[Q] Android on 8S? - Windows Phone 8s by HTC

Is there any chance to have Android on this phone?

buy a htc with android ...

arsenalfreak said:
buy a htc with android ...
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+1
Seriously, WP is a great os. Android is overrated ****.
If you want your crapOS, then please buy another phone and get out

If you really want it, then you should talk to some nexus devs or the ones that ported wpX to the HTC hd2 they definitely know some stuff about porting and it is very possible to do
Sparx639

The 8s is in no way popular enough to get the devs to start putting in countless hours to make it run Android, just get the One S...

i already have 8s and i like win8 very much. it is faster and more stable than android... i was just curious can i play with ROMs with this phone, nothing more.

ilDuceo said:
i already have 8s and i like win8 very much. it is faster and more stable than android... i was just curious can i play with ROMs with this phone, nothing more.
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Not yet
Sparx639

I also think the phone is not popular enough, i also assume the new Windows Phone 8's are even more locked down.
I personally changed for exact that reason to Windows Phone... I don't have time to search for better Roms... I need a great out of the box experience.
But I have to admit It's fun to flash a different OS to your phone just for fun..

Better get an android phone if you want android. But WP is an awsome OS I think. It is smoother than android.

I also have an android 4.0.4 with the same specs as the 8S...
It's lagging all the time... Not only lagging.. but waiting 6-7 sec. for Chrome
to start.. typing is a real horror... sometimes the keyboard is lagging 2-3 sec behind...
I don't have a custom ROM.. maybe it will run smoother with a custom ROM... because it has a lot bloat ware which I can not remove... i didn't had time to play around...

Ikkari said:
I also have an android 4.0.4 with the same specs as the 8S...
It's lagging all the time... Not only lagging.. but waiting 6-7 sec. for Chrome
to start.. typing is a real horror... sometimes the keyboard is lagging 2-3 sec behind...
I don't have a custom ROM.. maybe it will run smoother with a custom ROM... because it has a lot bloat ware which I can not remove... i didn't had time to play around...
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What phone is it?
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AW: [Q] Android on 8S?
It's a Sony Xperia U...
It is not exactly the same cpu but also 1GHz Dualcore.. 512mb RAM..
For Windows Phone a old 1Ghz CPU single core and 256 MB RAM are enough for the OS to work without lag... Apps are a different story but the Basic OS functions are never lagging...
Android is so damn Power hungry..
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jodeltje said:
The 8s is in no way popular enough to get the devs to start putting in countless hours to make it run Android, just get the One S...
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that sucks as well as HTC ****ing 8S users in the ass with the whole no windows phone 8.1 fiasco. twats

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touch pro 2 running android???

is it possible to flash a android rom on the touch pro 2??? would be nice to have the hero rom on my touch pro 2 idk if its even possible
Yeah if you want to brick your phone then go ahead
You should give it to someone who wants it so bad
Dude Android is a different OS with a completely different architecture.
You may be able to port Android functions to Windows Mobile if someone is willing to do it, but it's impossible to use Android on WinMo *yet*.
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Dude Android is a different OS with a completely different architecture.
You may be able to port Android functions to Windows Mobile if someone is willing to do it, but it's impossible to use Android on WinMo *yet*.
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I think he talks about running it nativelz on the phone...
I don|t know if you can think of a phone like a pc, but basically shouldnt it be possible to run android on the Rhodium with the right drivers and the right SPL ??
im just saying it would be nice i know its a diffrent os and i cant think of it as a pc but it all really is made by htc if u think about it if someone were able to find a way i would gladly run it on my touch...i realized when i hard reseted my phone it was very similar to when flashing the g1 thats y i asked
And don't forget they both run on the same Qualcomm MSM7200A. Making the supposition that they can be ported more plausible.
It's been ported quite nicely for the Vogue so I don't see why it couldn't be ported for the TP2. I think it just needs a dedicated dev team and a big enough user base to make it worthwhile... I'd definitely be interested in seeing that project come to light!
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It's been ported quite nicely for the Vogue so I don't see why it couldn't be ported for the TP2. I think it just needs a dedicated dev team and a big enough user base to make it worthwhile... I'd definitely be interested in seeing that project come to light!
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Yes I have a vogue (Winmo device) and have been using Android exclusively on it for the last month or so - it's fantastic! The reason I lurk in the TP2 thread is hoping Android gets ported over - I love the TP2 and its high on my "want" list but can't go back to Winmo - hopefully Android isn't too far off.
I would pay for it...
Seriously, by donation or actually having to pay for it I would have no issue forking out some dough for android on my TP2. As long as i had all the functions like wifi, 3g, bluetooth, etc. My concern is that the phone may run slower with the higher resolution screen but then again the g1 doesnt run at max cpu speeds on a stock build so maybe running it overclocked(max speed) can help. The battery life on my tp2 is wayyyy better than my g1 so if running the core faster is needed i feel the battery could keep up at least on the level of the g1. Also the additional ram may help too. Its strange how even people who dont know much about phones keep asking if i am gonna run android on it. I love my TP2 but its the hardware I love and the os is good but unless the winmo marketplace gets up an running the momentum android has is just too attractive.
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Seriously, by donation or actually having to pay for it I would have no issue forking out some dough for android on my TP2. As long as i had all the functions like wifi, 3g, bluetooth, etc. My concern is that the phone may run slower with the higher resolution screen but then again the g1 doesnt run at max cpu speeds on a stock build so maybe running it overclocked(max speed) can help. The battery life on my tp2 is wayyyy better than my g1 so if running the core faster is needed i feel the battery could keep up at least on the level of the g1. Also the additional ram may help too. Its strange how even people who dont know much about phones keep asking if i am gonna run android on it. I love my TP2 but its the hardware I love and the os is good but unless the winmo marketplace gets up an running the momentum android has is just too attractive.
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I agree. I would love to have Sense UI on my TP2 once I get it. I hate WinMo, the only reason I'm getting the TP2 is because it's such a siiiick device
I'm happy to find out that I am probably not the only person who fell in love with the device after demo'ing one from the T-Mobile store. I have used windows mobile since about 3 devices ago, got a G1, currently running Sense-UI and loving it!! If the Touch Pro 2 could port an android build over with enough Developer support it could easily be done, just as all the rom flashing we never though would be possible for the G1 but ended up doing daily =) Spread the word and keep asking for developer support, don't be afraid to flash a little cash to make it worth their time, and the community will push it in the right direction
NO!!!DO NOT RUN ANDRIOD ON YOUR TOUCH PRO 2. This is totally different with its own os and that will destroy your phone....
Guinea Pig.
I dont mind being the guinea pig with my TP2 if someone can come up with a way of running android on it. I have a g1 I can use in the mean time. I would even consider a temporary phone donation if this gets some serious attention. Of course I would need it back eventually lol.
Limlin said:
NO!!!DO NOT RUN ANDRIOD ON YOUR TOUCH PRO 2. This is totally different with its own os and that will destroy your phone....
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Uhm, no? Android runs through HARET, which you run from WinMO, then it closes down WinMO so that Android is the only OS running... and it runs off your SD-card. I have android on my old ELF, and I've ****ed up the install so many times, I dunno' what to do anymore, haha. Phone works fine.
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Uhm, no? Android runs through HARET, which you run from WinMO, then it closes down WinMO so that Android is the only OS running... and it runs off your SD-card. I have android on my old ELF, and I've ****ed up the install so many times, I dunno' what to do anymore, haha. Phone works fine.
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Oh, so this is how the Android runs on the phone. I was under the illusion that I have to delete winmo for the running of android.....(I should learn more about that....)
Interesting, I had a G1 and loved Android. I would pay/donate money to the cause.It's worth a shot with the TP2.
I would love to see this too. I have been using a G1 for the past year and love Android. I just ordered a TP2 however, but would really like to get Android on it eventually.
+1 i would love this aswell
I've been thinking about starting the port (have to wait until the 26th to get my TP2 sadly) for Android. Not great with coding but good enough to make tweaks and such to the linux kernel. If there are any others who are interested, maybe we should get together and get the ball rolling? The TP version should work on the TP2 (same hardware underneath still) with the exception of the screen and CPU. Anyway, if anyone here is good at coding for Linux/hardware/IO/etc, please shoot me an email/PM! Don't really have a need for guinea pigs yet since anything we do will need to be tested right away, not whenever the next guinea pig is available

HTC Desire running MeeGo ?

Does anyone have the MeeGo rom for HTC Desire ? i just saw a dutch site with a video with Desire running MeeGo
http://www.htcdesireblog.nl/video/htc-desire-draait-op-meego-rom/
afaik there isnt a single nokia out with meego OS on it, nor will it be this year
i seriously doubt thats meego running - more like some chinese copycat OS?
more info here: h ttp://wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD
Wow, looks just like an ugly custom themed android!
Has anyone tried this in person? Seems pretty slow atm, but I think Meego will turn out pretty awesome
Also, how do I install it? Just flash it?
Anybody working From XDA
After watching NOKIA N9 OS i desperately want that on my DESIRE
i found this Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtnfHNjcdzg
any update what is working or not???
i was about to start new thread on XDA but someone has already made googling always help
but thats not the same OS running on the N9. the version shown in the video looks like an android clone. The N9 runs MeeGo "Harmattan" 1.2
would love to get it on my desire. or maybe I'm getting the N9, as I can pick a new phone by january
I wonder if meego can really run in Desire without any problems.
I would also want to try it on my Desire if it can run perfectly
I am planning to get a new phone in summer next year, I believe Desire has served me long enough till then (2 years) let see what I can find and afford at that time.
I think it'll run on a desire. The N9 is not a dual core monster and the OS doesnt look like its stuffed with too many things (unlike sense).
Looking forward to the release
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meh, that meego thing looks really slow and poorly optimised.. can almost guarantee it would be really crap on the desire.. and wouldn't even come close to the versatility of android...
bortak said:
meh, that meego thing looks really slow and poorly optimised.. can almost guarantee it would be really crap on the desire.. and wouldn't even come close to the versatility of android...
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I also dont see what people like about this meego either. Android all the way
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I also dont see what people like about this meego either. Android all the way
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It is not about meego, WP7 or android...it is about the flashing addiction...perhaps we can flash meego too....LOL
Why do you need meego, when we got experienced developper porting and developping Sense 2.1 and 3.0 rom like InsertCoin for our Desire !
If you just want to flash to flash well...
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Why do you need meego, when we got experienced developper porting and developping Sense 2.1 and 3.0 rom like InsertCoin for our Desire !
If you just want to flash to flash well...
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I also dont see what people like about this meego either. Android all the way
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Because MeeGo is more open source than Android in several aspects. MeeGo is more like a typical linux distribution, without dalvik or that ****s. MeeGo can run Linux and Android application with minimal efforts, and of course, it's uses gnome libs and QT on Top to provide a very nicely user experience... Android is based on linux, but it took a different way, too different, and I think it is a wrong desicion.
I have to admit I really like Meego, but still prefer Android. And on Desire? No way..
how to flash it?
where i can fine meego image and for comile kernel desire for support desire ?
http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD#HTC_Desire
Very early , nothing works yet not even touchscreen, plus I think you'll have to compile the kernel yourself
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I am Jealous of HD2

How come HD2 can have wm 6.5, android,meego and wp7?
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/24/htc-hd2-can-now-dual-boot-windows-phone-7-and-android-promises/
Because it's an old device who turned into a "testmachine".
ArtieQ said:
Because it's an old device who turned into a "testmachine".
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HAHAHA
But seriously
i may be wrong but i think it has the same specs
I have put on Android/DHD ROM on my HD2 and it runs very well (my Desire still runs a non DHD ROM)
its an old device with decent hardware.
most stuff nowadays is not far off what a hd2 is anyhow - and why would you want to dual boot anyway - isnt android good enough?
Im not jealous of the HD2 wtf lol
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Just my thought, but probably cause it's great hardware with bad software. The Desire, or any other Android phone does not suffer form the ****ty software so it's less interesting to get other software running on it.
im jealous of its design. It looks better than all phones. I love analog buttons...
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Just my thought, but probably cause it's great hardware with bad software. The Desire, or any other Android phone does not suffer form the ****ty software so it's less interesting to get other software running on it.
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Yes, exactly what I was thinking. The difference between running WM6.X and Android on there is miles apart.
rouvax said:
im jealous of its design. It looks better than all phones. I love analog buttons...
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I'm too, but size is annoyed me after one year of usage...
HD2 is a miracle device, it's refresh you after every Rom flash as itself
dexteral said:
How come HD2 can have wm 6.5, android,meego and wp7?
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/24/htc-hd2-can-now-dual-boot-windows-phone-7-and-android-promises/
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Buy yourself one....
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/HTC-HD-2-HD2...77401?pt=AU_Mobile_Phones&hash=item3cb480cbb9
I LOVE ANDROID PHONES ESP. DESIRE BECAUSE (OF ITS SPEED, SIMPLICITY AND UI) IT DOESNT CRASH ON YOU WHILE CALLING, DOESNT RESTART RANDOMLY, ETC WHICH I HAD WITH ALMOST ALL MY WM 6.5 DEVICES WITH THE LAST BEING XPERIA X1.
BUT ON AN ANOTHER NOTE I WOULDNT MIND TESTING DIFFERENT OSs LIKE I DO ON MY VAIO OR DELL. DONT TELL ME YOU PEOPLE ARE NOT TEMPTED.
AND YES I AM CONSIDERING BUYING A USED HD2 TO JUST TEST OUT THESE OSs.
SORRY FOR THE CAPS.
IMHO I don't care One os is enough to personalize, save contacts, sms, photos etc....with two or more I guess I'd get crazy!!
I have to agree - its nice to try/trial (I have a HTC Touch HD with the SD bootable version of android) and to play with - but one OS is decent enough I think...
There was a poll on the hd2 thread a little while ago and it looked like about half of the users were using an android OS now - so as long as you have that option you're doing alright!
I don't rate the HD2, I had it for a year. It's got a crap battery life, it's big, the one single bar for all of the buttons isn't a brilliant design. I don't care much for dual booting any of the five or more OS's it can run, the Desire is a far better device and I am glad I switched.
I have both the HD2 and Desire. For a every day android device, my preference goes to the Desire. IMO the Desire is a native android device and will always run android better. Even with nand on the HD2, it still has it's problems.

[Q] Android 4.0

Any chance of a tasty Ice Cream Sandwich please for the Hero ?
thanks to elelinux for a great rom
should be possible after the release of the source code (maybe next month?).
without the source it looks for me that it won't be possible to boot the emulator image on our hero, because it is compiled for armeabi-v7a (snapdragon cpu) only.
thank you for your post
booooo sounds like time for an upgrade
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should be possible after the release of the source code (maybe next month?).
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I think source code was already released
http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-4.0.html
That's different. SDK is not kernel source. That's why most honeycomb Ports aren't complete. No source was released.
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Any chance of a tasty Ice Cream Sandwich please for the Hero ?
thanks to elelinux for a great rom
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Maybe someone can get it to run. but I don't get my hopes up if I where you. if you look at 2.3 how that runs on the hero comparing to 2.2 and mostly 2.1. And 4.0 even more stuffed then I guess not
touch wood, 2.3.7 is working well for me on my Hero (dont really to upgrade just to get Android 4.0)
But keeping an eye on some HTC Desires on ebay nonetheless
Lirasina said:
Maybe someone can get it to run.
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it probably will run. just wait for the source to be released.
I hope for a Vanilla 4.0, with no heavy CM mods
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it probably will run. just wait for the source to be released.
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I thinks so too.
I remember when on this forum we were discussing about porting Froyo 2.2. on the Hero...lol...
Its not long since the GB rom's were considered too fat for the hero. Look at us now..... mines has never been so quick.
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I completely agree with Prof Peach. GB was slow on first releases and now it flies so maybe it's hope for 4.0 too when the sources come out and them maybe it will boot on our Hero after the devs cast their magic.
yea, but don't forget the one and only honeycomb rom for gsm hero which JieeHD (I think) created from the sdk...
YES it was from sdk and so it was a miracle it ran at all, but it was SO slow that you couldn't even try the UI features of the rom. No the hardware didn't work at all, no data, wifi, etc, and that is all because it came from the sdk. That wasn't the purpose of the sdk build. It was just to play with the honeycomb UI, but even then the UI should have run alright if it was ever going to run on the hero.
However that rom (which I still have kicking around somewhere) showed me just how honeycomb was clearly made to run on much more powerful hardware than even gingerbread requires.
So I personally will be very surprised if it works well enough for daily use.
But then I'm running a gingerbread rom that is fast enough for daily use and perfectly stable... and I bet against that every happening back in teh day LoL.
I've been wrong before, and I hope you guys can prove me wrong again. I'm always happy to be wrong when I'm being pessimistic!
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To upgrade or not to upgrade?​ This is the big question for the android community!!!!
It will run on the hero, but since phones are getting bigger, i think it's gonna be kind of weird to run 4.0... We will have to see it ported firts
As far from what i see and what the google guys reported...every phone that can run GB can run ICS... so that means that there can't be a big problem to run the os, and since the nexus S will receive the update, that means that there is a way to disable the on screen buttons...
For the moment we stick with what we have !!! And we have to THANKS the devs that keep this phone alive. As for the part with upgrading to a new phone, i think we have to wait for the next gen of processors (quad core) or buy phones like nexus S that now are on slim prices
PS: since i got my tablet, i'm not so much into getting a new phone
Stefan
yea, tablets are awesome. Same here - I've used many android tablets and my employer supplies apple devices for my dev work at one company.
Tablets are awesome if you truly embrace them and buy whatever options you need to use them as virtual laptops effectively.
Agree with dkelley...if you have places where you can use them, it's better to have one...i use mine all the time, from movies and finishing with reading stuff.
I have to admin i was thinking on to buy a desire Hd / Nexus S...but not so shure
Stefan
yeah i love my Hero to bits, cost me £50 with Android 1.6 pre installed on it from some guy at work lol.
Whilst i can appreciate its an old handset etc etc, its running gingerbread like a dream, so would love to see the 'consolidated' release of 4.0 on there, i feel google will have dropped a legacy beat if only snapdragon cpus are supported.
admins feel free to move this to the Q&A sub-forum if required
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i think we have to wait for the next gen of processors (quad core)
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This is why I didn't upgrade my phone yet!
I would like to get a beast with 1200x800 display resolution, android 4.0 with the new Quad-Core CPU...
Basically, almost a gaming machine...
yukinok25 said:
This is why I didn't upgrade my phone yet!
I would like to get a beast with 1200x800 display resolution, android 4.0 with the new Quad-Core CPU...
Basically, almost a gaming machine...
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For me the Hero is a phone. and nothing more. It is a little smarter phone then my moms. She can text and call. I can do that and I can also send mail check agenda and navigate some. That is what I use my phone for. If I need more then I will use my laptop anyway. So the Hero with some easy rom is fine for me.
Android 4.0 will bring problems and stuff that I will never use anyway. If you look at most devs on the Hero forum. They are good porters and breakers of things. I am the last one, a breaker XD There are still a half hand full of devs for the Hero.
I think the CDMA will have 4.0 sooner then the Hero. But that is just my oppinion. If they ever get it...
And is there an upgrade for sgs2?
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The Xplay is slowly becoming obsolete. Will us be seeing Jelly Bean in the future?

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Not at all. This was just a rushed thread written in less than 2 minutes so I didn't have time to explain my question.
Games do run insanely smooth BUT I'm talking about the UI. Project Butter is a nice feature that I would want to see in the Xplay. And everyone knows that if you put a pre-4.1 Android device next to, say, an iPhone 4, and for example, play a game and then go back to home screen, the UI looks a lot more smoother in the iPhone, so that's why I'm saying Android 4.1 may be a choice.
The real question: will the Xplay run well with future versions of Android? Because games (the point of the Xplay) didn't work well with ICS, in fact, custom ICS roms often run smoother than the official beta... If the Xplay didn't ran well with Android 4.1 even with custom roms, it would mean that we were fully unsupported, we won't run apps with newer SDK levels unless people manage to port the APIs, therefore being obsolete. And I don't want that to happen.
By the way, I'm not a newb, I've been here for almost a year
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DanielEGVi said:
I really do not want this device to be extinct
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Even if we dont who cares cause all we care about are the games running smoothly !
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I really do not want this device to be extinct
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We aren't even getting ICS officially so there is no chance of Jellybean outside of custom roms.
another newb posting a pointless discussion. Sony said no ics so why in your mind would you think we'd get the next platform that's STILL ics with a facelift? lol really? If you want ics then unlock and root. Otherwise just sell your play and stop crying.
DanielEGVi said:
I really do not want this device to be extinct
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We only have to care about games coming out for the Xperia PLAY not all that fancy ****.
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Even if we dont who cares cause all we care about are the games running smoothly !
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Ditto.
We may not be able to boast the newest firmware... but honestly what are we losing?
• Data monitoring/management? We can get a free app for that.
• ICS's panoramic camera? We already have that.
• Menu button previews/task killer? Honestly not necessary.
• Project butter? Our phone is already insanely smooth.
• Widget resizing? There's about a billion launchers that can do this already.
...I know there's more to it, but going off the many devices I've upped to 4.x, seems all we're missing is a new look for our UI, a new look for menus... which would actually backfire when considering the increased RAM usage and compromised software compatibility... if I care that much about "a new look", I'll get a ICS-themed launcher.
By laws of the word, something must fail to be compatible with new software before it can be considered obsolete... even if the said software isn't Xperia Play Optimized, Xperia Play can definitely run it, therefore it can't be considered obsolete. Xperia Play's means of staying alive is through game releases... which haven't been stopping or even slowing down (as I can tell every time I look at my new content backlog and feel like fainting).
Gin2ics, widgetlocker and holo launcher for me does the trick.
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Runadumb said:
We aren't even getting ICS officially so there is no chance of Jellybean outside of custom roms.
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Heh...custom roms are better than offical anyways lol.
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agraceful said:
another newb posting a pointless discussion. Sony said no ics so why in your mind would you think we'd get the next platform that's STILL ics with a facelift? lol really? If you want ics then unlock and root. Otherwise just sell your play and stop crying.
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Not at all. This was just a rushed thread written in less than 2 minutes so I didn't have time to explain my question.
Games do run insanely smooth BUT I'm talking about the UI. Project Butter is a nice feature that I would want to see in the Xplay. And everyone knows that if you put a pre-4.1 Android device next to, say, an iPhone 4, and for example, play a game and then go back to home screen, the UI looks a lot more smoother in the iPhone, so that's why I'm saying Android 4.1 may be a choice.
The real question: will the Xplay run well with future versions of Android? Because games (the point of the Xplay) didn't work well with ICS, in fact, custom ICS roms often run smoother than the official beta... If the Xplay didn't ran well with Android 4.1 even with custom roms, it would mean that we were fully unsupported, we won't run apps with newer SDK levels unless people manage to port the APIs, therefore being obsolete. And I don't want that to happen.
By the way, I'm not a newb, I've been here for almost a year
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