will be easier in the future but the main one to worry about is Radio S-OFF. This is the easier of the two and IIRC the only one required should you get the OTA update and gain root (via GingerBreak) without having to downgrade first.
I had root + radio s-off, just got ENG s-off too in-case it can't be done after the update. Hopefully this means after gingerbread re-rooting will be easy-ish
Tamen said:
I had root + radio s-off, just got ENG s-off too in-case it can't be done after the update. Hopefully this means after gingerbread re-rooting will be easy-ish
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Puts a huge grin on my face when someone just goes and does this....
But I really really really feel you can't stop now.
Ignoring that I don't think you will get the OTA update you have to now install a GB ROM. After what you have done, flashing a ROM is (relatively speaking) as safe as houses.
Go on!! Android Revolution HD (ARHD) is basically pure stock GB visually with a few goodies thrown in.
Top the day off and flash that ROM.
Do it!!!
Getting ENG s-off was just as simple as getting radio s-off (which I did about a week ago) - I've just heard it's less 'reversable' for if ever you need to go back to stock so had avoided it
The thing with me is that I my brain doesn't really consider things risky or safe based on other people being safe or risky, it's how many places there are to go wrong. One click apps like visionary are relatively safe I just feel a bit daunted by all the steps to flashing a rom. I'll give OTA a chance, but if everyone else on UK unbranded goes "woohoo" and I just sit there like a lemon, I'll maybe start thinking about it
I've got exams coming up (I'm only 15) but if after this week there's no update I'll dedicate a couple of hours to putting a gingersense rom on my phone
What's your preference? And why are there so many no-sense roms? Sense is amazing and is what in my opinion really sets HTC apart - lovely phones with a boosted UI. Why would you ever want to get rid of it?!
EDIT: When flashing a ROM, do you need to factory wipe? Does mybackup root work across roms? I'd like some way of restoring all my contacts, accounts and apps
EDIT2: Something I forgot about earlier; I can't open the compartment to take out my battery, so when there's a solution that says "take out battery, try again", it wouldn't work as I physically cannot take the compartment off to get to the battery. When my phone arrived and I needed to take it off to remove the wrapper on the battery, but I couldn't do it and neither could anyone in my family. So feeling stupid I took it to the orange shop but no luck, so t-mobile, phones4u, O2, carphonewarehouse... loads, none could do it.
One guy told me to take it to a different orange shop and "ask for dean" - so I took it to him and he took it out the back of the shop and somehow did it. He said it just needed force (but clearly an amount nobody before or after him has been able to replicate), and that it was nothing like any other DHD he'd seen as they are usually stiff but do open, this was basically glued. So I better not get into a boot loop that holding down the power button won't fix, as if it's hard to play innocent when it's visibly stuck in a boot loop from custom roms
Tamen said:
Getting ENG s-off was just as simple as getting radio s-off (which I did about a week ago) - I've just heard it's less 'reversable' for if ever you need to go back to stock so had avoided it
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Nope, just as reversible.
Tamen said:
The thing with me is that I my brain doesn't really consider things risky or safe based on other people being safe or risky, it's how many places there are to go wrong. One click apps like visionary are relatively safe I just feel a bit daunted by all the steps to flashing a rom.
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Put ROM on sdcard.
Boot to recovery.
wipe data and cache
install ROM
reboot
Get a brew and marvel and the wonderfulness of it all.
With ROM Manager it can be simpler still.
Tamen said:
I'll give OTA a chance, but if everyone else on UK unbranded goes "woohoo" and I just sit there like a lemon, I'll maybe start thinking about it
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When you start thinking about it install ROM Manager just to get ready.
Tamen said:
I've got exams coming up (I'm only 15) but if after this week there's no update I'll dedicate a couple of hours to putting a gingersense rom on my phone
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Schedule those hours in now. You WILL be flashing ROMs
Tamen said:
What's your preference? And why are there so many no-sense roms? Sense is amazing and is what in my opinion really sets HTC apart - lovely phones with a boosted UI. Why would you ever want to get rid of it?!
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Hee hee. I like Cyanogen (a non-sense ROM) - Will come back to that.
My favourite sense ROMs are LeeDroid by a long way, the guy is a star and the ROM is perfection; after that, Android Revolution HD which will probably be your choice as it's closer to stock than Lee's. Based on what you've said I go with ARHD but if you really want to play, have fun (overclocking etc.) and want your phone to make R2D2 noises when it boots then LeeDroid every time.
And you're right, the Sense UI (which only gets better) does set HTC apart but even without it, I'd only buy a HTC phone now (when I'm buying an Android phone).
Why not [email protected]
Two part answer. The first part is I'm a huge open source and Linux fan. Use Ubuntu on PC and Kubuntu on laptop and my first Android phone was THE first Android phone, the Google (T-Mobile) G1. As such I love Android so I want my phone to be just about Android with a few little extras and NO ONE does that better than Cyanogen. NO ONE.
I still have my G1 and I still love it. That's a vanilla Android phone.
Second part is about bloat. Yes, I do really really like Sense UI. As far as manufacturers bloat-ware goes NOTHING beats Sense UI. It's visually stunning and things like htcsense.com, the clock / weather widget that actually shows weather and that cool windscreen wiper thing and the whole seamless integration twix phone and social is beyond words.
But at the end of the day what is it? It's pretty. I don't use facebook. For twitter I prefer Twidroyd and Tweetdeck. I don't need a massive clock on my screen. I don't want apps and widget I'm not going to use. Before I could root my Hero and DHD I installed ADW.Launcher.
I'll tell you what it's about: Choice. I don't want three buttons along the bottom I want five. And because I have a Google Apps account, HTC Picasa add-on doesn't work (they looking into it) and that pisses me off.
I'm prattling on now.
I have LeeDroid and ARHD on my sdcard as NAND backups and every now and then I restore one (I think of it as almost "dual boot") and for the next 24 hours I'm back coo-ing over it all but then 24 hours later it just doesn't feel right so back to CM I go.
It's personal choice but I will say one thing (more), try CM7. If you don't like it fine but just try it. You'll miss the widgets at first but see how you feel about it.
I'll shut up now.
That's great info, cheers I understand why now, but I do like my massive flip-over clock, regardless of how much battery it eats Also, htcsense.com has been a life saver once or twice when I've put it at home under a pile of papers or something and can't find it
ARHD said there were problems with Rom Manager and wiping within it - is that still a problem? Why do some roms need a different radio flashed? What actually is a different radio and why do you get problems with different roms and radios?
How long does it take between putting the rom on the sd card and actually having the rom installed with ROM Manager?
Also, I edited the above post but was doing so after you'd posted this, so I'll put it here too:
EDIT2: Something I forgot about earlier; I can't open the compartment to take out my battery, so when there's a solution that says "take out battery, try again", it wouldn't work as I physically cannot take the compartment off to get to the battery. When my phone arrived and I needed to take it off to remove the wrapper on the battery, but I couldn't do it and neither could anyone in my family. So feeling stupid I took it to the orange shop but no luck, so t-mobile, phones4u, O2, carphonewarehouse... loads, none could do it.
One guy told me to take it to a different orange shop and "ask for dean" - so I took it to him and he took it out the back of the shop and somehow did it. He said it just needed force (but clearly an amount nobody before or after him has been able to replicate), and that it was nothing like any other DHD he'd seen as they are usually stiff but do open, this was basically glued. So I better not get into a boot loop that holding down the power button won't fix, as if it's hard to play innocent when it's visibly stuck in a boot loop from custom roms
Tamen said:
That's great info, cheers I understand why now, but I do like my massive flip-over clock, regardless of how much battery it eats Also, htcsense.com has been a life saver once or twice when I've put it at home under a pile of papers or something and can't find it
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I made great use of that too, so simple, plress a button on the website and instant ring. An app called Where's my droid can do that but you need another phone to be able to send it a text.
Tamen said:
ARHD said there were problems with Rom Manager and wiping within it - is that still a problem?
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There used to be but I've never had a problem. But I like doing everything from recovery and that's works fine (from 3.0.2.6).
Tamen said:
Why do some roms need a different radio flashed? What actually is a different radio and why do you get problems with different roms and radios?
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It's that some ROM's have been tested using certain Radios and some devs are only willing to recommend Radios that have been tested.
A radio is the software that is responsible for wifi, network signal including data, bluetooth and GPS. It's just another something that is constantly being improved. Most radios will work with most roms but one radio might work great for person a and be rubbish for person b. This is because some networks and phone hardware (they do differ) don't respond as well as others to a certain radio. The radio is something you will will push (via fastboot commands) a lot (which is why you have Radio S-OFF) as you need to experiment.
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How long does it take between putting the rom on the sd card and actually having the rom installed with ROM Manager?
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Depends on ROM but on average about 5 minutes. It's not really any quicker than using recovery directly (ROM Manager is just a GUI for recovery) once you have done it a few times, it's just simpler.
Tamen said:
EDIT: When flashing a ROM, do you need to factory wipe?
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ALWAYS. And every time.
The only exception is if you're upgrading the same ROM but even then, depending on the upgrade you may still have to wipe. Most issues after flashing a ROM are due to not wiping at least the cache.
Tamen said:
Does mybackup root work across roms? I'd like some way of restoring all my contacts, accounts and apps
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Yes. Contacts are sync'd to Gmail so no worries there. Mybackup will backup SMS and MMS too.
Apps are a different matter. There is an option to Backup apps and app data to google servers which works 95% of the time. Titanium can do this too but in my experience is even more flakey. I still keep a list of all my apps just in case.
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EDIT2: Something I forgot about earlier; I can't open the compartment to take out my battery, so when there's a solution that says "take out battery, try again", it wouldn't work as I physically cannot take the compartment off to get to the battery. When my phone arrived and I needed to take it off to remove the wrapper on the battery, but I couldn't do it and neither could anyone in my family [snip]
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That battry door is ****, no two ways about it. It does require a lot of force and you have to be brave with it. But as you say, hopefully you won't need to worry about it.
Hi
I've got a Bell Desire Z. I bought it brand new and "unlocked" from a guy on Craigslist, who told me it came direct from HTC as a sample for a photoshoot and was already unlocked. Sure enough, it worked with my non-Bell SIM card just fine. I now use MIUI, love it.
I've been having a few funny issues with the radio (12.28b.60.140eU_26.03.02.26_M) such as sometimes I make a call and the other person can't hear me, or I answer a call, same problem, or the call comes through all garbled. I want to see if upgrading the radio will fix this.
1. How do I know what type of unlock my phone has? I didn't put the engineering HBOOT on there, but if it is already on there, how can I tell? I've got it rooted, can I tell if the radio is already S-OFF? I've read tons of stuff and I can't figure this one out.
2. How do I flash the PC10MSgwhatever.zip file onto the phone?
3. Will flashing this break my unlock?
Thanks for taking the time to help me. You guys are the best
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Hi,
to answer your questions:
1. one way of getting some information out of your phone is to use the AMT-Tool to query the device info and the security status. You can find the tool in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1097977&page=1
The latest version 1.8.5 is somewhat wacky though and sometimes claims, that it can not query or manipulate your phone, although you are already rooted and have the right software version installed. So do not rely on this tool for further flashing your phone. But the queries usually work fine and produce results.
If you run into trouble with the 1.8.5 you might want to download and try the older 1.8.1 which seems to be more stable and can be found here:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26590769/AMT181.zip
You don't have to install the files, just unzipping them to a new directory is sufficient, so you can unpack and use both versions parallel without any troubles.
Another way to find out the version of your HBOOT is by shutting off your phone and then holding the ON-Button and the TrackPad-Button (that square thing at the bottom of your display) at the same time until the phone boots into the bootloader screen. There is the version of your HBOOT displayed.
2. I am not sure, what exactly you want to flash, but if it is something like a PC10IMG.zip, usually all you have to do is put it into the root-area of your SD-Card (so do NOT put it into any subfolder) and then again boot into the bootloader by the method above. Then select the first option called "Bootloader" (which usually is already pre-selected) and press the ON-Button once to confirm the choice. The phone automatically searches for any PC10IMG-Files on your SD-Card and then asks you, if you want to flash that Image.
Don't forget to delete the file from your SD-Card afterwards, otherwise your phone will try to flash the Image again the next time you boot into the Bootloader!
3. Depends. As far as I have learned, flashing only the Radio should not tamper with your root or unlock. But I am quite new to the Android-World myself and would not want to guarantee the correctness of that statement. All I can tell is, that the 2nd phone I have rooted was the Vodafone Branded and SIM-locked phone of my wife. After de-branding, rooting and unlocking it, I flashed it with the Virtuous Sense 2.0.0 ROM and in a 2nd step also flashed the latest Radio onto it. Both did NOT break the UNLOCK. But since I don't know by which method your phone was rooted and unlocked, all I can do is speculate.
But even if you should break your UNLOCK somehow, it shouldn't be too hard to re-ROOT and re-UNLOCK it by following any of the many HOW-TOs published in this forum.
You can find the Link to all the HTC Desire Z Radios in my signature. There are a lot versions available that are newer than yours. As far as I have read in other threads, you can safely flash and try out several radios on your phone, but again no guarantees on that statement.
But keep in mind, that you might also need to align the Radio Library with the Radio depending on your ROM. This thread will tell you more about that process.
Hope that helped...
Tronar
I am using the Jiminy V Rom on Cricket
I am unable to OTA or make calls on the Cricket network. when I try and make a call I get 'Unauthorized' and when I try to OTA (*228) the system says 'unable' at the very beginning. I have done many EVO's to cricket before, and I have checked and double checked all my PST settings, my MEID/MIN/MDN/PRL particularly.
Even when OTA doesnt work , I can always get voice/text working on virtually any other phone by manually programming the MDN/MIN/Home SID & PRL.
My cricket home SID is 4923 & I am using PRL 32200
I have even loaded a working evo's PST settings into this phone (via QPST, read from one phone, write to another), and get same results even after making sure the MDN/MIN & MEID are correct.
The symptoms are exactly the same as if my MEID is not in the cricket system, yet I have triple checked them (and I had someone else program another phone with my MEID and that phone OTA'd and made calls on Cricket with no problem).
Some other data for consideration Android 2.1, build Baseband 2.15.00……007.25 kernel 2.6., Radio 2.05.00.06.10, HBOOT 0.79.0000 SHIP S-OFF
I have also tried factory builds 2.2 (3.26.651.6) and 2.1, (Baseband 2.05.00.06.10,Build 1.41.651.1) with same result. Note: they did not change the PST.
Is there a factory build which will put everything back to Sprint or should I consider updating the HBoot and /or Radio?, I assume the programming for the OTA is done in the Radio?
I am stumped.
Bump, If anybody can help me with this, its been driving me up the wall for two weeks now.,
Have you tried flashing an RUU and updating everything from there? If it isn't the MEID then it might just be your phone having a glitch. Flash it using RUU and let me know.
how do you reset PST/NAM (SPC,MIN,MDN, Etc) to factory?
I have tried RUU_Supersonic_1.32.651.1_Radio_1.39.00.04.26_release_171253.exe , hboot goes from 0.92 to 0.79, radio from 2.15 to 1.39.00.04.26, and android from 2.2 to 2.1.
But the pst/nam settings remain unchanged, mdn,min, sip, nai, etc are all cricket. even the SPC is still unlocked at 000000. ANd the S-OFF flag is off, Shouldnt the RUU's re-root the phone?
Is there an alternate way to run the RUU, I have tried putting the phone in HBOOT usb mode, then run the RUU but with three different batteries it tells me they are too low (under 30%).
Should I be in Hboot mode to run RUU? (I have been running it from the PC with the phone booted up.
To answer a couple of my own questions, none of the RUU's reset the EPST whether they where loaded from the PC via the .exe method or from the SD card PB31IMG method.
I found a reference to ##786# and found that yes that does reset the EPST (including the SPC) back to factory.
So I figured maybe the problem would be solved, so I updated PST for cricket (MDN,MIN,SID,PRL) and tried again, still no OTA and still 'Unauthoriized; when I try to make calls.
I am starting to believe I have a hardware problem, but how can most of the phone work and yet it have (apparently) problems transmitting MEID?
Seems like no interest here or everybody stumped. I am willing to pay some one to help me resolve this. contact to my email or post here, I will certainly let the forum know when I resolve this. Thanks
GDEMI said:
Seems like no interest here or everybody stumped. I am willing to pay some one to help me resolve this. contact to my email or post here, I will certainly let the forum know when I resolve this. Thanks
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No need to pay, I forgot about this thread lol. I think you may be right that this is a hardware problem or glitch and I am actually stumped on how to help you. :|
some help here
hi...
im trying to flash my phone and make it to worj for cricket carrier and i do everything ....i think correct but when i try to make a call it ask me if i whant to make a collect phone or buy some kind of card .
i already try the qpst configuration twice and even try many plr to and no luck
righ now i have a 45713hybryd plr
and i use this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=934417
i even take to a cricket store to chek for the s/n numbers and the min and they say that everything looks ok but i can do anything on the phone
any ideas, and help
thank
Very dirrerent problem
paulinaoza said:
hi...
im trying to flash my phone and make it to worj for cricket carrier and i do everything ....i think correct but when i try to make a call it ask me if i whant to make a collect phone or buy some kind of card .
i already try the qpst configuration twice and even try many plr to and no luck
righ now i have a 45713hybryd plr
and i use this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=934417
i even take to a cricket store to chek for the s/n numbers and the min and they say that everything looks ok but i can do anything on the phone
any ideas, and help
thank
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Your problem has different symptoms from mine (the threadstarter), it sounds like your prl is incorrect. If you have a correct prl & sid (these can vary for the market you are in , in Phoenix the SID is 4923 and I use the old nationwide non EVDO PRL of 1040) when you dial 611 you will get Cricket, regardless of your ESN/MEID being registered with Cricket, if this doesnt work do not go further. Find a PRL/SID that works (sometimes changing CDMA connect from Auto to Home only can help) . Also make sure MNC/MNC are set to 310/0. Country code/Carrier I think.
Once you get 611 to connect to Cricket, *228 (OTA) will connect to cricket, if It disconnects you before the music starts playing and says 'Sorry....' it is most likely your MEID is not registered correctly with Cricket. In Phoenix *228 always works on EVo's as long as SID/PRL/MEID are correct,
The message you are getting about a credit card required means you are connnecting to some other carriers network (usually Verizon) which is transferring you to someplace to allow you to make a call even though you are
"not authorized" on the network. Go back and check 611 & *228.*228 will load the correct prl for your area and rate plan, check after it runs to see what was loaded. It will also most likely overwrite EVDO settings including MIP, Sip, NAI, etc.
At this point your phone should work, talk & text.
I had the same problem and I look all over. I wanted to unroot and remove jimmy v rom. I was think that if i update to the new update that it will fix it self and i was right. First I had to remove the jimmy v rom, so i got ruu to update the htboot and that let me update to the new 2.3.3. It fix it self and f***ing A.
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I had the same problem and I look all over. I wanted to unroot and remove jimmy v rom. I was think that if i update to the new update that it will fix it self and i was right. First I had to remove the jimmy v rom, so i got ruu to update the htboot and that let me update to the new 2.3.3. It fix it self and f***ing A.
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Can you be more specificwhat you loaded and what versions of hboot where involved? I downgraded to 2.1 (with RUU) and hboot .79 and it did not resolve problem.