In conclusion, is it valid to say that the T-Mobiles Note 2 LTE Radio is more capable than AT&T's version?
When T-Mobile Enables Support for LTE on Note 2, can it be used with AT&T LTE for full 4G LTE speeds?
Does the Unlocked T-Mobile Note 2 work with AT&T's Proper LTE?
winlinmac001 said:
In conclusion, is it valid to say that the T-Mobiles Note 2 LTE Radio is more capable than AT&T's version?
When T-Mobile Enables Support for LTE on Note 2, can it be used with AT&T LTE for full 4G LTE speeds?
Does the Unlocked T-Mobile Note 2 work with AT&T's Proper LTE?
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T889 gets HSPA+ on T-Mobile & HSPA+ on AT&T (no LTE anywhere)
I317 gets LTE on AT&T and EDGE on T-Mobile (not sure if it actually gets HSPA+ on the new T-Mobile 1900 Band... ) anyone else can elaborate?
Any Hybrid modem out yet? Anyway to get AT&T LTE on T889?
Okay, I'll admit that a small consideration when I bought a T-Mobile Note II rather than an AT&T one was that the radio appeared more versatile in case I wanted to switch carriers at some point, but the primary reason was I'd wanted to check out T-Mo's HSPA+42 service, which is available where I live and work, while AT&T's LTE service isn't yet.
I see what TEKHD is trying to do in another thread, and I have that in mind as the ideal phone (dual-sim Note II with AT&T & T-Mo sims), but for most people, I think the best advice is just decide what service you want and get that phone.
If AT&T LTE is what you want, get the i317 and don't worry about trying to get a T889 to use AT&T LTE until someone else actually proves it can be done easily and reliably.
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T889 gets HSPA+ on T-Mobile & HSPA+ on AT&T (no LTE anywhere)
I317 gets LTE on AT&T and EDGE on T-Mobile (not sure if it actually gets HSPA+ on the new T-Mobile 1900 Band... ) anyone else can elaborate?
Any Hybrid modem out yet? Anyway to get AT&T LTE on T889?
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I am using an AT&T Note II, unlocked and on a T-Mobile prepaid 4g plan. I get HSPA+ where I live (Mesa Arizona). It will be interesting to see if I pick up T-Mobiles LTE when it rolls out in a couple months. :fingers-crossed:
probably not
Tmo isnt rolling out LTE.. They dont even have a FCC license for it yet.. not do they have an equipment vendor.
**The closest thing in the states we will see.. is integrated LTE use from the recently acquired Metro PCS sites.. there are not even rumors of Tmo integrating LTE into their switching system yet.. they dont have CO equipment to handle it either.. so.....
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Tmo isnt rolling out LTE.. They dont even have a FCC license for it yet.. not do they have an equipment vendor.
**The closest thing in the states we will see.. is integrated LTE use from the recently acquired Metro PCS sites.. there are not even rumors of Tmo integrating LTE into their switching system yet.. they dont have CO equipment to handle it either.. so.....
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You're kidding right ? They have been testing it for a while now and are using equipment and frequencies acquired from verizon.
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You're kidding right ? They have been testing it for a while now and are using equipment and frequencies acquired from verizon.
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No Im not kidding. I would have to say you are badly misinformed. VZW does not make or supply equipment. VZW uses the same Ericsson RBS cabinets [6601 LTE] as ATT and Metro PCS [metro was recently acquired by Tmo.. but Tmo cannot integrate LTE into their current CO technology without retrofitting].
*I am a heavily involved consultant for major carriers and contractors on the West coast.. Tmo here is going nuts adding new UMTS/HSDPA carriers and expanding sites.. there is no talks of LTE installs for 2013.. no project development yet for Tmo LTE in 2013.. Not a peep. Dont get your hopes up.. it still may develop later in the year though. Q1 is always miserably slow.
According to a Tmobile service rep lte is going to be rolled out with the iphone launch on TMobile.
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No Im not kidding. I would have to say you are badly misinformed. VZW does not make or supply equipment. VZW uses the same Ericsson RBS cabinets [6601 LTE] as ATT and Metro PCS [metro was recently acquired by Tmo.. but Tmo cannot integrate LTE into their current CO technology without retrofitting].
*I am a heavily involved consultant for major carriers and contractors on the West coast.. Tmo here is going nuts adding new UMTS/HSDPA carriers and expanding sites.. there is no talks of LTE installs for 2013.. no project development yet for Tmo LTE in 2013.. Not a peep. Dont get your hopes up.. it still may develop later in the year though. Q1 is always miserably slow.
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Than you better get further into the loop, cause T-Mobile is already testing LTE, and is launching it this year.
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Than you better get further into the loop, cause T-Mobile is already testing LTE, and is launching it this year.
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Assuming they can get an equipment contract from Ericsson.. who is already back-ordering ATT's and VZW's 6601 supply? I'm not saying they arent looking towards it.. but West coast Tmo would be very interested to hear if other markets are already field testing 700mhz [which to my knowledge they have not anywhere in the US at this time]. Lab testing maybe.. but field deployed LTE doesnt just get "tested" .. you have to launch an entire market - and that would be where...?
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Tmo isnt rolling out LTE.. They dont even have a FCC license for it yet.. not do they have an equipment vendor.
**The closest thing in the states we will see.. is integrated LTE use from the recently acquired Metro PCS sites.. there are not even rumors of Tmo integrating LTE into their switching system yet.. they dont have CO equipment to handle it either.. so.....
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So no lte ?? Have you read the tmobile news lately ???
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xcaliburpcs said:
So no lte ?? Have you read the tmobile news lately ???
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The city where I work already has had the LTE antennas installed last month, I saw it with my own eyes and I happen to work literally within 100 feet of the antenna site. The frequencies haven't been fired up for LTE, however the HSPA+ speed has increased dramatically with the new antennas, can't wait for T-mo to update my Note 2 with the LTE bands and the antennas to be activated to provide LTE. Now, if T-mo would give me anything more than EDGE speeds where I live I'd be even happier...
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Assuming they can get an equipment contract from Ericsson.. who is already back-ordering ATT's and VZW's 6601 supply? I'm not saying they arent looking towards it.. but West coast Tmo would be very interested to hear if other markets are already field testing 700mhz [which to my knowledge they have not anywhere in the US at this time]. Lab testing maybe.. but field deployed LTE doesnt just get "tested" .. you have to launch an entire market - and that would be where...?
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Ummmm... guy? Where have you been? T-Mobile has spent the last year refarming their network, moving their HSPA+ service to the 1900 MHz band so that they can roll out LTE on the AWS 1700 MHz band. The first market to go live will be Las Vegas which should happen within the next few weeks according to the CTO. This is all public knowledge and has been for some time. I don't think you're as in the loop as you think you are.
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Ummmm... guy? Where have you been? T-Mobile has spent the last year refarming their network, moving their HSPA+ service to the 1900 MHz band so that they can roll out LTE on the AWS 1700 MHz band. The first market to go live will be Las Vegas which should happen within the next few weeks according to the CTO. This is all public knowledge and has been for some time. I don't think you're as in the loop as you think you are.
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*derp.. we are crossing wires here. Im not discounting the work ongoing now.. just saying it doesnt add up to Tmo LTE in 2013
LTE for the rest of the nation will be months if not a year down the road still... I thought someone was eluding to full LTE launch. Test markets always launch first.. they represent only a tiny niche of the market. Because a carrier has functional signal in 2% of the national zone doesnt qualify them as an LTE vendor. They dont have the ingredients at this time to pull off nation-wide LTE in 2013.. period.
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*derp.. we are crossing wires here. Im not discounting the work ongoing now.. just saying it doesnt add up to Tmo LTE in 2013
LTE for the rest of the nation will be months if not a year down the road still... I thought someone was eluding to full LTE launch. Test markets always launch first.. they represent only a tiny niche of the market. Because a carrier has functional signal in 2% of the national zone doesnt qualify them as an LTE vendor. They dont have the ingredients at this time to pull off nation-wide LTE in 2013.. period.
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According to T-Mobile, from their talks at CES, they are going to be doing an enormous amount of LTE this year.
"They talked LTE a little bit, noting that they planned to have 100 Million folks covered by the middle of this year, 200 Million by the end of the year, and the rollout would start in Vegas in just a few weeks." androidcentral.com/t-mobile-talks-lte-mlb-voice-hd-and-more
Sorry, my account is new, so I can't post links.
No LTE on the eastern seabord, yet?
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*derp.. we are crossing wires here. Im not discounting the work ongoing now.. just saying it doesnt add up to Tmo LTE in 2013
LTE for the rest of the nation will be months if not a year down the road still... I thought someone was eluding to full LTE launch. Test markets always launch first.. they represent only a tiny niche of the market. Because a carrier has functional signal in 2% of the national zone doesnt qualify them as an LTE vendor. They dont have the ingredients at this time to pull off nation-wide LTE in 2013.. period.
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I see where you're coming from, and you seem like a knowledgable guy, but all T-Mo modernized sites that are using Ericsson's AIR (Antenna Integrated Radio) are LTE ready, so basically while they're modernizing and refarming their 1900Mhz sectrum for HSPA+, they're effectively deploying LTE Release 10 Equipment.
RBS 6601 cabinets are already in place here in NYC (which is already officially modernized) and we're basically 1900Mhz across the board. Fiber backhaul has never been an issue with T-Mobile.
Vegas and Kansas are about to be launched this month according to T-Mobile's CTO Neville Ray. Engineers have been testing LTE in modernized markets for months now, and it's just a matter of time when they make LTE commercially available.
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Haha cl3p20 is either totally in the dark or just making stuff up. I feel the flame wars.
No need to flame, we're helping each other.
Hsdpa+ currently works on att network as well
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We knew more or less that anannouncement of this sort*was coming. Back in July,*Dan Hesse had teased usface-to-face with the promise of a "great story this fall around 4G," and now the time to tell that tale has arrived. At its strategy event today, Sprint finally went public with plans to "simplify its network" by converting its CDMA 1900MHz holdings and LightSquared's 1600MHZ spectrum ("pending FCC approval") to LTE, anindustry favorite. Helping the operator make that transition is the swath of 800MHz spectrum it reclaimed from the, now defunct,*iDEN push-to-talk network*-- which had been a drain on the company's resources. This spectrum, acquired from Nextel, will be phased out by mid-2013 and rolled into LTE. The company plans for a rapid deployment of this new 4G, with the first LTE markets and handsets to hit in mid-2012 with the full rollout mostly completed by 2013. Current subscribers signed up for WiMAX plans won't have to worry as their devices will continue to be supported throughout 2012.Beginning tomorrow, Sprint's consolidating its 4G LTE (including LightSquared), 3G and Direct Connect networks into one single architecture. All the major technical milestones, such as test calls and field integration, have cleared their hurdles and work on over 22,000 cell sites are currently in process. Samsung, Alcatel Lucent and Ericsson have partnered with Sprint to install multimode 3G and 4G base stations to handle the network's future traffic, essential for deploying the multitude of frequencies required by hosted devices. Prospective iPhone 4S users on the network will be able to take advantage of better signal strength and improved voice service as Sprint intends to also offload the latter onto 800MHz.Expect a steep "reduction in roaming costs" and deeper signal penetration throughout the operator's expanding national footprint over the course of the next two years. Naturally, LTE speeds on this new network will be significantly improved over the currently in-use WiMAX, and a planned implementation of WiFi offloading should help to cut congestion by 20 percent. By the end of next year, Sprint aims to have a combined WiMAX/LTE population coverage of 176 million -- with 123 million covered by LTE and 76 million overlapping both. When the network build-out is nearly complete in 2013, the company should have over 250 million blanketed in LTE, far outstripping the stagnant 120 million served by WiMAX.
Source: http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...a-network-to-lte/&category=classic&postPage=1
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I really don't think Engadget and BGR are getting this right! It's not being converted to LTE - the LTE will be everywhere that 3G is, but its multimode architecture doesn't mean 3G is being replaced! They said they are "committed" to the 3G services long-term, and will be maintaining them. They pointed out how the enterprise customer is important, and demands at least 3-5 year stability.
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I really don't think Engadget and BGR are getting this right! It's not being converted to LTE - the LTE will be everywhere that 3G is, but its multimode architecture doesn't mean 3G is being replaced! They said they are "committed" to the 3G services long-term, and will be maintaining them. They pointed out how the enterprise customer is important, and demands at least 3-5 year stability.
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Yeah i agree ^^^
So am I safe with this new rollout with the E4GT?
3G speeds seriously blow ass here, and i get full bars
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So am I safe with this new rollout with the E4GT?
3G speeds seriously blow ass here, and i get full bars
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Yes, though you won't get LTE. Capacity is being increased everywhere, even for 3G.
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Yes, though you won't get LTE. Capacity is being increased everywhere, even for 3G.
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This is confusing. I read on Blog post in Sprint website that we would be supported for LTE 4G since will use 800mhz for this. I guess we can hope and see what finally passes.
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Yes, though you won't get LTE. Capacity is being increased everywhere, even for 3G.
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How slow is Sprint's 3G compared to other networks?
I have 114 kB/s down right now
Docarut said:
This is confusing. I read on Blog post in Sprint website that we would be supported for LTE 4G since will use 800mhz for this. I guess we can hope and see what finally passes.
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[Citation Needed]
LTE is only, at this point, a speculation on 800mhz. 1900mhz is first, then 1600mhz via LightSquared.
DonutGrunt said:
How slow is Sprint's 3G compared to other networks?
I have 114 kB/s down right now
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I've seen 1.8mbit and as low as shameful. I'd say 800kbit-1mbit on average. Not bad, not amazing.
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How slow is Sprint's 3G compared to other networks?
I have 114 kB/s down right now
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I had t-mobile up until this phone and t-mobile i was averaging about 3 to 6mbps down on their 3g on my nexus. I was also utilizing their hsdpa network as well.
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Docarut said:
This is confusing. I read on Blog post in Sprint website that we would be supported for LTE 4G since will use 800mhz for this. I guess we can hope and see what finally passes.
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Lte on 800MHz is different from our phones supporting the 800 mhz. Our only work on the network as far as cdma goes but we don't have a lte chip
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See now I don't know what to do. I was considering the ET4G or the Nexus Prime if it gets announced soon. But I'm wondering If I should stick with my OG EVO until LTE starts to roll out and see what phone comes then? My 3G blows along with 4G only getting like 2.5 down and I'm in Kansas City, right down the road from the Sprint Headquarters. I'm pretty disappointed in these speeds.
Iczer said:
See now I don't know what to do. I was considering the ET4G or the Nexus Prime if it gets announced soon. But I'm wondering If I should stick with my OG EVO until LTE starts to roll out and see what phone comes then? My 3G blows along with 4G only getting like 2.5 down and I'm in Kansas City, right down the road from the Sprint Headquarters. I'm pretty disappointed in these speeds.
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Sprint made it clear that LTE won't be of much use until late 2012, but they will be selling WiMAX phones through 2012 and supporting WiMAX for much longer. Also, watch for speed increases as they continue to increase backhaul as part of Network Vision.
What's most exciting about all this is the transition from EVDO to 1x advanced
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craigbailey1986 said:
Lte on 800MHz is different from our phones supporting the 800 mhz. Our only work on the network as far as cdma goes but we don't have a lte chip
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Thanks for the information. This from Sprint's Community Forum and comments muddy the water for guys like me.
http://community.sprint.com/baw/com...blog/2011/09/15/what-is-sprint-network-vision
Docarut said:
Thanks for the information. This from Sprint's Community Forum and comments muddy the water for guys like me.
http://community.sprint.com/baw/com...blog/2011/09/15/what-is-sprint-network-vision
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Read the Network Vision thread, and follow me on Twitter.
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Read the Network Vision thread, and follow me on Twitter.
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Will do. Thanks!
So will we see increases in 3G speeds? If so when should we expect this?
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So will we see increases in 3G speeds? If so when should we expect this?
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I've answered this about ten times already. Please read the other thread.
I get REALLLLYYY SLOW 3g speeds in Metro Detroit.. i average 0.1 - 0.3 Mbps...
DonutGrunt said:
So am I safe with this new rollout with the E4GT?
3G speeds seriously blow ass here, and i get full bars
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3G speeds having nothing to do with the antenna bars you see on your phone. It would make sense that if you have a strong cell signal, you should also have a strong data signal, but welcome to Sprint!
Okay, so I have my Galaxy Note 2 and here is the problem. I'm ONLY getting edge data. Now according to Wikipedia TMo's HSPA/HSAP+ runs on the 1900MHz band (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile_USA#Radio_frequency_spectrum_chart) which the phone is suppose to support. I assume I got the international version, though I got it from Newegg.com and it came with a US Charger and everything.
Can anyone help with this, is there a way to fix it, via any rooting means, etc? I'm ungoddly disappointed as I use my phone a LOT...i can't even use maps because I'm getting like 20K/s on Edge and that's just disgusting.
Unfortunately for you my friend the phone needs to support the 1700/2100 aws band. The international version that you have does not support it.
The best you can hope for is for tmobile to get there 1900 spectrum refarmed in your area to hspa+.
If I were you I would try sending the phone back and just get the Tmobile version when it's released tomorrow.
The only other option would be to sign up with at&T. You will get hspa speeds with them. Or buy the straight talk at&t SIM.
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busab said:
Unfortunately for you my friend the phone needs to support the 1700/2100 aws band. The international version that you have does not support it.
The best you can hope for is for tmobile to get there 1900 spectrum refarmed in your area to hspa+.
If I were you I would try sending the phone back and just get the Tmobile version when it's released tomorrow.
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Well.......damn...I can't afford to buy the phone straight out, I bought this one from Newegg using my bill me later credit card. So I didn't have to pay anything down either....this actually blows.
Is the wiki completely wrong? It says the 1700/2100 band is for LTE starting 2013. But the 1900MHz band began service in 2011. So are some areas of the US on 1900 and others on 1700/2100 still? Is there some where you can find out what band your area is on if that's the case?
Thanks for the update, btw.
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Well.......damn...I can't afford to buy the phone straight out, I bought this one from Newegg using my bill me later credit card. So I didn't have to pay anything down either....this actually blows.
Is the wiki completely wrong? It says the 1700/2100 band is for LTE starting 2013. But the 1900MHz band began service in 2011. So are some areas of the US on 1900 and others on 1700/2100 still? Is there some where you can find out what band your area is on if that's the case?
Thanks for the update, btw.
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There are only like 3 cities where the 1900 band will get HSPA+ on T-mobile.
Right tmobile is currently updating the 1900 band to hspa+. It is live in some areas like Las Vegas and parts of new york, while it is still in testing in many other areas across the country.
If you are not getting hspa+ speeds in your area I think it's safe to say it's not available in your area just yet.
This website shows areas where hspa+ has been spotted. But not officially live so they may not be available 100% of the time.
http://www.airportal.de/
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Well this makes me kind of sick to my stomach. I'll have to decide what I want to do. They are planning on rolling out LTE in 2013...so...maybe HSPA+ will be moved to 1900MHz soon. Because I'm really loving this phone and don't really want to give it back and not be able to afford the official TMo version.
Choices Choices....
I'll have to see what Tmobile will let me do as well. Guess this is the price you pay for trying to keep up >.>
T-mobile claims the 1900 mhz refarming would be completed by the end of 2012. Check airportal.de (sorry noobs can't post outside links) to see if you are near any refarmed areas then test just to see if the hspa+ radio is working on your Note 2. I get 7-11mbps DL and 2-3 mbps UL on my Note 1 when there is hspa+ coverage.
I'm waiting to for the T-mo version to launch which is what I'll probably get. I believe it will have a faster hspa+ radio at 42mbps compared to the the international version's 21mbps. And possibly future proofed with LTE.
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T-mobile claims the 1900 mhz refarming would be completed by the end of 2012. Check airportal.de (sorry noobs can't post outside links) to see if you are near any refarmed areas then test just to see if the hspa+ radio is working on your Note 2. I get 7-11mbps DL and 2-3 mbps UL on my Note 1 when there is hspa+ coverage.
I'm waiting to for the T-mo version to launch which is what I'll probably get. I believe it will have a faster hspa+ radio at 42mbps compared to the the international version's 21mbps. And possibly future proofed with LTE.
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Baratheonist - Are you referring to the version that's launching tomorrow? I can't get H+ to work consistently on my Note 1 (int'l unlocked) so I am looking at the T-Mo version as well.
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Baratheonist - Are you referring to the version that's launching tomorrow? I can't get H+ to work consistently on my Note 1 (int'l unlocked) so I am looking at the T-Mo version as well.
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For my international GNote 1 , I get Edge speeds in my place. Doesn't matter because I use the home wifi. The nearest H+ coverage is a mile away, which I drove to, just to test H+ and it worked and was consistent. It was in a mall with a T-mobile store in it. So I guess that factors in.
Even if the GN2 launches tomorrow, I will wait and see how it turns out with other users. No reason for Tmo not to support GN2 on its 42mbps H+..
Some claim 20-27mbps DL speeds on units that support 42mbpsH+. With that speed - it's even faster than my home wifi, I don't need to look for LTE now although future proofing is very much welcome.
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For my international GNote 1 , I get Edge speeds in my place. Doesn't matter because I use the home wifi. The nearest H+ coverage is a mile away, which I drove to, just to test H+ and it worked and was consistent. It was in a mall with a T-mobile store in it. So I guess that factors in.
Even if the GN2 launches tomorrow, I will wait and see how it turns out with other users. No reason for Tmo not to support GN2 on its 42mbps H+..
Some claim 20-27mbps DL speeds on units that support 42mbpsH+. With that speed - it's even faster than my home wifi, I don't need to look for LTE now although future proofing is very much welcome.
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Thanks for the info. The Tmo store next to my office confirmed it's in stock for tomorrow. Based on those speeds I would have no hesitation switching over from VZ since I'm off contract. I'm going to attempt to stick to my plan of waiting for Nexus 4 announcement.
Dont feel bad, im stuck with GT7000 5month from now which only got 2g onTmo but good news are Tmo keep update their 1900 spectrum like the other said.All we do now is patient ..
I did contact TMo today to find out about the GNote 2 being released tomorrow. The lady told me, at my local store, the projected price point is $699, which means I'd have to put down 299 to finance it for the 24 months >.> Not exactly looking forward to that. Then I will have to call another location to request the RMA for this international unlocked one.
I've used the Note 2 today on wi-fi all day and I have to say, I truly love this phone...hence the reason I'm willing to drop the cash on it at my local store. Though this is my first Phablet, I didn't get the Note 1, simply because I wanted to see where they went with it....I see and I'm impressed, now.
Sell your N7100. You should get at least $650 and go buy the T-Mobile version.
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Not gloating or nothing but i seen the note on even wirefly.com on the 23rd and still wouldnt buy it. After all the problems i have with tmobile customer service alone, i couldnt even imagine trying to get any help i wouldnt already know from their less than even sad customer service for a phone not bought directly from them. But lucky me knew that note 2 was going to be released online an hr after midnight pacific time in the u.s, and as of today i the happiest phone owner around,lol. the reason for my response, i stopped buying cell phones from anywhere but the company whom i will have service with due to the fact it's purposely not mentioned about compatibility so you have trouble returning it, cause they give you their old, " well it was in our 1000 page agreement you need a damn lawyer to go over. I also have a phone like yours but from verizon, a droid incredible 2 with many different bands, that i use once and a while for something different on my t-mo account, but once i step out the city, i cant even open something as simple as googles homepage cause i lose the 3g signal and drop to like -2g,lol. But the closer i get to the Illinois/Wisconsin border the 3g signal damn near runs on 4g speeds, and i even swear one time while driving the h symbol popped up but changed back to 3 really quick. But when im in Milwaukee, Wisconsin i get great 3g signal. Screw 2013 and waiting, just have whatever fun you can with it now via wifi seeing there will be no world after it ends on Dec 21st, 2012, lol. Edit: had to add it kind of sucked the phone was supposed to be 299.99 on tmobile which was supposed to be the highest selling price with the others projected to sell it for 199.00. But they sure as hell where happy to use us wanting this phone against us and charging 443.00 after tax just for the phone. And thats at the lowest price they possibly had on a 2yr contract.
Ive heard with root there's a mod or setting change to access Hspa+.
Anyone heard anything.
To OP...I still have my Sprint MiFi at $35/mo w/unlimited data,then
spend $30 on TMobiles prepaid plan. Doing that for now.
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For my international GNote 1 , I get Edge speeds in my place. Doesn't matter because I use the home wifi. The nearest H+ coverage is a mile away, which I drove to, just to test H+ and it worked and was consistent. It was in a mall with a T-mobile store in it. So I guess that factors in.
Even if the GN2 launches tomorrow, I will wait and see how it turns out with other users. No reason for Tmo not to support GN2 on its 42mbps H+..
Some claim 20-27mbps DL speeds on units that support 42mbpsH+. With that speed - it's even faster than my home wifi, I don't need to look for LTE now although future proofing is very much welcome.
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They are only getting those speeds as its fairly empty at the moment
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I'm having the same issue
Anybody wanna buy a intl note :/
When will they roll out LTE in NYC? Will LTE have better service inside Manhattan buildings?
My old phone was a metro pcs esteem LTE and I had better reception inside buildings than the. NOte II
With hspa. Does anyone know what's up?
No idea though it would be one of, if not the launch market since it's easily the largest market. DC-HSPA+ has (and still does) serve me well here in NYC so I'm in no rush for LTE.
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When will they roll out LTE in NYC? Will LTE have better service inside Manhattan buildings?
My old phone was a metro pcs esteem LTE and I had better reception inside buildings than the. NOte II
With hspa. Does anyone know what's up?
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It's possible the tower site from Metro is closer than from T-Mobile.
No idea, but I'd take a guess sometime around late summer barring them finding a way to use Metro's current LTE network. NYC is a big market so it's never one of the first networks to go live just because of it's sheer size and population density. Tmo will have to set up a lot of hardware for it if they can't use Metro's
Just my thoughts, should not be considered fact
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T-Mobile openly said that most MetroPCS DAS (distributed antenna systems) mostly installed indoor in major buildings are gonna stay and get repurposed for T-Mobile's LTE/HSPA+ network, so we should be getting great indoor coverage.
Definitely not first or second, that's kc and vegas
better indoor service thats great news
guys, don't get too excited over the metroPCS towers. the merger is not complete, and apparently delayed due to some suit filed by metroPCS customers. even without the suit, mergers take a long, long time.
Probably not for a while, tmo in the tristate could easily crash their system if they introduce it too early and not work out all the bugs
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I am looking to purchase the Note 2 and I have the option of Sprint or AT&T, is there any real benefit of one carrier vs the other for this particular phone?
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I am looking to purchase the Note 2 and I have the option of Sprint or AT&T, is there any real benefit of one carrier vs the other for this particular phone?
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Im pretty sure the phones are the exact same but with at&t your service may be better depending on your location. Sprint is behind on 4g and 4g lte coverage. Sprint has unlimited data and I don't think at&t offers that. So if I were you I would ask friends that live in your area to get their opinions or even google search and see if you can find any forums that tell about at&t coverage in your area. Hope I helped some!
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I am looking to purchase the Note 2 and I have the option of Sprint or AT&T, is there any real benefit of one carrier vs the other for this particular phone?
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They are the same I woukd go with sprint they are way cheaper and with a phone of this caliber you need unlimited. They are launching LTE pretty fast I got a great lte connection in Tampa Florida pretty much everywhere i go it suoer fast and consistent.
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Sprint also supposedly claims they want lte running anywhere 3g is eventually.... getting it everywhere I go anymore
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Im pretty sure the phones are the exact same but with at&t your service may be better depending on your location. Sprint is behind on 4g and 4g lte coverage. Sprint has unlimited data and I don't think at&t offers that. So if I were you I would ask friends that live in your area to get their opinions or even google search and see if you can find any forums that tell about at&t coverage in your area. Hope I helped some!
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Pretty much this.
DarkManX4lf said:
Pretty much this.
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I have an unlimited data plan with AT&T that I have had for years so it looks like I will stick with AT&T due to coverage
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I have an unlimited data plan with AT&T that I have had for years so it looks like I will stick with AT&T due to coverage
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Coverage is exactly what you should look at.
We have an att note 2 and a sprint note 2....equally fantastic. Coverage in my area is pretty much the same here, the wife just wants to stick with att since she has had them so long.
If one didnt have unlimited on att ...I would def look towards sprint
Is att still throttling after 5gb of use? Thats a huge factor on why I gave up my line
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Since AT&T throttles all unlimited data plans (except those that were grandfathered in) past 5gb/mo. But Sprint doesn't yet have the extensive LTE coverage that AT&T does. If you live in an area where Sprint has rolled out its 4G LTE network, or predominantly use Wifi, I'd suggest Sprint. On the other hand, if Sprint only has 3G in your home zone and you can't rely on wifi consistently when you need the higher speeds, AT&T may be the way to go. I've been with Sprint for nearly 15 years and don't mind waiting for their LTE network. (tho I certainly hope for sooner rather than later) For me, the bandwidth throttling on downloads over the 5GB/mo is a deal breaker. I typically use 25+GB/mo on my phone and Sprint never throttles by bandwidth.
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I can confirm no throttling by Sprint. Since getting the GN2, I''m using over 50GB of data per month. It's up from the 25GB or more when I had the Evo 4G and used 3G almost exclusive; I had access to WiMax if I went to certain towns. I live in area LTE, but it's not everywhere, so I bounce between both all the time.
The other big difference, Sprint is CDMA and has the simcard built in. ATT is GMA, which is used world wide. ATT may not have the simcard build in, and thus world travel friendly. Something to consider if you plan on traveling.
Beyond that, I would just look at your data usages, carrier coverage, and reliability.
Lastly, you do realize we're going to be bias to Sprint.
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I can confirm no throttling by Sprint. Since getting the GN2, I''m using over 50GB of data per month. It's up from the 25GB or more when I had the Evo 4G and used 3G almost exclusive; I had access to WiMax if I went to certain towns. I live in area LTE, but it's not everywhere, so I bounce between both all the time.
The other big difference, Sprint is CDMA and has the simcard built in. ATT is GMA, which is used world wide. ATT may not have the simcard build in, and thus world travel friendly. Something to consider if you plan on traveling.
Beyond that, I would just look at your data usages, carrier coverage, and reliability.
Lastly, you do realize we're going to be bias to Sprint.
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A slight correction here, the Sprint GN2 can be used "worldwide," but only in certain areas I believe. And you'll be paying out the ass for the service, as you cannot put a cheapy sim in there, you have to pay for Sprint's world service. Sucks
So yes if travel is something that you need to do with your GN2, ATT may be the better carrier. But you'll probably save a good $30 a month with Sprint, which is more than enough to cover a cheap burner phone purchase for when you're traveling. Keep the note on ya for wifi connectivity, use the burner for phone calls, save money
the above is correct that the phone as some kind of GSM radio in it. And that you pay a mighty fee to use it too. I wasn't thinking about that when I wrote my post. I know a lot people prefer to just sim card swap and be able to use the local, and cheap, service. Also, GSM is used workd wide. Whereas, CDMA is not. Some carriers in the USA used. There are a couple others carriers outside the USA, but they're far and few.
If you can hold out for Sprint LTE to get some decent nationwide coverage, go with Sprint. Unlimited data is CRUCIAL. 3G is manageable for now.
I would check with speedtest on an att and Sprint phone. Also check Sprint 4g lte coverage in your area. If they have it or are on list to get it then choose Sprint. Sprint keeps improving every week. But if it looks like Sprint won't be good for a while in your area and att is already good and you don't mind higher prices and tiered data then choose att.
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If you have unlimited At&T right now then by all means don't switch to sprint. My friend has a grandfathered at&t plan and im really jealous. Everywhere in texas that I actually have lte his speed test beats mine 15 mbs or more. His has 4g lte EVERYWHERE. I can't speak on behalf of the entire United States but as for Texas, you should go with at&t if you have unlimited.
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As I'm unsure where you are located, I'm sure this won't help you, but here is a Sprint lte speed test. At my house, just south of Baltimore.
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What's the coverage like in your area? How much data do you use? How much are you willing to pay?
If you do have "unlimited" grandfathered data, it is still throttled after a couple gigs, meaning you'd likely be better off with Sprint if they have the coverage.
Regarding price, Sprint is usually cheaper for family plans, but not necessarily for individuals.
My history with phones has been CDMA for over 15 years. Only now have I made the jump to T-Mobile and GSM. So I'm not familiar with how roaming is supposed to work.
The way I understand it works on CDMA is that the PRL file contains the list of preferred towers. When you are near a home network tower, your phone uses that tower. When home network is not available, but a compatible network is, your phone will roam to that network. Then with edits to the PRL or apps like Roam Control, you can force your phone to roam on another network (to the dismay of your provider).
With GSM I find that there is no app like Roam control. Is this true? But built into the settings, I see that you can scan for available networks. So I've done this and ATT is in the list. If I try to switch to ATT, it tries to register on ATT, but then gives some warnings and then tells me that it can't connect. Why is this? Is it just my phone or are do they all behave this way?
I've been in areas with the N3 where T-Mobile has no network (not even E or G) and the phone stays without a network connection. It does not pick up ATT when I see people with ATT service able to access data just fine.
Am I doing something wrong? How does this roaming on ATT work?
(if it matters, I'm on the stock rom rooted de la Vega)
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My history with phones has been CDMA for over 15 years. Only now have I made the jump to T-Mobile and GSM. So I'm not familiar with how roaming is supposed to work.
The way I understand it works on CDMA is that the PRL file contains the list of preferred towers. When you are near a home network tower, your phone uses that tower. When home network is not available, but a compatible network is, your phone will roam to that network. Then with edits to the PRL or apps like Roam Control, you can force your phone to roam on another network (to the dismay of your provider).
With GSM I find that there is no app like Roam control. Is this true? But built into the settings, I see that you can scan for available networks. So I've done this and ATT is in the list. If I try to switch to ATT, it tries to register on ATT, but then gives some warnings and then tells me that it can't connect. Why is this? Is it just my phone or are do they all behave this way?
I've been in areas with the N3 where T-Mobile has no network (not even E or G) and the phone stays without a network connection. It does not pick up ATT when I see people with ATT service able to access data just fine.
Am I doing something wrong? How does this roaming on ATT work?
(if it matters, I'm on the stock rom rooted de la Vega)
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It doesn't pick up ATT because the sim card you're using is a Tmobile one. You need an ATT sim card to use ATT service. GSM is not like CDMA in that way. If you have no Tmobile connection, you have no connection, there's no way around it.
Another reason that ATT doesn't work is that the phone is locked to tmobile's network. You cant use straighttalk, or at&t with it unless you get the unlock code.
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It doesn't pick up ATT because the sim card you're using is a Tmobile one. You need an ATT sim card to use ATT service. GSM is not like CDMA in that way. If you have no Tmobile connection, you have no connection, there's no way around it.
Another reason that ATT doesn't work is that the phone is locked to tmobile's network. You cant use straighttalk, or at&t with it unless you get the unlock code.
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Wait, wait, wait....
I was told that a difference between a pre and post paid plan was the ability to roam. This is domestic roaming, not international. So my assumption is that means when I look at a coverage map and see areas that are labeled as "service partner", this is where T-Mobile has agreements to poach off of ATT's network. So this wouldn't be available to prepaid customers, but should be to post paid. Isn't that true?
On CDMA, when I roam from Sprint to Verizon, there is an indicator that tells me I'm on a roaming connection. I still have service, it may be throttled, but service nonetheless. What happens when I go to a T-Mobile "Service Partner" area. Does it tell me that I'm roaming, or does it still say it is a T-Mobile connection? And shouldn't it connect automatically? And would it only roam on those "Service Partner" towers or would it pick up ATT in a T-Mobile area where T-Mo's connection sucks (say in a building where ATT works and T-Mo doesn't)?
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Wait, wait, wait....
I was told that a difference between a pre and post paid plan was the ability to roam. This is domestic roaming, not international. So my assumption is that means when I look at a coverage map and see areas that are labeled as "service partner", this is where T-Mobile has agreements to poach off of ATT's network. So this wouldn't be available to prepaid customers, but should be to post paid. Isn't that true?
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It will use the "Service Partner" network which (you're right) is usually AT&T but can be other smaller carriers as well.
And would it only roam on those "Service Partner" towers or would it pick up ATT in a T-Mobile area where T-Mo's connection sucks (say in a building where ATT works and T-Mo doesn't)?"
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This is the part that you're confused on. Tmobile will never do that. It will only switch to a partner network where tmobile has agreements to do so. So if you're in a building in San Francisco and there is no tmobile coverage, but there is ATT coverage, you're stuck with no service. But If you're in Montana, there is no Tmobile service but tmobile has an agreement with ATT to use their service, it would use it then.
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This is the part that you're confused on. Tmobile will never do that. It will only switch to a partner network where tmobile has agreements to do so. So if you're in a building in San Francisco and there is no tmobile coverage, but there is ATT coverage, you're stuck with no service. But If you're in Montana, there is no Tmobile service but tmobile has an agreement with ATT to use their service, it would use it then.
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I was afraid that was the answer. So instead of being controlled tower by tower on the device itself (with a PRL like CDMA), it is controlled tower by tower on the towers themselves?
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I was afraid that was the answer. So instead of being controlled tower by tower on the device itself (with a PRL like CDMA), it is controlled tower by tower on the towers themselves?
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Yeah but to be honest though in most areas its going to allow roaming because of the fact that there is a big metro area or widely known or h re any coverage area. Everywhere I've gone that I was roaming on AT&T network AT&T was big in that area. Like for example upstate New York its pretty much either Verizon or AT&T and I was roaming on AT&T near Dansville, Arkport, Etc... Buffalo and Rochester area great when it came to LTE.
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Yeah but to be honest though in most areas its going to allow roaming because of the fact that there is a big metro area or widely known or h re any coverage area. Everywhere I've gone that I was roaming on AT&T network AT&T was big in that area. Like for example upstate New York its pretty much either Verizon or AT&T and I was roaming on AT&T near Dansville, Arkport, Etc... Buffalo and Rochester area great when it came to LTE.
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But did those areas have any T-Mobile service at all? I was hoping that roaming meant att would pick up the T-Mobile holes around me (big holes in buildings). From what I'm learning, that will never happen. Unless there is some sort of trickery that can accomplish this I don't know about....
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But did those areas have any T-Mobile service at all? I was hoping that roaming meant att would pick up the T-Mobile holes around me (big holes in buildings). From what I'm learning, that will never happen. Unless there is some sort of trickery that can accomplish this I don't know about....
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In some areas I was getting edge, in other parts it would have no service at all and it would roam on AT&T.
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hdad2 said:
But did those areas have any T-Mobile service at all? I was hoping that roaming meant att would pick up the T-Mobile holes around me (big holes in buildings). From what I'm learning, that will never happen. Unless there is some sort of trickery that can accomplish this I don't know about....
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No, sadly there is no trickery or anything that can be used to roam on AT&T when Tmobile hasn't partnered with them.
hdad2 said:
But did those areas have any T-Mobile service at all? I was hoping that roaming meant att would pick up the T-Mobile holes around me (big holes in buildings). From what I'm learning, that will never happen. Unless there is some sort of trickery that can accomplish this I don't know about....
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Lol. To put it simply. If at&t allowed tmob users to roam on their network like you wanted, everybody would jump on T-Mobile and save some money. Those roaming agreements cost money. Usually these smaller carriers, T-Mobile included, figure the cost to profit to population density ratio and decide where they should buy roaming from bigger carriers. And I am sure this situation is very few and far between, but I wouldn't be surprised if Verizon and at&t have a handful of roaming agreements with sprint or T-Mobile in a few areas for whatever reason. And these would likely be in the Midwest, possibly northwest america since the pop. density can be so low in many areas it is more economical to for them to do that than build out. Remember the major 4 carriers we have now bought up a lot of smaller carriers on there way to being the major players they are now.
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Lol. To put it simply. If at&t allowed tmob users to roam on their network like you wanted, everybody would jump on T-Mobile and save some money. Those roaming agreements cost money. Usually these smaller carriers, T-Mobile included, figure the cost to profit to population density ratio and decide where they should buy roaming from bigger carriers. And I am sure this situation is very few and far between, but I wouldn't be surprised if Verizon and at&t have a handful of roaming agreements with sprint or T-Mobile in a few areas for whatever reason. And these would likely be in the Midwest, possibly northwest america since the pop. density can be so low in many areas it is more economical to for them to do that than build out. Remember the major 4 carriers we have now bought up a lot of smaller carriers on there way to being the major players they are now.
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Perhaps, but this is in effect how CDMA roaming works. It is not so specific as GSM apparently. Even in a sprint saturated area, if I was in a building where only Verizon was available, it would roam to Verizon. And knowing how it works means that prl edits make it possible to put the phone on the network you want (although it's a sure way to get slapped with charges or booted from the carrier of you abuse it).
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No, sadly there is no trickery or anything that can be used to roam on AT&T when Tmobile hasn't partnered with them.
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Wow, to the OP - I'm in the same boat; big wake up call! I'm coming from Sprint, who I'd been with since 2002... free roaming was their saving grace as I had service pretty much everywhere. In Colorado, this is huge in the mountains (Estes Park specifically for me). Switched to Tmo in January and couldn't be happier -- even used free international roaming for a week in Nicaragua and was blown away with how good of a feature this is! Decent data coverage nearly everywhere in a 3rd world country! Now here I am 60 miles from home and I have no service anywhere in Estes Park!
I tried the suggestion here, by a Tmo rep stating the Note 3 won't roam due to a 'bug' ( http://www.pocketables.com/2014/02/enable-data-roaming-t-mobile-samsung-galaxy-note-3.html ), but no luck. I do a search, try to connect, but it fails every time. See attached pics.
good explanations everyone, good info for starters