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Basically, I'm thinking about trading in my Nexus for an HTC Rezound. Don't get me wrong: I freaking love this phone, and have been dying to get it for months. There's nothing wrong with it.
My issue is that I'm a flash-o-holic. Now that the Rezound has an unlocked boot loader, I'm worried that it will have more ROM options.
With the Rezound, I'll eventually be able to run ISC. it can run sense roms. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like with the Rezound I'd be able to flash everything I could with my Nexus PLUS all of the 2.3 and Sense roms, right? and that means more options.
So, I need some clarification:
Can the Nexus run anything other than 4.0 based roms? (like 2.3 based ones)
Can the Nexus potentially run a Sense rom?
With the bigger development community of the Nexus, am I better of staying where I am?
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I don't think the GNex will have developers that will make ROMs based on older versions of Android... I mean why would they? I feel like the dev community of the Galaxy Nexus will be bigger than the Rezound's. This is a Nexus device and Google has amazing support for their Nexus phones. I doubt the Nexus will have a Sense ROM...
There are plenty of ROMs for the Galaxy Nexus right now... it's just that not all of them are on XDA. Check out Rootzwiki for more ROMs! I recommend axi0m 2.1.
Check out my post here:
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/12696-ro...rnel-12262011/page__view__findpost__p__334056
Stick with what you have, this is the best phone for flashing roms. This will have the best support considering the support it has already.
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I had an Incredible before, and was in love with it. GREAT dev community and tons of ROMs and development even to this day. I liked CM7 and MIUI, but I put a huge value on always being able to come back to Sense. One of my concerns with the Rezound is that the development and the development community will die after a couple months and the next bigger, brighter HTC phone comes out.
There's been enough of the Rezound vs Nexus threads and I'm sorry, so I want the focus in this thread to be only on the differences in the development, development communities, and which will have a bigger variety of ROMs...
I honestly feel like the Galaxy Nexus will have more developers because it's a Google phone. It's practically made for developers so I say just stick with this phone. It has the direct support from Google and there is no middle man between software and hardware.
tifford said:
I had an Incredible before, and was in love with it. GREAT dev community and tons of ROMs and development even to this day. I liked CM7 and MIUI, but I put a huge value on always being able to come back to Sense. One of my concerns with the Rezound is that the development and the development community will die after a couple months and the next bigger, brighter HTC phone comes out.
There's been enough of the Rezound vs Nexus threads and I'm sorry. I want the focus if thus thread to be only on the differences in the development, development communities, and which will have a bigger variety of ROMs...
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Someone is trying to port touchwiz to the Nexus for God knows why.. I doubt we will ever have sense but I don't see the reasoning you have offered, OP. Saying that you always have sense to go back to to me sounds like you'll always be able to go back to stock sense if an ICS rom doesn't workout or something along those lines.. I know having sense means more options, but anything 2.3 will always be inferior to 4.0 in my eyes.
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Not sure why you'd strive to flash 2.3 Sense ROMs on any phone if something newer was available.
You do realize that once HTC starts releasing Sense ICS ROMs, the devs will stop working on the 2.3 ROMs, right?
Just remember, development for a Nexus will always be solid.
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There are plenty of ROMs for the Galaxy Nexus right now... it's just that not all of them are on XDA. Check out Rootzwiki for more ROMs! I recommend axi0m 2.1.
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I'm on axi0m 2.1 right now... its awesome with tons of options.
there are tons of roms out there for the nexus already, but they're all basically the same. Yes, AOSP vs CM9 has its differences, but they're different hues of the same color. I want colors, dammit! and I'm sure it'll get there...
I guess I'm just worried that it'll always be ICS with some slight twists, instead of 2.3 AOSP vs cm7 vs miui vs sense vs ice, etc. I like the idea of having all of those options
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i guess I just got used to switching up roms every couple weeks or so with my incredible. I'd run a sense rom for a couple weeks, get bored with it, switch to cm7 for a couple weeks, switch to miui, etc.
I don't like the idea of finding one rom, and sticking with it forever, even if all others are "inferior." I like to mix it up.
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I believe Vicious is working on MIUI for the GNex.
even though the Rezound realistically is the only competition for the Nexus, there:s just the whole "S-OFF" issue. last i heard, they're still trying to acheive that thus no roms yet.
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i guess I just got used to switching up roms every couple weeks or so with my incredible. I'd run a sense rom for a couple weeks, get bored with it, switch to cm7 for a couple weeks, switch to miui, etc.
I don't like the idea of finding one rom, and sticking with it forever, even if all others are "inferior." I like to mix it up.
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Remember that the Galaxy Nexus (specifically the VZW version) hasn't exactly been out long enough for there to be 100's of ROMs. Not to mention that it's the first and only ICS device right now.
ALL Recent HTC Phones now are unlockable courtsey of HTC themselves
Not exactly sure what S-Off is but all recent HTC phones are capabable of an unlockable bootloader thanks to HTC themselves. This includes the Rezound. HTCdev.com
http://www.htcdev.com
http://phandroid.com/2011/12/28/htc-makes-all-handsets-released-since-september-2011-unlockable/
http://androidandme.com/2011/12/news/htc-super-tool-unlocks-bootloader-roots-most-devices/
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Not exactly sure what S-Off is but all recent HTC phones are capabable of an unlockable bootloader thanks to HTC themselves. This includes the Rezound. HTCdev.com
http://www.htcdev.com
http://phandroid.com/2011/12/28/htc-makes-all-handsets-released-since-september-2011-unlockable/
http://androidandme.com/2011/12/news/htc-super-tool-unlocks-bootloader-roots-most-devices/
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They still need s off to be able to fully do everything, all that's doing right now is unlocking part of boot loader but from what I hear they still can't flash custom recoverys. Anyhow I love my G Nex and I came from a Rezound I don't even think about going back at all.
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If Sense means that much to you, maybe you should go with the Rezound (plus it has an amazing screen). Just remember that you won't have access to an optimal ICS build for a while. Sense is cool and all, but ICS is a huge step forward for the android OS.
Plus, the GN will be first in line for all software updates, which will keep its dev community on the bleeding edge. Also, as others have pointed out, dev support will be much stronger (and probably longer lasting) for the Galaxy Nexus.
The Nexus is a dev device... doesn't get more from friendly than this.
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Going from ICS 4.x back to anything 2.3.x is like wiping before you poop....pointless!
Nexus has several advantages.
1) bigger screen, hopefully devs will be able to utilize the full screen for all apps
2) virtual keys
therefore even with both having ICS, it won't be exactly the same. (rest of the hardware is debatable as both have pluses and minus - like screen tech/sd card/etc)
Besides, nexus is likely far more popular so the number of devs attracted to this device will likely be much higher.
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Not exactly sure what S-Off is but all recent HTC phones are capabable of an unlockable bootloader thanks to HTC themselves. This includes the Rezound. HTCdev.com
http://www.htcdev.com
http://phandroid.com/2011/12/28/htc-makes-all-handsets-released-since-september-2011-unlockable/
http://androidandme.com/2011/12/news/htc-super-tool-unlocks-bootloader-roots-most-devices/
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sure the manufacturer offers the 'unlock' ability, but the carrier has the final say. both the rezound & the droid razr have the ability to be unlocked, but verizon wont let it happen. so with the rezound, since the devs cant get htc to permit the unlock(again, thank you verizon) they've just been attempting a work around now since the phone's been out and to this day are still struggling with it. so no roms/kernals/etc yet.. just a b.s. "temp root".
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sure the manufacturer offers the 'unlock' ability, but the carrier has the final say. both the rezound & the droid razr have the ability to be unlocked, but verizon wont let it happen. so with the rezound, since the devs cant get htc to permit the unlock(again, thank you verizon) they've just been attempting a work around now since the phone's been out and to this day are still struggling with it. so no roms/kernals/etc yet.. just a b.s. "temp root".
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Dude.. the Rezound's bootloader has been unlocked, even on Verizon. They're S-ON but with an unlocked bootloader.
I'm on Verzion, currently using a Droid X (rooted, stock firmware). My contract is up in April, and I'm looking at two or three other phones, but the GNex is currently the frontrunner. I plan on keeping the phone for two years minimum; I tend to be a bit rough with my phones, so build quality is something I'm thinking about; I plan on rooting.
So, my questions:
What is the rooting situation with the Verizon GNex? I'm a Linux user, so a Linux rooting tool would be great, but I have access to Windows machines if I need them.
How's the stock firmware? I believe that the Verizon GNex models all come with mysid and are AOSP builds managed by Google, is that correct?
Yes you should buy this magnificent phone. It really is the best thing I have ever owned (going from Desire, SGS2 then GN). Android 4.0 is fantastically clean and really nice!
1. Super easy, since google basically want you to root it (developer phone and all). Check out the guides!
2. OTA is so good I have not felt the need to use any new launcher or rom to replace it. Smooth and everything.
Rooting is crazy easy and the phone is aosp as stock being its a pure Google android phone. Also the quality isn't terrible I have my in a case and it feels very sturdy.
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Hey guys I have a question for you users of the GN... have any of you went from a RAZR to it? How does everything work? I know it has ICS and I am dying to get it on my RAZR, but I was just wondering if you guys can help me decide on which phone to either keep or if i should get the GN?
I own both, I prefer the gnex, much much better development support, and IMO more fun to use.
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can you elaborate? I'm an android noob (iPhone convert) and never have rooted, etc on my android phones...
The GNex is much more hacker friendly which allows you to work with the OS of the phone. Motorola has a reputation of locking their phones down like fort knox so you cant mess with the internals.
So what are some good things about like rooting and roms? Like I said.. NOOB
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Droid Razr = LAG LAG LAG!
GNexus = 0 Lag, Super smooth and very snappy
There are soooo many comparisons of these two phones on the internets.
What's the best things about rooting?
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matesims23 said:
What's the best things about rooting?
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Google search the benefits of rooting.
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matesims23 said:
What's the best things about rooting?
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having "administrator" access to the phone ...
flashing custom roms with more software development and features
root apps such as LBE privacy guard (must have for me)
fun
doing anything you want with the phone, you are only limited by your knowledge or lack there of
One way to look at it is when Google builds Android they build it for the Nexus models. Then they release the code, the other manufactures then modify the code to work with their hardware.
Now since you are on the Verizon version they modify google's code for their network so you would not have the 100% pure code, only about 98%. It would be purer than Motorola's build.
Also the Razor is a closed platform hardware wise. This is a really good video about the Razor. http://www.xda-developers.com/android/droid-razr-unboxed-the-xda-way-xda-tv/
I think I'm gonna try the nexus
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can you elaborate? I'm an android noob (iPhone convert) and never have rooted, etc on my android phones...
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Rooting (completely different from jail-breaking), allows the user to run super user commands on their cell phone. Super user commands and apps generally have much more access to system files, allowing for overclocking (if the kernel supports it), free wifi tethering, and so on. Unlocking the bootloader allows for flashing custom ROMs on the device. Flashing can be done on a locked device, but no kernels (hence no overclocking) can be flashed. This also causes custom ROMs without their own kernel to generally be less stable than those for an unlocked bootloader device. Rooting is necessary for any Android power user, though a bootloader unlock may not always be necessary. Custom kernels often provide massive boosts to performance and add new features, so it is strongly recommended.
Thanks that helps a ton!!! That's the answer I was needing
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What's the best things about rooting?
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Rooting gives you admin access to your phone so you can do whatever you want. We'd never buy a computer without admin access, should be same on a phone.
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Rooting gives you admin access to your phone so you can do whatever you want. We'd never buy a computer without admin access, should be same on a phone.
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I understand now ... been doing a ton of reading about roms and such
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I have both as of this minute and I will sell one of them soon. I prefer the gnex but damn does it poor signal compared to my razor.
I don't even have service on my gnex in areas that I have 2 bars on my razor.
I just flashed leaked radios on my gnex and it didn't help. I only use 3g as no 4g at home yet.
I will prob keep the gnex though and hope for a signal fix cause the gnex is faster and just a nicer phone IMO.
...radios? your on the verizon nexus right? arent the leaked radios just for the sprint phones?
The Nexus line is Google's own idea of what an Android device should be; they are the ONLY handsets that are supported directly by Google. Consequently, Nexus phones have an Apple-like software support cycle (say what you want about Apple, the 3GS got iOS 5 before my Droid Charge even got Gingerbread) and huge dev support. Keep in mind that a Nexus phone is never designed to push the bleeding edge; it may have some neat new features, but they're never designed to be powerhouses (some say the N1 was, but IMO it was just in the right place at the right time). A Nexus device is the bone stock Android experience, an exemplar to the rest of the manufacturers on just what an Android device should be.
To summarize:
1.) The absolute best official software support you can get in the Android world, and among the best 3rd party dev support. While some devices released this year will be lucky to get ICS and/or Jelly Bean, you can pretty much rest assured that the GNex will go well into Key Lime Pie officially.
2.) Internal hardware chosen for STABILITY and EFFICIENCY, rather than bleeding edge, untested (and usually buggy) performance. That said, while it isn't cutting edge, the GNex has very solid hardware, and performance is always snappy and smooth.
3.) Usually has some neat perks that most other phones don't have. In the Gnex's case, it's the BEAUTIFUL 720p AMOLED+ display, NFC support, the ultra-fast camera, and of course Ice Cream Sandwich.
After using a plethora of other non-Nexus Android devices, I got absolutely fed up with the apathy that the manufacturers and carriers have toward updating their handsets. The last straw was, as I mentioned, my Droid Charge. Even though Verizon considered it the flagship 4G LTE phone well into last September, it was released with an out-of-date OS to begin with (Froyo; GB had been out for well over half a year already). It didn't get GB until after it had been replaced as a flagship phone, and then was (and remains) ineligible for an update to ICS even though ICS was released only six months after the Charge was released! What the hell is that!?
Never again. Nexus or bust. Trust me, you'll be happy with the GNex.
This helps me a ton.. trying to trade now
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I currently have a HTC Incredible 2, and my contract is almost up, and so I was thinking of getting the Galaxy Nexus for Verizon.
Anyways have some questions about it.
1) Since the Verizon version is currently only running 4.0.2 and not the latest version, I was wondering if the unlocked version official 4.0.4 ROM will work on the Verizon one? If not would it be easy for a developer to just port the official ROM to it, so it will the Verizon Nexus will run exactly as it should(the unlocked Nexus) without bugs?
2) Does ICS have a T9 dialer built in? With my HTC Incredible 2 I can just dial someone I want by typing in the first letters of there names with the dialer.
3) Will we except to get a delay just like the Nexus S 4G had, for when we get Jellybean(when the next Nexus comes out). And will it run slow just like since Nexus S runs ICS pretty horribly right now.
1. i believe verizon does have 4.0.4 updates out, if not you can flash the official update manually.
2. yes it has T9 dialer included.
3. We should be the one of the first phones to get Jellybean.
So if it does have the 4.0.4 updates out, then why do people still complain that it doesn't?
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I currently have a HTC Incredible 2, and my contract is almost up, and so I was thinking of getting the Galaxy Nexus for Verizon.
Anyways have some questions about it.
1) Since the Verizon version is currently only running 4.0.2 and not the latest version, I was wondering if the unlocked version official 4.0.4 ROM will work on the Verizon one? If not would it be easy for a developer to just port the official ROM to it, so it will the Verizon Nexus will run exactly as it should(the unlocked Nexus) without bugs?
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No, ROMS are not compatible from CDMA to GSM versions and vice versa. It will severely mess up your device.
There are leaked 4.0.4 builds for the CDMA model, but again they're not official, just leaks. That's why people are complaining.
2) Does ICS have a T9 dialer built in? With my HTC Incredible 2 I can just dial someone I want by typing in the first letters of there names with the dialer.
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There are 3rd party replacement dialers. The stock dialer doesn't do this, and is a highly requested feature from Sense (which you have).
3) Will we except to get a delay just like the Nexus S 4G had, for when we get Jellybean(when the next Nexus comes out). And will it run slow just like since Nexus S runs ICS pretty horribly right now.
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Well the current situation shows that the CDMA model will get updates a bit slower than the GSM model. This is just going to happen since Verizon has to do their own testing and add their own network stack to what Google approves and moves out. It won't be a HUGE delay, but it'll be there. Think of it this way: Google isn't going to hold back a GSM update if the CDMA one isn't ready to go. When one's done, they'll release it.
Now remember, CDMA and GSM models don't need the same fixes/changes. As we noted above, the ROMs are not compatible. They are different devices when it comes to network connections (obviously). Fixes for one are not fixes for the other. Just because one gets 4.0.4 doesn't mean the other will. It may get 4.0.5 or .6, then GSM will get 4.1 and CDMA will get 4.1.1, etc...
As far as Jellybean goes, who knows? No one knows what the requirements will be or how long it'll take to get onto the GNex. It'll be slower, no doubt, but one of the reasons ICS is "slow" on the Nexus S is that Gingerbread to ICS was a HUGE jump. We don't know how big that jump will be to Jellybean.
About the leaks would you say they run just as well as the official 4.0.4 that is out on the unlocked Galaxy Nexus phones?
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About the leaks would you say they run just as well as the official 4.0.4 that is out on the unlocked Galaxy Nexus phones?
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I dunno I don't have a Verizon device (so glad for many reasons) so you'd have to ask them. It is a leak and not official, and it was leaked quite a bit ago, so its far from prime time ready.
Some other stuff I wanted to ask are the 4.0.4 ROMs for this device stable just like the official ROM is? Like AOKP or CyanongeMod 9 will they run stable on the Verizon Galaxy Nexus so we can get 4.0.4?
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Some other stuff I wanted to ask are the 4.0.4 ROMs for this device stable just like the official ROM is? Like AOKP or CyanongeMod 9 will they run stable on the Verizon Galaxy Nexus so we can get 4.0.4?
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It will never be as stable as stock 4.0.4 when it OTAs. As I said they're integrating a leaked build and also commits from the GSM 4.0.4 update. Its a Frankenstein type of deal. There will undoubtedly be bugs.
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It will never be as stable as stock 4.0.4 when it OTAs. As I said they're integrating a leaked build and also commits from the GSM 4.0.4 update. Its a Frankenstein type of deal. There will undoubtedly be bugs.
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Well the main reason I want a Galaxy Nexus for is to not even put in custom ROMS. Cause sorry to say but lots of times they are just really buggy and non stable compared to the OTA updates. They could be better such as having a newer version of Android in it but also buggy as well. I just want something that works, and that's why I decided to get the Nexus.
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Well the main reason I want a Galaxy Nexus for is to not even put in custom ROMS. Cause sorry to say but lots of times they are just really buggy and non stable compared to the OTA updates. They could be better such as having a newer version of Android in it but also buggy as well. I just want something that works, and that's why I decided to get the Nexus.
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Yeah but custom roms on a nexus are a little different than custom roms on other devices cause the full code is available. Not true with other devices. Nothing is hidden so no hacks are needed to get things to work. Custom roms can be coded as good as stock rom if the devs want.
Did some research and found out that Verizon controls the Galaxy Nexus updates and not Google. But why does Apple control the Verizon's iPhone updates, and not Verizon? Couldn't Google do the same?
Because Verizon bends over for Apple.
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Did some research and found out that Verizon controls the Galaxy Nexus updates and not Google. But why does Apple control the Verizon's iPhone updates, and not Verizon? Couldn't Google do the same?
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You would think so. But Google just bent over to get Verizon to play ball. Corp bull**** at its finest. Apple just has the balls to say my way or go screw yourself. Sigh...
Would you say that it would be a smart choice to get the Galaxy Nexus in August? Because I am either going to get that phone, or maybe I should wait to see what the iPhone 5 is?
I have loved everything about this tablet and is a worthy successor of my nexus 7, but since the Pixel C is technically not a "nexus" line, will Google still let us unlock the bootloader and root? I'm really hoping so because this thing has so much potential. I wanted to love the nexus 9, but the price was absolutely absurd with nothing really new to bring the table except lollipop.
Thoughts?
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Yes! Pixel C has to be up to date tablet so google has to provide ability to flash firmware images when they arrive. And Fastboot provides and easy way of flashing firmware onto a device as it requires almost no setup on linux (a fastboot binary is needed). Nexus player is an android device but still has its images online.
It could just be the first Non-Nexus device to have images hosted.
I think the only difference between the pixle and nexus is that the nexus is always built by another oem where as pixle is made house. I expect this to be like a nexus in every possible way
My prediction is this:
1. Yes the bootloader will be unlockable
2. Yes there will be factory images available
3. It is possible that the stock ROM will be a proprietary version of Android M 6.0, (hopefully not) being closed sourced.
4. The Pixel C will only be available to US residents, and difficult to obtain from outside the U.S.
I'm only speculating on this based off of previous Pixel releases, not trying to be negative. I really hope Google loosen up on this device because there really is no other tablet that I've been interested in since the Nexus 7. I really wish Google would give us some more information, at the very least about availability by country.
Edit: Well, looks like I was wrong. Good wrong though, I'm quite happy they're treating this device like a Nexus. On a whim I bought a N9 for $200 off on Black Friday. I have no regrets though, as the N9 fits my needs to a tee and I'm quite happy with it.
I'd love to be able to dual boot this with Debian.
"PK: Yes, the Pixel C will be supported on AOSP just like other Nexus devices. The bootloader can be unlocked to enable booting an alternate OS. Pixel C does not support Chromebook style recovery via USB. The firmware is open source. It is Coreboot. DisplayPort support over Type C is being worked on but we don't have a release date yet."
And the answer is...
Yes!
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3w3x7p/hi_im_andrew_here_at_google_and_im_with_the_team/
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as mentioned in another thread the pixel c uses the new unlock command, fastboot flashing unlock, introduced with the 6p.
I hope the aosp sources will be avaliable soon.
They are here!
https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images#ryu
https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/drivers#dragon