Can anyone explain this to me ? All I hear is LTE kills battery, so whats the point of LTE when T-mobile HSPA+ 42Mbps has pretty much the same speed as LTE without causing any battery drain. And why would you need 30Mbps anyway on a limited data plan ? My current Tmobile 3G (not 4G or HSPA+) pulls anywhere from 2.5-5.0 Mbps right now....on older HD2 and Nexus One
GSM version of Galaxy Nexus on T-Mobile does not go up to 41Mbps speeds. It can only go up to 21Mb (this is the reasoning why Galaxy S2 on T-Mobile went with Qualcomm's CPU instead of Samsung's Exynos to hit 41Mbps speeds), this is all speaking theoretically as well. Realistically, I haven't gotten to those speeds.
And people "need 30Mbps" on their phones simply because.... they can.
HSPA+ in its current implementation is definitely not as fast as Verizon's LTE, but as you said it surely is fast and it is more than enough for most people. You can definitely expect upwards of 10mbps down, which is great.
Its really a personal call. Some people are on Verizon because its the only carrier available consistently in their area, or they've been a long-time customer, or they're part of a family plan with others on Verizon.
If you're on T-mobile and happy with your service, you're definitely saving money staying with them. If you can buy it unlocked it is definitely a good choice. You're not missing out on anything by staying with T-Mo and the HSPA+ Galaxy Nexus.
Cause we like to stream stuff?
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zephiK said:
GSM version of Galaxy Nexus on T-Mobile does not go up to 41Mbps speeds. It can only go up to 21Mb (this is the reasoning why Galaxy S2 on T-Mobile went with Qualcomm's CPU instead of Samsung's Exynos to hit 41Mbps speeds), this is all speaking theoretically as well. Realistically, I haven't gotten to those speeds.
And people "need 30Mbps" on their phones simply because.... they can.
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Whats your speed in NYC ?
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HSPA+ in its current implementation is definitely not as fast as Verizon's LTE, but as you said it surely is fast and it is more than enough for most people. You can definitely expect upwards of 10mbps down, which is great.
Its really a personal call. Some people are on Verizon because its the only carrier available consistently in their area, or they've been a long-time customer, or they're part of a family plan with others on Verizon.
If you're on T-mobile and happy with your service, you're definitely saving money staying with them. If you can buy it unlocked it is definitely a good choice. You're not missing out on anything by staying with T-Mo and the HSPA+ Galaxy Nexus.
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My buddy has been testing his Nexus and Droid X on Verizon....Nexus got up to 27mbps and DroidX on 3G pulled only 500kbps. I mean I would rather get constant 2-3mbps then switchs between LTE 27m and CDMA 500k. I want to switch to Verizon because it will be the same price as Tmobile, but I am affraid that LTE will kill battery and CDMA is dirt slow. I am in Boston area by the way.
also some reviews say that LTE kills battery while car charging....this just scares me.....i can stream music + use Google navigation at the same time and have brightness at auto and i still dont charge my phone in car....my 1250 battery in HD2 lasts 12-14 hours on that heavy use.
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but I am affraid that LTE will kill battery and CDMA is dirt slow.
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Both of these things are very true.
I have the LTE nexus, and yes, LTE does do a number on the battery, and yes, it is ever so slightly thicker. however, I'm pulling 10 mb/s down in a very poor coverage area, and a reliable 40+ mb/s down when I get closer to the city. (I live on an away facing side of a hill a few miles outside of a town). Also, without 4g, atleast in my area, I can pull 1-2 mb/s down, but thats not as reliable. I like that speed, and I am willing to charge my phone twice in a day.
In all reality, you wont notice too much of a difference between 10-20 mb/s (HSPA+) and 30-50 mb/s (LTE in my area) on a phone. What you will notice is the difference between coverage and no coverage. Which again favors the Verizon model.
These are THEORETICAL max speeds you are talking about.
In reality the speeds you get will be no where close to the theoretical max speeds the technology can handle. Those speeds might be attainable if you are the only one on the network and are standing under a cell tower.
T-Mobile HSPA+ speeds in NYC are 5.4mbps down, and 1.6mbps up (tested on my friend's International Galaxy Nexus)
LTE max theoretical speed is 299.6 mbps. In reality the speeds I tested in NYC on my Verizon Galaxy Nexus are 26.79mbps down and 7.20mbps up.
http://www.speedtest.net/android/114425608.png
Results will vary but I pull 1-1.5Mbps on 3g so I can live with that. Verizon is the only carrier at my house. T-Mobile doest have coverage in the rural area where I live. If I went with them I'd only have service at work and while running errands downtown.
I get 3g at home and LTE just a few miles away. Part of me wishes that I could use T-Mobile but its not practical where I live and do business.
One last thing, LTE reception is great in the basement of my workplace!
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I'm curious to see Verizon LTE speeds once people start buying LTE phones.
It is almost important to note that LTE is not only faster, but also capable of keeping the signal while you are moving rather fast. Like in cars and trains
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I get 40-50 mb/s down and 10-20 up, thats why
kolyan said:
Can anyone explain this to me ? All I hear is LTE kills battery, so whats the point of LTE when T-mobile HSPA+ 42Mbps has pretty much the same speed as LTE without causing any battery drain. And why would you need 30Mbps anyway on a limited data plan ? My current Tmobile 3G (not 4G or HSPA+) pulls anywhere from 2.5-5.0 Mbps right now....on older HD2 and Nexus One
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I think you are answering your own question. TMo and AT&T will be slower but use less battery. In the end I'd just decide if you want to be on Verizon or want a GSM phone. Your call.
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Can anyone explain this to me ? All I hear is LTE kills battery, so whats the point of LTE when T-mobile HSPA+ 42Mbps has pretty much the same speed as LTE without causing any battery drain. And why would you need 30Mbps anyway on a limited data plan ? My current Tmobile 3G (not 4G or HSPA+) pulls anywhere from 2.5-5.0 Mbps right now....on older HD2 and Nexus One
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LTE does kill the battery, but there is an extended battery (Still, I'm not sure how well the battery life improves with the extended battery)
The speed is all about how you feel and what you need. I'd say if you get great LTE coverage in your area and where you're going to be and you'd be fine with the smaller battery life and such, go for the LTE model. HSPA+ speeds are proven to be slower than the LTE speeds (i've seen some users get up to 15-16 down and 12-13 UP while HSPA+ get's us 8-10 DOWN 5-9 UP) But what are you going to do with the 15 mb/s speed?
Since you are T-Mobile, I don't know if you're going to have to switch data plans to access the HSPA+ speeds as some people who are on AT&T (including me) had to do this as well.
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I get 40-50 mb/s down and 10-20 up, thats why
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And what can you do with that, that you can't do with 10 mb/s down on HSPA+?
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I think you are answering your own question. TMo and AT&T will be slower but use less battery. In the end I'd just decide if you want to be on Verizon or want a GSM phone. Your call.
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lol...not that easy. I am on Tmo with contract (200 to break now and 100 in a month) I very much prefer GSM over Verizon, but my wife doesn't get any service at work. I am somewhat happy with Tmo, I get service everywhere but when I go places like skiing there is usually just 2g with GPRS or EDGE at best.....I have no idea about Verizon. My battery is just amazing.... I never use any chargers other then at night. Price for service will be the same at both, but I will have to make new 2 year contract at Verizon, I will also get Nexus for myself at $150 and Incredible for wife for free....so new phones is nice to get... my wife not really happy with current Nexus One and I would love to have GN. If I stay with Tmo.... paying 650+ for NS is pricy....
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lol...not that easy. I am on Tmo with contract (200 to break now and 100 in a month) I very much prefer GSM over Verizon, but my wife doesn't get any service at work. I am somewhat happy with Tmo, I get service everywhere but when I go places like skiing there is usually just 2g with GPRS or EDGE at best.....I have no idea about Verizon. My battery is just amazing.... I never use any chargers other then at night. Price for service will be the same at both, but I will have to make new 2 year contract at Verizon, I will also get Nexus for myself at $150 and Incredible for wife for free....so new phones is nice to get... my wife not really happy with current Nexus One and I would love to have GN. If I stay with Tmo.... paying 650+ for NS is pricy....
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Well, lets weigh out the pros and cons.
VERIZON
Pros:
1) You only spend about 400 going with Verizon.
2) Your wife may get signal at work.
Cons:
1) Battery life using LTE (But you can always turn off LTE)
2) Your wife may not get signal at work. (You never know..)
TMO
Pros:
1) You stay with a company that you've known and have been with for a while.
2) You get to have the flexibility of staying on a GSM provider. Meaning you get the freedom of switching world phones whenever you need to and not having to get it activated and what not.
Cons:
1) You spend more money. (About 250 more just for the GN, and maybe more for your wife's new phone.
2) Your wife will still not get any signal at work.
I guess its really what makes your wife happy. ;D Kidding. I'd bet on Verizon, but only if having a weak battery and not having places to charge your phone aren't complete deal breakers.
Speed won't really be a BIG BIG factor because while LTE and HSPA realtime speeds do differ, the coverage area for both aren't super complete. In both cases, you'll be constrained to 3G/HSPA. But then again this has to do with your coverage area that we know nothing about.
going to Verizon with 2 new phones, Google Voice porting, and paying Tmobile cancelation fee should all be pretty much covered by selling my tmo phones. My wife doesnt really care if she gets service at work she is not picky. In reallity i guess its all about me wanting Nexus and better coverage, but cdma and lte is a big compromise for me.
i'll figure this out soon.....
Think of it this way,
You can get 2 Ferraris:
One with the original Ferrari engine.
And one with 4 cylinder engine in it.
You will do 30 mpg on your 4 cylinder engine Ferrari and will get to the same place as the other Ferrari goes, but just a "little bit" slower.
I made the switch to Verizon and not planing on swapping to a 4 cylinder engine any time soon.
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And what can you do with that, that you can't do with 10 mb/s down on HSPA+?
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Anything you can do on a home internet service.
I'm curious, haven't been able to find an answer by googling. I thought I remembered the guy in the TMO store saying that one of the features of the SG2 is that it is capable of higher data speeds. What I'm not sure of, is whether he was talking about TMO's 4G network in general, or the specific capabilities of the SG2 to achieve higher speeds.
For example, would I be able to attain higher 4G speeds on the SG2 than I would on my old Mytouch 4G if the signal strength were equal?
yes
the SGS2 & HTC Amaze run on the HSPA 42 when I think all other run on the 14 or 21...I forget the exact number
JaY iZz BaKk said:
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the SGS2 & HTC Amaze run on the HSPA 42 when I think all other run on the 14 or 21...I forget the exact number
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Right, that sounds familiar. So the older phones aren't capable of reaching the faster speeds; so even if TMO's 4G (or H or whatever you want to call it) network improves, older phones won't be able to utilize the speed bump...I'm trying to decide whether or not to keep the phone and that's a pretty good incentive right there.
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Right, that sounds familiar. So the older phones aren't capable of reaching the faster speeds; so even if TMO's 4G (or H or whatever you want to call it) network improves, older phones won't be able to utilize the speed bump...I'm trying to decide whether or not to keep the phone and that's a pretty good incentive right there.
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Unlike lte and wimax. Hspa+ affects all 3 capable devices though not much you do get a slight increase in 3g speeds. Since Hspa + is just upgraded 3g.
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it really comes down to which area you are using your data on, the phone is able to go max 42 Mbps
but there's no network in the world, at this time, that can really provide the full speed
even LTE can hardly provide what it advertises
so people get horrible LTE speed, some get great speed, same goes with 4G devices some people can get really fast, some other can only get average
So I was in the Verizon store the other day and I was doing speed tests on 5 devices at the 4G table. Consistently, the Galaxy Nexus scored 20-40% of the DL speeds of the BIONIC, RAZR, MAXX, REZOUND and a couple other which I dont recall right now. This has me a little concerned now that my GN is on the way from Amazon wireless. i just hope i'm not getting a significantly slower 4G device...Has anyone noticed a difference in speeds between the GN and other 4G devices in real world (outside of Verizon Store) locations?
What speeds were you getting? Did you check the phone status and see what the signal was? Could have been different radios causing it or perhaps a background process eating up bandwidth.
considering i easily get 30Mbit down and 15Mbit up, i'm not too concerned with speed.
Our 4G LTE doesn't go live until tomorrow so this was all 3G.
The Galaxy Nexus would consistently get under 100 Kb, usually in the 50-60. Where as the RAZR MAXX or RAZR would almost always score in the 400-500 kbps range.
When 4g goes live and i get 15MB downloads...i'll probably kiss the CEO of verizon. I'm so sick of the data speeds i get when tethered on Sprint with my EVO. I'm lucky if i get 20kbps inside one of the buildings in which I spend most of my time.
Known that the GN doesn't have the best radios in the world.
Quick question is it Possible to use 4g rom ina GSM version and is it possible to get the 4g speed on the gsm
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Quick question is it Possible to use 4g rom ina GSM version and is it possible to get the 4g speed on the gsm
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NO. Do NOT flash CDMA software onto the GSM device. It can potentially brick the device.
It seems as though you have a serious misunderstanding of how the devices and carriers interact to give you "4G" speeds. I recommend reading up on what service your carrier offers and go from there.
So what sort of data speeds are people seeing on their GSM Nexus on AT&T? I know this thing has the 21mbps HSPA+ built in, but do you ever see even close to that on AT&T? (I recognize data speed varies by area. I'm in DC, and I usually saw between 3-7mbps on my Infuse)
I ask because with Google now selling the Galaxy Nexus for $399 it has become a competitive buy. I still have time left to return my Galaxy Note which is only $100 cheaper and extends my contract. I do love my LTE speeds though, since I am frequently seeing 40mbps or better speeds. Better development and true AOSP support are enough to woo me away from the Note if data speeds are decent.
Your speeds are not likely going to be any were near 40mbs or even 21mbs. The best I ever got was 12mbs on my S2 and that was at 1AM.
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So what sort of data speeds are people seeing on their GSM Nexus on AT&T? I know this thing has the 21mbps HSPA+ built in, but do you ever see even close to that on AT&T? (I recognize data speed varies by area. I'm in DC, and I usually saw between 3-7mbps on my Infuse)
I ask because with Google now selling the Galaxy Nexus for $399 it has become a competitive buy. I still have time left to return my Galaxy Note which is only $100 cheaper and extends my contract. I do love my LTE speeds though, since I am frequently seeing 40mbps or better speeds. Better development and true AOSP support are enough to woo me away from the Note if data speeds are decent.
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There are already expansive threads on this.
The speeds depend on so many factors. For a 21mbps HSPA+ radio, you can expect real-world maximum speeds to be about 60% of that. I'd say the best speeds I've seen in this thread for AT&T users is 10mbps down.
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There are already expansive threads on this.
The speeds depend on so many factors. For a 21mbps HSPA+ radio, you can expect real-world maximum speeds to be about 60% of that. I'd say the best speeds I've seen in this thread for AT&T users is 10mbps down.
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I did some searching and couldn't find tons of threads on this in general or q&a so I asked.
The speeds you stated line up about what I saw prior on my Infuse. I hope someone from the DC area can chime in.
As mentioned before lots of factors. Generally expect faster speeds at night. Atnt specific apns might help speed some. And generally don't expect speeds faster than 5mb/s. Day or night. The gnex is capable of handling anything Atnt is throwing out right now.
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Before anybody says anything on this matter and so your opinion is not biased from the title, heres a short video showcasing T-mobiles HSPA+ against ATT's LTE on their respective GSIII's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia5iBxqsjW8&feature=player_embedded#!
As you can see from that video, or if you skipped it, Tmobile's current Data network was toping around 11mbps while ATT's LTE was pretty behind at 5mbps. Thats only download speeds, and upload speeds were in favor of ATT's LTE but download is more important than upload in my opinion. At the same time though if a user is receiving better download speeds on their HSPA+ network, would it matter if they won't be able to link into the LTE network in the future?
This was confirmed by a tmobile spokesman. I just thought people should know, as this should play a role into people's buying decision. I have not bought mine yet and tried to on the first day but it was sold out. I am waiting for the next batch on the 27th.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57460125-94/t-mobiles-pricier-samsung-galaxy-s3-will-not-get-lte/
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/06/t-mobile-samsung-galaxy-s3-skips-lte-party/
ATTs LTE is WAY faster than tmobile's HSPA+, that was either a faulty unit, or a terrible area. My girlfriend is on an ATT Note and she gets an easy 55MBPS down...
I don't care about LTE, I mean TMobile isn't even getting it till like mid 2013 right? and 11mbps is fine for me, I don't know who actually uses faster data than 11 to 15 (I actually get 15mbps down on tmobile where I am).
This is a complete non-issue for most people I think.