By now we've learned that TouchWiz is pretty damn bloated. I did some work on my T-Mobile Note II and managed to clean up a lot of bloat. That said, I'm going to cut straight to the chase... The following list includes the apps that I have either uninstalled with ROM Cleaner (available from the Note 2 International Forum) and Frozen with Titanium Backup. So far I have not had any weird bugs or loss of functionality. Obviously you need to be rooted for this. However, your mileage may vary and I am not responsible at all. I have tested this for me and it works. I have about 1200MB to 1400MB of free RAM at boot!
Uninstalled with ROMcleaner:
Adobe Reader PDF reader
AllShare Cast
Nearby devices
AllShare Play
AllShare Service
Chaton
ChocoEUKor font
DSM
DownloadThemAll
Samsung fota updates
Upgarde installer
Game Hub
Market Feedback Agent
Samsung Help Hub
Helv Neue S font
Idea Idea Sketch
Learning HUB
Music Hub
MusicFX
MobilePrint
MobileTrackerTwo
Official Top 40
MyFiles
Google Plus
PRUI
Readers Hub Store
Reader Hub App
Reader Hub Bridge
RoseEUKor Font
Samsung APPS
Samsung UNA3
HTML Viewer
Samsing Note
Samsung Snote syncadapter
S Suggest
Software Update
talkback
Trim
Video Hub
WebManual
Frozen with Titanium:
Amazon
Bonus Apps
CapabilityManagerService
Enterprise SysScope
Enterprise VPN Services
EnterprisePermissions
Favorite Apps
Favorite Contacts
Play Books
Play Movies
Group Cast
Kies Air
Kies Via Wifi
Media Hub
MobileLife
Need For speed
Remote Controls
Samsung Account
Samsung Backup Provider
Browser Synadapter
Cloud Data Relay
Contact SyncAdapter
SmemoSyncadapter
Samsung Syncadapters
Simple Alarm Clock
Software Update
Swype
T-mo my account
T-Mo name ID
Mobile TV
TMserverapp
Visual Voicemail
VPN Client
Yahoo Finance
Yahoo News
UltraCfg
Testservice
SysScope
Smartcardservice
Service Mode
Self Test mode
Screen Recorder
Samsung SEtup wizard
Samsung Push Service
Samsung Backup
Preconfig
PhoneUtil
NFS Service
SNS
Popupuireciever
I know there's some typos in there, but you get the idea.
Now, if you go to your battery usage, you will see that Android OS is eating a lot of battery, even when idle... Lots of wakelocks, etc. Turns out it's mediaserver eating up all of the battery and throwing partial wakelocks...
Here's the fix:
From an ADB shell or a terminal on the phone... YOU MUST BE ROOTED:
Code:
su
pm enable com.android.providers.media/com.android.providers.media.MediaScannerReceiver
My battery life at idle has SUBSTANTIALLY improved. My free RAM has improved as well.
I'm not going to lie... The debloating doesn't make things seem that much faster, and this phone is so damn fast that it really doesn't matter that much. But that pm enable fix is slick and helps a lot as far as battery while idling.
Please don't hesitate to share your findings or improvements to this. I welcome any constructive input.
Thanks! I've been meaning to research on which apps were safe to freeze/uninstall.
Thanks
when you do the mediaserver fix through the terminal is it supposed to say "new state:enabled" ?
bapurado said:
when you do the mediaserver fix through the terminal is it supposed to say "new state:enabled" ?
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It didn't do that for me, but check and see if MediaServer is running as a SERVICE, then you'll know if it worked
Once I put in the commands it said enable is that correct? And is this to minimize the media server's percentage in the battery screen shot?
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Once I put in the commands it said enable is that correct? And is this to minimize the media server's percentage in the battery screen shot?
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If you'd feel more comfortable there's a free app in the Play Store called Media Rescan Root that will do the same thing...
The command disables mediaserver from constantly scanning storage for new media; it's out of control and likely a bug specific to our device/series of devices.
Ran the code via Rom ToolBox terminal.
I'm a heavy user, the S2 barely lasted my work day. This bad boy was getting to 30 something % by 5pm, after being off the charger around 6:30am. It's 4pm and I'm at 48% - 10 hours. That's moderate use.
I think this lil script did it's job. I'm pretty freakin' impressed.
If you'd feel more comfortable there's a free app in the Play Store called Media Rescan Root that will do the same thing...
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Honestly i dont think this is a big an issue on my note 2 as it was for my GS1 which took a long time to media scan on boot. I don't think I've seen my note 2 media scan on boot and the boot time is really amazing as it is stock.
@OP
Thanks for sharing. You're a bit too aggressive for my tastes, but we all use our phones differently. No criticisms below, just discussion points.
Many of the apps you've removed, like Amazon, are ones I use frequently, and honestly, I find it difficult to believe it uses any meaningful amount of juice if you're not actually shopping with it. I certainly could be wrong, but on all the phones I've ever used, apps like that have never made an appearance of concern in battery history. YMMV.
Also, I think it's interesting that you chose to "freeze" apps that can be downloaded from the Market (Amazon, Play Books, Play Movies). Freezing stops them from running, but they're still sitting there eating up storage space (albeit very little). I'd just totally uninstall them and reinstall if needed.
I heard that some of the bloatware from Tmobile actually reinstalls itself when frozen/removed. Any experience with that?
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@OP
Thanks for sharing. You're a bit too aggressive for my tastes, but we all use our phones differently. No criticisms below, just discussion points.
Many of the apps you've removed, like Amazon, are ones I use frequently, and honestly, I find it difficult to believe it uses any meaningful amount of juice if you're not actually shopping with it. I certainly could be wrong, but on all the phones I've ever used, apps like that have never made an appearance of concern in battery history. YMMV.
Also, I think it's interesting that you chose to "freeze" apps that can be downloaded from the Market (Amazon, Play Books, Play Movies). Freezing stops them from running, but they're still sitting there eating up storage space (albeit very little). I'd just totally uninstall them and reinstall if needed.
I heard that some of the bloatware from Tmobile actually reinstalls itself when frozen/removed. Any experience with that?
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The my T-Mobile program keeps popping back up, but that's the only one. I don't mind, to be honest. And I agree, this is too agressive. It's not like this big list is getting in the way, and I honestly doubt he's seeing much, if any, improvement. But, you are right, YMMV.
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The my T-Mobile program keeps popping back up, but that's the only one. I don't mind, to be honest. And I agree, this is too agressive. It's not like this big list is getting in the way, and I honestly doubt he's seeing much, if any, improvement. But, you are right, YMMV.
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Actually, the My T-Mobile app is one I would want to keep; nice to have a quick easy access to my account information. If carriers are going to add bloat, that's the kind of stuff they should be adding.
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Actually, the My T-Mobile app is one I would want to keep; nice to have a quick easy access to my account information. If carriers are going to add bloat, that's the kind of stuff they should be adding.
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Ah, true, I am not on T-Mobile, so I don't use it. The program is tiny anyways, so it's no big deal. Now, if it were Need For Speed... I would do battle! LoL!
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@OP
Thanks for sharing. You're a bit too aggressive for my tastes, but we all use our phones differently. No criticisms below, just discussion points.
Many of the apps you've removed, like Amazon, are ones I use frequently, and honestly, I find it difficult to believe it uses any meaningful amount of juice if you're not actually shopping with it. I certainly could be wrong, but on all the phones I've ever used, apps like that have never made an appearance of concern in battery history. YMMV.
Also, I think it's interesting that you chose to "freeze" apps that can be downloaded from the Market (Amazon, Play Books, Play Movies). Freezing stops them from running, but they're still sitting there eating up storage space (albeit very little). I'd just totally uninstall them and reinstall if needed.
I heard that some of the bloatware from Tmobile actually reinstalls itself when frozen/removed. Any experience with that?
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All I was doing was listing what you can do, and what I did. I froze Play Books and Movies because they're always running and eating up RAM, even when you kill them. They are always running if they are installed. And in reference to your question about T-Mobile stuff reinstalling itself, I've never had that in my experience if I've actually completely removed something. I don't see technically how that would be possible.
I froze Amazon because f**k them, and f**k T-Mobile for installing Amazon as a system app, meaning you can't remove it without root. I spent $700 on a device, it's absurd that I should not have control over what apps I can and can't have on my device... Don't you think?
I was only sharing what I did and what I found is safe, eg. this didn't bork my phone
Thanks for your input
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All I was doing was listing what you can do, and what I did. I froze Play Books and Movies because they're always running and eating up RAM, even when you kill them. They are always running if they are installed. And in reference to your question about T-Mobile stuff reinstalling itself, I've never had that in my experience if I've actually completely removed something. I don't see technically how that would be possible.
I froze Amazon because f**k them, and f**k T-Mobile for installing Amazon as a system app, meaning you can't remove it without root. I spent $700 on a device, it's absurd that I should not have control over what apps I can and can't have on my device... Don't you think?
I was only sharing what I did and what I found is safe, eg. this didn't bork my phone
Thanks for your input
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Winky faces aside, I think you took my post far too personally. You invited discussion, and I offered up some. No offense was intended.
You also apparently completely missed my point re: "freezing" vs. removing. You clearly have root access, as indicated by some of the tips you give which you specifically say "YOU MUST BE ROOTED", so I'm confused by what you mean when you say "you can't remove it without root." You can't remove any system apps, which most of which you removed are, without root, so that's irrelevant. My confusion was simply why, considering you must have root to do some of what you did" you chose to freeze som market-downloadable apps rather than simply uninstall/remove them?
My logic tree when I decide whether to remove or freeze is simple. Freeze stuff I might want/need back that's not easily obtainable/installable, just to be safe. Remove stuff I know is safe and that I can easily obtain/reinstall through the Play store or other places.
I'm not interested in an argument, so I think I'll just move along from here and find a discussion a bit less defensive.
Peace.
1 there are many more that can go
2 can you sort them alphabetically
3 thanx fellow minimalist
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Winky faces aside, I think you took my post far too personally. You invited discussion, and I offered up some. No offense was intended.
You also apparently completely missed my point re: "freezing" vs. removing. You clearly have root access, as indicated by some of the tips you give which you specifically say "YOU MUST BE ROOTED", so I'm confused by what you mean when you say "you can't remove it without root." You can't remove any system apps, which most of which you removed are, without root, so that's irrelevant. My confusion was simply why, considering you must have root to do some of what you did" you chose to freeze som market-downloadable apps rather than simply uninstall/remove them?
My logic tree when I decide whether to remove or freeze is simple. Freeze stuff I might want/need back that's not easily obtainable/installable, just to be safe. Remove stuff I know is safe and that I can easily obtain/reinstall through the Play store or other places.
I'm not interested in an argument, so I think I'll just move along from here and find a discussion a bit less defensive.
Peace.
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Thinly veiled sarcasm aside, I didn't mean to be abrasive. Just sharing what I did. I was more referring to the absurdity of the carriers forcing apps on you, then forcing you to void your warranty in order to remove them. That was not an assault on you. I know you know that you have to be rooted, you've been here for a while.
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2 can you sort them alphabetically
3 thanx fellow minimalist
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1. Cool! Which other ones did you remove?
2. No
3. You're welcome
This works so good on my at&t i317. Thanks for the post.I'm seeing a lot better battery as well
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The media scanner eating battery was a big issue on my GT-i9300 GS3. It's not been too big of a deal on my GN2 so far.
I was just curious, should the code "disable" the scanner on boot and not enable?
Here's what was posted:
Code:
su
pm enable com.android.providers.media/com.android.providers.media.MediaScannerReceiver
Should it be (?):
Code:
su
pm disable com.android.providers.media/com.android.providers.media.MediaScannerReceiver
I just want to know because I think I'm going to disable the media scanner on boot to try it out on my GN2.
Thanks for the info!
Related
Here's a list of apps that are open when my phone is just turned on:
Paperdroid
Greed2
Market
NewsRob
Tasker
Google Mail
News
Wifi Manager
Gallery
Colornote
Footprints
Messages
Nimbuzz
Clock
twicca
Skebby
fring
FM Radio
Music
Stocks
Except a few system ones (Gmail, Messages..), why do apps open even if I never used them? Especially the HTC ones (Stocks, Footprints), they are really annoying apps I never opened.
Can this be solved somehow? It may not use resources or battery but I don't understand why I can't decide what to open.
It feels like the Windows system tray, bunch of stuff often stuck there autostarting with no way of removing it (if not by using 3rd party programs).
i was about to post the same question. Just dont understand why they start when i got my sync set to manual
totally agree that all these apps/services or whatever you call just annoying as they are started without user permission. Hv raised a similar thread some time ago, and Im not expert on such issues, but as far as I understand, the only way to get rid of them is -unfortunately- passing through root & custom roms.. No way out to stop them from being run automatically especially the Sense ones. However, acc to more advanced users or developers, they are not so "dangerous" in terms of battery consumption, nor any other impact on system as long as user do not activate and use them. For those which requires synching e.g. stocks, news, facebook, peep etc. it is enough to keep autosynch option disabled, thus it is no longer needing to think/care about them, that's it. But if the point is to ensure more room available in the internal memory, then -as said- the only solution is flashing rom with any 3rd party rom like cyanogen, modaco, defrost, ........
Me? still stuck with the official froyo on my unbranded, unrooted Desire (since April 13th)
iLHaNroID said:
totally agree that all these apps/services or whatever you call just annoying as they are started without user permission
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when you download them you give them all the permissions they need, if you dont like the way a program behaves ..... simple dont download it
Wow that's helpful, simply don't download stock and peep and others.how come I did not think about it???
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it starts them, cause it has enough memory to cacche them.
so when you want to launch them, they open fast. simple as that.
when do people stop worrying about memory and all this. android handles that very well. no reason for watching memory and running programs even.
koichirose said:
Can this be solved somehow? It may not use resources or battery but I don't understand why I can't decide what to open.
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Put simply, the reason why these start at boot is because they are set to receive the ACTION_BOOT_COMPLETED intent.
Allows an application to receive the ACTION_BOOT_COMPLETED that is broadcast after the system finishes booting. If you don't request this permission, you will not receive the broadcast at that time. Though holding this permission does not have any security implications, it can have a negative impact on the user experience by increasing the amount of time it takes the system to start and allowing applications to have themselves running without the user being aware of them. As such, you must explicitly declare your use of this facility to make that visible to the user.
Constant Value: "android.permission.RECEIVE_BOOT_COMPLETED"
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Bear in mind that 99.99% of Android users will never know that this has happened, or that these processes were started. So, if they want to use Stocks, Peep, or whatever, they don't need to make a conscious decision to have the app start automatically - it just does.
Whilst I'm sure Google could build in an official API to allow you to control this behaviour, it would only be of benefit to a very tiny minority of users.
Regards,
Dave
Thank you for the explanation.
All I want would be an option to disable autostart.
I found it in fring, for example, and would like to see other developers add this option as well.
The only bad impact you could have is that boot time could be a couple of seconds longer for every application that starts. Otherwise, that memory it occupies will be freed the second the system needs it and CPU-wise, those applications are staying idle in the background
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All I want would be an option to disable autostart.
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Same here. Android has a slightly ridiculous amount of processes and apps running in the background all the time, and while they in theory shouldn't put a strain on the battery when they're not using the CPU, I'm beginning to think that they do since battery life on Android usually is awful, no matter how many precautions you take.
MapleDouglas said:
Same here. Android has a slightly ridiculous amount of processes and apps running in the background all the time, and while they in theory shouldn't put a strain on the battery when they're not using the CPU, I'm beginning to think that they do since battery life on Android usually is awful, no matter how many precautions you take.
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exactly, no matter how many precautions you make, so you are basically saying it doesn't matter how many apps are "running"... It makes no difference whether memory is used by an app or not.
Read this article to understand it better: http://www.droid-den.com/android-guides/android-guide-should-i-use-a-task-killer
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exactly, no matter how many precautions you make, so you are basically saying it doesn't matter how many apps are "running"... It makes no difference whether memory is used by an app or not.
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With "precautions" I wasn't referring to killing processes, but general battery saving precautions, many based on common sense. I agree that task killers never should be used, unless a specific app has frozen and is given you trouble. But you can just go to Android's own Applications screen for that.
Is there a free way to stop applications from starting up?
This can be accomplished with a cheap app Autostarts, but I would rather not pay.
i'm trying the trial of startup manager, blocks some but not all. looks like it just kills the process once it's started tself. gonna get rid, and just use the task manager i have now.
it doesnt matter if it only makes a small difference, it's (for me anyway) about control, no different that on the PC
i have plenty of RAM in my PC but i wont allow every single program to have something start itself at bootup. it;s annoying. that's why i use msconfig to kill em.
that's what we need for android.
I don't know of other programs, but autostarts works quite well, and it's not that expensive, as I recall.
snudel said it all: stop worrying about memory.. i was a long time iphone user. on iphone memory is a nightmare.. soh on desire i was all the time fc'ing app's, them i notice the problem wasnt memory os the great number of opened apps, but me.. now they run on background, open fast, the mem management is awesome, they dont seen to utilize any noticeable amount of battery.. so, before changing the system, try changing yourself..
What is known safe to freeze
as listed in titanium backup, I've been able to freeze the following bloat without any issue:
Allshare cast
Allshare play
Allshare service
AT&T * (everything starting with "AT&T" can be frozen)
ChatON
DeviceHelp
Flipboard
Kies* (everything starting with "Kies" can be frozen)
media hub
music hub
my AT&T
news daemon
s suggest
s voice
samsung backup provider
samsung browser syncadapter
samsung calendar syncadapter
samsung cloud data relay
samsung contact syncadapter
samsung snote syncadapter
samsung syncadapters
SNS
stock daemon
swype (keyboard still works fine without swype support)
sysscope
tethering provision
vpn client
weather daemon
weather widget
weather widget main
yahoo finance
yahoo news
YP Mobile
There are many other things that can be frozen - this (so far) is just a list of what I'm currently freezing
AT&T users: The "mobile hotspot" icon that shows up in your app drawer doesn't have it's own app that you can freeze. It appears to be something in the settings.apk (and you probably don't want to freeze that.)
FM Radio
There isn't one. Based on my research, the hardware either doesn't exist or isn't physically connected. No luck with spiritFM either. This matches what international users have found with the n7105 (international LTE note2)
The "mobile hotspot" icon that shows up in your app drawer doesn't have it's own app that you can freeze. It appears to be something in the settings.apk (and you probably don't want to freeze that.)
I'm trying to figure out how to deodex a JB firmware... once I have that, I'll be uploading doing a few minor mods (and uploading them, of course.)
Another reason to go international if you don't have lte in your area.
Jesus AT$T, got bloat?
SGH-I717 Galaxy Note | AOSP/CM/AOKP <3 via Tapatalk II
added note about FM radio, updated post title to reflect that I'm just dumping random "faq" type information in it.
Great info! However personally, I'd wait with freezing apps since android operating systems have a wakelock specifically designated for deleted/frozen apps. Why or what for? No clue, but it's there. I'll wait until I can actually remove them completely. Either way this phone's battery and performance is awesome out of the box, even with bloatware :thumbup:
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AlonB. said:
Great info! However personally, I'd wait with freezing apps since android operating systems have a wakelock specifically designated for deleted/frozen apps. Why or what for? No clue, but it's there. I'll wait until I can actually remove them completely.
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No.. your off base there. deleted_wakelock has nothing whatsoever to do with a frozen app. A wakelock is actually a kernel structure. When an app cleans up after itself, the time it had in wakelock is added to the deleted_wakelocks counter.
Xstop said:
Another reason to go international if you don't have lte in your area.
Jesus AT$T, got bloat?
SGH-I717 Galaxy Note | AOSP/CM/AOKP <3 via Tapatalk II
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takes 5 min to disable it all forever.. not gonna get up in arms this time
This is still a pretty good excel source for the novice although it is for stock.
Collected way back for SGS2
frewys said:
This is still a pretty good excel source for the novice although it is for stock.
Collected way back for SGS2
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Thanks for this! I was looking to ask the question in q&a. Would this be pretty close to SGN2?
sent using gNote II.
Thanks for the great info! I'll definitely be doing this soon after I get mine. I'm curious, how much of a difference in memory consumption/speed have you noticed after disabling all this bloat?
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Thanks for the great info! I'll definitely be doing this soon after I get mine. I'm curious, how much of a difference in memory consumption/speed have you noticed after disabling all this bloat?
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Well... I really can't answer that, as I didn't seriously use the phone until after I disabled that stuff.
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Well... I really can't answer that, as I didn't seriously use the phone until after I disabled that stuff.
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Ah. well maybe you could run some benchmarks or something, and we could compare with stock scores?
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Ah. well maybe you could run some benchmarks or something, and we could compare with stock scores?
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1. It wouldn't show up in benchmarks, as benchmarks tend to grab exclusive use of the device (meaning the other stuff wouldn't matter.) As well, I don't believe in benchmarks - they are too easily compensated for.
2. By freezing unused services, they'll never start which means the phone doesn't hold them in memory (freeing memory), doesn't use processor cycles to load/reload/execute them which will result in a lower battery usage (depending on the specific service) and allow the phone to "feel" faster in some cases.
3. Finally, freezing stuff that you don't use cleans up the app drawer. Why would anyone want an icon (even if they don't use it) for AT&T's navigation software when google gives us the same thing for free? (Freezing it also prevents someone else from using it if you loan them your phone.)
Of course, the idea of this thread isn't to discuss the merits of freezing bloat (or the merits of urinating when the need arises.) The idea is to let people know what is "safe" to freeze (and give other device information.)
As a guy coming out of the Apple iOS world, I have to say that the only Android device I've held is my wife's Galaxy Nexus on Verizon, and I'm not familiar with the terms "app drawer" or "freezing" apps. Can I ask for a little clarification without sounding like the total noob I am, please?
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As a guy coming out of the Apple iOS world, I have to say that the only Android device I've held is my wife's Galaxy Nexus on Verizon, and I'm not familiar with the terms "app drawer" or "freezing" apps. Can I ask for a little clarification without sounding like the total noob I am, please?
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(I hope you take this with the humor intended...)
No, there is simply no possible way for you to ask that without sounding like a newbie. However, it's okay... we were all newbies at one time.
"app drawer" - in iOS, every app you install leaves an icon on your homescreen (or one of the homescreens.) That isn't the case with android. In android, YOU decide what your homescreen looks like - you can have app icons, widgets, or just leave them blank. There is usually an icon on the homescreen that lets you access your "app drawer" which contains all the phone apps. On the note2 with default configuration, thats the checkerboard looking icon on the lower right of the homescreen.
freezing - using an application such as "titanium backup", you can "freeze" an app. This is a way to basically completely disable and hide an application without physically uninstalling it. The only effective difference between a frozen app and one that's actually uninstalled is that the frozen app still can be "defrosted" (which restores it to normal.) freezing apps requires that your phone is rooted (which is a topic for another thread...)
ohRonaldo said:
As a guy coming out of the Apple iOS world, I have to say that the only Android device I've held is my wife's Galaxy Nexus on Verizon, and I'm not familiar with the terms "app drawer" or "freezing" apps. Can I ask for a little clarification without sounding like the total noob I am, please?
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The " app drawer" is the location on android that has your application launch icons (and widges). If you delete the app icon on the desktop you can gain access to the installed app here. You can grab a copy from the tray to deposit on other desktop pages.
The term "freezing" is a method to make installed apps dormant and thus not "call home" or use CPU cycles / memory resources that drain power or use data. These are usually done in preparation in determining what apps to un-install. Un-installing bundled applications may leave you no way to re-install them later, short of re-flashing to stock ROM.
Most folks will attempt to freeze apps to remove "bloatware". Later the storage can be reclaimed by un-installing the apps. By freezing, you can avoid "burning a bridge" you may find you need later.
Dynamite answers, thanks. I'm familiar with that app drawer, just didn't know its name, and the requirement of root for a freezing app will be juuust a bit down the road until I can understand the new OS environment.
PS I am a software engineer from way back, part of the generation responsible for "Are you sure?" and "General Error. Continue?" prompts, so.... I deserve every bit of jazz anyone wants to heap on me.
ohRonaldo said:
PS I am a software engineer from way back, part of the generation responsible for "Are you sure?" and "General Error. Continue?" prompts, so.... I deserve every bit of jazz anyone wants to heap on me.
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Hmmm... The response, "Hit Any Key to continue..." comes to mind. I'm still looking for the Any Key and have never found it. :laugh:
the builtin application manager can disable some programs... i'm wondering if this is the same as freezing
ShadowVlican said:
the builtin application manager can disable some programs... i'm wondering if this is the same as freezing
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yes
This may be purely placebo... But I swear that after I rooted and got rid of a bunch of bloat last night that I am seeing more lag than ever. Seems sometimes it take longer for the tablet to wake. Ill press something and there will be a delay etc... Is there a possibility that something I did is causing a service to use more resources?
Apps I froze with ROM Toolbox:
ANT HAL
ANT Radio ANT+ Plugins
Blurb Checkout
Businessweek
Chaton
com.sec.enterprise.knox.attestation
com.sec.know.eventsmanager
Flipboard
Help
KLMS Agent
Knox 1.0
Knox 1.0
Knox Notification Manager
Knox Store
My Magazine
My Magazine - here and now
NYTimes
Phone
Polaris office
S Translator
Samsung Link
Samsung Push service
Samsung WatchOn
Screensaver
Story Album
Syscope
TripAdvisor
World Clock
Yahoo Finance
Is there anything else I should remove that would help?
Also, I can't use Sumsung Hub Video's, the existing videos I have won't play.
The only other Mods I have done are Multi-window manager, Wanam Xposed, Pen Window mamanger and trying out GMD Gestures.
Watching the Task Manager, it seems like I am using way more memeory than I ever used to. Before I would harldy go over 2GB now I easily see 2.3-2.5GB.
Please let me know if you have suggestions.
Thanks!
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This may be purely placebo... But I swear that after I rooted and got rid of a bunch of bloat last night that I am seeing more lag than ever. Seems sometimes it take longer for the tablet to wake. Ill press something and there will be a delay etc... Is there a possibility that something I did is causing a service to use more resources?
Apps I froze with ROM Toolbox:
ANT HAL
ANT Radio ANT+ Plugins
Blurb Checkout
Businessweek
Chaton
com.sec.enterprise.knox.attestation
com.sec.know.eventsmanager
Flipboard
Help
KLMS Agent
Knox 1.0
Knox 1.0
Knox Notification Manager
Knox Store
My Magazine
My Magazine - here and now
NYTimes
Phone
Polaris office
S Translator
Samsung Link
Samsung Push service
Samsung WatchOn
Screensaver
Story Album
Syscope
TripAdvisor
World Clock
Yahoo Finance
Is there anything else I should remove that would help?
Also, I can't use Sumsung Hub Video's, the existing videos I have won't play.
The only other Mods I have done are Multi-window manager, Wanam Xposed, Pen Window mamanger and trying out GMD Gestures.
Watching the Task Manager, it seems like I am using way more memeory than I ever used to. Before I would harldy go over 2GB now I easily see 2.3-2.5GB.
Please let me know if you have suggestions.
Thanks!
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You may want to get betterbatterystats to see what services are keeping the tab running. Also, use Greenify to control the apps you don't want to autostart or keep running after you have gone back to homescreen. I haven't rooted mine yet, but thats what I use on my other tablets and phones. You could also try clearing cache and dalvik cache, and maybe doing fix permissions. But I again not sure if it will work out.
I get no lag whatsoever and im not rooted as I don't Like what Samsung has done with the knox security, the thing that has made the biggest difference for me is replacing the TW launcher with Nova Prime, I don't think the bloat ware makes such a big difference to this as it has such a large amount of ram, it's pretty hard to slow it down now
If I could now sort out the massive battery drain I'd be extremely happy with my purchase
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Every time I have a lag, it's either bad file or bad app. I use System Panel in these cases to identify the problem. Last week my tablet was slow and hot all the time. For some reason Beautiful Widgets was using 100% of CPU for hours. Another example is a bad file (pdf or epub), search index was running non - stop until I found the problem.
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Every time I have a lag, it's either bad file or bad app. I use System Panel in these cases to identify the problem. Last week my tablet was slow and hot all the time. For some reason Beautiful Widgets was using 100% of CPU for hours. Another example is a bad file (pdf or epub), search index was running non - stop until I found the problem.
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OK cool I will check out System Panel. I did notice that I think GMD Gestures was causing some slowness. As much as I liked the program I uninstalled it. There was some weird bugs with it and a lot of times it would interfere with other things with the note, like disabling the palm rejection for writing and stuff.
If you are rooted, is there a good way to disable the indexing services?
I'm not sure, but i see smooth after root and remove bloat app. Did you set live wallpaper? Some live wall not optimizer make lag when use.
I had beautiful widgets pro installed while rooted and the device headed up like crazy and lagged. Could be app related
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I'm not sure, but i see smooth after root and remove bloat app. Did you set live wallpaper? Some live wall not optimizer make lag when use.
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No live wallpaper, I hate them, resource HOG.
Maybe I am just being overly picky with how I think the tablet should run. I just think that at this point in the game of Android development and the crazy hardware specs that are being crammed into these devices now, that everything should run super smooth with no stutters or hitches. It's just disappointing to me that I have to hack and mod my device this much just to make it even just marginally better... Why can't this stuff be better optimized??!!!!
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If you are rooted, is there a good way to disable the indexing services?
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You can disable it by going to /system/app, and renaming, or deleting "ContentSearch.apk". But, if you do, your tablet will no longer index files that you add or change. For example, if you add a video, movie, or music, to the internal or external storage, the tablet won't know anything has changed, and won't be able to find the added file.
I would advise against disabling the index service. A better option would be to find the file that's causing your issue. This may help: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2483944
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** DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT A DEVELOPER. I DO THIS AS A HOBBY AND SHARE MY FINDINGS IN CASE SOMEONE ELSE FINDS THEM USEFUL. **
** THIS WORKED ON MY DEVICE BUT IT MAY NOT WORK ON YOURS. APPLY AT YOUR OWN RISK **
Background
This script is written for the sole purpose of reducing the power consumption of Android 5.0 update for T-Mobile Note 3. A lot more can be removed from the system but that will not make a significant contribution to power.
The debloat script does not really remove anything; it only disables the apps. You can always run the enbloat script to revert it.
THIS SCRIPT IS FOR LOLLIPOP ONLY. WILL NOT WORK ON OTHER ANDROID FLAVORS.
What this script does
Please read below and understand what this script does before you use it. There may be an app on the list that you may actually want to keep.
Removes: FOTA, update, and security vehicles.
Because: these vehicles push "Security Updates" onto the device. If you make the mistake of accepting this security update, even after you root your tablet, it can patch the hole and you will never be able to use the same exploit to root again.
Removes: Google apps including Gmail and Google sync apps except for Maps, Youtube, Chrome, and Voice Search.
Because: Google apps do a lot of bookkeeping, locationing, and internet access in the background with very little benefit to the user, while consuming a lot of power. If you use Gmail my suggestion is to use the default Email program since it allows a better management of the sync schedule and consumes less battery (and a few other good things). Note that this can severely limit your access to Play Store so either install all store apps you need before debloating or use sideloading to install them after
Removes: Knox
Because: I am yet to meet a single person who likes this nightmare of an app.
Removes: Tmobile stuff except for Voice mail and hotspot
Because: Tmobile bloat does too much activity in the background. In particular, Lookout scans your device constantly to no obvious advantage.
Removes: Backup/cloud agents
Because: Most advanced users backup their data through other means
Removes: Remote control and tracking mechanisms
Because: If you are reading this you most likely don't want your device to be remotely tracked or controlled by Samsung
Removes: ANT services, health, INDI (v2), secgba (v2), Peel (v2)
Because: They run in the background and use the radio.
Removes: Weather (unified) daemon
Because: Major battery hog
Removes: Chat ON, Gear Manager Stub, Bloomberg
Because: Not particularly useful and can be installed from the market if needed
Removes: Enterprise and VPN tools
Because: Most users don't use them
And since someone will ask at some point, no, this script won't trip your Knox!
Requirements:
Rooted Samsung Note 3 SM-N900T (T-mobile model) on Lollipop N900TUVUFOB6. See this thread.
Android Terminal Emulator: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jackpal.androidterm&hl=en
Download link:
Attached below
Instructions:
Make a backup of your files/system. Also have a flashable Odin ROM handy to recover from possible disasters. I am not responsible if you brick your device while using these scripts.
To debloat:
1- Unzip the attachment and copy debloat.sh to your phone at /sdcard
2- Run the terminal emulator and type the following:
su
cd /sdcard
sh debloat.sh3- It will do its thing and reboot your phone in about 5 seconds.
To restore the bloatware:
1- Unzip the attachment and copy enbloat.sh to your phone at /sdcard
2- Run the terminal emulator and type the following:
su
cd /sdcard
sh enbloat.sh3- It will do its thing and reboot your phone in about 5 seconds. You have all your bloat back now.
Note that while running the debloat script you may get force-closing popups. This is normal; after all you are disabling these applications.
Limitations:
If you have previously removed bloat using other means this script CANNOT recover it for you. enbloat.sh can only restore what debloat.sh has disabled.
Final Notes
With this script you should be able to get anywhere between 0.25 to 1 percent discharge per hour in standby mode. Your awake time should also be around 1-3%. You will still find that Google Services will wake up and use GPS every time you unlock your phone. To get even better battery performance turn your GPS off when you are not using it
This should be sufficient for 99% of people. After you apply this script, if you still want more try this: Disable Phonesky, google play services, Google framework, and stock YouTube by renaming their apks (not the directory they are in but the apks themselves) to .apk.bac, reboot, and install an older version of youtube that does not need Google Services, such as 5.1.10. Note that this drastic removal of Google services will make assisted GPS very slow in Google Maps. If you don't understand what that means it is best to stick with the debloat script and not mess with your system.
Regardless of whether you end up using this code or not, my suggestion to you is to go to Settings -> General -> Security -> Security Policy Updates -> untick Automatic Updates.
Update
Version 2 removes more background processes. If you have already used version 1 to debloat, I recommend that you use version 1 to restore the bloat and then use version 2 to debloat again.
Thanks for contributing your work!
Frank
411y0ur8453 said:
See above/
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Anyways, we don't need a big long debate about it. I am just saying there needs to be a little more objective evidence for this, especially when the logic and reason at the beginning of the OP doesn't match the logic and reasoning in the list of applications being removed.
And the knox app is embedded deep into the device's core framework, simply removing the app is doing very little to remove it in it's entirety.
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This is true. Knox is embedded deep into the system even bootloader removing the app will do close to nothing. Not putting down the work put into the script as it is indeed a time saver if you have spend a little time with Android. If not they can be turned off manually. As for the security holes. There will always be a way to root and mod. Oems have that to themselves. Take a look at our brethren over with verizon and att. Their devices are locked down tight and came like that out of the manufacturer. Our devices are unlocked boot loader wise. If they wanted to they would have locked our models too.
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Please avoid wandering into the philosophical world ........
Remember this ••• If you root the phone or customize it ••• then forget about security or other updates that come from the carrier or the manufacturer ......... by default you have agreed to abandon those updates ...... if they are important to you then, do not root and stay stock....... EASY
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Please avoid wandering into the philosophical world ........
Remember this ••• If you root the phone or customize it ••• then forget about security or other updates that come from the carrier or the manufacturer ......... by default you have agreed to abandon those updates ...... if they are important to you then, do not root and stay stock....... EASY
Post on topic, be kind , be respectful ........ thanks ~~~ oka1
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Also a very good point...:good:
Meh... A lot of the time, removing and freezing apps can be counter productive.
For example,mpdecision, which controls when cores come online, has calls to it embedded into Samsung's camera apk, and removing or renaming this file can negatively impact battery life when using the camera application because a lot of the time, oems don't build checks into their software. They simply expect the file to be present, and when it's not, it can create a loop and drain battery.
Unless you've gone through the entire system to look for references to the apps you're removing, it's best to simply freeze or leave them alone.
freeza said:
Meh... A lot of the time, removing and freezing apps can be counter productive.
For example,mpdecision, which controls when cores come online, has calls to it embedded into Samsung's camera apk, and removing or renaming this file can negatively impact battery life when using the camera application because a lot of the time, oems don't build checks into their software. They simply expect the file to be present, and when it's not, it can create a loop and drain battery.
Unless you've gone through the entire system to look for references to the apps you're removing, it's best to simply freeze or leave them alone.
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You are right about the mpdecision process and it makes common sense to not remove a process like that. The same can be said about different timers and alarm processes in the system and the list goes on.
Having said that, I would be more than happy to explain how each item on this list contributes to saving power or protects the system from being subjected to unwanted patches without compromising the integrity of it.
And finally, I have been already using this setup (even a more aggressive version of it) for a few days on my phone with excellent power results and not a single hiccup or force closed app. I have also constantly monitored the wake locks and background processes to make sure the situation you referred to does not occur. I would be glad to hear your feedback if you use it and find a different outcome.
Op, can you share me one with Gapps and debloating all stuffs which are not necessary (TMO Services),if you live away from US of A? It would be much helpful for people like me.
jhbalaji said:
Op, can you share me one with Gapps and debloating all stuffs which are not necessary (TMO Services),if you live away from US of A? It would be much helpful for people like me.
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There is a lot that can be taken out but every piece removes a bit of functionality with it. If you live abroad it is understandable to remove all TMO stuff but, for example, if you remove more Google stuff than this script does YouTube will stop working and maps becomes slower. Also, there are services like printers or widgets like flipboard etc that you may still want to keep. So to what extent do you want to debloat your system?
I had already debloated several apps but thought this could help a bit more with the battery. So far I haven't had any issues, crashes, etc.
Thanks for sharing.
Update: It causes Milk Music to not work.
dirtybudha said:
I had already debloated several apps but thought this could help a bit more with the battery. So far I haven't had any issues, crashes, etc.
Thanks for sharing.
Update: It causes Milk Music to not work.
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What is milk music? I don't have that app. Do you mean google music? Oh, you mean the one from the play store?
OK, Milk music is a samsung app. It needs the samsung account apps that are some of the things that this script disables. If you need your milk music back, run the enbloat script and you will have it back.
Yeah, I followed the instructions which were UBER easy. Thanks for that.
I figured it was related to that.
najoor said:
What is milk music? I don't have that app. Do you mean google music? Oh, you mean the one from the play store?
OK, Milk music is a samsung app. It needs the samsung account apps that are some of the things that this script disables. If you need your milk music back, run the enbloat script and you will have it back.
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Here is an example of how debloating can be beneficial. On an unmodified phone I set the brightness to about 50 percent and let the phone play a 720p video in a loop. I could get 10 hours of screen time. However if you look closely, Lookout has been busy in the background burning 13% of the battery. So if I had disabled it I would have arguably got another hour of screen time.
I love this scipt! As a laymen, all I have to do is import it via Rom Toolbox (Pro) to the sciprter--then execute. My device runs at least twice as well as before.
Thanks, OP!
cant wait to try this out
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Just wanted to put this out there for some original Note fans that might have been in the same situation I was in.
I looked at the Note 5 rumors and said i would never buy it , with no removeable battery , no sd card slot and no ir blaster. I was mad that Samsung wanted to copy the iphone "elegant" look. I was even more angry at all of the previous reviewers of the Note 3 and Note 4 who constantly complained about the fake leather look.(rat bastards are the reason the note looks like it does now , most note owners I know loved the original note looks) . BUT when I went looking at the other phones out , HTC , Moto X , Sony and the like , none of them satisfied what I wanted in a phone. I am really addicted to the S pen , and use it regularly. ATT has a 14 day return policy , so I said screw it I will buy the Note 5 and give it a chance.
I am glad I did , I have only had it a few days and man , this is a nice piece of tech. I dont really care for the glass look , but what the phone does is crazy!! Fast charge really took care of the removeable battery problem(it charges insanely fast) Battery life has been great , after turning off the bloatware apps (which was simple enough with out using any app). I spoke with both ATT and the Samsung rep , who said if the battery isnt holding charge good after a year , it would be warrantied and replaced.
Next I purchased the 32gb model , but seem not not need gobs of space at this moment. I take lots of pictures for both work and play , I will just have to be more focused on getting the pictures of the phone than I was before with an added 64gb sd card. I have an otg cable that seeems to work just fine with most thumb drives , so I think I will be fine without the SD card slot.
The IR blaster , is a true loss , guess I will have to use my Note 12.2 for remote duties now.
That being said , I was worried about getting this phone , but as of now I completely love it , and most likely will keep it until the Note 6 comes out.
nuclearrage said:
Next I purchased the 32gb model , but seem not not need gobs of space at this moment. I take lots of pictures for both work and play , I will just have to be more focused on getting the pictures of the phone than I was before with an added 64gb sd card.
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I'd suggest you consider using google's new "photos" app. It will auto-upload all your photos to a private "cloud", which acts as a wonderful backup. There's an option with it that allows unlimited storage space (for free.) While that might not be as good as a huge sdcard, it also has many advantages (including the ability to access your photos from anything with a web browser without screwing around with sdcards and cables.)
I've changed phones twice in the past week and all my photos are still there and available on my phone - without cables, backups, sdcards, etc.
I think the biggest drawback with the google photo app (when being used on the note5) is that samsung doesn't tie into it with their own gallery app... so anything that's ONLY in the "cloud" won't show in the samsung gallery app.
garyd9 said:
I'd suggest you consider using google's new "photos" app. It will auto-upload all your photos to a private "cloud", which acts as a wonderful backup. There's an option with it that allows unlimited storage space (for free.) While that might not be as good as a huge sdcard, it also has many advantages (including the ability to access your photos from anything with a web browser without screwing around with sdcards and cables.)
I've changed phones twice in the past week and all my photos are still there and available on my phone - without cables, backups, sdcards, etc.
I think the biggest drawback with the google photo app (when being used on the note5) is that samsung doesn't tie into it with their own gallery app... so anything that's ONLY in the "cloud" won't show in the samsung gallery app.
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Thanks , will have to check it out. I have been a little tinfoil hat on the whole cloud thing , but looks like everything is going that way.
Also , the samsung smart switch mobile app ..... THAT WAS GREAT !!!
garyd9 said:
I'd suggest you consider using google's new "photos" app. It will auto-upload all your photos to a private "cloud", which acts as a wonderful backup. There's an option with it that allows unlimited storage space (for free.)
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Yes, but not at the original resolution. So it's not a way to save photos whose quality you care about.
Flickr, on the other hand, lets you cloud-sync 1 TB of photos in full resolution, for free.
Gary02468 said:
Yes, but not at the original resolution. So it's not a way to save photos whose quality you care about.
Flickr, on the other hand, lets you cloud-sync 1 TB of photos in full resolution, for free.
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They are at the original resolution. Google does recompress them, but it's pretty good.. I haven't noticed any artifacts from their recompression.
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They are at the original resolution.
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No, they're not. If you upload at original resolution, you only get 15GB free at Google (compared to 1TB at Flickr).
Just look it up. Look under "How much does it cost?", and click on "Learn more":
https://support.google.com/photos/answer/6193313?hl=en
Gary02468 said:
No, they're not. If you upload at original resolution, you only get 15GB free at Google (compared to 1TB at Flickr).
Just look it up. Look under "How much does it cost?", and click on "Learn more":
https://support.google.com/photos/answer/6193313?hl=en
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Go ahead and read it yourself. I'll wait for you. BTW, being this is the "note 5" forum, read it in context of the note 5. Remember that the max resolution of the note 5 camera is 16 megapixel.
Back from reading?
Good. Google photo's does NOT resize photo's that are 16 megapixel or smaller. They DO resize larger pictures to 16 megapixels. They also will probably recompress all images uploaded.
Have a nice day.
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Google photo's [sic] does NOT resize photo's [sic] that are 16 megapixel or smaller.
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No, that's not what Google says. "If the camera takes photos with 16 megapixels (MP) resolution or lower, most stored photos will essentially look the same using either storage option." (emphasis added).
If you're satisfied with "most" photos looking "essentially" the same, then I'm happy you've found a cloud option that meets your needs. But people who don't want to throw away some of their photos' detail should be warned--especially since there's an alternative free option without that drawback.
Wow.... um... if I really care about the photos, I take them with my dslr and upload to deviantArt. Phone photography is just for quick and fun stuff. After looking into it, both Google and Flickr seem fine.
I'm on the same boat with this phone, I have the Note 1, and Note 3 which I use now and the no root has me on the fence about getting it. I can live without custom roms , and custom recovery, but I don't know if I can live without rooting it, I need ad blocker and root explorer, but hey maybe we'll get lucky and get it soon.
RoloRacer on Lollipop'ed Note 3
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I am on my second Note 5 and am once again experiencing a faulty device. The first device had a faulty WiFi module. This second device has these weird smudges under the screen only visible in sunlight.
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My first device was also faulty. It had a bad BlueTooth madule where the BlueTooth signal was very very week. My current device is now perfect.
roloracer said:
I'm on the same boat with this phone, I have the Note 1, and Note 3 which I use now and the no root has me on the fence about getting it. I can live without custom roms , and custom recovery, but I don't know if I can live without rooting it, I need ad blocker and root explorer, but hey maybe we'll get lucky and get it soon.
RoloRacer on Lollipop'ed Note 3
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I'm with you, this phone is great except I am really missing ad blocker and root explorer. Hopefully we get this thing rooted soon. Also I was reading the note 5 will be one of the first phones to get Marshmallow.
Bootloader locked. Knox'ed up bigtime. The AT&T Note 3 I traded for the Note 5 NEVER got true root, and they blocked the "sorta" root we had with an update.
Don't want to trash anyone's hopes and dreams, but the reality of the situation is the AT&T variant is 99.9% guaranteed to NOT get rooted. So if that's what you need to make you happy, don't get the AT&T variant. If you get the AT&T variant, don't do it with a false hope it's going to get root at some point.
You can disable some of the bloat with Package Disabler Pro, and there are a couple of ad-blocking apps you can get outside of the Play Store. That's the best you're going to do.
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You can disable some of the bloat with Package Disabler Pro, and there are a couple of ad-blocking apps you can get outside of the Play Store. That's the best you're going to do.
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Semi-forced into a non-rooted phone for work, also at the same time my MDL firmware'd S4 started acting up, so went ahead and made the plunge. It's a cool phone, but similar to above, the initial shock is not having ad-away, root call blocker, and tasker/ti-backup, along with a few other minor issues. But, I knew going in the ATT was crazy locked down, but requiring Good Word/Good Access made it a non-issue anyway.
I've bought Package Disabler Pro, and am looking for a decent non-root call blocker solution (other than adding to contacts and assigning silent ringtone), as well as backup needs. TiBack of course is out, but I've been reading about one called Helium that does basic backing up without root. Tasker will run without root of course but you loose Secure Settings root actions ie toggling GPS, Airplane Mode, lock screen settings, etc .
Also, oddly enough this damn Good Work app can trigger non-compliance even if not rooted - still working that out but some apps will trigger a wipe even on a non-rooted phone - Chainfire's 500pics is such an app, a very cool wallpaper changer. Not sure if it's reading the app dev as Chainfire makes a lot of root apps, or if the app itself might have some root strings that aren't used but Good picks up on, or what - but it kinda sucks.
I wish there was an app list of apps known to cause issues with Good and their compliance rules - each time it triggers I have to uninstall and get a new key. Luckily out Good Admin is a good guy, he gave me several keys so I can experiment some this weekend with some apps I haven't installed yet. Tasker, I *think* will be ok as long as I don't install Secure Settings, or at least I hope so. I have a ton of Tasker work and it would really suck to not be able to use it anymore.
Another thing I'm missing is profiles, I've run CM for so long that I guess I though every rom had them, but touchwiz not so much. May have to loo at a non-root profile app if I can get Tasker going... of course without root it may not even be useful...
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Semi-forced into a non-rooted phone for work, also at the same time my MDL firmware'd S4 started acting up, so went ahead and made the plunge. It's a cool phone, but similar to above, the initial shock is not having ad-away, root call blocker, and tasker/ti-backup, along with a few other minor issues. But, I knew going in the ATT was crazy locked down, but requiring Good Word/Good Access made it a non-issue anyway.
I've bought Package Disabler Pro, and am looking for a decent non-root call blocker solution (other than adding to contacts and assigning silent ringtone), as well as backup needs. TiBack of course is out, but I've been reading about one called Helium that does basic backing up without root. Tasker will run without root of course but you loose Secure Settings root actions ie toggling GPS, Airplane Mode, lock screen settings, etc .
Also, oddly enough this damn Good Work app can trigger non-compliance even if not rooted - still working that out but some apps will trigger a wipe even on a non-rooted phone - Chainfire's 500pics is such an app, a very cool wallpaper changer. Not sure if it's reading the app dev as Chainfire makes a lot of root apps, or if the app itself might have some root strings that aren't used but Good picks up on, or what - but it kinda sucks.
I wish there was an app list of apps known to cause issues with Good and their compliance rules - each time it triggers I have to uninstall and get a new key. Luckily out Good Admin is a good guy, he gave me several keys so I can experiment some this weekend with some apps I haven't installed yet. Tasker, I *think* will be ok as long as I don't install Secure Settings, or at least I hope so. I have a ton of Tasker work and it would really suck to not be able to use it anymore.
Another thing I'm missing is profiles, I've run CM for so long that I guess I though every rom had them, but touchwiz not so much. May have to loo at a non-root profile app if I can get Tasker going... of course without root it may not even be useful...
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You got call blocker baked in the phone settings. What for do you need root call blocker. Power toggles works better for toggles.
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ambervals6 said:
You got call blocker baked in the phone settings. What for do you need root call blocker. Power toggles works better for toggles.
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Actually yes I just found that soon after i posted, and have added numbers from my RCB backup. That was one nice thing about RCB, you could maintain lists, etc, schedules (not that I used schedules), etc. But baked in version should work fine for my purposes.
I'll look at power toggles - My situation is somewhat odd, in that my workspace is a protected data center with zero, and I mean zero cell service, gps signal, etc -so if you don't turn those off/go into airplane mode, etc it just eats up battery, so I have tasker profiles/task that autos detect when I'm arriving/leaving/etc - it's more complicated that as I'm aslo setting variables for other conditions/tasks that may fire based on location, etc. that but I won't bore anyone. Tasker made it easy, though .
Still on my first note 5 , no trouble at all.
For call blocking if you want an app I have had great luck with call control, huge blacklist that is community driven.
I have had no trouble disabling apps in the phone itself , including the kindle app. Didn't need to download an app to turn stuff off.
TouchWiz is pretty slick this time and really doesn't bother me at all. The themer that is built in works great and I am running a great dark theme. As far as rooting goes , I am 50/50. I gave up on it cause AT&T locks the phones down hard and partly because I really don't need a custom rom anymore. Most of the things I looked for in a rom are now on the phone stock. Even got the gear s2 to go with it and still get a days use out of battery, without any special apps or root.
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Actually yes I just found that soon after i posted, and have added numbers from my RCB backup. That was one nice thing about RCB, you could maintain lists, etc, schedules (not that I used schedules), etc. But baked in version should work fine for my purposes.
I'll look at power toggles - My situation is somewhat odd, in that my workspace is a protected data center with zero, and I mean zero cell service, gps signal, etc -so if you don't turn those off/go into airplane mode, etc it just eats up battery, so I have tasker profiles/task that autos detect when I'm arriving/leaving/etc - it's more complicated that as I'm aslo setting variables for other conditions/tasks that may fire based on location, etc. that but I won't bore anyone. Tasker made it easy, though .
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So no issues wit Tasker, which is good, but without secure settings it does limit it's use, ie no GPS, no Input Mode, No AP radios/mode, etc. Looking at AutoInput, but seems like GPS/Airplane Mode control is gone.. .