Hi guys i am pretty confused about the new desire x phone release till this time One V was the one for me after extensive research but now am pretty perplexed as to whic h would be better for gaming as well as decent battery(i.e atleast a day on moderate usage).
am pretty unsure as Desire x seems awesome compared to one v but the gpu seems sad
my main requirements are :
720p video playback
casual gaming(temple run,cut the rope,etc) along with ocassional fps(nova,shadowgun)
good battery life as already said(atleast a day)
fast for basic operations eg messaging etc
not really big on multitasking max three apps.
thank you.
All except the gpu is in favor of Desire X. Especially 4 inch screen, dual core and RAM. Battery though touted higher capacity than oneV, real-life usage depends lot on other things since it will have to cater to a powerful processor and bigger screen area. I expect the battery life may be comparable between both and just like the oneV, desireX will give more than a days battery backup for an average user ( i easily get about 2 days on OneV). I cannot tell difference between the GPU though.
bezbeV said:
All except the gpu is in favor of Desire X. Especially 4 inch screen, dual core and RAM. Battery though touted higher capacity than oneV, real-life usage depends lot on other things since it will have to cater to a powerful processor and bigger screen area. I expect the battery life may be comparable between both and just like the oneV, desireX will give more than a days battery backup for an average user ( i easily get about 2 days on OneV). I cannot tell difference between the GPU though.
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that the problem for me so am confused as to how the gaming performance may be affected and also the ability of the phone to play hd videos.
Desire X is better than htc one V it has dual core and i think a bit more ram as one v
One V records 720 p videos really good sound and video quality
Desire X can take 800x480p videos but i dont know how the quality of the sound and video is
Every day usage one V is very good up to 2 days
Desire X half to one day
Htc one V is for gaming a little bit laggy but its ok adreno 205
Desire X is better for gaming andreno 200
Gpu from one v is better than desire X
My tipp buy a desire X htc will definitly bring a update to take 720p videos if not the developers are here in the xda forum xdd
Correct me if i said something wrong
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I would wait for a review with benchmarks.
Comparing the two spec wise: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4951&idPhone2=4575
The Desire X has more memory and has a compass and it's dual core.
The One V has better camera (at least on the software side - no 720p video recording) and a better GPU.
Also, the CPU in the X is based on an older ARM spec than the One V, so performance per core is probably lower (but I haven't seen comparative benchmarks yet).
It would be better to wait till the release of desire X, if you can.
Two benefits, one you get to know the exact features - mostly phones differ much from what is leaked out before launch. Video recording and such are software enhancements over capable hardware and may suddenly appear in the retail edition even if not on preview sets. (Recall the big discussions on oneV not having an FM radio!)
Second- you get some serious benchmarks and user inputs as guardianpt pointed out. Better than to feel sorry later, right? So my advice - hold your decision
Thank you
I think i need to delay my decision by a few months i suppose though .
and i thank you all for helping out in this confusion.
dontbelive said:
Desire X is better than htc one V it has dual core and i think a bit more ram as one v
One V records 720 p videos really good sound and video quality
Desire X can take 800x480p videos but i dont know how the quality of the sound and video is
Every day usage one V is very good up to 2 days
Desire X half to one day
Htc one V is for gaming a little bit laggy but its ok adreno 205
Desire X is better for gaming andreno 200
Gpu from one v is better than desire X
My tipp buy a desire X htc will definitly bring a update to take 720p videos if not the developers are here in the xda forum xdd
Correct me if i said something wrong
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Well, anandtech says adreno 203 for the Desire X, and did not have good things to say about it.
One thing I purchased the One V for to replace my Desire was the screen, same size but way brighter and more vivid. This is thanks to the scld versus slcd 2. The Desire X saved on cost by going with the older slcd as opposed to the One V's slcd 2. I will wait for anandtech's review before saying it with authority.......but right now I am willing to bet our One V's screen kills the Desire X.
The screen is the thing you spend 100% of your time looking at on a smartphone (brilliant deduction.....I know!) so I wouldn't want to go with a lessor screen.
Personaly, better build (the One V really is a successor to the legend), better screen, better gpu, I am definately NOT regretting my one V purchase.
Edit: here is a quote from Anandtech:
"it has a 1 GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 Play inside. Unlike the Snapdragon S4 SoC we're familiar with, the 28 nanometer model with a pair of 1.5 GHz Krait cores and an Adreno 225 graphics processor, the S4 Play (MSM8x25) is a 45 nanometer SoC that uses a pair of 1 GHz ARM Cortex A5 cores and Adreno 203 graphics. Performance wise, ARM says that a Cortex A5 can deliver 1.57 DMIPS/MHz. To put that into some perspective, the Cortex A8 delivers 2.0 DMIPS/MHz, and the Cortex A9 that's inside many of today's devices can pump out 2.50 DMIPS/MHz. Update: The HTC Desire X has shown up in RightWare's Powerboard, confirming MSM8225. Qualcomm's Krait core can do 3.30 DMIPS/MHz, more than double the performance of ARM's Cortex A5."
So, there you have it, 45nm process cortex A5.............this is not the S4 you have been looking for!
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jmitr said:
Well, anandtech says adreno 203 for the Desire X, and did not have good things to say about it.
One thing I purchased the One V for to replace my Desire was the screen, same size but way brighter and more vivid. This is thanks to the scld versus slcd 2. The Desire X saved on cost by going with the older slcd as opposed to the One V's slcd 2. I will wait for anandtech's review before saying it with authority.......but right now I am willing to bet our One V's screen kills the Desire X.
The screen is the thing you spend 100% of your time looking at on a smartphone (brilliant deduction.....I know!) so I wouldn't want to go with a lessor screen.
Personaly, better build (the One V really is a successor to the legend), better screen, better gpu, I am definately NOT regretting my one V purchase.
Edit: here is a quote from Anandtech:
"it has a 1 GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 Play inside. Unlike the Snapdragon S4 SoC we're familiar with, the 28 nanometer model with a pair of 1.5 GHz Krait cores and an Adreno 225 graphics processor, the S4 Play (MSM8x25) is a 45 nanometer SoC that uses a pair of 1 GHz ARM Cortex A5 cores and Adreno 203 graphics. Performance wise, ARM says that a Cortex A5 can deliver 1.57 DMIPS/MHz. To put that into some perspective, the Cortex A8 delivers 2.0 DMIPS/MHz, and the Cortex A9 that's inside many of today's devices can pump out 2.50 DMIPS/MHz. Update: The HTC Desire X has shown up in RightWare's Powerboard, confirming MSM8225. Qualcomm's Krait core can do 3.30 DMIPS/MHz, more than double the performance of ARM's Cortex A5."
So, there you have it, 45nm process cortex A5.............this is not the S4 you have been looking for!
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all that did was confuse me further yes i have heard about the a5 cortex could you pls put the corresponding one v values along with desire x that might help put things in prospective.
Dark Passenger said:
all that did was confuse me further yes i have heard about the a5 cortex could you pls put the corresponding one v values along with desire x that might help put things in prospective.
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The S2 processor is the scorpion family, and is capable of 2.1 dmips / mhz. This is per clock speed, running at 1.0 ghz.
For example, the G2 uses a scorpion S2 at 800mhz, the dmips would then be 80%, the max speed of the scorpion is 1.4ghz (as found in the lumina 900) so the speed would increase. The S3 and up allowed dual core and upgraded to the adreno 220. The S3 is still scorpion though, so an dual core S3 at 1.4ghz each would be capable of (2.1*1.4*2) or 5.88 dmips
Anandtech is very respected, if they say the Desire X has a crappy underperforming processor.....then it does! It will probably be fine with dual cores and driving the same resolution on a larger screen. For me, I am very happy with my One V purchase. The Desire X makes too many comprimises.
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jmitr said:
The S2 processor is the scorpion family, and is capable of 2.1 dmips / mhz. This is per clock speed, running at 1.0 ghz.
For example, the G2 uses a scorpion S2 at 800mhz, the dmips would then be 80%, the max speed of the scorpion is 1.4ghz (as found in the lumina 900) so the speed would increase. The S3 and up allowed dual core and upgraded to the adreno 220. The S3 is still scorpion though, so an dual core S3 at 1.4ghz each would be capable of (2.1*1.4*2) or 5.88 dmips
Anandtech is very respected, if they say the Desire X has a crappy underperforming processor.....then it does! It will probably be fine with dual cores and driving the same resolution on a larger screen. For me, I am very happy with my One V purchase. The Desire X makes too many comprimises.
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that cleared it up well enough .
since you use a one v can you let me know for graphic intensive fps say any of the popular titles is it lagging .
not big on multitasking so not much there but where do you feel the problems lie like does it feel underpowered or low on ram or anyrhing like that ?
Dark Passenger said:
that cleared it up well enough .
since you use a one v can you let me know for graphic intensive fps say any of the popular titles is it lagging .
not big on multitasking so not much there but where do you feel the problems lie like does it feel underpowered or low on ram or anyrhing like that ?
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I have no problems, but the 2.08 and up update made a huge difference.
My games are basic like Solitaire, and Temple run. I also wath IMBD, etc.....no problems here.
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I would buy desire x, cause one v chin is fugly.
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what about the the htc sensation ???
i lost my v and an lookin for replacement.........
waht do u guys sugesst ?????
Okay, i just get my desire x.
I can play Modern Combat 3, Wild Blood and Dead Trigger from appstore very smooth.
Dont know why people saying gaming is not possible with desire x, they´re lying (sure this issnt TEGRA but very good for this price, trust me!)
just my 5 cents
EDIT: I got Sensation too, Sensation is also Good for gaming but i did not notice any difference between this devices...(performance wise, the desire is a smoother in my opinion)
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In my opinion both are great phones. In 2012 HTC will prove that is better than Iphone with these 2 babies. I don't know if i can afford one of these. I have to play in Euromillions.
Thx hamdir
hardcore4ever said:
In my opinion both are great phones. In 2012 HTC will prove that is better than Iphone with these 2 babies. I don't know if i can afford one of these. I have to play in Euromillions.
Thx hamdir
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by the way i would have gone with Ville if the screen was HD, i know they chose Amoled this time but really HD displays with over 300DPI density are something else
I'm hoping the Ville will sport a dual core snapdragon 4 instead of snapdragon 3 (the one in Sensation and the new Xperia series) which means improved performance and a better GPU (Adreno 225 or Adreno 305) HTC are the first to use new Snapdragons, so its a very high possibility
I predict HTC will announce the quad core snapdragon 4 device with Adreno320, six months after the release of the Edge, I'm not sure if the leaked Zeta concept are geniune
and to be perfectly honest i worry about the Tegra a bit, nvidia make speedy chips but quality :S i don't know... Tegra 2 wasn't really as massively fast as they advertised, Adreno 205 and 220 remained competitive
I absolutely love the Ville but sadly i won't be able to buy it ;с
To me, the successor to the DHD will be the Ville
I agree hamdir. Ville is ok, but if you look at the specs from that leak, it isn't much of an improvement to begin with. To me it's the same as Sensation XL. I have it and to be honest, I see absolutely no difference between it and DHD. Yes the screen is better and yes it has a bit more juice in it, but really no major difference at all. Edge on the other hand I see as a device that I might possibly keep for a very long time considering it will most likely be quad core and I've read somewhere that camera will be 10mpx.
The thing that really bothers me is that phones are generally getting bigger and I really wouldn't like to carry a 5' phone on me.
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I agree hamdir. Ville is ok, but if you look at the specs from that leak, it isn't much of an improvement to begin with. To me it's the same as Sensation XL. I have it and to be honest, I see absolutely no difference between it and DHD. Yes the screen is better and yes it has a bit more juice in it, but really no major difference at all. Edge on the other hand I see as a device that I might possibly keep for a very long time considering it will most likely be quad core and I've read somewhere that camera will be 10mpx.
The thing that really bothers me is that phones are generally getting bigger and I really wouldn't like to carry a 5' phone on me.
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yes it seems once google released the galaxy nexus, 4.7 inch suddenly became the new standard, i tried the sensation XL and its really big for me, 4.3 was the max im comfortable with
i think sony has done well with offering the same basic specs on both the Xperia S and Ion with only the looks and screen size as difference, this we way the users have the choice
right now between the ville and edge, im forced to pick the edge despite my problem with 4.7inch
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yes it seems once google released the galaxy nexus, 4.7 inch suddenly became the new standard, i tried the sensation XL and its really big for me, 4.3 was the max im comfortable with
i think sony has done well with offering the same basic specs on both the Xperia S and Ion with only the looks and screen size as difference, this we way the users have the choice
right now between the ville and edge, im forced to pick the edge despite my problem with 4.7inch
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Again I agree. Nothing against Ville really, but Edge sounds like a more mature phone in all aspects. I have given it a good thought and frankly, compared to Edge, I think Ville will be a waste of money. I will however buy both for comparison purposes, but I think I already know who the winner will be.
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Again I agree. Nothing against Ville really, but Edge sounds like a more mature phone in all aspects. I have given it a good thought and frankly, compared to Edge, I think Ville will be a waste of money. I will however buy both for comparison purposes, but I think I already know who the winner will be.
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your rich? you have the XL and buying both new upcoming ones?
i just bought my wife the classic sensation used and will be buying the Edge can't afford more
It'll be too expensive
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hamdir said:
your rich? you have the XL and buying both new upcoming ones?
i just bought my wife the classic sensation used and will be buying the Edge can't afford more
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Not like filthy rich lol, but I have cash for these things. I'm a tech addict so whatever is out new I gotta have it. It's not really an issue with money it's more of a principle. I got my fiancee Rhyme and she loves it.
I agree on phones getting to large. Me personally I liked the sensations size. It felt better in my hand than my inspire(us dhd). If we could get a quad core in the size of the ville I'm sold.
One thing to take note is that though the galaxy nexus has a huge screen it got rid of the capacitive buttons so its not really that much larger, than current phones.
As too which phone ill get, I would want quad core but never used tegra devices so still on the fence. Either way I'm going HTC, and hopefully us here in the US don't have to wait long after you guys.
For now my inspire running ics can honestly keep up for another year if I needed to wait it out
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I agree on phones getting to large. Me personally I liked the sensation screen size. It felt better in my hand than my inspire(us dhd). If we could get a quad core in the size of the ville I'm sold.
One thing to take note is that though the galaxy nexus has a huge screen it got rid of the capacitive buttons so its not really that much larger, than current phones.
As too which phone ill get, I would want quad core but never used tegra devices so still on the fence. Either way I'm going HTC, and hopefully us here in the US don't have to wait long after you guys.
For now my inspire running ics can honestly keep up for another year if I needed to wait it out
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That's exactly what I'm thinking. 4.3in was perfectly fine for a phone. The way it's moving atm, half way through the year, we're going to have phones that really are mini tablets and then what..
As for Tegra, I'm using Motorola Xoom and it's actually really really good.
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That's exactly what I'm thinking. 4.3in was perfectly fine for a phone. The way it's moving atm, half way through the year, we're going to have phones that really are mini tablets and then what..
As for Tegra, I'm using Motorola Xoom and it's actually really really good.
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Hopefully manufacturer don't go crazy and stop making phone size phones lol.
I haven't really played with a tegra device to make any judgement. My only, though very limited, experience with it is on my sisters g2x. And compared to our dhd, I was not impressed. But maybe this quad core will be.
My one caveat with the ville after relooking at the specs is the battery still seems to small. And that's comparing to our measly battery. I'm willing to sacrifice an extra few mm, to get a bigger battery. Looking at the razr maxx, it not that much bigger than the original and it has 3300mah battery! That more than double ours and about same thickness as ours I believe
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Hopefully manufacturer don't go crazy and stop making phone size phones lol.
I haven't really played with a tegra device to make any judgement. My only, though very limited, experience with it is on my sisters g2x. And compared to our dhd, I was not impressed. But maybe this quad core will be.
My one caveat with the ville after relooking at the specs is the battery still seems to small. And that's comparing to our measly battery. I'm willing to sacrifice an extra few mm, to get a bigger battery. Looking at the razr maxx, it not that much bigger than the original and it has 3300mah battery! That more than double ours and about same thickness as ours I believe
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Yeah but Motorola is working with the Aliens according to RCVR short series..
Hahah.. Had to put it here.
if i where to have to pick a sucessor to the desire hd i dont really think it would be any of the ones you listed, i think htc has something special in store for us. but i can say that i doubt it will be the edge, yes a quad core is nice but not a tegra one. coming back to the dhd from an atrix i can say the lack of drivers/source for the cpu or whatever it was really made development suck. you are very limited at what can be made, unless nvidia decides to release the stuff. and the ville seems very nice except i think a true sucessor will have better specs.
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if i where to have to pick a sucessor to the desire hd i dont really think it would be any of the ones you listed, i think htc has something special in store for us. but i can say that i doubt it will be the edge, yes a quad core is nice but not a tegra one. coming back to the dhd from an atrix i can say the lack of drivers/source for the cpu or whatever it was really made development suck. you are very limited at what can be made, unless nvidia decides to release the stuff. and the ville seems very nice except i think a true sucessor will have better specs.
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yes i already had my worries about tegra, but i didn't know they don't share their sources? devices builders are bound by law to release the kernel source along with its drivers
moreover you have to remember HTC devices have a much wider support in XDA then any other brand, for example check the xperia ARC forums despite having snapdragon 2 the support is limited
finally a history reminder XDA developers was founded to support the O2 XDA devices made by HTC which had an Nvidia Goforce GPU
if anything it might be warm come back to nvidia
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yes i already had my worries about tegra, but i didn't know they don't share their sources? devices builders are bound by law to release the kernel source along with its drivers
moreover you have to remember HTC devices have a much wider support in XDA then any other brand, for example check the xperia ARC forums despite having snapdragon 2 the support is limited
finally a history reminder XDA developers was founded to support the O2 XDA devices made by HTC which had an Nvidia Goforce GPU
if anything it might be warm come back to nvidia
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The kernel yes has to have the source released but driver source has never been released. One of the main reasons that the AOSP drivers are lacking compared to the stock drivers. Take BT for example stock based rom's use a different driver then the AOSP rom's. Same for the radio, screen, camera ect.
i found more details about the Edge screen and thickness here:
http://androidcommunity.com/more-htc-edge-details-nfc-8-8mm-and-sense-4-0-20111108/
According to an anonymous tipster (who lamentably didn’t have any new photos) the Edge will indeed be the first smartphone to feature Nvidia’s monster quad-core Tegra 3 processer running at a blistering 1.5Ghz. The processor is backed up by a full gigabyte of RAM and 32 gigs of on-board storage. The phone itself is updated as 8.8mm thin – very slim for a device with this much horsepower – but must go without a MicroSD card slot. The screen is a massive 4.7-inch 720p panel using the latest in S-LCD technology. Optical lamination makes the screen seem to float just below the glass with no space for air or dust. NFC and a large 1800mAh battery are included.
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so the screen should hopefully be a quality one similar to the XL
some negative thoughts on tegra 3 here:
http://www.fonearena.com/blog/45206/quadcore-htc-edge-to-be-showcased-at-mwc.html
Frankly speaking I am not very excited about this device because quadcore is just a marketing strategy, though it uses 4 cortex A9 processors, the L1 and L2 cache provided is equal to the one present in Tegra 2, which means nVIDIA does not expect anyone to use more than 2 cores at a time. Also we should note that Tegra 3 is a synchronous processor which will result in the consumption loads of battery, but we hope that the fifth core will be able to help us here. Superior processing power and a really powerful GPU makes it the leading processor available in the market right now, but how long will they be able to hold this position is the real question.
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Looking to the edge as my replacement for DHD unless somethi.g better comes along.Would love to have a phone with gorilla glass,got it on my transformer and after 9 months not a scratch on it
DESIRE HD using ER3BUS ASUS TRANSFORMER on KRAKD
Hey guys, i was shocked when i saw that the benchmarks of the One X showed a slightly worse performance than the One S even though the One X is the one with the Tegra 3 quad-core processor. Is this because the ice cream sandwich is optimized for dual core processors which doesn't show the real power of quad-core? , or is the dual-core Snapdragon S4 better than the quad-core Tegra 3 in the One X?
Here's the engadget review that showed the benchmarks i'm talking about:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/02/htc-one-x-review/
And here's a video comparison between the one X and the one S:
The cpu in the One S is better than the tegra 3, all that lets the one s down is its only qhd resolution or I would have had one myself.
Same here, however I am curious why HTC went with Tegra 3 in the first place.
I just found this comparison between the Snapdragon S4 Krait and NVIDIA Tegra 3.
http://briefmobile.com/htc-one-x-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidia-tegra-3-comparison
I have used the Tegra 3 extensively in the asus transformer prime. Overall I would rate its actual performance better than the qualcomm processors in many areas. Though the qualcomm processor may show higher benchmarks, the tegra 3 will multitask better in reality. You also have to keep in mind that device is running a lower resolution than the one x, so obviously the benchmarks would be better... the gpu wouldnt have to work as hard.. make sense?
Heres the resolution information on the one x and one s
1280 x 720 HD (312ppi) < One X
960 x 540 qHD (256ppi)< One S
But I don't see why we need the tegra3 in a phone what kinda multi tasking are they performing on a phone it makes sense in tablet especially one as advanced as the transformer prime. But why isn't a dual core enough for a phone
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The Tegra 3 IS faster than S4.
It's just that application aren't optimized for quad core processors yet.
I know both will have excellent performance, now and in the future. What I want is the screen and the 32GB of the One X. But I also want the battery performance of the One S. Damn. :-\ But with updates I hope HTC can get more of the One X potensial out, performance and battery!!!
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I have used the Tegra 3 extensively in the asus transformer prime. Overall I would rate its actual performance better than the qualcomm processors in many areas. Though the qualcomm processor may show higher benchmarks, the tegra 3 will multitask better in reality. You also have to keep in mind that device is running a lower resolution than the one x, so obviously the benchmarks would be better... the gpu wouldnt have to work as hard.. make sense?
Heres the resolution information on the one x and one s
1280 x 720 HD (312ppi) < One X
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The Tegra 3 IS faster than S4.
It's just that application aren't optimized for quad core processors yet.
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I think the GPU is on par, what I mean is that GLBenchmark the Tegra 3 result for the two 720p benchmark is 65fps and 88fps and Adreno 225 is 58fps and 102fps.
But on Nenamark 2, Adreno 225 on a 720p screen beats the Tegra 3 on a 720p (54fps vs 48fps).
The CPU is better on the Krait since its architecture is more advance than Tegra's A9. I'd prefer having the Krait CPU in the One X if I could choose. The Krait is easily gonna make the phone a lot smoother since it only has to scale through 'two' CPU's plus the CPU's are faster than Tegra A9's and Tegra 3 needs to scale 4 CPU to be on par with Kraits dual core which can be battery hungry and kill battery life faster where as Krait is built on 28nm which the heat and power is a lot lower.
Of course resolution is also related but if you go and look at Sprints HTC One X version which packs a Dual Core Kraits, it performs a lot smoother or the HTC One XL.
There are couple of thread here that discuss about this please read them ...
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The Tegra 3 IS faster than S4.
It's just that application aren't optimized for quad core processors yet.
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No it's certainly isn't. The S4 runs circles around tegra 3 are you kidding me? The whole fuss about tegra 3 is that it has 4 cores. The S4 gives you 2 cores based on a new architecture that gives you better performance. You don't know what you're talking about.
Both is good. There are areas both will outshine the other. In real life, both is excellent.
Just throwing my two cents....
.....Even my Motorola RAZR is better than the One X at this stage, really, I've ran some benchmarks with a custom kernel on it and the RAZR has beaten the One X without any problem on tasks that aren't CPU intensive.
OMAP4430 is a good chip, with A LOT of multimedia-oriented things in it, like IVA and the SGX530. Ducati does a good job.
Still, remember that Tegra3 is a "Multimedia SoC" with +2 cores and that will make it to score better on CPU intensive tasks even if the device using it is running a not well optimized / bad kernel.
The kernel that is running on the HTC One X is a first release and, while Motorola on their devices makes the kernel to generate stacktraces and faults here and there but still being optimal on performance, HTC prefers not to, giving a bad behavior on performance.
This is good for us developers because they allow us to directly work on clean and stable software, without having to debug various fails by them, so that we can give it the performance it deserves.
It's only a matter of time.
We're waiting for the kernel source to come out.
The EternityProject Team Manager & Main Developer,
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Apparently the One XL will be sold in Europe: http://www.unwiredview.com/2012/05/...d-for-europe-arrives-in-stores-in-early-june/
I just ordered an International One X about an hour before reading that.
I decided on the International One X, vs Rogers or AT&T models partly due to the much better potential for ROMs and the larger userbase.
If I had read that article an hour earlier, I likely would have held off on "pushing the purchase trigger" for at least a few more days to see if popularity might shift to the XL.
But for now at least, the One X w/ Tegra3 is more popular with more custom ROM potential.
LTE speeds are not a concern for me. And I have little regard for cores or GPU, just so long as they are "fast enough".
Anyway, for me this is just "another testbench phone" among 12 for testing my app and adding proper Qualcomm FM chip support. And when I go out I just grab whichever phone has the magic grand-fathered SIM chip in it at that time.
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Apparently the One XL will be sold in Europe: http://www.unwiredview.com/2012/05/...d-for-europe-arrives-in-stores-in-early-june/
I just ordered an International One X about an hour before reading that.
I decided on the International One X, vs Rogers or AT&T models partly due to the much better potential for ROMs and the larger userbase.
If I had read that article an hour earlier, I likely would have held off on "pushing the purchase trigger" for at least a few more days to see if popularity might shift to the XL.
But for now at least, the One X w/ Tegra3 is more popular with more custom ROM potential.
LTE speeds are not a concern for me. And I have little regard for cores or GPU, just so long as they are "fast enough".
Anyway, for me this is just "another testbench phone" among 12 for testing my app and adding proper Qualcomm FM chip support. And when I go out I just grab whichever phone has the magic grand-fathered SIM chip in it at that time.
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One XL will mope the floor with the One X in terms of battery
but gizmo-do reported its no match for the One X/tegra3 in terms of gaming and performance @ 720p
hamdir said:
One XL will mope the floor with the One X in terms of battery
but gizmo-do reported its no match for the One X/tegra3 in terms of gaming and performance @ 720p
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One XL has the aggressive memory management issue...
I doubt the XL will be released here in the UK but I will probably get it imported from Germany or something.
I don't game, so Tegra is a huge turn-off... Bigger process, runs hot, drivers are wonky...
damn, I just got my one x but really wanted the one xl, the one s just feels much faster than the one x, so I think the one xl will perform similarly...
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damn, I just got my one x but really wanted the one xl, the one s just feels much faster than the one x, so I think the one xl will perform similarly...
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not nearly it has to deal with 4 times the pixels than the One S
hamdir said:
One XL will mope the floor with the One X in terms of battery
but gizmo-do reported its no match for the One X/tegra3 in terms of gaming and performance @ 720p
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Your comparing a Tegra GPU at 533Mhz against Adreno 225 at 400Mhz.
Im sure in the future, developers will be able to clock the Adreno higher than 500Mhz and still produce less heat due to the 28nm vs 40nm on Tegra.
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Your comparing a Tegra GPU at 533Mhz against Adreno 225 at 400Mhz.
Im sure in the future, developers will be able to clock the Adreno higher than 500Mhz and still produce less heat due to the 28nm vs 40nm on Tegra.
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sorry bro you have a good point there but you can't dismiss the power of the quad
just run glowball in 2 cores disabled and the frame rate will fall to the ground
shadowgun and many THD games are actually using the quads
for gaming T3 will always be better
Seems the European One XL will have only 16GB of storage.
While, the Australian version of One XL is mentioned as 32GB
http://www.htc.com/au/smartphones/htc-one-xl/#specs
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Your comparing a Tegra GPU at 533Mhz against Adreno 225 at 400Mhz.
Im sure in the future, developers will be able to clock the Adreno higher than 500Mhz and still produce less heat due to the 28nm vs 40nm on Tegra.
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I believe It's actually 333mhz in our One X. Tablets have higher clock speeds for the gpu, not our phone by stock default. Of course we'll be able to OC our One Xs further.
If you're looking for dev support there's not going to be a ton based on fewer XL's being sold. It's an LTE phone and based on the limited amount of LTE deployed in Europe it won't sell nearly as many units as the Teg3 One X. I'd guess it'll also have 16GB of storage like the XL's sold in the rest of the world too.
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Seems the European One XL will have only 16GB of storage.
While, the Australian version of One XL is mentioned as 32GB
http://www.htc.com/au/smartphones/htc-one-xl/#specs
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I think this is a mistake, I went looking for some australian online shops but they al mentioned the xl only had 16GB
The European XL has only 16gb its on HTC's website it also has a plastic camera ring instead if the brushe metal one
its a clearly downgraded version of the One X to be sold at a cheaper price and you guys are debating wether its better
as for GPU shaky already confirmed we have a 533mhz gpu on AP33 its scales down with the CPU clocks @1.4ghz we get it full speed
according to modaco website, s4 versions of hox (excluding att) are handling fastboot boot corectly. that is a plus.
16gb of difference is lame
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I doubt the XL will be released here in the UK but I will probably get it imported from Germany or something.
I don't game, so Tegra is a huge turn-off... Bigger process, runs hot, drivers are wonky...
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There are some articles saying XL will land in the UK, including one from April 25. But this more recent article says no:
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...htc-one-xl-unlikely-to-land-in-the-uk-1081899
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The European XL has only 16gb its on HTC's website it also has a plastic camera ring instead if the brushe metal one
its a clearly downgraded version of the One X to be sold at a cheaper price and you guys are debating wether its better
as for GPU shaky already confirmed we have a 533mhz gpu on AP33 its scales down with the CPU clocks @1.4ghz we get it full speed
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16 GB may be true, especially if the hardware is identical to the US/Canada XL. I'd imagine it wouldn't be hard to up the memory spec in a variant though, presuming the S4 can handle more and the One XL was designed for more.
I've seen lots of debate about One X vs One XL, and I think it's debatable. I think each device has it's pluses, and I wouldn't immediately assume 4 or 5 cores are always better than 2.
I bought into the idea that the XL was effectively crippled, and the rest of the world was smart enough to ignore the XL. Now I'm not so sure.
The biggest question to me is if XL popularity will overtake X, especially among ROM developers. I've seen a few comments along the lines of "Europeans who just bought the X will be pissed".
True or not, I don't know, but time will tell.
Apparently the AT&T XL bootloader issue has a solution.
And I think/hope software problem differences between the two will eventually be minimized.
All in all, I think this is good news for XL owners, expanding the userbase and perhaps developer support (?).
For X owners, I'm not sure if it's positive, negative or neutral, but I don't think it's a big swing, unless... Unless developer interest in the XL caused a migration away from X.
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but gizmo-do reported its no match for the One X/tegra3 in terms of gaming and performance @ 720p
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I'll trade a slightly slower gpu any day for a faster cpu, more battery life and a cooler running phone and also 4g. I doubt you'll see any games other than the few tegra 3 optimised games that would run smoothly on the One X but not the One XL.
The australian and german version is mentioned to have 32gb of storage, but will cost an arm and a leg
The 32gb One XL will be the best of the htc phones imo.
Tegra 3 is overrated, especially with the fact that it can't run at its max performance without overheating your phone.
Dev support shouldn't be an issue, all the american versions would have the S4, not to mention the One S around the world and I believe most mid range devices releasing next year would also have the S4. Just discovered the At&t also has supercid now.
Head over to gsmarena evo 4g lte review and you can see in cpu bound single thread test like benchmark pi, the snapdragon s4 is currently the fastest soc available core for core. A score of 270 puts it about 25% faster than tegra3 at the same clock. Floating point is almost 2x as fast. Since hardly any apps load up the second core on a dual core, the benefit of adding another 2 more cores is questionable. I would take the 2 more powerful and energy efficient cores anyday. Now that we have anandtech's reviews of the att one x, its adreno225 gpu has shown to be about equal to the geforce ulp. Gaming is not an issue though as currently most games run fine on adreno 205 which is several times slower than the 225.
The only drawback to the one xl is the gpu flash player performance. It seems incapable of handling 720p flash videos in browser where both mali400 and geforce ulp plays 1080p without a problem.
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The European XL has only 16gb its on HTC's website it also has a plastic camera ring instead if the brushe metal one
its a clearly downgraded version of the One X to be sold at a cheaper price and you guys are debating wether its better
as for GPU shaky already confirmed we have a 533mhz gpu on AP33 its scales down with the CPU clocks @1.4ghz we get it full speed
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In Hong Kong, the XL is actually more expensive then X...
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Tegra3 is a beast im sorry, in my mega thread i was the most skeptical and most worried
and now I am amazed to the floor with what this chip-set can do, like many said its the main highlight of the device
software issues with OnDemand governor has nothing to do with the processor abilities
root your device and control it and you will see how amazing it is
as for THD games they are not few, they are releasing them non stop and seriously one look into s4e2 and your mind boggles, this is PS3 quality on a mobile phone!
those who like to game, and i mean real games, not stupid phone games like angry birds, will miss out if they dismiss Tegra3
being a hardcore game seriously for the first time since i ever owned a smartphone i'm actually playing games on it
in HK XL is more expensive? most likely due to the shortage in s4 supply
but seriously its simple, if you are gonna cry about battery life and slight heat when pushed to the limits that was confirmed to be OK by the device maker (and still much lesser than iPad3) then by all means don't get the Tegra version
if you realise heat is not the end of the world, understand its due to a quad core built on a larger process, your daily lifestyle has access to recharging more often and most important KNOW HOW TO JUST ENJOY! than Tegra One X is unmatched
every reviewer complaint about the XL performance that it performs slower than the One S, all the devices i owned before were qualcomm and to be perfectly honest i say good riddance!
video decoding issues are never ending with Qual CPUs not to mention they are unmatched to Nvidia's app developers support
biggest surprise? Nvidia continuous updates to their Tegra3 Kernel source, our kernel devs like Franco keep on porting to our One X
So I'm planning to buy a new phone. And this time I've decided on HTC. But I can't choose between HTC Desire VC or the HTC One V. Which one is better? Both have similar specs but the HTC Desire VC is priced little higher which is not the problem. I'm not able to decide which one to buy. Need some expert recommendations!
This will also happen to be my first Android experience.
hmmm.. i love my one v.. the looks the feel the thin body.. chin posture.. u can't get in desire vc... if ur a gamer then u must go with desire... s rich looking phone is obviously one v
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questions > Q&A
Hey man my opinion is one v is little better than desire vc but desire x is best
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Desire X : Chipset Qualcomm MSM8225 Snapdragon, CPU Dual-core 1 GHz, GPU Adreno 203.
Desire VC : Chipset Qualcomm MSM7227A Snapdragon, CPU 1 GHz Cortex-A5, GPU Adreno 200.
One V : Chipset Qualcomm MSM8255 Snapdragon, CPU 1 GHz, GPU Adreno 205.
So what do you want to do with your device?
For gaming, One V is better than the other two...
theiNDrAs said:
Desire X : Chipset Qualcomm MSM8225 Snapdragon, CPU Dual-core 1 GHz, GPU Adreno 203.
Desire VC : Chipset Qualcomm MSM7227A Snapdragon, CPU 1 GHz Cortex-A5, GPU Adreno 200.
One V : Chipset Qualcomm MSM8255 Snapdragon, CPU 1 GHz, GPU Adreno 205.
So what do you want to do with your device?
For gaming, One V is better than the other two...
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Thanks for the comparison up there. The One V has a single core processor yet it is better for gaming? How?
This will be my first Android phone, I'll generally use the phone for applications and few games. Not hardcore gaming like Shadowgun etc, but maybe Real Racing 2 kinda stuff.
Moreover I want a phone that is eligible for a Jelly Bean update in the future. I'm not sure if the HTC Desire V/VC is eligble for an update yet. I don't want to be stuck with a phone that can't be updated from ICS.
Also What do you guys think about the Samsung Galaxy S Advance? In comparison to the HTC One V and Desire V/VC
dibyajyoti said:
Thanks for the comparison up there. The One V has a single core processor yet it is better for gaming? How?
This will be my first Android phone, I'll generally use the phone for applications and few games. Not hardcore gaming like Shadowgun etc, but maybe Real Racing 2 kinda stuff.
Moreover I want a phone that is eligible for a Jelly Bean update in the future. I'm not sure if the HTC Desire V/VC is eligble for an update yet. I don't want to be stuck with a phone that can't be updated from ICS.
Also What do you guys think about the Samsung Galaxy S Advance? In comparison to the HTC One V and Desire V/VC
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Look at the graphics, Adreno 205 > Adreno 203 > Adreno 200
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Best Mobile Phone for my Budget
Hey guys,
I want to buy a mobile phone. I have chosen 3 models. But I don't know which one is better. Would you please help me for choosing the best (with reasons)?
1. HTC One V
2. HTC Desire S
3. Sony Xperia Sola
Thanks in advance
heidelberge said:
Hey guys,
I want to buy a mobile phone. I have chosen 3 models. But I don't know which one is better. Would you please help me for choosing the best (with reasons)?
1. HTC One V
2. HTC Desire S
3. Sony Xperia Sola
Thanks in advance
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Go for HTC One V
ONE V
I would consider the One V any day.
Better design, sleeker, better QUALITY (SLCD 2) Display, better processor, better GPU, better recording (HD vs WVGA). And last but not the least.. Chin. :laugh: :good:
One V because now moving on JB, the importance of a better GPU in Android world will become more and more mandatory.
one v is not very good for gaming..well, for games like temple run and angry birds etc it works fine. if anyone wants to play games like blood and glory and frontline commando, custom firmware must be installed; on stock its just slow and laggy. phone warms up very much while playing games and using the internet. when u get a one v,its true potential should be unlocked by rooting,then gaming is more fun.i have experimented o much with my one v, it has not once posed a problem... love my one v.....
i really wanna know:
i got 1,5 ghz processor + Graphic Card (4+1)
i got design
i got beats
i got sense
S3 got:
1,4 ghz processor
Amoled...
Touchwiz
Battery ( 2200 mAh) with low energy usage Cpu
İ see benchmark points pass the S3 when JB comes
5 min ago i installed geekbench 2
my phone get 1300 benchmark points (power saving off) but s3 got 1700 -.-
its one of most important thing for me: HAVE BETTER PROCESSOR THEN S3
can anyone explain to me HOX have better cpu or not?
and what about iphone 5? is it beat hox too? with dual core??
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The HOX and S3 are basically on a par with each other. However the S3 just edges out the HOX for a few different reasons. First, most software needs further optimising for Tegra devices and secondly because the S3 doesn't have the S-On/S-Off problem.
It's worth noting that the HOX is closer in terms of following Google's phone design guidelines (no menu button) and also that the screen is better.
The Tegra3 version of HOX has a slower CPU than it's dual core version.
It's like comparing a Q8200 with a E8600 and then run dual core optimized programs.
Hmmm thx for explain
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Bassicaly there isnt much of a big difference.. Exynos is a bit faster(effective)than tegra 3.. So s3 has worse screen while htc has better.. S3 has amoled display while htc has only lcd display.. But they r kinda same.. Used both phone sense is good but still wud go for touchwiz.. Lack of toggles in notification menu rly bugs me.. (There r no official htc toggles there r just play stores one)..It is just my opinion
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I have the One X but I think the S3 is better overall
The S3 has a faster processor, smoother gaming and UI, better quality camera, touchwiz features (pop up play, multi-window, smart rotation) and most importantly a great XDA thread
However the HOX does have a much better (& sturdier) design, better screen, THD games support, Beats audio
Headless_monkeyhunta96 said:
I have the One X but I think the S3 is better overall
The S3 has a faster processor, smoother gaming and UI, better quality camera, touchwiz features (pop up play, multi-window, smart rotation) and most importantly a great XDA thread
However the HOX does have a much better (& sturdier) design, better screen, THD games support, Beats audio
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Regarding to beats.. Ok so when the driver is on the sound is just amazing it blows any other phone when it comes to that..But,but,but i think that they demolished sound when u play music without beats drivers just so u can say that the difference is sooo big.. And it is a good marketing trick gotta admit that.
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The amount of stupidity in this thread is unbelievable...
The S3 beats the Tegra 3 even though it has a slightly slower clock speed for a few reasons, mainly because the Exynos chip in the S3 is a 32nm chip as compared to the Tegra 3's 40nm process, so the Exynos is somewhat more efficient due to the smaller process. Also, blame Nvidia for crappy software optimisation. Furthermore, the Mali 400 chip in the S3 is far more powerful than the puny Tegra 3 ULP Geforce chip. Don't say more cores = more power, that is not true. Besides, the S4 in the HOXL is more powerful than the Tegra 3 because the S4 has the Cortex A15 architecture which gives about 40% more processing power per core against the Cortex A9. The comparison of a dual core CPU and a quad core CPU using a dual core optimised software I saw somewhere above in this thread means nothing in ARM terms. The Cortex A9 (for example Tegra 3) uses all 4 cores and loses against the Snapdragon S4, say the MSM8960 which the HOXL has.
All other discussions about S3 and HOX w.r.t. features (touchwiz is a feature?!) should be reserved for other threads.
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pandaball said:
The amount of stupidity in this thread is unbelievable...
The S3 beats the Tegra 3 even though it has a slightly slower clock speed for a few reasons, mainly because the Exynos chip in the S3 is a 32nm chip as compared to the Tegra 3's 40nm process, so the Exynos is somewhat more efficient due to the smaller process. Also, blame Nvidia for crappy software optimisation. Furthermore, the Mali 400 chip in the S3 is far more powerful than the puny Tegra 3 ULP Geforce chip. Don't say more cores = more power, that is not true. Besides, the S4 in the HOXL is more powerful than the Tegra 3 because the S4 has the Cortex A15 architecture which gives about 40% more processing power per core against the Cortex A9. The comparison of a dual core CPU and a quad core CPU using a dual core optimised software I saw somewhere above in this thread means nothing in ARM terms. The Cortex A9 (for example Tegra 3) uses all 4 cores and loses against the Snapdragon S4, say the MSM8960 which the HOXL has.
All other discussions about S3 and HOX w.r.t. features (touchwiz is a feature?!) should be reserved for other threads.
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The amount of stupidity in this is ridiculous.
Snapdragon S4 doesn't use Cortex A15, it uses Krait cores.
Furthermore, the S4 beats Tegra 3 because at the time benchmark reviews came out, most of them were optimized for dual core, the T3 beats S4 in terms of raw power, of course software will do its part.
Mali-400 doesn't really beat the GeForce. Its running in 16 bit mode, and its vertex limited. Sure it has a good fillrate, but it cannot rim vertex heavy games.
GeForce ULP runs in 32 bit, and is pixel limited, which basically means its a draw, but when you factor in THD games, GeForce wins.
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XxVcVxX said:
The amount of stupidity in this is ridiculous.
Snapdragon S4 doesn't use Cortex A15, it uses Krait cores.
Furthermore, the S4 beats Tegra 3 because at the time benchmark reviews came out, most of them were optimized for dual core, the T3 beats S4 in terms of raw power, of course software will do its part.
Mali-400 doesn't really beat the GeForce. Its running in 16 bit mode, and its vertex limited. Sure it has a good fillrate, but it cannot rim vertex heavy games.
GeForce ULP runs in 32 bit, and is pixel limited, which basically means its a draw, but when you factor in THD games, GeForce wins.
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I facepalmed. Especially at the very first statement. What architecture does Krait use, I wonder.
As for S4 not beating Tegra, S4 came out *after* Tegra 3. You'd think benchmarks would be optimised for quad cores before they became optimised for Cortex A15.
As for the last one, you forgot that ULP Geforce is not superscalar. The GPU cores have to wait for the first instruction to complete before the next one can process, making the process slow as hell. Mali is far more powerful than Tegra (just look at benchmarks), because the GPU cores are far beefier than the Tegra GPU cores, and also because ULP Geforce is based on Fermi cores which are a bit old and slow at this point.
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pandaball said:
I facepalmed. Especially at the very first statement.
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Read on Wikipedia more. Krait isn't Cortex A15.
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XxVcVxX said:
Read on Wikipedia more. Krait isn't Cortex A15.
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Its A15 plus Qualcomm enhancements...
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Krait is a custom architecture made by Qualcomm. Its similar to A15, but its not A15, and performance sits between A9 and A15, bit its more power efficient than A15.
Its like Scorpion, where the performance was between A8 and A9.
As for GeForce ULP running with Fermi, you're wrong. Its definitely not Fermi since it still has seperate vertex and pixel cores, so its even before GT200.
Mali-400 is old, and its not beefier than GeForce. Samsung made it up to par by overclocking extensively and forcing 16 bit rendering on the thing. It ****s on GeForce on pixel fill rate, but GeForce ****s on it on vertex output, so its kinda a draw.
Most games run smoother on Mali because most applications on Play Store is optimized for the biggest phone company : Samsung. You can see how Gameloft downright ignored Tegra.
EDIT: The ULP is using NV47
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XxVcVxX said:
Krait is a custom architecture made by Qualcomm. Its similar to A15, but its not A15, and performance sits between A9 and A15, bit its more power efficient than A15.
Its like Scorpion, where the performance was between A8 and A9.
As for GeForce ULP running with Fermi, you're wrong. Its definitely not Fermi since it still has seperate vertex and pixel cores, so its even before GT200.
Mali-400 is old, and its not beefier than GeForce. Samsung made it up to par by overclocking extensively and forcing 16 bit rendering on the thing. It ****s on GeForce on pixel fill rate, but GeForce ****s on it on vertex output, so its kinda a draw.
Most games run smoother on Mali because most applications on Play Store is optimized for the biggest phone company : Samsung. You can see how Gameloft downright ignored Tegra.
EDIT: The ULP is using NV47
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To use slightly crude terms, Qualcomm licensed A15 from ARM, then beat it with sticks until it became more optimised. Qualcomm has a slightly different license from ARM which allows them to take the design by ARM, beat it into shape then sell it.
As for Fermi in Tegra, I was mistaken. I didn't refer to anything, and my offhand memory sucks.
For Mali vs Tegra, refer to this: http://m.gsmarena.com/snapdragon_s4_pro_benchmarked_crushes_older_chipsets-news-4563.php. Look at the benchmark list, particularly GLbenchmark offscreen since its the most relevant.
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pandaball said:
To use slightly crude terms, Qualcomm licensed A15 from ARM, then beat it with sticks until it became more optimised. Qualcomm has a slightly different license from ARM which allows them to take the design by ARM, beat it into shape then sell it.
As for Fermi in Tegra, I was mistaken. I didn't refer to anything, and my offhand memory sucks.
For Mali vs Tegra, refer to this: http://m.gsmarena.com/snapdragon_s4_pro_benchmarked_crushes_older_chipsets-news-4563.php. Look at the benchmark list, particularly GLbenchmark offscreen since its the most relevant.
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Its offscreen test, as I have stated before, GeForce is pixel limited, at HD resolutions, it becomes less than Mali, however remember Mali is running at 16 bit.
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XxVcVxX is right.. we have discuss about this in hamdir thread for a long time and if s3 is running 32bit like us.. it just the same as ours..
BTW.. both phone have pros and cons.. so just choose any we,you,he or her like..
XxVcVxX said:
Its offscreen test, as I have stated before, GeForce is pixel limited, at HD resolutions, it becomes less than Mali, however remember Mali is running at 16 bit.
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In offscreen 720p, Mali still (overall) eats Tegra, although what you said is correct, which makes me wrong. Therefore, I accept defeat and bestow my RD status to you
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pandaball said:
In offscreen 720p, Mali still (overall) eats Tegra, although what you said is correct, which makes me wrong. Therefore, I accept defeat and bestow my RD status to you
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Lol wut.
I accept this honor, and I thank my friends and family for supporting me, and most of all, I thank pandaball for arguing with me XDXD
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XxVcVxX said:
Lol wut.
I accept this honor, and I thank my friends and family for supporting me, and most of all, I thank pandaball for arguing with me XDXD
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But seriously, thanks. I learnt something, although losing to a stranger in an argument online on my birthday is totally the best way to start my year
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pandaball said:
But seriously, thanks. I learnt something, although losing to a stranger in an argument online on my birthday is totally the best way to start my year
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Hell, if I knew you were RD I wouldn't be so aggressive xD
Damned mobile app.
Happy Birthday
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