http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...ake-city-and-austin-heres-the-full-breakdown/
http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/22/isis-nfc-payments-go-live-in-austin-and-salt-lake-city/
I downloaded the At&T Isis App and after starting the App up, I receive the message "This phone does not meet requirements to run the Isis Wallet." Anyone else getting this?
I'm on full stock, non-rooted s3 so I'm a bit surprised by this. The app also says it won't work if you are rooted. This is terribly frustrating as I've been wanting to use Google Wallet forever now...
Are you in Austin or Salt Lake City?
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Are you in Austin or Salt Lake City?
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Yeah I'm in Austin.
Edit: So after doing a bit of investing, in order to make this App work on your device you need to go into At&T and receive a new SIM card that is "secure". Will go in later today and report back. Hopefully I won't encounter clueless employees and can actually get the SIM that works with this (hopefully free).
Official Press release:
http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?p...goriesRssFeeds (AT&T All Categories RSS Feeds)
Please, don't.
Supporting Isis is supporting carrier collusion that is purposefully excluding Google Wallet and other competitors from compatible phones. I live in SLC and I absolutely will not support this crap. Also, it hardly supports any cards and is overall a huge waste of time and money.
ISIS can go FOAD.
The carriers blocked a viable Google Wallet on flimsy claims of "insecurity" and made millions of people go without it at all and are still waiting for them to finish their half-baked ISIS just so that they could dictate having a bigger percentage of the transaction pie.
Went to AT&T and switched out my SIM for a new one and now can use ISIS. Its free to do and they were prepared (I was the 3rd person to come in to do this). It comes with $10 preloaded onto the app and you can get an additional $15 if you make the card "reloadable". I walked down a few blocks to the Whole Foods and purchased lunch with it. Funny how the people that work there still don't know you can now pay by NFC with your cell. I also had a women behind me comment on it and asked if her Iphone5 can do that too
Anyways, look...I didn't create this thread to start a debate over ISIS. At the end of the day, ISIS supports my AMEX card which is the only one I use anyways. What exactly is Google Wallet doing that ISIS isn't for me right now? I've been wanting to use Gwallet forever, and I would be happy to switch over to it if carries allow it, but until then, I'll let Google fight that war.
Death&co said:
Anyways, look...I didn't create this thread to start a debate over ISIS. At the end of the day, ISIS supports my AMEX card which is the only one I use anyways. What exactly is Google Wallet doing that ISIS isn't for me right now? I've been wanting to use Gwallet forever, and I would be happy to switch over to it if carries allow it, but until then, I'll let Google fight that war.
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The problem is that this attitude is telling the carriers "It's okay, you can do whatever you want because I'll just go along with it. It's not my battle to fight." It IS your battle to fight, as their customer. Google isn't preventing you from using Wallet, your carrier is. And the only way you can tell them that is not okay is by not using the payment system they have basically illegally colluded to create. We can only hope the FCC gets involved sooner rather than later.
Anyway, there is no telling you that Google Wallet is doing anything for you right now, because you aren't being allowed to use it.
edit: I also just went to the FCC page and filed a complaint about Isis. If enough people do this we may get an investigation.
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I also had a women behind me comment on it and asked if her Iphone5 can do that too
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It doesn't like root and I think it uses the Samsung status field that says modified or normal to figure it out. We just need a way to make the phone report normal now.
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It doesn't like root and I think it uses the Samsung status field that says modified or normal to figure it out. We just need a way to make the phone report normal now.
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True it does not like root.
I unrooted but still have the Modified status and ISIS installed and setup. My cards still havent been added, but dont know if thats an ISIS thing or related to the fact that I _was_ rooted.
Figured Id give it a try, then back to Google Wallet.
Any word on if this gets billed as "ISIS $TRANSACTION_VENDOR" or directly as "$TRANSACTION_VENDOR"? Google Wallet bills as something like "GOOGLE WALLET $TRANSACTION_VENDOR" causing bonus rewards on cards to get thrown off. This means like transactions like gas or restaurants that normally should get 2-5% rewards only get 1% making wallet not financially worth the convenience.
Are the sim cards ONLY in SLC and Austin? Also, does Isis work on any paypass terminal like gwallet or only Isis enabled terminals?
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True it does not like root.
I unrooted but still have the Modified status and ISIS installed and setup. My cards still havent been added, but dont know if thats an ISIS thing or related to the fact that I _was_ rooted.
Figured Id give it a try, then back to Google Wallet.
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What did you use to unroot?
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cmjkxa said:
Are the sim cards ONLY in SLC and Austin? Also, does Isis work on any paypass terminal like gwallet or only Isis enabled terminals?
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Yes, sim cards only in SLC and Austin, but it should work anywhere you see the wireless pay sign (three wireless waves). There are supposedly some Isis specific terminals that let you redeem rewards and payment at the same time but even here in SLC havent seen those.
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I just went into SuperSU and selected Unroot. It did its thing, and rebooted my S3 and tada Isis stopped complaining and let me setup a wallet. But still no cards added, will have to call about that.
GJMarmots said:
Yes, sim cards only in SLC and Austin, but it should work anywhere you see the wireless pay sign (three wireless waves). There are supposedly some Isis specific terminals that let you redeem rewards and payment at the same time but even here in SLC havent seen those.
I just went into SuperSU and selected Unroot. It did its thing, and rebooted my S3 and tada Isis stopped complaining and let me setup a wallet. But still no cards added, will have to call about that.
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So you still have busybox installed yet ISIS worked? What does your status say in Settings - about. Modified or Normal?
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So you still have busybox installed yet ISIS worked? What does your status say in Settings - about. Modified or Normal?
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Im still new to Android, so not sure what Busybox is. But unless SuperSU took it out, its safe to assume its still there.
It says Modified. Its my understanding that the only way to make it go back to Normal is to do a full reflash of the stock firmware. Something Im not interested in doing. I read TriangleAway would reset the Flash counter but not the Status.
Also I did not use TriangleAway, nor did i use a method of rooting that would not trip the Flash Counter.
So with that being said it may explain why Isis isnt working. However I have not revealed that fact to support, because I used to work in support and when people here something "off" they latch on to it. The problem I have is the Isis App not connecting to the Isis servers to download the cards.
ATT sent me to Isis directly who has sent it to their server team.
So it could be my past rooting causing issues or something dumb on their end.
I have Google Wallet installed on the device as well, so who knows it thats playing havoc too. I have never tested Google Wallet at a terminal yet so unsure if its actually working.
But as Superm1 noted, Im not keen to use GWallet or Isis for main payment just so I can lose out on rewards or buyer protection.
Went ahead and picked up one of the new sim cards just because I could. When and if it supports root and Jelly Bean is when I might start using it.. Until then it just seems useless
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Went to AT&T and switched out my SIM for a new one and now can use ISIS. Its free to do and they were prepared (I was the 3rd person to come in to do this). It comes with $10 preloaded onto the app and you can get an additional $15 if you make the card "reloadable". I walked down a few blocks to the Whole Foods and purchased lunch with it. Funny how the people that work there still don't know you can now pay by NFC with your cell. I also had a women behind me comment on it and asked if her Iphone5 can do that too
Anyways, look...I didn't create this thread to start a debate over ISIS. At the end of the day, ISIS supports my AMEX card which is the only one I use anyways. What exactly is Google Wallet doing that ISIS isn't for me right now? I've been wanting to use Gwallet forever, and I would be happy to switch over to it if carries allow it, but until then, I'll let Google fight that war.
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If Isis works I'm all for it. In the beginning Google wallet wasn't much to get excited about either. You could only use Citi or prepaid wallet cards. As far as security is concerned, the argument can go both ways. As far as Isis doesn't charge some hidden fee I couldn't care less. I look forward to getting it out when it comes to my area.
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Any word on if this gets billed as "ISIS $TRANSACTION_VENDOR" or directly as "$TRANSACTION_VENDOR"? Google Wallet bills as something like "GOOGLE WALLET $TRANSACTION_VENDOR" causing bonus rewards on cards to get thrown off. This means like transactions like gas or restaurants that normally should get 2-5% rewards only get 1% making wallet not financially worth the convenience.
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I have my AMEX card linked to Isis. Used it at Whole Foods and checked my Amex pending charges online. Has the normal Whole Foods vendor charge so I'm still getting points just fine. There is nothing in my statement that mentions Isis at all :good:
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I have my AMEX card linked to Isis. Used it at Whole Foods and checked my Amex pending charges online. Has the normal Whole Foods vendor charge so I'm still getting points just fine. There is nothing in my statement that mentions Isis at all :good:
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That's awesome, thanks for confirming. I can't wait to get myself an ISIS enabled SIM now
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http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/15/2...ecurity?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Good news. Google Wallet "fixed" and provisioning of cards restored.
My wifes GN is now working fine, my GN that I had reset my wallet is not. All I get is the "Try Again" or "Remove Card" options. I called Google they sent me to Money Network who was a overnight call taker, didnt know much of anything. He created a ticket for the issue. Thank for info OP, at least I know they are not planning to take over the world with my $20! LoL
I tried activating the card, but it still states that service not available....Contacted Google and they informed that the pre-paid card is temporarily unavailable now....am i missing something?
yea this is a serious tease.......ugh
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the really really odd thing, i just called them about a hour ago when I didnt see these articles yet and neither google wallet or money networks had any freaking idea. they basically said "we hope to have a fix by friday, if not monday"
wtf
That's weird. Mine's working and shows the card/bank info and everything.
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That's weird. Mine's working and shows the card/bank info and everything.
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It is definitely back up and running again.
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I assume if you've removed or cleared appdata after this started you need to call money network.
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Did that, they are claiming Google hasnt done its part when they obviously have. Perhaps I should call again, it was rather early in the morning when I called. The reps didnt seem to know much of anything, both google and money network blamed each-other, lol.
mine isnt working at all ive cleared the cache and even uninstalled and reinstalled
From what I've found, the announcement about prepaid working again is for new users - those that haven't set up Wallet on their devices before.
Folks that have had Wallet and kept their data intact during the "outtage" *should* be able to continue to use Wallet as normal.
Those who wiped their data (as I did in preparation for a ROM upgrade) are still waiting on their prepaid cards to be made available. This is what I found out when I called Google and Money Network this morning; I'll call again tomorrow and see if there's any change.
codesplice said:
From what I've found, the announcement about prepaid working again is for new users - those that haven't set up Wallet on their devices before.
Folks that have had Wallet and kept their data intact during the "outtage" *should* be able to continue to use Wallet as normal.
Those who wiped their data (as I did in preparation for a ROM upgrade) are still waiting on their prepaid cards to be made available. This is what I found out when I called Google and Money Network this morning; I'll call again tomorrow and see if there's any change.
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Thanks for the update. Plz update us tomorrow after your findings?
Just went and tried to buy batteries at Rite Aid with my phone. Payment came up I held it on the terminal, then entered my PIN and put it back on the terminal. After a couple seconds it said "sent" but the merchant never got confirmation. I took it off the terminal and it gave an error saying to have the merchant reset it or whatever. Tried about 4-5 times it did the same thing every time.
Anyone else have this experience?
Also, looking at my transaction record it looks like the first one actually went through... but my balance doesn't reflect that, and it never gave me the merchant name or $ total. Thinking maybe they messed something up on their end? And after the first one didn't get accepted it blocked me from accidentally making multiple purchases?
edit: In the notes area, I wrote that. It was blank.
You most likely needed to hit "ok" on the physical terminal. Some stores you don't, some you do.
My wallet isn't working either. I had data in it (showed $3.XX balance), but it kept failing when I tried to add funds. I reinstalled and now I get the "Prepaid is unavailable" when I try to add the prepaid card.
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You most likely needed to hit "ok" on the physical terminal. Some stores you don't, some you do.
My wallet isn't working either. I had data in it (showed $3.XX balance), but it kept failing when I tried to add funds. I reinstalled and now I get the "Prepaid is unavailable" when I try to add the prepaid card.
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No prompt on the terminal at all. It just sat blank. Never got prompted to choose credit/debit either as the Google Wallet tutorials say you may have to select "credit" if possible. The terminal was blank the whole time : /
I know it may be having issues now but this experience isn't making me confident about Google Wallet. I really really want to be able to use this.
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No prompt on the terminal at all. It just sat blank. Never got prompted to choose credit/debit either as the Google Wallet tutorials say you may have to select "credit" if possible. The terminal was blank the whole time : /
I know it may be having issues now but this experience isn't making me confident about Google Wallet. I really really want to be able to use this.
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I'm just glad I used all my funds before this **** hit the fan. I loaded up an extra $50 on it but blew all $60 at Best Buy at once. Lol.
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I'm just glad I used all my funds before this **** hit the fan. I loaded up an extra $50 on it but blew all $60 at Best Buy at once. Lol.
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agreed i put 90 on it and went around, but now I have like 11.97 on it which is just sitting there because of this prepaid issue
NyPlaya513 said:
agreed i put 90 on it and went around, but now I have like 11.97 on it which is just sitting there because of this prepaid issue
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I heard trying to get your money back is a real pain in the ass. They deduct $5 (maybe more or less) to make you a check, mail the check, and then it takes a few weeks to receive. This whole situation has now become an ungodly mess.
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I called up money network a second time today and they claimed that the problem is still going on and it should be resolved by the end of the week. I don't know if this means we'll have to call to get our cards reactivated or if they'll start working again on their own. I'm also a bit concerned that it may involve a software upgrade and if that's the case I've had issues linking wallet to the market on my Verizon GN considering it isn't officially supported on Verizon phones.
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I have a thread for that.
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jonathan3579 said:
I heard trying to get your money back is a real pain in the ass. They deduct $5 (maybe more or less) to make you a check, mail the check, and then it takes a few weeks to receive. This whole situation has now become an ungodly mess.
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it is indeed a pain. i dont plan on withdrawing those funds. if needed ill resell my 2nd nexus (already sold the first one for another wallet issue!!!) and get another........thats how badly i love this feature....
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Acererak said:
I called up money network a second time today and they claimed that the problem is still going on and it should be resolved by the end of the week. I don't know if this means we'll have to call to get our cards reactivated or if they'll start working again on their own. I'm also a bit concerned that it may involve a software upgrade and if that's the case I've had issues linking wallet to the market on my Verizon GN considering it isn't officially supported on Verizon phones.
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i called them as well yesterday morning and they said the same, fix hopefully by Friday if not Monday
keep in mind the google rep didnt help at all but the money network guy.....kind of.....did?
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it is indeed a pain. i dont plan on withdrawing those funds. if needed ill resell my 2nd nexus (already sold the first one for another wallet issue!!!) and get another........thats how badly i love this feature....
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i called them as well yesterday morning and they said the same, fix hopefully by Friday if not Monday
keep in mind the google rep didnt help at all but the money network guy.....kind of.....did?
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How would you go about linking the prepaid card to the market by the way? That seems handy...
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How would you go about linking the prepaid card to the market by the way? That seems handy...
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Ditto..........
Just wondering, how many people have/use google wallet. I just don't know what the big fuss is about. I have pay pass on my debit card and i hardly use it.
for those who use google wallet do you gotta have the app running or is it like NFC?
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Just wondering, how many people have/use google wallet. I just don't know what the big fuss is about. I have pay pass on my debit card and i hardly use it.
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Just another way to pay that's a cool novelty.
for those who use google wallet do you gotta have the app running or is it like NFC?
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It opens the app for your PIN when you set the phone on the terminal, you enter the PIN and place it back down, and it makes the sale. It initializes with NFC to know to accept the payment.
Slightly off topic, but did anyone receive a $10 credit after activating a Google Prepaid card on Google Wallet?
Imagine a credit/debit/giftcard that doesn't physically exist in your wallet but you can use it at certain stores to pay for things. That is what the big deal is.
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It opens the app for your PIN when you set the phone on the terminal, you enter the PIN and place it back down, and it makes the sale. It initializes with NFC to know to accept the payment.
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so one would need NFC enabled on the phone?
androidlicious said:
Slightly off topic, but did anyone receive a $10 credit after activating a Google Prepaid card on Google Wallet?
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I though the credit was for only Sprint users???
androidlicious said:
Slightly off topic, but did anyone receive a $10 credit after activating a Google Prepaid card on Google Wallet?
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yes
eyekyu said:
so one would need NFC enabled on the phone?
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Yes NFC has to be enabled... its an NFC payment lol. NFC doesn't drain battery or anything.
I though the credit was for only Sprint users???
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Every Google Wallet user gets a $10 credit the first time it gets activated. Sprint users get a special offer of another $40 3 weeks after they activate.
Its the cooler way of paying . Aka the future.
Watch a video on it but
U won't know until u own it
Cool factor 10/10
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androidlicious said:
Slightly off topic, but did anyone receive a $10 credit after activating a Google Prepaid card on Google Wallet?
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I did.
nexus9988 said:
yes
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And for ones bought from Google, for the ten dollar one
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I see this taking off if all stores loyalty cards support this. My girls pure would lose ten pounds from just caryibg all those store cards
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Only thing I don't like is that you can't add less than $20 to it when adding funds. :/
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I used the $10 credit that is given so far.
Unless they open up more cards where I can link my debit, I don't plan on using it much. Linking all the crappy loyalty cards would be a real plus, I hate the space they take up.
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I used the $10 credit that is given so far.
Unless they open up more cards where I can link my debit, I don't plan on using it much. Linking all the crappy loyalty cards would be a real plus, I hate the space they take up.
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I don't understand the problem most people have with loyalty cards. I never take the cards with me, I always give my phone #
Anyone get an offer from Citi when messing around with it?
I received an offer for a $3,000 Citi MasterCard, 0% APR for first 12 months, 17% afterwards, no annual fees.
I accepted it since we just purchased a house and it's nice to have it on hand for any oh no moments, I added it to GWallet for sh!ts n giggles. got a letter in the mail thanking me for using GWallet...
Used wallet once. Novel idea, but we don't have the NFC market like japan does. You can swipe your phone at vending machines over there.
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Used wallet once. Novel idea, but we don't have the NFC market like japan does. You can swipe your phone at vending machines over there.
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My Work has em, feel like a bad ass in the break room.
Can you use any credit card you want with google wallet? Or is it set up as a mastercard only?
I have used it at 7-Eleven using the $10 credit from activating Google Wallet.
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Can you use any credit card you want with google wallet? Or is it set up as a mastercard only?
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right now they only support Citibank Mastercards that have Pay-pass capability. You can try a standard Citibank Mastercard, see if you might get lucky...
For the last 2 days I've been stumbling across this "ISIS Mobile payment" platform. It looks to be getting a lot of attention and is supported by AT&T, T Mobile, and Verizon. According to a few sources it will be available for a few devices (including ours) next month.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/28/isis-mobile-payment-system-primed-for-september-launch-supporte/
http://androidspin.com/2012/08/28/list-of-approved-isis-devices-by-carrier-do-you-have-one/
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...ystem-to-debut-in-september-after-delays.html
http://androidcommunity.com/isis-mobile-payments-coming-in-september-20120828/
So my question is, why is ISIS getting the attention and props from the carriers over Google Wallet? Is it more secure? Is it financially supported by the carriers?
I'm confused...
the carriers want the money that such a service brings and are trying to screw Google
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ISIS is a way for operators to get money out of NFC, that's why the operators are blocking Google Wallet from working. This is the same as Tethering.
The only thing starting next month is a test trial in Salt Lake City and Austin. Which, I believe, has been delayed from a previously announced July launch. I'm guessing a wider rollout will be sometime next year.
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ISIS is a way for operators to get money out of NFC, that's why the operators are blocking Google Wallet from working. This is the same as Tethering.
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Interesting... Makes perfect sense.
I've been reading and saw few YouTube clips... And Iris system looks 10 times more difficult to purchase. (compared to google) the security is ten times greater due to constant changing of the back of plastic 3 digit security code. (whew!)
Google wallet is obviously less with security.
Since Iris is backed by the 3 major 4G and lte service. Many vendors and merchants will adapt this feature very soon. This payment system was long existed in South Korea (visited galaxy s2 days) and citizens use it like it's their wallet.
Not sure Americans would be able to adapt and execute the isis business model and availability of credit cards.
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Interesting... Makes perfect sense.
I've been reading and saw few YouTube clips... And Iris system looks 10 times more difficult to purchase. (compared to google) the security is ten times greater due to constant changing of the back of plastic 3 digit security code. (whew!)
Google wallet is obviously less with security.
Since Iris is backed by the 3 major 4G and lte service. Many vendors and merchants will adapt this feature very soon. This payment system was long existed in South Korea (visited galaxy s2 days) and citizens use it like it's their wallet.
Not sure Americans would be able to adapt and execute the isis business model and availability of credit cards.
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Bull**** NFC chip than. Just let us use google wallet... Perfect option why wait for something else that does the exact same ****ing thing.. Why let us use all these other Google apps but not Wallet? The limitations on our device (and all other devices) are ridiculous especially if you paid a lot of money for it (which we already do)...
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Bull**** NFC chip than. Just let us use google wallet... Perfect option why wait for something else that does the exact same ****ing thing.. Why let us use all these other Google apps but not Wallet? The limitations on our device (and all other devices) are ridiculous especially if you paid a lot of money for it (which we already do)...
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Just after I left Verizon, they were fined by the FCC for blocking tethering apps. It was part of their agreement when acquiring LTE spectrum that the customer would be free to use whatever software they wanted on their devices. I wonder if they are also blocking Google Wallet since this would also be in breach of their agreement.
As for ATT and T-Mobile, it would be nice to have support without resorting to workarounds.
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Just after I left Verizon, they were fined by the FCC for blocking tethering apps. It was part of their agreement when acquiring LTE spectrum that the customer would be free to use whatever software they wanted on their devices. I wonder if they are also blocking Google Wallet since this would also be in breach of their agreement.
As for ATT and T-Mobile, it would be nice to have support without resorting to workarounds.
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I have to think there's an Anti-Trust class action coming if they dont change their ways pretty quickly here.
woostar88 said:
Interesting... Makes perfect sense.
I've been reading and saw few YouTube clips... And Iris system looks 10 times more difficult to purchase. (compared to google) the security is ten times greater due to constant changing of the back of plastic 3 digit security code. (whew!)
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Yeah, I tried using the Iris system and now I wear an eye patch.
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Since Iris is backed by the 3 major 4G and lte service. Many vendors and merchants will adapt this feature very soon. This payment system was long existed in South Korea (visited galaxy s2 days) and citizens use it like it's their wallet.
Not sure Americans would be able to adapt and execute the isis business model and availability of credit cards.
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I guess this ISIS release is a positive in this regard as it will give us more places to use Google Wallet. Right now I don't go to a single place regularly that allows me to use Google wallet.
The best part is fine print
www paywithisis com/terms-of-service.xhtml#four
Do you guys think Sprint have something do with Google Wallet not to be released on others carriers. And in the other hand some says that phones from other carriers not sprint doesnt have the corrected codes for wallet. That google would have to update them
gypsy214 said:
Do you guys think Sprint have something do with Google Wallet not to be released on others carriers. And in the other hand some says that phones from other carriers not sprint doesnt have the corrected codes for wallet. That google would have to update them
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Plenty of people have Google Wallet up and running on other carriers besides Sprint. Obviously it is a work around, but anyone that truly wants to use Google Wallet doesn't have to look very far or put much effort in getting it to work for their device regardless of carrier.
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Yeah, I tried using the Iris system and now I wear an eye patch.
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I don't think any one (other than me) got that. But very funny
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Eye saw what he did there.
No ISIS for you! (said in soup nazi voice)
I live in Salt Lake, one of the test cities. I got the isis sim card from tmobile but isis wouldn't install on my s3. I retored my stock rom and it installed just fine. Then I installed my stock rom after rooting and got the following (see image below) when i installed and tried to run isis.
Bottom line, u root, no isis.
So far the only isis specific terminal I've seen here in salt lake is the light rail system. I tried google wallet on it and it said I paid but the transaction never went through. I'm hoping the pay termials will take either. I applaud that isis may make nfc more visible and acceptable to the general public but restrictions make it doa.
All that said, im back to liquid smooth....
f*** Isis, Google FTW
btw how do the carriers make money off nfc with Isis?
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f*** Isis, Google FTW
btw how do the carriers make money off nfc with Isis?
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Seriously? They get a cut of each transaction. How do you think atm's make money?
Here's your sign.
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Seriously? They get a cut of each transaction. How do you think atm's make money?
Here's your sign.
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So Google doesn't make money for the carriers & that's why they block it?
I am rooted and run Muzzy's awesome ROM. That doesn't stop me from being pissed about Verizon acting like pricks. I filed a complaint to the FCC regarding the matter. This is the letter that Verizon sent back. It screams of horse****. I also sent a response to their complaint directly to the FCC. See that below as well. I haven't heard back from them on this. Everyone file a complaint. EFF Verizon.
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I am rooted and run Muzzy's awesome ROM. That doesn't stop me from being pissed about Verizon acting like pricks. I filed a complaint to the FCC regarding the matter. This is the letter that Verizon sent back. It screams of horse****. I also sent a response to their complaint directly to the FCC. See that below as well. I haven't heard back from them on this. Everyone file a complaint. EFF Verizon.
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a little more color... This guy called me before sending the response in a letter. When pressed on the technical issues, he couldn't offer any answers. I pushed him on a number of these fronts and all he could say was that he isn't a technical expert and couldn't comment on the specifics...even after I told him the specifics.
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... all he could say was that he isn't a technical expert and couldn't comment on the specifics...even after I told him the specifics.
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Did you ask him why he's wasting your time if he's not a technical expert and tell him to put someone who knows what he/she is talking about on the phone?
Bhaha he's trying to pass that Google is blocking Wallet? Semantics, I mean Google is blocking Wallet, but only because Verizon is ordering it. These execs play with semantics, be careful how you word things...
In the meantime we'll root and unlock our phones and use Wallet anyway. I just don't understand why Verizon blocks stuff, from Motorola's My Moto (is that what it was called?) to HTC's Hub and MyHTCSense.com, to tethering natively, to this Wallet thing. Not to mention they have to rape each update so we're reminded who owns us (okay an exaggeration). Unlimited LTE data, that's the only think keeping a lot of us on board.
Here's to OP for being proactive, did any of you complain to the FCC? Neither did I. lol
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Add to this is the fact that Verizon is not blocking the ISIS app (which Verizon is invested in), which uses both the NFC and the secure element. Previous Verizon excuses is that they don't allow Google Wallet because it uses the secure element.
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Add to this is the fact that Verizon is not blocking the ISIS app (which Verizon is invested in), which uses both the NFC and the secure element. Previous Verizon excuses is that they don't allow Google Wallet because it uses the secure element.
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Their beef with it still pertains to the SE, but has more to to with the TSM for it than anything if one reads between the lines.
The intriguing thing about Wallet is that, in and of itself, it is a money-losing endeavour for them. Then again, Google's currency is data, and we've been profitable to them in that regard.
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Add to this is the fact that Verizon is not blocking the ISIS app (which Verizon is invested in), which uses both the NFC and the secure element. Previous Verizon excuses is that they don't allow Google Wallet because it uses the secure element.
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It actually does not seem like ISIS uses the secure element build into the phone. Instead it uses a similar secure element build into their sim-cards. But yes I agree that it does seem like a strategical anti competitive decision by Verizon.
Well written letter. Thanks for taking a stand against this crap. If more people would do something rather then sit around complaining (in all aspects of life), the world would be a better place. I've never had Verizon and the more I hear, I am glad about that. I protest with my wallet. It is the reason I'll never own an Apple product.
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Add to this is the fact that Verizon is not blocking the ISIS app (which Verizon is invested in), which uses both the NFC and the secure element. Previous Verizon excuses is that they don't allow Google Wallet because it uses the secure element.
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I actually filed another complaint with the FCC yesterday citing this very fact and uploading both of those letters and asking for an immediate response.
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Bhaha he's trying to pass that Google is blocking Wallet? Semantics, I mean Google is blocking Wallet, but only because Verizon is ordering it. These execs play with semantics, be careful how you word things...
In the meantime we'll root and unlock our phones and use Wallet anyway. I just don't understand why Verizon blocks stuff, from Motorola's My Moto (is that what it was called?) to HTC's Hub and MyHTCSense.com, to tethering natively, to this Wallet thing. Not to mention they have to rape each update so we're reminded who owns us (okay an exaggeration). Unlimited LTE data, that's the only think keeping a lot of us on board.
Here's to OP for being proactive, did any of you complain to the FCC? Neither did I. lol
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you should. it literally takes 5 minutes to file a complaint on their website.
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Did you ask him why he's wasting your time if he's not a technical expert and tell him to put someone who knows what he/she is talking about on the phone?
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HA! I brow beat him a little bit. But ultimately I am just a name that came across his desk. I try not to kill the middle man. I doubt he has any say in what we can do. I would guess the call is merely used to placate the FCC.
Your points are valid but as someone else pointed out, the Verizon guy is technically correct, the best kind of correct!
Google Wallet is made and distributed by Google. It's their IP. They distribute it through the Play Store, which is also theirs to administer. Verizon has no control over anything in the Play Store that they didn't publish, and they didn't publish Google Wallet.
Verizon also does nothing to block transmission of data pertaining to Google Wallet on their network. Nor do they modify the version of android that they distribute to block Google Wallet from functioning. As far as Verizon's interaction with customers is concerned, their hands are clean.
What Google is doing, is listing the Google Wallet on the Play Store such that it is incompatible with "toro" devices. There are legitimate reasons to exclude a device from finding and installing an app on the play store, such as lacking hardware that the app requires.
However, as everyone who has sideloaded the Google Wallet apk and used the app has demonstrated, there are no technical barriers to Google Wallet working on the Verizon Galaxy Nexus. So the question becomes, why is Google acting against their own interest and not distributing their app to Verizon phones?
Anyone can play detective and determine that it's highly suspicious that Google is not building a userbase with Verizon customers while Verizon works on their competing ISIS technology. But the questions to put to a regulatory body should be if Google can justify not distributing this program to toro devices (or whatever other devices might be similarly blocked on the play store) in any way other than an anti-competitive agreement with Verizon.
Just want to share this. It's been tested out west. All phones will eventually be using one. App's like Isis and Google wallet will require it.
I called att and asked about one, just to get wallet working. They confirmed it's needed now.
Any way they are over nighting me one at no charge. Local stores will be getting then. Most stores won't know what it is yet.
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Some things from this information doesn't make sense. How could at&t confirmed something that the company doesn't support(google wallet)? Why would Google limit itself to require an additional secure element sim card? If this were in fact true would means most likely that all current non-sim based(cmda) android smartphones would say bye-bye to Google wallet. Im just guessing when I say maybe google now doesn't work on phones with root as does Isis.
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Some things from this information doesn't make sense. How could at&t confirmed something that the company doesn't support(google wallet)? Why would Google limit itself to require an additional secure element sim card? If this were in fact true would means most likely that all current non-sim based(cmda) android smartphones would say bye-bye to Google wallet. Im just guessing when I say maybe google now doesn't work on phones with root as does Isis.
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No idea, I just called for the heck of it and that's what they said, if it works, who cares if it makes sense or not, by the way, who carries the nexus?
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If your ordering one, here is the item number
41005
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no way jose, i can see this as a requirement for ISIS, but certainly not google wallet or other alternatives.
this is an att rep you were speaking to, after all.
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no way jose, i can see this as a requirement for ISIS, but certainly not google wallet or other alternatives.
this is an att rep you were speaking to, after all.
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I'll let you know tomorrow when I get it, I see why one 49 thanks
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It makes perfect sense...IMHO
Considering the fact that gwallet is recovering from a large number of security loopholes in their platform.
The "secure element" SIM card is a proven answer to secure card data on the device, and it can also be removed and placed into another device in minutes, and set up to work again if the user desires to trade for another compatible device, or if a warranty exchange is needed. But does require the user to provide the right passwords, and answers to security questions before any access to money can be performed.
My SE SIM works perfectly for ISIS here in Utah, and I'm sure it will roll out to other States very soon.
I for one am not happy about the SE SIM not working on a rooted device, but from a security standpoint, I'd rather have my accounts intact than worry about having the latest ROM out.
The balance between security and root will eventually be found, (albeit here on XDA) but for now, don't count on having a rooted phone, and expect to use ISIS or gwallet without the device being locked down. (happened to me last week, and ISIS knew about my root commands within minutes, causing me a whole day worth of unroot and hassle just to get my own money back.
ATT and Google have plenty to worry about when users entrust their personal finances into the care of corporations. And you can bet two things will take place. Restrictive and painful measures to control the security threats, and our paying for those measures.
This opinion is only mine....so please don't flame me for it, and enjoy your devices in any fashion you choose. I for one am greatful that my card # is safe behind that new SE wall, at least for today.
And dafoxs, MANY THANKS for all of your hard work on our behalf. It is much appreciated....g
Just put in for my order.
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I called in asking for that specific item number tied to the sim you ordered. They in turn called the salt lake city att store where they give out the Isis sim cards and the rep at the store advised the rep on the phone that that item number is incorrect and that the Isis sim has a different item number. They went ahead and verified with the rep on the phone and ordered the correct Isis sim with a different item number. Just FYI.
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I called in asking for that specific item number tied to the sim you ordered. They in turn called the salt lake city att store where they give out the Isis sim cards and the rep at the store advised the rep on the phone that that item number is incorrect and that the Isis sim has a different item number. They went ahead and verified with the rep on the phone and ordered the correct Isis sim with a different item number. Just FYI.
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You might be right cause we might end up getting sims for on demand box. Thats what he asked if it was for uverse box. I told them the name and they put the order in for me. We will see.
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You might be right cause we might end up getting sims for on demand box. Thats what he asked if it was for uverse box. I told them the name and they put the order in for me. We will see.
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Did you get the email with the correct number?
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Here you go.
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Here you go.
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I got this number.
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Omg, morons on the phone.
The correct number is
41005
After a heated argument with att, they ordered the right one, won't ship till Monday overnight in my hands Tuesday.
That gem one is the ondemand one, what ever that is
Man am I pissed
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Reading the other wallet post here, it claims the card will lock if it sees you are rooted. Hmmm, what to do.
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You're welcome. Lol.
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You're welcome. Lol.
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You popped my happy bubble, are you sure?
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Omg, morons on the phone.
The correct number is
41005
After a heated argument with att, they ordered the right one, won't ship till Monday overnight in my hands Tuesday.
That gem one is the ondemand one, what ever that is
Man am I pissed
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Just called they switched my order. I will be receiving the 41005 sim card.
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You popped my happy bubble, are you sure?
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I'm 99% sure. We verified with one of the launch city's store.
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I'll let you know tomorrow when I get it, I see why one 49 thanks
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im not sure what your implying with the 49 thanks, i didnt mean to offend. but you cant honestly believe that NFC payments will now be tied entirely to SIM cards, what about the peeps on sprint and verizon? like i said, i can totally see ATT tying it up with ISIS, but certainly not accross all carriers or all models