So I took some test shots between the ZL and my iPhone 5, wow is all I can say.
And NOT a good wow either.
The ZL is pretty bad compared to the iP5.
The pic's look very washed out on the ZL, I tested the shots in Auto mode and normal mode as well as HDR.
In all cases the iP5 in just normal shooting mode blew the ZL out of the water.
Now looking at the pic's on the ZL screen they look better because of that Bravia color thing, but on my iMac side by side the iP5 kill it.
Weird.
Is there any setting's to help this??
Noticed that too... Weird. with 13 mega and so called camera wow factor in their adds, it just cant beat ip5 and note 1.
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safuan7822 said:
Noticed that too... Weird. with 13 mega and so called camera wow factor in their adds, it just cant beat ip5 and note 1.
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What's also strange is to use the 13MP you have to take a picture in 4X3 mode, all normal auto mode pic's are a 9MP shot.
I also tested the dif between a 13mp shot and a 9mp and saw no difference except that the iPhone 5 was still better in both still and video.
Meh, you guys should know camera is not the strong point of this phone and megapixel don't tell the whole story. If you wanted a phone for camera it's better to buy Nokia N8, it's cheap and still way better than most cameraphones of today. I still kept Nokia N8 as second phone so when I going places I got good camera to take pictures and videos
I think one of the main reasons to look at camera phones is the fact that you don't need to carry a second device and that you always carry it with you.
I am surprised that the ZL has such a lousy camera - thought Sony's expertise with cameras should have helped. I hope it's not a sensor issue and that maybe a firmware/software update would help with the images.
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So I took some test shots between the ZL and my iPhone 5, wow is all I can say.
And NOT a good wow either.
The ZL is pretty bad compared to the iP5.
The pic's look very washed out on the ZL, I tested the shots in Auto mode and normal mode as well as HDR.
In all cases the iP5 in just normal shooting mode blew the ZL out of the water.
Now looking at the pic's on the ZL screen they look better because of that Bravia color thing, but on my iMac side by side the iP5 kill it.
Weird.
Is there any setting's to help this??
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No settings at all may be some firmware or software
upgrade might help
Didn't buy because of camera
I am travelling in Chicago, went to the Sony store, had the ZL in my hand and was going to buy it and took a picture.
I have a Galaxy SII now, a bit handicapped I think by the CM10.1 camera software, and took the same picture with it.
There was a HUGE difference. The ZL was brighter, but the detail was awful on the ZL -- there are what appear to be JPG compression artifacts or sharpening artifacts everywhere. Text in the image had pixel artifacts extending out from corners so that everything was jagged and looked like it was done with a 1-2mpx camera instead (and yes I had it set at max).
I'm a photographer, and I am not buying a phone to replace real cameras, but I also don't want to buy the latest and greatest phone and take a step 3 years back in cameras.
This all looks like software (in a very "gut reaction to a few images"). It looks and feels like poor image processing from the raw data, either over-compression or bad sharpening.
I've done a bit of searching and found a few "bad camera" comments, but has there been any reaction from Sony, any indication of improved settings coming? Are any of the mods available capable of addressing this sort of thing, or is that lost in proprietary code space?
I left without a phone, sadly. My GS2 with CM10.1 does almost everything I need, I was just looking for a fresh face. And I LOVED the form factor and feel. But the camera was a deal killer. Will lurk around here in case there may be forthcoming software fixes (as I am almost certain it is a software issue).
Nice, a thread about the camera and comparisons without pics
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Nice, a thread about the camera and comparisons without pics
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Yeah, my bad in this case; I had assumed they would have it mail enabled and I could send myself a photo when I tested it, but they didn't have it set up. I may go back (it's not far) and take a microSD card with me, and see if it's set up so I can write to it and take the photo away. I'd love to have one where I could compare the two on a computer screen.
The image it rendered had good color (better than my SII) and was nicely focused. Just badly processed. I was hoping someone would say "you forgot to set the 'good image or small image'" option to "good".
I REALLY liked the feel of the back cover, they did a nice job there. Easy to hold, didn't feel like it was continually going to slide out of my hand.
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Nice, a thread about the camera and comparisons without pics
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Nice one,btw I jus saw a thread about this camera comparison and I didn't see that the camera to be that bad like u guys say it is
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The image it rendered had good color (better than my SII) and was nicely focused. Just badly processed. I was hoping someone would say "you forgot to set the 'good image or small image'" option to "good".
I REALLY liked the feel of the back cover, they did a nice job there. Easy to hold, didn't feel like it was continually going to slide out of my hand.
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See this. There is a lot of discussion going on (at xda & sony support forums) about the sony's image "post processing" used in the XZ/ZL. I've read somewhere that this matter has been acknowledged by sony support. You may have a look at the XZ general section for threads (like this) regarding camera (same camera hardware used in ZL). Btw, I think that camera on ZL is not bad at all (it bests my previous note2 camera in almost all aspects)! Some software updates might fix the existing issues (noise blur) especially in the auto mode. Do try the normal mode (13mp size) with hdr & flash off, in case you revisit the store.
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See this Do try the normal mode (13mp size) with hdr & flash off, in case you revisit the store.
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Thank you, will look at the other links, and I did call the store and they sold the demo and no new ones in. I'm here for a couple weeks so I may get another chance.
to look at pics on the phone it works fine (probably coz of bravia engine) .. but on a larger screen u can see the problem .. hopefully we see a fix :fingers-crossed:
does the camera mod in the apps & themes work any better than the stock one ? cybershot ....
Does this mod help?
I ran across this. It sounds like it got mixed results, so I suspect it is only touching around the edges of the camera processing and not changing how the engine does the jpg compression. But maybe it is. I offer it for reference; discussion may be better in that thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2221351&page=11
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does the camera mod in the apps & themes work any better than the stock one ? cybershot ....
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My apologies, I didn't see this note until I posted my last one. Thank you.
With pictures
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OK, I decided I could live with a less poor camera and bought one because I liked everything else. So here are some comparisons. These are done from the perspective of looking at fine detail, not overall appearance at a small size. I.e. I think a lot of what Sony has done is aimed at highly compressed JPG's suitable for facebook-like postings. I don't do that, I use it in lieu of a real camera and so would actually prefer raw images, but as a substitute I hope for good detail and suitable dynamic range despite the JPG conversion. Anyway.
So while I've seen a lot of just full images and "see how pretty" I thought i would try to see the fine detail, not how it did as a snapshot (while admitting that it's a cell phone and a "snapshot" is exactly what it's intended for, it is not a DSLR).
attached is a composite image taken with the Galaxy S2 running CM10.1, and a ZL running stock with three different modes as indicated. all were at max resolution. All were interior shots with good light (large windows beside the scene), at the same distance from a jar of jelly beans. I then extracted two components, one for fine detail (a bar code) and one for some color and detail (an edge of the plastic jar). These were all taken from about 4' away, handheld but shooting several shots and picking the best to reduce the impact of any motion blur.
First, I must say the ZL did not have the artifacts I noticed in the store; I must have had a different setting there.
The images are over-processed, whether for noise or (my theory) compression not sure, but there are a LOT of JPG artifacts in them.
But there are better than I expected. They are not better in a processing sense than the S2, but what you get is better resolution then poorer processing (look at the smoothness around high contrast borers, e.g. the top of the 9 -- there's a lot more pixel raggedness in the S2 from less resolution, but the ZL is just ragged despite having more pixels -- kind of a random jaggedness from compression artifacts). But the net result of added resolution and poor processing is a better image.
But not nearly as "better" as it should be with a lot more resolution!
Sony really owes a "leave the darn image alone" setting.
The burst mode is interesting -- I'm not sure what they are doing there, but it looks like yet even more aggressive sharpening and processing. The bar code at first looks like it is a much clearer shot -- but it is not. It's excessively sharpened and detail is lost even though it fools the eye with more contrast on edge transitions. Look especially at the colors in the jelly beans through the glare, how poor and splotchy they became).
Surprisingly the Superior vs. Normal, despite all I've read, did not have a lot of difference. Not sure if the conditions were such the difference didn't kick in, or... ?
Anyway, to the original point -- here are pictures.
On a related note, been playing with it for low light, and tried in store a HTC one, and there is a marked difference there, with the bigger pixels doing a much better job at low light, but they just didn't add QUITE enough of them for me. The ZL is much better than the older GS2 at low light, but even with the relatively faster lens and newer sensor, it's only OK. Oh... for an F1.4 lens one day. :fingers-crossed:
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OK, I decided I could live with a less poor camera and bought one because I liked everything else. So here are some comparisons. These are done from the perspective of looking at fine detail, not overall appearance at a small size. I.e. I think a lot of what Sony has done is aimed at highly compressed JPG's suitable for facebook-like postings. I don't do that, I use it in lieu of a real camera and so would actually prefer raw images, but as a substitute I hope for good detail and suitable dynamic range despite the JPG conversion. Anyway.
So while I've seen a lot of just full images and "see how pretty" I thought i would try to see the fine detail, not how it did as a snapshot (while admitting that it's a cell phone and a "snapshot" is exactly what it's intended for, it is not a DSLR).
attached is a composite image taken with the Galaxy S2 running CM10.1, and a ZL running stock with three different modes as indicated. all were at max resolution. All were interior shots with good light (large windows beside the scene), at the same distance from a jar of jelly beans. I then extracted two components, one for fine detail (a bar code) and one for some color and detail (an edge of the plastic jar). These were all taken from about 4' away, handheld but shooting several shots and picking the best to reduce the impact of any motion blur.
First, I must say the ZL did not have the artifacts I noticed in the store; I must have had a different setting there.
The images are over-processed, whether for noise or (my theory) compression not sure, but there are a LOT of JPG artifacts in them.
But there are better than I expected. They are not better in a processing sense than the S2, but what you get is better resolution then poorer processing (look at the smoothness around high contrast borers, e.g. the top of the 9 -- there's a lot more pixel raggedness in the S2 from less resolution, but the ZL is just ragged despite having more pixels -- kind of a random jaggedness from compression artifacts). But the net result of added resolution and poor processing is a better image.
But not nearly as "better" as it should be with a lot more resolution!
Sony really owes a "leave the darn image alone" setting.
The burst mode is interesting -- I'm not sure what they are doing there, but it looks like yet even more aggressive sharpening and processing. The bar code at first looks like it is a much clearer shot -- but it is not. It's excessively sharpened and detail is lost even though it fools the eye with more contrast on edge transitions. Look especially at the colors in the jelly beans through the glare, how poor and splotchy they became).
Surprisingly the Superior vs. Normal, despite all I've read, did not have a lot of difference. Not sure if the conditions were such the difference didn't kick in, or... ?
Anyway, to the original point -- here are pictures.
On a related note, been playing with it for low light, and tried in store a HTC one, and there is a marked difference there, with the bigger pixels doing a much better job at low light, but they just didn't add QUITE enough of them for me. The ZL is much better than the older GS2 at low light, but even with the relatively faster lens and newer sensor, it's only OK. Oh... for an F1.4 lens one day. :fingers-crossed:
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Hi there! Congrats on your new device n welcome aboard! I appreciate your feedback regarding the camera performance on the ZL. I tend to agree with most of what you've said! I only hope sony gives us a patch for camera software soon!
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Hey guys!
Seems like the original HTC Camera App is quite a bugger. Sure, it's interface is fancy and intuitive with quite the features, but hear me out.
I bought Camera Zoom FX back in the days and loved to use it with my Galaxy S2 since it produced some wonderful shots for me.
I tried it out now on my One X device, and there I made quite a discovery.
First of all, I did 2 test shots for each camera, so in total 4.
The first one I did outside, cloudy sky, slight rain -> white concrete wall. Makro shot. The second on I did indoors, closed room, artificial light (bad light condition).
Second is: I'll also write down the filesize of the photos. The difference is, least to say, overwhelming.
Another point is: As soon as I took a shot with the HTC camera app, I simply can't take any photos anymore with Camera Zoom FX. Camera screen stays black after a shot, photo doesnt get saved, app needs to be killed. It will only work again after a reboot. Seems like the HTC camera app not only applies heavy compression and somewhat dark lighting, but also causes glitches and issues within the system regarding the camera api.
Enough talk, see for yourself:
Keep in mind, I didnt use LED flash, nor HDR. Simple setup, no color corrections or post processing. Those are raw, untouched images down there!
Macro - Cloudy Sky, Slight Rain, White concrete wall
HTC camera (Original: 2,14 MB)
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Okay, guys. Now that you've seen those shots, what are your thoughts and impressions? To me, the color, brightness and sharpness looks ALOT better with Camera Zoom FX. PLUS - focusing seems to be much more stable on Camera Zoom FX, and its still FAST. Maybe its a little too bright with CZFX, but still, that just shows that the HTC One X Camera is capeable of much more!
HTC, fix your camera application!!
in my opinion, the 2nd shot seem way better for both cases u uploaded..
WOW... incredible difference...can you take a few more samples outside with decent lighting?
that is really amazing how much better the FX shots look...
so you are saying that you can only take one FX shot at a time- and then you have to reboot??
I found the HTC camera to produce a lot of noise even in well lit environment.
The camera is one of their big selling points it seems odd they would use so much JPEG compression in the software. Personally I'd like to output images as actual RAW files.
Also the brightness and colour contrast of the HTC one X screen seems to have given them a bit of a dilemma with the colour of photo's, when you take a shot and view it on the phone screen the colour looks good but when you then view it on a monitor the colour looks washed out and dull, Problem is if the camera reproduced the colour correctly it would look way over saturated on that bright screen of the phone.
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Another point is: As soon as I took a shot with the HTC camera app, I simply can't take any photos anymore with Camera Zoom FX. Camera screen stays black after a shot, photo doesnt get saved, app needs to be killed. It will only work again after a reboot. Seems like the HTC camera app not only applies heavy compression and somewhat dark lighting, but also causes glitches and issues within the system regarding the camera api.
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I just had this same issue after taking some shots in the garden, not with camera zoom fx though, I dont have that installed, took half a dozen shots then the camera appeared not to take photos, it would focus, make the shutter sound and seemingly take a picture but on viewing i just got a black screen with a triangle and exclamation. reboot was needed. this was using only the htc camera app.
OMG! There's a HUGE difference between those pictures!!! I was a little disappointed with one x's camera quality but now it's clear that it is software related, the camera itself is capable of taking better pictures. I really hope HTC fixes this soon, because I think this is a major problem that has to resolved.
Definitely needs to be resolved, been out taking some more and it only seems to successfully shoot a picture half the time, seems it doesnt need a reboot to get it working again, it just randomly decides when it wants to take a picture or not, seems to mostly fail in very well lit sunny conditions. also had some freezes using the camera needing a hard reboot.
Also downloaded - Different results
I also downloaded camera zoom fx - both stock app and camera zoom are set to auto. in my opinion the camera zoom picture looks over exposed
Camera Zoom Fx may peform better on a sunny day???
both very similar sizes Camera Zoom was 0.2 Mb bigger
first image is Camera Zoom
guys all you need to do is increase the exposure in the htc camera app for similar results
i love the camera guys every pic you post i see amazing colors, actually Camera FX images are over exposed
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guys all you need to do is increase the exposure in the htc camera app for similar results
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Doesnt make a difference for me, tried on manual ISO with same result, it cant take a picture in well lit conditions, tried a few again, if i point the camera to the garden (sun behind me) it cant take a picture, if i point the camera down to the floor standing in the same position so there is less light on the sensor it will take a picture, point it back up again, fails to take a picture.
been trying in different areas too, in shadowed areas or indoors its fine, something that is well lit by the sun it fails to take a picture at all.
Gonna try Camera FX now
actually no im not, it's not free lol
I dont think the camera is at total fault... If you play around with the camera settings you can adjust the amount of exposure and sharpness of the photo... I personally feel that this setting is quite good under normal conditions:
Exposure -1
Saturation -1
Sharpness -1
Contrast -1 (play around with different light ambience)
These settings actually gave quite good results for me... although undeniably raw uncompressed pictures are better... just my 2 cents...
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Gonna try Camera FX now
actually no im not, it's not free lol
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Dunno what it costs now, but it was on sale for something like 50c a couple of weeks ago.....not that that helps you at all!
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Dunno what it costs now, but it was on sale for something like 50c a couple of weeks ago.....not that that helps you at all!
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It's on sale now in the uk too at just under £2, I know that's not a lot but I'm not paying for an alternative app just because the one on my brand new £500 phone doesn't work properly. Hopefully software updates or custom roms should fix the issues and realistically I'll rarely use the camera anyway, I have a DSLR I will use when I know I want to photograph stuff but was just hoping the HTC camera might be good to use on the occasion I don't have the DSLR with me.
And it probably will be if i can just get it to take pictures in the sun.
Well, after some further testing I can confirm that in regular daylight conditions, Camera Zoom FX as well as ICS Camera (Market) both produce over exposed photos.
That is kinda weird. I also experience intense flickering on the capture frame while using the mentioned apps.
Sometimes, both apps dont even shoot a photo. Camera Zoom FX just stays at a black capture frame, and ICS Camera just FC.
What's up with that cam, seriously? Thats kinda weird... Tho, sharpness still looks a litttle better with third party camera apps. File size is always way bigger, too.
I think the camera is capeable of doing much more. I guess the drivers are still not really final yet.
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Sometimes, both apps dont even shoot a photo. Camera Zoom FX just stays at a black capture frame, and ICS Camera just FC.
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How bright and sunny is it where you are today?
it's very bright here and I cannot get it to take images in the sun at all, just getting black screens like you mentioned.
Camera compression is better inOne X. I had Xperia Arc and camera compression was horrible, Same 8 MP cam it used to be below 1 MB but it does produced awesome pictures.
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How bright and sunny is it where you are today?
it's very bright here and I cannot get it to take images in the sun at all, just getting black screens like you mentioned.
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Yea, pretty bright. Seems like the apps have issues with bright environments and therefore bright captures ... bugger
I'm wondering if the fixed f2.0 aperture is just too wide for sunny conditions, great for low light yes but I wouldn't use f2.0 on a DSLR in very bright conditions unless I was using a fast shutter speed and since there is no shutter speed adjustment on the One X, 2.0 I think is just too wide for those conditions, even on 100 ISO
Just popped back out into the garden now the sun has gone down some and the same pictures that wouldn't take earlier are now taking ok.
Okay guys, I don't know if any of you here are photographers - but I am...
It doesn't matter what app you use for your phone-photography - it's all using the same lens! What matters is the settings you use. Given, the 3rd party apps may implement their settings better, but nothing that the stock camera app isn't capable of. Know how to adjust your shutter speed and ISO settings accoridngly and you'll come out with some cracking pictures (considering the size of the lens and sensor). At the end of the day, it's a PHONE CAMERA. It ain't never going to be perfect. If you want great image quality, go out and a buy a dSLR or compacts / micro 4/3s camera.
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Okay guys, I don't know if any of you here are photographers - but I am...
It doesn't matter what app you use for your phone-photography - it's all using the same lens! What matters is the settings you use. Given, the 3rd party apps may implement their settings better, but nothing that the stock camera app isn't capable of. Know how to adjust your shutter speed and ISO settings accoridngly and you'll come out with some cracking pictures (considering the size of the lens and sensor). At the end of the day, it's a PHONE CAMERA. It ain't never going to be perfect. If you want great image quality, go out and a buy a dSLR or compacts / micro 4/3s camera.
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Photographer here too
I do wish there was an option for less compression on the stock app though /: As it is there's still too much compression going on. Just play with the ISO and image settings and it's still pretty good
They really need to improve the software and encoding for both image and video capture. They are both worse than the competition. Their hardware seems capable enough, and this certainly has enough firepower, but it ain't being used right.
I'm not a photographer but I can tell a ****ty photo from a good one. I don't think they are very pleasing on this device. Older phones I've owned take much better photos. It's really sad that photo snobs come into a cellphone forum and riddle every post about the camera with IT"S NOT A DSLR IT"S A CAMERA-PHONE GO BUY A REAL CAMERA. Set the bar high much? We're comparing cellphone cameras. I don't see PC people coming in and crapping on browser and benchmark threads, saying IT"S NOT A PC BUY A REAL COMPUTER LULZ.
These cellphones are replacing point-and-shoot cameras. Those are REAL cameras BTW, and they are good enough. How many people actually own DSLRS? I don't even know any, nor know of anyone who would be caught dead with one, or pay the $500+ for a good one.
Downplaying the camera is also a good line for HTC apologists/fanboys.
I'm a Sensation XL user and when i switch to the One X, i expect a similar image quality if not better than the XL, i was wrong.
The only thing that amazed me is how fast the camera is.
Other than that:
-The main camera captured detail that looks very very messy, bad white balance and VERY bad compression. I tried every setting possible, set sharpness from 0 to -2 , still missing alot of details and compare to the XL's camera, also this camera has alot of noise even at ISO 100 and full bright area.
-The front camera is something that pissed me off the most, it looked very nice on screen but the actual captured image looks like it's from a 0.3 megapixel camera. I think this is mostly a problem with the compression of the front camera.
-Also another thing, why cant i turn auto focus off ??? what if i wanted to focus manualy. I was very proud of HTC since the early day because they allow us to do tons of stuff like turning off auto focus
-The camera have amazing auto focus at mid-long range but piss poor at macro shots, even at bright day light.
-The video captured from the One X is very bad, also because of compression
I love this phone to death, i love the design, the screen...etc, i dont mind all the bugs and stuff but i'm very mad at these camera issues, since they use it as a selling point of the phone and i'm a heavy camera user.
Your thoughts ?
Simply put: my camera's awesome. Sorry to hear your having issues. There's a thread where people are posting pictures...there's some amazing pictures in there. Head over there to compare your pics, maybe there's something wrong with your camera
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There's a "fix" in the development section for camera compression, as far as noise goes, that might be an issue with your unit, it's not bad on mine. That said, it is noiser than most good camera phones I've used, but I'm holding out for an update to resolve that.
I'm more than happy with mine
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I'm a Sensation XL user and when i switch to the One X, i expect a similar image quality if not better than the XL, i was wrong.
The only thing that amazed me is how fast the camera is.
Other than that:
-The main camera captured detail that looks very very messy, bad white balance and VERY bad compression. I tried every setting possible, set sharpness from 0 to -2 , still missing alot of details and compare to the XL's camera, also this camera has alot of noise even at ISO 100 and full bright area.
-The front camera is something that pissed me off the most, it looked very nice on screen but the actual captured image looks like it's from a 0.3 megapixel camera. I think this is mostly a problem with the compression of the front camera.
-Also another thing, why cant i turn auto focus off ??? what if i wanted to focus manualy. I was very proud of HTC since the early day because they allow us to do tons of stuff like turning off auto focus
-The camera have amazing auto focus at mid-long range but piss poor at macro shots, even at bright day light.
-The video captured from the One X is very bad, also because of compression
I love this phone to death, i love the design, the screen...etc, i dont mind all the bugs and stuff but i'm very mad at these camera issues, since they use it as a selling point of the phone and i'm a heavy camera user.
Your thoughts ?
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mrhahn98,
Its a start for HTC. Previous attempts by HTC for taking photos was an epic fail. This is the right direction HTC is heading with the photo imaging...hope the future OTAs will correct it. I hope you are not comparing to a DSLR imaging quality or even an good P&S.
I'm happy with mine too. Way better than GNote. Mind to post some pics up for us to have a look?
i have read very different user opinions of the camera. I must agree that firstly, the focusing still has some issues (macro and touch-to-focus) and noise is still very evident. Its almost as bad as my Sensation XE so i kinda found the upgrade to be rather disappointing. But cons aside, the camera speed is really a winning edge for a mobile device.
If you tried using other camera apps (e.g camera360) to take photos, you might find that they can look really good so i believe that the camera hardware has potential.
Im hoping that HTC will, most importantly, show strong support for the One series and continue to tweak Sense 4 with updates. It does feel that way for now and I pray Im not just mistaking their immense marketing for real committed support.
Yes, im glad too that HTC is pushing for camera and music functionalities as their main selling point. Its one of the top few things on my list for a phone. Android itself pretty much brings the manufacturers to a level OS platform. Its all about differentiating now!
Hi, no i'm not comparing it to p/s or DSLR but to older phones which have the f2.2 lens like the Sensation XL and Amaze 4G.
I understand that most people come by this phone will be happy, it's a very good shooter i agree, but the quality is not as good as the XL and Amaze 4G.
I'll try to check out the mods and see if anything changes
p.s: Also the minimal focus distance for older phones, are like 5cm, One X have a very long minimal focus distance , like 10-15cm which result in less interesting Macro shots despite its awesome f2.0 camera
The One X camera can take some fantastic photo's (terrible videos though).
Here's one I took the other day; not the best photo ever taken but it's not bad
http://postimage.org/image/blnl4yapr/full/
I think the camera sw is just underdeveloped just like the rest of the phone, probably because HTC was rushing to get their product out, but I DO believe there will be updates with hopefully better camera softwares.
But my camera works fine, I feel you need to 'get to know it abit', it has a so many features and stuff and most people are used to having the camera just do things for them (as should be but to a certain extent) but if you play around and learn the settings and stuff you will be able to take some awesome images.
Cheers
your right about the noise but I think the rest is up to par compared to other phones ive used.
The camera on an HTC phone still sucks. The best they've gotten was the Sensation XE/Titan and Amaze 4G, but they ahd their drawbacks and the video was horrible no matter what. Considering I'm in no hurry to get the One X and am waiting for it to hit stateside, hopefully with many of its issues fixed, I can also look forward to the Galaxy S3. At least for that phone I am guaranteed good imaging and video, even if they re-use last year's tech. The HTC selling point is the build quality. The rumored ceramic body for the S3 sounds makes it more interesting.
Didn't HTC learn anything from their previous phones, and especially the LG G2x, the first dual-core phone rushed to market? How about instead of rushing things, they took their own advice, which they have been spouting in their tech interviews, to release higher quality phones and take their time?
The One X camera is the best point and click going, there is nothing else quite like it. You would need to actually own the phone day to day to realise how much easier and fluent it is.
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The One X camera is the best point and click going, there is nothing else quite like it. You would need to actually own the phone day to day to realise how much easier and fluent it is.
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I agree its a very good camera, but I also can understand why the people that say it sux say so, there is alot of room for improvement.
But definitaly this one of the most impressive cameras on a phone in terms of functions, but the results need to be improved alot, the 1080p recording should NEVER drop to below 24fps if you ask me and also the images could be better without having to change to specific settings, and some 'big' issues are the frequent blurry images and also the flash doesn't seem to sync with the focus moment of the camera which in result causes sometimes the images to be blurry.
But most of the time you get good images and sometimes you get those GREAT images and then you know you made a good choice
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I'm a Sensation XL user and when i switch to the One X, i expect a similar image quality if not better than the XL, i was wrong.
The only thing that amazed me is how fast the camera is.
Other than that:
-The main camera captured detail that looks very very messy, bad white balance and VERY bad compression. I tried every setting possible, set sharpness from 0 to -2 , still missing alot of details and compare to the XL's camera, also this camera has alot of noise even at ISO 100 and full bright area.
-The front camera is something that pissed me off the most, it looked very nice on screen but the actual captured image looks like it's from a 0.3 megapixel camera. I think this is mostly a problem with the compression of the front camera.
-Also another thing, why cant i turn auto focus off ??? what if i wanted to focus manualy. I was very proud of HTC since the early day because they allow us to do tons of stuff like turning off auto focus
-The camera have amazing auto focus at mid-long range but piss poor at macro shots, even at bright day light.
-The video captured from the One X is very bad, also because of compression
I love this phone to death, i love the design, the screen...etc, i dont mind all the bugs and stuff but i'm very mad at these camera issues, since they use it as a selling point of the phone and i'm a heavy camera user.
Your thoughts ?
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I have the xl and u must have a bad x. Definitely the x takes much better pics than the xl. I have both
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I'm not saying the camera SUCK, because alot of people will be happy with their purchase, coming from other phones or such.
I'm saying camera's "quality" SUCK compare to OLDER phones from HTC like the Sensation XL and the Amaze 4G
And if this is software only then i hope that HTC will fix it in time as someone said the firmware of it is still very new.
I have the xl and u must have a bad x. Definitely the x takes much better pics than the xl. I have both
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I have both too , and i have my friend's One X too to compare between 2 OneX, i dont think it's "Bad" camera since i've never heard of it, it's just not as good in the details as the XL
Had this phone for a week now,coming from my samsung galaxy S2
the camera quality is superb, alot better then my SG2 and that took superb pictures..
My mates XL Pictures are no where near as good as mine, He's amazed how clear the HOX pictures are..
Think you might have some issues with your camera.
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Had this phone for a week now,coming from my samsung galaxy S2
the camera quality is superb, alot better then my SG2 and that took superb pictures..
My mates XL Pictures are no where near as good as mine, He's amazed how clear the HOX pictures are..
Think you might have some issues with your camera.
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Agreed something is wrong with it, I must say after 50% zoom the image does get degraded but I can almost defiantly say its software related.
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it always looks very nice at that level of crop, i have no complain about that, can u give me 100% crop ? i dont believe i have problem with both my HOX and my friend's
Edit: here's some shot with the same crop level above (max 900px):
extreme low light:
Macro-ish:
Low light but ISO set to 100:
And here's some from my old XL:
extreme low light:
macro-ish:
go here and you can see how good the pictures are
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1585398&highlight=best+picture
Hi ..
I bought the device from LG G4 H815 from CLOVE website and for some reason the camera quality is poor daylight compared to my previous device G3.
After I took a picture I made zoom in to check the quality , and here I find that image noise / blurred G3 compared to a photo in G3 ...
How is it possible, it happens to you too?
Another thing I did not have the option of adjusting 8-megapixel, 13 megapixel (as there is in LG G3)
I'd love to know if there is such a thing ...
The quality is really bad ..
I'm with:
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Build Number: LMY47D
Software Version: V10b-EUR-XX
regards,
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Hi ..
I bought the device from LG G4 H815 from CLOVE website and for some reason the camera quality is poor daylight compared to my previous device G3.
After I took a picture I made zoom in to check the quality , and here I find that image noise / blurred G3 compared to a photo in G3 ...
How is it possible, it happens to you too?
Another thing I did not have the option of adjusting 8-megapixel, 13 megapixel (as there is in LG G3)
I'd love to know if there is such a thing ...
The quality is really bad ..
I'm with:
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Build Number: LMY47D
Software Version: V10b-EUR-XX
regards,
Tomer.
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Just check If there is same modification in Camera Settings
there is different pic ratio in auto mode for instance.
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thank you for your reply
same ratio, but still picture not good...:crying:
can you add a photo for me (from your G4) ?
in Basic Mode ...
Ive checked up on this and from what I have read:
16:9 = 16MPx / 4:3 = 12 MPx / 1:1 = 8.5MPx (ill try and find the link)
With camera quality.. I know it sounds crazy, but I found cleaning my IR Laser focus and camera lens with Glass or lens cleaner worked for me (remember do not spray cleaner on the lens, apply it to a cloth, then polish the lens with the cloth) and wipe it VERY VERY Gently with a micro fibre cloth or an optical Glasses cloth ,
next Goto > Settings > Display > scroll down to More > Motion sensior calibration (lay it on a very flat surface).. and set it.. (try it a few times)
Motion sensor calibration sets the OIS and all the camera and focus sensors up.
Hope this helps..
Heres the thread here, but its an Android Central forum post, so Im not sure how reliable it is..
http://forums.androidcentral.com/lg-g4/533774-lg-g4-camera-settings-megapixel.html
Cheers
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Heres the thread here, but its an Android Central forum post, so Im not sure how reliable it is..
http://forums.androidcentral.com/lg-g4/533774-lg-g4-camera-settings-megapixel.html
Cheers
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Thanks for that..
i tried to clean and calibrate the G4, but still the quality of camera not good (even like G3)...
i attached also some pictures to give you taste from my problem with this camera..
I think the quality here is worse, the trees Smeared -not sharp (capture with 16: 9) ...
http://imageshack.com/a/img538/4183/NIRGSF.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img673/7079/dNHvrV.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img673/8522/yncySQ.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img901/2442/D6Jpo8.jpg
TOMER628 said:
Thanks for that..
i tried to clean and calibrate the G4, but still the quality of camera not good (even like G3)...
i attached also some pictures to give you taste from my problem with this camera..
I think the quality here is worse, the trees Smeared -not sharp (capture with 16: 9) ...
http://imageshack.com/a/img538/4183/NIRGSF.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img673/7079/dNHvrV.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img673/8522/yncySQ.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img901/2442/D6Jpo8.jpg
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Those pictures look fine to me. Show us the supposedly better pictures of the same thing taken with the G3.
Sent from my LG-H815 using XDA Forums Pro.
Please compare your photos to mine https://imgur.com/a/tqbEJ
If your quality is worse, i think u might have a bad camera sensor, try to replace the unit.
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Please compare your photos to mine https://imgur.com/a/tqbEJ
If your quality is worse, i think u might have a bad camera sensor, try to replace the unit.
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wish i had good quality like your photos..
i think you right i will try to replace with new unit..
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Those pictures look fine to me. Show us the supposedly better pictures of the same thing taken with the G3.
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Im inclined to agree with others here.. they look fine to me. Can I ask you to take some images of smaller objects with close up detail, such as flowers, kids toys, pets, food./. etc.. also, can you post the same pics taken with your G3. Take all pics in 16:9 ratio on both devices, full auto mode without flash.
If you have an issue, it may be the OIS.
They are beautiful pics. look in the bottom left hand corner of the ones youve taken or zoom in places.. theres lovely detail in the brick work.
I've actually noticed the same sort of thing with mine. I think the phone's postprocessing is too strong. Pictures of things like animals and trees almost look like an oil painting filter has been applied if you zoom in on them. Check out the fur on the picture I attached- LG's algorithm doesn't know what to do with images that have a lot of small, complex elements like leaves or fur. Thankfully that's something that could be patched, but I haven't heard many other people noticing it so I doubt it will be.
1. You never ever look at photos of this size. When looked at in a reasonable size, the pictures look awesome. When you downsize the pictures to a reasonable picturesize you would print, look at them again. You won't see those flaws.
2. Postprocessing of the jpegs is really to heavy and when you take a look at the DNGs, you see a real improvement over the jpegs. And I prefer the DNGs, since I can handle all of the parameters myself in Lightroom.
I think we will see some patches to the camera and postprocessing in the future, since LG is aware of the issue with the jpegs.
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1. You never ever look at photos of this size. When looked at in a reasonable size, the pictures look awesome. When you downsize the pictures to a reasonable picturesize you would print, look at them again. You won't see those flaws.
2. Postprocessing of the jpegs is really to heavy and when you take a look at the DNGs, you see a real improvement over the jpegs. And I prefer the DNGs, since I can handle all of the parameters myself in Lightroom.
I think we will see some patches to the camera and postprocessing in the future, since LG is aware of the issue with the jpegs.
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Agreed here. That photo is briliant, however, yes I agree, LGs processing is very aggressive as is the OIS, so you get over-sharpening, One of the pit falls In photography is to digitally zoom into your images on your PC to check the sharpness, but this is a very bad habit to start and very hard to break.. try to avoid doing this.
In truth... no-body looks at an image 20 or 30x digitally zoomed.. Pictures are to be enjoyed and the camera is only as good as the photographer, so get the light right, frame your subject as big as you can in the view finder, by walking upto your subject and framing it.. not digitally zooming and get creative ... Its so easy to get caught up in the technology that we forget why we take photographs.. which is to either save our memories or create our art. To me, youtube reviewers started this crazy trend of digitally zooming everywhere, so some folk think that a good photograph is one that after a digital zoom you can read the text on a road sign 500 yards away and missing all the image round about.. this is not photography, its zooming.
If your just taking pictures for the technically sharp image, then.. go and buy a DSLR, because no phone camera will ever do it.
Hand on heart, some of the best images Ive ever taken were with an HTC One M8s 4UPX camera.. zoomed n they look like my nephews cra*py MineCraft game, but the image itself.. looks stunning.
Bottom Line, Enjoy your images and the love of photography.. the G4 is one of the best cameras on a phone Ive ever used..
However, if your not happy with the G4s camera.. either return it or buy a nice compact or bridge camera..
Enjoy Photo fans..
but the my quality camera (what i captured here before) is good ?
i mean this not bad sensor or something, right ?
I thought they looked ok, personally. Can you post comparison pics from the G3 (the same pics taken on each, preferably), to demonstrate the issue you are referring to?
Yes, I agree with the subsequent comments. Many years ago I ran motorized Nikons, and did my own color processing and printing, and I like to think I still have an eye for a decent print. I looked at two of the pictures, and while I might have suggested one click higher on the ISO (and that's just personal preference, really) I don't see anything wrong with the pictures.
Enzo
TOMER628 said:
but the my quality camera (what i captured here before) is good ?
i mean this not bad sensor or something, right ?
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Speaking personnally, I think your pictures look great and their really nice, I know youve mentioned this in your OP, but take another look at them and can you tell us what is it about your images that you think is wrong?
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I thought they looked ok, personally. Can you post comparison pics from the G3 (the same pics taken on each, preferably), to demonstrate the issue you are referring to?
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Yep, Post some G3 pics,,, a good thing to do here is take exactly the same images with the G3 and G4 then compare them and post them here.
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Yes, I agree with the subsequent comments. Many years ago I ran motorized Nikons, and did my own color processing and printing, and I like to think I still have an eye for a decent print. I looked at two of the pictures, and while I might have suggested one click higher on the ISO (and that's just personal preference, really) I don't see anything wrong with the pictures.
Enzo
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My dad used tr be a wedding photographer before he retired, but he still owns one of the original Rolliflex cameras. These days though I own a Canon SX700. Do you still have any of your Nikons
Another aspect of photography is that whenever you change your camera, youll always get differences thats why Photographers have multiple cameras... such as My canon has a minimum focal distance of 1cm and a 30x Optical zoom, so Ide use it for Macro ( small close up), yet my Olympus stylus 1 has quite nice sharpening and a wide angle Aperture of f3.2 so ide use it for landscapes.
Again, I have to say Tomer, I think your images are great, Heres an experiment you can try which might help.. take your camera out.. and take a few images of things that make you happy and what you want... completely forget about images that show off the camera tech, maybe your kids or friends or something like that,... download them to your PC and look at them.. dont zoom.. then see how you feel about your G4.
Heres the Image I took with a 4 Mpx HTC M8..
Its not technically brilliant, but it was a fun day and thats all that matters.
No, the Nikons and a trillion dollars worth of glass went long ago. I very much miss the film, but just wearied of carrying around a backbreaking load of gear. The digital image is not as good as film, and I don't care what anybody claims to the contrary on that, but I do agree completely that the best camera is the one you have at hand when the picture opportunity arises, and clearly the phone camera wins by a mile on that score.
Enzo
OP, I think a very easy test here would be to take the same photo using JPG, and again using RAW. Then, look at each zoomed in. You should see that the JPG has compression artifacts, but the RAW does not. Then, you will see the camera quality capabilities in the RAW to verify the camera is fine, and perhaps you are just seeing software compression artifacts in JPG.
In fact, it would be interesting to see those two pictures if you could post them here. Choose a subject that has a pattern that will give the JPG compression algorithm trouble, like the cat fur or many leaves/blades of grass at a distance, to make the difference more pronounced.
here couple of pictures ftom today...
this the result :
http://imageshack.com/a/img673/2597/P4I5q9.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img537/7629/n4t0aA.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img538/9131/AySMqD.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img908/1512/3YRk1w.jpg
I am thinking about moving from my Nexus 5 to the Z Play. Mainly for the battery. I would also like a much improved camera. The battery is the only reason I am not getting a Nexus 5x. The size of the phone is also slowing my decision.
I have seen lots of comments about the camera being subpar for a modern phone. Mainly when compared to the OnePlus 3T. My question is this...
Is the camera that much better than the N5 that I won't care or is the camera really the Achilles heal to near perfect (size is debatable) phone.
Thanks for your input and possibly even photo samples.
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Well, in my experience using this phone for 4 months as my daily driver. The camera could be better, i don't know if it's my phone or all the Moto Z Plays, but i have this issue when i try to focus, you have to tap the screen multiple times in order for the phone to focus properly.
If you are looking this phone mainly for pictures, i wouldn't recommend it.
But for battery life, is crazy, i can easily get 2 days without charging it. This is the reason im keeping it.
Camera is above average in my opinion. It is foolish to compare it with phones which costs almost twice as much as mzp. If camera is the reason you want to to buy a phone, you can look for other options but you want a decent camera which will click god shots when needed in a budget smartphone, you can go for it. I have used note series starting from 1, Xperia Z1 (20.7mp camera with Xmor sensor), and LG g4 so I know what I am talking about. Night shots aren't very good but it's the same with every phone I have seen except for Sony phones. Battery backup is insane and for a budget phone, performance is also quite good. Of course mzp cannot be compared to op3 but if battery backup and ui smoothness concerns you in any way mzp should be you choice.
Else for raw power, you can go for one plus 3.
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I will post some shots as well in differnt lighting conditions so you can judge yourself.
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My Moto X Pure destroyed my Moto Z Play in both pictures and video. So let's not say that whole midrange blah blah blah argument here. The camera is definitely sub par. I don't know what Moto did, but they messed up somewhere. What kills me is that when taking videos via Snapchat, recording is perfect, but using any camera software, can't focus, despite tapping the screen or repositioning the focus ring. Picture wise, camera isn't bad, but I had better clarity and less noise in my X Pure. At this point I'm debating buying the Hasselbad camera Moto Mod just to try, in hopes that I'll see an improvement.
PhilD41 said:
I am thinking about moving from my Nexus 5 to the Z Play. Mainly for the battery. I would also like a much improved camera. The battery is the only reason I am not getting a Nexus 5x. The size of the phone is also slowing my decision.
I have seen lots of comments about the camera being subpar for a modern phone. Mainly when compared to the OnePlus 3T. My question is this...
Is the camera that much better than the N5 that I won't care or is the camera really the Achilles heal to near perfect (size is debatable) phone.
Thanks for your input and possibly even photo samples.
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My Moto X Pure destroyed my Moto Z Play in both pictures and video. So let's not say that whole midrange blah blah blah argument here. The camera is definitely sub par. I don't know what Moto did, but they messed up somewhere. What kills me is that when taking videos via Snapchat, recording is perfect, but using any camera software, can't focus, despite tapping the screen or repositioning the focus ring. Picture wise, camera isn't bad, but I had better clarity and less noise in my X Pure. At this point I'm debating buying the Hasselbad camera Moto Mod just to try, in hopes that I'll see an improvement.
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I think your unit is kinda defective. I have always used flagship devices and this is my first mid rang phone. Camera quality is definitely above average in good lighting Conditons.
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Defective, not at all. Photos are fine, but in comparison to my X Pure, definitely not as good, and that too, was a midrange device. Videos, as I attend a lot of shows and festivals, usually at night, are horrific, even using a modified camera API, alternative apps, it's the same BS, can't focus no matter how many tries. I've lost so many good videos because they're blurry the whole way through. But again, Snapchat video is flawless and focuses perfectly. Fairly certain the issue is related to the camera API, as Snapchat uses its own, thus the distorted audio 95% of the time, Motos wind rejection/noise cancellation is amazing. Front rows,50k-150k Watts of sound and waves of bass and it's perfect.
As I said, camera isn't bad, for picture taking, and in decent light, as your examples look like what mine takes, but low light or any usage of zoom, pfft, garbage photos. My Nexus 6 was amazing, X Pure was a step down, but this I feel shouldn't be this bad. The G4 probably has a better camera, and that's sad.
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And worth noting, I used to buy my phone's based on the camera alone. Still have my Nokia N82 with the Carl Zeiss optics and a true xenon flash. That 8yr old phone at 5MP took better pictures than my Moto Z Play.
I don't find the camera bad. Compared to my previous Sony Xperia Z1C and the Note 4 I find it better. But it alway also depends on what you want to do. I use it a lot for outdoor Pictures.
I copy my post from another thread with some Pictures here:
Coming from a Samsung Note 4 the Z Play camera quality was a big concern for me. But actually it's better than the Note 4. Samsung applies way too much denoise and sharpening filters which you could see a lot in outdoor images with trees and so on. (Giving everything a "watercolor effect".) Of course they do not have so much noise on the other hand but images clearly lack of detail with Samsung software.
The Moto Z Play gave me more details compared to the Note 4 (which is the same module than Galaxy S5). Also low light is better. Overall for me quality was on par for example with the OnePlus3T of my son.
The only thing I agree which is missing is the OIS. You really have to concentrate to hold the phone steady when taking HDR images. Without HDR I don't have issues though. On the other hand HDR images are really good to increase the images dynamic range.
I also switched to Snap Camera app (not to be confused with Snap from Lineage) which gives me a lot more options compared to the stock camera. There I completely disabled the denoise filter and lowered the sharpening filter to -2. This gave me even more details without sacrificing the Quality with to much noise. Beside this it has 4K Super Slowmotion and an enhanced HDR mode for really hard conditions.
I noticed that a lot of people judge the images only on the small phone screen and don't zoom in an look at the details. Also they expect images to perfectly come out with auto mode and not trying to play with the settings and optimize them.
Some images at full resolution. Most of them were shot under not so ideal conditions but I think they are good espacially with the given conditions. All were done with Snap Camera and denoise filter disabled to get more details. Just click on the links below:
A lot of small details in this image which come out really well. Also the dynamic range and the colors are great I think.
Denoise disabled too, maybe a little to much sharpening. Therefore noise came out a little to much but nice details if you look at the meadow, trees and roof.
Optimized the sharpening filter a little.
A shot against the rising sun. You could still see details of the plants in the foreground.
Very dark - actually it was darker than it appears on the image:
Auto focus isn't working at all on my MZP. I'd say it is the worst camera I ever had in any smartphone, which isn't really an issue though.
Edit: If the focussing would work, it might be a decent cam. However, it seems to be a wide-spread issue.
Edit2: According to this thread Lenovo confirmed that the faulty auto focus is a hardware issue. So, the camera shouldn't be an obstacle after all.
Auto focus searches all the time on my phone also! If it's a hardware issue, it can't be fixed by software update. That's bad.
So why is camera no issue? Are you sure the hardware fault is fixed in newer devices? Does there exist a reliable test to find out if your device is concerned?
Thank you to everyone's input so far. The information has been been very helpful! I appreciate the thoughts, information and images greatly!
cesgz said:
If you are looking this phone mainly for pictures, i wouldn't recommend it.
But for battery life, is crazy, i can easily get 2 days without charging it. This is the reason im keeping it.
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I am mainly looking at it for battery, but I would like a better camera than my N5. To be fair, it is REALLY bad so that isn't saying much. For the photos that "matter" I use my Nikon DLSR.
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you want a decent camera which will click good shots when needed in a budget smartphone, you can go for it. I will post some shots as well in differnt lighting conditions so you can judge yourself.
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That is exactly what I am looking for. I would like something with a good dev community to keep the device current (first non Nexus for me) but the MZP looks to have that as well. The N5's photos aren't hardly worth putting on Facebook, so I was hoping to get something a little better. Thank you for the pictures!! those are simple (which is good), and worlds better than what I would get with the N5.
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My Moto X Pure destroyed my Moto Z Play in both pictures and video. So let's not say that whole midrange blah blah blah argument here. The camera is definitely sub par.
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I don't have much to compare it to outside of the Galaxy Nexus, Nexus 5 and my wife's first gen Moto X (sprint). I take your input seriously and will look to evaluate images. I am a little concerned about you stating it is more the focus than the IQ. That could make even a good camera unusable.
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I don't find the camera bad. Compared to my previous Sony Xperia Z1C and the Note 4 I find it better. But it alway also depends on what you want to do. I use it a lot for outdoor Pictures.
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Thank you so much for these examples. Let me say you have a beautiful place to take photos. I would consider these really good for a mid range phone. I wouldn't even attempt them with my N5 knowing they wouldn't be usable. Assuming the focus issue isn't a show stopper this lets me know I would be moving up a class or two in camera.
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Auto focus isn't working at all on my MZP. I'd say it is the worst camera I ever had in any smartphone, which isn't really an issue though.
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Thank you for the link. That is unfortunate. This provides valuable information though and will help me make a decision - at least to know if the camera is working correctly. I am curious if they have fixed it now.
Thanks again to everyone. If others are reading this, I would always appreciate more input.
I think the camera is pretty good. of course i'm not a photographer. i dont understand the camera debate. buy a camera if you need a camera ?!
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It's simple, if the camera get focus , takes good pictures ... but you have to try almost 3 times to do it right ... sensor it's good ... the problem it's autofocus. I use bacon camera with continuos focus ... helps a little.
Sorry for my english.
I'm actually gonna give snap camera a go as mentioned. And to the previous poster as to why buy a camera, maybe if I carried a purse or a backpack with me every where I went, but my pocket is only so big, and the convenience of having a decent shooter on my phone is more than enough for my needs.
Camera is not bad, need some practice.
http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/58e91bafcb906/IMG_20170408_185534009.jpg?
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Wysłane z mojego XT1635-02 przy użyciu Tapatalka
You all talked me into it. Hopefully I will have my "new to me" Moto Z Play next week. From what I have seen here, I should be happy with the phone as a significant improvement in battery and camera over my Nexus 5. Thanks!!
The mzp has a camera about as good as the nexus 5x. Nowhere near the LG G4 or nexus XL.
Compared to my best friends G5 I'm content with the picture quality and often impressed. The Z play camera is underrated.
The image quality is ok, but the auto focus REALLY sucks. There's no way to take a quick snapshot because the focus is very slow and almost always focusses on the background instead of the object you are trying to capture. As much as I love the Z Play, I just hate the camera, even compared to the one from my previous Nexus 5.
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The image quality is ok, but the auto focus REALLY sucks. There's no way to take a quick snapshot because the focus is very slow and almost always focusses on the background instead of the object you are trying to capture. As much as I love the Z Play, I just hate the camera, even compared to the one from my previous Nexus 5.
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After reading you comment, I minimized Tapatalk, opened my camera and gave less than a second to focus and snapped a shot. To minimise the luck factor, I did it it 3more times and absolutely no blurriness..
Couple of more people have reported that issue on this post but I have never faced any such problem.. Lucky may be [emoji14]
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Here is an album with photos shot is FULL AUTO mode. No tweaking settings, focusing or anything. Just letting the camera shoot a photo from the same spot. I know this is not great for the pros out there but it is the way most of us shoot pics. Anyway, I did not take a ton of photos but here are the ones I did take. With the LG i did not do "portrait mode" but did include shots from both the regular and wide angle lenses in the comparison.
I was overall impressed by all cameras. Just click "info" icon at top right to see photo details which list the camera model.
For me results were
Color - iPhone X - yes, oversaturated like Samsung, but I like that.
Detail - Pixel 2 - even though colors did not pop as much the detail in textures and such were better in most of the photos for me
low light - Pixel 2 - just grabbed better detail in the photos (The one with the helicopter was VERY low light, just a crack in the door letting a little light in)
Anyway, I know everyone has different opinions so thought I'd put an album up so people could see and compare the original untouched photos.
I give the win to Pixel 2 because I can always fix colors and make the photo more vibrant. I can't add detail.
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=ZUlCXzFZZm05WXpKbzNNd0JDdU95SElRNzZEM0pn
Link doesn't work for me. Maybe you have to give permission? Or maybe you're fixing something?
404. That’s an error.
The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.
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I have watched at least a dozen youtube videos on this very subject this morning and they were pretty consistent in their findings. Google and its software ( HDR+ ) is the "high dynamic range" king. Long live the king. And this lead in this respect, over the competitors will get a very large boost when Orea 8.1 turns "on" that mystery, extra ( full soc inside the pixel ) dedicated to video processing. I'm guessing the number crunching will go down from a second to a small fraction of a second. Now LG and its hardware ( f1.6 and glass lens ) is the king of pulling detail. Go figure. The bottom line is that google cannot improve its hardware. That's fixed and static. But new LG software ( or software from other sources ) can very much improve the V30's ability to make a "auto" shot . . . Most all comparison videos did NOT put the 1K wonder at the top of anything.
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And what do the serious photography nuts have to say ?
yeah, forgot to turn on sharing. Fixed now.
old_fart said:
I have watched at least a dozen youtube videos on this very subject this morning and they were pretty consistent in their findings. Google and its software ( HDR+ ) is the "high dynamic range" king. Long live the king. And this lead in this respect, over the competitors will get a very large boost when Orea 8.1 turns "on" that mystery, extra ( full soc inside the pixel ) dedicated to video processing. I'm guessing the number crunching will go down from a second to a small fraction of a second. Now LG and its hardware ( f1.6 and glass lens ) is the king of pulling detail. Go figure. The bottom line is that google cannot improve its hardware. That's fixed and static. But new LG software ( or software from other sources ) can very much improve the V30's ability to make a "auto" shot . . . Most all videos did NOT put the 1K wonder at the top of anything.
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I agree with you, but the problem is the track record of LG is not that of fixing it to become the best it could be. The best hardware can suck without the proper software or a company that wants to put it as a priority to make it the best it can be. In most of the shots I took the LG had the least amount of detail (except in one low light shot where it was 2nd to Pixel in detail, look at top of soap dispensor). Now of course this is in full auto mode. I'm guessing that with manual mode the outcome might be different. However, I don't have time to mess with manual mode for 99% of my photos.
I wish LG could get the camera to be on par in auto mode with the Pixel or X because I love the phone so much. The camera and frequency of updates are the only real things lacking (for me) to make it a near perfect phone.
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I edited and pasted it again. should work.
I need more examples..... Would you mind a few dozen more of the beauty in pink?
steve841 said:
I need more examples..... Would you mind a few dozen more of the beauty in pink?
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lol, I'll get right on that.
wish there was a watermark stating which photo was from which camera.
keithleger said:
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Looks like the Detroit Borg house...
20degrees said:
Looks like the Detroit Borg house...
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not even sure what that is. But whatever, was not about subject but quality. LOL
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wish there was a watermark stating which photo was from which camera.
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no need. in photos website on PC (which is how you should look at this to really tell quality) you can have it open all the time on the right hand side by clicking info icon and see which photos were taken with which phone. Why waste so much time watermarking and then if you want to be totally unbiased and pick best one before you know just close info box.
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low light - Pixel 2 - just grabbed better detail in the photos (The one with the helicopter was VERY low light, just a crack in the door letting a little light in)
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Bull****. Why do you do that, mate? Why do you so hate V30? Look at the picture of cat, V30 photo has tons more details than blurry smudgy stuff from P2XL. And helicopter is not relevant @ all, have you looked on what camera was it taken? Oh, yeah you took it on wide angle camera with F/1.9 but telling us that Pixel 2 XL captures more details in the dark, how funny.
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Bull****. Why do you do that, mate? Why do you so hate V30? Look at the picture of cat, V30 photo has tons more details than blurry smudgy stuff from P2XL. And helicopter is not relevant @ all, have you looked on what camera was it taken? Oh, yeah you took it on wide angle camera with F/1.9 but telling us that Pixel 2 XL captures more details in the dark, how funny.
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Nice catch. I didn't see that.
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Bull****. Why do you do that, mate? Why do you so hate V30? Look at the picture of cat, V30 photo has tons more details than blurry smudgy stuff from P2XL. And helicopter is not relevant @ all, have you looked on what camera was it taken? Oh, yeah you took it on wide angle camera with F/1.9 but telling us that Pixel 2 XL captures more details in the dark, how funny.
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You are all bent out of shape for nothing. No bias here. I actually use the v30 as my daily phone. Pixel 2 XL sitting on my desk with no sim card in it because I like it more. (I use the Pixel on weekends when I'll be using the camera more). I took both wide angle and normal lens with each photo.(tried to). Now the cat did move in one shot causing blur which is normal and understandable at that shutter speed. I did not notice it until I was done and it was too late to reshoot. The helicopter was an oversight. I must've missed taking with regular lens.
I'm not saying the V30 is bad. All 3 are good. I want the V30 to be as good as the Pixel, I REALLY DO! Because this phone feels awesome in my hand compared to the Pixel and has better features. I'm just telling you from the experience of using both that the Pixel is a better camera and MUCH FASTER shutter. V30 can have shutter lag at times. It did capture more detail in some photos than iPhone as well. So it would be a close tie for second with iPhone. The X and Pixel were just faster snapping (no shutter lag) the photos on a whole. Noticeably.
I'm hoping the Oreo update will improve a few things on the V30 making it my perfect phone. Fingers crossed.
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Bull****. Why do you do that, mate? Why do you so hate V30? Look at the picture of cat, V30 photo has tons more details than blurry smudgy stuff from P2XL. And helicopter is not relevant @ all, have you looked on what camera was it taken? Oh, yeah you took it on wide angle camera with F/1.9 but telling us that Pixel 2 XL captures more details in the dark, how funny.
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For more evidence check out this album as well. I'm sorry but the V30 is not on par with Pixel camera, especially in low light. Speaking in auto mode...not manual. Might get more even then but I rarely have time to manually adjust a scene.
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=eldxSWxuRlF5b2ZvN09hVFZHVDQ3Q3VUU2RxZUxR
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You are all bent out of shape for nothing. No bias here. I actually use the v30 as my daily phone. Pixel 2 XL sitting on my desk with no sim card in it because I like it more. (I use the Pixel on weekends when I'll be using the camera more). I took both wide angle and normal lens with each photo.(tried to). Now the cat did move in one shot causing blur which is normal and understandable at that shutter speed. I did not notice it until I was done and it was too late to reshoot. The helicopter was an oversight. I must've missed taking with regular lens.
I'm not saying the V30 is bad. All 3 are good. I want the V30 to be as good as the Pixel, I REALLY DO! Because this phone feels awesome in my hand compared to the Pixel and has better features. I'm just telling you from the experience of using both that the Pixel is a better camera and MUCH FASTER shutter. V30 can have shutter lag at times. It did capture more detail in some photos than iPhone as well. So it would be a close tie for second with iPhone. The X and Pixel were just faster snapping (no shutter lag) the photos on a whole. Noticeably.
I'm hoping the Oreo update will improve a few things on the V30 making it my perfect phone. Fingers crossed.
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For more evidence check out this album as well. I'm sorry but the V30 is not on par with Pixel camera, especially in low light. Speaking in auto mode...not manual. Might get more even then but I rarely have time to manually adjust a scene.
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=eldxSWxuRlF5b2ZvN09hVFZHVDQ3Q3VUU2RxZUxR
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Shutter lag is probably my biggest gripe with this camera. One thing I've noticed with the Pixel is that in dark images, there tends to be a lot more noise (such as in the picture of your round plant) than the V30. I see this also when using the camera port. The GCam will give me very noisy images in low light.
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I'm not saying the V30 is bad. All 3 are good. I want the V30 to be as good as the Pixel, I REALLY DO!
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But it is! People may think that V30 is bad based on the heli photo that's why I corrected and clarified that.
And, about shutter lag, do you use HDR in auto setting in V30 photo settings? It's well known for LG G4, V20, G6, V30 line up that when HDR is auto or ON and indoors scene it'll cause shutter to lag. Turn HDR off, that's all. It would provide even for better low light pix as well
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MUCH FASTER shutter. V30 can have shutter lag at times. It did capture more detail in some photos than iPhone as well. So it would be a close tie for second with iPhone. The X and Pixel were just faster snapping (no shutter lag) the photos on a whole. Noticeably.
I'm hoping the Oreo update will improve a few things on the V30 making it my perfect phone. Fingers crossed.
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Oreo has nothing to do with shutter lag, it's hardware based so no updates will never improve shutter speed of V30. If shutter lag a top priority issue you may just return V30 to LG and forget it. It's video phone mostly, not point-and-snap. The Pixel 2 XL and probably iPhones have all Zero Shutter Lag based on the fact that it's sensors have
integrated RAM buffer where photos are stacked constantly. And when you press shutter camera simply fetch for already made and stored in RAM picture. It's already there. It's simple as that (of course it's more complicated but the point is that). But LG phones or Samsung phones still don't have such ram buffers hence shutter lags
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You can easily tell which photos were taken with which camera. When I open in Chrome, the information is right there.
Click on the "i" in the upper right hand corner.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
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Another question, 20171104_154418 size is 2.8 Mb , 20171104_154159 size is 1.66Mb. May I ask what sizes are of them in V30 drive in reality or you just posted them to photos.google.com and deleted originals? Because 16 Mpix matrix can't produce just 2.8Mb under sunlight, it's not possible. Thing is V30 photos have Picasa named in it's programs, so when it was uploaded it simply was compressed by Picasa stripping of any details and fine lines.
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Another question, 20171104_154418 size is 2.8 Mb , 20171104_154159 size is 1.66Mb. May I ask what sizes are of them in V30 drive in reality or you just posted them to photos.google.com and deleted originals? Because 16 Mpix matrix can't produce just 2.8Mb under sunlight, it's not possible. Thing is V30 photos have Picasa named in it's programs, so when it was uploaded it simply was compressed by Picasa stripping of any details and fine lines.
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I've not altered them. That is the size backed up directly to google photos from the V30 (auto backup) unless Google must be doing some sort of compression. Size on the phone is 6.34mb. It would do that to all of them though, wouldn't it? iphone x too.