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I need help deciding if there is something wrong or this guy is full of S#!T. I'm pretty comfortable with the Evo. I used mostly CM6, CM7, W2P2, & Warm Z nightly while just fiddling with others. I Recently sold my EVO on ebay here. Running Warm Z nightly still, it was pretty obvious it was Rooted. This guy buys it and doesn't even know how to make it usb storage or how to find it on "My Computer" in XP. Completely CLUELESS about rooting phones (but for some reason he still bought it..).
He took it to Sprint (instead of just calling in the EIM) and they noticed it was NOT a factory Rom. They said they couldn't activate it. I walked him through flashing the factory ROM from here. After doing this he claimed they still couldn't activate it over the phone, BUT he never really answered me when I asked what reason they gave for not being able to. He made it sound like it was a technical problem. He said they told him to return it and have me put on the original software (what we already did... minus un-rooting it)
I'm calling B.S. but wanted to know if there was anyone who knew the inner workings of Sprint and could enlighten me. Is there an actual reason I would not only have to put on factory rom, but also un-root it?
What do you think?
1) He's full of Crap
2) Technical Problem
*The WiMax keys were still there when I sold it. I did change the proxy settings using the MSL key but I figured that stuff was all reset when flashing the factory rom. It has RA-recovery.
You say the guy's an idiot... If the Sprint store asked him questions about the phone and he acted like a dummy, there's a good chance that the CSR thought the phone might've been stolen and they blocked it out.
I had a similar problem with Verizon once. Basically, all three of us (me, buyer, CS) had to three-way on the phone and tell them everything was legit before they released the phone from their death grip.
not sure how old this is but it sheds some light:
Per Sprint's TOS:
"Our Right To Suspend Or Terminate Services
We can, without notice, suspend or terminate any Service at any time for any reason, including, but not limited to: (a) late payment; (b) exceeding an Account Spending Limit; (c) harassing/threatening/abusing/offending our employees or agents; (d) providing false information; (e) interfering with our operations; (f) using/suspicion of using Services in any manner restricted by or inconsistent with the Agreement; (g) breaching the Agreement or failing to follow our Policies; (h) providing false, inaccurate, dated or unverifiable identification or credit information, or becoming insolvent or bankrupt; (i) modifying a Device from its manufacturer specifications; (j) failing to use our Services for an extended period of time; (k) failing to maintain an active Device in connection with the Service; or (l) if we believe the action protects our interests, any customer's interests or our network."
for those that hang around xda, we all know that rooting only enhances the experience, but Sprint is going to hang their hat on "modifying" the device and protect their interests
As long as the rom you are running allows you to successfully update the profile you can activate the phone.
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i dont think sprint would care... if it was rooted and rom or not...
for activiation... why would they care???? sounds very fishy to me.
boytoreckonwith said:
I need help deciding if there is something wrong or this guy is full of S#!T. I'm pretty comfortable with the Evo. I used mostly CM6, CM7, W2P2, & Warm Z nightly while just fiddling with others. I Recently sold my EVO on ebay here. Running Warm Z nightly still, it was pretty obvious it was Rooted. This guy buys it and doesn't even know how to make it usb storage or how to find it on "My Computer" in XP. Completely CLUELESS about rooting phones (but for some reason he still bought it..).
He took it to Sprint (instead of just calling in the EIM) and they noticed it was NOT a factory Rom. They said they couldn't activate it. I walked him through flashing the factory ROM from here. After doing this he claimed they still couldn't activate it over the phone, BUT he never really answered me when I asked what reason they gave for not being able to. He made it sound like it was a technical problem. He said they told him to return it and have me put on the original software (what we already did... minus un-rooting it)
I'm calling B.S. but wanted to know if there was anyone who knew the inner workings of Sprint and could enlighten me. Is there an actual reason I would not only have to put on factory rom, but also un-root it?
What do you think?
1) He's full of Crap
2) Technical Problem
*The WiMax keys were still there when I sold it. I did change the proxy settings using the MSL key but I figured that stuff was all reset when flashing the factory rom. It has RA-recovery.
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I had this happen to me when I sold a rooted evo last year, he can simply activate it online. And that's what I told the person I sold my phone to, to do and they got it activated. Some ppl should research what root is before they buy a rooted phone...
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I can't remember the setting but you need the msl number and go into one of the ## settings menu and you need to change the number to the phone number you want to activate.he can do it online through sprint support for a walk through.
i think u should have sold him the phone running the original rom even if it was rooted
craigbailey1986 said:
I had this happen to me when I sold a rooted evo last year, he can simply activate it online. And that's what I told the person I sold my phone to, to do and they got it activated. Some ppl should research what root is before they buy a rooted phone...
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No crap! Just got off the phone with him. He is an Ax Man - as in he cuts down trees. He bought it because it looked like it would be cooler than the EVO's his partners have....
elegantai said:
I can't remember the setting but you need the msl number and go into one of the ## settings menu and you need to change the number to the phone number you want to activate.he can do it online through sprint support for a walk through.
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Sweet. I'll try that. Do you know which menu? On our phone conversation 10 minutes ago, he said he's willing to ship it back to me to get working and then back to him. He is so clueless he can't even tell me WHAT they tried only that they couldn't get it to work. He was on the phone with tech support for over 2 hours I guess.
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Well, I made it pretty clear that it was rooted and highly modified. I guess my mistake was assuming people don't buy something they know nothing about.
I'll keep you updated...
This is what you need to do to fix this, I have the same problem./
( I meant your friend, not you)
You need to install the stock RUU.
Run it, and have it initialize, IT WILL ACTIVATE.
Then... after that, you can do a wipe and install CM7.
THIS PHONE WILL NOT ACTIVATE ON CM7 (OR ANY CM) ALONE, WITHOUT PREACTIVATING ON THE STOCK SENSE.
ALSO...He said the Sprint Tech guy did NOT ban the EMI and in fact verified that it was clear. He said it just would not activate on the sprint system...so maybe a profile update problem? Stock roms should be fine updating right? He downloaded the OTA #7 here from XDA from a direct link I gave him. I walked him through flashing it over the phone so I'm 95% sure he put it on there (5% hethought he successfully put it on). I guess we'll see.
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This is what you need to do to fix this, I have the same problem./
( I meant your friend, not you)
You need to install the stock RUU.
Run it, and have it initialize, IT WILL ACTIVATE.
Then... after that, you can do a wipe and install CM7.
THIS PHONE WILL NOT ACTIVATE ON CM7 (OR ANY CM) ALONE, WITHOUT PREACTIVATING ON THE STOCK SENSE.
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He already has OTA #7 on it...and sprint verified the EIM is clear. Profile update problem?
Interesting thread. For reasons in this thread, I've never been comfortable selling an unlocked device on ebay or similar... In fact, the last 2 phones sold on ebay some weeks back were reverted to completely stock condition. Once the sale is over/phone activated, I don't want to know or hear from the buyer ever again.
It would seem that reading and comprehension has become a lost skill these days. In the ad, you don't specify which rom, but do specify it's sense, so little reason why he couldn't just activate it online or over the phone. From what you describe, the buyer simply doesn't know any better or understands what rooting enables.
Maybe the lesson here is to sell it root/unlocked, but with a fully stock sprint rom installed. The image for whatever custom rom (sense or otherwise) you had previously tweaked to work best with the device is then included in the nandroid folder. This way, should you end up with an ignorant buyer, there is little excuse from sprint regarding activation. If the buyer decides to try your customized/tweaked rom, you can include instructions in the email how to do this. Maybe even include both images - stock sprint and custom roms.
Before going back to sprint, I would try walking him through the online activation process.
##786# has an option to completely wipe all the ota info from the device. Once the esn is associated with his account, he should be able to perform an ota activation using this method, or settings/about/update profile.
Does he have a Sprint account? If so, screw the CSR and activate the phone online via ESN.
Does anyone here think sprint can track if you were rooted???????
i also read someone's post said when they take your phone in to repair they have the technology to see if you ever been rooted even if you unrooted to get the repair.
but i dont really believe it
Any Opinions??
http://forum.androidcentral.com/htc-evo-4g/88600-can-sprint-find-out-if-youre-rooted.html
I'm sure that many carriers can check to see if you are rooted. Google is able to see if you are rooted, so why wouldn't carriers know? (Google is able to block movie rentals on rooted devices).
As far as the "technology to see if you unrooted", I am positive that they have no way of telling if you did such a thing. However, if you have some files on your external SD card such as removed Sprint apps, that's a dead giveaway.
Without getting out the tin foil hat theories, I'll agree and say it's possible... with a catch.
One thing: IF you are running a ROM that the device doesn't ship with, it should be easy to tell. If they can do that with simple over the air checks, I don't know or care.
Checking for the su binary. Several apps already do this (WoW Authenticator) and such. The presence of this binary alone is enough to tip someone off.
The bottom line is, who cares. It's not that big of a deal to carriers right now (so it seems). Just return the device to stock if you ever need service.
To answer your question: Yes.
About a month ago I had to return my EVO to the sprint store, left it rooted, and they could of cared less if it was rooted or not.
For a while I think they allowed it... I can only assume they were trying to figure out how to handle the situation...
When I had called into tech... they said they would charge $125 for rooted devices... No idea. There's disclaimers everywhere... you do it at your own risk.
Sprint can't track your rooting/unrooting.
There's no way they know unless you tell them or bring it in rooted.
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Go back and read that thread. There's also one here in the General forum just started today in which the OP says he's being canned because of rooting his phone. The background is he was also using a ton of data, and it may have been roaming data. THAT'S the issue. Root has nothing to do with it.
Whether they can or can't doesn't really matter. Sprint doesn't care if you are rooted. Yes, it voids your phone's warranty, but that's it. It's your phone, you can do what you want with it. And you can always unroot and bingo, you have your warranty back.
Trying to find a reasonable way to show that Rooting is worth to her.
Any ideas of how to?
And anyone have any issues after rooting?
Tell her it's on sale.
No problems rooting, but there are some who are blaming rooted kernels for sporadic loss of service, while others aren't experiencing that at all.
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Tell her it's on sale.
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THANKS sent your way for that line alone.
I forget how I talked my girl into letting me root her Evo. I think it was for Apps2SD and to open up more space for apps, obviously, that is no longer an issue. Unfortunately, she won't give up Sense. I had her try out cyanogen for a day and she made me flash her back to FreshROM.
It's funny though, I really couldn't find a true NEED to root this phone. It's pretty damn good stock. But that lasted about 10 minutes after root was achieved. Hate that bloatware!
If she don't need out don't do it. I rooted my dads evo bc he travels a lot and wanted wifi tether to his laptop. I didn't root my moms photon or sisters evo bc they don't really need
it.
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And anyone have any issues after rooting?
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you can't take it back to the store for warranty service if they know it's rooted.. at least most of the stores.
jirafabo said:
THANKS sent your way for that line alone.
I forget how I talked my girl into letting me root her Evo. I think it was for Apps2SD and to open up more space for apps, obviously, that is no longer an issue. Unfortunately, she won't give up Sense. I had her try out cyanogen for a day and she made me flash her back to FreshROM.
It's funny though, I really couldn't find a true NEED to root this phone. It's pretty damn good stock. But that lasted about 10 minutes after root was achieved. Hate that bloatware!
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Sammy allowed you to uninstall the bloatware without rooting, I have already removed the sprint crap from my device.
Khilbron said:
Sammy allowed you to uninstall the bloatware without rooting, I have already removed the sprint crap from my device.
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Some...but not ALL of it. The rest needs root to be removed.
rootxda said:
Trying to find a reasonable way to show that Rooting is worth to her.
Any ideas of how to?
And anyone have any issues after rooting?
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Some apps are so useful, they are almost necessary.
Roam Control - allows you to roam in an area with weak sprint signal - so weak that it's either constantly switching between 3g and 1x (huge battery drain), or even weaker, when it switches between sprint and a roaming carrier (dropped phone calls plus battery drain.)
By forcing a Roam Only mode, with a push of a button, you start roaming, usually with a strong signal from the other carrier and there's neither battery drain nor dropped calls.
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Sammy allowed you to uninstall the bloatware without rooting, I have already removed the sprint crap from my device.
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No, Sammy allowed us to remove about 15% of the crapware. With root, I can remove the other 85%.
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My wife has had 2 rooted phones now, the first was the hero which got rooted and flashed (cyanogenmod) to gain performance (its a dog with the stock ROM) and get the latest version of android.
She recently upgraded to the Evo and the only way she would let me root her phone and go back to cyanogenmod was if i could replicate the sense calendar widget which she loved (full month view). I ended up finding an app called calwidet from egg n stone which shows an agenda style widget but clicking on it takes you straight to google calendar with the familiar month view she was used to. So far so good.
I have my wife's phone running a stock rom that's rooted only. For her it's just about running apps that either require or work better with superuser permission... like widgetlocker, adfree, etc. It's also useful for removing alot of the crap that comes preinstalled.
I like keeping her phone stock and stable. It's not like she has a crappy phone that I need to hack to make it work right...
Are there any updates on an unlock method for 3.11.605.1? I'm having a pretty serious problem with streaming Internet Radio apps cutting out with the screen off after about 5 minutes. The app Data Connection Fix has helped out a lot, but I wanted to try out other ROMs to see if I can find 1 without this issue. It's such a shame that I'm having this issue because the HTC One seems like such a great phone. Unfortunately, streaming Internet Radio at work is the main thing that I use my phone for and my older Droid X2 on 3g outperforms this phone in that aspect. It's so sad a newer 4g device has this issue and makes me wonder if I should ever mess with another HTC device or Android device period. I wanted to get away from iOS, but I'm finding that almost every Android device I've been using needs to be unlocked/rooted to fix really simple features that should work right out of the box and with every update. The Bluetooth A2DP quality problem with most JellyBean devices has been a nightmare. That's what made me ditch my LG G2. I tried just about every custom ROM and music through bluetooth was horrible no matter what I tried, even on the newer KitKat ROMs.
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Are there any updates on an unlock method for 3.11.605.1? I'm having a pretty serious problem with streaming Internet Radio apps cutting out with the screen off after about 5 minutes. The app Data Connection Fix has helped out a lot, but I wanted to try out other ROMs to see if I can find 1 without this issue. It's such a shame that I'm having this issue because the HTC One seems like such a great phone. Unfortunately, streaming Internet Radio at work is the main thing that I use my phone for and my older Droid X2 on 3g outperforms this phone in that aspect. It's so sad a newer 4g device has this issue and makes me wonder if I should ever mess with another HTC device or Android device period. I wanted to get away from iOS, but I'm finding that almost every Android device I've been using needs to be unlocked/rooted to fix really simple features that should work right out of the box and with every update. The Bluetooth A2DP quality problem with most JellyBean devices has been a nightmare. That's what made me ditch my LG G2. I tried just about every custom ROM and music through bluetooth was horrible no matter what I tried, even on the newer KitKat ROMs.
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I'm pretty sure there's just a setting you're missing that keeps the radio from cutting out. I used to stream Sirius XM and had the problem but I remember getting it fixed somehow. If I think of it I'll let you know. And no, you can't gain s-off on 4.4.2. If you read at all on here, you'll know when you can.
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brholt6 said:
I'm pretty sure there's just a setting you're missing that keeps the radio from cutting out. I used to stream Sirius XM and had the problem but I remember getting it fixed somehow. If I think of it I'll let you know. And no, you can't gain s-off on 4.4.2. If you read at all on here, you'll know when you can.
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Could you please tell me what setting? I get great service where I work and haven't had a problem with any other phone. I even went to Verizon and got a new SIM card. I've tried everything, starting with factory resets and clearing the cache. I have sleep mode off, app data sync on, mobile data is not restricted or limited, I've tried with and without beats audio enabled. The audio cuts out about every 5 minutes for 5-10 seconds and comes back on, just to cut out again for 5-10 seconds every 5 or so minutes. It's very annoying. The only thing that really helps is the data connection fix app, but that's not 100% reliable. I even called HTC and Verizon about the issue and they are looking into it. I would have normally just tried a different ROM, but I'm unable to unlock/s-off/root my phone because I'm on 4.4.2(3.11.605.1). That's the only reason I even called them. I currently have my phone up for sale and I'm seriously thinking about switching my service to sprint. I'm tired of paying top dollar for used phones to keep my unlimited data on Verizon. For all I know, there could be a problem with the phone, but it seems like a software issue to me. Everything else works and runs great. It's just that streaming Internet Radio is the thing I use most.
Have you tried this?
http://androidforums.com/htc-one/732481-beats-audio-setting-interrupts-streaming-audio.html
https://twitter.com/TeamAndIRC/status/443850349678321664
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BhRaElEfD said:
Have you tried this?
Yes I've tried. It has nothing to do with beats audio. For some reason it just drops the data connection for like 5-10 seconds with the screen off every 5 minutes or so. I don't know if it's incompatible apps with 4.4.2 or 4.4.2 itself. It could also have something to do with the HTC sense software. It could just be the way this phone communicates with the Verizon towers. I have no idea and it's very frustrating. The last time I had a problem similar to this was when I had an LG Optimus V on Virgin Mobile and it would lose 3g and I would have to turn off the data connection and turn it back on. This is different, though, because I have 4G LTE all the time. There just seems to be a delay in receiving my data to where the Internet Radio cuts out before it signals for more data. Then by the time I receive more data, it's too late and the sound has already cut out. I did a speed test and I'm getting about 30mbps download and around 15mbps upload so I know I'm not being throttled. The only thing that helps is the data connection fix app.
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I did some more testing and I don't have any issues on WiFi and I don't have any issues if the screen stays on. It's only on cellular data with the screen off when I'm having issues. I noticed the Power Saving feature was removed in 4.4.2 and instead there's a sleep mode option. I have the sleep mode option off, but I'm thinking my issue might be because of a power saving bug in the HTC software for 4.4.2. If anybody knows anything about this, please post. Thanks
Think it will ever be unlocked?
I would SO much love to have airplay enabled on my HTC One. I came from iPhone, and have a full home surround sound based on Airplay, which I now can't use. Airplay is available only through a root application, although i have my phone on 4.4.2. Any thoughts on if and when this will ever be unlocked? Otherwise it's a huge reason for me to not have this phone...
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I would SO much love to have airplay enabled on my HTC One. I came from iPhone, and have a full home surround sound based on Airplay, which I now can't use. Airplay is available only through a root application, although i have my phone on 4.4.2. Any thoughts on if and when this will ever be unlocked? Otherwise it's a huge reason for me to not have this phone...
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Well it took beaups and crew about 1 month + to get 4.3 unlocked. Plus it seems more devs are having issues with 4.4.2 so it could be longer. At this point hope for the best and expect the worse.
I seriously don't know why all of these companies continue to try and lock out everyone's phones (and spend unnecessary money doing so) when someone will just outwit them almost every time. If a dev REALLY wanted this done right away it would be done! Point blank... It's a cat n mouse game and Verizon will lose. I just purchased an HTC One on 4.4.2 and have full faith that it will be cracked wide open anytime now. No one can stop somebody that is determined and smarter than the person who created the bottleneck. Here's hoping to a quick S-off method soon :victory:
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I seriously don't know why all of these companies continue to try and lock out everyone's phones (and spend unnecessary money doing so) when someone will just outwit them almost every time. If a dev REALLY wanted this done right away it would be done! Point blank... It's a cat n mouse game and Verizon will lose. I just purchased an HTC One on 4.4.2 and have full faith that it will be cracked wide open anytime now. No one can stop somebody that is determined and smarter than the person who created the bottleneck. Here's hoping to a quick S-off method soon :victory:
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It's not unnecessary money to them honestly. In Samsung's case they are trying to prove that their devices are secure enough to use for government agencies. Do you think they care that a few rogue hackers find exploits from time to time? No, they just need to convince some corporate goon that his e-mails to his mistress won't get intercepted. Speaking of the S4, it's been locked down now for about 8 months so I'd say they're getting pretty damn good at it. They have root I believe, but the bootloader is locked down tight on every S4 other than the very first firmware that came with the phone. I'm not sure what HTC's motivations are but I'm guessing they need to play ball with companies like Verizon in order to be able to sell their devices in the future.
Another thing that is hurting us is that Android itself is getting more secure. They are adding features that prevent exploits so it makes it harder for your average dev to find a way in. In the future we may be forced to buy developer editions to be able to do anything. That's worse case, but you never know.
Just like you I had "faith" that a developer would crack the S4 and I could finally have freedom. It never happened. It still hasn't happened. That's the main reason I switched to HTC. I'm not saying you should give up hope, but if you can't stand a phone to be locked down you should be looking into buying a different phone just in case...
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It's not unnecessary money to them honestly. In Samsung's case they are trying to prove that their devices are secure enough to use for government agencies. Do you think they care that a few rogue hackers find exploits from time to time? No, they just need to convince some corporate goon that his e-mails to his mistress won't get intercepted. Speaking of the S4, it's been locked down now for about 8 months so I'd say they're getting pretty damn good at it. They have root I believe, but the bootloader is locked down tight on every S4 other than the very first firmware that came with the phone. I'm not sure what HTC's motivations are but I'm guessing they need to play ball with companies like Verizon in order to be able to sell their devices in the future.
Another thing that is hurting us is that Android itself is getting more secure. They are adding features that prevent exploits so it makes it harder for your average dev to find a way in. In the future we may be forced to buy developer editions to be able to do anything. That's worse case, but you never know.
Just like you I had "faith" that a developer would crack the S4 and I could finally have freedom. It never happened. It still hasn't happened. That's the main reason I switched to HTC. I'm not saying you should give up hope, but if you can't stand a phone to be locked down you should be looking into buying a different phone just in case...
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Valid points! That's why I said "almost every time"... I really just need root and I would be happy but I switch devices so much that I probably won't even have the One (my 3rd HTC One) by the time it gets exploited (if) it does. And I do understand that Google has to close a lot of security holes so that they don't look like they are such a terrible company by allowing all of these terrible "viruses" into our phones which I have never had any issues with. I do agree with you though that we will probably all be buying dev phones sooner than later. Thanks for the insight!
Just another reason to leave Verizon and go get a Nexus device.
The note 3 is a great piece of hardware but it was a nightmare for devs I hope they backtrack on that with this one. Not getting my hopes up though.
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The note 3 is a great piece of hardware but it was a nightmare for devs I hope they backtrack on that with this one. Not getting my hopes up though.
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Probably...Maybe...Absolutely and most Definitely LOCKED.
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The note 3 is a great piece of hardware but it was a nightmare for devs I hope they backtrack on that with this one. Not getting my hopes up though.
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Of course it will be locked down!!! Us consumers never really OWN our phone that WE purchase!!! So tired of AT&T and others. I sure hope Geohot can bring us some towelroot
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Of course it will be locked down!!! Us consumers never really OWN our phone that WE purchase!!! So tired of AT&T and others. I sure hope Geohot can bring us some towelroot
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Root took a long time for the note 3 but in the end the real fight was and still is the bootloaders. No custom kernels means even with root all you get is basically a bunch of differently themed semi customized stock Roms to play with
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Root took a long time for the note 3 but in the end the real fight was and still is the bootloaders. No custom kernels means even with root all you get is basically a bunch of differently themed semi customized stock Roms to play with
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That's right. I gave up my AT&T note 3 for T-Mobile S5 just for the unlocked bootloader. Although I really would like to see the bootloader unlocked, I can kinda live without unlocked bootloader if I have at least root. I will no longer buy a phone if I can't at least get root. I always wait until root has been achieved before making any purchase. Gotta love HTC for not locking down, but I just don't like their phones that much.
99.999% sure the ATT version will have a locked bootloader. This means it will always be a cat and mouse game with root.
My advice is to wait and not pre-order anything yet. Let the dust settle and see which device will work for you and have root available.
1. You have to ask yourself how long do you normally keep phones? Can you afford to wait 6 months or more (or never if you accidentally take an update) for root on an ATT device you are going to have for 1-2 years?
2. The Tmobile version will most likely have an unlocked bootloader which means you never have to worry about root. It will also most likely work on ATT like the GS5 and the Note3 before it and it will have updates long after Tmobile and Samsung stop supporting it.
If you have Tmobile in your area and you want root it really is the best way to go and cheaper. Why not give them a try? The next best is a Tmobile device on ATT, and third, well.... forget about root.
I have the same very question.
Being on ATT, will the Note 4 be able to be Rooted, and even more important, allow Custom Recovery for ROM's ? If not, NO WAY I can get the Note 4. And Safestrap is not an option, that's a handicapped and gimped wannabe recovery.
Nice thing with HTC, they openly and officially allow their One M8 to have the bootloader unlocked directly through HTC's own website. I did just that with my ATT carrier One M8, and converted it to a GPE. Would like to see Samsung allow that too.
Without a doubt it will be locked.
Ikr! I had T-Mobile but we moved a few years back to an area where they don't have service really at all. I wish I could let them pay my termination fees and bring my four lines there I would save money too. Oh well..
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Ikr! I had T-Mobile but we moved a few years back to an area where they don't have service really at all. I wish I could let them pay my termination fees and bring my four lines there I would save money too. Oh well..
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Get the Tmobile device instead and use it on ATT. Don't be pulled in by the ATT Next hype\propaganda either. You still pay full price for the device. Why not get one that you actually own.
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Get the Tmobile device instead and use it on ATT. Don't be pulled in by the ATT Next hype\propaganda either. You still pay full price for the device. Why not get one that you actually own.
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Yeah I know I'm not falling for the next plan and all that crap not interested in adding more to my monthly bill. I thought about getting the T-Mobile version but I'm starting to just lean towards getting a nexus from google when the new one comes out. Hate to leave Samsung behind but I'm feeling like the time has come to move on
mircury said:
99.999% sure the ATT version will have a locked bootloader. This means it will always be a cat and mouse game with root.
My advice is to wait and not pre-order anything yet. Let the dust settle and see which device will work for you and have root available.
1. You have to ask yourself how long do you normally keep phones? Can you afford to wait 6 months or more (or never if you accidentally take an update) for root on an ATT device you are going to have for 1-2 years?
2. The Tmobile version will most likely have an unlocked bootloader which means you never have to worry about root. It will also most likely work on ATT like the GS5 and the Note3 before it and it will have updates long after Tmobile and Samsung stop supporting it.
If you have Tmobile in your area and you want root it really is the best way to go and cheaper. Why not give them a try? The next best is a Tmobile device on ATT, and third, well.... forget about root.
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Not a good idea. If you want the phone, go get it now. I remember very well that after someone root the HTC phone with s-off, they make it not rootable with it being s-off. It took many months and ransom money for hacker to find it get rid of the s-off.
chong67 said:
Not a good idea. If you want the phone, go get it now. I remember very well that after someone root the HTC phone with s-off, they make it not rootable with it being s-off. It took many months and ransom money for hacker to find it get rid of the s-off.
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Very, very bad advise. You are basically advising people to buy and hope that an exploit will be found, and it's a bad gamble at most. Have you gotten any recent Samsung phones? We aren't talking HTC here. Look at the Note 3, Galaxy S4 and S5 history. I'm not saying you shouldn't buy the phone. I'm saying you should not pre-order it or get it on day one. With the Tmobile note 3 it took a week and a half after release to confirm that it had an unlocked bootloader. At that point a custom recovery was ODIN flashable and root was forever available. It was even faster to confirm that the ATT version was locked down and as of today the bootloader has NEVER been cracked! No CM or AOSP! Only stock kernels are usable. The same with the ATT S5. The bootloader is still locked down. Root has been obtained through an exploit that has since been patched. So if you take an update you are screwed. A bootloader exploit for the latest samsung devices has not been found for the ATT S4, S5, and Note 3 for 1.5 years now.
I have a huge info thread over in the ATT Note 3 section if you want to read it.
My point is, wait for confirmation that a particular device is bootloader unlocked before you put down $750 on a device.
mircury said:
Very, very bad advise. You are basically advising people to buy and hope, and it's a bad gamble at most. Have you gotten any recent Samsung phones? We aren't talking HTC here. Look at the Note 3, Galaxy S4 and S5 history. I'm not saying you shouldn't buy the phone. I'm saying you should not pre-order it or get it on day one. With the Tmobile note 3 it took a week and a half after release to confirm that it had an unlocked bootloader. At that point a custom recovery was ODIN flashable and root was forever available. It was even faster to confirm that the ATT version was locked down and as of today the bootloader has NEVER been cracked! No CM or AOSP! Only stock kernels are usable. The same with the ATT S5. The bootloader is still locked down. Root has been obtained through an exploit that has since been patched. So if you take an update you are screwed. A bootloader exploit for the latest samsung devices has not been found for the ATT S4, S5, and Note 3 for 1.5 years now.
I have a huge info thread over in the ATT Note 3 section if you want to read it.
My point is, wait for confirmation that a particular device is bootloader unlocked before you put down $750 on a device.
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better advice! But you can certainly blindly guarantee that at&t is locked down.
Am I wanting Root for wrong reasons?
I have been rooting and installing custom ROMS for a few years now. All Samsung phones.
I'm growing tired of custom ROMS. While some are very solid, I have not tried any at all that don't have one problem or another. So, I'm hoping I can be satisfied with just rooting and maybe even staying on TW. I'll be trying to analyze the features I'd lose from Nova if I stay on TW, vs the TW features of the Note 4 I'd lose by going to Nova.
But my main question is do I really NEED root? I'm thinking I want it in order to do true backups (with more concern about data than backing up apps). I am of the impression that data backups may not be possible w/o root. True? Or, depending on App? I know that TIBU seems to want root...I've never tried to use TIBU w/o root.
Also, I use other apps that seem to work better with root, ie. Lightflow, TIBU, Tasker (a must), ES File Explorer, Gravity Box, Notification Shortcuts, Utter, Widget Locker, and others I suppose.
Seems to me I NEED root. Am I misinformed?
Maybe the T-Mobile version of the Note 4 is what I should look for.
ewingr said:
Also, I use other apps that seem to work better with root, ie. Lightflow, TIBU, Tasker (a must), ES File Explorer, Gravity Box, Notification Shortcuts, Utter, Widget Locker, and others I suppose.
Maybe the T-Mobile version of the Note 4 is what I should look for.
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Don't forget adaway, my number 1 use for root, and ya you should be looking at the tmo note. That's coming from someone who did it on the 3rd gen note.
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..., and ya you should be looking at the tmo note. That's coming from someone who did it on the 3rd gen note.
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I'll probably look into that. I typically take advantage of subsidy, but may be worth going with TMO. If the Note 4 had 4GB mem, that would make it easier to make the extra spend. I was hoping for a phone that I may be happy with for longer than 2 years. (Of course the root issue may be the driving factor for purchasing the TMO version, irrespective of other considerations).
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I have been rooting and installing custom ROMS for a few years now. All Samsung phones.
I'm growing tired of custom ROMS. While some are very solid, I have not tried any at all that don't have one problem or another. So, I'm hoping I can be satisfied with just rooting and maybe even staying on TW. I'll be trying to analyze the features I'd lose from Nova if I stay on TW, vs the TW features of the Note 4 I'd lose by going to Nova.
But my main question is do I really NEED root? I'm thinking I want it in order to do true backups (with more concern about data than backing up apps). I am of the impression that data backups may not be possible w/o root. True? Or, depending on App? I know that TIBU seems to want root...I've never tried to use TIBU w/o root.
Also, I use other apps that seem to work better with root, ie. Lightflow, TIBU, Tasker (a must), ES File Explorer, Gravity Box, Notification Shortcuts, Utter, Widget Locker, and others I suppose.
Seems to me I NEED root. Am I misinformed?
Maybe the T-Mobile version of the Note 4 is what I should look for.
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Totally agree with you on all points. Except not sure we "have to root". The Note 4 will be able to handle all "Bloatware" and still fly. Koush's Helium does a good job backing up apps/data. No Nandroid, but if you are not rooting and running the risk of soft bricking and needing to restore a Nandroid, they won't be needed. The cloud for Google will always be there to restore those accounts. The rest you can backup to your sdcard and pc. Not sure I need theming like Xposed offers. As, I am liking the stock look of the S5 which I am running on my S4.
That all being said I would probably get a TMO one on ATT if LTE runs fine and root/flash roms since it is in the blood at this point--
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rugmankc said:
..Koush's Helium does a good job backing up apps/data...
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Glad you posted this. I had not heard of Helium. I'll have to check it out.
One thing I like to be able to do is backup and restore just data. I'll have to see if that can be done. It's interesting that it doesn't require root, when everything else does.
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Just went to Play Store, and leaves me a bit confuse. The instructions are a bit confusing, as 1a says "Root user? You're done", then goes on to say to install on the PC, which implies to me if non-rooted, you must do backups to PC.
I'll go and read the Wiki.
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A few things that are discouraging, from the WIKI, re: Helium:
If you're using a non-root device, you MUST connect to a PC via the USB port of your device to enable ADB backup permissions.
In problematic applications, ALL Google Apps are listed
...you are using a non-root device, you need to enable Helium at every reboot of the device. This is a PITA
You made a backup to a removable SD card. Again, not advisable as mounting then re-mounting a physical card between devices is problematic for backups. Use PC Download, a cloud destination or device-to-device sync.
Those are just the issues I'm not sure I'd want to mess with. So, hoping to ultimately achieve ROOT.
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Glad you posted this. I had not heard of Helium. I'll have to check it out.
One thing I like to be able to do is backup and restore just data. I'll have to see if that can be done. It's interesting that it doesn't require root, when everything else does.
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Just went to Play Store, and leaves me a bit confuse. The instructions are a bit confusing, as 1a says "Root user? You're done", then goes on to say to install on the PC, which implies to me if non-rooted, you must do backups to PC.
I'll go and read the Wiki.
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A few things that are discouraging, from the WIKI, re: Helium:
If you're using a non-root device, you MUST connect to a PC via the USB port of your device to enable ADB backup permissions.
In problematic applications, ALL Google Apps are listed
...you are using a non-root device, you need to enable Helium at every reboot of the device. This is a PITA
You made a backup to a removable SD card. Again, not advisable as mounting then re-mounting a physical card between devices is problematic for backups. Use PC Download, a cloud destination or device-to-device sync.
Those are just the issues I'm not sure I'd want to mess with. So, hoping to ultimately achieve ROOT.
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You can try MyBackUp Pro from Play Store--Have used it for years. Assuming it updates for Note 4--sure it will. You can email them--