$30 Tmo Plan... Wifi calling wont work (I also use Sipdroid and Gtalk) - T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II

So I set up a basic Pbx'es account and use sipdroid and surprisingly its working flawless with near perfect reception in my city (even on the road on 4G)
I did not port my number as I will text through my main line, and answer real quick call that come through my original Tmo number and call them back via Sipdroid. I rarely ever use my phone for calls.
The thing is I want to be able to use my main number over wifi while at home. Wifi is currently on (and I have the notification reading Wi-Fi calling ready, when I even make a call via my main number the blue wifi call goes GREEN, but its really not using wifi....
I already burned through 25 minutes on my 100 minute plan trusting wifi calling.....
any idea why this is not working?

Wifi calling will still use minutes on prepaid plans.

kozmo21 said:
Wifi calling will still use minutes on prepaid plans.
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wow that pisses me off.... gonna make laugh even harder each month that I save $65 in my pocket....

Free wifi calling is in my plan
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horr1blek1tten said:
Free wifi calling is in my plan
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You on $30 month plan? If so I fear something got confused between sipdroid and gtalk..

plasticslug said:
So I set up a basic Pbx'es account and use sipdroid and surprisingly its working flawless with near perfect reception in my city (even on the road on 4G)
I did not port my number as I will text through my main line, and answer real quick call that come through my original Tmo number and call them back via Sipdroid. I rarely ever use my phone for calls.
The thing is I want to be able to use my main number over wifi while at home. Wifi is currently on (and I have the notification reading Wi-Fi calling ready, when I even make a call via my main number the blue wifi call goes GREEN, but its really not using wifi....
I already burned through 25 minutes on my 100 minute plan trusting wifi calling.....
any idea why this is not working?
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Wifi calling does work, as you have just used it to make 25 minutes of calling. It just count against your minutes because you are prepaid.
There is much confusion around this.
You have to be in a qualifying contract plan for the service to not use your minutes. I'm in a classic 500 minutes plan and can yap all day long on wifi calling without using my minutes.
On prepaid this is only beneficial to the user if he/she is in a bad signal area (i.e. basement) and would not be able to make a phone call without the wifi calling feature.
When they say it is free, it is in a sense that they don't charge extra to use that feature.

plasticslug said:
You on $30 month plan? If so I fear something got confused between sipdroid and gtalk..
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No classic 500
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Can anybody extract an installable wifi calling apk file on G2 (if any)?

I'd like to see whether it exists and can anybody extract it out and I'll try to install on nexus one to see how it works.
mingkee said:
I'd like to see whether it exists and can anybody extract it out and I'll try to install on nexus one to see how it works.
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It's not on the shipping rom...
You should be able to pull it from the dumped euro rom if I'm not mistaken.
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rUsTyRuSs said:
You should be able to pull it from the dumped euro rom if I'm not mistaken.
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Lol what.no
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http://www.androidcentral.com/t-mobile-g2-wont-have-free-tethering-may-have-wifi-calling
doesn't come installed yet- from what I've read, it will be included in an OTA
It is not installed got mine this weekend in austin at the android bbq from the tmobile pr rep
Wonder if G2 will be support for the wifi application and service ?
Sounds awesome, but no body is discussing price. Do WiFi minutes use your normal minutes, or is there a separate cost (has to be for international), or is (National) WiFi calling completely FREE?
If I can save minutes using WiFi at home and have no additional costs, that would be awesome.
...also, I assume the phone cannot receive calls (from your normal number) over WiFi, can it? It would be even nicer to be able to make and receive calls with the cellular network completely turned off. Imagine the battery life!
rpmccormick said:
Sounds awesome, but no body is discussing price. Do WiFi minutes use your normal minutes, or is there a separate cost (has to be for international), or is (National) WiFi calling completely FREE?
If I can save minutes using WiFi at home and have no additional costs, that would be awesome.
...also, I assume the phone cannot receive calls (from your normal number) over WiFi, can it? It would be even nicer to be able to make and receive calls with the cellular network completely turned off. Imagine the battery life!
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Price will most likely be free like uma. On my wife's bold, wifi calls are free. The cellular radio will not need to be active as that would defeat the purpose. However, the new system doesn't do wifi to cellular hand-off. So if you leave the range of your wifi network, the call is dropped. also, I'm not sure how this is going to pan out, but the system apparently connects to the towers via the internet and the towers connect the call. I'm not sure if this means you need to be in a serviceable area or not, but it seemed rather odd to me.
In regards to the wifi calling app. The service (ability to make calls over wifi) will be free, making phone calls will deduct from normal minute buckets. T-Mobile states that they have it use your minutes because while it doesn't use a local tower it still goes through their system (ie call gets routed through web to tmobile switch and then is sent through a landline, which of course tmobile still pays the owner for, using @home only cuts the use of the one tower and base station, you still register on the network so you can use your normal # and receive calls. Which brings me to my last point...) you should be able to receive calls just fine.
One thing to keep in mind, wifi signal is degraded more heavily by the way you hold the phone than cell signal, if you download an app that monitors cell and wifi signal, you can see this for yourself. Something to keep in mind if you notice your calls are dropping a lot on wifi or you are missing calls.
In regards to needing to be in a servicable area, the service will work as long as there is wifi. Even in other countries.
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But no free min via wifi, even for incoming? Lame and usless unless you have poor voice signal where you are.
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rpmccormick said:
But no free min via wifi, even for incoming? Lame and usless unless you have poor voice signal where you are.
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True enough. In the past you could add unlimited calling over wifi for $10 per line or $20 for up to five. This feature was discountinued in 2008, with tmobile claiming only a tiny percentage of consumers used the service and that it would remain fir business customers (albeit at a higher price.)
If enough people request it, maybe tmobile will come out with the feature sooner. If you really want something like that, request it at @tmobile on twitter, ask on facebook, post on the support forums or call customer care. If enough people want it, it will happen.
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Skype????????
I wonder how this will work on corporate plans.
we have about 150 blackberrys with wifi calling and we have a deal where it does not deduct from our minute pool
I really hope it comes out as an OTA.
Not because I'm concerned with wifi calling, I'm concerned with an OTA coming out... one that can help those many times smarter than I get root.
..That said bring it up to tmo at any chance!
so let me get this straight, so if i have the unlimited wifi (which i do) then when the wi-fi calling gets here (hopefully soon) then it will NOT be deducted from my minutes bucket right ?
Use skype........
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so let me get this straight, so if i have the unlimited wifi (which i do) then when the wi-fi calling gets here (hopefully soon) then it will NOT be deducted from my minutes bucket right ?
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It will still use your minutes.
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jasonvieira said:
I wonder how this will work on corporate plans.
we have about 150 blackberrys with wifi calling and we have a deal where it does not deduct from our minute pool
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tl;dr
In short, no idea yet
In the billing system your calls from uma phones (and @home phones) get tagged as being a hotspot call (you see this on your paper or net bill with a letter designation.) The free uma calling service relies on the tag to make the calls free. If calls from the wifi calling app get this tag (it should show even without the free calling feature) the the calls will be free from the wifi calling app through the unlimited uma calling feature, otherwise no.
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so let me get this straight, so if i have the unlimited wifi (which i do) then when the wi-fi calling gets here (hopefully soon) then it will NOT be deducted from my minutes bucket right ?
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no, it won't be deducted from your minutes if you're already grandfathered & paying the monthly fee for unlimited uma/hotspot minutes (that's directly from the tmo techs' wifi calling training doc)

[Q] Tmobile Prepaid $30 unlimited data & texts

I currently have straighttalk and was throttled twice in a week for supposedly going over the data limit (hadnt gone over 500mb) and for tethering. I see that walmart sells the $30 unlimited data/text prepaid plan. My question is can i use my sg3 with that plan and could i use my sg3 to make wifi calls and set up a google voice account to make up for only the 100 minutes ?
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I currently have straighttalk and was throttled twice in a week for supposedly going over the data limit (hadnt gone over 500mb) and for tethering. I see that walmart sells the $30 unlimited data/text prepaid plan. My question is can i use my sg3 with that plan and could i use my sg3 to make wifi calls and set up a google voice account to make up for only the 100 minutes ?
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Yes you can use your S3 and yes you can use WiFi calling.
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kobe4rings said:
I currently have straighttalk and was throttled twice in a week for supposedly going over the data limit (hadnt gone over 500mb) and for tethering. I see that walmart sells the $30 unlimited data/text prepaid plan. My question is can i use my sg3 with that plan and could i use my sg3 to make wifi calls and set up a google voice account to make up for only the 100 minutes ?
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I assume you have the Tmobile S3? Which prepaid are you referring to? Tmobile has their own $30 prepaid for 100 min, unlimited text, and 5gb of data. If that's what you're talking about then you can use your s3 for that plan. Wifi calling is built into the phone but it will still use up the 100 min. Google voice is something different which I'm not sure how to set that up.
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I assume you have the Tmobile S3? Which prepaid are you referring to? Tmobile has their own $30 prepaid for 100 min, unlimited text, and 5gb of data. If that's what you're talking about then you can use your s3 for that plan. Wifi calling is built into the phone but it will still use up the 100 min. Google voice is something different which I'm not sure how to set that up.
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To add extra minutes to that plan you could use a third party app like grooveip or tapatalk. Youll just have to be on wifi I believe
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I assume you have the Tmobile S3? Which prepaid are you referring to? Tmobile has their own $30 prepaid for 100 min, unlimited text, and 5gb of data. If that's what you're talking about then you can use your s3 for that plan. Wifi calling is built into the phone but it will still use up the 100 min. Google voice is something different which I'm not sure how to set that up.
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So wifi calling would eat up the 100 minutes ? I thought it wouldn't use those minutes. Regardless ill still try it out in 2 weeks when my straighttalk plan ends.
kobe4rings said:
So wifi calling would eat up the 100 minutes ? I thought it wouldn't use those minutes. Regardless ill still try it out in 2 weeks when my straighttalk plan ends.
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WiFi calling is only to give you better signal. It does still use your minutes. You need to use VOIP if you want more minutes
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joshnichols189 said:
WiFi calling is only to give you better signal. It does still use your minutes. You need to use VOIP if you want more minutes
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Ohh i see. i read google voice and grooveip would do the trick.
kobe4rings said:
So wifi calling would eat up the 100 minutes ? I thought it wouldn't use those minutes. Regardless ill still try it out in 2 weeks when my straighttalk plan ends.
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Ya unfortunately with the $30 prepaid it will eat up the 100 minutes. Now if you have the Value plan $64.99 or Classic $84.99 plan or higher then you can add unlimited wifi calling minutes which wont deduct from you allowable minutes but thats only available with those plans.
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Ohh i see. i read google voice and grooveip would do the trick.
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It will, and you dont have to be on wifi for grooveip either. As long as you have 3g/4g you should be good to go. (at least on the paid version, not sure about the free one)
Grooveip or Talkatone will work without using up your minutes. Only problem is they need a fast network for it to work well. It's fine if you're on wifi or hspa, but not good on edge speeds.
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Might want to look at the new prepaid options. The new $70 truly unlimited 4g everything plan- no hotspot. The wifi hotspot is taken care of by rooting but to each their own. They also have a $60 value plan for 500 minutes and unlimited texts and 4g data. I think the lowest with hotspot is $75 but they all have caps like 2/5/10 GB data before throttled.

wifi calling

anyone tried wifi calling on this? does it work decently and is it easy to use? would like to be able to go with 1000 minute package and save some dough if the wifi calling really works well and its easy enough for the wife to use when she talks to her mother all night.
.........it's the same Wi-Fi calling just as any other phone. .......Nothing new. .........
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It works just like you are using the normal network including using the minutes on your plan. Its main claim to fame is to connect where there's no signal from a tower. It is NOT free minutes. Still the 1000 minute plan will go further than you think because evenings, weekends, and mobile to mobile calls don't count. If you work during the day and your family is on tmobile most calls will not count against your plan. I share 1000 minutes with my wife who talks a lot (evenings as she has a day job) and we never come close to using them all. Figuring week days only equals 20 days in 4 weeks and allows an average of 50 minutes a day of prime time talking. Who has time to talk that much during the work week? Not me.
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gatorrph said:
It works just like you are using the normal network including using the minutes on your plan. Its main claim to fame is to connect where there's no signal from a tower. It is NOT free minutes. Still the 1000 minute plan will go further than you think because evenings, weekends, and mobile to mobile calls don't count. If you work during the day and your family is on tmobile most calls will not count against your plan. I share 1000 minutes with my wife who talks a lot (evenings as she has a day job) and we never come close to using them all. Figuring week days only equals 20 days in 4 weeks and allows an average of 50 minutes a day of prime time talking. Who has time to talk that much during the work week? Not me.
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Wifi calls only use up minutes on prepaid plans. You have unlimited wifi call minutes on plans that include a 2yr contract (Value or Classic plans).
rmgill said:
Wifi calls only use up minutes on prepaid plans. You have unlimited wifi call minutes on plans that include a 2yr contract (Value or Classic plans).
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Not true... it uses minutes regardless of whatever plans you have (I know, I'm on a 1000 minute Value Plan and I use wifi calling whenever I'm in my apartment). Also, I don't believe you can use wifi calling on prepaid plans? (correct me if I'm wrong).
I think it used to use minutes, the website clearly states it does not use your minutes.
Wifi-calling works well on note 2? I keep hearing its buggy? Phone not ringing while on standby, not able to answer and recipient can't hear you etc. :/
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I think it used to use minutes, the website clearly states it does not use your minutes.
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Source?
here's a support document for it:
http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-1680
Under billing:
Billing
There is no additional monthly charge to use the Wi-Fi Calling feature on your handset. Wi-Fi Calling uses monthly plan minutes for the following:
Calls made from the US to US numbers
Calls made from the US to international numbers (subject to international rates)
Calls made from outside the US to US numbers (not charged roaming)
Calls made from outside the US to international numbers (subject to international rates, but not charged roaming)
Note: You must disable Data Roaming when traveling internationally to avoid incurring data roaming charges.
In short, it's "free" ie. it's a FEATURE that allows you to make phone calls over Wifi, but you're still limited to amount of minutes you have on your plan.
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Wifi-calling works well on note 2? I keep hearing its buggy? Phone not ringing while on standby, not able to answer and recipient can't hear you etc. :/
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It works fine for me . No problems as far as I can tell.
I don't understand why they would charge you for your minutes on Internet calls. Isn't the whole point for when their data is unavailable? Are they contributing much architecture to that voip call?
girl in the store said the wifi calling doesn't use minutes. But regardless, my main concern is how tmobiles wifi calling works as far as voice quality and ease of use.
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I don't understand why they would charge you for your minutes on Internet calls. Isn't the whole point for when their data is unavailable? Are they contributing much architecture to that voip call?
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It get's routed through their systems not like VOIP.
robl45 said:
girl in the store said the wifi calling doesn't use minutes. But regardless, my main concern is how tmobiles wifi calling works as far as voice quality and ease of use.
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For the 4 or 5 calls I've used it on so far it worked just fine. I couldn't tell it was any different than a normal network call. Use is seamless, by default the phone uses wifi networks when available. You don't have to do anything to activate or use it except connect to a wireless network, everything else is automatic and transparent to the user. You won't even know you are using it except for the icon that shows in the notification bar. Voice quality is the same as any other call on both ends of the conversation.
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I don't understand why they would charge you for your minutes on Internet calls. Isn't the whole point for when their data is unavailable? Are they contributing much architecture to that voip call?
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She may be mistaken with the addon which is free, but only works when you travel outside the US and use wifi calling.
"Free wifi calling" is a feature that must be explicitly added to your account. It doesn't cost extra, and when you have it, wifi calling does not use plan minutes. I don't know whether it's available for prepaid and value plans, but I have it on my classic plan and it saves me a lot of money. I just had to call and ask to have it added to my account.
Thanks for the responses, sounds like this could work well especially if it won't use minutes. I assume it works just as well on galaxy s3? I'm getting this but wife might want something smaller
wmm said:
"Free wifi calling" is a feature that must be explicitly added to your account. It doesn't cost extra, and when you have it, wifi calling does not use plan minutes. I don't know whether it's available for prepaid and value plans, but I have it on my classic plan and it saves me a lot of money. I just had to call and ask to have it added to my account.
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Are you on a legacy classic plan? I remember it being that way a way back, but was later removed as an option. If you had a really low plan it was a $5 charge, but if you on their larger minute plans it was included.
robl45 said:
Thanks for the responses, sounds like this could work well especially if it won't use minutes. I assume it works just as well on galaxy s3? I'm getting this but wife might want something smaller
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OP, see my post earlier w/ documentation that it DOES use minutes...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=33409120&postcount=8
i don't know if it was a special then but last week i was on t-mo's website and they had a banner ad for wi-fi calling and it stated it did not use minutes, which was a good selling point for me. i can't find it now of course....what the craps
I can confirm that "Free Wi-Fi Calling" is a feature that must be added, and that it works on the Value plans. The description of the addon:
"T-Mobile Free Wi-Fi Calling gives you unlimited Wi-Fi minutes, unlimited high speed data and when travelling internationally free calls back to the USA – all at no additional cost."
I just checked my online account info and it's been added. I had to call to add it.
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I can confirm that "Free Wi-Fi Calling" is a feature that must be added, and that it works on the Value plans. The description of the addon:
"T-Mobile Free Wi-Fi Calling gives you unlimited Wi-Fi minutes, unlimited high speed data and when travelling internationally free calls back to the USA – all at no additional cost."
I just checked my online account info and it's been added. I had to call to add it.
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Unlimited Wi-Fi minutes means that you can make any call you want over Wifi, but it doesn't actually mean that you get unlimited minutes... put it like this, it's just business jargon.
And that entire sentence is just marketing... if you're on wifi, of course you get "unlimited high speed data" and for the "interntionally free calls back to the USA" that makes sense because internet is location agnostic... you're simply connecting to T-Mobile servers and making calls, but from T-Mobile's side of things it's not free because they still have to connect you to the other person you're calling, and usually if you call land lines, the person who calls, pays.

Can someone explain why wifi calling is so popular!

I don't understand why wifi calling is so important to people. Especially if it means you can have multi window without it. Anyways doesn't everyone have unlimited minutes these days?
trevor7428 said:
I don't understand why wifi calling is so important to people. Especially if it means you can have multi window without it. Anyways doesn't everyone have unlimited minutes these days?
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I agree!
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For me its the fact that reception is horrible in my apartment, if you go outside its fine. I dont like going outside just to make a call every time so the wifi calling gives me reception inside.
Reception is the issue
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I guessing it's free and reception issues. I'm not a big fan though
I live out in the boonies absolutely no signal within a few miles from the house. Wish I didn't have to have it esp since I love that All Star so much.
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I live in a townhouse within viewing distance from a cell tower and yet in my house I can get maybe 1 signal at one of the house (sometimes none at all). If I wanted to make a call I had to go to the garage. So wifi calling is important to me.
I'd be willing to sacrifice wifi calling for a multi-window rom if (and only if) I found a reliable option for wifi calling that's free, because t-mobile's wifi calling works very well for me.
It ABSOLUTELY is reception for many people. T-Mobile's fantastic when you get a good signal, but step inside any building made of concrete, or a brick house, or a house with other signal attenuating characteristics and you're screwed, dead zone. It's why I dumped TMo a couple of years ago, though I came back to try their Note II and newer HSPA+42 data service.
My office building is still a data dead zone, but voice calls come in if I'm near a window. My house, though, TMo's gone from a dead zone two years ago to a full-bars signal.
I went to south dakota a few weeks ago to visit my brother and his family.. t mobile, Verizon, Sprint and att reception there is abysmal.. if it wasn't for Wi-Fi calling i would've been screwed.. it's so bad there i asked my brother, "how do u deal with this reception?" Seriously i had zero bars from Irene sd to sioux falls sd if it wasn't for Wi-Fi i wasn't gonna be talking to anyone...
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trevor7428 said:
I don't understand why wifi calling is so important to people. Especially if it means you can have multi window without it. Anyways doesn't everyone have unlimited minutes these days?
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minutes aren't free. still eats into your monthly rate plan for minutes, but providers better reception. my house has horrible to no signal so I use wi-fi calling not necessarily so people can call me, but so my phone doesn't eat up battery looking for network all the time.
Jinra321 said:
minutes aren't free. still eats into your monthly rate plan for minutes, but providers better reception. my house has horrible to no signal so I use wi-fi calling not necessarily so people can call me, but so my phone doesn't eat up battery looking for network all the time.
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If you are on an eligible plan you can add the free wifi calling as a additional service. My grandfathered preferred plan won't allow the free wifi calling service... It deducts minutes from my allotment. There are parts on my house that get poor reception so I use it for that purpose.
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As most have mentioned, reception is the main reason. I appreciate wifi for vocal quality. Typically, wifi calling is higher quality, though can be plagued with volume issues on some phones
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samklee said:
As most have mentioned, reception is the main reason. I appreciate wifi for vocal quality. Typically, wifi calling is higher quality, though can be plagued with volume issues on some phones
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You guys do know that if you put wifi calling on you plan it doesn't use your minutes
deeznutz1977 said:
You guys do know that if you put wifi calling on you plan it doesn't use your minutes
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If your plan allows it...
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If your plan allows it...
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i have it on my dads add a line line 500 minutes unlimited messages 2 gigs. can you not add to prepay??
deeznutz1977 said:
i have it on my dads add a line line 500 minutes unlimited messages 2 gigs. can you not add to prepay??
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You can add the feature but it will use your minutes. Prepaids "do not" qualify for this plan. The only benefit for prepay to activate this feature is if you have poor reception this will allow you to still make a phone call.
As others have said, it is free and won't use up your allotted minutes only if you are on a qualifying plan.
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I will give you a more detailed run down.
Actually under a corp plan all wifi calls are free if you add it to that account. Also it doesnt always take mins away. Its more like 70 no 30 yes. From my testing over the last two years.
I work in network security which means I'm in a lot of "heavy secure "wink wink" data centers etc that have zero cell signal for a reason. They use to even bar camera phones. These days they just put a really thin tape over your cameras front & back. So if you even tried removing partly before seeing the "SO" at the exit it will tear and then you got big issues. That being said voip coms are allowed as long as their tied to your imei number like T's.
So wifi calling is needed when I and my guys are at those locations. Other uses as many have said is reception from a poor signal. Tmobile has a great network in the city, its when u get out in the boonies where there's nothing alot of the time. Those times I just click on my VZW MiFi and make call that way or pull over at a McDonalds. Kinda of a end around but being with T allows us alot of flexibility where the other carriers relies on there massively fake reception maps.
Tmobile is great in that it also allows me personally to swap phones easy.
There kinda like a rich man's garage with a dozen super cars, I wake up and pick at will what phone to fly with that day. Doing that on VZW is a pain. Plus the cost for corp plans with Tmobile is about one third of that of VZW or the Death-Star. The only option the other providers have is a wifi extender which requires and hard line and a GPS signal. Try getting that through x amount or so feet of concrete.
As a side note with reception where in the middle of nowhere Ky the only cell and data service was Tmobile.
Typically for me what phone I use depends on what Rom its on. I love cm9/10 but as everyone knows it doesnt support T's wifi calling features. So if im going to be in a secure environment I will have to grab one thats on a samsung kernel with wifi calling. Sometimes I can get away with wifi/google voice or my corp voip pbx but nothing compares to T's 93kb voice codec period.
We never get the excuse that "I couldn't call in cause there wasn't signal" from my guys. So productive has gone up a fare amount due to this tech it also allows better live tracking cause T's employee finder works over any data connection even when outside gps isnt available. So there's more security that my guys feel as we always know where they are if something like a "misunderstanding" comes up.
Does that help? Lol.
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casperi said:
I will give you a more detailed run down.
Actually under a corp plan all wifi calls are free if you add it to that account. Also it doesnt always take mins away. Its more like 70 no 30 yes. From my testing over the last two years.
I work in network security which means I'm in a lot of "heavy secure "wink wink" data centers etc that have zero cell signal for a reason. They use to even bar camera phones. These days they just put a really thin tape over your cameras front & back. So if you even tried removing partly before seeing the "SO" at the exit it will tear and then you got big issues. That being said voip coms are allowed as long as their tied to your imei number like T's.
So wifi calling is needed when I and my guys are at those locations. Other uses as many have said is reception from a poor signal. Tmobile has a great network in the city, its when u get out in the boonies where there's nothing alot of the time. Those times I just click on my VZW MiFi and make call that way or pull over at a McDonalds. Kinda of a end around but being with T allows us alot of flexibility where the other carriers relies on there massively fake reception maps.
Tmobile is great in that it also allows me personally to swap phones easy.
There kinda like a rich man's garage with a dozen super cars, I wake up and pick at will what phone to fly with that day. Doing that on VZW is a pain. Plus the cost for corp plans with Tmobile is about one third of that of VZW or the Death-Star. The only option the other providers have is a wifi extender which requires and hard line and a GPS signal. Try getting that through x amount or so feet of concrete.
As a side note with reception where in the middle of nowhere Ky the only cell and data service was Tmobile.
Typically for me what phone I use depends on what Rom its on. I love cm9/10 but as everyone knows it doesnt support T's wifi calling features. So if im going to be in a secure environment I will have to grab one thats on a samsung kernel with wifi calling. Sometimes I can get away with wifi/google voice or my corp voip pbx but nothing compares to T's 93kb voice codec period.
We never get the excuse that "I couldn't call in cause there wasn't signal" from my guys. So productive has gone up a fare amount due to this tech it also allows better live tracking cause T's employee finder works over any data connection even when outside gps isnt available. So there's more security that my guys feel as we always know where they are if something like a "misunderstanding" comes up.
Does that help? Lol.
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Lol ya that explains it a lil. I live in Las Vegas and I never lose signal anywhere. I guess that why I never understood. But when people are saying no reception is that mean no data either? Cause even if you have no reception but have data. Can't you use a 3rd party app that makes calls over data (not wifi)
Cell and data are basically the same as voice runs over the data lines pulled to the towers. It will be even more so as carriers upgrade to LTE-rev14 I think which is from my understanding is pure carrier level voice IP network vs switched network now.
Basically now voice is segmented out to a Nortel, Lucent, Alcatel gear to handle the phone side and then data is routed to their respective network gear. In a pure IP network both voice and data are run data only. Voice will be filtered out with QoS rules with along with virtual pbx box vs the circuit switched like we have now. The advantages of going pure IP are
1) Carriers are no longer tied to large circuit switched gear that runs into the millions and is proprietary to each manufacturer's specs. So the carriers try to buy just one type of pbx so not to run into compatibility issues. Just replacing a line card which typically hosts 129 lines at the "CO" known as central office is always same day aired if they don't have a replacement handy and those cards run 5 or so grand a piece. So downtime is a problem and cost vs ROI is as well.
2) In a pure voice IP setup the carriers can run a virtual PBX that is software bound vs hardware that the call is then routed via data to CO or datacenter to the last leg to terminate the call with say level 3 being your terminating host that then routes the call from there. If that call is cell phone to cell phone then it can stay data the entire way. This cost the carriers fare less as the hardware is agnostics, think vmware etc. Also audio codec on the BOX and towers can be adjusted in learning mode and then into dynamic mode as to give the callers the best overall call experience and if the tower gets loaded down with calls that gear can downgrade to a lower codec to handle more call volume. Think rush hour traffic where your stuck and everyone is on their cell. I could go into more details but you would fail asleep but this killer feature alone.
Bottom line is this cost the carriers far less, the audio codec used has much better call quality and can be setup to be dynamic to the load of individual towers vs switched which is hard coded. Downtime is dramatically reduced as there's no actual phone/linecards to go bad.
Many T-Mobile users "use" the Wi-Fi calling feature because it just sounds better. The reason that is because the audio codec "your call" runs around 96kbs. With voice over LTE "depending on tower config and load" can provide the same call quality. For example vzw cell call is 4.7kbs "data" which means that call is heavily compressed. You can tell if you listen, the bass and highs are gone. It's like talking to someone that speaks monotone. The reverse, GSM to GSM call uses a audio codec in the 14.8kbs range and sounds awesome. Even better is two T-Mobile callers using Wi-Fi calling. The problem the carriers have is CDMA to GSM or the other way around, all those calls sound like crap cause the voice gear has to downgrade or upscale to meet the setting of caller and vzw doesn't scale higher than 9.2kbs so the convo sounds mutilated with call echo, drop data packets which sounds like garbage like distorted audio. Think Sat radio when you go under a long bridge. Voice over LTE "voice over data" will allow all carriers gear to talk correctly and adjust audio codecs correctly on the fly giving the callers the best call possible.
I know I went WAY beyond and in depth but I love this stuff and its fun to share it with others.
Casperi
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Reception is one thing, but there is another reason..
For people that travel frequently outside the Tmobile coverage area (ie: International).. Wi-Fi calling is important and critical.. Even with a Corp plan, international minutes when you need to call back to the US is expensive and without having to deal with call forwarding, or grabbing a local SIM.. (though I usually get one for data)

Native WiFi calling vs GrooveIP vs Talkatone

Hey guys.
Does anybody have experience in using all of them on TMo 4g and WiFi?
As far as I know TMo WiFi calling counts cell minutes, but how it is in quality comparison to GrooveIP and Talkatone bundled to GVoice number?
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Hey guys.
Does anybody have experience in using all of them on TMo 4g and WiFi?
As far as I know TMo WiFi calling counts cell minutes, but how it is in quality comparison to GrooveIP and Talkatone bundled to GVoice number?
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in an ideal situation, with a solid connection, all these services performs very well. In less than ideal wireless connection, you I would rate Magic Jack> Tmobile wifi> Talkatone.
FYI, tmobile wifi calling does NOT use calling minutes if you have a grand fathered plan. Just make sure you add the "free wifi calling" features on to your account on each line you want this feature.
I'm not sure if I'll be able to add this feature cause I'm going to get 30 usd prepaid plan with 100 minutes and 5gb of their 4g.
If you are on $30/month plan Wi-Fi calling will eat up your minutes
I don't have groove ip but I use Talkatone : it's okay and call quality can be horrible if you don't have good connection
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TMo has awesome hspa coverage in my area so I'll give em try then post what I got.
vonage works the best for me for wifi calling.
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T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling would be best as it uses Wi-Fi to call.
Talkatone isn't too bad. I get some background white noise. When using it on 3g/4g it could get quite bad.
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