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Hopefully someone here can brainstorm with me and find a way to get the EVO for $199 on launch day. Here is my situation:
I have a Touch Pro on my primary line that was pristine, but is now on its death bed (unfortuante pet accident). I don't have insurance on the phone (I know...i'm an idiot!). I am not eligible for the $150 upgrade until 8/1/2010 (22nd month, contract is up on 10/1), but I doubt that my phone will last that long. I have a second line on my acct that is eligible for the $150 upgrade credit but I was planning on removing that line as it rarely gets used. I have a $200 ETF until the end of contract, so that's not an option.
I called CS and even account services (retentions) and the best they would do is move up my eligibility date to 7/1. My TP might last until then but I was hoping there might be another way.
If anyone has any suggestions i'd very much appreciate it. If not i'll just suck it up and wait until July 1st. Thanks!
Get it for $199 on your second line, reactivate the old phone back on that line, then switch the EVO to your primary line. Just buy the EVO at RadioShack or Best Buy or else your $100 mail-in rebate won't go through.
TheBiles said:
Get it for $199 on your second line, reactivate the old phone back on that line, then switch the EVO to your primary line. Just buy the EVO at RadioShack or Best Buy or else your $100 mail-in rebate won't go through.
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Yup what he said, I believe it's only an extra 10 bucks for the second line.
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Get it for $199 on your second line, reactivate the old phone back on that line, then switch the EVO to your primary line. Just buy the EVO at RadioShack or Best Buy or else your $100 mail-in rebate won't go through.
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That sounds all well and good, but my goal is to:
1) Retain my primary phone #
2) be able to remove the secondary out of contract line, ending up with only one phone on the acct with the primary phone #.
I was told that getting the Evo on the secondary line (and activating it on the primary line) would renew the contract for the secondary line another 2 years, which I do not want to do. Where does that leave me with the Primary line though? I of course realize I have to renew my contract on one of the lines, but I definitely don't want to renew both. I believe the minimum plan I have to use if I have two lines on my acct (one of which is the Evo) is the $129 Everything plan. Right now i have an old $59.99 family plan with $10 unlimited data; they surely won't let me get an Evo and keep that plan!
In the end, will what you folks recommended allow me to achieve that?
Get evo on 2nd line
Port number from 1st like to 2nd line
Cancel 1st line
Might work?
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You're going to end up paying an ETF if you absolutely must cancel the second line...
You can get the phone on the 2nd line but there are some stipulations
1. You must retain the 2nd line for 60 days otherwise it is considered fraud and you forfeit your rebate.
2. You can switch your evo to the primary as long as you have another phone to put on the 2nd line
3. You don't have to wait to do this. This can be done immediately.
howdyace said:
You can get the phone on the 2nd line but there are some stipulations
1. You must retain the 2nd line for 60 days otherwise it is considered fraud and you forfeit your rebate.
2. You can switch your evo to the primary as long as you have another phone to put on the 2nd line
3. You don't have to wait to do this. This can be done immediately.
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I would rather not retain the 2nd line as it is my mom's 'emergency' Samsung flip phone and is rarely used (~ 30 min of usage a month, no data or texting). The plan was to drop it and get her a prepaid phone. I only pay $10/mo right now to have it on my current contract, which is $59.99 for both lines. With the new contract it's more like $60 a month more ($69.99 vs 129.99 for the two line Everything Data), definitely a waste of $$$ compared to what I pay now for that second line.
Also, paying a $200 ETF negates any savings i'd realize getting the phone at the upgrade pricing.
At this moment i have a pre-order at Best Buy, so let's assume I am not worried about the rebate.
So, let's say I get the phone on the secondary line upgrade eligibility, then activate it on the primary line. That I assume will leave me with:
1) The secondary line I don't want with a new 2 year contract and
2) The primary line with a new EVO which I assume will stay on its current contract timeline and end on 10/1/2010 - all with a $129 plan the secondary phone will never take advantage of.
Am I missing something here?
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I would rather not retain the 2nd line as it is my mom's 'emergency' Samsung flip phone and is rarely used (~ 30 min of usage a month, no data or texting). The plan was to drop it and get her a prepaid phone. I only pay $10/mo right now to have it on my current contract, which is $59.99 for both lines. With the new contract it's more like $60 a month more ($69.99 vs 129.99 for the two line Everything Data), definitely a waste of $$$ compared to what I pay now for that second line.
Also, paying a $200 ETF negates any savings i'd realize getting the phone at the upgrade pricing.
At this moment i have a pre-order at Best Buy, so let's assume I am not worried about the rebate.
So, let's say I get the phone on the secondary line upgrade eligibility, then activate it on the primary line. That I assume will leave me with:
1) The secondary line I don't want with a new 2 year contract and
2) The primary line with a new EVO which I assume will stay on its current contract timeline and end on 10/1/2010 - all with a $129 plan the secondary phone will never take advantage of.
Am I missing something here?
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Yeah, that is correct. Nothing on your primary line will change, just the secondary line will be extended for 2yrs for utilizing its upgrade. So the $129.99 plan plus the $10 premium data charge for the Evo. If you want to cancel that secondary line, only way is ETF or waiting of course. The way you would most save money though is keeping the secondary line and canceling your primary. OR getting a corp discount/ $20 credit each month for 2 years by resigning contract.
West650 said:
Yeah, that is correct. Nothing on your primary line will change, just the secondary line will be extended for 2yrs for utilizing its upgrade. So the $129.99 plan plus the $10 premium data charge for the Evo. If you want to cancel that secondary line, only way is ETF or waiting of course. The way you would most save money though is keeping the secondary line and canceling your primary. OR getting a corp discount/ $20 credit each month for 2 years by resigning contract.
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It would seem that i'm gonna end up spending more money trying to get this phone on launch day no matter how I slice it. I just hope that my TP lasts until 7/1, the date account services says they can move up my primary line's 22 month upgrade eligibility (from the original 8/1). I just might have to call them up and tell them that's what i'm gonna end up doing.
Maybe I might get a more sympathetic rep that will give me some sort of discount as you suggested, but it's doubtful. When I called the first time I told her that I may have to cancel my account and go with someone else, but they didn't really offer anything.
alexrud said:
It would seem that i'm gonna end up spending more money trying to get this phone on launch day no matter what I do. I would love to be able to keep my primary # somehow without jumping through hoops, but it's gonna be way too much of a hassle.
I just hope that my TP lasts until 7/1, the date account services says they can move up my primary line's 22 month upgrade eligibility (from 8/1). I just might have to call them up and tell them that's what i'm gonna end up doing.
Maybe I might get a more sympathetic rep that will give me some sort of discount, but it's doubtful.
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I think they will offer you a discount because you're still on the old family plan and they want people to start using the new Everything Plans. I heard they usually offer it to people with old family plans. Just ask them or something.
West650 said:
I think they will offer you a discount because you're still on the old family plan and they want people to start using the new Everything Plans. I heard they usually offer it to people with old family plans. Just ask them or something.
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First time around all they wanted to do was give me a replacement phone (i'm assuming another Touch Pro) and move my eligibility up a month...no discounts or anything. I guess i'll give them another call and see what happens.
This is what I am doing (Sprint said this is possible):
1. Get Evo on second line.
2. Transfer just the phone numbers between the lines (this leaves the Evo on the 2nd line contract).
3. Cancel the first line contract (old phone).
This would leave you with an extra line for maybe a month but then you can change to a single line plan.
piedra92 said:
This is what I am doing (Sprint said this is possible):
1. Get Evo on second line.
2. Transfer just the phone numbers between the lines (this leaves the Evo on the 2nd line contract).
3. Cancel the first line contract (old phone).
This would leave you with an extra line for maybe a month but then you can change to a single line plan.
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I was thinking about something like this.
I am the primary on a family plan. I am not eligible for $75 until Oct. So I was thinking of adding a 4rth line $19.95 and getting the EVO. Transfer my primary # to the 4rth line to use the EVO. After 60 days, cancel the Primary line.
But wouldn't I have to pay an ETF for the primary line then?
alexrud said:
Hopefully someone here can brainstorm with me and find a way to get the EVO for $199 on launch day. Here is my situation:
I have a Touch Pro on my primary line that was pristine, but is now on its death bed (unfortuante pet accident). I don't have insurance on the phone (I know...i'm an idiot!). I am not eligible for the $150 upgrade until 8/1/2010 (22nd month, contract is up on 10/1), but I doubt that my phone will last that long. I have a second line on my acct that is eligible for the $150 upgrade credit but I was planning on removing that line as it rarely gets used. I have a $200 ETF until the end of contract, so that's not an option.
I called CS and even account services (retentions) and the best they would do is move up my eligibility date to 7/1. My TP might last until then but I was hoping there might be another way.
If anyone has any suggestions i'd very much appreciate it. If not i'll just suck it up and wait until July 1st. Thanks!
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The ETF is prorated. If your secondary line or primary line contract is 2 months out, you will not pay more than $50 to cancel.... so having said that... if you call sprint ask them what your etf is, ask them to pay it, and renew your contract on the fourth like everybody else
looneylu said:
The ETF is prorated. If your secondary line or primary line contract is 2 months out, you will not pay more than $50 to cancel.... so having said that... if you call sprint ask them what your etf is, ask them to pay it, and renew your contract on the fourth like everybody else
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I wish it was prorated for me. I signed my contract the month before they introduced the pro-rated system. It's $200 for me until the end unfortunately.
alexrud said:
It's not prorated for me. I signed my contract the month before they introduced the pro-rated system. It's $200 for me until the end unfortunately.
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Well since it is only $10 to keep it around, you can either re-up and spend $240 over 2 years for it or cancel it after 60 days and spend $200 ETF + $20 for 2 months. So either way it is basically the same. Personally, I'd just keep it around and pay the $240 over 2 years.
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Well since it is only $10 to keep it around, you can either re-up and spend $240 over 2 years for it or cancel it after 60 days and spend $200 ETF + $20 for 2 months. So either way it is basically the same. Personally, I'd just keep it around and pay the $240 over 2 years.
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It unfortunately won't be an extra $10 a month anymore after I get the Evo, since I won't be able to keep my old Family plan and will be forced to sign up for the $129.99 2-line Everything data plan if I want two phones on my line. If it was only going to be $10 it'd be a no-brainer. No sense for me to spend (at the very least) $240 for the four months i'd be keeping the second phone on the acct (10/1 is end of contract, while 8/1 is upgrade eligibility), especially since the second phone won't be using any of the benefits. It's just a 4 year old Samsung flip...$60/mo for just voice service is a waste.
I don't know if everyone heard but if you have a employee discount with Sprint get ready to pay more than you prevously did. Sprint will start applying the discount to the primary line only, not the plan. I have the family plan thats $129 I get a 15% discount which is $19.50. When this goes into effect I will be only getting 15% on $109.
I know whooppee a few extra bucks I have to pay. But if we don't say anything next will be our unlimited data.
Thanks,
BlueKalel
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It's been like that since quite a while now.
I just got this discount and i'm new to sprint. Can you explain this to me, i'm getting 18% and i have 2 lines w/ 129 plan.
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It's been like that since quite a while now.
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Actually it hasn't. This is a new change.
The previous change was they stopped applying the discount to lines 3-5, but they did apply it to the base plan which includes both lines 1&2.
Now they are restructuring the base plan so it only includes line 1 and splitting out line #2 separate. The purpose of this restructuring is a back-door way of reducing your discount without changing the advertised percentage discount.
This is considered an ETF waiving event by Sprint. You can leave ETF-free if you'd like.
BlueKalel said:
I don't know if everyone heard but if you have a employee discount with Sprint get ready to pay more than you prevously did. Sprint will start applying the discount to the primary line only, not the plan. I have the family plan thats $129 I get a 15% discount which is $19.50. When this goes into effect I will be only getting 15% on $109.
I know whooppee a few extra bucks I have to pay. But if we don't say anything next will be our unlimited data.
Thanks,
BlueKalel
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The discount applies to the initial plan, no add ons... so as a for instance, if you are paying 129.99 for your family plan with 2 people plus you both have smart phones which would give you 2 $10 premium data charges that would bring you to a grand total of 149.99 a month before tax, now that initial 129.99 is what the discount will come off of. Also if you have more phones than that you will have your additional 19.99 per phone... the discount will come off of that as well.
EDIT: I am looking into this further, I have someone on the inside who knows all about this.
I don't think you can cancel the ETF fee with this change.
newalker91 said:
Discounts are contractual, therefore yes you may.
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I read about this change awhile ago. But don't you have to wait wait for the change to take place?
I think I may just call them to get some clarification on this.
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Do you know when they started this?
I hope Im not pass 30 days
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Yes, that is what it says in your contract so that is what everyone should go by.
However don't be surprised if you get a range of answers when you call in.
sfhub said:
Yes, that is what it says in your contract so that is what everyone should go by.
However don't be surprised if you get a range of answers when you call in.
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Just so I have something to fall back on, what does it our Contract say? I just want to have something to fall back on when I call them.
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rayprobg said:
The discount applies to the initial plan, no add ons... so as a for instance, if you are paying 129.99 for your family plan with 2 people plus you both have smart phones which would give you 2 $10 premium data charges that would bring you to a grand total of 149.99 a month before tax, now that initial 129.99 is what the discount will come off of. Also if you have more phones than that you will have your additional 19.99 per phone... the discount will come off of that as well.
EDIT: I am looking into this further, I have someone on the inside who knows all about this.
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I recently got the educational rebate.
I hope this email I got from a sprint rep will help you guys have a better insight into this program than me:
Your request has been approved and you will soon begin receiving Sprint discounts through State of New Jersey - Higher Education - NJ1 Contract, including:
? 15% on your Sprint monthly service charges.
These discounts are also applied to your add-on services that have a monthly service charge of $30 or more. Your discounts will be applied to the monthly service charges on the first line of your shared plane.
It takes 1 to 2 bill cycles for you to see the new discounts on your invoice. You will be able to view them under the heading "Service Discounts/Charges" with the description "Employ Discount Sprint/Nextel.
Sincerely,
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I wonder if I can zero out my contacts and still stay with Sprint.
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plmiller0905 said:
Just so I have something to fall back on, what does it our Contract say? I just want to have something to fall back on when I call them.
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Shouldn't have other people do your homework or you might might not pass the final exam
http://shop2.sprint.com/en/legal/legal_terms_privacy_popup.shtml
Our Right To Change The Agreement & Your Related Rights
We may change any part of the Agreement at any time, including, but not limited to, rates, charges, how we calculate charges, discounts, coverage, technologies used to provide services, or your terms of Service. We will provide you notice of material changes—and we may provide you notice of non-material changes—in a manner consistent with this Agreement (see "Providing Notice To Each Other Under The Agreement" section). If a change we make to the Agreement is material and has a material adverse effect on Services under your Term Commitment, you may terminate each line of Service materially affected without incurring an Early Termination Fee only if you: (a) call us within 30 days after the effective date of the change; and (b) specifically advise us that you wish to cancel Services because of a material change to the Agreement that we have made. If you do not cancel Service within 30 days of the change, an Early Termination Fee will apply if you terminate Services before the end of any applicable Term Commitment.
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Thanks... I'm gonna call them in a few.
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sfhub said:
Actually it hasn't. This is a new change.
The previous change was they stopped applying the discount to lines 3-5, but they did apply it to the base plan which includes both lines 1&2.
Now they are restructuring the base plan so it only includes line 1 and splitting out line #2 separate. The purpose of this restructuring is a back-door way of reducing your discount without changing the advertised percentage discount.
This is considered an ETF waiving event by Sprint. You can leave ETF-free if you'd like.
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Thanks for clarifying. I misread OP.
Ok guys,
If you want more info I got it from slickdeals.net:
slickdeals.net/f/3839688-SPRINT-Changing-T-C-again-Feb2012-Get-out-of-Contract-ETF-free
Thanks,
BlueKalel
Customer service told me that it will renew your contract, i forgot to ask from what date.
lexvdub1 said:
Customer service told me that it will renew your contract, i forgot to ask from what date.
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What will renew your contract?
a) there is a huge thread in this very forum that covered this topic.
b) discount is not contractual. You will not be able to get out of the contract ETF fee. You may with a lot of complaining and getting lucky with customer care roulette, but getting a discount is not part of your contract. You do have to re-sign a 2 year agreement if you add a discount in the middle of your current contract, and for people who did this, you may be able to use it to get out, but I am not sure.
c) All this changes is that you will no longer get your discount on an additional 19.99 of your plan. For people on the 129.99 EDS 1500 plan, you will be getting your discount on the first 110, and not the next 19.99. There is no other difference. So you will be losing 15% on the 19.99, which is 3 dollars per month.
d) Sprint will still be far and away the cheapest of any national provider (well, T-mo is close). The maximum this change will cost any customer is $6 per month, if they are on the 27% discount that a very limited number of companies offer.
e) If you are in an area where Sprint is really terrible, this is a convenient excuse to at least try and get out of your contract, but don't be upset if it doesn't work. The 2-6 bucks ain't gonna break anyone. I think you are very likely to get a $2-6 monthly recurring credit for the length of your current contract, and very unlikely to get waived without ETF.
I didn't want to quote your entire post, but in that other link that was just posted "Slick deals" I believe that I read that a few people did have their etf waived because of this.
In addition, people said that you wouldnt be able to get your etf waived the last time Sprint changed something, which I believe was this past July. And three people I know was able to get their etf's waived as well as a bunch of people around here.
It don't hurt to try and that's what I'm gonna do.
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Sprint change my plan without telling me. So instead of getting a discount on $130 now its only a discount on $110....which means I'm paying an extra 5 bucks more per month now. Can they do this?
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I'd say no but a little more info would probably help.
We've been customers for about 14 months and mine is unchanged as of my last bill:
Shared Plan
Everything Data - 1500 Shared Anytime Minutes Included $129.99
Employee Discount Sprint 25% -$32.50
Sprint changed my plan as well = I only get the Company Discount on MY line , so it's 110.00 ( minus 22 % company discount ) , 19.99 + 10.00 on my 2 other lines
Yeah this change has been coming for awhile. Doubt you will find it on here, but I think I read about it on phonedog.com
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Yes Sprint can and will do this, and has done this in the past.
From my reading, it is not enough to get out w/o an ETF, as it seems somewhere int he fine print, Sprint is authorized to do this sort of thing.
nothing changed about the plan besiddes the way they calculate the discount.
this thread explains in more detail.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1459640
Just wanted to point this out regarding discounts. If this has been posted already, I apologize:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1459640
Long story short, Sprint is changing the discount and/or have changed it whereas the discount only applies to the first phone on he family plan. Therefore, you now will have to pay the 19.99 for the second phone. But they mark it down to like 2.99 or something like that.
But anyway, this move will allow you to get out of your contract and have the ETF waived. You have to contact them within 30 days after the change. I currently have 5 lines, 1 for my wife, 1 for me and the other 3 for our daughters. I contacted Sprint last month to cancel my daughters lines because we're getting them prepaid phones.
Im quite sure what you're seeing on your bill is probably a result of this new change.
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DCRocks said:
Yes Sprint can and will do this, and has done this in the past.
From my reading, it is not enough to get out w/o an ETF, as it seems somewhere int he fine print, Sprint is authorized to do this sort of thing.
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This will allow you to get of your contract and have the etf waived. However, you only have until your next billing cycle to contact them and let them know.
Also when I called them, they spoke to me about the rates of other carriers etc. But in the end, I asked them can I cancel my lines and have the etf waived...and their response was, "Yes...you can."
Also read the link in my other post that I just made. I believe some members, instead of canceling their service..opted to have their account credit for x amount of time.
So just call them and see what they say. This change was mentioned on the January bill that's due due this month. So if your bill is generated on July 19, you still have time.
**I spoke to Retentions department, if that matters**
austin420 said:
nothing changed about the plan besides the way they calculate the discount.
this thread explains in more detail.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1459640
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plmiller0905 said:
Just wanted to point this out regarding discounts. If this has been posted already, I apologize:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1459640
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it was posted in literally the post right before yours...
Here is another running thread about this and who is getting deals/credits/contract fulfillment, etc due to this change to terms of service:
http://slickdeals.net/f/3839688-SPRINT-Changing-T-C-again-Feb-2012-Get-out-of-Contract-ETF-free
For those of you with Family or Corporate Share Plans... Say you are paying a base rate of 129.99 (with a 25% or 32.50 off) It will affect your account. Line 1 will be charged $110.00 and all the other lines will be charged $19.99. You will get the 25% discount on $110.00 instead of $129.99 so your bill will increase $5.00 in February.
"ETF waivers granted for:
1) Customers requesting to disconnect within 30 days of receiving their first invoice showing an increase because of this change. As a courtesy, Sprint allows up to 45 days from bill date, so final eligibility date is 4/15/2012 for customers with 2/28 bill end date.
2) After official notification and before first bill with change.
Lines on individual plans on the same account are not eligible for ETF waiver. Customers with no bill increase, only a change in invoice display, are not eligible for ETF waiver.
For new customers activated on share plan and wishing to cancel because of this change, 14-day return policy is extended to 30 days and the phones must be returned.
MAKE SURE you have alternative ready when you call in case you actually need to leave Sprint!!
Those who are successful please post with your results - are you being noted as:
1) 'CONTRACT FULFILLED'
2) You have to leave by certain date
3) ETF credit back to you when you leave
I am on galaxy s 3 and want to get this phone but dont want to upgrade my any line ( one of my line is upgradeable) and they offer me $100 credit towards it but I dont want data on that line.
I am reading about 200 down payment and 20 dollar per month to some month. Do we need upgrade for that?
I also heard samsung phones are on sell from this black friday. So how much its going to cost?
Any idea will be appreciated.
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The 200 and $20 per month is for the value plan, which is contract. Some sites have said the note 2 will be on sale for black Friday but the lowest I've seen so far is $50 off for renewing a contract or new line, so it's still not "cheap" anywhere, unless you get a good deal on Craigslist or ebay
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j_shelton1988 said:
The 200 and $20 per month is for the value plan, which is contract. Some sites have said the note 2 will be on sale for black Friday but the lowest I've seen so far is $50 off for renewing a contract or new line, so it's still not "cheap" anywhere, unless you get a good deal on Craigslist or ebay
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Actually, the sale on the Samsung phones is now over, I don't know if another round will be coming soon (I would not be surprised)...but on Nov. 16-17th, I purchased several Samsung Note 2 devices for my multi-line account at a price of $199.99 after mail in rebate (almost all other Samsung devices were free though, after mail in rebate). That is very cheap for a Note 2. I'm sure if you wait till after the new year, they will be giving them away for free in one of their sales events. T-mobile has been doing this for a couple of years now, and the sales are great! If you want to wait.....and yeah I know how hard it is to wait......you should be able to get it for free in a few months.
good luck!
oh yeah the price I paid is for the classic plan not the value plan.....it's simple, if you are on the classic plan you pay about $20 more per month and the device is highly subsided by T-mobile. If you go with the value plan the rate plan is $20 cheap per month, but no discount on the phones...you pay full price....but T-mobile will finance the purchase for you for free over 20 months. In the end if you want a flagship device and have multiple lines, it is cheaper to go with the classic plan (especially if you can swing the 15% corporate discount...I end up paying appox. $56/month for each line with unlimited everything no slowing down of my internet either).
Gool Luck on getting a great price on your purchase!
Explain me please whats difference between classic and value plan .
I have 4 lines on family plan with 59.99 for 1000 mins and different adds on (data , text) on each line ( differ as per line) ).
Its not prepaid .
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bikrame said:
Explain me please whats difference between classic and value plan .
I have 4 lines on family plan with 59.99 for 1000 mins and different adds on (data , text) on each line ( differ as per line) ).
Its not prepaid .
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Okay, think of it this way.....Classic plan is where T-mobile will subsides the price of the phone for you. So, if you sign a two year contract, they will give you a certain amount of money off the price of the phone. You get the device for free or you pay a small amount for it at the time you purchase the device. But in return for that they charge you $20 more each month for the classic plan.
The same plan specs but in a value plan range, will be $20 less per month...but they will not subsides the device for you at all. You pay 100% of the cost of the device. Now they will help you afford the device by taking a down payment from you and then charging your $20/month for 20 months on the device with no interest.
So in the end they are very similar in cost. Unless you have multi-line account and purchase flagship devices (especially when they have their free phone sales)...you can really clean up with the saving at those times. I just did an early upgrade (I called in and asked nicely and they allowed me to upgrade all 5 lines after only 8 months on our contract). So I purchased 2 Galaxy S3 devices for free and 3 galaxy Note2 devices for 199.99 after mail in rebate.
Also, with the classic plans they offer upto 15% corporate discount....no discount is offered for value plans. On top of it, if you call in and again ask nicely, you can get them to reduce the cost of your plan. I pay approx $56/month for unlimited everything on each line. That includes getting reduced rates, 15% discount, and being on a classic plan with the devices being highly subsides. I sell my older devices (S2 and S3 devices) and I end up making money on the devices rather than costing me anything. And $56/month is very cheap for everything included (no throttled internet either!! that is a big deal!!).
but if you want a cheaper device and want to keep it for as long as possible then the value plan may be a better deal. I can see situations where that would make sense for someone...but for me, I like a new device about once a year and I always get the flagship devices...with so many devices on my account...this is the best value for me.
I hope that makes sense...good luck
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Okay, think of it this way.....Classic plan is where T-mobile will subsides the price of the phone for you. So, if you sign a two year contract, they will give you a certain amount of money off the price of the phone. You get the device for free or you pay a small amount for it at the time you purchase the device. But in return for that they charge you $20 more each month for the classic plan.
The same plan specs but in a value plan range, will be $20 less per month...but they will not subsides the device for you at all. You pay 100% of the cost of the device. Now they will help you afford the device by taking a down payment from you and then charging your $20/month for 20 months on the device with no interest.
So in the end they are very similar in cost. Unless you have multi-line account and purchase flagship devices (especially when they have their free phone sales)...you can really clean up with the saving at those times. I just did an early upgrade (I called in and asked nicely and they allowed me to upgrade all 5 lines after only 8 months on our contract). So I purchased 2 Galaxy S3 devices for free and 3 galaxy Note2 devices for 199.99 after mail in rebate.
Also, with the classic plans they offer upto 15% corporate discount....no discount is offered for value plans. On top of it, if you call in and again ask nicely, you can get them to reduce the cost of your plan. I pay approx $56/month for unlimited everything on each line. That includes getting reduced rates, 15% discount, and being on a classic plan with the devices being highly subsides. I sell my older devices (S2 and S3 devices) and I end up making money on the devices rather than costing me anything. And $56/month is very cheap for everything included (no throttled internet either!! that is a big deal!!).
but if you want a cheaper device and want to keep it for as long as possible then the value plan may be a better deal. I can see situations where that would make sense for someone...but for me, I like a new device about once a year and I always get the flagship devices...with so many devices on my account...this is the best value for me.
I hope that makes sense...good luck
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Good explanation.
I see the plans being the same in the end, but for me the value plan is better.
Value plan you pay full price on the phone but plan is $20. Cheaper. Classic you get a discount on the phone but your plan is always $20 more than value. Im trying to save money ea mo so I paid off the phone to save the 20/mo.
Ill try your advice on getting a lower price on unlimited plan though. Thanks
This is the perfect use of the value plan...you pay off the price of the phone and then bank the $20 per month, each and every month you don't update your device. That makes perfect sense!
For me, since we always are updating our devices to the latest, greatest....it would not make any sense.
as of getting the lower price...call and ask to speak to account retention dept. They will put you on a $20 unlimited data plan (only retention dept has access to the account codes for this grandfathered plan) and they basically give you deeply discounted plan rates and still get discounts on the devices if you are willing to sign a two year contract. I believe I am paying very similar to a value plan pricing, but with a classic plan benefits with regards to the device discounts. I never accept the price quoted by sales rep. Always call account retention. I do that will all services I purchase from cell service to cable with TimeWarner Cable....you can save a ton of money by just asking nicely to have your rates reduced...it is amazing. Hell, I even get my credit card interest rates reduced that way also....just get the right person and ask nicely...if the rep doesn't want to do it for you...just hang up and call back...sometimes it is just that easy.
Good Luck with whatever plan you choose!
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This is the perfect use of the value plan...you pay off the price of the phone and then bank the $20 per month, each and every month you don't update your device. That makes perfect sense!
For me, since we always are updating our devices to the latest, greatest....it would not make any sense.
as of getting the lower price...call and ask to speak to account retention dept. They will put you on a $20 unlimited data plan (only retention dept has access to the account codes for this grandfathered plan) and they basically give you deeply discounted plan rates and still get discounts on the devices if you are willing to sign a two year contract. I believe I am paying very similar to a value plan pricing, but with a classic plan benefits with regards to the device discounts. I never accept the price quoted by sales rep. Always call account retention. I do that will all services I purchase from cell service to cable with TimeWarner Cable....you can save a ton of money by just asking nicely to have your rates reduced...it is amazing. Hell, I even get my credit card interest rates reduced that way also....just get the right person and ask nicely...if the rep doesn't want to do it for you...just hang up and call back...sometimes it is just that easy.
Good Luck with whatever plan you choose!
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Just to clarify... if I am a longstanding customer on a classic family plan and I call account retention to ask about upgrading one line to a Note 2 at the new contract price ($199) without disrupting any other services or changes that would affect the other 3 lines, they would be apt to do so as long as I extend that line's contract (or the contract in general) another two years? I just added all kinds of services recently but each line pays their own way so to speak, so I wouldn't want to have to switch to a value plan that might make everyone have to potentially pay more overall per month. I hope this is clear.
Thanks!
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Just to clarify... if I am a longstanding customer on a classic family plan and I call account retention to ask about upgrading one line to a Note 2 at the new contract price ($199) without disrupting any other services or changes that would affect the other 3 lines, they would be apt to do so as long as I extend that line's contract (or the contract in general) another two years? I just added all kinds of services recently but each line pays their own way so to speak, so I wouldn't want to have to switch to a value plan that might make everyone have to potentially pay more overall per month. I hope this is clear.
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yes that's exactly correct, you don't even need to contact account retention to upgrade your line. You can upgrade 1 line or you can upgrade all of them individually as you see fit. I will tell you, that I don't believe the 199 dollar sale is still going on. I believe right now the best price you can get it from T Mobile is 369 dollars, that might be where account retentions maybe able to help you out by reducing the cost of the phone for you. Also you want to see if they can reduce the cost of your data plan, put you like on an Android gandfathered plan that will cost you about 20 dollars, that's what I'm on.
Corporate discount applies to value plans too
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Corporate discount applies to value plans too
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Oh really, I was not aware of that? When I switched to Tmobile about 3 years ago, I was told otherwise by the store clerk. I guess I wss told incorrectly. Thanks for correcting that information.
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yes that's exactly correct, you don't even need to contact account retention to upgrade your line. You can upgrade 1 line or you can upgrade all of them individually as you see fit. I will tell you, that I don't believe the 199 dollar sale is still going on. I believe right now the best price you can get it from T Mobile is 369 dollars, that might be where account retentions maybe able to help you out by reducing the cost of the phone for you. Also you want to see if they can reduce the cost of your data plan, put you like on an Android gandfathered plan that will cost you about 20 dollars, that's what I'm on.
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Funny you said that because as recently as yesterday, I checked and the new customer sale price was $199. The price today is in fact the regular $369, although they advertised til 12/20 on their site! Sneaky, sneaky...
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Funny you said that because as recently as yesterday, I checked and the new customer sale price was $199. The price today is in fact the regular $369, although they advertised til 12/20 on their site! Sneaky, sneaky...
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Yeah, that charge so much for this device as compared to the other carriers. I really don't understand it. I can only assume that their rate plans are so cheap, that they can not afford to subsides the device as much as the other carriers...but you know what, it doesn't bother me that much since I save so much overall being with T-Mobile.
I think they are a great company to be with, as long as they have coverage in your particular area....they can't be beat on price, and their customer service is exceptional (at least from my experiences with them - unlike AT&T, they SUCK!). Sprint always has billing errors, you have to call them each and every month to correct the charges, and Verizon...well they are just way to expensive to even bother with.
Stepping down from my soap box now.....
Value vs Classic will be different for everybody since there is many variables.
Value is best for me. When I was on classic on a family plan with 5 lines, 1 with 2gb data, one with 200mb data, and 3 without data, all with unlimited texting, 2 with unlimited minutes and 3 with 500 minutes I used to pay $225 per month including taxes. Now on value I pay $115 per month including taxes but I now have true unlimited data without throttling on the line I previously only had 2gb plus I added data to one of the lines that didn't have it previously. Everything else stayed the same. My end result is a savings of $110 a month.
I get new devices constantly but only on my line and not the others and I'm happy to pay full price since my savings clearly outweigh my new device addiction expenses.
Either way, you should go to your local store to find out what would be the best deal for you......just as long as you get a smart rep you should be ok.
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So I haven't seen this type of thread yet, I was at my local Walmart and the tag was there but no phone, not even the dummy. It was listed for 198.88* and the * meant with qualifying upgrade or new agreement (2yr contract). I left there and dialed 611 and asked for retention to the bot operator. Once I got through, they wouldn't budge from 149 down and 20 bucks a month deal. I've been a T-Mobile customer since it was Voice Stream and the rep noted that, but still wouldn't budge. She suggested I go third party, but even at that route, I am not eligible for full upgrade until November. I have an old grandfathered family plan and I won't ditch it for the new plans just to get this phone, I'd buy a S3 before that happened. Anyway, has anyone gotten or found any better deals, Costco, Sam's (I didn't have time to stop in while on lunch).
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So I haven't seen this type of thread yet, I was at my local Walmart and the tag was there but no phone, not even the dummy. It was listed for 198.88* and the * meant with qualifying upgrade or new agreement (2yr contract). I left there and dialed 611 and asked for retention to the bot operator. Once I got through, they wouldn't budge from 149 down and 20 bucks a month deal. I've been a T-Mobile customer since it was Voice Stream and the rep noted that, but still wouldn't budge. She suggested I go third party, but even at that route, I am not eligible for full upgrade until November. I have an old grandfathered family plan and I won't ditch it for the new plans just to get this phone, I'd buy a S3 before that happened. Anyway, has anyone gotten or found any better deals, Costco, Sam's (I didn't have time to stop in while on lunch).
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Thanks foyer this I'm wondering the same thing!! Not even the tmobile stores have handsets yet and I'm not due for upgrade til next April and they would not even let me get the 149 down deal cuz of my plan and weve been with Tmobile for like 15 years
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style154 said:
Thanks foyer this I'm wondering the same thing!! Not even the tmobile stores have handsets yet and I'm not due for upgrade til next April and they would not even let me get the 149 down deal cuz of my plan and weve been with Tmobile for like 15 years
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In your case, since its a yera before you can upgrade, your best option is to buy off contract, waiting may have a drop in price, but how long to wait. At the rate Samsung has been releasing Galaxy series devices, it will be 6 months before we see the Note 3 or S5 lol. Wirefly may have deals, but third party seems to be an alternative. And if the sales rep is nice or want to make a sale, maybe there is some light at the end of the tunnel for you.
May I ask how much you are paying for your data now? Do you have any promotions on data, like loyalty/BtV?
I'm aware that the regular rates for data under the Classic is $20 for 2GB (cheapest one). If you were put on the Bridge to Value, I believe that goes down 50% ($10). If you also got a loyalty discount like me, it is $5; and actually, that is $5 for 5GB of 4G/LTE data for each line - this is the Preferred deal through the loyalty department.
I'm asking because when I tried to upgrade our phones (we haven't upgraded in 4 years), we would lose those promotions ($5 goes back to $20). If you already pay $20 and this won't affect you, then just buy it cheap at Walmart. If you do have those promotions like me, you should have the option online from my.t-mobile.com to do the EIP plan and keep your plans and services unchanged.
Hope that helps.
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In your case, since its a yera before you can upgrade, your best option is to buy off contract, waiting may have a drop in price, but how long to wait. At the rate Samsung has been releasing Galaxy series devices, it will be 6 months before we see the Note 3 or S5 lol. Wirefly may have deals, but third party seems to be an alternative. And if the sales rep is nice or want to make a sale, maybe there is some light at the end of the tunnel for you.
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Yeah gonna try Costco and see if they'll budge on price thanks I've been looking around
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Yeah gonna try Costco and see if they'll budge on price thanks I've been looking around
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Costco is $199.99 for 2 years. Unfortunately they don't have them in stock nor will they know when. My guess is May 15th, when all the 3rd party stores receive stock (keeping fingers crossed). I am actually willing to wait this time, save over $400!
Are you all on the old Classic plan still?
No more deals in phones from tmo anymore - period. Costco supposed to have by the 8th
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May I ask how much you are paying for your data now? Do you have any promotions on data, like loyalty/BtV?
I'm aware that the regular rates for data under the Classic is $20 for 2GB (cheapest one). If you were put on the Bridge to Value, I believe that goes down 50% ($10). If you also got a loyalty discount like me, it is $5; and actually, that is $5 for 5GB of 4G/LTE data for each line - this is the Preferred deal through the loyalty department.
I'm asking because when I tried to upgrade our phones (we haven't upgraded in 4 years), we would lose those promotions ($5 goes back to $20). If you already pay $20 and this won't affect you, then just buy it cheap at Walmart. If you do have those promotions like me, you should have the option online from my.t-mobile.com to do the EIP plan and keep your plans and services unchanged.
Hope that helps.
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If you were asking me, my grandfathered plan is awesome, I got my wife with the $20 preferred android data plan which is unlimited data with no cap, mine was added later also at $20, unlimited with a 2gb speed cap. We have my faves still (free lol), unlimited text, 1000 family minutes shared between 5 lines currently, and after the wife and I added data for just us, our minute usage went from nearly 800-900 minutes use to maybe 100 give or take. Most of my connections and deals were always done via loyalty depart, back when all the reps spoke English and were easy to deal with.
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No more deals in phones from tmo anymore - period. Costco supposed to have by the 8th
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T-Mo is strict with this new deal, $149 down, $20 for 24 months.... loyalty WILL NOT discount, it is what it is... :crying:
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If you were asking me, my grandfathered plan is awesome, I got my wife with the $20 preferred android data plan which is unlimited data with no cap, mine was added later also at $20, unlimited with a 2gb speed cap. We have my faves still (free lol), unlimited text, 1000 family minutes shared between 5 lines currently, and after the wife and I added data for just us, our minute usage went from nearly 800-900 minutes use to maybe 100 give or take. Most of my connections and deals were always done via loyalty depart, back when all the reps spoke English and were easy to deal with.
T-Mo is strict with this new deal, $149 down, $20 for 24 months.... loyalty WILL NOT discount, it is what it is... :crying:
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So am I. Contract was originally expiring this month (May 2013). Called them back early March and thinking of quitting early, but offered some great deals (almost fooled me!) and I extended my contract (now ending 2015). There were some hiccups along the way, concerning how I can upgrade my phone and what was offered. After multiple calls the next few days, we ended up with what I think is a good deal.
So I have 4 lines on my account.
Classic 1000 Whenever Minutes - $60 (Shared)
Preferred Unlimited Texting - $15 (Shared)
Preferred Android Web (Unlimited Data up to 5GB of 4G/LTE) - $20 ($5 Each Line)
Add a Line fee - $10 ($5 for 2 additional lines)
Loyalty Discount = -$10
Corporate Discount = -$15
_______________________ TOTAL MONTHLY BILL: $80 + taxes. Not bad huh?
I'm looking at ~$2600 (include taxes) for my T-Mo service for the next two years.
Then I have to factor the cost of the phones. All 4 of my lines were using crappy old dumb phones. We haven't upgraded in over 4 years! So we got a Nexus 4 ($350), S Relay ($250), S3 ($300 total), S4 ($650?) = ~$1600. Now I just have to figure out how to lower the cost of that S4.
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So am I. Contract was originally expiring this month (May 2013). Called them back early March and thinking of quitting early, but offered some great deals (almost fooled me!) and I extended my contract (now ending 2015). There were some hiccups along the way, concerning how I can upgrade my phone and what was offered. After multiple calls the next few days, we ended up with what I think is a good deal.
So I have 4 lines on my account.
Classic 1000 Whenever Minutes - $60 (Shared)
Preferred Unlimited Texting - $15 (Shared)
Preferred Android Web (Unlimited Data up to 5GB of 4G/LTE) - $20 ($5 Each Line)
Add a Line fee - $10 ($5 for 2 additional lines)
Loyalty Discount = -$10
Corporate Discount = -$15
_______________________ TOTAL MONTHLY BILL: $80 + taxes. Not bad huh?
I'm looking at ~$2600 (include taxes) for my T-Mo service for the next two years.
Then I have to factor the cost of the phones. All 4 of my lines were using crappy old dumb phones. We haven't upgraded in over 4 years! So we got a Nexus 4 ($350), S Relay ($250), S3 ($300 total), S4 ($650?) = ~$1600. Now I just have to figure out how to lower the cost of that S4.
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That's a good deal, I think I pay 90 for the wife and I, I just added a line for $10 for my son, and I split the bill with my parents, they just have voice lines with text and myfaves. Buying the phones up front and having a plan that is grandfathered and technically out of contract is where you save in the end. Follow the unofficial tmobile blog, http://www.tmonews.com/ good intel there and updated often.
Nexus 4 and S Relay were bought in Best Buy off-contract. I got them to price match. The S3 was bought through T-Mobile, as a new added line on my account for the discounted Classic price of $149-$50 rebate. It's been over 30 days so I plan on cancelling that line and pay the ETF of $200, which brings the cost for the S3 to $300. I am planning on doing the same with the S4, but the trick here now is patience. To be able to profit, I would need to wait on the price to come down. It is still $299 with 2-year contract. I'm not even considering places like Amazon and Walmart because of other complications. They also charge their own fees if you cancel early - this is because they earn commissions when activating or upgrading a carrier's phone, thus they can give instant discounts. BB does not have this policy (as of today at least).
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That's a good deal, I think I pay 90 for the wife and I, I just added a line for $10 for my son, and I split the bill with my parents, they just have voice lines with text and myfaves. Buying the phones up front and having a plan that is grandfathered and technically out of contract is where you save in the end. Follow the unofficial tmobile blog, http://www.tmonews.com/ good intel there and updated often.
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Like I said, if buying the phones up front just to save a bit on the monthly bill doesn't save me a lot of money in the long run (over 2 years), then it's not worth it. Plus, it's not like everyone has $6-700 lying around to buy a phone for full price upfront. I had to find the cheapest good phones (Nexus 4 and S Relay). I am also adamant about keeping my current Classic plan and all the loyalty promotions and discounts. However, for my S4, I got them through the EIP. I paid the $200 down payment including taxes, and then $20 for two years. That brings the total cost to $680 for the phone.
I can't afford to pay that whole amount right now. It's too much. I gotta take the hit over 24 months. Now, I do have 14/20 days to see if there are better alternatives. one of which is that S3 approach.
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If you were asking me, my grandfathered plan is awesome, I got my wife with the $20 preferred android data plan which is unlimited data with no cap, mine was added later also at $20, unlimited with a 2gb speed cap. We have my faves still (free lol), unlimited text, 1000 family minutes shared between 5 lines currently, and after the wife and I added data for just us, our minute usage went from nearly 800-900 minutes use to maybe 100 give or take. Most of my connections and deals were always done via loyalty depart, back when all the reps spoke English and were easy to deal with.
T-Mo is strict with this new deal, $149 down, $20 for 24 months.... loyalty WILL NOT discount, it is what it is... :crying:
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I had grandfathered plan at $20 for 5 GB and one option in the order page was to retain your plan as is - which I did. Do not know if they would maintain the $5 - $10 plans if you select that option, but it stated that no change would be made to the extended plan.
If that was the case, you get the best of both - 2 more years at the low rates and the phone for $200.
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IT-Mo is strict with this new deal, $149 down, $20 for 24 months.... loyalty WILL NOT discount, it is what it is... :crying:
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Really ? T-Mo covered my taxes, overnight shipping and gave me a loyalty credit
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Really ? T-Mo covered my taxes, overnight shipping and gave me a loyalty credit
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That don't say anything, what did you pay, final bill?