They pump them out boy ... "Report: Samsung to unveil Galaxy S IV smartphone in March - Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III

They pump them out boy ... "Report: Samsung to unveil Galaxy S IV smartphone in March
http://www.latimes.com/business/tec...g-galaxy-s-iv-rumors-20130123,0,1891292.story

At least they're not going all Apple and putting two models out in one year.
Plus, Sprint won't release the S4 until Summer based on a March unveiling. If the rumor is wrong, it could be Q3 for us.

I like to see the new phones, but I just got the s3 a couple months ago.
They'll probably be on the s9 by the time my upgrade comes around again. lol

sometmies i wish that they did better technology sooner, but at least they're making new stuff that is actually cool. it gives me something to look forward to, though i upgraded in october so i'm gonna be waiting quite a while. but hopefully i'll be able to pull a blackfriday deal on the s5 or s6 by then lol

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Whoooo I have my upgrade in June so if I decide to stay with sprint I will definitely get the S4
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Still Worth It?

So now after a few months on the market. Is this phone still worth purchasing or is there something significantly better coming along within 3 months that will blow this out of the water. If the products that are coming out are comparable I still see this as a viable option for an upgrade from the Thunderbolt (or am I insane?).
Anyways, hope to get some feedback regarding this to assist. Thanks!
Kind of hard to answer since most new phones are announced at mobile world congress which is next month. As of this second on Verizon there is nothing better. You can argue the rezound is equal with each having pros and cons but nothing is in the pipeline yet.
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staticx57 said:
Kind of hard to answer since most new phones are announced at mobile world congress which is next month. As of this second on Verizon there is nothing better. You can argue the rezound is equal with each having pros and cons but nothing is in the pipeline yet.
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This Mobile world congress convention that you mentioned. The phones that are going to be announced here will still have release dates that are months away from the actual event right? So best case those 'new' phones will be coming out ~5-6 months from now or are they actually being released to the public at this event?
If the resound is the only comparable phone, the Verizon Galaxy Nexus does indeed still sound way better (for me at least).
it depends on what your looking for, better hardware specs, pure android with great support with updates, or themed android with a lack of updates. Not saying those phones announced at CES are crappy, but if you want a phone that is guaranteed dev support/android updates then i'd recommend the Nexus. Yea they may have other phones that may beat it in hardware specs, but will those phones get the updates and the support that the nexus is and will be getting??? I seriously doubt it, not saying that they won't get support at all, but if u want the best experience of android, i'd recommend the nexus, i had the Epic 4g Touch(Galaxy S II) and i liked it, but i LOVE my nexus, it does everything i need it to, no complaints here, and the battery is great i get right at 2 days on one charge, u should get it, u won't regret it
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it depends on what your looking for, better hardware specs, pure android with great support with updates, or themed android with a lack of updates. Not saying those phones announced at CES are crappy, but if you want a phone that is guaranteed dev support/android updates then i'd recommend the Nexus. Yea they may have other phones that may beat it in hardware specs, but will those phones get the updates and the support that the nexus is and will be getting??? I seriously doubt it, not saying that they won't get support at all, but if u want the best experience of android, i'd recommend the nexus, i had the Epic 4g Touch(Galaxy S II) and i liked it, but i LOVE my nexus, it does everything i need it to, no complaints here, and the battery is great i get right at 2 days on one charge, u should get it, u won't regret it
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I am on the verge of pulling the pin and just getting it. Is the amount of development activity similar to what it was with the Nexus One (my last nexus phone)? I remember crack flashing nightly with all the goodies that were available. I took a looksey in the development forum (I will be with Verizon if I get it) and saw a few good things in there.
Are any of you guys currently running a custom ROM and if so, has the custom ROM development still in its infancy or is there some decent work being put out by all the developers (donations to custom developers are a part of the cost of the phone in my book )?
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Are any of you guys currently running a custom ROM and if so, has the custom ROM development still in its infancy or is there some decent work being put out by all the developers (donations to custom developers are a part of the cost of the phone in my book )?
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Well the difference between stock 4.0.1 and AOKP+Franco was just ridiculous.
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The Galaxy S III will probably blow the Nexus away, but who knows how long until it's released after it's announced at MWC. I don't really know the timeframes for that sort of thing.
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The Galaxy S III will probably blow the Nexus away, but who knows how long until it's released after it's announced at MWC. I don't really know the timeframes for that sort of thing.
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If I was going to buy a phone today I would still get the Galaxy Nexus. 6 Months to a year from now will of course be a different story. If you live in the United States we always seem to wait forever for the best stuff. EU seems to be ahead of us when it comes to the latest and greatest phones.
Good Luck!
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The Galaxy S III will probably blow the Nexus away, but who knows how long until it's released after it's announced at MWC. I don't really know the timeframes for that sort of thing.
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Sure, for about 9 months. Then the GN gets Jellybean, or Jello, or whatever. Meanwhile the GS3 gets a "Value Pack" which is subsequently pulled before it's even done because Samsung wants to sell the GS4 to you. Vote with your wallet, and vote for hardware which will get 2 years of support. Even if you flash, having up-to-date drivers makes it a lot easier to build custom ROM's.
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The Galaxy S III will probably blow the Nexus away, but who knows how long until it's released after it's announced at MWC. I don't really know the timeframes for that sort of thing.
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Since you aren't living in the United States. MWC will announce Galaxy S3 and the U.S. will get it like 8 months later because each carrier wants something to "woo" their customers with exclusive features and all these small little variants of the Galaxy S3.
By the time that all comes out, it'll be launched with a old OS and Nexus 4 will be announced.
I stay committed to only Nexus devices simply because they will last longer. Especially with a great development community.
Sometimes, the community makes the phone.

Time to make a Change

Hey You,
I've got an htc Desire for almost about 2 years now and I think it's time to get a new phone.
It's working fine though, but it fell on the floor, a part of the case broke off...
Now, what would You buy next?
I'm thinking about the Galaxy Nexus, but it's hardware seems outdated...
Would You buy the Galaxy Nexus or wait for Samsung Galaxy s 3 and htc Ville?
Which would You prefer, Samsung or htc?
Thanks
wait couple of months more
there will be MWC (Mobile World Congress) held in Spain, next week... mobile industry's biggest event. Just follow the new-comers there. You may even think of an LG, Panasonic (yes, it's coming back), or something else; after this event. And March Samsung will be announcing it's 2012 lineup.
Some kind of new era should begin regarding smartphones, in order to change Desire to something else. Because, to my opinion still all the android phone experiences are more or less the same.
First of all, thanks for Your reply,
Well, I think that means for me that won't get myself a Galaxy Nexus, I'm going to wait some time for the new Quad-Core-Machines
At the moment SGS2 is best option but if you can wait then quad cores would be there soon.
nksharma74 said:
At the moment SGS2 is best option but if you can wait then quad cores would be there soon.
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I can't wait... But I also don't want to have already an outdated phone in a couple of months.
But that's Android, I guess, You get a new phone and there's already a new one out.
I'll wait for release of s3, then I can compare it to the other new handsets of MWC12.
Thanks for Your reply

Should I get this phone or wait?

Hi Guys,
Just sold my phone (t989) and need a replacement. Should I get the galaxy nexus now?
Is it better to wait for S3?
Just not sure...any advice would help
vomer said:
Hi Guys,
Just sold my phone (t989) and need a replacement. Should I get the galaxy nexus now?
Is it better to wait for S3?
Just not sure...any advice would help
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You really need to try it yourself to make that decision.
I have a feeling a lot of unhappy owners out there are displeased with their purchase because they relied on someone else's opinion and didn't try it themselves.
adrynalyne said:
You really need to try it yourself to make that decision.
I have a feeling a lot of unhappy owners out there are displeased with their purchase because they relied on someone else's opinion and didn't try it themselves.
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just trying to get a sense of the market/time to purchase a phone.
I know both phones would be awesome but wanted to understand if it is the right time?
My opinnion is that you should w8...if you take the decision to buy it now later you will be sad because you see the technology is still growing fast, so just w8 and you'll see
Wait for S3! It'll be much much better than nexus!
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1) The S3 doesn't even officially exist
2) If you wait for the latest and greatest then you'll be waiting forever
3) If you you're on the fence about getting a Nexus device, personally, I wouldn't.
KWKSLVR said:
1) The S3 doesn't even officially exist
2) If you wait for the latest and greatest then you'll be waiting forever
3) If you you're on the fence about getting a Nexus device, personally, I wouldn't.
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This...
The S3 has not been announced yet and when it does it'll have touchwiz of some sort. It depends on the type of phone you want. If you want a pure Google experience (which is I why I purchased this phone) a Nexus is the way to go.
There will also be some new rumored device.
Get the Galaxy Nexus. The Galaxy S3 will be announced and the U.S. will get it like six months later (okay this might be a little exaggerated) but take a look at the U.S. release date for Galaxy S2. S2 was announced way long ago and Europe has had it.
U.S. carriers want to differentiate their version of the Galaxy S3. This will take months.
By the time S3 arrives at the states, the next Nexus device will be out.
Just get the Galaxy Nexus right now and enjoy it. It's a flagship Google device and maintained by Google meaning you won't have to wait for the manufacturer.
Edit: Check it out, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_S2#Launch_and_availability
UK May 1, 2011
Canada Bell Mobility,
Virgin Mobile Canada July, 2011[22][23] Samsung Galaxy S II 4G
Canada Telus October, 2011 Samsung Galaxy S II X[citation needed]
Canada Rogers Wireless November, 2011 Samsung Galaxy S II LTE (i727R)
United States Sprint September 16, 2011 Samsung 'EPIC 4G Touch'[25]
United States AT&T November 6, 2011 Samsung Galaxy S II AT&T
United States T-Mobile October 12, 2011 Samsung Galaxy S II T-Mobile
United States U.S. Cellular March 1, 2012 Samsung Galaxy S II U.S. Cellular
Caribbean Digicel December 21, 2011 Samsung Galaxy S II Digicel
Galaxy Nexus Release Date: November 17, 2011
If your needing a new phone I say get it. This will be one of the only phones that gets the updates first and you won't be waiting a year for a simple update..
if you want a more open platform i'd go with the nexus, else the SIII might be nice as well
treypwns said:
If your needing a new phone I say get it. This will be one of the only phones that gets the updates first and you won't be waiting a year for a simple update..
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This is one of the main reasons I'm considering getting the nexus. Especially considering the radio problems that may or may not be overblown, I'm sick and tired of waiting for the other manufacturers (which I know Sammy is included, but you get my point) to get their updates out. I really want the rezound, but I don't want to be waiting for 6 months when the next release of android comes out for the Ril or whatever else is needed to be released. I just am really not sure what I want to do.
Two questions, how rampant are the bluetooth issues on the gnex? And are there any other "major" problems with it. BY may be a dealbreaker if they are bad enough, but if it's overblown then ill probably go ahead and get the gnex. I'm tired of not having fully functional ics.
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Wait for S3! It'll be much much better than nexus!
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Why are you comparing a future phone/future technology that doesn't even exist with Nexus?
You might as well say Galaxy 6 will kill any tablet and phone on the market now so wait for it!
1454 said:
Two questions, how rampant are the bluetooth issues on the gnex? And are there any other "major" problems with it. BY may be a dealbreaker if they are bad enough, but if it's overblown then ill probably go ahead and get the gnex. I'm tired of not having fully functional ics.
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Everything works well for me and I've been running stock since I bought the phone. The battery life is mediocre though but you can always get the extended battery.
I need to stress this again, you DO NOT NEED to flash any ROM to enjoy the beauty of ICS. I feel that new android users always thought they HAVE to flash a rom to get the phone working well which is NOT TRUE. At least totally not true for GNex.
MilkPudding said:
Everything works well for me and I've been running stock since I bought the phone. The battery life is mediocre though but you can always get the extended battery.
I need to stress this again, you DO NOT NEED to flash any ROM to enjoy the beauty of ICS. I feel that new android users always thought they HAVE to flash a rom to get the phone working well which is NOT TRUE. At least totally not true for GNex.
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I typically run stock and just root. Which I only do that for tethering and things of that nature. I don't really care much for themeing and things of that nature. But I really like the folder options, swype away notifications and other added features in ics. That's why I want it. I wasn't like this when gb came out, I could have cared less about it. So in that regard I'm not overly zealous on cracked flashing. Plus I hate resetting up may stuff. I just wanted to make sure I knew all the problems I might incounter before jumping in feet first.

RUMOR MILL: Samsung to support Android 4.2.2 and Android 5.0 To GS3

Sweet!
Just a rumor though. Hopefully it's true! And usually Sammobile is very accurate.
**Credit to rwilco12 for finding this**
Your Source (SamMobile) really doesn't pay much attention to US Spec phones. If you notice they are talking about international models. I wouldn't extrapolate that info to mean anything about our phones.
poit said:
Your Source (SamMobile) really doesn't pay much attention to US Spec phones. If you notice they are talking about international models. I wouldn't extrapolate that info to mean anything about our phones.
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If the GS2 got Jellybean why the heck wouldn't we get 4.2.2/5.0............
Joe0113 said:
If the GS2 got Jellybean why the heck wouldn't we get 4.2.2/5.0............
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With our phones, it's not just up to Samsung. Qualcomm (because of CDMA tweaks) and Sprint are also involved in producing the ROMs.
Joe0113 said:
If the GS2 got Jellybean why the heck wouldn't we get 4.2.2/5.0............
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Sprints s2 aka the epic touch 4g hasn't got jellybean 4.2 yet... i have both phones
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Sprint is not going to waste their time updating a phone from two generations ago (GS2) to Jellybean when the GS4 is coming with Jellybean! That would be a big marketing mistake on Sprint's part. Not to mention the whole CDMA thing which complicates matters even more. We all Sprint is the least profitable of the big 4 US carriers so they aren't going to shoot themselves in the foot like that. Not to mention, those subscribers who still have the GS2 will not be as excited to upgrade to the GS4 if the android version is the same. Sprint wants them to upgrade! GS2 and GS3 will not get these updates from Sprint I am willing to put money on it lol.
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Sprint is not going to waste their time updating a phone from two generations ago (GS2) to Jellybean when the GS4 is coming with Jellybean! That would be a big marketing mistake on Sprint's part. Not to mention the whole CDMA thing which complicates matters even more. We all Sprint is the least profitable of the big 4 US carriers so they aren't going to shoot themselves in the foot like that. Not to mention, those subscribers who still have the GS2 will not be as excited to upgrade to the GS4 if the android version is the same. Sprint wants them to upgrade! GS2 and GS3 will not get these updates from Sprint I am willing to put money on it lol.
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Um ok, GS3 already has jellybean and GS2 has had multiple jellybean leaked roms so we know they are working on it. Keep in mind the cdma GS2 was just released for Boost and Virgin Mobile within the past couple months and has not been put on end of life by sprint yet, so it is still receiving support funding for software updates.
Also if you were familiar with the update life cycle of top tier samsung phones on sprint e.g. The GS1 & GS2 you would see 2 full years of android version upgrades is the norm not the exception. Look for the GS2 to get 4.1.2 and be EOL end of this year, and the GS3 to get its final update next year and EOL end of next year.
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Premium Suite still hasn't made it to USA S3s. It's not anywhere near a sure thing GS3 will get Android K. My guess is 4.2 with premium suite and some GS4 features after GS4 has been available in the market for a good while, then Sammy will be pretty much done with GS3.
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Premium Suite still hasn't made it to USA S3s. It's not anywhere near a sure thing GS3 will get Android K. My guess is 4.2 with premium suite and some GS4 features after GS4 has been available in the market for a good while, then Sammy will be pretty much done with GS3.
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Samsung like to update their U.S phones with the latest features after the launch It's newest flagship. So, after the GS4 is available in the US that's when we'll see an update.
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Honestly, as far as Carriers go, I believe Sprint is the best when it comes to OS updates. AT&T probably comes in second. And I'm basing this off carrier-specific phones, not international devices on GSM carriers.
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Sprint is not going to waste their time updating a phone from two generations ago (GS2) to Jellybean when the GS4 is coming with Jellybean! That would be a big marketing mistake on Sprint's part. Not to mention the whole CDMA thing which complicates matters even more. We all Sprint is the least profitable of the big 4 US carriers so they aren't going to shoot themselves in the foot like that. Not to mention, those subscribers who still have the GS2 will not be as excited to upgrade to the GS4 if the android version is the same. Sprint wants them to upgrade! GS2 and GS3 will not get these updates from Sprint I am willing to put money on it lol.
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Sprint was bought by Softbank by the way. They have mass amounts of money to spend. And they are not 4th in profits. Basically your whole statement is false. http://allthingsd.com/20130318/hesse-masayoshi-son-met-with-fcc-to-pitch-softbank-sprint-deal/
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I don't understand why anyone is surprised by this. Every Galaxy S phone has been updated to two major versions of android.
Galaxy S (eclair) - froyo and gingerbread
GSII (gingerbread) - ICS and jelly bean
It only makes sense that that the gs3 would get the same treatment and be updated to Key Lime Pie when it's only had one major update (jelly bean)
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I really like the phone as is, but 4.2 is pretty sweet!!!!
I believe we will get it, but they are focused on getting the GS4 selling right now so they will likely wait another 6 months or so.
Right now, you gotta pay to play with the official 4.2 phones.....or go the CM10 route which has bugs.
kayakaddict said:
I really like the phone as is, but 4.2 is pretty sweet!!!!
I believe we will get it, but they are focused on getting the GS4 selling right now so they will likely wait another 6 months or so.
Right now, you gotta pay to play with the official 4.2 phones.....or go the CM10 route which has bugs.
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Liquid Smooth all the way. No bugs what so ever. Running 4.2.2
Visionikz03 said:
Sprint is not going to waste their time updating a phone from two generations ago (GS2) to Jellybean when the GS4 is coming with Jellybean! That would be a big marketing mistake on Sprint's part. Not to mention the whole CDMA thing which complicates matters even more. We all Sprint is the least profitable of the big 4 US carriers so they aren't going to shoot themselves in the foot like that. Not to mention, those subscribers who still have the GS2 will not be as excited to upgrade to the GS4 if the android version is the same. Sprint wants them to upgrade! GS2 and GS3 will not get these updates from Sprint I am willing to put money on it lol.
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Ill bet you $50 that our s2 will get the official update.... But im also thinking that will be the last update that s2 will get
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otterboxfan4l said:
Ill bet you $50 that our s2 will get the official update.... But im also thinking that will be the last update that s2 will get
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I don't see the S2 getting Jelly Bean 4.2 update. That phone is to old for that. I see the S3 getting the 4.2 update though, but probably not the 5.0 though. By then most will have upgraded to the S4 or whatever Samsung has out.
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wickedskills said:
I don't see the S2 getting Jelly Bean 4.2 update. That phone is to old for that. I see the S3 getting the 4.2 update though, but probably not the 5.0 though. By then most will have upgraded to the S4 or whatever Samsung has out.
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I respectfully disagree. After looking at the specs for the s4, I think most people will probably hold out for the S 5. It looks like some minimal hardware upgrades and mostly software upgrades, which I believe the s3 will handle very easily. just my humble opinion though
All Battery results are on a 6300mah battery, unless otherwise noted!
We'll have to wait an see. Would rather get one that is tested and none to work then see them push to release one that is buggy.
Hopefully 4.2 comes to the us galaxy s3 none of them got premium suite update feature just the 4.1.2 that's all
It could also be that Samsung, not the carriers, puts the brakes on the S3 in favor of selling (forcing) the S4. Like when Moto stopped supporting the Photon (then a flagship device) within 6 months in order to sell more new "flagship devices" rather than update existing usable consumer products. Consumers who bought into the "latest,greatest" Moto had to offer at the time thinking they would be good for at least a couple years of contract.
It's a double edge sword where someone is going to get cut, no matter if it's from the carrier who doesn't want to spend the money to add their junk, or the manufacture who doesn't want to update "old" products.
With the devices of today, and the power they have, I see the trend moving more and more to the rooting/dev. arena to make existing devices more usable for longer periods of time.
Tech is so far advanced that now, within the terms of a typical 2 year contract, not much can be added to make a consumer justify the cost unless they just HAVE to be "better" than anyone else.
Having said that, the easiest way to continue new sales is to stop developing/supporting "older" devices.

Best place to sell galaxy s iii

It was nice having a Galaxy S III, but I've had it with my poor battery performance and lack of software updates from AT&T. (Considering the Galaxy S IV gets updates while we don't even have multi-window yet, I'm beginning to think AT&T has dropped support for it already so customers upgrade.) I'm gonna end up getting the next Nexus phone.
By the time the next Nexus phone comes out, it'll be a gen and a half old. Are there any good buyback programs you are familiar with, or would ebay be the best? What do you think the value will be around the October/November timeframe?
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It was nice having a Galaxy S III, but I've had it with my poor battery performance and lack of software updates from AT&T. (Considering the Galaxy S IV gets updates while we don't even have multi-window yet, I'm beginning to think AT&T has dropped support for it already so customers upgrade.) I'm gonna end up getting the next Nexus phone.
By the time the next Nexus phone comes out, it'll be a gen and a half old. Are there any good buyback programs you are familiar with, or would ebay be the best? What do you think the value will be around the October/November timeframe?
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I would say craigslist, i have sold ALL my devices on craigslist and it works the best, and you get the most money, but you really have to have expierence or else you would get scammed. You could trade or sell you're s3 on craigslist. And you would gain, but you have to meet up. Its really good, but you just have to be well expiereced. Hit the thanks button if i helped. :good:
Can.I.Haz.Jelly.Bean? said:
It was nice having a Galaxy S III, but I've had it with my poor battery performance and lack of software updates from AT&T. (Considering the Galaxy S IV gets updates while we don't even have multi-window yet, I'm beginning to think AT&T has dropped support for it already so customers upgrade.) I'm gonna end up getting the next Nexus phone.
By the time the next Nexus phone comes out, it'll be a gen and a half old. Are there any good buyback programs you are familiar with, or would ebay be the best? What do you think the value will be around the October/November timeframe?
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This thread is going to be locked.
And I would go with swappa. Its free and doesn't allow junk devices. And At&t wouldn't drop support for this phone, it will probably get 4.3.
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First, yes it probably will be locked
Second, swappa is probably the best place to get a fair deal and amount for your phone
Third, with the way ATT handles updates we might, maybe, possibly see 4.2.2 made official on the I747. About the only way to see 4.3 will be through an aosp based Rom (CM,AOKP, etc).
Fourth, the S3 was put on the End Of Life list about the time the Note 2 was released.
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First, yes it probably will be locked
Second, swappa is probably the best place to get a fair deal and amount for your phone
Third, with the way ATT handles updates we might, maybe, possibly see 4.2.2 made official on the I747. About the only way to see 4.3 will be through an aosp based Rom (CM,AOKP, etc).
Fourth, the S3 was put on the End Of Life list about the time the Note 2 was released.
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As he said. Thread closed.
Just an FYI ATT generally EOL a device after about 6 months Max.
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