Hello.
This is not an 'android vs iOS' thread. I'm just trying to learn some differences between android and iOS.
This could be very interesting/useful I think.
Please don't ruin this thread with flames.
My question is quite simple:
What kind of apps are possible on Android that aren't on iOS due to its architecture?
Or, perhaps, what kinds of 'actions' are possible in Android apps that aren't in iOS?
Here's what I can think of offhand.
You have the obvious ones:
1) widgets
2) file managers
2a) Titanium backup (is this true?)
2b) Programs can open any file (so to speak, like you can e-mail any file as attachment)
2c) Ways to just copy stuff on/off randomly:
Android you can ftp/wifi explorer/usb drive/external sd copy/dropbox
2d) USB mass storage
3) custom launchers/homescreens
4) custom keyboards
5) custom dialers (?)
6) Live wallpapers
7) CWM recovery for installing stuff/backup/recovery
7a) what does iOS users do if they hose their OS, if they can't flash a stock rom?
Note 2(ish) specific stuff:
1) External SD card utilities (directory bind, etc)
2) app-in window (popup video, aircalc, overSkreen, etc)
3) multi-window
But actually, I'm curious about stuff like:
1) Do programs like tasker/llama work?
Do they have access to the hardware like that?
'simple' stuff like - if I'm at home, turn on wifi?
If I plug in my headphone, turn on bluetooth? (my typical car routine)
2) Quickboot -
3) Something like droidwall - blocking internet access for program X.
Anything else?
I'm geniuinely curious what else Android folk take for granted that iOS doesn't allow for the sake of speed/stability/safety.
(which I find understandable, to be honest).
- Frank
In android you can set your own default apps (browser, dialer, MAPS ... etc). Also, apps can communicate easily. For example, if you are in the gallery looking at a photo and hit the 'share' button you'll be able to send that photo to whatever installed app that accept a photo (gmail, social networks, messaging apps, photo editing apps ...). The same goes for every type of file (music, videos, zip archives, pdf files ...).
About your tasker's question, I recently tried 'sony smart connect' on my note 2 and it works really well. You can activate tasks either manually, via events (headset plugged in, charging mode) or via the NFC enabled sony smart tags.
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I don't think this is a good section for your question. This is more suited for the General Section of XDA (Since you're posting in an Android section I can gaurentee you that you're only going to get over-positive android responses and/or Apple/iOS haters. If you are intentually posting here because you want to hear android users then ignore what I said ).
Ontopic:
I always see it like this, Do you want:
SMS
Phone calls
Internet
Facebook
Twitter
A smooth running phone
Then iOS is the way to go for you. Do you want anything more, then Android is the way to go. On an iPhone there is only one way to go, the same way everyone else is going (You know from the commercials "Think Different"...).
On Android however you can personalize everything you want. I've been enjoying Android for over 3 years now and the ammount of different rom's, theme's, hack's, mod's, etc I've had in the those years is just insane. The possibilty's are just endless and thats why I love android, you will never get bored with your phone ! Don't like something, just change it. So not only Keyboards, Launchers and dailers, everything!
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I don't think this is a good section for your question. This is more suited for the General Section of XDA (Since you're posting in an Android section I can gaurentee you that you're only going to get over-positive android responses and/or Apple/iOS haters. If you are intentually posting here because you want to hear android users then ignore what I said ).
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There shouldn't be anything positive or negative about this thread - I'm hoping it stays fairly factual.
If App X requires a permission that you can't get on iOS, then that's a fact.
Whether App X is a great or stupid app is besides the point.
You are right though, that ideally I need someone answering who is fairly knowledgeable about both operating systems.
- Frank
ChodTheWacko said:
Hello.
This is not an 'android vs iOS' thread. I'm just trying to learn some differences between android and iOS.
This could be very interesting/useful I think.
Please don't ruin this thread with flames.
My question is quite simple:
What kind of apps are possible on Android that aren't on iOS due to its architecture?
Or, perhaps, what kinds of 'actions' are possible in Android apps that aren't in iOS?
Here's what I can think of offhand.
You have the obvious ones:
1) widgets iOS has that
2) file managers iOS has that
2a) Titanium backup (is this true?)iirc, this just backs up all your custom settings etc? If so, we have multiple versions of that. also, cydia automatically stores ssh..shsh? idr lol, blobs.
2b) Programs can open any file (so to speak, like you can e-mail any file as attachment) that too
2c) Ways to just copy stuff on/off randomly: yep.
Android you can ftp/wifi explorer/usb drive/external sd copy/dropbox
2d) USB mass storage and again, yep.
3) custom launchers/homescreens By launcher, you mean themes I take it? and custom home layouts? yep.
4) custom keyboards have that too
5) custom dialers (?)and yes, even this.
6) Live wallpapers yep, though I don't use them.
7) CWM recovery for installing stuff/backup/recovery We can back up everything, even repos and installed tweaks.
7a) what does iOS users do if they hose their OS, if they can't flash a stock rom? what are you talking about? if you don't want a jailbroken phone you just install iOS again and restore your settings, can't android do that?
Note 2(ish) specific stuff:
1) External SD card utilities (directory bind, etc)
2) app-in window (popup video, aircalc, overSkreen, etc)
3) multi-window
But actually, I'm curious about stuff like:
1) Do programs like tasker/llama work?
Do they have access to the hardware like that?
'simple' stuff like - if I'm at home, turn on wifi?
If I plug in my headphone, turn on bluetooth? (my typical car routine) Used to have something that worked off gps locations, but there are a few different things that iOS can use atm. I personally don't know too much about it, but I believe similar things can be done.
2) Quickboot - What is quickboot? I'll tell you if I know haha
3) Something like droidwall - blocking internet access for program X. Not sure, never looked for it.
Anything else?
I'm geniuinely curious what else Android folk take for granted that iOS doesn't allow for the sake of speed/stability/safety.
(which I find understandable, to be honest).
- Frank
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I find most people who own android phones, yes, even on this forum, are quite ignorant about iOS. But hey, I'm ignorant about android! So we can learn from each other. Oh, and we have the drop down settings menu in a couple forms, and the better one, imho, sbsettings, is customizable as to what is put in it.
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There will always be more posibilities behind an opened door than a closed door.
Android is getting better and better and iOS has stayed the same since 2007. All iOS has over Android is games in app store and the apps are a bit more polished. Other than that iOS is for beginers.
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SchusterIX said:
Hello.
This is not an 'android vs iOS' thread. I'm just trying to learn some differences between android and iOS.
This could be very interesting/useful I think.
Please don't ruin this thread with flames.
My question is quite simple:
What kind of apps are possible on Android that aren't on iOS due to its architecture?
Or, perhaps, what kinds of 'actions' are possible in Android apps that aren't in iOS?
Here's what I can think of offhand.
You have the obvious ones:
1) widgets iOS has that -Are you kidding me? I think you don't know what is a widget.
2) file managers iOS has that Not without voiding your warranty with jailbreak. And it is not as extensive as the ones on Android
2a) Titanium backup (is this true?)iirc, this just backs up all your custom settings etc? If so, we have multiple versions of that. also, cydia automatically stores ssh..shsh? idr lol, blobs. -Titanium backup backups all your apps with their data and you can restore them anytime you want. I don't think iOS has anything like that(I think iTunes can do it...But you cannot backup and restore from your phone itself)
2b) Programs can open any file (so to speak, like you can e-mail any file as attachment) that too
2c) Ways to just copy stuff on/off randomly: yep.
Android you can ftp/wifi explorer/usb drive/external sd copy/dropbox
2d) USB mass storage and again, yep. Maybe with jailbreak(i dont know) but you cannot do it out of the box. I stuggled with an iPad 2 and a Linux computer as I couldn't copy files without UMS
3) custom launchers/homescreens By launcher, you mean themes I take it? and custom home layouts? yep. iOS doesn't have customization to this extent. You can only change the theme of the icons and transtitions that too with jailbreak only. We can transform our phones to Windows Phone 7 style interface, iOS style interface, etc and much more!
4) custom keyboards have that too
5) custom dialers (?)and yes, even this.
6) Live wallpapers yep, though I don't use them.
7) CWM recovery for installing stuff/backup/recovery We can back up everything, even repos and installed tweaks.
7a) what does iOS users do if they hose their OS, if they can't flash a stock rom? what are you talking about? if you don't want a jailbroken phone you just install iOS again and restore your settings, can't android do that?
Note 2(ish) specific stuff:
1) External SD card utilities (directory bind, etc)
2) app-in window (popup video, aircalc, overSkreen, etc)
3) multi-window
But actually, I'm curious about stuff like:
1) Do programs like tasker/llama work?
Do they have access to the hardware like that?
'simple' stuff like - if I'm at home, turn on wifi?
If I plug in my headphone, turn on bluetooth? (my typical car routine) Used to have something that worked off gps locations, but there are a few different things that iOS can use atm. I personally don't know too much about it, but I believe similar things can be done.
2) Quickboot - What is quickboot? I'll tell you if I know haha
3) Something like droidwall - blocking internet access for program X. Not sure, never looked for it.
Anything else?
I'm geniuinely curious what else Android folk take for granted that iOS doesn't allow for the sake of speed/stability/safety.
(which I find understandable, to be honest).
- Frank.[/COLOR]
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Use a readable colour, I'll take you seriously then. -sigh- Honestly, the unwillingness to even listen is amazing on this forum. The little I read, was that I don't know what widgets are...yes I do. And yes, iOS has them. Oh...and you couldn't transfer files? lol...my god. All you have to do is plug the phone in or use ftp. Wow...just wow.
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Use a readable colour, I'll take you seriously then. -sigh- Honestly, the unwillingness to even listen is amazing on this forum. The little I read, was that I don't know what widgets are...yes I do. And yes, iOS has them. Oh...and you couldn't transfer files? lol...my god. All you have to do is plug the phone in or use ftp. Wow...just wow.
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Yeah...I should have used a better color. I realised it after posting and I didn't wanna edit the whole thing again..
And plugging the phone does nothing. You cannot read the internal memory and you have to use the stupod iTunes which is not available in Linux.
But this discussion is going nowhere. Better say on topic! "What apps are not possible on iOS?" instead of saying what is possible(Even if the OP stated some things wrong)
system.img said:
Yeah...I should have used a better color. I realised it after posting and I didn't wanna edit the whole thing again..
And plugging the phone does nothing. You cannot read the internal memory and you have to use the stupod iTunes which is not available in Linux.
But this discussion is going nowhere. Better say on topic! "What apps are not possible on iOS?" instead of saying what is possible(Even if the OP stated some things wrong)
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Well, linux must suck more than I thought. I can use a number or programs to access the memory of the iPhone, or even set it up so that winblows or OS X sees it like a usb drive.
Oh, I managed to read one more thing...WP7? iOS has that as well. You must never have owned an iOS device, or at least jailbroken it. As for backing up settings? iTunes does that, so does aptbackup etc.
Maybe you should use a better OS than linux? I want to like linux...but it supports nothing. If linux has the programs os x / windows does, I'd use it in a heart beat.
Well I can share my thoughts after spending a year with the iPhone 4 as my main mobile device.
2) file managers: iFile is good. It's like Root Explorer on Android. It did everything I needed it to do.
2a) Titanium backup (is this true?): Backing up an iPhone was HARD for me. I didn't want to use iTunes for it, so I ended up doing manual backups, pulling database files for contacts, sms, call logs and things like that from system folders using SSH. There is no Titanium Backup for iOS. Trust me. I spent DAYS looking for a good backup app in Cydia. Nothing. There are apps that back up your Cydia sources and packages, so that's useful, but they wouldn't back up system settings, sms, call logs, apps and app data.
2b) Programs can open any file (so to speak, like you can e-mail any file as attachment): There is a tweak in Cydia that will allow you to attach any file to an e-mail.
2c) Ways to just copy stuff on/off randomly: I used SSH and an FTP client
2d) USB mass storage: DiskAid, http://www.digidna.net/products/diskaid
3) custom launchers/homescreens: You can arrange your icons freely... Tweaks in Cydia will allow you to put icons anywhere without them snapping to the grid. Pathetic customization options, absolutely awful and very boring.
4) custom keyboards: Well, not really... You can theme it black if you want... and add emoji support... And add a fifth row. With Cydia tweaks, of course not if you're not jailbroken.
6) Live wallpapers: vWallpaper in Cydia. It destroys battery life though. http://appadvice.com/appnn/2011/12/...per-2-live-wallpapers-get-ios-5-compatibility
7) CWM recovery for installing stuff/backup/recovery: I almost LOL'd... That's a no. :laugh:
7a) what does iOS users do if they hose their OS, if they can't flash a stock rom? Restore with iTunes (the equivalent of re-stocking using Odin)
For automatic wifi/bluetooth toggling and similar, look here: http://lifehacker.com/5908536/how-to-make-your-iphone-read-your-mind
You CAN do those things but in my experience the whole setup process is just infuriating. Many times you have to install small individual Cydia tweaks for every little thing you want to change, and it will make your iPhone slower and more unreliable, more prone to random things happening like MobileSubstrate crashes, reboots... My iPhone once mysteriously uninstalled two games on its own, they were just gone. No doubt due to my jailbreaking and all the tweaks I had, but still... Random things can happen is my point.
The iPhone is known for being smooth in operation, reliable, and a jailbreak will really mess with the stability. It's ironic, that you have to make the phone more unstable and compromise its smoothness and battery life in order to get it to do things that we take for granted on Android.
Overall applications quality is better, if not way, in iOS. We Need 100 good quality apps rather than 50 average and 50 below average ones. Frankly too much crap apps are in Play Store with top rating.
And even iOS 5 is hell of a lot smoother than JB. Still I keep using Android for 3 years as there is too much restriction in iOS.
And people who don't own an iPhone, you don't own an iPhone, so they don't have right to comment. I do, thus I did.
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SchusterIX said:
widgets are...yes I do. And yes, iOS has them. Oh...and you couldn't transfer files? lol...my god. All you have to do is plug the phone in or use ftp. Wow...just wow.
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Give me examples of iOS widgets then.
And you can ftp to an iphone? or ftp from an iphone to another box?
Give a link to a video demonstrating this.
- Frank
system.img said:
2) file managers iOS has that Not without voiding your warranty with jailbreak. And it is not as extensive as the ones on Android
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I think it is still valid to include (perhaps in a separate list) what is possible with a jailbroken phone, just as I'd include stuff possible on android with a rooted phone. I suppose custom rom territory is getting a bit much, since technically anything is possible with a custom rom.
So some further questions:
My crude research says there are file transfer tools on IOS, but it's not direct. You can only send 'supported' file formats , so it goes through some sort of proxy. correct?
ChodTheWacko said:
I think it is still valid to include (perhaps in a separate list) what is possible with a jailbroken phone, just as I'd include stuff possible on android with a rooted phone. I suppose custom rom territory is getting a bit much, since technically anything is possible with a custom rom.
So some further questions:
My crude research says there are file transfer tools on IOS, but it's not direct. You can only send 'supported' file formats , so it goes through some sort of proxy. correct?
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Did you mean that you only want the answers to be about what can be done on an unjailbroken iPhone? Or did I misunderstand?
iTunes file transfer is of course massively limited, you can only send supported formats through there. But if you're jailbroken and send things through SSH for example, you can send anything you desire.
Kiahnlliya said:
Well I can share my thoughts after spending a year with the iPhone 4 as my main mobile device.
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Well, that is quite insightful - thank you very much.
I'll be updating my first post when I have time to go through your post more and the relevant links.
- Frank
Kiahnlliya said:
Did you mean that you only want the answers to be about what can be done on an unjailbroken iPhone? Or did I misunderstand?
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You didn't misunderstand - my question wasn't well formed.
To be honest, I hadn't thought that far.
As I mentioned in my first post, I'm basically trying to understand the differences between iOS and Android.
That way, if I recommend a phone (to others, or myself), I can make an informed decision based on their needs and style.
So I think it's useful to know what Androidian things aren't possible on stock iOS.
And also useful, for the more adventurous/tolerant folk, to know what's possible on a jailbroken iOS, or other unorthodox means.
- Frank
ChodTheWacko said:
As I mentioned in my first post, I'm basically trying to understand the differences between iOS and Android.
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By the way, when you have time, you should check out this video series highlighting the differences between iOS and Android: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMiY1kSTHZw
It's in five parts. VERY enlightening, well worth watching. When I still had my iPhone and was starting to feel like it was time to move back to Android, those videos really opened my eyes and helped me make my decision.
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So, who have had time to look at the UI Design and Interaction Guide? I see everyone's busy discussing and defining multitasking, but isn't this newly released document the most interesting thing to have come out of Mix so far? I think.
I've just skimmed through it but first of all I love that Microsoft FINALLY provied a sleek GUI framework out of the box for app development! Of course, it was expected with Silverlight support and all, but it's nice to get it confirmed. I'm talking about stuff such as
-Gesture support
-Finger friendly controls
-Smooth scrolling panels
I know all these things have been possible before, but not with ease. Coming from the .NET CF world, I've had to spend a lot of time enabling such featurse in my apps. And they're not as slick as I expect them to be in WP7.
The UI is what most needed improvement for the apps on Windows Phones to be competitive with iPhone apps. This will lower the threshold for developers to create smooth, impressive apps. This will increase competitiveness for Windows Phones, which in turn will benefit us, the developers - enlarging our market.
Agree? ..or are most guys at this not that concerned with monetizing on their apps?
I've downloaded it but not had chance to look through yet as I'm at work.
Whilst I'm pretty unsure still about the whole marketplace-only, no FS support stuff, I am quite excited about the new development stuff. Like you say, nice interface controls will be there ready to use instead of having to rely on hacks and third party stuff to achieve something approaching half-decent.
I'm glad this is available already, the more time the better, and it makes sense really as MS will want their appstore pretty well populated at launch to compete with iPhone and Android.
Nilzor said:
So, who have had time to look at the UI Design and Interaction Guide?
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I did. Found out that there are no file open/save controls. Immediately realized that until a jailbreak comes out there's no way I'm buying a WP7S phone, despite the many things I love about this new OS.
Only 4 "accent colors" plus 1 manufacturer color.
The accent colors are ORANGE, RED, BLUE and GREEN.
Why 4? Why cant the user change it from color palette selection?
I would love to use BLACK or DARK BLUE or blue grey ala iPhone !
I just cannot understand this accent color limitation
if found something interesting in the guide. a windows mobile 7 handy have same number of buttons as a hd2 .
1. Power/Sleep
2. Volume
3. Screen
4. Camera
5. Back
6. Start
7. Search
So, the only difference is the layout.
It's a very valuable document, thanks.
We'd like Microsoft deliver more samples to provide a sort of a framework with frequently used patterns.
In any case Silverlight applications look fantastic.
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I did. Found out that there are no file open/save controls. Immediately realized that until a jailbreak comes out there's no way I'm buying a WP7S phone, despite the many things I love about this new OS.
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What is your goal here? Do you want to store data for the App or are you trying to write a FileExplorer app?
tyrannus said:
What is your goal here? Do you want to store data for the App or are you trying to write a FileExplorer app?
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I need file storage as a user, not as a developer. Anyone who tried to transfer files to the iPhone for third party programs knows it's a PITA.
Microsoft is simply trying to protect you from yourself and the dangers of unauthorized text files and colors.
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Microsoft is simply trying to protect you from yourself and the dangers of unauthorized text files and colors.
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+1
I know first hand just how nasty those text files can be .. omg HAX~
and colors?!?... watch yoursnelves. any more then 5 and we've got a global disaster on our hands.
surely ms wouldnt release an updated version of an os with less features?.. would they?
copenhagen said:
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I know first hand just how nasty those text files can be .. omg HAX~
and colors?!?... watch yoursnelves. any more then 5 and we've got a global disaster on our hands.
surely ms wouldnt release an updated version of an os with less features?.. would they?
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While lack of colours seems weird, I'm sure it could be easily implemented.
Less features? Laughable, considering what WM6 is.
Lumic said:
While lack of colours seems weird, I'm sure it could be easily implemented.
Less features? Laughable, considering what WM6 is.
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Yea just like other other weird things that could be easily implemented, like multitasking, cut & paste, file system access, and having a user accessible SD card slot.
I don't know if you saw the leaked specsheets for the Dell Lightning, but that thing comes with an 8GB miniSD card, user-upgradable.
Yes, it is upgradeable if you don't mind voiding your warranty and tearing apart your entire phone. On the plus side however, removing the battery cover on my Rhodium to get access to the SD slot doesn't seem quite as annoying anymore.
First paragraph:
http://www.techautos.com/2010/03/17/windows-phone-7-series-hardware-requirements/
Ok there are a lot of questions about Android in a lot of different threads scattered about the forum so I thought I would make this topic.
I've had my G1 for 14 months now, in that time I've seen the upgrade from 1.1 to 1.5 to 1.6. I've rooted my device, installed a whole load of Cyanogen Roms, Hero Roms and Super D Roms. I've even installed Debain on my system.
If anyone has any questions about Android please use this thread and I'll do my best to answer them.
How many applications do you usually find yourself running at once and how much effect does it have on battery life in the real world?
Many. Android doesn't close applications it keeps them in the memory until they need to be removed (ie when more memory is needed).
On the G1 I run anything up to about 20 applications at the same time. It's never effected performance and battery life is fine. You generally find you have to charge the phone at the end of the day after heavy usage but the G1 is known for having poor battery life.
Of course you can use Task Managers etc to increase your battery life but it's not really necessary like certain articles/websites like to make out. I get around 15 hours life on my G1 and that's with sending around on average 20 texts a day, a few phone calls, some game time, surfing the net about an hour a day and going on facebook/twitter regularly over about 4 hours a day (basically anytime I'm in a lecture). I also get 2 hours of music playback via AD2P bluetooth headphones.
I've read about people saying that there is a limit to the amount of apps you can install because everything has to be saved to the ROM. (Assuming you don't root it and install it to the SD card). Do you know if this is true?
what are the advantages n disadvantages of android over the winmo ??
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I've read about people saying that there is a limit to the amount of apps you can install because everything has to be saved to the ROM. (Assuming you don't root it and install it to the SD card). Do you know if this is true?
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Yes this is true however the Desire has 512mb of space for you to store apps. I've got a 800mb partition on my G1 for Apps2SD and I have around 200 apps installed lol with no problems so 512mb will probably hold quite a few apps.
They're working on getting apps installed to the SD card in the next android release.
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what are the advantages n disadvantages of android over the winmo ??
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That's a broad question, maybe you can be more specific?
Hey brummiesteven, thanks for creating this for Android noobs like me! I've been using WinMo for quite some time. Never played with Android until just a few weeks ago when I tried running Android on my Touch Pro2.
Enough history, on to my questions...
1. Is there a native file explorer? If not, I suppose there are 3rd-party ones. Any one in particular that is considered the file explorer? (The equivalent of Resco Explorer or Total Commander in WinMo?)
2. I read in that there's no native Office doc (ie, Word, Excel, etc) editor. There's only a viewer. Again, I suppose there are 3rd-party ones. Recommendations? Does it work as well as the native one in WinMo?
I guess that's it. These are my only concerns about jumping ship to Android. Everything else, I'm going to have a blast figuring out on my own...
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Hey brummiesteven, thanks for creating this for Android noobs like me! I've been using WinMo for quite some time. Never played with Android until just a few weeks ago when I tried running Android on my Touch Pro2.
Enough history, on to my questions...
1. Is there a native file explorer? If not, I suppose there are 3rd-party ones. Any one in particular that is considered the file explorer? (The equivalent of Resco Explorer or Total Commander in WinMo?)
2. I read in that there's no native Office doc (ie, Word, Excel, etc) editor. There's only a viewer. Again, I suppose there are 3rd-party ones. Recommendations? Does it work as well as the native one in WinMo?
I guess that's it. These are my only concerns about jumping ship to Android. Everything else, I'm going to have a blast figuring out on my own...
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1. No native file explorer, I think Astro is generally seen as the best file exporer:
http://www.cyrket.com/p/android/com.metago.astro/
2. Again no native Office. There are quite a few office suites, I don't know which is the best as I have no use for one. Here's one of them though:
http://www.androffice.com/
It will be worth noting that there probably will be a google docs app soon. And you can edit google docs already on android via docs.google.com. There's also a program called GDocs that syncs all your google documents to your handset.
I think the reason why there's no "Native" options for these is because Initially "Stock Android" is aimed at the average customer, they wanted to get the balance right for non tech savy people who just want a phone with apps but also allow the possibility and expansion of turning it into something extremely powerful for someone of the more tech savvy type.
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That's a broad question, maybe you can be more specific?
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umm thought you might say that right let me think
- i've been mainly using symbian and winmo devices for the past years and there was some issues with stability and lag etc. on my old n95 8gb i used to get slow downs when ie had lots of apps installed does that happen on android? lags etc?
- are there any custom roms tweaks or in general droid doesnt really require much work to make it better?
- what about security of droids? as its an open source software it might be easily hacked, accessed by 3rd party users?
thats it so far i probably forgot about other more important things
well thanks anyway
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umm thought you might say that right let me think
- i've been mainly using symbian and winmo devices for the past years and there was some issues with stability and lag etc. on my old n95 8gb i used to get slow downs when ie had lots of apps installed does that happen on android? lags etc?
- are there any custom roms tweaks or in general droid doesnt really require much work to make it better?
- what about security of droids? as its an open source software it might be easily hacked, accessed by 3rd party users?
thats it so far i probably forgot about other more important things
well thanks anyway
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1. Put it this way, I've never experienced any slowdown on my G1 and it has like maybe a 3rd of the spec of the Desire? It is a fast operating system, wont be slowed down by installing a lot of apps but might by by having a lot of apps open but I highly doubt this would ever be a problem on the Desire (as it isn't on my G1).
2. Yes there are custom roms, mostly of different builds. For example the HTC Hero doesn't officialy have 2.1 released but there are already a few 2.1 roms for it on XDA. There will always be a way for devs to increase speed on here... even if it isn't needed speed can always be increased .
3. The only security flaw you would have is if you rooted it, this enables the root account and on a linux system the root account can do things like access system files. Having said this, if you do root the phone, the phone will ask you before it permits anything (program etc) root access. I've never heard of anyone having their phone hacked or anything like that.
I have had my G1 since it came out. Also, I rooted it as soon as that was possible. I have tried/installed over 500 apps and normally have over 100 installed at any given time. I have never had any issue with hacking or security.
That having been said! Recently, I read on an Android site where a group of individuals made an app as an experiment to see if they could access a users data. I believe it was a weather app. A majority of the users (if I remember correctly) didn't read the access rights of the weather app - as it said in the access rights it would have access to the users contacts/data. The app was able to upload user's data/contacts from those who installed the app.
So, MAKE sure you always read any applications access rights prior to installing an application. If the app is requesting access to information within your device that are NOT related to the apps functions - don't install it!
If you do that one thing - you should have nothing to worry about!
@brummiesteven - Didn't mean to highjack your thread. This is a great service you are providing for the new Androidians! Just wanted to remind them (all users) to read those app access rights before installing an application.
Hijacking? Lol don't be silly the more the better
Thanks for answering these questions. This next one is a bit more speculative....
given that winmo 6.5.x is probably going to be the last iteration before WP7S, what are the chances that some kind of emulator will be built to run legacy winmo apps on Android?
would this even be possible?
Hi Steven,
great service
One thing I really liked about my Blackberry, was the ability of customization regarding profiles and the notifications connected to it.
Is it possible to create profiles in Android, like 'Silent', 'Vibrate Only' and maybe one for the office where ringtones and notifications are very silent to avoid waking everyone up at the office
By the way, I recently stumbled over an application called cVolume that seems to enable some customization in that regard.
Is it possible to assign different ringtones for messages, mails, event notifications etc.?
(An example of what I dislike: I actually use a Palm Pre and the launch firmware didn't allow much customization. All notifications (except event reminders), no matter whether new mail, new textmessage used the same ringtone, which also couldn't be changed. That changed thankfully with a later firmware. Profiles are still not supported, you can just switch between 'ringtones on' or 'shut up/vibrate only'. --> Having used a Blackberry before, I felt kinda castrated with that few options of notification-settings )
Thx & Greetz,
69Mws
Sorry, no time to read which questions you have answered! I just copy/past my questions from another thread:
I can not call myself a WinMo veteran, since I have been using the HD2 for only 2,5 months. But the fact that it is already a dead device because of the Developers leaving to 7 Series(Adobe just stopped making flash for it, while they were very close to finishing it) makes me sad. If on 1 April there is still no word on the future of the HD2, I am selling it and getting a Desire.
A few questions to Android users!
How is the Android Market? How many apps? All useable by Desire, or is the divercity of the Android devices making the quality suffer? And only instal to internal memory right?
General Android OS: easy to use? Eye candy? Touch optimized?
Android browser: good or not? Is there Opera browser for Android?
Does HTC Sense work well with Android? Does it become 'one', or stay 2 different things like Sense and WinMo?
What should I know more about Android? What do you Android users think are the bad things about the OS and hope to see changed in the future updates?
I know it is a lot I am asking, but I am making a right decision this time so I need to be informed.
Kind regards
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...How is the Android Market? How many apps? All useable by Desire, or is the divercity of the Android devices making the quality suffer? And only instal to internal memory right?
General Android OS: easy to use? Eye candy? Touch optimized?
Android browser: good or not? Is there Opera browser for Android?
Does HTC Sense work well with Android? Does it become 'one', or stay 2 different things like Sense and WinMo?
What should I know more about Android? What do you Android users think are the bad things about the OS and hope to see changed in the future updates?
I know it is a lot I am asking, but I am making a right decision this time so I need to be informed.
Kind regards
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I'm no Android user yet. But I have played with the emulator running on my Touch Pro2. So I can help answer a couple of your questions.
1. Android Market is much more extensive than Windows Marketplace. Remember, it's not the quantity but quality of apps that matters. And quality there appears to be much more quality apps than WinMo. Perhaps veteran Android users can chime in regarding usability by the Desire and installation location.
2. The Android OS is so much more pretty than WinMo. There are fade in/out animations when opening/closing windows. Everything is finger-friendly. The slide-down notifications bar is extremely handy. The ability to fully customize your home screens with shortcuts and widgets is just great.
3. The Android browser is much better than Opera Mobile on WinMo. I think there's Opera Mini in the Android Marketplace. But really, I don't think there's any reason to not use the default browser. It's renders fast and accurately. I can even access my internet banking site which doesn't work on WinMo or iPhone OS.
4. There's plenty of videos of Sense on Android. Check those out and see for yourself. Personally, I think it's great. Completely different than Sense on WinMo. Sense on WinMo is just a Today-screen plugin and enlarged menus. Sense on Android includes the HTC widgets and Leap among other goodies.
5. This is something I want to know too. Most of us know about what's bad about the iPhone OS and WinMo. But what's bad about Android that you'd want changed?
does Android require soft/hard reset every now and then like those damn M$ Windows Phones ?
I asked these in a different section, but thought I would see what Answers I get here, I know some have been answered before.
1. If / when the Desire gets rooted, will the device be permanently rooted or will official updates from HTC "un-root" it?
So hypothetically, I get a Desire and it is rooted, and HTC releases Android 3.0 (for example), would I be able to upgrade to the newer software or would I have to use a "dev" update?
2. Since the hardware between the 2 phones is very similar, what is the chances of current Nexus One modded ROMs (cyanogen, enmother etc) working on a rooted Desire?
3. I imagine the community will be working on rooting the Desire so it can port the shipping version of Sense UI to the Nexus One?
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Stu
69mws said:
Hi Steven,
great service
One thing I really liked about my Blackberry, was the ability of customization regarding profiles and the notifications connected to it.
Is it possible to create profiles in Android, like 'Silent', 'Vibrate Only' and maybe one for the office where ringtones and notifications are very silent to avoid waking everyone up at the office
By the way, I recently stumbled over an application called cVolume that seems to enable some customization in that regard.
Is it possible to assign different ringtones for messages, mails, event notifications etc.?
(An example of what I dislike: I actually use a Palm Pre and the launch firmware didn't allow much customization. All notifications (except event reminders), no matter whether new mail, new textmessage used the same ringtone, which also couldn't be changed. That changed thankfully with a later firmware. Profiles are still not supported, you can just switch between 'ringtones on' or 'shut up/vibrate only'. --> Having used a Blackberry before, I felt kinda castrated with that few options of notification-settings )
Thx & Greetz,
69Mws
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There's no option for this initially but the system does allow you to assign different notification tones to different events, eg Email and SMS.
There will be apps that allow you to have "profiles". There's even an app called Locale which is pretty much an automatic profiler, will switch your settings dependant on the time, your location etc. For example, if I'm at Uni it automatically switches my phone to silent for all notifications and vibration only.
The following are the features NEEDED before I adopt WP7 as my new smartphone OS.
1. Rooted device.
2. Rooted windows share Local network access.
3. File explored => than iFile
3. Phone theme app similar to winterboard for iPhone.
4. DLNA in all forms.
5. True windows live Mesh.
6. Zune updated via explorer, no tethered or untethered syncing needed.
7. Push everything.
8. App pirating scene => apptrackr.org for iPhone.
9. Video game console emulation from all the greats.
10. IE download manager.
11. Video chat.
These needs are almost already met with my iPhone. Being a avid windows 7 and windows media center user I can see a huge advantage of adopting WP7. Devs, can u tell me how many features I can check off this list? I know some are possible with 6.x already. Feel free to add to this list for wanted features that are out of the norm.
Also I don't think I like the idea of ROM cooking. I might not understand it though, since ROM means read only memory does it mean that u have to modify your devices os before you install it in your phone? I don't like that at all. I want to be able to modify my os at anytime in explorer like u can with windows 7.
App pirating...oh yeah that's a feature that will be good for the development of the platform. Seesh, people work hard on stuff and generally charge reasonable prices to keep themselves afloat and you demand app pirating!? Dear Microsoft please allow rpoot access to the device so people can find work arounds and steal your client's good work. That's exactly the attitude which stops Microsoft from allowing root access, because its waaaaay to easy to pirate then.
What we really need is a good ad revenue generator (ie Google ads, iAds) so that innovation can be driven by the financial incentive and these guys who dev can get some well earned cash.
Anyways, whats your job? Would you like it if I asked for yur services and then you didn't get paid?
Sorry grouchy this morning. #Rant
Yea. $400 for a phone is fine but then when asked to pay $3 for an app you'll use all the time it's just too much? :facepalm:
......why the hell does a mobile browser need a download manager?
Thats what the iPhone needs to be able to download mp3s or docs from safari. I just want the ability to download a mp3 from the net in the brower and have it show up in my zune media player. The iphone requires a few jailbroken apps to achieve this at the moment.
that's native in the zune music player already you know...
1. Rooted device.
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I thought rooting was only used for android. But as far as the unlocking thing, it is device dependent. Several developers are working on finding means to give developers more freedom as well as users with wp7. but it is a work in progress and takes time.
2. Rooted windows share Local network access.
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what
3. Phone theme app similar to winterboard for iPhone.
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Does this really have to be said? I mean are you looking for an application that will allow user customization of the start menu like winterboard? If so see post 1. to be frank the theming for wp7 so far is okay but nothing as open as windows mobile. But again we have no idea what the device can really do. It is based on what is found and the extent of what development will lead to.
But if you want winterboard...well get the phone that has it
4. DLNA in all forms.
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Again unsure if wp7 can do that. It may be able to but no idea. We don't know
5. True windows live Mesh.
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Isn't live mesh going to be gone soon?
6. Zune updated via explorer, no tethered or untethered syncing needed.
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I dunno if that's really necessary. There may be a program for it most likely. But I don't think its needed in first generation wp7 devices. Heck I much prefer to just drag and drop my files or sync with zune anyway...
7. Push everything.
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Not everything has to be push...I think that as far as notification goes push may be a hindrance. I do prefer the old system though
8. App pirating scene => apptrackr.org for iPhone.
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yeah this is a fail...
9. Video game console emulation from all the greats.
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That is developer dependent and its tough to say what the emulation scene will be like...
10. IE download manager.
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Why!? Seriously why!? sorry but that's retarded. I mean how much are you downloading on your phone right now to substantiate a feature like that. remember, wp is the de emphasis of the phone being a computer but performing some basic tasks like all smart phones can do in a different way.
11. Video chat.
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It could be a developer making something for that. No one knows
As for the things being met for your iphone, keep your iphone =) if you honestly are looking for information on a platform that isn't released, wait a year until wp7 has some options available...
and for the point of not liking rom cooking, do you even know the process? No you don't. May wanna read up on it...
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IMHO, almost everything you listed I know personally I won't be using my phone for that. I don't mind media centric information but there is overload. For suiting my needs (clinical psychology) I may need to browse some psychology databases, a dedicated pdf reader, an ebook reader, the ability to record notes from class, patient intake, and so on. But again specifics differ according to user of the device.
Thanks for the info domineus, what I mean by "Rooted windows share Local network access." is the abiltiy for my phone's whole file system to show up when I click on the network in explorer on one of the PCs in my house. The iPhone does this with ubuntu when it is jailbroken right now. Also I want the abiltity to telnet/ssh into all my home network PCs to move files around and delete them or whatever. Basicly I want total control of my home network in the command line. This feature is lacking with my iPhone right now. I bet telneting is possible in windows mobile 6.x right now isn't it?
As far as the download manager thing goes. I don't know what u use your phone for but I am constantly getting new mp3s, pics, video, and docs offline everyday. The itunes library on the phone is encrypted right now so u can't just drop and drag in iFile to add to the itunes library. Also the default safari you can't save target as to get the file. I think you can with windows mobile 6.x though, I did it at work once. Half the time I'm not around a pc to sync anyways, I feel like tethered syncing is a chore. I am pretty sure you can't "save target as" in IE with the WP7 emulator.
Yeah Ive decided....you should get the iPhone...Im pretty happy to see how the community goes but for you to make demands a lot of which are stupid or overly tailored to your specific needs and hence serve no purpose on a public forum, well thats pretty darn silly.
gotta agree its a bit solipsistic
especially on a platform that is newly developed and IMHO we have no idea how its going to develop or the clientele requirements
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[...]Also I want the abiltity to telnet/ssh into all my home network PCs to move files around and delete them or whatever. Basicly I want total control of my home network in the command line. This feature is lacking with my iPhone right now. I bet telneting is possible in windows mobile 6.x right now isn't it?[...]
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Uhm, telnet? Yes, through 3rdparty apps of course. Telnet is a very simple thing to use, but you still need somewhere to telnet TO and something responding on the other end (on your computer(s)). So, the "feature" you want is not something that is related to the device, but rather something you need to setup on your LAN. You would only need a telnetapp on your device
Though I must say... Unless I was in a DIRE need for exposing my WHOLE system for outside access I would NEVER even dream of using a telnetserver on ANY of my systems (except on my linuxbox, hehe). Its a disaster waiting to happen There are fare better choices to use than telnet.
Regarding the file-sharing (SMB) you spoke of. Even if we disregard the fact that SMB is not a very secure protocol, the main thing that speaks against that MS would incorporate such a feature is... since MS doesnt even provide filesystem-access ON the device, why should they do it through SMB? I am pretty sure you can forget that one, at least out-of-the-box, maybe if its unlocked and through some obscure 3rdpartyapp.
Just my two cents...
Moving to general.
Skatingn330 said:
The following are the features NEEDED before I adopt WP7 as my new smartphone OS.
1. Rooted device.
2. Rooted windows share Local network access.
3. File explored => than iFile
3. Phone theme app similar to winterboard for iPhone.
4. DLNA in all forms.
5. True windows live Mesh.
6. Zune updated via explorer, no tethered or untethered syncing needed.
7. Push everything.
8. App pirating scene => apptrackr.org for iPhone.
9. Video game console emulation from all the greats.
10. IE download manager.
11. Video chat.
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1. Might happen, but a strange requirement
2. Don't understand this one?
3. You're not getting this, the phone don't have a traditional filesystem.
3_. You're not getting this either.
4. Microsoft is a promoter of DLNA
5. It's being merged to SkyDrive, and is supported at launch
6. Won't be possible with the explorer, but it will with the Zune desktop client.
7. The notification-system is based on push.
8. Microsoft is a large company with a long history of anti-piracy. You'll might get in trouble here
9. Write some XNA wrapper for it then!
10. I'd suspect there will be a form of management of downloads and downloaded files.
11. None of the 1. generation phones have a camera on the front side, so you'll have to wait. But software-wise it's supported from day one.
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Though I must say... Unless I was in a DIRE need for exposing my WHOLE system for outside access I would NEVER even dream of using a telnetserver on ANY of my systems (except on my linuxbox, hehe). Its a disaster waiting to happen There are fare better choices to use than telnet.
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Im pretty new to networking but wouldnt using a VPN serve the purpose of what he is wanting? Im not familiar with telnet hardly at all (expect for watching star wars episode 4 that i stumbled across google, haha) but it sounds like a VPN would do what hes looking for. Which WM, the iphone (from what i understand anyways), and im hoping WP7 does. Plus its much MUCH more secure then telnet in even its most basic form of PPTP.
These are the 3 important things on my list about Windows Phone 7. I know initially these wont be available but i remember reading a while back that the emulator or something got hacked by someone here and revealed a file explorer in windows phone 7
is that any indication that there will be a means of exploring the contents of the device like we currently have on winmo?
also how feasible would it be for them to allow multitasking for apps? is that something impossible for this platform or could they actually do this with a update?
and whats the word on using the device as a usb drive like most phones out there can currently do?
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These are the 3 important things on my list about Windows Phone 7. I know initially these wont be available but i remember reading a while back that the emulator or something got hacked by someone here and revealed a file explorer in windows phone 7
is that any indication that there will be a means of exploring the contents of the device like we currently have on winmo?
also how feasible would it be for them to allow multitasking for apps? is that something impossible for this platform or could they actually do this with a update?
and whats the word on using the device as a usb drive like most phones out there can currently do?
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Well you probably didn't follow the WP7 news....
Anyway at launch NONE of the above are available.
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the emulator or something got hacked by someone here and revealed a file explorer in windows phone 7
is that any indication that there will be a means of exploring the contents of the device like we currently have on winmo?
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The file explorer in the emulator didn't really work, but was present. It won't be available in the retail version and there will be no file system access for users.
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also how feasible would it be for them to allow multitasking for apps? is that something impossible for this platform or could they actually do this with a update?
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Multitasking will likely be added in a future update, although I would bet that this will be some iPhone-style limited multitasking where programs won't actually run in background but rather use OS services to do what needs to be done while they're not in focus. That multitasking is needed was confirmed by MS. How it will be implemented is not known, I'm guessing here.
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and whats the word on using the device as a usb drive like most phones out there can currently do?
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This won't be available. After all, it's not really useful without file system access.
So in these areas WP7 is very similar to the iPhone. To get this features, WP7 devices will need to be jailbroken (or whatever the process will be called).
Like stated above. Many if not all the things you are looking for may be missing on launch. But future updates may change this. Also don't doubt the good people at XDA-Devs not to find some sort of way around getting USB Mass Storage access as well as a File Explorer. Never Say "Never" around this place.
what about downloading through the web browser? like downloading pictures or like i do with my tp2 download music and albums will any downloading be possible at all thru the browser? since theres no file explorer now im guessing not
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Also don't doubt the good people at XDA-Devs not to find some sort of way around getting USB Mass Storage access as well as a File Explorer. Never Say "Never" around this place.
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I'm pretty sure we will get a USB Mass Storage mod, I just hope it isn't a long process like on the iphone.
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what about downloading through the web browser? like downloading pictures or like i do with my tp2 download music and albums will any downloading be possible at all thru the browser?
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That is possible for file types supported by the OS - images, office documents. All other file types will be downloadable via webbrowser controls within third-party applications to their isolated storage areas.
vangrieg said:
Multitasking will likely be added in a future update, although I would bet that this will be some iPhone-style limited multitasking where programs won't actually run in background but rather use OS services to do what needs to be done while they're not in focus. That multitasking is needed was confirmed by MS. How it will be implemented is not known, I'm guessing here.
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I think some kinds of multitasking are available. Read this post: bolingconsulting[dot]com/blog/?p=46
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I think some kinds of multitasking are available. Read this post: bolingconsulting[dot]com/blog/?p=46
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There is first party multitasking for some apps e.g. Zune. No third party multitasking e.g. no Pandora.
-R
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There is first party multitasking for some apps e.g. Zune. No third party multitasking e.g. no Pandora.
-R
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but there is a iPhone esque multi-tasking. They call it tombstoning. The app gets put into a saved state when you switch apps, and when you hit the back button it gets brought back up as if you never left, but it is not running in the background, just saved. But if you go to the home/star menu and start the same app it gets started as if you never had it in the tombstone state.
the toombstoning sounds awefull for anything that uses bluetooth or gps....
Tombstoning is NOT multitasking and it is NOT an alternative.
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Tombstoning is NOT multitasking and it is NOT an alternative.
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in most cases it is the same as multi tasking with the exception of music other than zune or gps / bluetooth however i do not see a need for a gps app to be running when its not in the foreground. but any other will act the same as it would on a phone with multi tasking. i would be intrested in you posting your example that you think wp7 cant do (with the exception of what is listed above).
It's not at all the same, never. Completely different thing that has nothing to do with multitasking.
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It's not at all the same, never. Completely different thing that has nothing to do with multitasking.
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you keep making the claim but have yet to give an example... wp7 current way of "multi task" vs andriod "multi task"
WP7:
1. App is running in the forderground
2. App is frozen in the RAM and only some threads are still running
3. App is frozen in the Flash memory and only some threads are still running
4. App is not running
Andriod
1. App is running in the foreground
2. App is frozen in the RAM and only some threads are still running
3. Just a portion of an app is running in the background as a service, the main app is deflated and residing in memory, or has been killed, leaving only the service.
4. App is not running, but is still in Memory in a deflated state until RAM runs out.
5. App is killed and not residing in memory. It may leave call to the OS to revive it periodically when conditions are met.
and here are a few examples people have explained how they use "multi task"
listen to my music
surf on the Internet,
check some addresses with Google Maps.
Also I use the camera.- wp7 possable
listening to music
open my twitter program
open a link from one of the twits
pause twitting to write a SMS - wp7 possable
The fact is there are very few areas where we do need "real multitasking", they are music+whatever and navigation+receiving a call/email. And of these, it is only navigation that seem not to be working as we all expect in first release of WP7 at least. Music, mail, phone are 1. party apps, and those will run in background when needed.
What people often think about when they say; "But I need multitasking"...they often just think about that they want to work in one app, then jump to another app, and then back to the first and continue where they left off...and that is something that is handeled by saving and loading of state. For us users...it will be as it was running in the background.
And then there are multitasking-scenario where you want for example to get notified when there is a new Twitter that mentions you, or when you airplane is delayed, and so forth...and that is also possible in WP7, if the developers use PushNotifications.
for now this is what most people really use as far as "multi task" goes...
Honestly, WM 6/6.5 style multitasking would be instant death for WP7. People who are computer-retarded (the majority of people) wouldn't be able to use it properly. When the memory fills up, the phone simply "stops working" for them and it's time to get an iPhone.
This new system makes much more sense... yes, it's not the same, but it will work just fine in the long run.
Perfect example I use my phone for navigation. I'm driving and my friend wants to surf the net while I drive. My friend takes my phone and starts browsing the net. Navigation is still running in the background giving me voice guided directions. Can WP7 do this?
What about surf the net while on a skype call?
What about Pandora while playing a game?
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Perfect example I use my phone for navigation. I'm driving and my friend wants to surf the net while I drive. My friend takes my phone and starts browsing the net. Navigation is still running in the background giving me voice guided directions. Can WP7 do this?
What about surf the net while on a skype call?
What about Pandora while playing a game?
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as mentioned above in many post "with the exception of navigation" and not all people use pandora zune will do for current. and yes you are what most consider to be a more "advance user" however this is not the norm as most people use one app at a time.. so although its not giving you all that you are looking for at the current it will fufill 95% of the users and they way they use apps. and the most important thing is it will run alot smoother and better than android, wm 6.5, 6.1, rim... i will take this over a few things not being able to run in the background anyday!!!
"Tombstoning" is nothing. Every OS can do that.
Multitasking means running applications in the background. On WP7, nothing is running at all = NO MULTITASKING.
= no navigation in the background
= no internet radio in the background
= no downloads in the background
= no skype in the backround
= no server in the background
= ...
Is that so hard to understand?! Are you somehow retarded or what's wrong with you?
Crow26, why do you have to be rude? Politeness never hurt anyone.
After I read the review on WM7 on GSMArena, I finally made up my mind: I will never downgrade to WM7, because it's what it actually is: a downgrade.
I use navigation a lot and, obviously, I receive calls while I drive. Is my HD2 the last phone with which I can do that? Is this the end of the line?
WM7 feels like another one of those OS for people who know nothing about computers (the majority). It is such a downgrade from WM6.5 in that sense...
I have a AT&T tilt 2 that is great and I have it customized to my liking. I saw the new HTC Surround and thought...its the newer, bigger, better phone. I believe I was wrong! I never went with the Iphone because I feel controled, I can only use the phone there way. Now windows 7 is just like it. I cant even get my contacts from my PC. A sim card only holds 200, not nearly enough. Is there any way to make win 7 like 6.5???? To use it as a storage card if I want to, Copy & paste, Teather, different browsers, support other video/audio, File explorer, Voice recorder, Google maps and how to loose the Bing search JUNK.
I haven't tried WP7 yet, but I don't have a big urge to because of this reason. Don't want to start a flame war with this (every phone has its good and bad points) but you definitely should have gone with Android for this. Microsoft tried to go in an entirely different direction with their new OS because of WM6.5's lackluster user base (overall and compared with new smartphones, I know it's been popular with the community here and elsewhere).
Android has a lot more of the old WM6.5 feel to it, but with a whole lot more ease of use compared to it. WP7 will possibly catch up (more thanks to XDA and other communities than Microsoft though)
Sounds like you shoulda did a tiny bit of research on the phone before you buy it. I usually do before I spend hundreds on a phone.
However, you have to keep in mind that WP7 has only been out for a few months so there may be tweaks in the future.
kikout88 said:
I have a AT&T tilt 2 that is great and I have it customized to my liking. I saw the new HTC Surround and thought...its the newer, bigger, better phone. I believe I was wrong! I never went with the Iphone because I feel controled, I can only use the phone there way. Now windows 7 is just like it. I cant even get my contacts from my PC. A sim card only holds 200, not nearly enough. Is there any way to make win 7 like 6.5???? To use it as a storage card if I want to, Copy & paste, Teather, different browsers, support other video/audio, File explorer, Voice recorder, Google maps and how to loose the Bing search JUNK.
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WP7 is made just so that you DON'T get to totally modify the look and feel. Metro UI is great and fast. The way it should be. Go watch the "really" commercial. You can sync your contact via live/google/facebook accounts. Welcome to 2011 where we keep our contacts on the cloud. As for storage card, you'll never get that access. You don't on iPhone. You will not on WP7 (unless homebrew). Most users should not need it unless you are trying to do things that MSFT does not want you to do (ie sideload apps that you should not be sideloading -- ie pirated apps, things to hack the system etc). Teather is all controlled by the carrier. Google map? I hate to say, get an Android. I am a developer on both Android and WP7. Looks like you really need an android rather than WP7. Otherwise, give it some time. First gen iPhones had a ton of missing features too. Just to refresh your memory....
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