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In Q4, 2011, Google intend to combine Honeycomb for tables and Gingerbread for smart phones into one universal OS. Ice Cream Sandwich.
Developers will be able to account for all form factors within this same version of the OS. This seems to be the end of the OS fragmentation that has plagued the Android system since its release! The announcement has been made around the same time that Windows Phone manufacturers Microsoft announce a universal OS in the form of Windows 8, and Apple's iOS5, which means universal operating systems are the way of the future. But the question is, will the Defy get some?
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http://motoroladefy.com/index.php?/topic/247-ice-cream-sandwich-is-coming/
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/10/google-announces-ice-cream-sadwich-for-q4-2011-for-smartphones/
Guys I'm Really Excited!!!!!!!!!!
We may not even get Gingerbread (the leaked one is supposedly for developing for the defy2). I wouldn't get my hopes high for Icecream at all.
confusedfella said:
We may not even get Gingerbread (the leaked one is supposedly for developing for the defy2). I wouldn't get my hopes high for Icecream at all.
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no way man! telus just released a version of the defy a couple of months ago.we've got at least two more years of love coming!
i am hoping as well... but here in indonesia, not even gingerbread
There's absolutely no point in getting excited till there's even confirmation of getting Gingerbread.
Right, Q4 huh... so that's end of the year. Then add a few months of delays and small scale release, that's mid 2012. Then add a year on that for motorola being slowpokes with new releases.... that's mid 2013. I don't know about you, but as much as I love my defy I'll probably be having a new phone around then rather than getting excited over what will at that point already be old news.
SWAT AXEL said:
In Q4, 2011, Google intend to combine Honeycomb for tables and Gingerbread for smart phones into one universal OS. Ice Cream Sandwich.
Developers will be able to account for all form factors within this same version of the OS. This seems to be the end of the OS fragmentation that has plagued the Android system since its release! The announcement has been made around the same time that Windows Phone manufacturers Microsoft announce a universal OS in the form of Windows 8, and Apple's iOS5, which means universal operating systems are the way of the future. But the question is, will the Defy get some?
Source:
http://motoroladefy.com/index.php?/topic/247-ice-cream-sandwich-is-coming/
Source:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/10/google-announces-ice-cream-sadwich-for-q4-2011-for-smartphones/
Guys I'm Really Excited!!!!!!!!!!
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I dont expect an official version of ice cream for my defy, Just hope Quarx or some other developer would be able to port i.. I'm sure my defy would be compatible for ice cream as well..
Cederic said:
Right, Q4 huh... so that's end of the year. Then add a few months of delays and small scale release, that's mid 2012. Then add a year on that for motorola being slowpokes with new releases.... that's mid 2013. I don't know about you, but as much as I love my defy I'll probably be having a new phone around then rather than getting excited over what will at that point already be old news.
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Man you said the right situation in motorola process , BUT even if they didn't release it for defy , they might unlock the bootloader, like samsung galaxy S2.
tAKE lOOK Here:
Samsung Sends Free Galaxy S2 To Hackers For Inspiration
According to the company, it has already sent a free Galaxy S2 to the CyanogenMod team as part of the plan.
http://www.itproportal.com/2011/06/13/samsung-sends-free-galaxy-s2-hackers-inspiration/#8
so i hope we can wait for something cool later time.
It's still possible, when CyanogenMod 8 comes...
Maybe this?
Ok so maybe Motorola will launch a new Defy. This time more powerful. So we will buy it and have that with running Android 4 and this one as an old phone with CM version of the new Android tweaked for it.
I personally use 2 phones. Primary smartphone Defy and secondly a phone only Nokia (no camera, radio, internet). But i would like using 2 smartphones. Actually that is the future. So in my case i can wait for a Defy2 and than keep this as well
Keep in mind that a smartphone's life is somewhere between 2-4 years. Battery/hardware and software wise . But who knows the Defy can prove even more resistant ....
SWAT AXEL said:
This seems to be the end of the OS fragmentation that has plagued the Android system since its release!
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The current fragmentation issue has nothing to do with Tablet and Handset form factors. I understood fragmentation is about manufacturers putting too much layers on top of OS to make their own version of Android i.e. Sense, TouchWhiz, Motorla, and so on.
User experience is a science, now imagine how much damage these manufacturers do to an OS that no one would want to learn how to use them. That is why many people would want to use handsets from the same manufacturer. Android introduced a new market and after few years everyone involved realising the cons and pros of it as no one had the experience working in such market model before.
My prediction is... Most manufacturers will give up putting their own layers for three main reasons:
1. Manufactures eventually can't catch up with the progress of Android's development and it would become a complex and expensive process to have.
2. The cost of hardware will significantly will be reduced, that means smaller manufactures giving stock Android start stealing market from the big boys.
3. Future Android versions would become rich in user experience that the cost of putting layers on top of already a rich interface is no longer justifiable.
and hopefully with this, release of OS will be much faster due to the more vanilla usage of Android instead of each company spending time and money on 'fragmenting' the OS....and devs like the MIUI and CM guys (plus all the other solo devs) can start porting it over much faster and easier.....and leave the fragmenting and customising to the community!
true
but if each developer releasing their own os like miui and cmd and etc you will never have stability in the os.
thats why i always stick to the official os.
((consider Camera issues and AGps fixes plus notworking parts in os properly))
Ice Cream Sandwich will be released this October/November.. There's even a Nexus S shipped on EBay which has ICS!!!!! Here it is!!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3Pb6IyFvfg&feature=player_embedded
I'm really hoping to see it on Motorola Defy!!
Btw I noticed that all Android versions have a codename based on deserts..
Cupcake 1.5
Donut 1.6
Eclair (a cake) 2.1
Froyo (frozen yogurt) 2.2
Gingerbread 2.3
Honeycomb 3.0
Ice Cream Sandwich 2.4/4.0
lol
I think there will be a custom rom, but i don´t think we get it official.
Sorry for my bad English!
Julian
I don't think T-Mobile US Defy owners will ever see an official Gingerbread update, or anyone else for that matter.
Why would Motorola put one out when Defy+ is here? Defy team was moved to working on Defy+ long ago, that's why we still have a buggy official Froyo. They're just not working on Defy any longer.
They re-released the Defy calling it a Defy+ for the sake of a Gingerbread update. What makes you think they wont do the same for ICS. And ofcourse the Defy wont even get Gingerbread forget ICS.
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there is no question of getting official GB update in future. But I m sure there will be CM8 for defy
Anyway, CM8 sounds way better than a crappy ICS released by Motorola .
cannot w8 4 the ICS . even if our defy will not get an ICS update i'll buy a new phone
I upgraded from the Nexus S, after receiving the ICS 4.0.3 update on it, to the Galaxy Nexus. ICS on my Nexus S was running pretty much flawless. I had none of the issues some other users had.
Anyway, seeing how awesome ICS was I decided Galaxy Nexus was a must for me. Thus the problems began. While I'm not experiencing so many issues as other users do I'm sick of random reboots, freezes. And I'm on 4.0.2 that feels slower then it should be. Seriously instead of an upgrade I FEEL LIKE I BOUGHT A VERY EXPENSIVE DOWNGRADE.
I thought these issues will be fixed soon and Google will release the 4.0.5 update but it seems there is no word of that.
I was underwhelmed with stock performance, these phones beg for a ROM upgrade. CM is moving along much faster now with lots of the typical CM settings being added for ICS. Stable, smooth and fast. Nightlies are back. If you require a ton of customizations there are a few other good roms available that might sacrifice some of the stability and smoothness.
Point being, you'll like this phone
Another one of these threads?
You realize that the CM team would fall into the same problems that the Android team currently does. At last count, there have been just over 1,000,000 unique Cyanogenmod installs... There are 850,000 Android handsets activated every day, from different manufacturers, carriers, regions, etc..
Believe it or not, it gets very hard to support devices when that many are sold. By comparison it is easy to support 1,000,000 installs. A small fraction of which are actually updating nightly. As far as custom ROMs go, CM covers a large # of devices and does it well, but to assume because they can handle that they could handle running an entire phone manufacturer is laughable.
OP, massive leak on the next ICS update for the Galaxy Nexus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DksSPZTZES0
This is old news… Samsung hired Steve Kondik, the CyanogenMod founder...
zeekiz said:
OP, massive leak on the next ICS update for the Galaxy Nexus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DksSPZTZES0
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this should be posted as sticky as information to all
zeekiz said:
OP, massive leak on the next ICS update for the Galaxy Nexus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DksSPZTZES0
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now that was funny!
The problem is this:
Google has no balls. These companies are making bank on phones without any or very low software costs.
What is needed is a better end user experience and to get that they have to get fragmentation under control. It doesn't need to go away it just can't be the retardation that currently is Android.
They need to do the following:
User should be able to choose between AOSP and custom skins for every device. This ends the lack of updates and compatibility issues that crop up with sense, blur etc.
Custom skins and apps should all be uninstallable. No bloat if the user doesn't want it.
They need to get hardware variance under control to help developers with compatibility. Its getting crazy trying to support all these different devices. We need far fewer hardware revisions and a tad more uniform releases. No reason to have 20 different handsets every year complicating everything from drivers, app compatibility, updates etc.
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They need to get hardware variance under control to help developers with compatibility. Its getting crazy trying to support all these different devices. We need far fewer hardware revisions and a tad more uniform releases. No reason to have 20 different handsets every year complicating everything from drivers, app compatibility, updates etc.
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Clipped, but all of what you said makes sense, to me, an advanced n00b who may not have the technical insight to understand all the implications.
How many devices has ICS officially been rolled out for? 2, maybe 3 (sticking to phones here). Code has been out for ~5 months (?). Android is great, but its popularity has led to a plethora of devices with dramatically differing hardware and it takes a lot of work to make it work. To keep device manufacturers happy I'm sure this means sacrifices have to be made at the Google level in order for ICS to work on whichever strange collection of hardware components go into Phone X.
I wouldn't like to see hardware dictated across the board, variation is great, but it would be better if there were a very small collection of basic ingredients going into the cornucopia of phones, each with their own HW specs, often questionable.
I'm happy I used plethora and cornucopia in the same post.
Hello, guys!
Can somebody please tell me, which one is the latest Android generation with working FM radio for Arc?
Is it CM9 or CM10 and with which radio apk is FM radio working? Spirit FM or some other app?
Is any chance to have working FM radio in Android KK?
Thanks for the info in advance!
Since there is no answer on my first question, let's ask you another way - is there any chance to compile a fully working Kit Kat ROM with 2.6 kernel, with FM radio working?
Upto 4.1.2 almost every rom has radio working with 2.6 kernel, no fm radio with 3.++ kernel
KK will not work on 2.6xx kernel, you will need kernel 3.xx which does not have FM radio due to no driver support from the chipset manufacturer.
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popthosegaskets said:
KK will not work on 2.6xx kernel, you will need kernel 3.xx which does not have FM radio due to no driver support from the chipset manufacturer.
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That's pretty poor to read and to know. A friend of mine, owner of the Samsung Galaxy S3 just got an official update to Jelly bean, expecting a new one to Kit Kat, and Sony leaves their flagman phone's users without support and with unofficial releases from CM only. Poor, Sony, poor experience from you!
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That's pretty poor to read and to know. A friend of mine, owner of the Samsung Galaxy S3 just got an official update to Jelly bean, expecting a new one to Kit Kat, and Sony leaves their flagman phone's users without support and with unofficial releases from CM only. Poor, Sony, poor experience from you!
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It's not fair to compare an arc and a s3...
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novicebg said:
That's pretty poor to read and to know. A friend of mine, owner of the Samsung Galaxy S3 just got an official update to Jelly bean, expecting a new one to Kit Kat, and Sony leaves their flagman phone's users without support and with unofficial releases from CM only. Poor, Sony, poor experience from you!
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I don't trust Samsung when it comes to software, their ROMs have always been buggy and full of problems.
You can't blame Sony as well, the update window is well past the 18 month period since the phone's release. They may have the obligation to fix bugs, but not the obligation to update the phone to a newer Android version.
That's the main problem with most of the users here; they expect the manufacturer to update the phone to the latest version of the OS, which is not 100% feasible due to hardware restrictions and some other PRBS by the company. Sometimes having an old but more stable ROM is more beneficial long term. I have been using a custom 4.2.2 ROM for almost a year and I find it good and stable enough for daily use. There's no rush to update to KK and face more problems with the OS since older ROMs are able to meet the demands of the end user.
The only issue with Sony is that I would have liked them to release the sources publicly so it can save the developers time and effort to develop custom ROMs.
Just my 2 cents on the issue.
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So what about that:
http://developer.sonymobile.com/2012/03/07/fm-radio-module-released-as-open-source-and-sensor-hal-updated/
it was quoted in another topic but no one answered whether exactly this are the drivers needed?
Already discussed here:
https://github.com/M66B/cm-xtended/issues/1
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with so many people creating roms, there will not be a soul here that applies to get the FM radio to work, sure it was well compensated! Greetings to all!
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popthosegaskets said:
I don't trust Samsung when it comes to software, their ROMs have always been buggy and full of problems.
You can't blame Sony as well, the update window is well past the 18 month period since the phone's release. They may have the obligation to fix bugs, but not the obligation to update the phone to a newer Android version.
That's the main problem with most of the users here; they expect the manufacturer to update the phone to the latest version of the OS, which is not 100% feasible due to hardware restrictions and some other PRBS by the company. Sometimes having an old but more stable ROM is more beneficial long term. I have been using a custom 4.2.2 ROM for almost a year and I find it good and stable enough for daily use. There's no rush to update to KK and face more problems with the OS since older ROMs are able to meet the demands of the end user.
The only issue with Sony is that I would have liked them to release the sources publicly so it can save the developers time and effort to develop custom ROMs.
Just my 2 cents on the issue.
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I'm on KitKat already and it's actually not half-bad, aside from a few random glitches here and there. Still too fresh to be perfect I guess.
I think that Arc's hardware is the main reason for the lack of further official upgrades. It'd take too much work to get it to work perfectly with all of Sony's additional apps and branding required to make it flashy enough for an official rom, if it would even be possible at all. Short on ram as well as internal memory as it is, I'm honestly amazed what developers are managing to port to our beloved phone.
out of curiosity,
is there no ported android 5 (L) coming or is available for the m8?
Not yet. I wouldn't get you hopes up too high for it coming any time soon, it might be a while. Once full source is released we might see partially functioning aosp based versions pour in. Other than that, I'd say cm and other aosp roms have got a long way to go. Same story with sense. But no one knows for sure what google and HTCs plans are so I'm just speaking based off of speculation and past experiences. Expect many "L" themes though
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http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...oid-l-to-m8-and-m7-within-90-days-of-release/
just give HTC about 90 days from source release and we will get official Android L :victory:
assuming L comes in November with the new Nexus, then given the 90 day guarantee from HTC, expect an official OTA by February. they lived up to their promise for the M7 owners this year for 4.4 kitkat.
The A50 differs from the other A-series devices in terms of having an Exynos 9610 which has seen practically zero development and poor GSI compatibility. However, finally we have an Android One device with practically the same chipset.
The Motorola Action One comes with the Exynos 9609 which is the same as 9610 apart from having a 100 MHz lower clock speed. In the past, we had instances of Android One firmware being ported to similar devices, so it is possible for a capable developer to be able to create a functional port.
Of course, bugs are inevitable, especially in the areas of camera and wireless connectivity but hopefully with the right combination of blobs it might be possible to have a daily driver. Again, at this point there is nothing more to go on rather than hope, but it is great to have a sister device running stock Android.
So what do you think about future development prospects? Is there any developer with an A50 willing to have a go once the firmware for the One Action becomes available?
Nice let's Hope ?
Motorola one vision is already out since May, and it's exynos 9609 as well, running Android one.
You can check one vision forum if anyone is interested in system/vendor dump. I got it uploaded a while back.