Hi guys,
Just wondering when will WinMo7 be released and what will the chances of us seeing it on our Vogues. Even though they will be about 2 years old by then.
Thanks for everyone's hard work.
Windows mobile 7 will be released in 2010. There's little to practically no chance that it'll run on our old devices. Officially, at least.
Take this with a grain of salt:
On LinkedIn, there has been two profiles (that I'm aware of) that cited working on the development group of Windows Mobile 7 for optimization of the MSM7x00 series chipsets.
That seems to imply that Windows Mobile 7 will run on MSM, but whether or not it comes to fruition (or provides for a decent user experience) is yet to be seen.
The biggest difficulty we'll probably face is an overhauled driver model, which would leave our devices without drivers that we can simply copy over.
Shidell said:
Take this with a grain of salt:
On LinkedIn, there has been two profiles (that I'm aware of) that cited working on the development group of Windows Mobile 7 for optimization of the MSM7x00 series chipsets.
That seems to imply that Windows Mobile 7 will run on MSM, but whether or not it comes to fruition (or provides for a decent user experience) is yet to be seen.
The biggest difficulty we'll probably face is an overhauled driver model, which would leave our devices without drivers that we can simply copy over.
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Especially because we use resistive screens...
IMO, 6.5.x is where our phones will stay, if we are talking Winmo. Also IMO - that is also the case for majority of devices out there, even the ones being sold right now so how's that for getting your bang for a buck on the Vogue???
The Vogue is, given it's age, price, and specifications, a truly awesome phone. It's no wonder that it's one of HTC's most popular models ever.
Thanks for the insight guys. Good info.
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The Vogue is, given it's age, price, and specifications, a truly awesome phone. It's no wonder that it's one of HTC's most popular models ever.
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agreed... the few times i called verizon i actually got a guy who has an htc ozone now but had the vogue.. he couldnt say enough good things, said verizon almost plans on them being regarded as the blackberry soon i dont know the truth to it but hes just sayin their brands are only gonna get better and soon it'll be a more recognizable name
right now i ask people if they heard of HTC and people are clueless
I love my HTC.
that said Im a realist.
providers are too busy scamming customers into monster contracts and bloated data plans to be interested in a real competitor to the blackberry.
competition drops prices...and therefore profits too.
I know full well Ièll be getting a blackberry in the near future as there is no BB messenger for win mobile yet.
the closest thing (msn messenger ish) uses 3x the data and requires me to have a major data plan.
unless htc decides to host that data and compete...like adding or buying into bb messenger. and getting on board with something to compete with the iphones appstore... theyre placing themselves in a solid 3rd
next to all the other regular phones with calendars.
im seriously disappointed.. i love win mobile and its customisations etc
but wheres the supported appstore so I can find decent software and apps for 2 dollars like the iphone... really we need to admit this
its the supported store thats getting these developers paid...and why theyre getting good apps and fast
and requiring full internet for messaging... bb messanger doesnt need it.
i just thank the programmers for threaded texts
kazzxtrismus said:
I love my HTC.
that said Im a realist.
providers are too busy scamming customers into monster contracts and bloated data plans to be interested in a real competitor to the blackberry.
competition drops prices...and therefore profits too.
I know full well Ièll be getting a blackberry in the near future as there is no BB messenger for win mobile yet.
the closest thing (msn messenger ish) uses 3x the data and requires me to have a major data plan.
unless htc decides to host that data and compete...like adding or buying into bb messenger. and getting on board with something to compete with the iphones appstore... theyre placing themselves in a solid 3rd
next to all the other regular phones with calendars.
im seriously disappointed.. i love win mobile and its customisations etc
but wheres the supported appstore so I can find decent software and apps for 2 dollars like the iphone... really we need to admit this
its the supported store thats getting these developers paid...and why theyre getting good apps and fast
and requiring full internet for messaging... bb messanger doesnt need it.
i just thank the programmers for threaded texts
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well depend with witch provider you are with , i'm with bell and my vogue htc let me use unlimited data plan for 5$ per month, with ev-do tech that is twice as fast as 3G ,
yes you are wright win mobile apps are way too expensive, they should aim at this htc should allies them self with windows mobile to implant real competition with Blackberry and IphoneCRap ,
it is sure something is coming with Palm getting best phone of the years when everyone tough they where buried long ago , LG that as the EVE that look great , htc as to be able to come up with something that will be about the same price to be in the competition,
what is killing everyone at the moment is the exclusivity of the carrier , as long that this will stand we will be charge crazy price for are plan and are device , we must complain to HTC , and carrier like Bell and Telus to stop getting the exclusivity on new model so every one can have a true good mobile experience ,
Sorry bobsters
the only people to complain to is HTC and our federal government.
In the last few weeks the CRTC denied WIND-MOBILE its liscence to operate because they were apparently not CANADIAN enough... Then was IMMEDIATELY OVERTURNED by the federal government.
This is because (in my and MOST other Canadians opinions) the CRTC is so deeply in the pockets of rogers bell and telus that they stink of phone company genetalia.
not a single consumer friendly decision has come out of the CRTC in regard to phone internet and TV in yeaers.. the posotive ones were mandated by the federal government against the CRTC's reccomendations and will.
WIND mobile a subsidiary of YAK, out bid the likes of bell and rogers for the newly released cell frequencies over a year ago.
in that time Rogers and bell have slowly reduced prices whilst becoming hosehold names for having the largest cellular profits in the world (also charging the highest rates in the world too)... and then by addition the new CEO of Rogers claimed that Canada couldn't support another major carrier.
ya?!?!?......... thats why you skyrocketed the charge for bulk minutes being sold to the likes of Virgin & Fido who both sold out to you in the last few years.
I dont work for wind, but I cant wait... if they can hold their own and not get baught out they'll steal a nice big chunk outta bell and rogers and telus... then maybe out the competing ceo's in youtube video's when they come with the bribe money and CRTC in pocket.
My phone is hacked to run on another carrier tahn origionally locked (IMEI swapped) also so I can have the phone without a data plan.
if you check your bill against everyone eltse. your probably paying close to $100/month... for a phone that has the internet hamstringed and capped, using old technology that has serious black holes in coverage.
my unlimited regular intenet at home costs me an additional $50/month
when I make a call it goes toa tower then is routed through fiber optic to a server and then handled like email or streaming audio....
why is this 2x the price??
the rest of the world pays $125/month for unlimited everything... including tethering and national long distance at roughly 7mb/s (high speed ultra)
that means I could save roughly $150/month on not having a home phone or home internet or a long distance plan...EVEN WHEN PACKAGED.
canada sucks
please excuse the rant.. needed to be done.
foot firmly inserted... just waiting for a push
Galaxy Nexus is likely to come at $299.99 with contract on Verizon Networks in United States, says WSJ. Verizon is charging same contract pricing for other high-end smartphones like Motorola Droid RAZR, HTC Rezound and 32GB iPhone. Verizon thinks that users will pay the premium for its excellent network and LTE connectivity.
Another report by 9to5Google said that Galaxy Nexus will be headed on Verizon Wireless next week without Google Wallet feature. Although it has NFC chip, the app will not be available in Android Market for Verizon users. The reason to block Google Wallet is their recent creation of a new mobile payment project called ISIS. ISIS is a Wallet like feature created by Verizon, AT&T and T-Mobile along with others to roll out in 2012...............
http://mirolta.com/2011/12/06/veriz...-299-99-with-contract-blocking-google-wallet/
Just created an account so that I could comment on how mad I am about no google wallet. In a time when the national sentiment has been bashing corporations for being profit-centered and not caring about their customers, Verizon decides to do something like this? They really need to fire their public relations department, because somebody f'ed up.
Back to lurking the forum.
Yeah, Sprint and Google jumped into bed behind closed doors and locked everyone else out. Brilliant.
Sad, really as NFC needs to take off, like, quick. Now. But it won't, sadly.
So, there will be millions of GNEXs and even SGSII's with dead NFC potential. Sounds great to me! (and while neat, Android beam doesn't count. this is about mobile payments which is crippled beyond belief do to...drum roll...money!).
Absolute boneheads making these deals (looking at you google)
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Yeah, Sprint and Google jumped into bed behind closed doors and locked everyone else out. Brilliant.
Sad, really as NFC needs to take off, like, quick. Now. But it won't, sadly.
So, there will be millions of GNEXs and even SGSII's with dead NFC potential. Sounds great to me! (and while neat, Android beam doesn't count. this is about mobile payments which is crippled beyond belief do to...drum roll...money!).
Absolute boneheads making these deals (looking at you google)
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What you're saying is inaccurate. Sprint and Google didn't block anyone. Tmobile, AT&T, and Verizon are all involved in Isis and apparently don't want Google Wallet competing with them. Reports are saying that all 3 of those companies intend to block Google Wallet. They want to push Isis and don't want the competition posing any type of threat to their investment. The nfc potential will not be dead, as these companies are planning to move forward with it, they just don't like competition. I do question the legality of such a move though, as it is clearly anti-competitive.
I've never seen any of these apps but I understand their value and why these companies are fighting over it.
Google bro isn't my priority here. What's important to me is the app works seamlessly, is safe, is most accepted when I'm out shopping, and doesn't add exorbitant fees. It's very early and consumers don't have much of a say in the matter.
One thing to watch out for is data tracking and selling info to 3rd parties. This would be ripe for this app.
So much for pure Google.
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So much for pure Google.
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good ol' verizon. I have T-Mobile also(just I prefer the unlimited data I have on verizon)...
word on the street is that this friday's the day. although I have a Rezound atm and considering exchanging it for a GN... I do like the Rezound more(hardware-wise), just with my big hands id prefer to have a phone with the biggest screen possible. that and I got it from Best Buy Mobile so will have to wait until they get it in... hopefully I can get them to price match the $219 I paid for this one.
Really sad. All the more evidence this is Verizon's show, and not Google's.
I totally agree....
I am/was exteremely excited to finally get a plain vanilla android device on VZW, as i'm grandfathered in to the unlimited data and have no plans of changing providers.
When i was in Japan and on DoCoMo i had an essentially plain vanilla device, and it was great. The news that 1) VZW is putting their apps on the phone, and 2) NFC not being able to be utilized for google wallet (at least out of the box), is a HUGE disappointment.
NFC/Google Wallet was one of the biggest things i was excited about for this phone, and i'm VERY sad that i'll have to possibly root it just to run google wallet, or wait for VZW/Google to sort something out.
This seems like a clear violation of the Block C auction rules.... not a good move by verizon
It also seems like a violation of anti-trust laws
legality and disappointment aside, there's a pretty good chance we will be able to add Google wallet if we root right?
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legality and disappointment aside, there's a pretty good chance we will be able to add Google wallet if we root right?
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Yea. If NFC works then we can get it to read Google Wallet. Verizon probably just blocks it from the app market.
This news sucks but in reality, I don't even know anyone in the US that accepts Google Wallet... so I wasn't really leaning toward using it anyway.
Plus I'd rather have support for what works around me. If Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, all use a special kind, then that's what I want.
Obviously they are just trying to monitize on the tech by charging per use... or play big brother like with Carrier IQ crap. I can't trust them to handle my SMS anymore, let alone my transactions.
Well we'll see. I'd prefer Google take the lead on this but who knows if Google is any better at handling my expenses either...
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foister82 said:
So much for pure Google.
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The most shocking thing isn't that VZW commanded it, but that Google accepted it. The whole purpose of a "Google" phone was purity and historically they never bowed to carriers demands. Other than radio differences, the phones were the same regardless of carrier. Google has in effect sold themselves out to move devices in larger quantities. Sad.
This makes me so mad at Verizon. I've been waiting a long time for this phone and I was excited about NFC & Google Wallet. I will be rooting so I'm sure that I will have Google Wallet running in no time, but this sullies the "pure Google" Nexus brand
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This news sucks but in reality, I don't even know anyone in the US that accepts Google Wallet... so I wasn't really leaning toward using it anyway.
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That's true enough, the only place I can think of that currently accept Google Wallet are McDonald's, Macy's, and Peet's Coffee. But the reason this should make you angry is that by limiting access to Google Wallet, Verizon is putting a stranglehold on the growth of the service. This makes it more likely that their "Isis" service, that isn't even available yet, could win out as a mobile payment solution. There have got to be some anti-trust ramifications here. I for one will now refuse to ever use Isis out of principle.
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The most shocking thing isn't that VZW commanded it, but that Google accepted it. The whole purpose of a "Google" phone was purity and historically they never bowed to carriers demands. Other than radio differences, the phones were the same regardless of carrier. Google has in effect sold themselves out to move devices in larger quantities. Sad.
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We dont know the details, but I'm willing to bet Google didn't just roll over on this one. Verizon isn't just another carrier, they are the largest carrier with the most clout. I have to disagree with your premise that this constitutes Google's "selling out" of the Nexus brand. Imagine the uphill battle that Google must have faced in getting Verizon to even consider allowing a Nexus device to exist on their network.
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There have got to be some anti-trust ramifications here.
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Good point. I bet your right.
player911 said:
Yea. If NFC works then we can get it to read Google Wallet. Verizon probably just blocks it from the app market.
This news sucks but in reality, I don't even know anyone in the US that accepts Google Wallet... so I wasn't really leaning toward using it anyway.
Plus I'd rather have support for what works around me. If Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, all use a special kind, then that's what I want.
Obviously they are just trying to monitize on the tech by charging per use... or play big brother like with Carrier IQ crap. I can't trust them to handle my SMS anymore, let alone my transactions.
Well we'll see. I'd prefer Google take the lead on this but who knows if Google is any better at handling my expenses either...
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It's not places that accept Google Wallet that you'd be looking for, it's places that accept Paypass (from Mastercard). Places that I frequent that accept paypass are Best Buy, Dairy Queen, Riteaid, CVS, McDonalds, and others. There's a Kroger near me that accepts it too. My doctor's office also has paypass, and many gas stations. It isn't available everywhere but it's in enough places that it is useful, as I use it frequently.
Just felt like I should explain my own experiences here. I have a GSM Galaxy Nexus on AT&T and cannot download Google Wallet, either. It seems like the entire device doesn't currently support Google Wallet. So it's not that Verizon is blocking it, it's that they're not adding support for it.
I am sorry but to me the galaxy nexus isn't a real nexus. At least the verizon edition isn't. I believed the nexus was something that stood apart from other phones in that it came to the customer exactly as google intended. Now verizon dictates what apps are available on it? on a nexus?! Instead of me labeling it more drastically as the "nexus line is dead", I'd rather say that the verizon nexus isn't a real nexus.
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I am sorry but to me the galaxy nexus isn't a real nexus. At least the verizon edition isn't. I believed the nexus was something that stood apart from other phones in that it came to the customer exactly as google intended. Now verizon dictates what apps are available on it? on a nexus?! Instead of me labeling it more drastically as the "nexus line is dead", I'd rather say that the verizon nexus isn't a real nexus.
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http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/6/2...ont-launch-on-the-galaxy-nexus-but-commercial
Just sayin'
copkay said:
http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/6/2...ont-launch-on-the-galaxy-nexus-but-commercial
Just sayin'
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Ah, I see. So it's not confirmed that they are blocking just that they haven't added support yet. Well I guess we will see. But i will say this.... How is google's flagship phone not going to have something like google wallet working out of the box? Something to think about.
I read this article today, some highlights:
The carriers, and to a lesser extent the banks, are threatened by a rival mobile payment system from Google Inc , which plans to bring its Google Wallet to Canada.
Currently offered via Nexus S phones on Sprint Nextel Corp's U.S. network, Google Wallet cuts the carrier out of the equation and does not charge merchants or the credit providers either a fee or a cut on purchases. Instead Google uses the system to collect transaction data for targeting ads to the individual consumer, a red flag for the banks.
In the United States, three big carriers have struck deals with three banks for the Isis payments venture and launched pilots in two small markets. But the partners still must persuade millions of merchants to upgrade their payment readers to enable them to work with smartphones, something the Canadian banks and carriers don't need to worry about.
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So there is hope for us, I hope Google will succeed.
Not sure how well the banks will take the loss from not charging fees to the merchant, or probably the end user...
This article seems really old. It mentions only the nexus s
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Samsung Galaxy e-SIM False Advertising Investigation | Migliaccio & Rathod LLP
Migliaccio & Rathod LLP is currently investigating Samsung smartphones for advertising e-SIM functionality without providing the advertised functionality. e-SIM is an attractive prospect for buyers who would like to cut down their use of two phones to one because a phone that supports e-SIM...
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This thing won't go far and is more of a Money grab for the layers that helping us.
If you LOOK at their marketing and terms, you will see:
"eSIM availability may vary depending on software version, country and carrier. Check with your carrier if your mobile network plan supports eSIM.”
There is no mention as to where e-SIM is supported and no promises as to it being available as it is OUT OF SAMSUNG'S HANDS...
It's THERE and Sammy has it available, but CARRIERS decide which phones they will support, so this is suing the WRONG people.
Anyway, just my 2 cents (I used to work for AT&T, T-Mobile and Sprint Corporate as one of their top Technical people when I was there and dealt with a LOT of this kind of stuff and have friends that still work there. eSIM IS on the devices AS PROMISED, it's up to the CARRIERS.
WE ALL KNOW they support it as it's on several Android devices and iPhones, it's a money grab not turning it on, but FOR THE CARRIERS.
By the way: If you have a look at the box, the Fold3 was in, you can see, what Samsung advertises. Here in Europe on every box you have two IMEI numbers for the two SIM cards and one EID for the eSIM. If your box doesn't show an EID, your Fold3 has no eSIM support.
As mentioned in another thread: Buyers should tell sellers, that they don't buy Fold3 because of the lack of eSIM. Then something might change ...
I am sent letters from US lawyers almost weekly about some class action lawsuit I could opt in. In the past, I spent hours filling out all the legal paper work and gathering all the records they want and sending it back to the lawyer. Then wait years!
Then I would receive my share of the settlement. A discount coupon from the manufacturer for a few dollars off my next purchase from them that was had a limited time to use and for limited products. So if I used them, I would get like 5 cents per hours for my time filling out all the forms and documentation they required. But I never used any of them as I did not want to deal with that manufacturer ever again.
And many times, the companies fight the lawsuits and hope you die before they settle or the case comes to court. So you never receive anything, including the worthless discounts that you won't use.
Meanwhile, the lawyer made millions in fees.
I wish something could be done about this false advertising. On the Canadian version of Samsungs website, this is still being advertised:
SIM Slot Type
SIM 1 + Embedded SIM
How do they get away with this crap because it isn't true!!
I sued Samsung over false advertising and misrepresentation of eSIM....and won
https://www.reddit.com/r/samsung/comments/lttggm
Can't always trust specs or reviews. Best to wait a few months or longer for the dust to settle before buying. Otherwise it's partially just luck of the draw.
File a FTC complaint. If they get enough complaints they will investigate. The FTC can hand down stiff fines and penalties.
Must be local market specific issue. I've been using the esim even before the Android 12 update on Fold 3. This is an Indian version. I even tried 2 physical sims and one esim, that disables one of the physical sims. You can manually choose which 2 or the 3 sims you want to keep active at a time.