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O2 UK Say is illegal to unlock my XDA IIs

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I just phone up O2 UK Customer Service and I ask them for the Network Unlock COde and the Operator that take my call say is illegal to unlock your o2 mobile and you isnt allow to do that anyway
Oh my god.... LOL cant believe she say that.... she so stupid

weasley said:
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I just phone up O2 UK Customer Service and I ask them for the Network Unlock COde and the Operator that take my call say is illegal to unlock your o2 mobile and you isnt allow to do that anyway
Oh my god.... LOL cant believe she say that.... she so stupid
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If you bought the phone on a contract then she is absolutely correct.
When you buy the phone on a twelve month contract, then that contract forms a part of the sale. In other words, you havn't finished paying for the phone until the twelve months is up. Given that the phone is still, in part, owned by O2, they can put restrictions on your useage in their terms and conditions including preventing you using the phone on someone else's network. To change the state of the phone whilst it is still under contract it breaking that contract.
I'm afraid, if you want to use the phone somewhere else, you have to pay for the phone yourself! If you want someone else to help you pay for the phone (by getting it massively discounted on a contract) then you have to accept the restrictions that come with that - or wait for someone to create an unlocking utility

i bought it Sim-Free From THE LINK for £550 But is still locked to O2
so in other word the Phone isnt sim-free after all

weasley said:
i bought it Sim-Free From THE LINK for £550 But is still locked to O2
so in other word the Phone isnt sim-free after all
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In that case, I think you need to speak to the link, not O2.

It's not correct to say it's illegal.
Secondly, O2 don't own the phone. It's yours.
Thirdly, get on their case. Mither them, write to them and write a complaint to ofcom.

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i bought it Sim-Free From THE LINK for £550 But is still locked to O2
so in other word the Phone isnt sim-free after all
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In that case, I think you need to speak to the link, not O2.
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Been to THE LINK First then call o2
In the Link they say Is a O2 Device and you should contact O2 for the unlock code since the stock is came from O2 Directly

It is definitely not illegal to unlock a phone in Europe. In the US, it might fall under the DMCA, and be considered illegal.
Like Bassey said, the contract you signed might forbid you from unlocking the phone, but this would be a case for civil court. No operator would find it sensible to pursue individuals who unlock their phone unless this becomes a major problem.

LeSkip said:
It is definitely not illegal to unlock a phone in Europe. In the US, it might fall under the DMCA, and be considered illegal.
Like Bassey said, the contract you signed might forbid you from unlocking the phone, but this would be a case for civil court. No operator would find it sensible to pursue individuals who unlock their phone unless this becomes a major problem.
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The XDA IIs is not from Contract..... is supose to be Sim-free.... on my invoice is say Unconnect Sim-free O2 XDA IIs
so I should entitle to get the phone to be unlock since i am not commit to a contracy

As has been said already - if you have bought it supposedly sim-free from the link, then your gripe is with them as they are breaking trades descriptions laws by selling a sim-free unit when it is network locked.
In my understanding, no phone company would ever block you from getting a phone unlocked through their own channels as it is still revenue for them if they charge you. You are still tied to the contract anyway, therefore they know they will make money out of you either way.
The only way you may have trouble from the network is if you unlock independently, as they can then claim you have tampered with the handset and are therefore out of warranty should you have a fault with the unit.

The Link are definately out of order here. The problem is that you've bought it sim free, so you don't have a Service Provider. And the link are basically telling you to ring your Service Provider. ITS THEM!!.
To get a quick soluiton email your IMEI and proof of purchase to [email protected] and they will sort it out. They did for me.
JD

Ludicrous, really...
It seems that every time you speak to someone at O2 customer services you get different answers; it's verging on the ridiculous.
My situation is that I will be travelling to Montana in the US on business next month, but the city which I'm going to is not covered by any of O2's roaming network partners - information that I double-checked before contacting O2.
Armed with this knowledge, I set about emailing O2 support. I explained the situation, and the responses were as follows (edited for brevity)
Me: I'd like to SIM unlock my XDA IIs as I'm going abroad to an area that O2 do not have sufficient roaming partner network coverage.
O2: SIM Unlocking costs £15, but we don't unlock handests until after your 12 month contract is up.
Me: Hang on a minute, I'm locked into the contract for 12 months anyway, and on my O2 Max tarriff, you'll get at least £900 out of me for the duration. If I were to cancel my contract, I'd still have to pay O2 the remainder of my line rental and, if I didn't, you could but a global bar on the handset's IMEI... so where's the risk to O2?
O2 Yes, we confirm you've had your handset for less than 12 months; if you wish to cancel, you'll need to pay us for the remaining line rental. If you wish to use your handset abroad, you need to have international roaming activated. To do this, you will need to lodge a £100 deposit against your account, which is refundable after three months.
Me FFS! I never said I wanted to cancel, and my tariff already includes ITS (as published) and now you say I have to pay £100 to roam? Did you miss the part where I mentioned that you have NO PARTNER COVERAGE in the area which I'm travelling to?? Please escalate this issue to a supervisor.
O2 Hello. You have had your contract for less than twelve months. If you wish to SIM unlock your handset, you will have to cancel your contract, pay for any outstanding call charges and the line due for the remaining portion of your contract, plus a £15 unlock fee.
... at this point, I could kill... so I telephone O2 customer services instead.
I get told:
1. The O2 shop can do it for you
2. The O2 shop tells me they'll call customer services on my behalf
3. The O2 shop calls me and says "They say it'll cost over £900"
4. I call O2 customer services - again - and ask for a supervisor, and get told to contact O2 network services on a different number
5. O2 network services say they DO have partner coverage in Montana, and that this info is on their website... I'm not near a PC when I take this call, so I cant check.
I get to my desk, get to the O2 website and check for Billings, Montana, USA under international coverage. Guess what? No Coverage
6. I call O2 customer services again, thinking to myself that perhaps a lesser person would have resorted to mass-murder by now. I explain the situation in detail again, get told "can't unlock under 12 months yada yada" and then ask to speak to a manager. Two minutes of being on hold and then I'm told - "Right, we're organising your unlock code for you"
A half dozen emails and about 1 hour of 0870 calls to get there.
Compare and contrast this with my call to Orange to SIM unlock my SPV C500 yesterday:
Me Hello, SIM unlock yada yada
Orange Fine; we've requested the code and will call you for your £20 payment once we have it, which will be around 5 business days time.
I've had my C500 since August 26th... yes, five whole months
So, in summation
O2 = first to market with the goods, but crap support
Orange = late getting the handsets, but very little hassle

i totally agree with u
when i got my vodafone SE v800 with contract
i called the customer service the same day say i want a network unlock code .... they say fine there will be a charge of £25.... i say that fine no problem .... after they give me the code straight away no question asked
From taking contract out to un-sim lock mt phone take no longer than 15min
I usually dnt like voadfone bcoz there low coverage in my area but that time is the first time i prasie them

O2 also told me if was illegal to unlock my XDA II. Eventually (after speaking to several O2 representatives) they agreed to do it for £25 charge and said it could take up to 28 days to be applied.
At that point I downloaded the unlock utility and within 2 mins had a nice unlocked XDAII.
Seems to me the least hassle to get the phone unlocked !
cheers
Russ.

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A half dozen emails and about 1 hour of 0870 calls to get there.
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Hi.
Thought you may be interested in the following service:
http://www.registeredcall.com/?cat=2&subcat=1&compID=2
You call this 0871 number and record phone conversations. You can then download the audio file or send a link to the file if needed.
Use it when you are phoning customer services etc so you have a copy of what people have told you - very usefull.
I have no connection with the service - I just think its a handy tool to use.
Regards,
Ian Watson

russ said:
O2 also told me if was illegal to unlock my XDA II. Eventually (after speaking to several O2 representatives) they agreed to do it for £25 charge and said it could take up to 28 days to be applied.
At that point I downloaded the unlock utility and within 2 mins had a nice unlocked XDAII.
Seems to me the least hassle to get the phone unlocked !
cheers
Russ.
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Y'know, if someone out there had developed a utility to unlock the XDA IIs, I'd have done the same thing
Unfortunately time wasn't on my side here... it's less expensive for me to pick up a Verizon or Sprint pre-pay SIM for my XDA IIs than to go to the trouble of either
a) Purchasing a pre-pay mobile in Montana, or
b) Renting a handset for use whilst I'm there
I'd rather pay the £15 to O2, get a pre-pay SIM when I touch down, and alter my O2 voicemail to say "I'm out of the country; call me on +1 xxx etc. if you need me" for the duration of my stay. That way I'll retain all my important data on my IIs, be able to dial within the States when necessary without spending silly money, and call back to the UK to retreive my voicemail without it costing a packet.
The one feature of my IIs that'll get worked overtime is the built in WiFi; there's plenty of hotspots around so I might even take a look at Skype for those occasions I need to call

SIM FREE does not mean unlocked to all networks, it means the phone is sold without a sim, I know we assume that sim free means unlocked but that is not the case, if it was the case it would be advertised as open to all networks, crafty maybe but there is no onus on the the link to do any more for you.

I'm pretty sure in this case you could probably push them for selling it with misleading information.
I do appreciate what you're saying though and again, we dont have all the facts of how the salesman actually described the product to the buyer.

that's strange, i just got my xda IIi and then phone to the O2 customer service, they said that i have to pay 15 pounds, then they will send the unlock code to me within 14 days.

weasley said:
LeSkip said:
It is definitely not illegal to unlock a phone in Europe. In the US, it might fall under the DMCA, and be considered illegal.
Like Bassey said, the contract you signed might forbid you from unlocking the phone, but this would be a case for civil court. No operator would find it sensible to pursue individuals who unlock their phone unless this becomes a major problem.
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The XDA IIs is not from Contract..... is supose to be Sim-free.... on my invoice is say Unconnect Sim-free O2 XDA IIs
so I should entitle to get the phone to be unlock since i am not commit to a contracy
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This is OUTRAGEOUS!!!! "SIM free" generally means unlocked... so you're supposed to be able to use any wireless carrier... Even though the word "SIM free" word-for-word means "no SIM" and not necessarily means unlocked, the "SIM free" word has been widely used to indicate that a device is also unlocked.
It's clear that "The Link" is playing word games with its customers. This vendor is NOT TO BE TRUSTED AGAIN...

From what has been said (and not having seen your contract with the Link or the full surrounding circumstances) it sounds like:
1 Either the link is in breach of its contract/its obligations to you as a consumer under Sale of Goods Act (SOGA); or
2 You have an actionable remedy for misrepresentation against the Link shop involved (you would need to verify that there is no small print at the point of sale or alongside the demonstration phone defining exactly what sim free means/that you weren't informed of what this meant by the sales assistant).
Absent any definition of Sim free I think it is reasonable to intrepret this as available for use with any network.
Contract/Sale of Goods Act
There are certain terms implied into all consumer contracts by SOGA. The most important being that the phone is of satisfactory quality and fit for the purpose and as described. Important here is to check through the point of sale posters and leaflets etc (see above). Also when you were speaking to the sales representative did you make know to him or her that you would be making use of this phone with another sim. If you did then this puts you in a real position of strength as you will have expressly made a particular purpose known to the vendor. If not you still probably have a reasonable case that either the phone is not of satisfactory quality (given the manner in which it was described) or that there is an actionable misrepresentation.
Misrepresentation
There are 3 types of misrepresentation (innocent, negligent and fraudulent) with technically differing effects upon your contract. But leaving the legal technicalities aside, at the very least there is a good argument that there has been an innocent or negligent misrepresentation by the Link here aside from a breach of SOGA. Either way you are entitled to demand that the Link resolve this situation to your satisfaction or threaten to take them to the small claims court.
Conclusion
Where you get to, is do you want the phone? If yes, write to them and demand that they resolve this with 02 forthwith. State your legal rights to them as outlined above (remember to think about your particular circumstances). Alternatively if you don't get anywhere say that you will and pay the necessary unlocking charge to O2 and will seek a refund of this charge and your costs from the Link (keeping the Link notified in writing and retaining all paperwork and receipts). You can then take action against the Link (if necessary) to recover it.
If you don't wish to keep the phone, then return it to them and demand a refund immediately. Do not delay.
Finally, there are various helpful guides to your rights as a consumer on the government sites - see dti.gov.uk and look for sale of goods act. Remember that everything depends on the facts of a particular case.
Good luck
P.S Finally, having given some pro bono advice, I would appreciate some help in return from anyone who would be willing to spend 30 minutes on the telephone with me going through the upgrading process. Having read through Wiki I am getting lost with all the Dos commands root files etc. If anyone can, please PM me.
Thanks J

[Q] SIM Unlock

I basically got this phone because it is GSM and I plan on doing more traveling outside of the country. Its not worth getting the TP2 or BB Bold instead of my EVO, so I went with this instead. I wont be leaving again until January 1st, but I need to get this thing SIM unlocked asap. Anyone have one unlocked? How did you get it unlocked and what will it cost me.

Shoot me a PM. I can get you unlocked.

You know... it's cool that you developed a way to unlock phones and want to get paid for it, but you could at least lay out the other option: calling T-mo and getting the unlock code FOR FREE.

If you are a post-paid TMO customer in good standing, you can get one phone unlocked per line every 90 days for free. Call TMO customer care.

Yes after 90 days.
If you choose to wait. IF you want it now. me

It's not after 90 days. He should call them first and then come back to you if he doesn't want to wait (if he even has to wait). I believe the T Mo rep said you had to either paid the phone in full or be a customer for 40 days when I called.

I paid full and tmobile provided me the unlock codes 1 week after I got the phone. My G2 is unlocked.
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rhcp0112345 said:
Yes after 90 days.
If you choose to wait. IF you want it now. me
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I called TMO the day I got my G2. I had the unlock code the next day before lunch.

I called today and put my request in the the unlock code. The only reason I had to wait is I haven't paid in full for the phone yet. She said it would take about 24 hours. RHCP, I've seen you in so many threads pimping your ability to unlock people for $$$... pretty despicable if you ask me especially when it's easy to just call and get it for free.

I am not sure I would characterize offering an unlock code for a fee as despicable. He's not forcing you to use his service, just offering it. I chose to call T-Mobile and request it for free, but that being said, I have certainly paid for unlocking in the past.
My (unrequested two cents), call TMO and get the code emailed to you. If you are not eligible, playing someone to do it is also an option. There have been reports of the phone not connecting to any networks after unlocking. If you get the code from TMO, at least, you might have some recourse if you have to return the phone.

Understood, just the way he's doing it. If he said "Call T-mo, but if it's a long wait then I can do it.", then I would view it in a more positive light. Right now, it looks like he's hoping for some sap that doesn't know they can call T-mobile to get it will pay him for something they can get for free.

I'm guessing T-Mobile would just ignore my request as I'm not a customer...

I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think that's true. You should definitely call them.

[Q] SIM Unlock, Tmo not working with us.

My husband and I have switched to AT&T due to T-Mobile constantly messing up the bills. We have a bad balance. I know most of you are going to say that I will have to purchase a code, but I'm not looking to spend $20 - $35 dollars for some numbers. Is there a way I could if free from TMO?
They day we went into the store to set up a payment plan to fix our over due balances, they decided to lie to us a bunch of different times. They first said we could pay $40 to get it turned back, if we submitted our bank account info, we waited about ten minutes after we paid and then called back. We got a different person. My husband talked to them, asked why our service hasn't been turned back on and they had deleted the post-dated check that they just set up. They then proceeded to tell him he had pay all of it, up front, right then. So, we decided that we weren't going to deal with that, and left.
Would my brother (only person I know with tmobile) call and get it?
I just chatted (via internet) with Tmo, and they say I need the receipt proving that I bought the phone from them, so I can fax it. What? I wouldn't even have thought of keeping a receipt that long. Ugh I hate Tmo.

sorry to hear about your experience, at any case, just call them and ask them to unlock the sim for you. they will send you an email with instructions and the actual unlock code within a couple of days, for free. now if they ask you why did you want to unlock the phone, either tell them what happened or just lie to them and say you might be traveling abroad or something.

mess up the bill?
Honestly, was it T-Mobile messing up the bill or you neglecting to pay it on time? I've been with T-Mobile for over 8 years and I have never had a single problem with a bill. Several of my friends have also been with T-Mobile nearly as long and likewise no problems. I've always received the unlock code for my phones promptly after asking.

root the phone that way you dont even need to call them.

Eh, we got billed weird, I don't know how to explain it, but they werent very good with helping or working with us. Also hated their service, but oh well. We won't be purchasing an Unlock code. Husband wants an iPhone now, so no more worries.
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JennHTC said:
Eh, we got billed weird, I don't know how to explain it, but they werent very good with helping or working with us. Also hated their service, but oh well. We won't be purchasing an Unlock code. Husband wants an iPhone now, so no more worries.
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Yeah, AT&T is so welcoming for unlocked phones LOL!!!!!

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Mrdabbas said:
So I bought this note 3 from this lady on craigslist. Its a T-Mobile note 3. I specifically asked her if it was paid off and she said yes. Well as it turns out the phone isn't paid off. So I'm pretty sure it's going you be blacklisted soon.
My question is this; since T-Mobile provided me the unlock code for the device and the device is now factory unlocked. What options does that give me one the phone is blacklisted ion the near future?
PS: the presumably nice looking lady would reply to me.. Sad what people would do to get money sometimes...
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Do you have her saying it paid off in writing.
TWEAKED N3

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Do you have her saying it paid off in writing.
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TWEAKED N3
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Well I asked her if phone was under contract via text and she replied by said the phone is paid off in cash. But I went to her home and bought it and asked her again if it was paid off and she said it's paid off in full.. It's only after I found out it wasn't paid off that she disappeared.. And I also nearly saw her naked coming out the shower... So yeah...

Mrdabbas said:
Well I asked her if phone was under contract via text and she replied by said the phone is paid off in cash. But I went to her home and bought it and asked her again if it was paid off and she said it's paid off in full.. It's only after I found out it wasn't paid off that she disappeared.. And I also nearly saw her naked coming out the shower... So yeah...
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As long as u have text go to the cops make a report. Then call t mobile and tell them she told you in writing it was paid off. If anything you might have to do small claims court. But keep the text she sent you
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Mrdabbas said:
So I bought this note 3 from this lady on craigslist. Its a T-Mobile note 3. I specifically asked her if it was paid off and she said yes. Well as it turns out the phone isn't paid off. So I'm pretty sure it's going you be blacklisted soon.
My question is this; since T-Mobile provided me the unlock code for the device and the device is now factory unlocked. What options does that give me one the phone is blacklisted ion the near future?
PS: the presumably nice looking lady would reply to me.. Sad what people would do to get money sometimes...
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That's strange. T-Mobile usually won't provide unlock codes unless the phone is fully paid. Are you certain that she didn't pay the balance on the phone after you gave her the money?

Techngro said:
That's strange. T-Mobile usually won't provide unlock codes unless the phone is fully paid. Are you certain that she didn't pay the balance on the phone after you gave her the money?
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Note true mine is unlocked. All you have to say is your traveling and need to use other Sim cards
TWEAKED N3

They wouldnt provide code for s3 of kine when I was traveling cause I owed $80 on it.
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For future purchases for yourself and anyone for that fact, if you go to http://swappa.com/esn you can see if there is money owed or not. I only owe $23 on mine and it still shows via that link that its not paid in full.

droidkevlar said:
For future purchases for yourself and anyone for that fact, if you go to http://swappa.com/esn you can see if there is money owed or not. I only owe $23 on mine and it still shows via that link that its not paid in full.
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It's my understanding that the IMEI checker will only show if the phone is blocked or not blocked, but won't tell you whether the device is on EIP. Can you confirm that it actually says 'not paid in full' or something to that effect?

Techngro said:
It's my understanding that the IMEI checker will only show if the phone is blocked or not blocked, but won't tell you whether the device is on EIP. Can you confirm that it actually says 'not paid in full' or something to that effect?
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See attached showing its financed.

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See attached showing its financed.
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Ok thx.

BACARDILIMON said:
Note true mine is unlocked. All you have to say is your traveling and need to use other Sim cards
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i told them im traveling overseas and they sent me an email with the unlock code and i put an inactive sim card from another carrier and input the unlock code.... "success! phone is now unlocked"... so i check on swappa and it said phone is still being financed... what am i going to do with this phone?... the cops here in Oakland Ca get so many reports its nearly impossible to get anywhere with them. If its blacklisted and unlocked, what carriers can i use it on? should i just send it to my family overseas and see if they can make any use of it there?

Mrdabbas said:
i told them im traveling overseas and they sent me an email with the unlock code and i put an inactive sim card from another carrier and input the unlock code.... "success! phone is now unlocked"... so i check on swappa and it said phone is still being financed... what am i going to do with this phone?... the cops here in Oakland Ca get so many reports its nearly impossible to get anywhere with them. If its blacklisted and unlocked, what carriers can i use it on? should i just send it to my family overseas and see if they can make any use of it there?
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Have you tried calling T-Mobile directly and verified with them that this phone is still being financed?
If not, then you're good.
If yes, file a police report and take her to a small claim court. It's very easy to do this, no lawyer needed.

Swappa says my old s3 I still have is financed. But is not. I know I bought I t newm been paid off for 2 months. Looks like slow reporting.
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In what Country is this practice illegal? In the US I can take pictures of whomever I please doing whatever they happen to be doing in public. In Public, there is no reasonable expectation of privacy. Not challenge going your moderator status, but people misrepresent laws all the time.... like the Police do.

I was under the impression that the owner of the device has to call for the unlock code. The OP is saying he received an unlock code from T-Mobile for a phone registered to someone else? I'm also under the impression that you have to use a phone on T-Mobiles network for a certain number of days before they will provide the code.
Unlock requirements
We provide mobile device unlock codes free of charge within two business days (or provides further information about timing) for eligible devices.
Device eligibility is determined as follows:
The device must be a T-Mobile device.
The device must not be reported as lost, stolen or blocked to T-Mobile.
The account associated with the device must be in good standing.
You have requested no more than 2 mobile device unlock codes per line of service in the last 12 months.
The device must satisfy all the Postpaid or Pay in Advance (Prepaid) Unlocking terms outlined below.
Unlock Eligibility for Monthly Phones and Tablets
The device must have been active on the T-Mobile network for at least 40 days on the requesting line.
If the device was financed using T-Mobile’s Equipment Installment Plan (EIP), then all payments must be satisfied and the device must be paid in full.
If the device is on an account that has are under a service contract term, then at least 18 consecutive monthly payments must have been made or the account was migrated to Simple Choice no contract rate plan.
If the device is associated with a canceled account, then the account balance must be zero.
T-Mobile may request proof of purchase or additional information in its discretion and certain other exceptions may apply.
Unlock Eligibility for Pay in Advance (Prepaid) Phones and Tablets
The device has been active on the T-Mobile network for more than 1 year.
If the device has been active for less than 1 year, then the Pay in Advance account associated with the device must have had more than $25 in refills for basic phones or $100 in refills for smartphones or tablet since device first use date.
T-Mobile may request proof of purchase or additional information in its discretion and certain other exceptions may apply.
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Stepping out of her shower is hardly in public, and even in public there are laws regarding such actions. Keep this thread on topic or it will be closed.

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[Q] Carrier unlock T-Mobile s4

I have a T-Mobile s4, which is turned off due to non payment and I want to hook it up with another carrier. I tried the info given to unlock it but after I enter the number, it doesn't go to the screen shown on the video. Is there anything I can do besides pay T-Mobile?

Nope. I'm pretty sure that you have to have an active line to unlock.

purplekity415 said:
I have a T-Mobile s4, which is turned off due to non payment and I want to hook it up with another carrier. I tried the info given to unlock it but after I enter the number, it doesn't go to the screen shown on the video. Is there anything I can do besides pay T-Mobile?
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None payment of service or non payment on device?
Either which way your device is black listed. But if for non payment on device, technically device is stolen.
And either each way, this is probably a grey area to discuss on xda

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None payment of service or non payment on device?
Either which way your device is black listed. But if for non payment on device, technically device is stolen.
And either each way, this is probably a grey area to discuss on xda[/QUOTE
Hi, thank you for getting back to me so soon. It is off due to non payment of the bill and i put down half on the phone, so i guess its for both. I lost my job and could not afford to pay anything to anyone until i got my unemployment, anyway i wonder if i will have a problem restoring the service when i get paid? Thanks again.
denise
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ShinySide said:
None payment of service or non payment on device?
Either which way your device is black listed. But if for non payment on device, technically device is stolen.
And either each way, this is probably a grey area to discuss on xda
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I hope what you mean is that carrier locking of phones is borderline criminal. There is nothing morally wrong with unlocking your own phone. If you don't pay your electric bill, they don't confiscate your lights.
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mhannigan said:
I hope what you mean is that carrier locking of phones is borderline criminal. There is nothing morally wrong with unlocking your own phone. If you don't pay your electric bill, they don't confiscate your lights.
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Guess you dont understand what I meant by non payment on the phone. i.e. Tmos payment plan to pay off the phone. Which you are in a contract to pay off the device. And if you dont fulfill the contract....guess who legally owns it? Cant buy a car not pay the bank and say hey i dont bank with you anymore so now I own the car legally....

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Guess you dont understand what I meant by non payment on the phone. i.e. Tmos payment plan to pay off the phone. Which you are in a contract to pay off the device. And if you dont fulfill the contract....guess who legally owns it? Cant buy a car not pay the bank and say hey i dont bank with you anymore so now I own the car legally....
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Actually, it would be a little bit more like not paying your OnStar subscription fee and then having someone in a forum talk down to you like you stole the car because of it.
There is a huge difference here. The phone and the "contract" being intermingled with control over using the phone is nothing more than a tool to blackmail the customer into staying with the provider. T-Mobile's primary business is providing service for a monthly fee. I paid cash for my T-Mobile branded phone ($700+). But when I traveled abroad about a month later, they refused to unlock it because I had not had it with T-Mobile service yet for 40 days (although I have been with T-Mobile for at least a decade).
Like I said, when you don't pay your electric, they don't disable your lamps and your TV. They don't even come take your CFL bulbs that they subsidized. I get to use those bulbs with a windmill if I want to. When you don't pay your landline bill, they don't remotely disable your Panasonic cordless phone. If they COULD, they WOULD, but we wouldn't tolerate it. Unfortunately, there are people (like you) who have been lulled into thinking that this is OK when it comes to cell phones. Being a Senior Member, I think you should set a better example and use your critical thinking - and not simply imply that someone who didn't pay their cell bill shouldn't even be discussing it in public.
That was my point - indicating that you're not even sure if it should be discussed here is a bit dramatic - the guy isn't trying to screw anyone - just exploring his options. He paid for half of the phone up front, and paid for service for somewhere between 0 and 2 years. If anyone has been screwed, it's him by being held hostage.
A cell phone and a financed automobile are in different ballparks, my friend. I think you know that.
Mike

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Actually, it would be a little bit more like not paying your OnStar subscription fee and then having someone in a forum talk down to you like you stole the car because of it.
There is a huge difference here. The phone and the "contract" being intermingled with control over using the phone is nothing more than a tool to blackmail the customer into staying with the provider. T-Mobile's primary business is providing service for a monthly fee. I paid cash for my T-Mobile branded phone ($700+). But when I traveled abroad about a month later, they refused to unlock it because I had not had it with T-Mobile service yet for 40 days (although I have been with T-Mobile for at least a decade).
Like I said, when you don't pay your electric, they don't disable your lamps and your TV. They don't even come take your CFL bulbs that they subsidized. I get to use those bulbs with a windmill if I want to. When you don't pay your landline bill, they don't remotely disable your Panasonic cordless phone. If they COULD, they WOULD, but we wouldn't tolerate it. Unfortunately, there are people (like you) who have been lulled into thinking that this is OK when it comes to cell phones. Being a Senior Member, I think you should set a better example and use your critical thinking - and not simply imply that someone who didn't pay their cell bill shouldn't even be discussing it in public.
That was my point - indicating that you're not even sure if it should be discussed here is a bit dramatic - the guy isn't trying to screw anyone - just exploring his options. He paid for half of the phone up front, and paid for service for somewhere between 0 and 2 years. If anyone has been screwed, it's him by being held hostage.
A cell phone and a financed automobile are in different ballparks, my friend. I think you know that.
Mike
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Ahaha Okay so according to your logic, Everyone go to Tmobile Only put a down payment down then run off with the phone and you legally own it. Sounds so legit and logical. Their not going to unlock a phone they legally own because some one didnt pay it off. Or unlock your phone for you when you owe them money. Nor let you use it on their service under a different account. Why? Because everyone will just rack their bill up then just open a new account so they dont have to pay that racked up bill off. Obviously you dont understand how a business and contracts work. Hes not being "held hostage" he/she just isnt going to receive a service (ie unlock code) when he/she owes money.
Is but same logic. Dont pay your phone, no unlock code. Dont pay your note, No title. As far as your 40 day problem? (And its actually 90) No where lets you buy phones out right, unlock them right away and walk away free without service. They'd lose money and wouldnt be a service but just a cell phone dealer. If you want to do that go buy a factory unlocked which costs even more then one locked to a carrier then you dont have to worry about whinning and crying you cant unlock your phone when you dont pay your bill, fulfill a contract, or fulfill the terms of service you signed when you purchased the device.
Anyways you think its cool to unlock and "run off" with a phone that isnt paid in full and money is owed on, and I dont. We can just leave it at that.

OT but actually its 7 or 14 days service needed to get it unlocked once its paid in full, I don't remember exactly but its one of those. I called T-Mobile a few months ago and that's what they told me.. It might be a recent change