Anyone tried to connect via bluetooth v4.0 to any accessory?
I am trying to connect to a Polar H7 Bluetooth Low Power Heart Rate Monitor with a Samsung S3 with no luck.
Just curious if with a Note II it works?
Thanks
No problems here. But my accessories have been audio. You should check with the cuff vendors to see which profiles/services it needs. If they're pretty standard and in the gn2 stack, they may be able to guide you more.
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But your accessories are also Bluetooth V4.0 Low Energy?
Not necessarily. I use headphones and car stereos.
Each bluetooth version has a specific set of services it adds on from the prior version. When a product uses bluetooth it may choose to use all or only some of the services. What you want to find out is what services your monitor uses. For instance, it may not need A2DP, which are audio services, or HSP handsets.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_profile
That link happens to mention low energy requirements.
Once you know the profiles it uses, you can check what the gn2 supports.
I don't know enough about your monitor to be able to help you more. I would suspect the manufacturer of your monitor could help more.
I don't know where you live, but you could try taking it in to the store and attempt to connect it. Ask the salesperson for help.
http://m.samsung.com/uk/consumer/mobile-devices/galaxy-note/galaxy-note/GT-N7100RWDBTU
That does show it supports LE, which I assume is low energy.
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fae said:
Anyone tried to connect via bluetooth v4.0 to any accessory?
I am trying to connect to a Polar H7 Bluetooth Low Power Heart Rate Monitor with a Samsung S3 with no luck.
Just curious if with a Note II it works?
Thanks
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Bit late answer but..
The HR7 is a BLE device and the Note II is a BLE capable device.
However since Google failed to put a proper Bluetooth stack for BLE in it it won't work.
There are some apps in the market that use some kind of samsung library to show that you can actually see the device .
But these work very spotty, i know since i have both the hr7 and the noteii.
And although i can get it to appear in connections dialog windows i have only been able to use it once.
Search the forums for SGIII and BLE you'll find more info.
The bluetooth stack problem is there. Google has not kept the same stack for all versions and also incomplete. AFAIK I think they have changed to broadcom BT stack for 4.1/4.2 and its still incomplete. So maybe at a later version compatibility with all devices will be there.
as of now you could pair unpair a few times. Maybe that might work.
Yes, as far as I know there is not yet any firmware version with a workable ble stack. Keep waiting... meanwhile my Polar H7 heart rate band may become obsolete with the waiting shame on samsung.
connected all my bt devices without any problem..check the settings of ur bt device..
I can also connected all my bt devices without any problem, except those that are Bluetooth version 4.0... like my Polar H7 chest band.
fae said:
I can also connected all my bt devices without any problem, except those that are Bluetooth version 4.0... like my Polar H7 chest band.
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one more here... the same thing...
Bose dock 10 or something like that
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I have this problem too. I didn't realise I would even need to look into if it would be compatible. I thought the whole point of Bluetooth was it was standard!
So, is this something we can expect to work in the future, or should I just send it back to Amazon?
Can anyone recommend a Heart Rate monitor that will work?
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Can anyone recommend a Heart Rate monitor that will work?
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Zephyr HxM.
Regards,
Dave
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Thanks, that's what I'm looking for. Generally seem to be around £80
The same for me...
But you can also buy the other polar bluetooth hr monitor (the non smart (stupid?) one)
Same price but poor battery life...
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Do you know what the model name of the 'stupid' one that works is?
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Do you know what the model name of the 'stupid' one that works is?
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Polar WearLink+ BT
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I couldn't get the Polar H7 Smart heart rate monitor working on the Note 2 with any of the sports apps in the Play Store. Bluetooth low energy (also called Smart) does not appear to be supported on the Note 2. I've decided to order the Zephyr HxM and will be giving that a try on Saturday as an alternative approach. It uses standard Bluetooth and should work. I'm keeping the Polar H7 hoping that later in the year when Android 5 is released we will get working Bluetooth Low Energy (Smart) support. The Samsung site is very misleading and states Bluetooth 4.0 LE support as a feature on the phone. It does not work. There is an app in the Play Store called Smart Scanner that can use the HW in the Note 2 to see the Polar H7 ... it just can not do anything more with it. So the HW is functional; it just lacks Android OS support.
If anyone figures out how to get BLE (ie. Bluetooth Low Energy or Smart) devices working on the Note 2, please post your solution.
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I couldn't get the Polar H7 Smart heart rate monitor working on the Note 2 with any of the sports apps in the Play Store. Bluetooth low energy (also called Smart) does not appear to be supported on the Note 2. I've decided to order the Zephyr HxM and will be giving that a try on Saturday as an alternative approach. It uses standard Bluetooth and should work. I'm keeping the Polar H7 hoping that later in the year when Android 5 is released we will get working Bluetooth Low Energy (Smart) support. The Samsung site is very misleading and states Bluetooth 4.0 LE support as a feature on the phone. It does not work. There is an app in the Play Store called Smart Scanner that can use the HW in the Note 2 to see the Polar H7 ... it just can not do anything more with it. So the HW is functional; it just lacks Android OS support.
If anyone figures out how to get BLE (ie. Bluetooth Low Energy or Smart) devices working on the Note 2, please post your solution.
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Nice summary! :good:
I came to the same conclusion!
Thanks ... I should have also mentioned that when the Samsung Galaxy S 4 was recently announced it seemed to have support for some sports / health apps and gadgets. I was wondering if they were Bluetooth 4.0 LE based. If so, that would lead me to believe that Samsung must have a working Bluetooth 4.0 LE (Smart) patch for the version of Android the phone is going to launch with ... this might mean that there may be some hope for a fix for the Note 2. I'm just speculating here ... but, hoping that Samsung will fix this problem.
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Hi!
I'm under Omega 9.1 - XXBLG1 and I have a "wahoo fitness blue hr" (it's a heart rate belt) and it works perfectly with a iPhone 4S. Happy to know?
The thing is that this wahoo should work on android too with apps such as Runtastic or Endomondo. Of course, I'm here 'cause it doesn't.
After a scann, the phone finds my headset, but not my wahoo...
Anybody successfully connected any bluetooth 4.0 item with sgs3? Any idea why it doesn't work with mine?
NB : I heard about some "secret codes" to put in the dialler like *#232331# , but it didn't work as well.
Thank you for any clue!
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Hi!
The thing is that this wahoo should work on android too with apps such as Runtastic or Endomondo.
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Where did you get this information? AFAIK the Wahoo-Belts only work with iphones.
You can check the compatibility at: http://www.wahoofitness.com/Products/Wahoo-Fitness-Wahoo-Blue-HR-Heart-Rate-Strap-for-iPhone-4S.asp
Greets,
Georg
Where did you get this information?
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Hi and thanks for the reply.
In the blog of that site (sorry, I'm not yet able to make a proper link but if you write
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Q & A: Wahoo Fitness Blue HR Bluetooth Smart Heart Rate Strap for iPhone 4S
in google, it should be the second link ) it's written on 1/21/2012 :
Will it work with my iPhone 4?
Nope. The Wahoo Blue HR ONLY works with the iPhone 4S right now, but in the future it will work with other “Bluetooth Smart Ready” devices. Rumor is that the next several generations of iPhones and Android devices will all have Bluetooth Smart wireless technology integrated. This product will NOT work with the iPhone 3, 3GS, or 4.
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So you're right, I reed nowhere that it works on the SGS3, but it should 'cause the technology Bluetooth Smart Ready is a standard... no? (maybe I'm wrong)
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Hi and thanks for the reply.
In the blog of that site (sorry, I'm not yet able to make a proper link but if you write
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Q & A: Wahoo Fitness Blue HR Bluetooth Smart Heart Rate Strap for iPhone 4S
in google, it should be the second link ) it's written on 1/21/2012 :
So you're right, I reed nowhere that it works on the SGS3, but it should 'cause the technology Bluetooth Smart Ready is a standard... no? (maybe I'm wrong)
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I was looking into wahoo products myself, specifically their Cadence Sensor. I have emailed them regarding compatibility with Android phones with BT 4.0, waiting for their reply.
If you're looking for a heart rate monitor to use with the GS3, this one made by Polar works great
http://www.polar.fi/en/products/accessories/Polar_WearLink_transmitter_with_Bluetooth
There are two BT HR Monitors made by Polar, make sure you get the NON H7 Model. The H7 model only works with iPhones
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And right after I posted my last comment, I received this email from Wahoo
"Hi,
I'm sorry we do not offer Android support as of yet. Android has not yet opened up their API to allow for access to the Bluetooth 4.0 sensor in the phone. Once they do we will begin working on it and allowing our app partners to do the same.
Thanks!
Sean
Wahoo Fitness
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www.wahoofitness.com"
So according to them, it's Google not releasing their API for Bluetooth 4.0?
@kman79 : Thank you a lot for the research you did and for your sharing. Because I already have that sensor, I didn't even check if concurrence had something else.
By the way, even if they clam that they do not have the API for bluetooth ( what is not true, 'cause a search in Google with "android bluetooth api" gives you the command... now maybe it is some different for bluetooth 4.0... ), the sgs3 should at least detect the device even if the apps cannot use it (like a PC). But the sgs3 doesn't see the device... and if Wahoo would have the API for bluetooth 4.0, I really don't know how they will manage to make sgs3 recognize the device. I'm really septic for the future of this topic.
Thanks a lot for the search about alternatives for my Wahoo, I will probably check if.
to the best of my knowledge wahoo is NOT BT4 they are ANT+ which is a variation (proprietary variation) of BT4 IIRC
so no the SG3 won't see it.
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@kman79 : Thank you a lot for the research you did and for your sharing. Because I already have that sensor, I didn't even check if concurrence had something else.
By the way, even if they clam that they do not have the API for bluetooth ( what is not true, 'cause a search in Google with "android bluetooth api" gives you the command... now maybe it is some different for bluetooth 4.0... ), the sgs3 should at least detect the device even if the apps cannot use it (like a PC). But the sgs3 doesn't see the device... and if Wahoo would have the API for bluetooth 4.0, I really don't know how they will manage to make sgs3 recognize the device. I'm really septic for the future of this topic.
Thanks a lot for the search about alternatives for my Wahoo, I will probably check if.
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What makes me angry is that i downloaded the app Bluetooth Smart Scanner and it shows my Polar H7 on the list but other apps can't see it. GRR!
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to the best of my knowledge wahoo is NOT BT4 they are ANT+ which is a variation (proprietary variation) of BT4 IIRC
so no the SG3 won't see it.
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this in incorrect. there are both ant+ wahoo sensors, and the new blue SC sensors which are bluetooth 4.0 smart devices. from all my reading, there is not yet any applications that can read the data due to supposedly google not releasing the bluetooth 4.0 api; this really doesn't seem to make much sense, but ok. there is a new app out for android that appears to recognize bluetooth 4.0 devices, no one has yet to report if it works for more than just pairing and will provide sensor data to apps.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nordic.nordicbleapp#?t=W10
start this to show importance to google; does look like support is planned, just not here yet.
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=33371
Check out this bt4 heart rate monitor site
http://beetsblu.com/apps/google-play/
Edit, same app as posted above
the reason the wahoo blue doesn't work is because the android version isn't coded to accept bluetooth 4.0 devices since they consider that only 2 android devices out there can do bt4.0 so they are too lazy to implement it.
i ended up getting the Zephyr HxM to pair with Endomondo for my workouts and such.
I'm looking for a speed and cadence sensor. No good solution until Bluetooth 4.0 ble support is added.
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mputtr said:
the reason the wahoo blue doesn't work is because the android version isn't coded to accept bluetooth 4.0 devices since they consider that only 2 android devices out there can do bt4.0 so they are too lazy to implement it.
i ended up getting the Zephyr HxM to pair with Endomondo for my workouts and such.
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Since I Sold my iphone 5 .I keept my wahoo HR .
Today I bought my galaxy s4.
The wahoo does not connect with.
I inquired about this a while back.This is what they told me:
10/2/12
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Do you plan on making Wahoo Bluetooth 4.0 devices available for Android? There are a number of BT4.0 Android phones on the market now (including the best selling phone right now, the Galaxy S III) and many more to come in the near future. It seems like it would make good business sense to stop ignoring such a large customer base and BT seems like a great opportunity.
Wahoo Fitness <[email protected]>
10/3/12
to me
Hi ,
due to the Android operating system's lack of BTLE developer support we are being forced to use individual phone manufacturers APIs to allow our products to work with the phones. Currently we are working on a Galaxy S3 implementation for our Blue HR and Blue SC and should have a solution by the end of the year.
Sean
Wahoo Fitness
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They obviously missed the end of the year mark.... Though, I think Google just announced that Android 4.3 would have native support for BTLE.
I personally opted for the Suunto Move Stick Mini (ANT+ USB stick) connected with an OTG cable. It works pretty well, the only problem is the micro usb connection being so small that its not very stable. You need to find a way to keep the cable firmly plugged in. I use the app IpBike (which also works for running). Somewhere on these forums I also posted how to hack Endomondo to support ANT USB sticks.
mputtr said:
the reason the wahoo blue doesn't work is because the android version isn't coded to accept bluetooth 4.0 devices since they consider that only 2 android devices out there can do bt4.0 so they are too lazy to implement it.
i ended up getting the Zephyr HxM to pair with Endomondo for my workouts and such.
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well, the 4.3 android update seemed to change things. Wahoo just paired (at least once, it is not perfect) with BLE heart rate monitor app.
This thread was one of the top search results for "Nexus 4 bluetooth smart wahoo". Cant say I recomend Wahoo on android, i am having problems. But i saw it work at least twice so far.
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well, the 4.3 android update seemed to change things. Wahoo just paired (at least once, it is not perfect) with BLE heart rate monitor app.
This thread was one of the top search results for "Nexus 4 bluetooth smart wahoo". Cant say I recomend Wahoo on android, i am having problems. But i saw it work at least twice so far.
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yes, it changes things.. i knew 4.3 is supposed to support btle out of the box.
and it is kinda weird that a nexus 4 search brings you to a s3 thread. XD
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Does anyone have a BLE Heart Rate monitor that they've tested and can confirm that it works with the Nexus 5? Also, which app are you using it with?
I know that Endomono is currently trying to make the H7 compatible with their Android app. Does the H7 work with any other Android apps?
Also, it looks as though Runtastic already has a monitor that works with their Android app, but the reviews on Amazon are mixed on compatibility.
Basically, chime in if you have any experience with these or others. Thanks!
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Does anyone have a BLE Heart Rate monitor that they've tested and can confirm that it works with the Nexus 5? Also, which app are you using it with?
I know that Endomono is currently trying to make the H7 compatible with their Android app. Does the H7 work with any other Android apps?
Also, it looks as though Runtastic already has a monitor that works with their Android app, but the reviews on Amazon are mixed on compatibility.
Basically, chime in if you have any experience with these or others. Thanks!
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I have been considering the new Zephyr HxM Smart: www.amazon.com/Zephyr-Monitor-iPhone-Bluetooth-Low-Energy/dp/B009XDTN80/.
I have the original and it is fairly well built. The only negative on the Smart is that it doesn't have rechargeable batteries.
The review here seems to indicate that it works with the Nexus 5: http://www.amazon.com/review/RSQMW1...UTF8&ASIN=B009XDTN80&nodeID=3760901&store=hpc
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Does anyone have a BLE Heart Rate monitor that they've tested and can confirm that it works with the Nexus 5? Also, which app are you using it with?
I know that Endomono is currently trying to make the H7 compatible with their Android app. Does the H7 work with any other Android apps?
Also, it looks as though Runtastic already has a monitor that works with their Android app, but the reviews on Amazon are mixed on compatibility.
Basically, chime in if you have any experience with these or others. Thanks!
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Zephyr HxM Bluetooth Wireless Heart Rate Sensor for Android
I have this one and it works GREAT! I also have the Polar wearlink and it is not that good. Disconnects all the time and the battery always needs changing. I highly recommend this one and you can recharge it once a week so no need to replace batteries. And it has worked with all the apps I tested so far including Runtastic, Runkeeper and Rundouble C25K.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002PL33AQ/ref=oh_details_o06_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
keitht said:
Zephyr HxM Bluetooth Wireless Heart Rate Sensor for Android
I have this one and it works GREAT! I also have the Polar wearlink and it is not that good. Disconnects all the time and the battery always needs changing. I highly recommend this one and you can recharge it once a week so no need to replace batteries. And it has worked with all the apps I tested so far including Runtastic, Runkeeper and Rundouble C25K.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002PL33AQ/ref=oh_details_o06_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Thanks, but I'm looking for BLE 4.0 only.
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Mio Alpha
The Mio Alpha watch works fine, I would assume most Bluetooh LE / Smart HRM would work fine if the app supports it. So far apps that i have tried and works are Runtastic, MapMyRun, and RunnerUp. Ones that still doesn't support it are Endomondo, Strava, Sportstracklive.. sportstracklive the BLE support is on their roadmap.
personally i like the heart rate monitor watch instead of the damn chest strap which is anything but comfortable!
actinium227 said:
The Mio Alpha watch works fine, I would assume most Bluetooh LE / Smart HRM would work fine if the app supports it. So far apps that i have tried and works are Runtastic, MapMyRun, and RunnerUp. Ones that still doesn't support it are Endomondo, Strava, Sportstracklive.. sportstracklive the BLE support is on their roadmap.
personally i like the heart rate monitor watch instead of the damn chest strap which is anything but comfortable!
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This one? http://www.amazon.com/Alpha-Straple...UTF8&qid=1385144388&sr=8-2&keywords=mio+alpha
yep, thats the one, you can get it directly from their website as well
it is more about getting the right apps at the moment though for the support, just checked the compatibility of the apps, RunKeeper isn't support yet
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Thanks, but I'm looking for BLE 4.0 only.
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i think he linked to the old one. the current one supports BLE 4.0...
http://www.amazon.com/Zephyr-Monito...=8-12&keywords=bluetooth+4+heart+rate+monitor
anyway i have the H7 and it blows. one of the worst products ever. doesnt want to stay paired, signal drops frequently and i can't get it working for more than a few seconds with nexus 5.
I just bought a Garmin Vivosmart and its not connecting over bluetooth. I see it requires bluetooth smart. Thanks.
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I just bought a Garmin Vivosmart and its not connecting over bluetooth. I see it requires bluetooth smart. Thanks.
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Looks like it does according to the table at the link below. I think Bluetooth 4.0 or LE (low energy) is the same thing isnt it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_One_series
I am getting crazy to find a phone, which will be used in the car with a Kenwood DDX-7025 probably. AFAIK the DDX-7025 supports MHL, with Mirrorlink I am unsure, looks like the 7015 supports Mirrorlink. But I want to use Sygic which needs Mirrorlink 1.1 if I don't want to use MHL. Actually I don't know what I should prefer MHL oder Mirrorlink. So my goal is to buy a phone which supports MHL and Mirrorlink 1.1
The cheapest I found is a HTC One (M8), when I check https://cert.mirrorlink.com/ProductListing/ On the on side it is a little bit above my budget and on the other side, I would prefer a bigger display. Android auto shoul be supported too, which needs Android 5.0 min.
Is there a Sony phone which supports Mirrorlink 1.1. Looks like most Sony phones support Mirrorlink 1.0 only.
As a person who tests car head units supporting MirrorLink, CarPlay and Android Auto for a while now, I can only conclude that MirrorLink (even in the 1.1 installment) is the buggiest of all three. Sadly, CarPlay seems to be the most consistent.
Yes, it is really sad. Do you know any headunit which supports Mirrorlink 1.1?
I've never looked to buy a head unit. I've only been involved in the developing of the project, as a tester. Sadly neither of the projects are launched yet and even if they'd be launched, you'd have to buy the whole car, as they were OEM head units.
Bottom line is, if you want remote UI on your head unit, try to search for something that supports Android Auto or CarPlay (depending on what phone you have or want to buy). Usually, head units that are currently in development will support either all three standards or just AA and CP.
Out of the two standards available for Android, ML needs, as an extra, a certified phone. It also is, from what I've seen, more buggy and generally less stable than AA or CP.
What I want is to mirror any app on the head unit screen and that is hard to realize. Android Auto is Google dominated, I don't want the Google navigation and I am not interested in things like how high is the "Empire State Building". Mirrorlink is limited to certain apps, a catastrophy which apps, especially which navigation apps are allowed. So the only solution would be MHL, what I found out. But with MHL it is very critical with the devices. I read that it stopped working sind Android 5.0
What did you end up with?
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What did you end up with?
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Good question, at least I forgot the connection between phone and head unit. I bought an Alpine head unit INE-W990BT (including navigation), which I won't buy again because gps is too inaccurate, I assume Kenwood is better and use this for navigation. In case I need more than I use a Zuk Z1, which has an excellent battery, which is mounted below the wind shield.
I have a kenwood ddx9702 and I connect android auto up with my sprint htc one m8 (bad boys ROM s-off). Using MHL it only mirrors phone screen. Using USB I get android auto to work.
It's lame that in 2016 we still have to ask this. Google was very late to the party to implement hands-free profile 1.6 with wideband audio. They just started with the N6 in late 2014, the N5 did not have it. But, the N9 does not have it, the Shield Tablet does not have it, the N10 of course doesn't either, so no Google tablets that I know of (haven't tried a 2013 N7 though).
If you're wondering, so-called HD Voice in bluetooth (not to be confused with the carriers' "HD Voice" which is a similar thing but within their network) is also called wideband audio because normally BT cuts out at about 3kHz for voice/talk. HFP 1.6 wideband doubles the bandwidth to about 7kHz so voice is much, much clearer.
Usually this is advertised for phones cause the carriers are implementing their own HD Voice, and you'd need a BT HFP 1.6 wideband headset to take advantage of that, but what everyone seems to miss is that pretty much all VoIP apps use a wideband codec, and those work great with these HD headsets.
So, if anyone is familiar with this, could you test it on the Pixel C? You'd need a HD Voice headset, of course. I know pretty much all Sony ones are (but for some like the SBH52 and BRH10 you have to explicitly enable it with an app), and most modern ones from the big brands. If you don't know how, you can make a hangouts-to-hangouts voice call from your phone, and listen to the clarity. (Don't use Skype though, I think its Android app while it does use wideband normally, falls back to narrowband for bluetooth.) There shouldn't be much difference between using headphones and using the headset connected to the tablet. If it's not HD Voice, you'll notice a big difference with the higher frequencies, especially the "S".
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It's lame that in 2016 we still have to ask this. Google was very late to the party to implement hands-free profile 1.6 with wideband audio. They just started with the N6 in late 2014, the N5 did not have it. But, the N9 does not have it, the Shield Tablet does not have it, the N10 of course doesn't either, so no Google tablets that I know of (haven't tried a 2013 N7 though).
If you're wondering, so-called HD Voice in bluetooth (not to be confused with the carriers' "HD Voice" which is a similar thing but within their network) is also called wideband audio because normally BT cuts out at about 3kHz for voice/talk. HFP 1.6 wideband doubles the bandwidth to about 7kHz so voice is much, much clearer.
Usually this is advertised for phones cause the carriers are implementing their own HD Voice, and you'd need a BT HFP 1.6 wideband headset to take advantage of that, but what everyone seems to miss is that pretty much all VoIP apps use a wideband codec, and those work great with these HD headsets.
So, if anyone is familiar with this, could you test it on the Pixel C? You'd need a HD Voice headset, of course. I know pretty much all Sony ones are (but for some like the SBH52 and BRH10 you have to explicitly enable it with an app), and most modern ones from the big brands. If you don't know how, you can make a hangouts-to-hangouts voice call from your phone, and listen to the clarity. (Don't use Skype though, I think its Android app while it does use wideband normally, falls back to narrowband for bluetooth.) There shouldn't be much difference between using headphones and using the headset connected to the tablet. If it's not HD Voice, you'll notice a big difference with the higher frequencies, especially the "S".
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Hey Andy o
I have a Plantronics Voyager Edge with Wideband - I use it daily with my N6P on voice calls (GSM).
I'd be happy to pair it with the Pixel C and happy to try via hangouts, but no one I know uses hangouts anymore. PM me if you want to try and test this.
Seems that the pixel c has no hands free Bluetooth profile at all (not narrow band and not wide band). When you connect a Bluetooth headset the tablet pairs but doesn't connect to any hands free profile. It has A2DP for music streaming but if you were thinking of making voip call using a Bluetooth headset, forget it. Pretty lame for a $500+ device.
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Seems that the pixel c has no hands free Bluetooth profile at all (not narrow band and not wide band). When you connect a Bluetooth headset the tablet pairs but doesn't connect to any hands free profile. It has A2DP for music streaming but if you were thinking of making voip call using a Bluetooth headset, forget it. Pretty lame for a $500+ device.
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Holy crap, it appears you're right. That was unexpected. First, no GPS, then this? Damn that is terrible.
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Hey Andy o
I have a Plantronics Voyager Edge with Wideband - I use it daily with my N6P on voice calls (GSM).
I'd be happy to pair it with the Pixel C and happy to try via hangouts, but no one I know uses hangouts anymore. PM me if you want to try and test this.
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Thanks for the offer, but it appears I already have an answer, worse than I thought!
andy o said:
Holy crap, it appears you're right. That was unexpected. First, no GPS, then this? Damn that is terrible.
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Hence why I returned it. This and the lack of auto correct when typing with the keyboard killed it for me.
I wonder if this is because of the rumors that it was designed for Chrome OS which, unbelievably, just got the HFP profile last July. If so, it might be available in future updates, and would support the notion that the software on this thing was rushed out.
Regardless of the reason, it is simply unacceptable that such a premium device being sold and a high price tag will lack basic features like this.
I'm sure most users won't use a headset with this device but for the price support for it should be included. The original nexus 7 didn't have it either. The second nexus 7 had it (lowband). The nexus 9 had this profile.
This is why apple is doing so well. Everything just works.
I don't even think "premium" comes into play. That any modern tablet or phone doesn't have it is nuts. I can't imagine a modern BT chip not having support for it, so it's probably a software/drivers issue, but who knows if Google will fix it.
BTW, are you sure the 2012 N7 didn't have it? I remember it not having a TRRS (headphone+mic) connector, which also crippled it for Square payments, and which was just as dumb a product design choice. But IIRC one of the workarounds was to use a BT headset.
Also, I don't think the N9 has HFP 1.6 wideband. The audio itself is just terrible in comparison with HD-enabled devices like the N6P, N6 and my iOS devices. Even using a frequency generator just to be super sure has it cut off at just above 3500 Hz which is expected for the narrowband profile. With wideband I can still hear on the other device up to 7800 Hz or so.
Yes I don't think the N9 had wideband either. As far as I can recall the N7 2012 didn't have HFP profile either as I remember it driving me nuts that I couldn't use a Bluetooth headset on it to make voip calls.
I went ahead and opened a thread on the Google product support for the pixel c and it has been escalated. Let's see what comes back and if they intend to enable HFP on this device or not.
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I went ahead and opened a thread on the Google product support for the pixel c and it has been escalated. Let's see what comes back and if they intend to enable HFP on this device or not.
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Would you mind linking the thread? I can't seem to find it at the Google product support forums.
https://productforums.google.com/forum/m/#!categories/nexus/pixel-c
it's what i think he mentioned.
Thanks, that's it https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/nexus/f8c_iLUs_rI Will be following it.
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Regardless of the reason, it is simply unacceptable that such a premium device being sold and a high price tag will lack basic features like this.
I'm sure most users won't use a headset with this device but for the price support for it should be included. The original nexus 7 didn't have it either. The second nexus 7 had it (lowband). The nexus 9 had this profile.
This is why apple is doing so well. Everything just works.
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I don't believe the Nexus 7s or the Nexus 9 have HFP support (low or wide). I can confirm the Nexus 9 doesn't, I couldn't use my bluetooth headset for voip calls via Hangouts. Here's Google's table with Bluetooth profiles:
https://support.google.com/nexus/answer/6048862?hl=en
I can confirm that the table is correct about the Nexus 10, I used Plumble and Hangouts perfectly with the same Bluetooth headset as I used above for calls.
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I don't believe the Nexus 7s or the Nexus 9 have HFP support (low or wide). I can confirm the Nexus 9 doesn't, I couldn't use my bluetooth headset for voip calls via Hangouts. Here's Google's table with Bluetooth profiles:
https://support.google.com/nexus/answer/6048862?hl=en
I can confirm that the table is correct about the Nexus 10, I used Plumble and Hangouts perfectly with the same Bluetooth headset as I used above for calls.
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That table is wrong. I can 100% confirm that the Nexus 9 and Nexus 7 2013 did have hands free support. The Nexus 7 2012 did not.
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clubtech said:
That table is wrong. I can 100% confirm that the Nexus 9 and Nexus 7 2013 did have hands free support. The Nexus 7 2012 did not.
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I'll have to check my Nexus 9 with Plumble + Bluetooth then, only used it with Hangouts video chat and it worked great, but Hangouts Dialer calls to a phone number wouldn't work with my bluetooth headset.
Anyone here with the Pixel C on the latest developer preview? Can you confirm if they added Bluetooth headset support (hands-free profile)?
How can one check, which Codecs are used over Buetooth ?
On my Xiaomi Mi A2 Lite I can somehow enable under Developper Mode the APT-X and LDAC Codecs,
but how can I test it, if it being used e.g. in Skype for Android or other Voice Applications ?
My Blootooth Stereo Headset has Apt-X , but during Skype calls or a Wireless Video Recorder app, it still uses only the 8 Khz SBC bad audio codecs...
Any idea how I can test it and how to enable the Wideband Audio Codecs ?
Many thanks.
Regards., Stefan.
It has to support mSBC for handset:
https://www.rfwireless-world.com/Terminology/SBC-vs-mSBC-codec.html
An app like Bluetooth Monitor might show more info about the actual connection.