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I've owned Android devices prior the Nexus, and one thing that's always bothered me is that my Android could never run games as smoothly as the iPhone, while it has more power under the hood. I download Fruit Ninja and Scrambled on my Nexus and it seems to lag and stutters... are all games like this on the Nexus?
I would think it's because the game is not optimized for ICS yet. So you will get some lag and stuttering with those games.
What rom/kernel combo you running? On aokp & franco kernel, I play jelly defense, battle heart, scramble with friends, draw something, sprinkle, etc & have no lag...
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Temple Run is lagging when you play it for a while, same with many other 3D games....
AOKP + franco r135 512mhz GPU and I have no lag in games. Little Empire, Dead Space, Modern Combat 3, Legendary Heroes, Zenonia 4. I run those and more all lag free and atleast 50-60 fps at all times.
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AOKP + franco r135 512mhz GPU and I have no lag in games. Little Empire, Dead Space, Modern Combat 3, Legendary Heroes, Zenonia 4. I run those and more all lag free and atleast 50-60 fps at all times.
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You'r gpu is clocked almost twice as high
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ray3andrei said:
You'r gpu is clocked almost twice as high
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384 is the stock clock =/= 2x gpu clock. Even then it only makes a 5-6 fps differnece in most circumstances. Could have better results in different apps but nenamark i saw a 5-6 fps difference.
Temple Run is stuttering in Galaxy Nexus 4.0.4 stock
I really think it's just software optimizaitons that need to be done imo. I'm sure with time it'll get better. Cause I'm running Temple Run perfectly no lag/stutters.
I personally wouldn't play Fruit ninja as they were in news in hot water over passing on our details.
As for games on Galaxy Nexus, they run slower than SGS2 and I think that's simply the limitations of the graphics chip which is as old as the hills.
I use a GSM Galaxy Nexus, stock, no overclock, no frills, just rooted to use Titanium Backup, never had any lags in Fruit Ninja, runs fine... Temple Run, ocasionally will stutter, but it is rare and most of the time I just play 20, 30 times and no stutter at all... GTA III also plays fine.
Obviously it is not the best performer, and, as you probably now, there is the same iPhone 4 GPU under the hood of our devices, only that it got extra memory bandwidth and extra clock to perform better (and also a HD screen that will eat-up some of this extra performance)... But I believe, at least as far as my own experience goes, that it is a decent performer, altough there are better alternatives as far as gaming goes (and I would believe that probably HTC One X would be the best Android gaming phone alternative as far as graphic performance is concerned right now).
Baguett said:
Temple Run is lagging when you play it for a while, same with many other 3D games....
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I've played it long enough to unlock most characters, and all powerups maxed. Never lagged once.
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384 is the stock clock =/= 2x gpu clock. Even then it only makes a 5-6 fps differnece in most circumstances. Could have better results in different apps but nenamark i saw a 5-6 fps difference.
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Actually, 307mhz is because Google underclocked it, stock.
adrynalyne said:
I've played it long enough to unlock most characters, and all powerups maxed. Never lagged once.
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I have almost the same exact scenario, unlocked almost everything with no lag issues what so ever.
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384 is the stock clock =/= 2x gpu clock. Even then it only makes a 5-6 fps differnece in most circumstances. Could have better results in different apps but nenamark i saw a 5-6 fps difference.
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miketoasty said:
I have almost the same exact scenario, unlocked almost everything with no lag issues what so ever.
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It doesn´t lag, bit it run like at 25fps or so, not as smooth as 60fps (I am refering when there are many coins in the screen and you are running too fast)
How are you quantifying that it runs at 25fps? Is there a fps counter somewhere?
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Temple Run is lagging when you play it for a while, same with many other 3D games....
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nope, not for me. it runs even smoother than the version for the iphone .
maybe the gpu in the nexus is not the fastest one, maybe there are other phones that are much faster.... I DON'T CARE! i didn't bought my nexus to play games all day, i bought it to synchronize my calender, my notes, make calls and write sms and maybe some internet surfing.
you also all bought this phone, so why complain? it's like buying yourself a motorbike and then complaining about the fact that it only has 2 wheels.
Enabling Force GPU acceleration in the developer options under Settings might improve the performance of some games. Although it will might also make some games look weird.
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Enabling Force GPU acceleration in the developer options under Settings might improve the performance of some games. Although it will might also make some games look weird.
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Games are already GPU accelerated. You can't doubly accelerate them
i play gta iii, MC3, wind-up knight, shadow gun and fifa and no lag whatsoever
oh and drawsome too lol!
HTC One V can run casual games like Angry Birds,Temple Run etc smoothly,but what about HD Games? I've just played Dead Space on my HTC One V.What about other games like Shadowgun,GTA III?
anyone else tried these games??
Ofc its htc one ! Its htc 1. I also want diz cell but dad wont allw
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In my case GTA III freezes phone then reset. MW3 isn't even in market... I have sgs2 and I have to admit that 4.3" display is too small for gta/mw... imho ofc
>7" tablets are better
Shadowgun runs great on mine. The SOC is a good one for gaming. MC3 is oddly incompatible, probably an error on the part of Gameloft. I own GTA 3 but I haven't played it yet, when I give it a whirl I'll share my thoughts on its performance.
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I am facing slight lag issues while playing Temple Run on my HTC One V. Sometimes the game will lag and when you die the end screen just displays the score on a black background and no replay or menu button (though if you touch in the area where replay button should be it will take input). Once you encounter this issue where the end screen starts displaying score on a black screen, it will reoccur every time until you restart the device (Killing running apps using Task Manager does not help)
I've no problem with temple run but tap tap revenge 4 is killing me with the wrong res...
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HTC One V can run casual games like Angry Birds,Temple Run etc smoothly,but what about HD Games? I've just played Dead Space on my HTC One V.What about other games like Shadowgun,GTA III?
anyone else tried these games??
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Shadowgun runs smoothly in One v. But GTA III doesn't go that well!
Check out the video.
youtube.com/watch?v=QtvcMxtVW7s
TanmayP said:
HTC One V can run casual games like Angry Birds,Temple Run etc smoothly,but what about HD Games? I've just played Dead Space on my HTC One V.What about other games like Shadowgun,GTA III?
anyone else tried these games??
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yup gta 3 doesnt run but u can run games like mc3, shadow gun , dead trigger asphalt 7, mw 2012etc hd games run kinda smooth on one v:fingers-crossed:
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I am facing slight lag issues while playing Temple Run on my HTC One V. Sometimes the game will lag and when you die the end screen just displays the score on a black background and no replay or menu button (though if you touch in the area where replay button should be it will take input). Once you encounter this issue where the end screen starts displaying score on a black screen, it will reoccur every time until you restart the device (Killing running apps using Task Manager does not help)
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dude even i am facing the same problem.
Hyp3rion said:
I am facing slight lag issues while playing Temple Run on my HTC One V. Sometimes the game will lag and when you die the end screen just displays the score on a black background and no replay or menu button (though if you touch in the area where replay button should be it will take input). Once you encounter this issue where the end screen starts displaying score on a black screen, it will reoccur every time until you restart the device (Killing running apps using Task Manager does not help)
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Sometimes I get this problem too....
But I desensed the rom and it seems not to have this problem now.
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GTA lll,GTA vice city,Shadowgun,Need for speed most wanted,Deadtriger work great on mine
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Solution for some games
For gta iii you need to set the screen sleep timer to maximum (30 min in my case but I run costum rom) point is, when the game downloads the extra files it needs it's very important that the phone won't go into sleep mode. If it downloads only a part of the files it will, strangely, still run, but crash after a while
Hope that helps
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Overclock your phone and it helps with frames. Especially when using oblndemand or Lionheart governer. I reccomend 1.2ghz - 1.5ghz. Just be sure not to overheat it might run a little warm you just have to know when too hot is bad.
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guys i'm planning to buy this phone but the single core 1ghz is bugging me. is it able to run asphalt 6,7 and real racing etc smoothly?
with out over clocking because im not soo in to that due to fear of bricking. and over all is this phone better than sola as sola has a poor battery life? plz help me
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guys i'm planning to buy this phone but the single core 1ghz is bugging me. is it able to run asphalt 6,7 and real racing etc smoothly?
with out over clocking because im not soo in to that due to fear of bricking. and over all is this phone better than sola as sola has a poor battery life? plz help me
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if you root it u can almost play any game....but if u want to play safe then i suggest u buy the sola....its a good phone with dual core proccessor capable of playing any game
BTW asphalt 6 runs gr8 on the one v but i suggest buying the sola for more heavy performance games
In the end, its up to you
Almost all game are smooth but when I was choosing this fone I loved the screen DPI. I have used sola as well to but overall I say this fone is gr8 in screen battery backup and also sound quality in which sola sucks and Samsung also. And sola comes with 2.3.7 one v comes with 4.0 ics .
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Check on you tube shadow gun smooth but not sure about GTA and if you are going to buy it for games only you are not making a good choice I must say go for PSP dude!.
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Can Gangsta Rio be supported on HTC One V?
I have a problem with games "pausing" by themselves intermittently on certain games (Candy Crush Saga, Temple Run Oz, etc.) does any body know why?
Gta Vice city,MC2,MC3,Asphalt 5-6-7,Batman,Spider man,Mass Effect and many more awesome game works well on my htc onev.Oww It's a awesome device.
anyone have dl link for real racing? cant find it on the play store.
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Has anyone experienced slow DS emulation even with the 1.8 OC? I've been trying to run DSOID properly but my speed just sucks completely! I know its not the CPU since I get a 7000+ score on Quadrant, and its not the ROM. I'm using CleanROM which is stock. do you guys know what could be wrong with my setup?
What is you GPU clocked at? Also, you must remember that DSoid is still in development and you should only expect slowish speeds. Hopefully in the near future most games will be playable but not yet. Some games like Mario are very playable, so what game are you trying to play?
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What is you GPU clocked at? Also, you must remember that DSoid is still in development and you should only expect slowish speeds. Hopefully in the near future most games will be playable but not yet. Some games like Mario are very playable, so what game are you trying to play?
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My GPU is clocked at 650 with fsync disabled and ondemand governor. I tried playing Pokemon Diamond and New Super Mario Bros, but both games where super slow.
The emulation engine is still a WIP. Until the dev for the app works out the best native emulation setup, most games will more than likely run that way. As the person above ,e said, the app is in very early stages. Stick with him and see how it evolves over time.
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I can't get it to work at all. I load a rom and just get a white screen, even with the elite kernel.
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I can't get it to work at all. I load a rom and just get a white screen, even with the elite kernel.
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awerni said:
Has anyone experienced slow DS emulation even with the 1.8 OC? I've been trying to run DSOID properly but my speed just sucks completely! I know its not the CPU since I get a 7000+ score on Quadrant, and its not the ROM. I'm using CleanROM which is stock. do you guys know what could be wrong with my setup?
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Did you check out the app reviews? Slow for everybody right now, dsoid is a work in progress.
Dsoid is still very slow, I don't think that DS emulation will ever be up to par on the tablet market. I also doubt that Dsoid will be on the market for very long because it very clearly encourages piracy on a console that is still quite popular.
The Play store seems fine with emulators as long as you don't steal code. It's much more likely that the author will give up before making it playable. Still, I am very excited to see what DSoid can be.
I've played many high end Apps on my SGS2 for quite some time (IE:Shadow Gun, Modern Combat, etc) with no problem or lag whatsoever. But now a days it feels as if those same games feel rather laggy on my same phone. (Stock but rooted). I found Need For Speed Most Wanted to be rather fun but there are times where it lags very badly. Is this everyone? And if so.. How can I over clock but stay as stock as possible? A guide would be lovely. Thanks in advance
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I have a few lag issues (unnoticeable). Maybe trying running an AOSP ROM like CM10 or AOKP? Also you could try the h0tcakez kernel, which also has GPU Overclock. Also trying using the CPU rendering = GPU rendering mod which helps to free up the CPU.
The adreno 220 chip in these phones is already past its prime guys. Be thankful the games even play half as well as they do.
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Comments like the one above are just so pointless.. Go away .
It's true though, three GPU in or phone was nothing new when it went in in the first place... but is far from not being good enough to play these new games.
I have also been play NFS most wanted, but i have not had any of the slow Downs of lag your seeing. Granted i am on paranoid android with my CPU and GPU OC'd'... but my wife's sensation also plays it super smooth and i have her CPU undercloxked to help with battery same CPU and GPU...
The game shows incompatible on my SGH-T989 with kodoo stock 4.04 firmware.
can someone help me sort it out?
Where can I get NFS MW?
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Who is playing this game. I need some SP points in carrer mode. I have login to Orgin and I am looking for some friends: 1adamos
I think its time we start a dedicated gaming thread. Here we can discuss new game releases and how the run on OGP. Also, any issues with certain games.
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Maybe you should've started?
Here, I'll go first.
Modern Combat 4 - runs great, no issues. Smooth framerate, looks great. (Note: Originally, I got MC4 free with my MOGA Pocket; that version crashed on startup. Bought from the Play store for 99 cents on sale)
CSR Racing - Looks great, has stuttering problems at the start of a race. Don't have the issue on my Note II, so could be a Snapdragon issue or 1080p issue.
Dungeon Hunter 4 - No issues. Runs smooth, decent graphics, but simple character models.
Asphalt 8 - Max gfx, no perf issues. Smooth and beautiful. Typically of Gameloft, the environment textures and reflections are low quality vs the iOS release.
EPOCH - Unity engine. Great framerate, smooth gameplay. Textures and models are a little simplistic so the GPU load is light. No issues.
Galaxy on Fire 2 HD - Re-release of Galaxy on Fire THD for all devices. Looks better than the Tegra version at max gfx setting, plays better too. No issues that I can find.
Dead trigger. Smooth on highest grafics. No issues.
Real Racing 3 highest grafics smooth no issues.
The Dark knight rises. Runs smooth on highest details. No issues.
Horn. Runs smooth on highest details. No issues.
Shadow Gun. Runs smooth on highest grafics. No issues.
Shadow Gun Deadzone. Runs smooth on highest details.
So that's my 2 cents in G Pro gaming. And yes I know I love high detail looking games. All of them are pretty sharp looking games with high details.
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Real Racing 3 - plays very smooth no hiccups
Reaper: Tale of a pale swordsman - look very good, good long campaign, beautiful colors
Kingdom Rush Frontiers - Runs very smooth, very nice graphics, no stutters in mid of large battles (this game causes huge battery drain, initially CPU usage and CPU foreground time were same, maybe thy fix something in next update, I know games cause lot of battery drain but its very big to notice as compared to other games, just my 2 cents)
It's surprising to read that so many people can run games at 100% on this device. My experience with it is slightly disappointing. I've put in days running every ROM I can, testing performance per game with thermal throttling off and CPU running at maximum. In my experience:
Real Racing 3: Runs good while playing, but has some FPS stutter during race intros where the maximum amount of cars are shown on screen. Of course its terribly harsh on the eyes due to the resolution not running at a native 1920x1080. I found a workaround for this, but the game runs at a hardly playable framerate using the workaround. That's to be expected seeing as how the company was not expecting people to play the game at 1920x1080 on their android phones.
Blitz Brigade: Using optimal "not performance" graphics settings, some fps drops in outer areas of maps during online play, especially malta ruins.
Asphalt 8: Runs mostly smooth, but minor fps hiccups throughout. It can be especially noticeable in intros when the map name and map itself is panning. Paying close attention, those same hiccups happen during races, but it's hard to tell due to how fast the game is and the shaking camera. Turning CPU governer to performance (full speed) helps fix these tiny hiccups. They're not game breaking but they are there.
Crazy Taxi: Seems to run at a flat low FPS, not higher or lower. Not sure why. Feels like it runs at around 28fps the entire time.
Need for Speed Most Wanted: Fluid FPS inter-dispersed with game slowdowns.
Sine Mora: Had some bad FPS issues on release, but they've been mostly worked out in updates. There are still some FPS drops here and there.
The Room: Small FPS drops when spinning the camera at a high speed.
Modern Combat 4: Generally smooth but doesn't run at native resolution.
Most other games have run flawless for me, including: Asphalt 7, Dead Space, GTA 3 and GTA Vice City, Minecraft, Quake 14a, Quake 24a, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, Shadowgun: Deadzone, Dungeon Hunter 4, and Trackmania.
Not sure if I'm just picky with my gaming, my phone has hardware problems, or I'm expecting to much from a mobile device.
I just love Street Fighter IV HD running smooth on my OG Pro!
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My favs:
Angry Birds Star Wars 2 - run perfectly and fun.
Asphalt 8 - runs fluid on high and I believe in full native HD.
GTA Vice City - Lots of fun and runs perfect at highest resolution and 100% draw distance.
Minecraft PE - doesn't require to run at full. But looks so nice on our OG Pros.
Shadowgun: Dead zone - multiplayer epicness and runs perfectly.
Star Command - bought this on Humble Bundle for a dollar. Its top down RPG style game and just a blast to play.
Zombie Gunship - have been waiting for this one to hit the Android market for almost 2 years. A bit of lag when zombies explode, but other then that is runs great and loads of fun.
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Need for Speed Most Wanted: Fluid FPS inter-dispersed with game slowdowns.
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just curious how do u get NSF-MW. I can't download it from Play Store. it said my OGP is not compatible with this game. (even my previous HTC One S is compatible, what a shame?). have u sideloaded the game???
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just curious how do u get NSF-MW. I can't download it from Play Store. it said my OGP is not compatible with this game. (even my previous HTC One S is compatible, what a shame?). have u sideloaded the game???
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I bought it on my Nexus S and it showed up as incompatible on my OGP, so I sideloaded an APK from a public site. Since I have a license for it, I'm not sure if the APK was cracked or not.
All games should work on the OGP. If it shows up as incompatible, there's an xposed mod that fixes the problem. Just install xposed and check the modules section.
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Real Boxing and Soul Calibur
I have both games on mine as I like fighting games, smooth graphics and no ldg at all!
TURBOGAMECAT said:
It's surprising to read that so many people can run games at 100% on this device. My experience with it is slightly disappointing. I've put in days running every ROM I can, testing performance per game with thermal throttling off and CPU running at maximum. In my experience:
Real Racing 3: Runs good while playing, but has some FPS stutter during race intros where the maximum amount of cars are shown on screen. Of course its terribly harsh on the eyes due to the resolution not running at a native 1920x1080. I found a workaround for this, but the game runs at a hardly playable framerate using the workaround. That's to be expected seeing as how the company was not expecting people to play the game at 1920x1080 on their android phones.
Blitz Brigade: Using optimal "not performance" graphics settings, some fps drops in outer areas of maps during online play, especially malta ruins.
Asphalt 8: Runs mostly smooth, but minor fps hiccups throughout. It can be especially noticeable in intros when the map name and map itself is panning. Paying close attention, those same hiccups happen during races, but it's hard to tell due to how fast the game is and the shaking camera. Turning CPU governer to performance (full speed) helps fix these tiny hiccups. They're not game breaking but they are there.
Crazy Taxi: Seems to run at a flat low FPS, not higher or lower. Not sure why. Feels like it runs at around 28fps the entire time.
Need for Speed Most Wanted: Fluid FPS inter-dispersed with game slowdowns.
Sine Mora: Had some bad FPS issues on release, but they've been mostly worked out in updates. There are still some FPS drops here and there.
The Room: Small FPS drops when spinning the camera at a high speed.
Modern Combat 4: Generally smooth but doesn't run at native resolution.
Most other games have run flawless for me, including: Asphalt 7, Dead Space, GTA 3 and GTA Vice City, Minecraft, Quake 14a, Quake 24a, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, Shadowgun: Deadzone, Dungeon Hunter 4, and Trackmania.
Not sure if I'm just picky with my gaming, my phone has hardware problems, or I'm expecting to much from a mobile device.
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I agree, most of the aforementioned games don't run so smooth. I'm on stock unrooted e988 taiwanese. Core management on.
raduque said:
Maybe you should've started?
Here, I'll go first.
Modern Combat 4 - runs great, no issues. Smooth framerate, looks great. (Note: Originally, I got MC4 free with my MOGA Pocket; that version crashed on startup. Bought from the Play store for 99 cents on sale)
CSR Racing - Looks great, has stuttering problems at the start of a race. Don't have the issue on my Note II, so could be a Snapdragon issue or 1080p issue.
Dungeon Hunter 4 - No issues. Runs smooth, decent graphics, but simple character models.
Asphalt 8 - Max gfx, no perf issues. Smooth and beautiful. Typically of Gameloft, the environment textures and reflections are low quality vs the iOS release.
EPOCH - Unity engine. Great framerate, smooth gameplay. Textures and models are a little simplistic so the GPU load is light. No issues.
Galaxy on Fire 2 HD - Re-release of Galaxy on Fire THD for all devices. Looks better than the Tegra version at max gfx setting, plays better too. No issues that I can find.
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i found a graphic error on Galaxy on Fire 2 HD. everytime i use cloaking or encounter a ship that uses cloaking, the screen goes black. leaving the sensors/buttons on the screen. i am using stock ROM
Dead Space, NFS Shift, Riptide2, NOVA3!
Flashed E988 v5 rom on my F240L, above games run more smoother than on stock rom!
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I agree, most of the aforementioned games don't run so smooth. I'm on stock unrooted e988 taiwanese. Core management on.
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Core management reduces the CPU to 1.1GHz and limits it to 2 out of the 4 cores.
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i found a graphic error on Galaxy on Fire 2 HD. everytime i use cloaking or encounter a ship that uses cloaking, the screen goes black. leaving the sensors/buttons on the screen. i am using stock ROM
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Try using xposed with app settings and change the DPI to 240 or lower.
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Neroga said:
Core management reduces the CPU to 1.1GHz and limits it to 2 out of the 4 cores.
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is this really whats happening if i enable core management?
i thought it would just disable cores if they are not needed.. then uses all 4 cores under heavy use..
guafawe said:
is this really whats happening if i enable core management?
i thought it would just disable cores if they are not needed.. then uses all 4 cores under heavy use..
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Yep yep. Less cores = less battery drain. If you're gonna do some gaming, turn it off. Much better performance that way.
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Neroga said:
Core management reduces the CPU to 1.1GHz and limits it to 2 out of the 4 cores.
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I dont think this is true.
I've turned on Quad Core Control, but all cores can still run when needed. System Monitor can shows this.
CPU Spy indicates that my phone still able to run at 1,7GHz, but mostly it runs at 1,1GHz.
Asphalt 8? it runs flawless in my g-pro.
running cm11.
asphalt 8 and iron man 3 both run very smooth. CSR racing has issues have to clear data to get it to load but then runs fine.
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