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NEED HELP:4800mAh Cameron Sino Battery and original 1620mAh battery problems!

first of all im sorry if this issue seems to be redundant to all....
im a bit confused to some of the post on this forum regarding this issue...
(so please bear with me...especially to the mods out there)
i do have this battery and it seems that it wont even last for atleast a day...
is this normal for this brand of battery or 4800mAh battery?
how long is the normal standby time for 4800mAh battery?
i also have an original 1620mAh battery and it even last longer than my 4800mAh battery..
can anyone here help me on what to do?
is there anyone in here can prove that 3200 or 1620 is much much better than 4800?
and one more question...i also have a 2 spare 1620mAh battery....
one of it turns off at 75% the other at 21%....
i've tried resetting them both but no of luck..still the same..
is there any other possible way for me to use them and drain them up to 0% or atleast 10%?
thanks in advance!

3200 will last twice as long as 1620; 4800 three times.
However, this is given they are all the same manufacturer. Some batteries are better than others. Cheap eBay batteries are known to give problems - however I have had good as well as bad one's from eBay.
Also, batteries will wear out after a while - I think suggested time is a year or two.
I have four 1620's which last from 50 minutes to 3 hours (constant useage with backlight on). My 3200 lasts 6 hours.
I find that whichever (fully charged) battery is in Uni when I upgrade ROM, will give accurate reading. The reading becomes inaccuate (turning off a x%) when I swap for different battery.

ROM Upgrade & battery
so your saying that when i upgrade or change rom..
1. the battery should be at 100% charge..?
2. and the battery that i used when upgrading should be the one to be used until it drains to 0%? coz when i replace the battery thats the time it will shut off at X%?
is my understanding correct?
if i may ask...what brand of battery would you recommend for a 4800mAh?
and would you recommend 4800mAh?
ive seen DUKE NUKEM's post..he's selling batteries right?im planning to buy 2 pcs of 4800mAh....but the problem is i dont have a PAYPAL account and im a bit confused coz some say 3200 is much better than 4800..and some say 1620 is the best...
thanks for your help sir jonny....

Yes, you are correct.
I don't have a 4800, so can't comment.
Anyone else got a recommendation?
The main reason that people prefer one battery over another is due to the size. Most people seem to like the 1600 because the Universal is fat enough without having a huge battery sticking out the back! Other people may be biased toward a certain capacity because they bought a duff battery.
Personally I'll use a 1600 and carry a spare sometimes... unless I know I'm going to need juice (for a plane trip etc) and I'll stick in my 3200.

what to do on batteries shutting off at x%?
sir jonny do you know a way on how to correct those batteries that shuts off at x%?
coz what im doing is
1.charge the battery to full
2.put an adhesive tape to cover the second connector of the battery
3.then drain the battery using my UNI or using 3 LEDs...
4.charge the battery again to full
the problem is that it still shuts off at x%...
some claims that this corrects the problem..
am i doing the right way or is there any possible way?
ive seen some threads regarding this issue but in my case it dont work..
ive got 3 pcs of 1620mAh with this problem..
thanks again for your help...

Did you charge it with your original charger? If not, you can't get 4800 mah.

rosscruz08 said:
sir jonny do you know a way on how to correct those batteries that shuts off at x%?
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Haven't we just been through this?

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Haven't we just been through this?
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ooops!sorry my bad....
anyway thanks for your help.

huysmall said:
Did you charge it with your original charger? If not, you can't get 4800 mah.
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im always using the original charger....but if your talking about the initial charging prior to shipping of the battery...i cant answer that because i bought that battery from a friend...and it is a second hand battery..but he told me that he just used the battery once and havent asked about what charger he used.

I have done some efforts regarding battery capacity measurement Just lookup this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5558383#post5558383

I would suggest stay away from the Sino Cameron batts. They simply suck. I have one 1650 and another 4800. Both not very up to stretch, especially the 4800. By all means it does NOT last three times as the standard batt. I'd say perhaps just about two times in reality. Perhaps not. I just keep seeing the batt level dropping fast. Plus the build quality is a real issue. Somehow the 4800 gets too fat and the batt cover cannot completely fit in the slot. Three times the size but just a little power boost. It's cheap, but now I regret having wasting money on them...
Then I switched to Momax. It's just a standard 1500. But it shines! Battery drains pretty slowly and stably (no sudden dropping). It's a bit more expensive than those crappy Camerons, yet it's worth the extra dollars.

Yes, right
It´s always better to go for the original one

soyabean said:
I would suggest stay away from the Sino Cameron batts. They simply suck. I have one 1650 and another 4800. Both not very up to stretch, especially the 4800. By all means it does NOT last three times as the standard batt. I'd say perhaps just about two times in reality. Perhaps not. I just keep seeing the batt level dropping fast. Plus the build quality is a real issue. Somehow the 4800 gets too fat and the batt cover cannot completely fit in the slot. Three times the size but just a little power boost. It's cheap, but now I regret having wasting money on them...
Then I switched to Momax. It's just a standard 1500. But it shines! Battery drains pretty slowly and stably (no sudden dropping). It's a bit more expensive than those crappy Camerons, yet it's worth the extra dollars.
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If you want a good battery for your Universal, I will suggest you to buy a 3200 mAh battery from ebay, it's the best

Which brand of 3200 batt do you recommend?

I have 2 similar 3200mah batteries but to speak frankly, I used them mainly at home and when I go out I take 2 1620mah batteries with me. The 3200mah is simply too huge & heavy - since the Uni is a big phone, people may find it funny if they see the overal size especially when you are putting it near your cheek when receiving/making calls! You can check this link - the seller also sells cheap 1620mah:
http://cgi.ebay.com/3200mAh-Extended-Battery-For-HTC-Universal-O2-Xda-Exec_W0QQitemZ270540854225QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPDA_Accessories?hash=item3efd7dd3d1

rosscruz08 said:
first of all im sorry if this issue seems to be redundant to all....
im a bit confused to some of the post on this forum regarding this issue...
(so please bear with me...especially to the mods out there)
i do have this battery and it seems that it wont even last for atleast a day...
is this normal for this brand of battery or 4800mAh battery?
how long is the normal standby time for 4800mAh battery?
i also have an original 1620mAh battery and it even last longer than my 4800mAh battery..
can anyone here help me on what to do?
is there anyone in here can prove that 3200 or 1620 is much much better than 4800?
and one more question...i also have a 2 spare 1620mAh battery....
one of it turns off at 75% the other at 21%....
i've tried resetting them both but no of luck..still the same..
is there any other possible way for me to use them and drain them up to 0% or atleast 10%?
thanks in advance!
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No bro!! Cameron Sino is garbage batery I did buy the samew batery and dont worksmy uni works like a stove and the batery drains faster.

3000mah battery

I'm looking at buying one of these from ebay, but the ones on ebay just have the battery and the back case. So how are y'all charging it? Just with it inside your phone and using a usb charger or something?

I charge my 3500 mAh battery inside the phone and the stock battery in an external charger.

I hope you mean Seido's 3500mAh battery, as I don't know any reliable manufacturer that produces a 3000mAh battery.
In any case, most people probably just charge them in the phone. But external chargers should be available.

dom085 said:
I hope you mean Seido's 3500mAh battery, as I don't know any reliable manufacturer that produces a 3000mAh battery.
In any case, most people probably just charge them in the phone. But external chargers should be available.
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I was going to type 3500mah, but at the time of the posting, in the accessories forum there was a post talking about 3000mah...so I thought it was 3000mah.
And also..I thought people said that the Evo wasn't meant to charge a battery of that size, so would that mess up battery life at all?

ms79723 said:
I was going to type 3500mah, but at the time of the posting, in the accessories forum there was a post talking about 3000mah...so I thought it was 3000mah.
And also..I thought people said that the Evo wasn't meant to charge a battery of that size, so would that mess up battery life at all?
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I havent seen an issue....but I did have to clear the battery stats to get it to charge all the way and get an accurate reading of battery life remaining

I have the 3000mah batteries from ebay. I charge them in my wall charger that I got with my 1500mah batteries, also from ebay.

Seidio 3500mah here , I charge in the phone . I get the initial drop when I unplug in the morning but the battery itself lasts way longer than stock . I dont have an external charger

how much size is added to the phone with this battery? I checked it out on youtube, but it made the phone look way to huge, bigger than i think the battery makes it...i distrust the videos because some videos with an Evo with a regular battery makes it look like its a toothpick...

I love my 3000mah ebay battery, and the ebay door looks much better than the seidio door. I get great battery life out of it, around 3 times as long as the stock battey. I charge it in the phone occasionaly(and wipe battery stats), but I get better life when using an external charger. For this I use my dock with the extra battery slot on the backside. My solo external battery charger does not charge as well as my dock. I just made a thread about it on PPCG and AndroidForums.

Anker 1800mah on Amazon

http://www.amazon.com/Anker-Batteri..._26?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1316372694&sr=1-26
Read an article in the HTC Sensation forums where many of the posters picked up an Anker battery as a "Why the hell not for $15?" deal and had generally positive results. Did a search and not only does Amazon sell multiple varieties of Anker batteries, but many of them have a ton of positive reviews.
Before all the battery naysayers jump in and shout "You can't get an extra 300mah in a stock battery! It's another chinese scam and it's probably only 1.03mah!" the Sensation people explained it as being noticeably thicker than the stock battery while still fitting snugly inside the battery door. A good 1mm thicker at least.
Anyway, bought myself a pair along with a car charger for $30 for two batteries, a car charger, and a USB charger. Will let you all know if its a huge letdown, or if the positive reviews aren't just Chinese robots blowing smoke up our you-know-what.

Hey can you do a favor? Install battery calibration app from market and tell us how many mV (Milli volts) it say when the phone is truly 100% charged.

interested in seeing how those batteries are
was about to buy one
keep us posted

I've read in some of the comments on Amazon that they work best when the wall charger is used, though that may be because the wall charger keeps it at 100% while charging inside the phone causes the battery to drain down to 90% if left on the charger after it reaches 100%. Of course, the battery monitor won't tell you that to keep Samsung's support lines from clogging.
Thankfully this is Amazon and not the overseas shipping I had to deal with with my last battery, so it should arrive (according to Amazon) somewhere between the 23rd and 28th. Will test it heavily with my current ROM and let you all know how it fairs.

rakeshchn said:
Hey can you do a favor? Install battery calibration app from market and tell us how many mV (Milli volts) it say when the phone is truly 100% charged.
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mV will not tell you anything about the capacity of a battery, only how close to fully charged it is.
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shrapnelx said:
mV will not tell you anything about the capacity of a battery, only how close to fully charged it is.
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True. If it's anything like the stock or mugen battery that I have, it'll cap out around 4250 for Froyo, 4200 for MIUI/Gingerbread.

Momax 1700mah is fine and chip.

Well, while discharging the first battery through normal use, I was actually getting a little frustrated that it was taking so long. Got about 24hrs out of it from wall charge to phone shut off, including about 8 - 9hrs of overnight standby.
Got the second battery off the charger and into the phone, and after about an hour it's still showing at 100% and 4100 - 4180ish millivolts.
Anyone, nothing is decided just yet. Will have to see how they hold up after the first 5 full charge and discharges that "sets" the batteries internal memory. Or whatever.
I thought these AOSP ROMS were supposed to drain battery, dammit!

Just about done "Breaking In" the new batteries. Two things: On the surface, they seem to last quite a while given the last time I tested the Mugen battery I was on Froyo and I'm now on MIUI.
From what I've heard, Gingerbread on the Vibrant, whether it's an i9000 leak like Malice or built from the ground up like Cyanogen 7 or MIUI, tends to burn battery faster than on Froyo. I'm also using different voltage settings, a different kernel... you all get the idea.
Apart from flashing back to Froyo, or completely redoing tests on my stock and Mugen batteries on top of the new Anker battery, whatever results I get will be a bit skewed.
Also, MIUI seems to allow the battery to get further down in power before shutting it off. Froyo would often cut me off around 3700, but I usually see MIUI showing battery power as low as 3300 before shutting down.

Your link points to the 2x package...if you look up the batt itself and read the reviews, most will tell you it's basically a cheaper oem replacement
http://www.amazon.com/Anker-1800mAh..._1_5?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1317360583&sr=1-5
Still a great deal at 11 bucks shipped.... by itself...and assuming it lasts...my original batt that came with my phone died couple of weeks ago... (less than 2hrs on a froyo rom...) had another oem that I'm using now..so far so good, but who knows...this seems like a great buy, but doesn't sounds like it's any kind of gain even with the 1800mAh rating...

Samsung Galaxy SII Touch batteries work in our phones. Tested.
They are 1800mah and can be found for $23 shipped. They are GENUINE Samsung as well so...it WILL be the advertised 1800mah. Just saying.

Even cheaper on ebay : http://www.ebay.com/itm/330601629006?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
Sofiz has the Pisen battery for SGS II 1659 mAh, will this work on the Vibrant?

just ordered one too, hopefully it works out

Some reviewers saying battery only charges with wall charger and phone shows unsupported battery message. Those who have the battery please confirm.

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Some reviewers saying battery only charges with wall charger and phone shows unsupported battery message. Those who have the battery please confirm.
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I think I went over that at least 3 times already. Battery is a perfect fit. Charging is perfect (USB computer and Wall plug in). EVERYTHING WORKS with it. I wish people would read the topic more. It's only 2 pages. . .

Only reason it wouldn't charge in your phone is if you owned a Fascinate, in which case, get out of our forums, punk!

Ordered one from ebay and pretty happy with it so far. Only had it a couple days so far though and still messing around with different roms and kernels so hard to say exactly how long of a charge i get with it.

Got mine today, charging now. Thanks!

Just recieved mine from amazon, and so far its been great !

I bought the two off of ebay that come with the wall charger. I'm getting much improved battery life right now. I'm very happy with them. Even though they do make the phone slightly heavier, it's worth it IMHO.

Just got my Anker 1800 mAh batteries. Now what?

I've read a few mixed opinions on draining the battery fully to ensure maximum charge potential or whatever. Can someone tell me what to do now that I have the dang things?
Also, I bought two, so if anyone wants to buy one send me a PM.

uhh full drain on a li-ion is BAD! just charge em and use em ..

I've read to get the best long term life out of your battery to try and keep it between 50% and 90%. No need to ever fully discharge or charge.
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I have been running mine for about 4 months now and its great. I can actually get a full day of heavy usage without it being dead before I get home.

My stock battery usually die in middle of the day if I use it frequently with wifi on all the time
Have been wanting to buy a new one. Any suggestion?

I bought two also, and they came with a cool external charger [for the batteries only]
I recommend keeping the 2nd battery, and always have one charged and ready to go. Great for long trips, as the gps seems to be a huge battery pig.
I'm very pleased with these batteries.

ReDaved said:
I bought two also, and they came with a cool external charger [for the batteries only]
I recommend keeping the 2nd battery, and always have one charged and ready to go. Great for long trips, as the gps seems to be a huge battery pig.
I'm very pleased with these batteries.
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I have them also but im not sure if you noticed that on the side of the wall charger it has a usb and micro usb to plug the phone in and be able to charge with the battery in the phone.

Another Gold 3500 battery review...slightly scientific

Wanting more battery life and having reading a few positive reviews about the Gold 3500, I got one from Amazon (UK). The numbers 3500 vs 2500 mah indicate I should get around 40% extra battery life compared to stock but having played with RC cars and helicopters running LiPo packs I know that pack ratings aren't everything.
Actual battery capacity depends on the discharge rate, the more juice you pull the less the effective battery capacity you get with a lot of energy wasted in heat due to internal battery resistance. Fact of life with batteries of all chemistry.
My original battery is about 6 months old now, charged daily from anywhere between 0-50% remaining. In day to day use the Gold does seem to last longer based on my 6 months experience with the original battery but how much better is it?
I charged the batteries in my phone and turned the phone off once it hit 100% but kept the charger on as it seemed to charge for a bit longer.
Using my RC battery charger, I used the discharge function setting the low voltage cut off to 3V (standard for lithium batteries) and set the discharge rate at a constant 300 mah. Using a constant discharge rate may not be realistic but it does allow for a fair comparison, keep in mind that our phones power usage jumps up and down depending on use.
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6 month old stock battery rated at 2500 mah = 2364 mah (which is what I would expect from a battery with 180 cycles on it)
Brand new Gold 3500 rated at 3500 mah = 2524 mah (a bit disappointing but at least as good as a new stock battery)
Now the discharge rate can make a big difference to effective battery capacity, it might be that the 3500 mah rating on the Gold batteries was determined using a very low discharge rate or they discharged it to below 3V.....or its just a gold wrapper over a stock battery
Interesting to note that the stock Sammy battery is pretty true to its rated capacity, so the perceived increase in battery capacity I experienced with the Gold battery is probably just the difference between a 6 month old battery and a new one.
Oh well, at least I have a spare battery now and didn't pay a fortune for the Gold. The Gold does seem to last a bit longer than the 6 month old stock on so I am happy enough with it.
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Gold battery had been in use for 2 weeks to run it in
Only one discharge cycle was performed
Could be that I have a dud battery, you results may differ
In real day to day use the discharge properties of the Gold may result in a higher 'effective' capacity
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It's a shame i've read this post only two days after buying me one of those. Anyway, even if it won't last longer, i'd still have a spare battery right? So everything is not lost

nope, its a shame they rate it 3500mah if this is the case for all.
Mignon, maybe your can get a replacement from thrm and test again. Especially if you have a dud.
Do notice I notoce a significant increase in battery life after charging it past 100%. Probably placebo, I dont know.

Don't think I have a dud, in my experience lion batteries either work or don't. It's not a crap battery, it's just as good as stock but doesn't match the advertised 3500 mah rating.
And it's shiny gold so things aren't that bad
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Well that sucks.....haha...i order a gold a week ago.....it should be here soon.....

I got 3500mah gold battery. I review it.
My rom is ultimate rom v5.1, and my stock battery was 11 months old.
Screen on time was always less than 4 hours.
Yesterday I got the gold battery, and I used it up to 1% without first charge, then I charged it 12 hours to initilize the battery.
So unpluged the charge, and tested it as the same usage. I always downclocked to 1000MHz, wifi on, no use 3g data, brightness is zero, bluetooth and gps is off. I downloaded 15 files and apps today, listened to music, did multi windows function, and almost used web browsing.
Now my battery is just 1%. Screen on time is over 5 and half hours. Obviously the battery was improved.
If official JB are released, the battery will be improved more.
But this is not made in Japan. This is made in China because Japanese is so strange on package.
Some of Chinese battery are so dangerous and may be fake, but this gold battery is good one.
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here are pics
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I'm satisfied with this.
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mingonn said:
Don't think I have a dud, in my experience lion batteries either work or don't. It's not a crap battery, it's just as good as stock but doesn't match the advertised 3500 mah rating.
And it's shiny gold so things aren't that bad
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I dropped my stock and it works perfectly till 55% then it dies. Gonna throw it away soon. So some of the cells could be damaged. Its not either they work or dont m8.

@Mingnon thanks for your effortful tests.
@eeynjae, what are all apps spreading around those icons in your notification bar ?

I am pretty sure most mobile 3.7v phone batteries are single cell, only the mugen styled battery extender jobs that require a different back cover run two cells in parallel.
Remaining capacity is usually just a function of cell voltage so it's strange that it should just tank at 55%. Battery protection circuits generally prevent discharge past 3.0 volts so not sure what it's going on there.
Either way it sounds like you need a new battery, wouldn't risk recharging a damaged cell...
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mingonn said:
I am pretty sure most mobile 3.7v phone batteries are single cell, only the mugen styled battery extender jobs that require a different back cover run two cells in parallel.
Remaining capacity is usually just a function of cell voltage so it's strange that it should just tank at 55%. Battery protection circuits generally prevent discharge past 3.0 volts so not sure what it's going on there.
Either way it sounds like you need a new battery, wouldn't risk recharging a damaged cell...
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yeah its strange. Stuff started to happen at 50, whrn restarting bat percentage dropped to 10-15%. Without restartingbit would go down normally in beginning. Now after using it some time and dropping it its 55%.
Its definitely it either works or doesnt.
Anyway I dont think it's single cell.

i have the same battery bought it a few months back i'am very satisfied....
it's not a 40% extra time even framework it designed to work with less voltage since after using it below 15% i notice always fake meter value, when you keep your phone asleep for half an hour you will notice an increase in percentage. not accurate but runs fine, its a spare and a great replacement i dont care if it's slightly powerful than stock at least its the same size for 4 extra hours.. i never needed to change case nor a cover of anything its great

Sorry for my off-topic question, but i see in this topic there are advised people recently i bought a noname car charger for my Note, (specs: output 5.5V DC, 800mAh) - is this charger good for the Note or it would damage it? (i read somewhere that the original car charger's output is 5V... this difference of 0.5V has any importance?) Thanks.

mingonn said:
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6 month old stock battery rated at 2500 mah = 2364 mah (which is what I would expect from a battery with 180 cycles on it)
Brand new Gold 3500 rated at 3500 mah = 2524 mah (a bit disappointing but at least as good as a new stock battery)
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Thanks for your time and efforts - your results are similar to my amateurish measurements performed twice and reported on the other 3500 battery thread. Having no device to test the actual capacity, I just used the continuous video playback in plane mode with minimal backlight. The time to full discharge was almost identical in both cases.

zetlorf said:
Sorry for my off-topic question, but i see in this topic there are advised people recently i bought a noname car charger for my Note, (specs: output 5.5V DC, 800mAh) - is this charger good for the Note or it would damage it? (i read somewhere that the original car charger's output is 5V... this difference of 0.5V has any importance?) Thanks.
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Nobody?

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Nobody?
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It won't damage your phone, but if you are going to use it as a gps while charging, it will probably keep dranig the battery, 800mah is not enough to charge it while screen is on and gps is running

baz77 said:
I dropped my stock and it works perfectly till 55% then it dies. Gonna throw it away soon. So some of the cells could be damaged. Its not either they work or dont m8.
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Some of the cells? Its a 3. 7v Li There is only one cell:silly:

i have been disapointed by this type of battery

hardtheory said:
i have been disapointed by this type of battery
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Why is that?
After i've received mine, i've never ran out of battery during my day. Definitively improved the usage of my phone.