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Should I purchase Sprint shares now??

With sprint shares down 25% is there a possibility that the iphone will tank the company? Should we as consumers be worried?
I mean if they do fail will verizon pick them up and att get tmobile? Best bet woulx be for all sprint customers to purchase some shares since they are trading at around 2.20, compared to 29.30 for att...
Only time will tell. Maybe apple will buy sprint.....
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Sprint has existed since 1899.
I think they'll make it though the iPhone.

I think your worrying may be a bit premature...
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Is the sky falling?

Engage brain to keyboard filtration please.
Thks.

20 billion on Iphone 5, 10 billion on LTE rollout, I dont think it's a money issue

craigbailey1986 said:
they are trading at around 2.20, compared to 29.30 for att...
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No offense but you that's not really how you should be valuing a stock. Stocks don't all start out at one price and go up or down from there.

oboroninja said:
I think your worrying may be a bit premature...
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I never said I was worried I said should we worry....
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ralexand said:
No offense but you that's not really how you should be valuing a stock. Stocks don't all start out at one price and go up or down from there.
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I was comparing there valuation at this present time. Being that sprint is the third largest cellular provider in usa I was comparing there current valuation.
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stefan.buddle said:
20 billion on Iphone 5, 10 billion on LTE rollout, I dont think it's a money issue
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How could it not be a money issue when they said they must raise capital to pay for it all in the NEAR future?
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craigbailey1986 said:
I never said I was worried I said should we worry....
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Well sounds to me like you are worried. I am not.
Not only that I do sales for a living and I have to raise my capital every year or I wouldn't have a job. That is how a company grows. It doesn't mean the company has no money they just want to grow.

ace0603 said:
Well sounds to me like you are worried. I am not.
Not only that I do sales for a living and I have to raise my capital every year or I wouldn't have a job. That is how a company grows. It doesn't mean the company has no money they just want to grow.
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Ok..... Like I said just wondering what this all means for the consumer, my ultimate concern is should we look at this as a cinderella story and purchase some shares while they are relatively low or should we not.waste our money.
I just got involved in buying stocks and wanted a view from those in the technology field to give theirs. Often times shareholders paint a scarier picture than those outside that field.
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talking about sprint, nothing to worry about, as stated before they are investing BILLIONS in there strategy, so they know what they are doing , I mean look they sold out of the low end iphone 4s models, so i think they'll be just fine on the iphone side , and as for lte only time will tell how well it does as its not even started rolling out yet.

That is how a company grows. It doesn't mean the company has no money they just want to grow.
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Sprint's proposal is good for all of us. If they need to raise capital, so be it. Do you think investors are going to look at the possibility of Sprint overtaking at&t as a carrier? We don't need to worry, we have nothing to lose. We should be cheering for Sprint, they are finally making a smart move and we stand to benefit greatly from it. When the LTE buildout is complete and Nextel is gone, we will have one of if not the best network in the states. I don't know what kind of cash Sprint has on hand but I would seek capital if I was making this decision. They can earn interest on their on hand cash while they spend someone elses money? Sure they will pay interest on what they borrow ~6% for bonds, but they can offset this by earning on their cash and they won't be tapping their reserves.

mattykinsx said:
Sprint has existed since 1899.
I think they'll make it though the iPhone.
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Ok....^ this literally made me LOL.

The only issue here is that major shareholders and analysts are shortsighted. This has all been a knee-jerk reaction to the fact that sprint is spending alot of money in the short-term, and a failure to recognize the huge financial benefit of having arguably the most complete and reliable network in only a couple of years.
Could this shortsightedness kill sprint? Sure, it's a harsh example of the ridiculous and asinine nature of the "stock market", exemplifying the fact that it's all fake and built on people's opinions.
But I've been making and sticking with this argument: Verizon didn't get to be the largest carrier by having the best customer service or the lowest rates; they are where they are because they had the long-term foresight to build the biggest and most reliable network. And now Sprint will have one in 2 years that will rival it (especially in terms of LTE), in addition to having much better plans and price-points.
I have a lot of faith that sprint will come out on top because of this, so long as they can just entertain the wallstreet sheep for the next two years.
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stefan.buddle said:
20 billion on Iphone 5, 10 billion on LTE rollout, I dont think it's a money issue
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The 10 billion was announced by Sprint themselves. So that's officially being spent. The 20 billion is from a rumor article put out by the WSJ. So only God knows how true that is till it is officially confirmed. If it is ever confirmed.
I agree with the fact invested/shareholders are not looking in the long term. They are scared because Sprint is making such a big financial move in such a short time span. They are more worried about their money like it's grocery money and not thinking of it as retirement money.

The stock is on sale, good time to get in.
Investors were spooked by the 4G strategy announcement, not understanding the long term benefit and the advantages unification of their spectrum gives them which no other carrier has.
Sprint already pays CLWR per their contract; instead of paying them they'll spend on capex for their network for the better LTE on 1900 mHz.
Stock should rise with all the net adds from the iPhone.
The iPhone subsidy...every smartphone is already subsidized anyway. Totally overblown. Not having the iPhone was the reason subs were leaving.

Well I am about gobba buy some shares this week. At 2.20 I should buy about 50 shares
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QUICK... EVERYBODY PANIC!
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FYI: Unlocking a cell phone becomes illegal on 1/26/13

If you're considering it, maybe do it before then!
http://mashable.com/2013/01/23/unlocking-cellphones-illegal/

They can take their "laws" and shove'em. Might as well openly tell us they are doing as told to do so by the rich companies. At the end of the day people will still do it and most likely users on craigslist will end up making more money by unlocking them for users. =s

vanberge said:
If you're considering it, maybe do it before then!
http://mashable.com/2013/01/23/unlocking-cellphones-illegal/
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but that's only for flashing phones to diff. carriers not unlocking bootloaders or rooting phones no?

luisrod03 said:
but that's only for flashing phones to diff. carriers not unlocking bootloaders or rooting phones no?
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Correct. Rooting is still legal.
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(Note that unlocking is different from "jailbreaking," which opens the phone up for running additional software and remains legal for smartphones.)
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Making things like this illegal will just make people do it more. When the government steps in an says no you cannot do something to something you have purchased then that becomes a major issue. As far as I am concerned once you enter a contract the phone is yours to do with what you want. If you break that contract then there is an ETF. If you refuse to pay the ETF then the carrier must go after you VIA other channels. It would be the same as leasing a car and then not paying on it but while you owned it you repainted it. LOL
this is just dumb.

all thats going to result from this is that you can charge allot more when unlocking a phone on craigslist or something like that. **** i used to charge 20 bucks to unlock iphones before i got tired of handling icrap

remember laws are meant to be broken so who cares what they come up with... besides this goes back to the arguments many have had on this forum and other ones ...
if i bought the device with my money that i earned the device is mine and i can do whatever i want to do with it . if i put sprint phone on verizon and i pay my bill then im not stealing or anything like that yeah its not "right" or what they want us to do but $hit many of the things carriers do to us the consumers aint right either... as long as your doing this things for your personal device and not for stalking or in any way affect or hurt someone else who cares what the law says.....
oh and to those who follow the rules to the T and dont like my statement dont even bother replying ...

Ma$etas said:
remember laws are meant to be broken so who cares what they come up with... besides this goes back to the arguments many have had on this forum and other ones ...
if i bought the device with my money that i earned the device is mine and i can do whatever i want to do with it . if i put sprint phone on verizon and i pay my bill then im not stealing or anything like that yeah its not "right" or what they want us to do but $hit many of the things carriers do to us the consumers aint right either... as long as your doing this things for your personal device and not for stalking or in any way affect or hurt someone else who cares what the law says.....
oh and to those who follow the rules to the T and dont like my statement dont even bother replying ...
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I like your statement!!! I IGNORE rules to the T.:beer::beer::beer::screwy::sly:
Pp.
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Lasted I checked I bought my phone with my money and I will do whatever I want to do with it. Government can go stick it up their butts.

Can you even use this phone on another carrier? If so, what are the adverse consequences of unlocking it now?

I dont think the reasoning behind the law is to stop individual users, but to be able to stop stores/phiscal locations that unlock phones. There's about a bazillion phone stores that you literally can walk in and have a phone unlocked and activated.

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I dont think the reasoning behind the law is to stop individual users, but to be able to stop stores/phiscal locations that unlock phones. There's about a bazillion phone stores that you literally can walk in and have a phone unlocked and activated.
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If the carrier allows you to bring your own device the government needs to stay the hell out of it. This is just one more law to generate revenue that will be next to impossible to fully enforce, just like drug laws. There's more damn drugs imported to this country and on the streets than there was when the "war on drugs" began. Land of the free my ass, if the person is hurting no one other than themselves thats their choice. Just like you should be able to do whatever the fork you want with your device that you paid for and no one should be able to say boo about it. What's next? Gonna say I can't install linux on my PC cuz it shipped with windoze? Guess where you can stick your "laws"?
I like to break stuff!

Not only is the company making money off you when you sign the contract, they're making money when you buy a phone from them. They're pissed off because they're not getting any money for the device. Greed pure and simple. Another bit of proof that large companies have the government in their pockets. They tell the politicians to make laws that protect the company's interests. I say screw those companies and stop doing business with them. Let your money do the talking and voting.

The revolving door. Smh

Sorry but it makes sense to me... in some areas. I bought my E4GT used with a clean ESN and had it flashed to Cricket. $250 total investment (including flash and porting my existing number over), and I pay less than $60 a month. I don't get 4g but I'm always around WiFi anyway, so it's a sweet deal. But...
A few years back, my old BlackBerry on Sprint was stolen. The jackhole that took it most likely walked into a Cricket store and had it flashed and activated the same day without issue.
Also, who's to stop a contract Sprint customer from reporting a phone stolen, paying a deductible for a nice replacement, then selling the "stolen" phone on Craigslist (with a clearly advertised bad ESN for Cricket/Boost/Metro only) for a handsome profit? It only takes a few to spoil the bunch, but this is actually pretty common.
But if I buy a clean and clear phone outright LEGALLY, shouldn't I have the right to flash it to whatever carrier is compatible? There really should be some kind of middle ground, where only clean ESN phones can be legally flashed. I can see some good intentions here, but as usual, Uncle Sam goes about it in a really dumb way, bending everybody over while smiling and trying to convince us it's for the best
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Im sure CDMA has long gone bee shafted. This is more as the shaft to GSM American users. Guess american businesses will lose more cash at the end of day with users either preferring to buy international unlocked phones or going the "breaking the law" route. Who is there to enforce it? And how.
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Anyone able to offer a tutorial so I can unlock my phone today before it's illegal? No joke either I really want to do this before it's illegal.
It's a E4GT on Sprint wanting to flash to Metro in the Bay Area.

Zspy1985 said:
Anyone able to offer a tutorial so I can unlock my phone today before it's illegal? No joke either I really want to do this before it's illegal.
It's a E4GT on Sprint wanting to flash to Metro in the Bay Area.
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Assuming you got a sprint e4gt why even ask? This applies to GSM devices when they mean unlock, they mean unlock it network wise ATT/T-Mobile vice versa.
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Yes. I believe ESN swapping is still considered illegal.
But you can still unlock your gsm phone legally, you just have to ask the carrier first. Just tell them you are going oversees
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Seriously!!!! they are kidding, Right??

Unlocking New Mobile Phones Becomes Illegal In the US Tomorrow
Posted on Friday January 25, @09:30AM
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Tyketto writes
"Referencing a decision outlined in the Federal Register, Tech News Daily has published an article noting that the window to unlock your new mobile phone in the U.S. is closing. 'In October 2012, the Librarian of Congress, who determines exemptions to a strict anti-hacking law called the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), decided that unlocking mobile phones would no longer be allowed. But the library provided a 90-day window during which people could still buy a phone and unlock it. That window closes on January 26.' While this doesn't apply to phones purchased before the window closes, this means that after 1/26/13, for any new mobile phone you purchase, you'll have to fulfill your contract, or break the law to unlock it."
It will still be perfectly legal to purchase an unlocked phone, which many carriers offer. This change removes the exemption for buying a new phone under contract (and thus, at a discount) and then unlocking it.

Yes to monopolize and to limit the development on android. These apple and samsung are both sharks who owns the senate )
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Sadly old news, just because its illegal wont stop it happening though same as console modding, piracy or any other such thing. They are just taking the view of carrier locks should be DCMA protected. I dont agree with it but well theres quite a few things I dont agree with that get into law. Thankfully im not over in the states or I would be a dirty dirty criminal.

Just to reiterate, this only applies to after market SIM Unlocking - e.g. places where you pay money to sim unlock phones. Doesn't apply to carrier sim unlocking, factory unlocked phones, or bootloader unlocking.

jonshipman said:
Just to reiterate, this only applies to after market SIM Unlocking - e.g. places where you pay money to sim unlock phones. Doesn't apply to carrier sim unlocking, factory unlocked phones, or bootloader unlocking.
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This.
You can still unlock the bootloader, root and flash to your hearts content. You just can't buy a phone on AT&T unlock by a third party and move to T-Mobile. Also it only applies to the USA.
HTC's sudden anti developer stance is far more worrying and is going to lose them a lot of customers.
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Land of the no longer free.
People could have stopped that bill easily but hardly anyone bothered to read it and thought it was merely about illegal downloads.
Supporting a campaign against it and spreading the word was one of the reasons they went all out to close demonoid the torrent site down.

To be honest i don't see why any carrier should sim lock a phone, after all when you sign a contract you are bound for that contract length regardless of the phone being locked/unlocked.
After the contract is finished you will either stay with that carrier or upgrade again all with the phone being locked or unlocked.
I tend to get my phones from shops that sell them already unlocked & i have been with the same carrier for 8 years now.

Network SIM locking is one thing, breaking US law unlocking your damn focking phone is ridiculous, you own the focking thing anyway,Americans laws are really strange

I hope this will not happen in EU

Sounds absolutely ridiculous to me, Android's open source so whats the deal? Unless I'm missing something. As someone mentioned previously, I hope it doesn't come to the eu.

fmaskarin said:
I hope this will not happen in EU
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The Americans are pressuring the EU to adopt the legislation as international law. One of the few partys resisting it are these guys
http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/

Braderzf50 said:
Sounds absolutely ridiculous to me, Android's open source so whats the deal? Unless I'm missing something. As someone mentioned previously, I hope it doesn't come to the eu.
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What does Android been open source have to do with SIM unlocking?
OP: Can you put in the title that this applies to SIM unlocking to help out people that dont read before ranting???

Fellows here comes the trend of buying unlocked phones. These carriers will cry once people start buying their own phones. They will only get the utility and less profit.
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I can understand this as the network are subsidising the cost of the phone expecting to make the money back during the contract - but even if you unlock it to another network your still going to be liable for the monthly contract charges? so this only makes sense for PAYG which aren't greatly reduced from the unlocked price anyway.

SIM-unlock is illegal in the U.S

Guys i wounder if you are aware of it
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Removing SIMlocks was banned in the United States from 26 January. Everyone who buys the phone with a SIMlock after that date in order to "free" his mobile will need to obtain an official permission from a carrier . The new legal regulation does not include phones purchased before January 25, carriers are still free to offer unlocked handsets. However, if an American buys a phone with a SIMlock, he would be unable to remove blockages in simple way without permission.
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NO UNLOCKED SIM-LOCK= NO UNLOCKED BOOTLOADER
Oh how glade i am that i am not in USA?:laugh: how much i hate anti -hacker policy !
Warning think twice before you buy phone !!! Simfree

You can always break the law

America. Land of the free..........
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You just have to buy them sim free... Obvious, no?
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alexpraga said:
You just have to buy them sim free... Obvious, no?
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Yeah,and what if its much cheaper to buy on the contract,how about that?

There's a huge problem with this law... Developers are NOT going to honor it. In theory, and on paper, they will. (To protect themselves from legal action) ... But the fact of the matter is this.. It's illegal to download music... How many people has THAT stopped?
If anything, this new law in effect will cause an outrage, and actually help the community. It's bred in our genetic code to be "curious"... So that "curiosity" may very well spark new findings and methods for unlocking, just for the simple fact "someone" is trying to tell us we can't.
This wasn't put in play to hurt the modification community. It was put in place to protect the carriers themselves.
Retail Value -vs- Contract termination to move your newly unlocked phone to a cheaper carrier.
Contract termination is almost always cheaper... So the carriers are actually losing money that way. It's all about the money, and never about the customer. Well...the majority of the time anyways..

power323f said:
America. Land of the free..........
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You mean united states, because America Is not a country, is a continent.

I honestly think we should feel stepped down on devs pride with this law.The operators are putting themselves in "God Mode" and trying to stick you to them.They have absolutely no right to this!Screw these bastards!

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You mean united states, because America Is not a country, is a continent.
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Yes i know. But ask somebody in the United States of America on the street and they will say they live in America.
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I think this will just make people who really care about this sort of thing step back and take a look at how much money they are wasting buying locked phones. Last time I checked and things may have changed is when I buy a carrier locked phone from att the phone it self costs me 100$ while the phone unlocked is about 450$ so they make it sound like I am getting a good deal buying the phone with two year contracts while in turn they force me to buy expensive and UN-needed carrier provided data plans that are extremely limited. Last time I was with att back when g1 came out it cost me something like 49$ for the phone plan plus extra 39$ for data plan they would not allow me to get the cheaper data plans since the higher priced one in what was "required" by that phone. Soon I canceled that plan. Next I bought with cash a sony x10 cost me something like 300$ then I had my 39$ unlimited talk and text from t-mobile and then 10$ a month for 2gb data since it is all i needed since wifi is everywhere. That saved me 29$x24 months = 696$ - 300 for the phone = total savings of 396$ Not counting the fact that t-mobile plan was cheaper.
Point is for the most part it is cheaper to get an unlocked phone and a lower data plan than it is to buy a contracted phone.
and btw this law effects SIM locks only not BOOTLOADER locks. Still safe to break bootloaders for now. Odd how last year the DMCA made it so they had to give us unlock codes and now it makes it so it is illegal to unlock sims.

DekinGBar said:
I honestly think we should feel stepped down on devs pride with this law.The operators are putting themselves in "God Mode" and trying to stick you to them.They have absolutely no right to this!Screw these bastards!
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It still comes down to the fact that carriers pay you to use their service for 18 months - 2 years. They pay you by giving a $400-$600 phone to you for CHEAP and even FREE prices. No one is forcing anybody to get a subsidized phone instead of unlocked versions. This reaction is comparable to free G-Mail users complaining about how Google scans and saves ALL users E-mail to create a database on them for possible ways to sell something. They can do this because YOU LET THEM. If you don't like how AT&T or others treat customers then don't use their services
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Yes i know. But ask somebody in the United States of America on the street and they will say they live in America.
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Only if you ask someone that doesn't care about the United States of America, how it was founded and the Constitution that gives us our Liberty.
Sorry for the off-topic, but as a happy AT&T customer and a citizen of the USA I felt the need to mini-rant
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DekinGBar said:
Yeah,and what if its much cheaper to buy on the contract,how about that?
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It seems cheaper but it's not in the long run! Telecom companies are not really there to buy us phones from manufacturers and give them to us! We are just asking for a loan to buy a phone!

DekinGBar said:
Yeah,and what if its much cheaper to buy on the contract,how about that?
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I don't know about your country but in Germany it is always a lot cheaper to buy an unlocked phone.
The only difference is that when you get a locked phone from a carrier, you don't have to pay it all at once (but with extremely high monthly fees)
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Please note that is not completely illegal for you to unlock your phone in the US - you just cannot use third party companies to do it. A carrier can willingly allow you to unlock your phone - this part is not illegal as they still can issue an unlock code if it inline with their unlock policies.

Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal. Hurry!!! Few Days Left!!!
Here is the link where you can submit your vote against making unlocking illegal (new government program)
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/make-unlocking-cell-phones-legal/1g9KhZG7

mine420 said:
and btw this law effects SIM locks only not BOOTLOADER locks. Still safe to break bootloaders for now.
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Sv: SIM-unlock is illegal in the U.S
In Denmark we don't have SIM locks anymore... Only on iPhone if there is any
What is the penalty for unlocking the lock in the US then?
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I don't day that. I say I live in heaven
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I wish Google would put the screws to large scale mobile carriers

Title sums rant.
Android is Google's operating system, and its not like the majority of developers here are interested in what they can change on their iOS devices.
When people realize the vast improvement their device can take without the added congestion of what mobile networks think you want/are contractually obligated to bloat YOUR phone/device with, they take a different stance on Android completely (at least, I do), and will not move to another operating system UNLESS this hogwash of carrier vs. customer continues.
We purchase the phone, we OWN the phone, as long as we're not doing anything illegal, such as stealing or tampering with Verizon's physical property, WE should be able to customize the software however we want. We're not BUYING the 'software' when we're buying a phone, I'm not choosing to purchase the entire Android experience in its entirety, with absolutely no modified software guaranteed, I'm not choosing to buy the integrated "spy" software or asking for my mobile service provider to collect all this 'anonymous' data so that they can just throw me advertisements or hope I'll ever be interested in paying $2.99 a month for visual voice mail. When you buy a desktop computer, you have the option of removing all of the software components and installing your own on your physical hardware.
Isn't what Verizon is doing technically monopolizing the mobile software industry by forcing a device owner to use specific software that they will not remove? Why not just offer a 'developer edition' line right alongside of the stock phone for a premium? There are already several devices on their network that have exploits and custom software installed on them, so any inclination that their 'security' is at risk, and therefore they forbid unlocked bootloaders is a flat lie, OR wouldn't they be compelled to suspend or terminate service to all those accounts? Why do they get the option to decide which users are allowed to 'break the law' or 'terms of contract?'
I think the only way this issue can ever get resolved is if the software vendor in Google puts its foot into it and demands all carriers allow for an unlocked bootloader. Maybe we all collectively as Google customers should voice our concerns in that direction. Anyone else agree?

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True.
HTC needs Verizon but Verizon needs Android.
Google should start saying this is an open platform leave it alone. With 80% android market share Verizon would have to conform.

I agree, but I think people grossly overestimate the power of this community. If every single one of us stopped buying phones to try and force Google's hand, that would be a loss of like... less than a percent to Google and the manufacturers. The fact is that the very vast majority does not care about unlocked boot loaders and roms and root and s-off. So... I think we will be dealing with these issues indefinitely.
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Google is still the company that needs to lay down the law. They make money off of root apps and apps developed on rooted phones, they should be upset that Verizon impliments all these restrictions.

The only thing I disagree with is the term own. Unless you buy it outright you lease it until your contract is up.
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cstrife999 said:
The only thing I disagree with is the term own. Unless you buy it outright you lease it until your contract is up.
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If I had the option of paying $199.99 at a subsidized rate but was forced to have my phone locked down or could pay full price for an unlocked version, I'd be paying full price almost every time, with that infrequent time being that the phone already had an exploit.

rmaccamr said:
If I had the option of paying $199.99 at a subsidized rate but was forced to have my phone locked down or could pay full price for an unlocked version, I'd be paying full price almost every time, with that infrequent time being that the phone already had an exploit.
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Yea. Sales of the gs4 and one gpe editions were pretty decent based on this principal. Same for the nexus 4 which just dropped the 8gb model to 200... Off contract...
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I hear ya, I dont understand it either, and the fact that HTC made the phone but has to listen to Verizon in removing the ability to unlock the bootloader? People have already unlocked the phone and its obvious that the phone still can be unlocked but Verizon is allowed to tell HTC what to do with their phone that is also on every other carrier and can be unlocked?
Its a bunch of bull and I wish I could leave Verizon but they unfortunately have the best coverage for me and I get the biggest discount from my job, so I would lose even more if I switched. At least the One is a fantastic phone even with it not being rooted and I cant say that too much about many other phones

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lets see what will do?

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Well said, but sadly it is true that both of them will be making money with or without us. The majority of smartphone users barely scratch the surface of what their phones are capable of, even before rooting or jailbreaking. A good amount of people I work with don't even have phones linked to google accounts. Just phone calls and aol mail for them. And they are rocking $300 smartphones with data packages and all.

cstrife999 said:
The only thing I disagree with is the term own. Unless you buy it outright you lease it until your contract is up.
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^ This.

cstrife999 said:
The only thing I disagree with is the term own. Unless you buy it outright you lease it until your contract is up.
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You aren't leasing a phone. You are getting a subsidized price on the equipment by agreeing to stay with the company for terms of the contact. You own it. You aren't leasing it. You are not obligated to stay with them. You pay a term fee if you decide to leave to make up for the subsidy.
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That's the double-edges sword of open software like Android. The exact same rights that allow us to modify Android to be the way we want it gives carriers the ability to load up their bloatware and lock it down. I think it would be a bad idea for Google to mandate anything simply because it goes against the entire concept of Android being so open. Also it would motivate carriers to find alternatives. As huge as it is in the mobile market, the truth is most people who bought their Android phones bought them because they looked good and had neat features. If those features happen to have the name "Android", "Windows", "Ubuntu", or anything else attached to them makes no difference whatsoever.
If we want this to change we need to directly petition Verizon to stop locking things down. If they don't change their ways we need to be willing to leave them for another carrier and tell them why we're leaving on our way out the door. The reality though - as has been mentioned already - is that we're a very small part of Verizon's user base and don't really have much of a voice. Verizon currently has about 120,000,000 subscribers (Thanks for the correction josh995) in the U.S. (source) The entirety of the XDA Developers user base is 5,426,190, which obviously isn't all Verizon subscribers. We have to count on them taking the concerns of the enthusiasts into account more than casual users. Sure, we're the guys and gals that are more likely to brick our phones and make shady warranty claims, but we're also the guys and gals that buy phones at full price because we want the latest and greatest. We're also the ones that others come to for advice on phones and carriers.
tl;dr - Google shouldn't do anything about this, we need to make ourselves heard by the carriers directly.

I couldn't agree more. I still have my Verizon Galaxy nexus and will always cherish it. Its ridiculous how difficult unlocking the bootloader has become on Verizon devices. If I didn't have my grandfather data plan I'd be with a different carrier yesterday
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