Hi, I know we all want the Jelly Bean, but I think with the Snapdragon S4 Pro quad core ICS is good enugh . I have a Galaxy Nexus with 4.1.2 and a Galaxy s3 At&t with ICS. GS3 with Snapdragon S4 dual core very fast and I installed CM10 jelly bean 4.1.2 on the GS3 and its the same speed. So the Jelly Bean was good for Galaxy Nexus, because it mad it faster and smoother the outdated dual core.
So for this phone the ICS is super fast.
The only thing we need is boot loader unlocked and its going to rain with the beautiful ROMs from our hardworking DEV's .
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Agree. I haven't had any slowdown whatsoever, and I'm using Eco Mode for the significantly better battery life. Still no lag.
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I disagree.
Google now is preferable, and no one is going to seriously want to have a phone that is stuck on 4.0 for 2 years until an upgrade.
Even if it gets Jellybean in December and then another upgrade 6 months from then it's still another 16 months without an upgrade and no updates would be a lot of ticked off users.
I say keep bugging LG for an unlocked bootloader, and keep paying attention to how close the devs are to getting done .
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I disagree.
Google now is preferable, and no one is going to seriously want to have a phone that is stuck on 4.0 for 2 years until an upgrade.
Even if it gets Jellybean in December and then another upgrade 6 months from then it's still another 16 months without an upgrade and no updates would be a lot of ticked off users.
I say keep bugging LG for an unlocked bootloader, and keep paying attention to how close the devs are to getting done .
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Google Now is nice , but I personally don't like to talk to my phone. I can do the same with my fingers. I think its stupid to talk to the phone. Its still not there.
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Google Now is nice , but I personally don't like to talk to my phone. I can do the same with my fingers. I think its stupid to talk to the phone. Its still not there.
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The voice search part of Google Now is ONLY a small part of the service. Google Now is extremely convenient and provides very helpful info without having to do anything.
Yeah, but on every JB device I have, Google Now chews up a lot of battery. So I typically keep it turned off.
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Most phones will be behind anyway. Only a hand full of phones have jelly been. I want it as much as the next guy but most people that have android phones don't even know about jb. I work with two guys that have android phones and never herd of ice or jb. I had to tell them about it. They just go and get what they like and never worry about it. If it comes great if not then so be it. Im sure it will come sooner then we think especially if we don't think about it and just enjoy a really good phone. There is always the LG nexus if it's really that important.
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I for one like the expandable notifications in JB. If LG wants to really set themselves apart they will be quick with the updates.
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If we add how much more stuff LG's UI has comparing to pure JB.
When I agreed that ICS is "good enough," I mostly meant in the performance arena. I definitely want Google Now and the new JB features, but Project Butter was a big selling point for JB and this Optimus simply doesn't have any lag even with ICS. I'm really liking it.
Now, on to custom development...
I have 3 devices w/jb, and in my opinion it really isn't that big of a deal. Now is kind of neat, but uses a lot of battery (on all my devices anyway), and the interface speed improvements are OK.
To be honest, though, the interface on this OG feels faster and smoother than any of my jb devices.
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Google Now is nice , but I personally don't like to talk to my phone. I can do the same with my fingers. I think its stupid to talk to the phone. Its still not there.
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That's fine but, when "banana split" comes out or "licorice" or some other sweet android version comes out with a feature that you can't get despite wanting, don't pretend you will still be happy with your phone then.
You don't compare the ability to receive updates to what's out, you have to consider the future and unaccounted for variables.
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Most phones will be behind anyway. Only a hand full of phones have jelly been. I want it as much as the next guy but most people that have android phones don't even know about jb. I work with two guys that have android phones and never herd of ice or jb. I had to tell them about it. They just go and get what they like and never worry about it. If it comes great if not then so be it. Im sure it will come sooner then we think especially if we don't think about it and just enjoy a really good phone. There is always the LG nexus if it's really that important.
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My 2 year old captivate is sitting on Jellybean right now. I don't care what "average Joe" knows about. I care about the future.
I'm not saying people shouldn't be happy with ICS for now but, I am saying to sit around and say "good enough" is setting yourself up to be in a nasty position when a new version of android rolls out that you can't get. If I had this phone I most certainly wouldn't be in any major rush for Jellybean and I'll be the first to admit it..
The problem is this entire thread reads as though people will be happy with this phone even if it sticks to ICS all the way until it's time for a new phone.. and given that this is a site dedicated to users who want the newest version when possible, that just seems like the wrong impression to give.
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When I agreed that ICS is "good enough," I mostly meant in the performance arena. I definitely want Google Now and the new JB features, but Project Butter was a big selling point for JB and this Optimus simply doesn't have any lag even with ICS. I'm really liking it.
Now, on to custom development...
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I would probably agree with you that the performance is "good enough." It doesn't need and probably won't benefit from project butter a whole lot. At best it will see severely diminishing returns compared to some of the older hardware out there. However, performance is only one aspect of a newer android version.
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I have 3 devices w/jb, and in my opinion it really isn't that big of a deal. Now is kind of neat, but uses a lot of battery (on all my devices anyway), and the interface speed improvements are OK.
To be honest, though, the interface on this OG feels faster and smoother than any of my jb devices.
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My ancient captivate runs far smoother on JB than it ever dreamed of running on ICS.
Project butter isn't really designed to help a quadcore monster move faster it's designed to help hardware on the weaker side get better performance.
With that said, I feel like a lot of people miss the part where if this phone were to stay on ICS it could miss the next "big thing." Just imagine all the people who didn't care about upgrading to 2.3 from 2.2 because it wasn't a "big deal."
Then 4.0 comes out and a lot of apps won't run on the older 2.2 version. No chrome, no Nova launcher, no a bunch of stuff.
I'm not saying that for the time being ICS isn't "good enough." But, I do think it's important to examine what you'll be missing in the future if this thing doesn't get unlocked.
I agree that I want updates for this phone - and preferably from the community, not just the vendor. So I'm glad there are people working the bootloader issue.
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Only reason I didn't buy this phone is no JB. So no, ICS not good enough
Is there any way to add Google Now to ICS? Or does that require access we don't yet have?
I agree this is the fastest and smoothest phone to date.
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Is there any way to add Google Now to ICS? Or does that require access we don't yet have?
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yes, there is. I'm not exactly sure of the details as I just installed JB when it became available for my phone.
just wondering if anyone played netfix or hbogo video on this phone, do you notice any delays at all?
I just tried "Lost" on Netflix. Zero lag and loads instantly in HD over LTE.
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No not the screen but the fact it is pure Android. Boy do I hate manufacturer or networks OS glossy coatings or add-ons, I have yet to meet one I actually liked. At least on the Arc they are fairly light weight. The one thing I admire in iOS is that Apple don't let any of the networks muck around with their software, if only Google was the same.
The other thing related to this I like is the rapid update cycle, none of this lets wait around while we add on all our OS add-ons nonsense.
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No not the screen but the fact it is pure Android. Boy do I hate manufacturer or networks OS glossy coatings or add-ons, I have yet to meet one I actually liked. At least on the Arc they are fairly light weight. The one thing I admire in iOS is that Apple don't let any of the networks muck around with their software, if only Google was the same.
The other thing related to this I like is the rapid update cycle, none of this lets wait around while we add on all our OS add-ons nonsense.
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thats pretty much the only reason anyone gets a Nexus
Well apple has its own muck. Served the way they want to serve it to you. But yeah, the nexus line of phones are not the latest and greatest in specs and i cant figure out why some people think it is. The big catch all with google phones is pure android and the developer support it gets. Google gives a great base foundation to build on software wise and that im sure is a big reason so many developers flock to it. The latest phone still has some question marks on it but they will be answered. Bigtime.
I voided my warranty and your mum.
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thats pretty much the only reason anyone gets a Nexus
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The only reason I dumped the Nexus One was because of its reception problems, OS wise it was probably, aside from my Arc, the best Android device I have used. I bet in real life use the Nexus will feel quicker than the GS2, not because of its hardware but because it isn't bogged down with the ever lovely Touchwiz!
I got a SE Xperia X8 (big piece of crap, has kinda good (unofficial; damn SE) support; Nothing to do with current smartphones, even the ones of equal tier) and I really need an upgrade. I got mine just like... 6 months ago, less than that, maybe, but I already feel it being weak and crappy.
Anyway, I got a friend who has the NS (Nexus S) and it runs like a BEAST! It probably can stand up to the Samsung GSII. That's why I want a Nexus. It might not have state-of-the-art hardware, but it's surely WAY better than mine and it's a Nexus. The Nexus line has a huge back end, lots and lots of developers, not to talk about direct Google support and CyanogenMod versions. Most devices' CyanogenMod builds are ports of the Google Phones.
The problem to me getting it is the fact that I got mine sort of recently and the price. I might have to wait for a price cut, or not.
I think ICS looks really really really damn sexy. I like the enchanting blue-ish theme of it. If people get it from the release, there isn't going to be much to it. Just a new OS with a few bugs. It's like getting a Beta phone. But those bugs will be corrected in a matter of a couple of weeks, I strongly believe. It's still a great update.
It will take a while to see good developing for the GN (1, 2 months... maybe more), I guess. It's a matter of seeing what is going to happen. I kinda see the ICS as a re-vamp of all the previous versions, with some really cool features of course. I say it's a great advancement.
precisely. i will say, when the nexus one came out it leapfrogged pretty much everything out there. it seems to me people keep wanting another nexus one type of one up when it comes to specs, but in reality the fact that it's google's baby offsets a fair number of spec sheet "shortcomings".
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Let's see. Gorgeous screen (FU everyone crying about PenTile), ICS, no external buttons, guaranteed timely updates, a developer's dream, it's a winner all over.
I don't care if it's not the beefiest phone, spec-wise. It's fully unlocked and built for ICS. Any phones that get ICS later will still have to deal with having softkeys that don't need to be there any more.
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Let's see. Gorgeous screen (FU everyone crying about PenTile), ICS, no external buttons, guaranteed timely updates, a developer's dream, it's a winner all over.
I don't care if it's not the beefiest phone, spec-wise. It's fully unlocked and built for ICS. Any phones that get ICS later will still have to deal with having softkeys that don't need to be there any more.
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Unless I misunderstood the concept, you still have the volume rocket and the Power Button (virtually 3 buttons)
Yup, timely updates are the reason I am going with the galaxy nexus, i love quick updates and hate oem customisations.
Also the hardware is nice.
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Unless I misunderstood the concept, you still have the volume rocket and the Power Button (virtually 3 buttons)
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He meant no buttons directly tied to the os. The nokia n9 has power and volume rocker buttons still but no other buttons attached directly to os functions.
I voided my warranty and your mum.
same reason here...
1st to have the updates... coming from a ****ty LG...
pure android. no bugs...
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same reason here...
1st to have the updates... coming from a ****ty LG...
pure android. no bugs...
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no bugs? you spray raid on your phone. try again. i'm sure we'll run across some critters and hopefully google and cyanogen will address them quickly.
Simple, stock Android UI. Likely to have Cyanogen. Pentaband radios.
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veyka said:
Yup, timely updates are the reason I am going with the galaxy nexus, i love quick updates and hate oem customisations.
Also the hardware is nice.
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The Nexus One had was a veritable torrent of updates compared to other Android devices I have had. Also there didn't seem much delay in updates in geographical sense, in that didn't seem to matter that I was in the UK rather than the US.
=> USB Host feature to connect an external USB DAC, an external USB hard drive ...
and the large screen: easier to read
I will change from the SGS II to the NG because of this reasons.
-Pure Android (a SGS II stock ROM is mostly around 300 MB CyanogenMOD is 100 MB)
-better development base
-updates
-screen
-curved screen (I miss my Nexus S while doing a call the SGS II is so flat...)
Especially the pure part is important so devs don't have to fix the stupid **** from the manufacturers like a lagging browser when you deodex a SGS II stock ROM...
same reason here, to have the updates... coming from a ****ty LG...never, never again...
pure android... can't wait
Stock ICS & new hardware. I'd really like an external SD & 8MP, but hey, I'm ready to upgrade from my dInc.
My reason is that crazy sexy screen, and the development base here on xda. I know if there are any problems our great developers here will fix them and make this phone smoother than Google and Samsung could ever imagine.
Side note, so this CPU Max clock is 1.8, correct? Can't wait to have it running on that.
(Btw I buy extra battery's and switch throughout the day as they die. Why have a crazy phone if your going to be worried about battery life? Just put up some more $$ and have more fun with your phone...IMHO)
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I thought you can get pure android on any phone thanks to XDA and that includes rapid updates. I usually go by the looks and the hardware, rather than the software, which I will replace anyway.
hey gusy i have the opportunity to change my 2months old galaxy nexus against a brand new htc one s without paying something.
would you change it or would you keep your gnex ?
The only thing that will pry this phone out of my hands will be the next nexus.
Unlockable bootloader, updates from Google, latest software, great developer community, no bloat, first to get new features...
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Me personally I wouldn't switch. Maybe a one x, but not one s. Honestly I like my nexus enough where I wouldn't change regardless.
The One S is a mid-tier phone, why would you want to do that?
i had a sensation xe before i bought the gnex and know i really miss sense, so there are few advantages of the one s, like the new processor, it's thinner and so on ..
as is sad before i love sense and therefore i considered changing my gnex
Trade for the one s and sell it and then buy a new gnex
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Check out this side by side comparison. I had the same dilema too but a pure google experience is reallllllllllllllllly important to me (my current phone is a Nexus S).
My hubby has the SGSii-TMobile and HATES it. He hates the bloatware on the phone. I don't have that problem. He is still waiting for his ICS update. I don't have that problem. I know you said you miss sense but is sense enough to give up a pure google experience? In my opinion... it wasn't. I can't wait to get my gnex, I ordered it today!
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a pure google experience is reallllllllllllllllly important to me
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This. I don't care if the hardware is better (speaking about phones generally here), if it can't run an AOSP based ROM with full functionality out of the box, then I won't buy it.
Edit: is your husband's t-mo SGSII an I9100, or other? CM9 is very complete at this point for the I9100.
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... is your husband's t-mo SGSII an I9100, or other?
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His SGsii is the T989 model. We'll check out CM9. When we rooted his phone it wasn't ready for everyday use yet. We'll try it again and thanks for the heads up.
other opinions ?
everyone says that the pure google feeling is important but i am sure that there will be enough custom roms for the one s like cm9 or just ice cream sandwich without sense ..
that shouldn't be the problem
I am trying to figure out if I should go for Nexus at $400 bucks or One S
"Vanilla is great"....well is just crap, I haven't been using vanilla android for like 5 years now......ANYTHING thats not vanilla android is better, be it CM9, AOKP, Touchwiz, or Sense.
I hate the fact that HTC used another pentile SAMOLED in One S, but in all reviews I read people say its a really good and well calibrated screen (I heard different about Nexus though, would like anyone to comment on this). Obviously design and built quality goes to One S, camera is also better, Sense 4 is a big improvement and without even using it I am pretty sure its great and is based on ICS. CPU without any questions is better, more power efficient, and faster. Then there is BeatAudio (whatever that means) and Bluetooth 4.0, and GPS I think supports GLONASS
My biggest concern about One S is the screen and development.....(not Google updates, those are crap as well until the new OS is out and even then thanks to XDA it can come to other devices even faster then Nexus-brand )
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hey gusy i have the opportunity to change my 2months old galaxy nexus against a brand new htc one s without paying something.
would you change it or would you keep your gnex ?
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HTC seems to be on the downslope, and Samsung is really taking the lead. I think sense has seems it's best days.
GNex All Day
Personally, I have no real desire to switch. That said, the One S/One X do both look like nicer pieces of hardware than the GNex. While many will rightly point to quick updates and an excellent developer community for the GNex, I have no doubt that the One S/One X will have solid communities as well. HTC's commitment to providing bootloader unlock tools further cements that.
going to check out both devices tomorrow. they will be the same price for me, One S easier to get and exchange if something will be wrong.....
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other opinions ?
everyone says that the pure google feeling is important but i am sure that there will be enough custom roms for the one s like cm9 or just ice cream sandwich without sense ..
that shouldn't be the problem
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Don't be so sure. As far as I know the HTC Rezound still doesn't have a fully functioning AOSP ICS Rom, so that should give you some indication of the wait on these devices. If you're willing to wait for the updates, then go for it.
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Saw One S today.....great phone, haven't noticed any pixelation on zoomed it text in browser, very slim, and probably the 1st phone to have a design and built quality like or even better then Nexus One
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"Vanilla is great"....well is just crap, I haven't been using vanilla android for like 5 years now......ANYTHING thats not vanilla android is better, be it CM9, AOKP
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Those two are technically still vanilla android.
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^ perhaps, but I would rather even use Sense then Stock Android ......especially Sense 4
now I am on CM7.2, used Sense 3 for a while too.....and Touchwiz
the only reason I disliked Sense 3 is the stupid launcher and if u use other launcher then all widgets become useless as well
With SGN u have better updates. Both have the same power and GN dont have any vodafone, orange, ... influence. And better development support
Im writing this post cause i havent 10. Im new in this forum but not in development Knowledge, and i consider its a stupid rule. Im sorry if i write any Irrelevant post.
Checked out Nexus today....and frankly speaking One S is a better over all phone. Its much thinner, you dont even feel it in pocket, its much better made due to AL body, they have the same 4.3'' usable screen too.
now the screen on Nexus phones i checked out in Verizon, one had burn-in, and 2nd one was a bit off white compared to One S. The 720p resolution is there, but colors on One S seemed better. I also haven't really noticed anything different when watching Youtube or viewing web.
So in the end it all comes out to development and ROM, do you want CM9 or AOKP on Nexus or Sense 4 on One S (maybe later it will get those 2 ROMs as well)
Hello All,
First of all allow me to apologise if this is in the incorrect thread, or has been asked before, however this question is time and date relevant.
My contract is up tomorrow (20/06/2012), and i have wanted the Galaxy nexus since it was released. However I am just looking around at phones in the UK, and am torn between the HTC One X and the GNexus.
What are peoples thoughts about the GNexus so far?
Is it still worth taking out a contract on it? (18 months).
I am not super bothered about the quad core, but I need the phone to last, my currect phone (X10 Mini Pro) lasted about 6 Months of the 24 before it became nearly unusable, and I couldn't afford to buy a new one, until now.
Thank you all in advanced,
Technicalevolution.
The Gnex will last you 18 months no problem, and it will have far superior dev support. I had the One X and it is a great phone, but it takes a lot to get it working the way i like. To get AOSP you still have to sacrifice some functionality and stability. The GNex will be first to updates, and more stable running modified firmware. The display is better on the One X, as is all the hardware really. That said, i still prefer the Nexus. I probably won't buy another non-nexus device.
just my .02$
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The Gnex will last you 18 months no problem, and it will have far superior dev support. I had the One X and it is a great phone, but it takes a lot to get it working the way i like. To get AOSP you still have to sacrifice some functionality and stability. The GNex will be first to updates, and more stable running modified firmware. The display is better on the One X, as is all the hardware really. That said, i still prefer the Nexus. I probably won't buy another non-nexus device.
just my .02$
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This quote above is exactly what I think also after having the htc evo lte for a week.
If you like no bloatware (ie: sense) Go with galaxy nexus, you will always have the latest android version and customization is a dream. And it is plenty fast, if you need something faster then a galaxy nexus then your crazy.
PURE GOOGLE FTW!!!
Some time ago I made the decision to buy only Nexus phones and I dont regret it, they are awesome.
Pros of the GNex:
-Better software
-Updates assured for the next Android versions
-Multitasking work much better than the One X
-Removable battery
Cons:
-Bad camera
-Older hardware (but I dont think it matters that much, since it can easily run everything you can find on Android Market)
If you know are posting on xda then you probably like messing with your phones. So that leaves you with two options. Get the gnex in black or get the gnex in white.
End of story
let us know what you go with
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Thanks to all of you that have replied so far,
Yes i have meddled with my phone before, so that's a good point.
I think you have all convinced me firmly to go for the galaxy nexus then.
Thanks,
technicalevolution.
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If you know are posting on xda then you probably like messing with your phones. So that leaves you with two options. Get the gnex in black or get the gnex in white.
End of story
let us know what you go with
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Lmao this is actually the best answer I've seen. I am choosing white. Order mine on Thursday with overnight shipping
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Don't care about hardware. The nexus hardware is obviously good enough to have ics running extremely smooth. What you should take into consideration.
- Camera.
- Whether or not you want sense
- Do you hate having outdated software?
- Build quality
- which device looks better to you ( You don't want to pull out your phone and see something that you think is ugly every time.)
Those questions should give you a better answer on which you should get
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I've had my Nexus for the last 6 mo's and probably will have it for the next 18 months! I cant imagine going back to some UI and carrier bloat. Dooo iiiit!
I just love the simplistic look on the Nexus when I hide the status and nav bar. The screen just blends in with the bezel so well when using a black theme and wallpaper. The only thing I dislike about the phone is the camera, but it's good enough to satisfy most people.
Why not just play with both at a store? Get a feel for them.
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I did try to have a play on both, but for the amount of phone stores near me, none of them have a galaxy nexus on display, shambles if you ask me.
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Had the same dilemma, stock ics > sense 4 to me, and nexus runs ics so well! Also, I really don't want to wait for key lime pie to come out before I get jellybean, you know? Go with the nexus, it's fantastic!
Since this is a very common question there is a sticky dedicated to it. Please continue the conversation in there.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1642801
I was thinking about this today...as far as I know, there aren't any pure Google devices outside of the Nexus line. What gives?
I would think companies would see the benefits of AOSP: being fast and clean(due to being free of huge custom UIs) and the ability to provide Android updates quickly to users. Besides, a lot of people hate Touchwiz, Sense, Blur and all that crap...take a look at the xda forums for those devices, there is a huge demand for CM/AOKP etc. and people are willing to use alpha CM9 ROMs on brand new devices in order to get the vanilla Android experience even though the ROM isn't even remotely stable. It's not like people are simply dying to use their Sense home screens...many millions of people don't even bother to actually use the stock launchers that come with their Blur/Sense/Touchwiz phones...Go Launcher alone has 10-50 million installs according to the Play Store!
So what's the deal here? If I were a mobile exec, it would seem like a no-brainer to me to, at the very least, put out ONE vanilla device.
Everyone wants to be special and have their own look.
What you want (and what should happen) is happening this year.
http://blog.chron.com/techblog/2012...nexus-line-with-more-smartphones-tablets-wsj/
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What you want (and what should happen) is happening this year.
http://blog.chron.com/techblog/2012...nexus-line-with-more-smartphones-tablets-wsj/
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I have a GN...I don't "want" anything...just discussing why it isn't this way with more mobile companies already.
Just because a device ships with "stock" Android does NOT mean it will get updates any faster. The T-Mobile G2 and G2x were both "Stock" Android phones, and the G2x only recently received Gingerbread. These phones will never be officially be upgraded to ICS, as they have reached EOL at T-Mobile, even though they both are more than able to meet hardware requirements. OEMs and Carriers love skinned devices as it sets them apart from the rest and allows them to get away with never updating phones. The original Galaxy S looks no different after receiving Froyo and even Gingerbread although it launched with Eclair, likewise the GS2 shows little change from the upgrade to ICS. Personally, I prefer these skinned devices to everyone running stock, as I know that none of these phones will be updated quickly and only would give off the illusion of being a Nexus Class device. Also, people like AOKP and CM9 not for the stock look, they do it for the updated ROMs and Customization, the latter which can be supplied by a decent OEM skin. If you want to see a market of stock phones, look to China and Europe, many of the lesser known companies like CoolPad release dual-core stock ICS devices, but they never sell well as they are never optimized, won't get updated, look like trash, and have nothing to set them apart.
It's quite simply because when they all have to use the same 3-4 std. hardware setups the only real way for OEMs to make customers aware that their devices are different from the rest of the android devices, is to skin the software.
That being said, I agree that many of them does a very poor job, and end up with a product much less appealing than stock android.
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What you want (and what should happen) is happening this year.
http://blog.chron.com/techblog/2012...nexus-line-with-more-smartphones-tablets-wsj/
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Pretty sure this rumor was floating around before the galaxy nexus as well.
I think that maybe Google has to force Samsung, HTC and other in order that the customers will be willing to choose if we want stock or sense, touchwiz, etc ..
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diegodbm said:
I think that maybe Google has to force Samsung, HTC and other in order that the customers will be willing to choose if we want stock or sense, touchwiz, etc ..
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Which they cannot do while Android is OSS.
Manufacturer bloat = money
If all phones were "pure google", I doubt there would be "manufacturer bloat", and that's what brings in some money.
Although us nerds on phone forums may think that stock Android is a selling point, for most people it isn't. The idea of stock on all these phones is great but people have grown accustomed to what the manufacturer builds offer (camera apps, audio and video codecs, integration with services, exclusive apps, etc.) And manufacturers would prefer to control the experience on their devices. For them, new skins and frameworks are complete value-adds that sell more phones.
Samsung wants to sell you a SGSIII that looks relatively familiar to your SGSII and original SGS. The only way they can do this is by putting TouchWiz on the phones. They're all about setting up brand loyalty.
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Phone manufacturers want to stand out from other manufacturers. What would differentiate Samsung, HTC, Motorola if they all only offered vanilla android? They add their own flavour to try and get that competitive edge. This is the reason I believe, even though I prefer stock.
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neos_83 said:
Phone manufacturers want to stand out from other manufacturers. What would differentiate Samsung, HTC, Motorola if they all only offered vanilla android? They add their own flavour to try and get that competitive edge. This is the reason I believe, even though I prefer stock.
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Well than maybe instead of competing with software, use vanilla android and win the buyer with build quality and design.
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I HATED Motoblur on my Motorola Backflip and followed the forums daily on at least 6 sites waiting for root to come out. This was back when the Backflip was the only decent Android on At&t. Only after flashing CM7.xx was I happy with that phone. I actually wish they would make another more powerful version with ICS. I LOVED the phone, hated the blur skin.
However, my Atrix is great stock. I like the Motoblur on it. Having been two years since I got the backflip and then just getting the Atrix, Motoblur has gotten a lot better.
Having said that, I still flashed CM9 on my Atrix...
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I have seen samsung stock rom . Then I saw cm 9. Haven't seen Google android yet. Is cm 9 close to Google android ics
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rescuedad said:
I HATED Motoblur on my Motorola Backflip and followed the forums daily on at least 6 sites waiting for root to come out. This was back when the Backflip was the only decent Android on At&t. Only after flashing CM7.xx was I happy with that phone. I actually wish they would make another more powerful version with ICS. I LOVED the phone, hated the blur skin.
However, my Attic is great stock. I like the Motoblur on it. Having been two years since I got the backflip and then just getting the Atrix, Motoblur has gotten a lot better.
Having said that, I still flashed CM9 on my Atrix...
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My basement rules as stock too
It is all about what will make them the most money. It is fact that majority of Android users have no clue about root, unlocking boot loader, and flashing a rom.
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Hawon said:
It is all about what will make them the most money. It is fact that majority of Android users have no clue about root, unlocking boot loader, and flashing a rom.
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It'd be interesting to find out a real number but I'd say maybe 95+% don't have a clue.
Hardware is more or less the same, they can only be unique on the software. Fail miserably 99,9% of the time..
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martonikaj said:
Although us nerds on phone forums may think that stock Android is a selling point, for most people it isn't. The idea of stock on all these phones is great but people have grown accustomed to what the manufacturer builds offer (camera apps, audio and video codecs, integration with services, exclusive apps, etc.) And manufacturers would prefer to control the experience on their devices. For them, new skins and frameworks are complete value-adds that sell more phones.
Samsung wants to sell you a SGSIII that looks relatively familiar to your SGSII and original SGS. The only way they can do this is by putting TouchWiz on the phones. They're all about setting up brand loyalty.
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Qft.
Even though I'm an Android nerd I did love HTC sense for quite a long time. Had a desire, desire HD, and a sensation.
Tbh I still like sense ... the only reason I don't have a one x is that you have to use the HTC unlock tool and there is no way back to s-on from that. Having an unlocked bootloader seems to make a phone harder to resell as it normally means no ota updates which Joe Normal prefers.
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Ive asked to 90+ people or more that i see using any kind of android "whats your android version?" Only two guys could tell me that they were running gingerbread and neither new what version of GB
I think people just like big screens and a facebook app
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Yes I know it's another s3 vs gnex thread but I've searched high and low for a thread to answer my question before I posted my own. I did my research as thoroughly as I could. Now, my question:
Which phone will have the most dev support and the most custom roms? The galaxy s3 or the galaxy nexus? Will they have an equal number? I realize the s3 has better specs but I want a phone that will have a good number of custom software options available for at least two more years to come. I like both phones so it's a tough decision to make. I don't really care about how often it receives ota updates as I fully plan to run my phone off the likes of cyanogenmod, aosp or another more refined rom. I'm asking your opinions and or facts about which one will be suit my customizing needs. Thanks in advance! (I'm on sprint btw)
it has been answered a thousand times but 1001 times wont hurt i guess.
gnex is a pure google device, so it will get updates first. because of that, custom roms will go hand in hand with that.
but the flipside is the s3 is samsungs flagship, and its spread across almost 10 carriers. so its going to have an insane amount of custom roms as well, given the fact that there arent many variations of it besides radio/processor combos.
best answer? noone knows. Most would say development will be about equal on both. CM is already up and running in beta stages for US s3's.
s3 is better hardware wise and newer.
Now. You do the dishes :angel:
That and the gnex
has been out months longer
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Isn't best roms more important than most roms?
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Just coming from the GNex on Verizon to the SGIII on Sprint. I would say in the end the SGIII will endup with the most ROM's just because it can run Touchwiz and AOSP.
That was the one and only thing I did not like about the GNex.
Prior to the GNex I had a Thunderbolt and I like Sense, and I liked being able to run Sense and then the next day run AOSP. To this point AOSP is all that runs on the GNex.
There are ports of Sense and Blur but none are fully functional.
Coming from a Gnex on sprint and then getting a GS3,
as of right now, the Gnex totally wipes the floor with the GS3 because it has nearly perfect jellybean.
But that is true, it mostly just runs AOSP until some brave soul ports something else.
But you go to the development for the Gnex and there is alot more variety and much more roms than the GS3...
although since the GS3 has only been out for a little while compared to the Gnex, you can't expect too many roms, but it's getting there.
But i do miss the AOSP jelly bean, now i'm stuck on stock rooted 4.0.4 on my GS3 because i don't feel the roms out right now are too good.
but thats my opinion nonetheless.
Wolfbeef123 said:
Coming from a Gnex on sprint and then getting a GS3,
as of right now, the Gnex totally wipes the floor with the GS3 because it has nearly perfect jellybean.
But that is true, it mostly just runs AOSP until some brave soul ports something else.
But you go to the development for the Gnex and there is alot more variety and much more roms than the GS3...
although since the GS3 has only been out for a little while compared to the Gnex, you can't expect too many roms, but it's getting there.
But i do miss the AOSP jelly bean, now i'm stuck on stock rooted 4.0.4 on my GS3 because i don't feel the roms out right now are too good.
but thats my opinion nonetheless.
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As a fellow former sprint gnex user I agree that there is a lot more development going in there but that is only because the devas on the Verizon boards are nice enough to convert the ROMs over... with the exception of shabby penguin and maddogin and I think dreamsforgtten there isn't much original ROMs to tall about over there. Most of the stuff there which to be honest for a nexus isn't much is stuff that was ported over from the other variants which was surprising and the reason I switched over to the LTEVO (which was a horrible idea) and now to the GS3. Just seeing that they have a working version of CM9 and a CMX that can be used as a DD says a lot to me. It looks like Sammy has finally got their $hit together and released all of their sauce in a timely better than timely manner. This phone feels like what the nexus should have been. A much better screen, CPU, GPU (the nexus GPU is a joke) and camera... I feel like calling the Gnex a nexus is a joke because it is just way to underpowered to be consider a Google experience phone.
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Thanks everyone for your replies. It really helped a lot with my decision. I am now a proud owner of a galaxy s3 and since far even stock it's freaking awesome! I can't wait to trick it out with CMX or hopefully paranoid when it eventually gets ported lol but anyways thanks again for your help!
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As a fellow former sprint gnex user I agree that there is a lot more development going in there but that is only because the devas on the Verizon boards are nice enough to convert the ROMs over... with the exception of shabby penguin and maddogin and I think dreamsforgtten there isn't much original ROMs to tall about over there. Most of the stuff there which to be honest for a nexus isn't much is stuff that was ported over from the other variants which was surprising and the reason I switched over to the LTEVO (which was a horrible idea) and now to the GS3. Just seeing that they have a working version of CM9 and a CMX that can be used as a DD says a lot to me. It looks like Sammy has finally got their $hit together and released all of their sauce in a timely better than timely manner. This phone feels like what the nexus should have been. A much better screen, CPU, GPU (the nexus GPU is a joke) and camera... I feel like calling the Gnex a nexus is a joke because it is just way to underpowered to be consider a Google experience phone.
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I agree entirely, although the jelly bean was very smooth, the Gnex was WAYY too underpowered to actually be a google flagship phone.
and to actually think about it, to me at least, the GS3 doesnt seem like a flagship phone either. Although it should be a beast, to me it feels a bit too underpowered. Kinda wish we got the quadcore instead of the krait s4 as well as the 2gb of RAM but oh well.
I'm not an iPhone guy, as i hate iPhones and all their hype.
but if by then there is a quadcore CPU that can handle LTE, then samsung will be a bit behind..
although by then, we'll probably get another GS3 variant? maybe a Galaxy Note 2, or a galaxy s3 Quad or something you know?
at least those are my 2 cents...
now I'm gonna go back to looking for a mosin nagant locally lol
Wolfbeef123 said:
I agree entirely, although the jelly bean was very smooth, the Gnex was WAYY too underpowered to actually be a google flagship phone.
and to actually think about it, to me at least, the GS3 doesnt seem like a flagship phone either. Although it should be a beast, to me it feels a bit too underpowered. Kinda wish we got the quadcore instead of the krait s4 as well as the 2gb of RAM but oh well.
I'm not an iPhone guy, as i hate iPhones and all their hype.
but if by then there is a quadcore CPU that can handle LTE, then samsung will be a bit behind..
although by then, we'll probably get another GS3 variant? maybe a Galaxy Note 2, or a galaxy s3 Quad or something you know?
at least those are my 2 cents...
now I'm gonna go back to looking for a mosin nagant locally lol
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When we get quad core there's gonna be something better it will never end there's phones are fast enough android operating system and apps need to catch up to optimize theses higher end phones.
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Lol at the gnex being underpowered but runs circles around the gs3 with its JB update. Proving software is what's important. You guys have a souped up cam/2x the ram and a newer chipset and still complain. Ive never heard any1 say the s3 is underpowered til this thread. Smh.
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bonebeatz1234 said:
When we get quad core there's gonna be something better it will never end there's phones are fast enough android operating system and apps need to catch up to optimize theses higher end phones.
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yeah and unfortunately with all these variety of devices, i don't think many apps actually use the full power that is capable of these high end phones.
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Lol at the gnex being underpowered but runs circles around the gs3 with its JB update. Proving software is what's important. You guys have a souped up cam/2x the ram and a newer chipset and still complain. Ive never heard any1 say the s3 is underpowered til this thread. Smh.
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i isnt underpowered...lol
nut coming from jelly belly on the Gnex... it feels slow. lol
As someone who has a sprint gnex, it doesn't seem underpowered at all. I run JB paranoidandroid and there is never even a hiccup. But alas, Sprint's gnex and s3 are devices without networks ATM.
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